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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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Well that’s a depressing read
Add to that list customs procedures are still to be resolved too.
I really don’t think people understand how much of a pain in the arse this is going to be.
It’s the stuff you take for granted that’s going to make you think what the fuck have we done.
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"Well that’s a depressing read
Add to that list customs procedures are still to be resolved too.
I really don’t think people understand how much of a pain in the arse this is going to be.
It’s the stuff you take for granted that’s going to make you think what the fuck have we done.
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Why is it going to be a pain? The trade we do with the rest of the world is already like this so is non EU travel.
The only real negative is going to be cheep labour for low end jobs will stop which will mean wages will have to rise to attract people is that bad? |
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over a year ago
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"Well that’s a depressing read
Add to that list customs procedures are still to be resolved too.
I really don’t think people understand how much of a pain in the arse this is going to be.
It’s the stuff you take for granted that’s going to make you think what the fuck have we done.
Why is it going to be a pain? The trade we do with the rest of the world is already like this so is non EU travel.
The only real negative is going to be cheep labour for low end jobs will stop which will mean wages will have to rise to attract people is that bad? "
The trade we do with the rest of the world is much more bureaucratic. That's why it's a pain in the arse and an extra expenses.
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"Well that’s a depressing read
Add to that list customs procedures are still to be resolved too.
I really don’t think people understand how much of a pain in the arse this is going to be.
It’s the stuff you take for granted that’s going to make you think what the fuck have we done.
Why is it going to be a pain? The trade we do with the rest of the world is already like this so is non EU travel.
The only real negative is going to be cheep labour for low end jobs will stop which will mean wages will have to rise to attract people is that bad?
The trade we do with the rest of the world is much more bureaucratic. That's why it's a pain in the arse and an extra expenses.
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Some of it is but not all. We deal with Eu and non EU suppliers and with the EU there are already lots of compliance you need to provide all it will do is add customs declarations. On the positive we will have more access to India and other countries. There will be positives and negatives granted it will mean kids coming out of school who desperately want to work and many do will have more of a chance at entry level jobs it might even reduce the youth unemployment figures. |
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over a year ago
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"Well that’s a depressing read
Add to that list customs procedures are still to be resolved too.
I really don’t think people understand how much of a pain in the arse this is going to be.
It’s the stuff you take for granted that’s going to make you think what the fuck have we done.
Why is it going to be a pain? The trade we do with the rest of the world is already like this so is non EU travel.
The only real negative is going to be cheep labour for low end jobs will stop which will mean wages will have to rise to attract people is that bad?
The trade we do with the rest of the world is much more bureaucratic. That's why it's a pain in the arse and an extra expenses.
Some of it is but not all. We deal with Eu and non EU suppliers and with the EU there are already lots of compliance you need to provide all it will do is add customs declarations. On the positive we will have more access to India and other countries. There will be positives and negatives granted it will mean kids coming out of school who desperately want to work and many do will have more of a chance at entry level jobs it might even reduce the youth unemployment figures. "
The compliance is there for a reason though. It's not just arbitrary. And presumably we will still have to comply with the EU standards regardless.
I can see the downside. But I don't see where there are any savings or improvements. |
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"Well that’s a depressing read
Add to that list customs procedures are still to be resolved too.
I really don’t think people understand how much of a pain in the arse this is going to be.
It’s the stuff you take for granted that’s going to make you think what the fuck have we done.
Why is it going to be a pain? The trade we do with the rest of the world is already like this so is non EU travel.
The only real negative is going to be cheep labour for low end jobs will stop which will mean wages will have to rise to attract people is that bad?
The trade we do with the rest of the world is much more bureaucratic. That's why it's a pain in the arse and an extra expenses.
Some of it is but not all. We deal with Eu and non EU suppliers and with the EU there are already lots of compliance you need to provide all it will do is add customs declarations. On the positive we will have more access to India and other countries. There will be positives and negatives granted it will mean kids coming out of school who desperately want to work and many do will have more of a chance at entry level jobs it might even reduce the youth unemployment figures.
The compliance is there for a reason though. It's not just arbitrary. And presumably we will still have to comply with the EU standards regardless.
I can see the downside. But I don't see where there are any savings or improvements."
There is a load of paperwork not so people comply with regulations and there will be after brexit just the same. Savings wise well there will be some but its more the ability to access other markets with more freedom. Remainders don't want to see any positives in leaving, leavers see staying in the EU zone as restrictive the reality is there will be advantages to both and if you can't see how it will improve the chances of employment in more basic jobs for UK citizens then you are a little blinkered. I just hope it pushes wages up for the low paid. |
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
Unemployment hardly existed in 2016. We had the lowest unemployment rate in the EU if I remember well. People who wanted to work could find a job.
Unemployment is going up and it won’t return to the level it was in 2016 for a very long time in my opinion. Thinking that salaries for those who earn low wages will go up if for those is also for those who are blinkered. Have you a timescale on this?
If the gvt really wanted to improve the fate of the low earners, it would go after the Amazon, Google etc of this world and make them pay more tax, enabling those who earn little not to pay any ot less than they currently do.
Of course we are going to be told that COvid has changed everything. How convenient.... |
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over a year ago
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"Well that’s a depressing read
Add to that list customs procedures are still to be resolved too.
I really don’t think people understand how much of a pain in the arse this is going to be.
It’s the stuff you take for granted that’s going to make you think what the fuck have we done.
Why is it going to be a pain? The trade we do with the rest of the world is already like this so is non EU travel.
The only real negative is going to be cheep labour for low end jobs will stop which will mean wages will have to rise to attract people is that bad?
The trade we do with the rest of the world is much more bureaucratic. That's why it's a pain in the arse and an extra expenses.
Some of it is but not all. We deal with Eu and non EU suppliers and with the EU there are already lots of compliance you need to provide all it will do is add customs declarations. On the positive we will have more access to India and other countries. There will be positives and negatives granted it will mean kids coming out of school who desperately want to work and many do will have more of a chance at entry level jobs it might even reduce the youth unemployment figures.
The compliance is there for a reason though. It's not just arbitrary. And presumably we will still have to comply with the EU standards regardless.
I can see the downside. But I don't see where there are any savings or improvements.
There is a load of paperwork not so people comply with regulations and there will be after brexit just the same. Savings wise well there will be some but its more the ability to access other markets with more freedom. Remainders don't want to see any positives in leaving, leavers see staying in the EU zone as restrictive the reality is there will be advantages to both and if you can't see how it will improve the chances of employment in more basic jobs for UK citizens then you are a little blinkered. I just hope it pushes wages up for the low paid. "
I mean we all hope it's going to work out. But there isn't much to suggest it's going to be a positive.
There's going to have to be some epic wins to make up for the damage already done though.
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"Well that’s a depressing read
Add to that list customs procedures are still to be resolved too.
I really don’t think people understand how much of a pain in the arse this is going to be.
It’s the stuff you take for granted that’s going to make you think what the fuck have we done.
Why is it going to be a pain? The trade we do with the rest of the world is already like this so is non EU travel.
The only real negative is going to be cheep labour for low end jobs will stop which will mean wages will have to rise to attract people is that bad?
The trade we do with the rest of the world is much more bureaucratic. That's why it's a pain in the arse and an extra expenses.
Some of it is but not all. We deal with Eu and non EU suppliers and with the EU there are already lots of compliance you need to provide all it will do is add customs declarations. On the positive we will have more access to India and other countries. There will be positives and negatives granted it will mean kids coming out of school who desperately want to work and many do will have more of a chance at entry level jobs it might even reduce the youth unemployment figures.
The compliance is there for a reason though. It's not just arbitrary. And presumably we will still have to comply with the EU standards regardless.
I can see the downside. But I don't see where there are any savings or improvements.
There is a load of paperwork not so people comply with regulations and there will be after brexit just the same. Savings wise well there will be some but its more the ability to access other markets with more freedom. Remainders don't want to see any positives in leaving, leavers see staying in the EU zone as restrictive the reality is there will be advantages to both and if you can't see how it will improve the chances of employment in more basic jobs for UK citizens then you are a little blinkered. I just hope it pushes wages up for the low paid.
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What markets are you restricted from reaching today, that Brexit will "open up" for you?
Being nosey, what industry are you in?
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-54195827 "
nothing in this that we didn't already know, and the points listed are hardly life changing events that prevent the majority of people in their day to day lives.
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"Well that’s a depressing read
Add to that list customs procedures are still to be resolved too.
I really don’t think people understand how much of a pain in the arse this is going to be.
It’s the stuff you take for granted that’s going to make you think what the fuck have we done.
"
all change is a pain in tne arse doesn’t mean we stand still |
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"Unemployment hardly existed in 2016. We had the lowest unemployment rate in the EU if I remember well. People who wanted to work could find a job.
Unemployment is going up and it won’t return to the level it was in 2016 for a very long time in my opinion. Thinking that salaries for those who earn low wages will go up if for those is also for those who are blinkered. Have you a timescale on this?
If the gvt really wanted to improve the fate of the low earners, it would go after the Amazon, Google etc of this world and make them pay more tax, enabling those who earn little not to pay any ot less than they currently do.
Of course we are going to be told that COvid has changed everything. How convenient...."
ye I’m sure COVID is very convenient mate ffs |
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over a year ago
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-54195827
nothing in this that we didn't already know, and the points listed are hardly life changing events that prevent the majority of people in their day to day lives.
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These, among other things, were once labelled "project fear" as if there would be no downside to Brexit.
I guess the point is, for most people, the best case scenario for brexit is slightly poorer, slightly more hassle going on holiday, and more bureaucracy. |
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-54195827
nothing in this that we didn't already know, and the points listed are hardly life changing events that prevent the majority of people in their day to day lives.
These, among other things, were once labelled "project fear" as if there would be no downside to Brexit.
I guess the point is, for most people, the best case scenario for brexit is slightly poorer, slightly more hassle going on holiday, and more bureaucracy."
howay mate what about the planes will be grounded troops on the streets shortages of medicines and food if you have a job I can’t see how you will be slightly poorer |
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-54195827
nothing in this that we didn't already know, and the points listed are hardly life changing events that prevent the majority of people in their day to day lives.
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It must be fun for the Brits who’ve retired in France or Spain. I’m sure they appreciate the hassle in terms of practicalities. And that’s with their pension paid in pounds havImg already slumped by 20% once it has reached their account in the EU country of their choice. |
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"Well that’s a depressing read
Add to that list customs procedures are still to be resolved too.
I really don’t think people understand how much of a pain in the arse this is going to be.
It’s the stuff you take for granted that’s going to make you think what the fuck have we done.
Why is it going to be a pain? The trade we do with the rest of the world is already like this so is non EU travel.
The only real negative is going to be cheep labour for low end jobs will stop which will mean wages will have to rise to attract people is that bad?
The trade we do with the rest of the world is much more bureaucratic. That's why it's a pain in the arse and an extra expenses.
Some of it is but not all. We deal with Eu and non EU suppliers and with the EU there are already lots of compliance you need to provide all it will do is add customs declarations. On the positive we will have more access to India and other countries. There will be positives and negatives granted it will mean kids coming out of school who desperately want to work and many do will have more of a chance at entry level jobs it might even reduce the youth unemployment figures.
The compliance is there for a reason though. It's not just arbitrary. And presumably we will still have to comply with the EU standards regardless.
I can see the downside. But I don't see where there are any savings or improvements.
There is a load of paperwork not so people comply with regulations and there will be after brexit just the same. Savings wise well there will be some but its more the ability to access other markets with more freedom. Remainders don't want to see any positives in leaving, leavers see staying in the EU zone as restrictive the reality is there will be advantages to both and if you can't see how it will improve the chances of employment in more basic jobs for UK citizens then you are a little blinkered. I just hope it pushes wages up for the low paid. "
Your patronising remark fails to recognize that remainers have been asking for tangible evidence of brexit benefits for 4 years and haven't seen any.
Most of the trade we do with other countries outside the EU is governed by agreement made by the EU which we won't have from January.
But as we all know, Brexit means Brexit
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-54195827
nothing in this that we didn't already know, and the points listed are hardly life changing events that prevent the majority of people in their day to day lives.
These, among other things, were once labelled "project fear" as if there would be no downside to Brexit.
I guess the point is, for most people, the best case scenario for brexit is slightly poorer, slightly more hassle going on holiday, and more bureaucracy. howay mate what about the planes will be grounded troops on the streets shortages of medicines and food if you have a job I can’t see how you will be slightly poorer "
For that we will see very soon. It’s too early to tell if therevwill be issues with medicines, food etc...and it will depend on the deal / no deal outcome. I mean we know that this gvt is expert when it comes to organise new systems, logistics etc... so why should we worry. I can’t quite trust that this bunch that can’t sort out gowns or gloves for our nurses are going to get this right but time will tell. Anyway, if it doesn’t go well, I am certain that brexiters will still find a way to explain or defend them.
For those who often travel on the M20 you can’t have failed to notice that for the past two years, it’s been roadworks after roadworks. Something tells me that they are not expecting thing to go plain sailing.
Wait and see. It’s just around the corner. |
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-54195827
nothing in this that we didn't already know, and the points listed are hardly life changing events that prevent the majority of people in their day to day lives.
It must be fun for the Brits who’ve retired in France or Spain. I’m sure they appreciate the hassle in terms of practicalities. And that’s with their pension paid in pounds havImg already slumped by 20% once it has reached their account in the EU country of their choice."
I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper  |
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-54195827
nothing in this that we didn't already know, and the points listed are hardly life changing events that prevent the majority of people in their day to day lives.
It must be fun for the Brits who’ve retired in France or Spain. I’m sure they appreciate the hassle in terms of practicalities. And that’s with their pension paid in pounds havImg already slumped by 20% once it has reached their account in the EU country of their choice.
I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper "
The pound fell by 20% on the day of the referendum and it has never recovered since, it has been roughly at the same level since. Who cares about how much you save on the return journey when your holidays - accommodation, restaurants etc - have cost you 20% more. Another first class argument.  |
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-54195827
nothing in this that we didn't already know, and the points listed are hardly life changing events that prevent the majority of people in their day to day lives.
It must be fun for the Brits who’ve retired in France or Spain. I’m sure they appreciate the hassle in terms of practicalities. And that’s with their pension paid in pounds havImg already slumped by 20% once it has reached their account in the EU country of their choice.
I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
The pound fell by 20% on the day of the referendum and it has never recovered since, it has been roughly at the same level since. Who cares about how much you save on the return journey when your holidays - accommodation, restaurants etc - have cost you 20% more. Another first class argument. "
aw I’ll be ok then I only go all inclusive lol |
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-54195827
nothing in this that we didn't already know, and the points listed are hardly life changing events that prevent the majority of people in their day to day lives.
It must be fun for the Brits who’ve retired in France or Spain. I’m sure they appreciate the hassle in terms of practicalities. And that’s with their pension paid in pounds havImg already slumped by 20% once it has reached their account in the EU country of their choice.
I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
The pound fell by 20% on the day of the referendum and it has never recovered since, it has been roughly at the same level since. Who cares about how much you save on the return journey when your holidays - accommodation, restaurants etc - have cost you 20% more. Another first class argument. "
What you're saying is, ignorance won't protect people from the effects of Brexit!
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-54195827
nothing in this that we didn't already know, and the points listed are hardly life changing events that prevent the majority of people in their day to day lives.
It must be fun for the Brits who’ve retired in France or Spain. I’m sure they appreciate the hassle in terms of practicalities. And that’s with their pension paid in pounds havImg already slumped by 20% once it has reached their account in the EU country of their choice.
I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
The pound fell by 20% on the day of the referendum and it has never recovered since, it has been roughly at the same level since. Who cares about how much you save on the return journey when your holidays - accommodation, restaurants etc - have cost you 20% more. Another first class argument. aw I’ll be ok then I only go all inclusive lol"
Make sure that also includes petrol and motorway tolls. |
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I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper "
What a super brexit benefit !!!
It's cheaper for people living in the EU to come to the uk. But more expensive to live in the uk or go to Europe
I think I've heard it all now  |
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I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
What a super brexit benefit !!!
It's cheaper for people living in the EU to come to the uk. But more expensive to live in the uk or go to Europe
I think I've heard it all now "
What? |
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-54195827
nothing in this that we didn't already know, and the points listed are hardly life changing events that prevent the majority of people in their day to day lives.
It must be fun for the Brits who’ve retired in France or Spain. I’m sure they appreciate the hassle in terms of practicalities. And that’s with their pension paid in pounds havImg already slumped by 20% once it has reached their account in the EU country of their choice.
I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
The pound fell by 20% on the day of the referendum and it has never recovered since, it has been roughly at the same level since. Who cares about how much you save on the return journey when your holidays - accommodation, restaurants etc - have cost you 20% more. Another first class argument. "
And also looking on the bright side, I will get more in pound notes if I sell my apartment in Spain now than I would have done in 2016  |
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
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I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
What a super brexit benefit !!!
It's cheaper for people living in the EU to come to the uk. But more expensive to live in the uk or go to Europe
I think I've heard it all now "
Well he knows a lot of people in Spain you know ( probably people he has made up like everything he says) .
The ones I know in France are all really pissed off with brexit. Some of them even had to sell their property because their income has gone down by 20% so they found it difficult to make ends meet.
It’s fine they will come back to the UK where house prices have gone up so much that they are also priced out of the market.
What’s not to like. Don’t tell these people you’ve voted brexit if you don’t want to be punched in the face.
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By *exy7 OP Man
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Bristol |
"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-54195827
nothing in this that we didn't already know, and the points listed are hardly life changing events that prevent the majority of people in their day to day lives.
It must be fun for the Brits who’ve retired in France or Spain. I’m sure they appreciate the hassle in terms of practicalities. And that’s with their pension paid in pounds havImg already slumped by 20% once it has reached their account in the EU country of their choice.
I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
The pound fell by 20% on the day of the referendum and it has never recovered since, it has been roughly at the same level since. Who cares about how much you save on the return journey when your holidays - accommodation, restaurants etc - have cost you 20% more. Another first class argument.
And also looking on the bright side, I will get more in pound notes if I sell my apartment in Spain now than I would have done in 2016 "
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I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
What a super brexit benefit !!!
It's cheaper for people living in the EU to come to the uk. But more expensive to live in the uk or go to Europe
I think I've heard it all now
Well he knows a lot of people in Spain you know ( probably people he has made up like everything he says) .
The ones I know in France are all really pissed off with brexit. Some of them even had to sell their property because their income has gone down by 20% so they found it difficult to make ends meet.
It’s fine they will come back to the UK where house prices have gone up so much that they are also priced out of the market.
What’s not to like. Don’t tell these people you’ve voted brexit if you don’t want to be punched in the face.
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are you sure you don’t make shit up sexy for someone who travels all over Asia and Europe and has friends in all them country’s you spend alot of time in blighty moaning about brexit surely one of them will put up up on the sofa for a few decades |
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I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
What a super brexit benefit !!!
It's cheaper for people living in the EU to come to the uk. But more expensive to live in the uk or go to Europe
I think I've heard it all now
Well he knows a lot of people in Spain you know ( probably people he has made up like everything he says) .
The ones I know in France are all really pissed off with brexit. Some of them even had to sell their property because their income has gone down by 20% so they found it difficult to make ends meet.
It’s fine they will come back to the UK where house prices have gone up so much that they are also priced out of the market.
What’s not to like. Don’t tell these people you’ve voted brexit if you don’t want to be punched in the face.
are you sure you don’t make shit up sexy for someone who travels all over Asia and Europe and has friends in all them country’s you spend alot of time in blighty moaning about brexit surely one of them will put up up on the sofa for a few decades "
sorry typo ment weeks lol |
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
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I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
What a super brexit benefit !!!
It's cheaper for people living in the EU to come to the uk. But more expensive to live in the uk or go to Europe
I think I've heard it all now
Well he knows a lot of people in Spain you know ( probably people he has made up like everything he says) .
The ones I know in France are all really pissed off with brexit. Some of them even had to sell their property because their income has gone down by 20% so they found it difficult to make ends meet.
It’s fine they will come back to the UK where house prices have gone up so much that they are also priced out of the market.
What’s not to like. Don’t tell these people you’ve voted brexit if you don’t want to be punched in the face.
are you sure you don’t make shit up sexy for someone who travels all over Asia and Europe and has friends in all them country’s you spend alot of time in blighty moaning about brexit surely one of them will put up up on the sofa for a few decades "
Why would I make this up. Google it. Have a look at expats’ forum. You’ll see plenty of these stories. As for travelling in Asia, I’m not sure where you read this but I’ve already told you that I never go there. You must he mistaken. Europe, yes. Never been to Asia in my life. |
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I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
What a super brexit benefit !!!
It's cheaper for people living in the EU to come to the uk. But more expensive to live in the uk or go to Europe
I think I've heard it all now
Well he knows a lot of people in Spain you know ( probably people he has made up like everything he says) .
The ones I know in France are all really pissed off with brexit. Some of them even had to sell their property because their income has gone down by 20% so they found it difficult to make ends meet.
It’s fine they will come back to the UK where house prices have gone up so much that they are also priced out of the market.
What’s not to like. Don’t tell these people you’ve voted brexit if you don’t want to be punched in the face.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-54195827
nothing in this that we didn't already know, and the points listed are hardly life changing events that prevent the majority of people in their day to day lives.
It must be fun for the Brits who’ve retired in France or Spain. I’m sure they appreciate the hassle in terms of practicalities. And that’s with their pension paid in pounds havImg already slumped by 20% once it has reached their account in the EU country of their choice.
I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
The pound fell by 20% on the day of the referendum and it has never recovered since, it has been roughly at the same level since. Who cares about how much you save on the return journey when your holidays - accommodation, restaurants etc - have cost you 20% more. Another first class argument.
And also looking on the bright side, I will get more in pound notes if I sell my apartment in Spain now than I would have done in 2016 "
exactly i bought my place in spain at 1.5 to the pound and sold at 1.1 a nice exchange rate prifit. |
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
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I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
What a super brexit benefit !!!
It's cheaper for people living in the EU to come to the uk. But more expensive to live in the uk or go to Europe
I think I've heard it all now
Well he knows a lot of people in Spain you know ( probably people he has made up like everything he says) .
The ones I know in France are all really pissed off with brexit. Some of them even had to sell their property because their income has gone down by 20% so they found it difficult to make ends meet.
It’s fine they will come back to the UK where house prices have gone up so much that they are also priced out of the market.
What’s not to like. Don’t tell these people you’ve voted brexit if you don’t want to be punched in the face.
You know that 28% of ex pats supported brexit don't you? "
You know that’s 72% who didn’t. That’s a close call isn’t it... |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Well that’s a depressing read
Add to that list customs procedures are still to be resolved too.
I really don’t think people understand how much of a pain in the arse this is going to be.
It’s the stuff you take for granted that’s going to make you think what the fuck have we done.
Why is it going to be a pain? The trade we do with the rest of the world is already like this so is non EU travel.
The only real negative is going to be cheep labour for low end jobs will stop which will mean wages will have to rise to attract people is that bad? "
We do 44% of our trade with the EU and the travel is mostly within 4 hours on a plane from one side to the other . However if we trade with the Far East or America as everyone keep saying will save us. That’s a lot more time along with expensive travel and shipping costs.
Being able to drive through such a massive market is a bonus when we trade so much business so close to home. However now I need extra insurance and a driving permit for each country insisting on one. Also an international drivers permit if I want to drive abroad. Remember that when you hire a car on holiday. Then of course there’s the the visa I need to work on my one or two day trip. They can all have their own rules if no deal on top of this growing list. So it’s a major hassle.
Think you will find if they don’t fill those cheap labour jobs in the factories the jobs will move. They have to stay competitive with the world markets. Especially If as you all say the world markets are our future. Far East average wage are much lower. America have limited workers rights so they just work for whatever’s on offer. Yes some states have a minimum wage but it’s low enough not to bother an employer.
Government said they are working on a replacement for the health insurance card. Wanna bet it’s not got the same cover and your private insurance will have to make up the difference.
If our government wanted the same deal we would have signed up by now it’s that easy,
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I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
What a super brexit benefit !!!
It's cheaper for people living in the EU to come to the uk. But more expensive to live in the uk or go to Europe
I think I've heard it all now
Well he knows a lot of people in Spain you know ( probably people he has made up like everything he says) .
The ones I know in France are all really pissed off with brexit. Some of them even had to sell their property because their income has gone down by 20% so they found it difficult to make ends meet.
It’s fine they will come back to the UK where house prices have gone up so much that they are also priced out of the market.
What’s not to like. Don’t tell these people you’ve voted brexit if you don’t want to be punched in the face.
are you sure you don’t make shit up sexy for someone who travels all over Asia and Europe and has friends in all them country’s you spend alot of time in blighty moaning about brexit surely one of them will put up up on the sofa for a few decades
Why would I make this up. Google it. Have a look at expats’ forum. You’ll see plenty of these stories. As for travelling in Asia, I’m not sure where you read this but I’ve already told you that I never go there. You must he mistaken. Europe, yes. Never been to Asia in my life. "
you did it was when you were slagging of ppl who go to Benidorm and the costas you said you prefer Asia Europe places of culture that’s why you weren’t keen on the US you said you where well traveled bud |
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
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I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
What a super brexit benefit !!!
It's cheaper for people living in the EU to come to the uk. But more expensive to live in the uk or go to Europe
I think I've heard it all now
Well he knows a lot of people in Spain you know ( probably people he has made up like everything he says) .
The ones I know in France are all really pissed off with brexit. Some of them even had to sell their property because their income has gone down by 20% so they found it difficult to make ends meet.
It’s fine they will come back to the UK where house prices have gone up so much that they are also priced out of the market.
What’s not to like. Don’t tell these people you’ve voted brexit if you don’t want to be punched in the face.
are you sure you don’t make shit up sexy for someone who travels all over Asia and Europe and has friends in all them country’s you spend alot of time in blighty moaning about brexit surely one of them will put up up on the sofa for a few decades
Why would I make this up. Google it. Have a look at expats’ forum. You’ll see plenty of these stories. As for travelling in Asia, I’m not sure where you read this but I’ve already told you that I never go there. You must he mistaken. Europe, yes. Never been to Asia in my life. you did it was when you were slagging of ppl who go to Benidorm and the costas you said you prefer Asia Europe places of culture that’s why you weren’t keen on the US you said you where well traveled bud "
I’ve mentioned ....Austria. Please, please don’t tell me you think it’s Asia. |
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-54195827
nothing in this that we didn't already know, and the points listed are hardly life changing events that prevent the majority of people in their day to day lives.
It must be fun for the Brits who’ve retired in France or Spain. I’m sure they appreciate the hassle in terms of practicalities. And that’s with their pension paid in pounds havImg already slumped by 20% once it has reached their account in the EU country of their choice.
I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
The pound fell by 20% on the day of the referendum and it has never recovered since, it has been roughly at the same level since. Who cares about how much you save on the return journey when your holidays - accommodation, restaurants etc - have cost you 20% more. Another first class argument.
And also looking on the bright side, I will get more in pound notes if I sell my apartment in Spain now than I would have done in 2016 exactly i bought my place in spain at 1.5 to the pound and sold at 1.1 a nice exchange rate prifit. "
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Well that’s a depressing read
Add to that list customs procedures are still to be resolved too.
I really don’t think people understand how much of a pain in the arse this is going to be.
It’s the stuff you take for granted that’s going to make you think what the fuck have we done.
Why is it going to be a pain? The trade we do with the rest of the world is already like this so is non EU travel.
The only real negative is going to be cheep labour for low end jobs will stop which will mean wages will have to rise to attract people is that bad?
We do 44% of our trade with the EU and the travel is mostly within 4 hours on a plane from one side to the other . However if we trade with the Far East or America as everyone keep saying will save us. That’s a lot more time along with expensive travel and shipping costs.
Being able to drive through such a massive market is a bonus when we trade so much business so close to home. However now I need extra insurance and a driving permit for each country insisting on one. Also an international drivers permit if I want to drive abroad. Remember that when you hire a car on holiday. Then of course there’s the the visa I need to work on my one or two day trip. They can all have their own rules if no deal on top of this growing list. So it’s a major hassle.
Think you will find if they don’t fill those cheap labour jobs in the factories the jobs will move. They have to stay competitive with the world markets. Especially If as you all say the world markets are our future. Far East average wage are much lower. America have limited workers rights so they just work for whatever’s on offer. Yes some states have a minimum wage but it’s low enough not to bother an employer.
Government said they are working on a replacement for the health insurance card. Wanna bet it’s not got the same cover and your private insurance will have to make up the difference.
If our government wanted the same deal we would have signed up by now it’s that easy,
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I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
What a super brexit benefit !!!
It's cheaper for people living in the EU to come to the uk. But more expensive to live in the uk or go to Europe
I think I've heard it all now
Well he knows a lot of people in Spain you know ( probably people he has made up like everything he says) .
The ones I know in France are all really pissed off with brexit. Some of them even had to sell their property because their income has gone down by 20% so they found it difficult to make ends meet.
It’s fine they will come back to the UK where house prices have gone up so much that they are also priced out of the market.
What’s not to like. Don’t tell these people you’ve voted brexit if you don’t want to be punched in the face.
are you sure you don’t make shit up sexy for someone who travels all over Asia and Europe and has friends in all them country’s you spend alot of time in blighty moaning about brexit surely one of them will put up up on the sofa for a few decades
Why would I make this up. Google it. Have a look at expats’ forum. You’ll see plenty of these stories. As for travelling in Asia, I’m not sure where you read this but I’ve already told you that I never go there. You must he mistaken. Europe, yes. Never been to Asia in my life. you did it was when you were slagging of ppl who go to Benidorm and the costas you said you prefer Asia Europe places of culture that’s why you weren’t keen on the US you said you where well traveled bud
I’ve mentioned ....Austria. Please, please don’t tell me you think it’s Asia. "
pmsl I know ya think us leavers are thick mate but trust me I know the difference even if you would like to think I don’t wasn’t it you the other day who said we were leaving Europe lol |
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
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I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
What a super brexit benefit !!!
It's cheaper for people living in the EU to come to the uk. But more expensive to live in the uk or go to Europe
I think I've heard it all now
Well he knows a lot of people in Spain you know ( probably people he has made up like everything he says) .
The ones I know in France are all really pissed off with brexit. Some of them even had to sell their property because their income has gone down by 20% so they found it difficult to make ends meet.
It’s fine they will come back to the UK where house prices have gone up so much that they are also priced out of the market.
What’s not to like. Don’t tell these people you’ve voted brexit if you don’t want to be punched in the face.
are you sure you don’t make shit up sexy for someone who travels all over Asia and Europe and has friends in all them country’s you spend alot of time in blighty moaning about brexit surely one of them will put up up on the sofa for a few decades
Why would I make this up. Google it. Have a look at expats’ forum. You’ll see plenty of these stories. As for travelling in Asia, I’m not sure where you read this but I’ve already told you that I never go there. You must he mistaken. Europe, yes. Never been to Asia in my life. you did it was when you were slagging of ppl who go to Benidorm and the costas you said you prefer Asia Europe places of culture that’s why you weren’t keen on the US you said you where well traveled bud
I’ve mentioned ....Austria. Please, please don’t tell me you think it’s Asia. pmsl I know ya think us leavers are thick mate but trust me I know the difference even if you would like to think I don’t wasn’t it you the other day who said we were leaving Europe lol "
Well I don’t know. The bottom line is either you understood Asia instead of Austria or you are getting mixed up with somebody. Never been to Asia in my life and I can’t see the link with the brevity debate or the Eu. Anyway, let’s move on...
Back to the subject.
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
From January the 1st will the brexiters tell us how things have changed positively?
As they can’t tell us the benefits now we can only hope that when their new life has started they’ll share with us how fantastic their new life is.
Silverback will carry on making up facts but hopefully the other ones will start telling us how things have changed for them I can’t wait to see the fantastic NHS on the 2nd of January. not knowing what to do with their brexit bonanza. Delayed operations will be things of the post, I’ve just read that parking at hospital is about to go up by 200% in some areas. Shit... that,s not a god start. |
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"What’s not to like? Yuppie!!!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-54195827"
Hello . I cannot see how it will make much difference . Companies simply adopt to changing circumstances . Standing in a different queue at passport control will have little impact on most people . I will simply remember to bring both passports with me ( which I always do in any event ) and decide which queue to use . |
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"From January the 1st will the brexiters tell us how things have changed positively?
As they can’t tell us the benefits now we can only hope that when their new life has started they’ll share with us how fantastic their new life is.
Silverback will carry on making up facts but hopefully the other ones will start telling us how things have changed for them I can’t wait to see the fantastic NHS on the 2nd of January. not knowing what to do with their brexit bonanza. Delayed operations will be things of the post, I’ve just read that parking at hospital is about to go up by 200% in some areas. Shit... that,s not a god start."
. A number of posters have aleady posted in the benefits . It is estimated that we could be up to £800 per person better off . ( cheaper food / clothes / etc ) |
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over a year ago
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I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
What a super brexit benefit !!!
It's cheaper for people living in the EU to come to the uk. But more expensive to live in the uk or go to Europe
I think I've heard it all now
Well he knows a lot of people in Spain you know ( probably people he has made up like everything he says) .
The ones I know in France are all really pissed off with brexit. Some of them even had to sell their property because their income has gone down by 20% so they found it difficult to make ends meet.
It’s fine they will come back to the UK where house prices have gone up so much that they are also priced out of the market.
What’s not to like. Don’t tell these people you’ve voted brexit if you don’t want to be punched in the face.
"
I call this bullshit. Over the last 10 years the average exchange rate has been 1.20 euros to the pound. At the moment it is 1.10.
Which isn't 20%.
If people are having to sell up for the sake of 10 cents to the pound they obviously didn't do their homework and probably shouldn't have moved in the first place.
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"From January the 1st will the brexiters tell us how things have changed positively?
As they can’t tell us the benefits now we can only hope that when their new life has started they’ll share with us how fantastic their new life is.
Silverback will carry on making up facts but hopefully the other ones will start telling us how things have changed for them I can’t wait to see the fantastic NHS on the 2nd of January. not knowing what to do with their brexit bonanza. Delayed operations will be things of the post, I’ve just read that parking at hospital is about to go up by 200% in some areas. Shit... that,s not a god start."
Can’t wait for the extra £350 million a week, we’ve already been planning how we’re going to spend our share. |
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"Never been to Asia in my life and I can’t see the link with the brevity debate or the Eu. Anyway, let’s move on..."
Without realising it, highlighting your own limited life experience has in fact pointed the discussion back to a fundamental aspect to Brexit ... there is opportunity to be had outside of the EU.
Well done |
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Never been to Asia in my life and I can’t see the link with the brevity debate or the Eu. Anyway, let’s move on...
Without realising it, highlighting your own limited life experience has in fact pointed the discussion back to a fundamental aspect to Brexit ... there is opportunity to be had outside of the EU.
Well done "
Because I’ve never been to Asia. Lol,
I’m sure that all brexiters have. Brexiters love Blackpool, Margate and ... Beijing, lol.
You’d disappeared from these threads lately. Without realising you you’d stopped highlighting your own limits. Another cretinous argument to add to your tally.
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"Never been to Asia in my life and I can’t see the link with the brevity debate or the Eu. Anyway, let’s move on...
Without realising it, highlighting your own limited life experience has in fact pointed the discussion back to a fundamental aspect to Brexit ... there is opportunity to be had outside of the EU.
Well done
Because I’ve never been to Asia. Lol,
I’m sure that all brexiters have. Brexiters love Blackpool, Margate and ... Beijing, lol.
You’d disappeared from these threads lately. Without realising you you’d stopped highlighting your own limits. Another cretinous argument to add to your tally.
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Simply pointing out that you have in fact highlighted a Brexit benefit... credit where credit is due
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Bristol |
"Never been to Asia in my life and I can’t see the link with the brevity debate or the Eu. Anyway, let’s move on...
Without realising it, highlighting your own limited life experience has in fact pointed the discussion back to a fundamental aspect to Brexit ... there is opportunity to be had outside of the EU.
Well done
Because I’ve never been to Asia. Lol,
I’m sure that all brexiters have. Brexiters love Blackpool, Margate and ... Beijing, lol.
You’d disappeared from these threads lately. Without realising you you’d stopped highlighting your own limits. Another cretinous argument to add to your tally.
Simply pointing out that you have in fact highlighted a Brexit benefit... credit where credit is due
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Bristol |
"Never been to Asia in my life and I can’t see the link with the brevity debate or the Eu. Anyway, let’s move on...
Without realising it, highlighting your own limited life experience has in fact pointed the discussion back to a fundamental aspect to Brexit ... there is opportunity to be had outside of the EU.
Well done
Because I’ve never been to Asia. Lol,
I’m sure that all brexiters have. Brexiters love Blackpool, Margate and ... Beijing, lol.
You’d disappeared from these threads lately. Without realising you you’d stopped highlighting your own limits. Another cretinous argument to add to your tally.
Simply pointing out that you have in fact highlighted a Brexit benefit... credit where credit is due
"
The reason I’ve never been to Asia is because it’s about 4 or 5 thousand miles away. Exactly the same reason why we trade more with the EU than Asia.
Without realising you’ve highlighted one of the nonsense of Brexit. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Well that’s a depressing read
Add to that list customs procedures are still to be resolved too.
I really don’t think people understand how much of a pain in the arse this is going to be.
It’s the stuff you take for granted that’s going to make you think what the fuck have we done.
Why is it going to be a pain? The trade we do with the rest of the world is already like this so is non EU travel.
The only real negative is going to be cheep labour for low end jobs will stop which will mean wages will have to rise to attract people is that bad?
We do 44% of our trade with the EU and the travel is mostly within 4 hours on a plane from one side to the other . However if we trade with the Far East or America as everyone keep saying will save us. That’s a lot more time along with expensive travel and shipping costs.
Being able to drive through such a massive market is a bonus when we trade so much business so close to home. However now I need extra insurance and a driving permit for each country insisting on one. Also an international drivers permit if I want to drive abroad. Remember that when you hire a car on holiday. Then of course there’s the the visa I need to work on my one or two day trip. They can all have their own rules if no deal on top of this growing list. So it’s a major hassle.
Think you will find if they don’t fill those cheap labour jobs in the factories the jobs will move. They have to stay competitive with the world markets. Especially If as you all say the world markets are our future. Far East average wage are much lower. America have limited workers rights so they just work for whatever’s on offer. Yes some states have a minimum wage but it’s low enough not to bother an employer.
Government said they are working on a replacement for the health insurance card. Wanna bet it’s not got the same cover and your private insurance will have to make up the difference.
If our government wanted the same deal we would have signed up by now it’s that easy,
what countries are insisting on a driving permit,what kind of work are you going to do for one or two days that require a visa?"
Third country status follows that you will need an international driving licence unless a country allows special status. 27 to persuade.
The visa requirement to work is mentioned both in the link above and on Martin Lewis website for you to reference.
I have business in Europe so I travel regularly.
Copied and paste below from a law firms release.
In a No-Deal scenario and from January 2021, it is expected that there will be some significant changes to the rules for UK citizens visiting the EU for business purposes (unless the UK and EU member states agree otherwise). UK citizens will be regarded as Third Country visitors, and will be subject to the specific entry rules of each member state they are visiting and some general principles in relation to travel to the EU. The key things that visitors will have to consider are:
The activities which they will be carrying out. The specific activities which are permitted as a visitor vary from member state to member state – therefore it will be important to know in advance if the activities planned for the trip are permitted by the relevant country. Some member states may also require visas to be obtained in advance of travel, or to carry supporting evidence of the reason for travel. Further details on entry requirements for EU countries can be found here.
Having at least 6 months of validity left on their passport on the date of travel. It is a requirement that visitors to Schengen countries must have at least 6 months of validity left on their passport in order to be permitted entry.
Limits to the amount of days which can be spent in the Schengen area. Currently, there is a limit of 90 days’ stay within any 180-day period. For those who travel regularly, it would be advisable to keep a record of the days spent within the Schengen area to ensure that they are not in excess of the limit.
Additional documentation. Upon entry to the EU, border control may request to see further documentation, such as evidence of a return or onward ticket and evidence that they have enough money to support themselves for the duration of their stay. Such visitors will also need to consider taking out travel insurance policies with sufficient healthcare cover as the European Health Insurance Card will no longer provide UK citizens with healthcare benefits in the EU.
It is important for employers to be aware of the changes in relation to visitors who are both in-bound to the UK and out-bound to the EU. The seamless, visa-free travel that businesses have benefitted from will, eventually, come to an end and employers should be aware of the rules and further planning that may be needed under the new business visitor arrangements..
So a pain in the arse is promised without a deal. Even with a deal it’s still a fucking mess.
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Without realising it, highlighting your own limited life experience has in fact pointed the discussion back to a fundamental aspect to Brexit ... there is opportunity to be had outside of the EU.
Well done
Because I’ve never been to Asia. Lol,
I’m sure that all brexiters have. Brexiters love Blackpool, Margate and ... Beijing, lol.
You’d disappeared from these threads lately. Without realising you you’d stopped highlighting your own limits. Another cretinous argument to add to your tally.
Simply pointing out that you have in fact highlighted a Brexit benefit... credit where credit is due
The reason I’ve never been to Asia is because it’s about 4 or 5 thousand miles away. Exactly the same reason why we trade more with the EU than Asia.
Without realising you’ve highlighted one of the nonsense of Brexit. "
Asia is worth a visit some time...
there are opportunities outside of the EU, which maybe you are not fully appreciating as your glass ceiling seems to be the confines of mainland Europe.
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"Never been to Asia in my life and I can’t see the link with the brevity debate or the Eu. Anyway, let’s move on...
Without realising it, highlighting your own limited life experience has in fact pointed the discussion back to a fundamental aspect to Brexit ... there is opportunity to be had outside of the EU.
Well done
Because I’ve never been to Asia. Lol,
I’m sure that all brexiters have. Brexiters love Blackpool, Margate and ... Beijing, lol.
You’d disappeared from these threads lately. Without realising you you’d stopped highlighting your own limits. Another cretinous argument to add to your tally.
Simply pointing out that you have in fact highlighted a Brexit benefit... credit where credit is due
The reason I’ve never been to Asia is because it’s about 4 or 5 thousand miles away. Exactly the same reason why we trade more with the EU than Asia.
Without realising you’ve highlighted one of the nonsense of Brexit.
Asia is worth a visit some time...
there are opportunities outside of the EU, which maybe you are not fully appreciating as your glass ceiling seems to be the confines of mainland Europe.
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"Never been to Asia in my life and I can’t see the link with the brevity debate or the Eu. Anyway, let’s move on...
Without realising it, highlighting your own limited life experience has in fact pointed the discussion back to a fundamental aspect to Brexit ... there is opportunity to be had outside of the EU.
Well done
Because I’ve never been to Asia. Lol,
I’m sure that all brexiters have. Brexiters love Blackpool, Margate and ... Beijing, lol.
You’d disappeared from these threads lately. Without realising you you’d stopped highlighting your own limits. Another cretinous argument to add to your tally.
Simply pointing out that you have in fact highlighted a Brexit benefit... credit where credit is due
The reason I’ve never been to Asia is because it’s about 4 or 5 thousand miles away. Exactly the same reason why we trade more with the EU than Asia.
Without realising you’ve highlighted one of the nonsense of Brexit.
Asia is worth a visit some time...
there are opportunities outside of the EU, which maybe you are not fully appreciating as your glass ceiling seems to be the confines of mainland Europe.
You really have no idea how international trade works."
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
What a super brexit benefit !!!
It's cheaper for people living in the EU to come to the uk. But more expensive to live in the uk or go to Europe
I think I've heard it all now
Well he knows a lot of people in Spain you know ( probably people he has made up like everything he says) .
The ones I know in France are all really pissed off with brexit. Some of them even had to sell their property because their income has gone down by 20% so they found it difficult to make ends meet.
It’s fine they will come back to the UK where house prices have gone up so much that they are also priced out of the market.
What’s not to like. Don’t tell these people you’ve voted brexit if you don’t want to be punched in the face.
I call this bullshit. Over the last 10 years the average exchange rate has been 1.20 euros to the pound. At the moment it is 1.10.
Which isn't 20%.
If people are having to sell up for the sake of 10 cents to the pound they obviously didn't do their homework and probably shouldn't have moved in the first place.
What rubbish "
You’re assuming people bought their houses 10 years ago?
From 2012 the pound increased against the Euro in a solid steady predictable rise which aides long term purchase planning for business and private individuals.
The Brexit vote dropped the rate off a cliff so yes 20% since. If you extend your argument back far enough you will go into the black Wednesday crash too but that again was our own incompetent government with no idea what they were doing.
We were doing well until 2016 steady growth lower unemployment and predicted to grow year on year. What part of that did you think was going wrong? I expect the usual bollocks about taking back control . Control of a declining economy against our peers. |
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over a year ago
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"Never been to Asia in my life and I can’t see the link with the brevity debate or the Eu. Anyway, let’s move on...
Without realising it, highlighting your own limited life experience has in fact pointed the discussion back to a fundamental aspect to Brexit ... there is opportunity to be had outside of the EU.
Well done
Because I’ve never been to Asia. Lol,
I’m sure that all brexiters have. Brexiters love Blackpool, Margate and ... Beijing, lol.
You’d disappeared from these threads lately. Without realising you you’d stopped highlighting your own limits. Another cretinous argument to add to your tally.
Simply pointing out that you have in fact highlighted a Brexit benefit... credit where credit is due
The reason I’ve never been to Asia is because it’s about 4 or 5 thousand miles away. Exactly the same reason why we trade more with the EU than Asia.
Without realising you’ve highlighted one of the nonsense of Brexit.
Asia is worth a visit some time...
there are opportunities outside of the EU, which maybe you are not fully appreciating as your glass ceiling seems to be the confines of mainland Europe.
You really have no idea how international trade works.
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He is right you don’t! |
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-54195827
nothing in this that we didn't already know, and the points listed are hardly life changing events that prevent the majority of people in their day to day lives.
It must be fun for the Brits who’ve retired in France or Spain. I’m sure they appreciate the hassle in terms of practicalities. And that’s with their pension paid in pounds havImg already slumped by 20% once it has reached their account in the EU country of their choice.
I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
The pound fell by 20% on the day of the referendum and it has never recovered since, it has been roughly at the same level since. Who cares about how much you save on the return journey when your holidays - accommodation, restaurants etc - have cost you 20% more. Another first class argument.
And also looking on the bright side, I will get more in pound notes if I sell my apartment in Spain now than I would have done in 2016 "
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I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
What a super brexit benefit !!!
It's cheaper for people living in the EU to come to the uk. But more expensive to live in the uk or go to Europe
I think I've heard it all now
Well he knows a lot of people in Spain you know ( probably people he has made up like everything he says) .
The ones I know in France are all really pissed off with brexit. Some of them even had to sell their property because their income has gone down by 20% so they found it difficult to make ends meet.
It’s fine they will come back to the UK where house prices have gone up so much that they are also priced out of the market.
What’s not to like. Don’t tell these people you’ve voted brexit if you don’t want to be punched in the face.
I call this bullshit. Over the last 10 years the average exchange rate has been 1.20 euros to the pound. At the moment it is 1.10.
Which isn't 20%.
If people are having to sell up for the sake of 10 cents to the pound they obviously didn't do their homework and probably shouldn't have moved in the first place.
What rubbish
You’re assuming people bought their houses 10 years ago?
From 2012 the pound increased against the Euro in a solid steady predictable rise which aides long term purchase planning for business and private individuals.
The Brexit vote dropped the rate off a cliff so yes 20% since. If you extend your argument back far enough you will go into the black Wednesday crash too but that again was our own incompetent government with no idea what they were doing.
We were doing well until 2016 steady growth lower unemployment and predicted to grow year on year. What part of that did you think was going wrong? I expect the usual bollocks about taking back control . Control of a declining economy against our peers. "
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-54195827
nothing in this that we didn't already know, and the points listed are hardly life changing events that prevent the majority of people in their day to day lives.
It must be fun for the Brits who’ve retired in France or Spain. I’m sure they appreciate the hassle in terms of practicalities. And that’s with their pension paid in pounds havImg already slumped by 20% once it has reached their account in the EU country of their choice.
I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
The pound fell by 20% on the day of the referendum and it has never recovered since, it has been roughly at the same level since. Who cares about how much you save on the return journey when your holidays - accommodation, restaurants etc - have cost you 20% more. Another first class argument.
And also looking on the bright side, I will get more in pound notes if I sell my apartment in Spain now than I would have done in 2016
I seriously doubt it."
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Never been to Asia in my life and I can’t see the link with the brevity debate or the Eu. Anyway, let’s move on...
Without realising it, highlighting your own limited life experience has in fact pointed the discussion back to a fundamental aspect to Brexit ... there is opportunity to be had outside of the EU.
Well done
Because I’ve never been to Asia. Lol,
I’m sure that all brexiters have. Brexiters love Blackpool, Margate and ... Beijing, lol.
You’d disappeared from these threads lately. Without realising you you’d stopped highlighting your own limits. Another cretinous argument to add to your tally.
Simply pointing out that you have in fact highlighted a Brexit benefit... credit where credit is due
The reason I’ve never been to Asia is because it’s about 4 or 5 thousand miles away. Exactly the same reason why we trade more with the EU than Asia.
Without realising you’ve highlighted one of the nonsense of Brexit.
Asia is worth a visit some time...
there are opportunities outside of the EU, which maybe you are not fully appreciating as your glass ceiling seems to be the confines of mainland Europe.
"
What have my holiday destination preferences have to do with Brexit? I’m just not especially drawn to Asia, that’s all. Nothing to do with my views on business with this part of the world. What a far-fetched argument...
The bottom line is that we are trading more with the EU for a good reason. And whatever you think of them, you won’t be able to change the map of the world or make Japan and China be closer to our our doorstep.
And if you think that the UK was bullied or taken for a ride by the EU, good luck when you flex your muscles with China or the giant that India will soon become. I hope you like getting spanked.
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"Never been to Asia in my life and I can’t see the link with the brevity debate or the Eu. Anyway, let’s move on...
Without realising it, highlighting your own limited life experience has in fact pointed the discussion back to a fundamental aspect to Brexit ... there is opportunity to be had outside of the EU.
Well done
Because I’ve never been to Asia. Lol,
I’m sure that all brexiters have. Brexiters love Blackpool, Margate and ... Beijing, lol.
You’d disappeared from these threads lately. Without realising you you’d stopped highlighting your own limits. Another cretinous argument to add to your tally.
Simply pointing out that you have in fact highlighted a Brexit benefit... credit where credit is due
The reason I’ve never been to Asia is because it’s about 4 or 5 thousand miles away. Exactly the same reason why we trade more with the EU than Asia.
Without realising you’ve highlighted one of the nonsense of Brexit.
Asia is worth a visit some time...
there are opportunities outside of the EU, which maybe you are not fully appreciating as your glass ceiling seems to be the confines of mainland Europe.
You really have no idea how international trade works.
He is right you don’t! "
Such a mindless comment when you know absolutely nothing about me and my business experience.
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
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I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
What a super brexit benefit !!!
It's cheaper for people living in the EU to come to the uk. But more expensive to live in the uk or go to Europe
I think I've heard it all now
Well he knows a lot of people in Spain you know ( probably people he has made up like everything he says) .
The ones I know in France are all really pissed off with brexit. Some of them even had to sell their property because their income has gone down by 20% so they found it difficult to make ends meet.
It’s fine they will come back to the UK where house prices have gone up so much that they are also priced out of the market.
What’s not to like. Don’t tell these people you’ve voted brexit if you don’t want to be punched in the face.
I call this bullshit. Over the last 10 years the average exchange rate has been 1.20 euros to the pound. At the moment it is 1.10.
Which isn't 20%.
If people are having to sell up for the sake of 10 cents to the pound they obviously didn't do their homework and probably shouldn't have moved in the first place.
What rubbish
You’re assuming people bought their houses 10 years ago?
From 2012 the pound increased against the Euro in a solid steady predictable rise which aides long term purchase planning for business and private individuals.
The Brexit vote dropped the rate off a cliff so yes 20% since. If you extend your argument back far enough you will go into the black Wednesday crash too but that again was our own incompetent government with no idea what they were doing.
We were doing well until 2016 steady growth lower unemployment and predicted to grow year on year. What part of that did you think was going wrong? I expect the usual bollocks about taking back control . Control of a declining economy against our peers.
We were doing well until 2016? That would be down to having a Tory government then wouldn't it? "
Typical sliverthorn. Losing the argument on the pound so moving the debate on something else. That’s what you get with people with very little substance. A lot of bullshit that they can’t back up or defend And when push comes to shove, there is no one left. |
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Never been to Asia in my life and I can’t see the link with the brevity debate or the Eu. Anyway, let’s move on...
Without realising it, highlighting your own limited life experience has in fact pointed the discussion back to a fundamental aspect to Brexit ... there is opportunity to be had outside of the EU.
Well done
Because I’ve never been to Asia. Lol,
I’m sure that all brexiters have. Brexiters love Blackpool, Margate and ... Beijing, lol.
You’d disappeared from these threads lately. Without realising you you’d stopped highlighting your own limits. Another cretinous argument to add to your tally.
Simply pointing out that you have in fact highlighted a Brexit benefit... credit where credit is due
The reason I’ve never been to Asia is because it’s about 4 or 5 thousand miles away. Exactly the same reason why we trade more with the EU than Asia.
Without realising you’ve highlighted one of the nonsense of Brexit.
Asia is worth a visit some time...
there are opportunities outside of the EU, which maybe you are not fully appreciating as your glass ceiling seems to be the confines of mainland Europe.
You really have no idea how international trade works.
He is right you don’t!
Such a mindless comment when you know absolutely nothing about me and my business experience.
"
I might be wrong but I think jackal is probably thinking that you’re not worth him typing 30 lines. The expression pissing in the wind ( or in a violin in French) comes to mind. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
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I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
What a super brexit benefit !!!
It's cheaper for people living in the EU to come to the uk. But more expensive to live in the uk or go to Europe
I think I've heard it all now
Well he knows a lot of people in Spain you know ( probably people he has made up like everything he says) .
The ones I know in France are all really pissed off with brexit. Some of them even had to sell their property because their income has gone down by 20% so they found it difficult to make ends meet.
It’s fine they will come back to the UK where house prices have gone up so much that they are also priced out of the market.
What’s not to like. Don’t tell these people you’ve voted brexit if you don’t want to be punched in the face.
I call this bullshit. Over the last 10 years the average exchange rate has been 1.20 euros to the pound. At the moment it is 1.10.
Which isn't 20%.
If people are having to sell up for the sake of 10 cents to the pound they obviously didn't do their homework and probably shouldn't have moved in the first place.
What rubbish
You’re assuming people bought their houses 10 years ago?
From 2012 the pound increased against the Euro in a solid steady predictable rise which aides long term purchase planning for business and private individuals.
The Brexit vote dropped the rate off a cliff so yes 20% since. If you extend your argument back far enough you will go into the black Wednesday crash too but that again was our own incompetent government with no idea what they were doing.
We were doing well until 2016 steady growth lower unemployment and predicted to grow year on year. What part of that did you think was going wrong? I expect the usual bollocks about taking back control . Control of a declining economy against our peers.
We were doing well until 2016? That would be down to having a Tory government then wouldn't it? "
I think you will find it was due to the growing markets we trade with . Let see who that could be?... oh yes Europe. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
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60% of our trade is outside the EU "
54% actually of which banking and finance was the biggest share. That industry is moving out of the U.K. so come on who’s going to replace them?
Honda? Land Rover Defenders? Insurance services fishing ....oh wait...
Come on show me who’s moving in to the gaps created? |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Never been to Asia in my life and I can’t see the link with the brevity debate or the Eu. Anyway, let’s move on...
Without realising it, highlighting your own limited life experience has in fact pointed the discussion back to a fundamental aspect to Brexit ... there is opportunity to be had outside of the EU.
Well done
Because I’ve never been to Asia. Lol,
I’m sure that all brexiters have. Brexiters love Blackpool, Margate and ... Beijing, lol.
You’d disappeared from these threads lately. Without realising you you’d stopped highlighting your own limits. Another cretinous argument to add to your tally.
Simply pointing out that you have in fact highlighted a Brexit benefit... credit where credit is due
The reason I’ve never been to Asia is because it’s about 4 or 5 thousand miles away. Exactly the same reason why we trade more with the EU than Asia.
Without realising you’ve highlighted one of the nonsense of Brexit.
Asia is worth a visit some time...
there are opportunities outside of the EU, which maybe you are not fully appreciating as your glass ceiling seems to be the confines of mainland Europe.
You really have no idea how international trade works.
He is right you don’t!
Such a mindless comment when you know absolutely nothing about me and my business experience.
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Mindless indeed but I thought reading your comments I’d speak your language. |
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"Never been to Asia in my life and I can’t see the link with the brevity debate or the Eu. Anyway, let’s move on...
Without realising it, highlighting your own limited life experience has in fact pointed the discussion back to a fundamental aspect to Brexit ... there is opportunity to be had outside of the EU.
Well done
Because I’ve never been to Asia. Lol,
I’m sure that all brexiters have. Brexiters love Blackpool, Margate and ... Beijing, lol.
You’d disappeared from these threads lately. Without realising you you’d stopped highlighting your own limits. Another cretinous argument to add to your tally.
Simply pointing out that you have in fact highlighted a Brexit benefit... credit where credit is due
The reason I’ve never been to Asia is because it’s about 4 or 5 thousand miles away. Exactly the same reason why we trade more with the EU than Asia.
Without realising you’ve highlighted one of the nonsense of Brexit.
Asia is worth a visit some time...
there are opportunities outside of the EU, which maybe you are not fully appreciating as your glass ceiling seems to be the confines of mainland Europe.
You really have no idea how international trade works.
He is right you don’t!
Such a mindless comment when you know absolutely nothing about me and my business experience.
Mindless indeed but I thought reading your comments I’d speak your language. "
What I would say is it wouldn't be the first time you have misread something and posted a wrong conclusion.
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-54195827
nothing in this that we didn't already know, and the points listed are hardly life changing events that prevent the majority of people in their day to day lives.
It must be fun for the Brits who’ve retired in France or Spain. I’m sure they appreciate the hassle in terms of practicalities. And that’s with their pension paid in pounds havImg already slumped by 20% once it has reached their account in the EU country of their choice.
I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
The pound fell by 20% on the day of the referendum and it has never recovered since, it has been roughly at the same level since. Who cares about how much you save on the return journey when your holidays - accommodation, restaurants etc - have cost you 20% more. Another first class argument. "
. Hello , I think a lot of people will care about currency fluctuations . If your pension fund is invested in companies outside the UK , a lower exchange rate will mean your pension / dividend income remitted to the Uk is higher ( and consequently more money is available to be spent in the UK economy ) Should you choose to spend some of this income in an EU county , the rise in income received from other sources may more than compensate you for any increased cost of your EU holiday . As already stated by a number of posters anyone selling a property abroad will be more than happy with the drop in value of the POUND . In addition a weaker pound is of significant benefit to UK exporters and the UK tourist industry |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Never been to Asia in my life and I can’t see the link with the brevity debate or the Eu. Anyway, let’s move on...
Without realising it, highlighting your own limited life experience has in fact pointed the discussion back to a fundamental aspect to Brexit ... there is opportunity to be had outside of the EU.
Well done
Because I’ve never been to Asia. Lol,
I’m sure that all brexiters have. Brexiters love Blackpool, Margate and ... Beijing, lol.
You’d disappeared from these threads lately. Without realising you you’d stopped highlighting your own limits. Another cretinous argument to add to your tally.
Simply pointing out that you have in fact highlighted a Brexit benefit... credit where credit is due
The reason I’ve never been to Asia is because it’s about 4 or 5 thousand miles away. Exactly the same reason why we trade more with the EU than Asia.
Without realising you’ve highlighted one of the nonsense of Brexit.
Asia is worth a visit some time...
there are opportunities outside of the EU, which maybe you are not fully appreciating as your glass ceiling seems to be the confines of mainland Europe.
You really have no idea how international trade works.
He is right you don’t!
Such a mindless comment when you know absolutely nothing about me and my business experience.
Mindless indeed but I thought reading your comments I’d speak your language.
What I would say is it wouldn't be the first time you have misread something and posted a wrong conclusion.
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So speaks the voice of shared experience. Good to share isn’t it!
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-54195827
nothing in this that we didn't already know, and the points listed are hardly life changing events that prevent the majority of people in their day to day lives.
It must be fun for the Brits who’ve retired in France or Spain. I’m sure they appreciate the hassle in terms of practicalities. And that’s with their pension paid in pounds havImg already slumped by 20% once it has reached their account in the EU country of their choice.
I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
The pound fell by 20% on the day of the referendum and it has never recovered since, it has been roughly at the same level since. Who cares about how much you save on the return journey when your holidays - accommodation, restaurants etc - have cost you 20% more. Another first class argument. . Hello , I think a lot of people will care about currency fluctuations . If your pension fund is invested in companies outside the UK , a lower exchange rate will mean your pension / dividend income remitted to the Uk is higher ( and consequently more money is available to be spent in the UK economy ) Should you choose to spend some of this income in an EU county , the rise in income received from other sources may more than compensate you for any increased cost of your EU holiday . As already stated by a number of posters anyone selling a property abroad will be more than happy with the drop in value of the POUND . In addition a weaker pound is of significant benefit to UK exporters and the UK tourist industry "
Genuine question
How much of today’s U.K. pensions are invested outside of the U.K. stock market. I genuinely don’t know so serious question. |
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I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
What a super brexit benefit !!!
It's cheaper for people living in the EU to come to the uk. But more expensive to live in the uk or go to Europe
I think I've heard it all now
Well he knows a lot of people in Spain you know ( probably people he has made up like everything he says) .
The ones I know in France are all really pissed off with brexit. Some of them even had to sell their property because their income has gone down by 20% so they found it difficult to make ends meet.
It’s fine they will come back to the UK where house prices have gone up so much that they are also priced out of the market.
What’s not to like. Don’t tell these people you’ve voted brexit if you don’t want to be punched in the face.
are you sure you don’t make shit up sexy for someone who travels all over Asia and Europe and has friends in all them country’s you spend alot of time in blighty moaning about brexit surely one of them will put up up on the sofa for a few decades
Why would I make this up. Google it. Have a look at expats’ forum. You’ll see plenty of these stories. As for travelling in Asia, I’m not sure where you read this but I’ve already told you that I never go there. You must he mistaken. Europe, yes. Never been to Asia in my life. you did it was when you were slagging of ppl who go to Benidorm and the costas you said you prefer Asia Europe places of culture that’s why you weren’t keen on the US you said you where well traveled bud
I’ve mentioned ....Austria. Please, please don’t tell me you think it’s Asia. "
Thats sort of close, when it is called Australaisa continent |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
On the tourism question
28 Billion was spent by tourists visiting the U.K. last year.
In 2018 U.K. tourists spent 45Billion abroad
Assuming no growth in U.K. spending last year currency the 20% currency will cost U.K. residents and extra £3billion if you just use the balance but £9Billion if you use the gross figure.
Very crude I know but either way it’s costing GB more and EU citizens less. Eu citizens may increase their visits but I think our anti EU stance will put a lot more off!
On housing, the crash reduced Spanish properties by up to 60% in the less expensive retirement home areas. The prices have improved but are still way off where they were so I doubt any currency fluctuations have got a lot of buyers out of the shit. U.K. state pension being worth less by 20% just adds to their woes. Some people retire there on a shoestring and always risk coming unstuck but Brexit has increased the risks for more of those retired folk. |
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-54195827
nothing in this that we didn't already know, and the points listed are hardly life changing events that prevent the majority of people in their day to day lives.
It must be fun for the Brits who’ve retired in France or Spain. I’m sure they appreciate the hassle in terms of practicalities. And that’s with their pension paid in pounds havImg already slumped by 20% once it has reached their account in the EU country of their choice.
I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
The pound fell by 20% on the day of the referendum and it has never recovered since, it has been roughly at the same level since. Who cares about how much you save on the return journey when your holidays - accommodation, restaurants etc - have cost you 20% more. Another first class argument. . Hello , I think a lot of people will care about currency fluctuations . If your pension fund is invested in companies outside the UK , a lower exchange rate will mean your pension / dividend income remitted to the Uk is higher ( and consequently more money is available to be spent in the UK economy ) Should you choose to spend some of this income in an EU county , the rise in income received from other sources may more than compensate you for any increased cost of your EU holiday . As already stated by a number of posters anyone selling a property abroad will be more than happy with the drop in value of the POUND . In addition a weaker pound is of significant benefit to UK exporters and the UK tourist industry
Genuine question
How much of today’s U.K. pensions are invested outside of the U.K. stock market. I genuinely don’t know so serious question. "
Hello. An intersting question and I do not know the answer. Does anyone else know ? I am not sure how easy the calculation is. For example, you might have your pension invested in the Scottish Mortgage Investment Trust which is UK quoted , but a very significant number id its investments are in growth businesses based throughout the world. Is it classed as a UK investment or investment outside the UK. ? I would guess the only concern of anyone with their pension in this trust is whether the gain of 76 % in the net asset value over the last six months is sustainable ( compared to a 24 % increase in the all world index ) |
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nothing in this that we didn't already know, and the points listed are hardly life changing events that prevent the majority of people in their day to day lives.
It must be fun for the Brits who’ve retired in France or Spain. I’m sure they appreciate the hassle in terms of practicalities. And that’s with their pension paid in pounds havImg already slumped by 20% once it has reached their account in the EU country of their choice.
I know plenty in Spain. What hassle? And the pound - euro exchange rate has been around what it is today or below for long periods of time over the years. And looking on the bright side it makes trips back to the UK cheaper
The pound fell by 20% on the day of the referendum and it has never recovered since, it has been roughly at the same level since. Who cares about how much you save on the return journey when your holidays - accommodation, restaurants etc - have cost you 20% more. Another first class argument. . Hello , I think a lot of people will care about currency fluctuations . If your pension fund is invested in companies outside the UK , a lower exchange rate will mean your pension / dividend income remitted to the Uk is higher ( and consequently more money is available to be spent in the UK economy ) Should you choose to spend some of this income in an EU county , the rise in income received from other sources may more than compensate you for any increased cost of your EU holiday . As already stated by a number of posters anyone selling a property abroad will be more than happy with the drop in value of the POUND . In addition a weaker pound is of significant benefit to UK exporters and the UK tourist industry
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How much of today’s U.K. pensions are invested outside of the U.K. stock market. I genuinely don’t know so serious question. "
I'd be hoping a very very large part of it
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"Well that’s a depressing read
Add to that list customs procedures are still to be resolved too.
I really don’t think people understand how much of a pain in the arse this is going to be.
It’s the stuff you take for granted that’s going to make you think what the fuck have we done.
Why is it going to be a pain? The trade we do with the rest of the world is already like this so is non EU travel.
The only real negative is going to be cheep labour for low end jobs will stop which will mean wages will have to rise to attract people is that bad?
The trade we do with the rest of the world is much more bureaucratic. That's why it's a pain in the arse and an extra expenses.
Some of it is but not all. We deal with Eu and non EU suppliers and with the EU there are already lots of compliance you need to provide all it will do is add customs declarations. On the positive we will have more access to India and other countries. There will be positives and negatives granted it will mean kids coming out of school who desperately want to work and many do will have more of a chance at entry level jobs it might even reduce the youth unemployment figures.
The compliance is there for a reason though. It's not just arbitrary. And presumably we will still have to comply with the EU standards regardless.
I can see the downside. But I don't see where there are any savings or improvements.
There is a load of paperwork not so people comply with regulations and there will be after brexit just the same. Savings wise well there will be some but its more the ability to access other markets with more freedom. Remainders don't want to see any positives in leaving, leavers see staying in the EU zone as restrictive the reality is there will be advantages to both and if you can't see how it will improve the chances of employment in more basic jobs for UK citizens then you are a little blinkered. I just hope it pushes wages up for the low paid.
What markets are you restricted from reaching today, that Brexit will "open up" for you?
Being nosey, what industry are you in?
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It is worth pointing out that some HGV and bus drivers are unable to work because of EU legislation. I currently hold licences to drive both buses and lorries but am unable to drive them in a paid capacity due to the necessity to have a CPC card. To obtain a CPC card you must complete 35 hours training every 5 years. The training is NOT a test of your driving skills or assessment. You could comply with the requirement by attending the same first aid course 5 times and simply sit in the classroom without either participating or listening. This piece is EU legislation prevents some drivers working on a part time basis and making a contribution to the UK economy. I do not drive for a living so the impact on me is small but what about retired drivers wanting to earn extra cash or hauliers who may be short staffed. ? |
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"It is worth pointing out that some HGV and bus drivers are unable to work because of EU legislation. I currently hold licences to drive both buses and lorries but am unable to drive them in a paid capacity due to the necessity to have a CPC card. To obtain a CPC card you must complete 35 hours training every 5 years. The training is NOT a test of your driving skills or assessment. You could comply with the requirement by attending the same first aid course 5 times and simply sit in the classroom without either participating or listening. This piece is EU legislation prevents some drivers working on a part time basis and making a contribution to the UK economy. I do not drive for a living so the impact on me is small but what about retired drivers wanting to earn extra cash or hauliers who may be short staffed. ? "
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"Well that’s a depressing read
Add to that list customs procedures are still to be resolved too.
I really don’t think people understand how much of a pain in the arse this is going to be.
It’s the stuff you take for granted that’s going to make you think what the fuck have we done.
Why is it going to be a pain? The trade we do with the rest of the world is already like this so is non EU travel.
The only real negative is going to be cheep labour for low end jobs will stop which will mean wages will have to rise to attract people is that bad?
We do 44% of our trade with the EU and the travel is mostly within 4 hours on a plane from one side to the other . However if we trade with the Far East or America as everyone keep saying will save us. That’s a lot more time along with expensive travel and shipping costs.
Being able to drive through such a massive market is a bonus when we trade so much business so close to home. However now I need extra insurance and a driving permit for each country insisting on one. Also an international drivers permit if I want to drive abroad. Remember that when you hire a car on holiday. Then of course there’s the the visa I need to work on my one or two day trip. They can all have their own rules if no deal on top of this growing list. So it’s a major hassle.
Think you will find if they don’t fill those cheap labour jobs in the factories the jobs will move. They have to stay competitive with the world markets. Especially If as you all say the world markets are our future. Far East average wage are much lower. America have limited workers rights so they just work for whatever’s on offer. Yes some states have a minimum wage but it’s low enough not to bother an employer.
Government said they are working on a replacement for the health insurance card. Wanna bet it’s not got the same cover and your private insurance will have to make up the difference.
If our government wanted the same deal we would have signed up by now it’s that easy,
what countries are insisting on a driving permit,what kind of work are you going to do for one or two days that require a visa?
Third country status follows that you will need an international driving licence unless a country allows special status. 27 to persuade.
The visa requirement to work is mentioned both in the link above and on Martin Lewis website for you to reference.
I have business in Europe so I travel regularly.
Copied and paste below from a law firms release.
In a No-Deal scenario and from January 2021, it is expected that there will be some significant changes to the rules for UK citizens visiting the EU for business purposes (unless the UK and EU member states agree otherwise). UK citizens will be regarded as Third Country visitors, and will be subject to the specific entry rules of each member state they are visiting and some general principles in relation to travel to the EU. The key things that visitors will have to consider are:
The activities which they will be carrying out. The specific activities which are permitted as a visitor vary from member state to member state – therefore it will be important to know in advance if the activities planned for the trip are permitted by the relevant country. Some member states may also require visas to be obtained in advance of travel, or to carry supporting evidence of the reason for travel. Further details on entry requirements for EU countries can be found here.
Having at least 6 months of validity left on their passport on the date of travel. It is a requirement that visitors to Schengen countries must have at least 6 months of validity left on their passport in order to be permitted entry.
Limits to the amount of days which can be spent in the Schengen area. Currently, there is a limit of 90 days’ stay within any 180-day period. For those who travel regularly, it would be advisable to keep a record of the days spent within the Schengen area to ensure that they are not in excess of the limit.
Additional documentation. Upon entry to the EU, border control may request to see further documentation, such as evidence of a return or onward ticket and evidence that they have enough money to support themselves for the duration of their stay. Such visitors will also need to consider taking out travel insurance policies with sufficient healthcare cover as the European Health Insurance Card will no longer provide UK citizens with healthcare benefits in the EU.
It is important for employers to be aware of the changes in relation to visitors who are both in-bound to the UK and out-bound to the EU. The seamless, visa-free travel that businesses have benefitted from will, eventually, come to an end and employers should be aware of the rules and further planning that may be needed under the new business visitor arrangements..
So a pain in the arse is promised without a deal. Even with a deal it’s still a fucking mess.
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"On the tourism question
28 Billion was spent by tourists visiting the U.K. last year.
In 2018 U.K. tourists spent 45Billion abroad
Assuming no growth in U.K. spending last year currency the 20% currency will cost U.K. residents and extra £3billion if you just use the balance but £9Billion if you use the gross figure.
Very crude I know but either way it’s costing GB more and EU citizens less. Eu citizens may increase their visits but I think our anti EU stance will put a lot more off!
On housing, the crash reduced Spanish properties by up to 60% in the less expensive retirement home areas. The prices have improved but are still way off where they were so I doubt any currency fluctuations have got a lot of buyers out of the shit. U.K. state pension being worth less by 20% just adds to their woes. Some people retire there on a shoestring and always risk coming unstuck but Brexit has increased the risks for more of those retired folk. "
I don't think EU visitors could give 2 f_cks about our EU stance, numbers of visitors rose after the referendum. And on housing, you're assuming that most people bought before the crash aren't you? That was 12 years ago and most I know bought after, as I did as it was the only time I could afford to. I paid half the original price and on current valuation it is worth 35% more than I paid, so like most, quids in. And on average over recent years the UK pension is nowhere near worth 20% less at all. But if you want to look on the negatives of everything to try to justify in your own mind why you voted the way you did then crack on, enjoy yourself |
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"The only real negative is going to be cheep labour for low end jobs will stop which will mean wages will have to rise to attract people is that bad?
Wage rises mean price rises means inflation  "
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"Well that’s a depressing read
Add to that list customs procedures are still to be resolved too.
I really don’t think people understand how much of a pain in the arse this is going to be.
It’s the stuff you take for granted that’s going to make you think what the fuck have we done.
Why is it going to be a pain? The trade we do with the rest of the world is already like this so is non EU travel.
The only real negative is going to be cheep labour for low end jobs will stop which will mean wages will have to rise to attract people is that bad?
We do 44% of our trade with the EU and the travel is mostly within 4 hours on a plane from one side to the other . However if we trade with the Far East or America as everyone keep saying will save us. That’s a lot more time along with expensive travel and shipping costs.
Being able to drive through such a massive market is a bonus when we trade so much business so close to home. However now I need extra insurance and a driving permit for each country insisting on one. Also an international drivers permit if I want to drive abroad. Remember that when you hire a car on holiday. Then of course there’s the the visa I need to work on my one or two day trip. They can all have their own rules if no deal on top of this growing list. So it’s a major hassle.
Think you will find if they don’t fill those cheap labour jobs in the factories the jobs will move. They have to stay competitive with the world markets. Especially If as you all say the world markets are our future. Far East average wage are much lower. America have limited workers rights so they just work for whatever’s on offer. Yes some states have a minimum wage but it’s low enough not to bother an employer.
Government said they are working on a replacement for the health insurance card. Wanna bet it’s not got the same cover and your private insurance will have to make up the difference.
If our government wanted the same deal we would have signed up by now it’s that easy,
what countries are insisting on a driving permit,what kind of work are you going to do for one or two days that require a visa?
Third country status follows that you will need an international driving licence unless a country allows special status. 27 to persuade.
The visa requirement to work is mentioned both in the link above and on Martin Lewis website for you to reference.
I have business in Europe so I travel regularly.
Copied and paste below from a law firms release.
In a No-Deal scenario and from January 2021, it is expected that there will be some significant changes to the rules for UK citizens visiting the EU for business purposes (unless the UK and EU member states agree otherwise). UK citizens will be regarded as Third Country visitors, and will be subject to the specific entry rules of each member state they are visiting and some general principles in relation to travel to the EU. The key things that visitors will have to consider are:
The activities which they will be carrying out. The specific activities which are permitted as a visitor vary from member state to member state – therefore it will be important to know in advance if the activities planned for the trip are permitted by the relevant country. Some member states may also require visas to be obtained in advance of travel, or to carry supporting evidence of the reason for travel. Further details on entry requirements for EU countries can be found here.
Having at least 6 months of validity left on their passport on the date of travel. It is a requirement that visitors to Schengen countries must have at least 6 months of validity left on their passport in order to be permitted entry.
Limits to the amount of days which can be spent in the Schengen area. Currently, there is a limit of 90 days’ stay within any 180-day period. For those who travel regularly, it would be advisable to keep a record of the days spent within the Schengen area to ensure that they are not in excess of the limit.
Additional documentation. Upon entry to the EU, border control may request to see further documentation, such as evidence of a return or onward ticket and evidence that they have enough money to support themselves for the duration of their stay. Such visitors will also need to consider taking out travel insurance policies with sufficient healthcare cover as the European Health Insurance Card will no longer provide UK citizens with healthcare benefits in the EU.
It is important for employers to be aware of the changes in relation to visitors who are both in-bound to the UK and out-bound to the EU. The seamless, visa-free travel that businesses have benefitted from will, eventually, come to an end and employers should be aware of the rules and further planning that may be needed under the new business visitor arrangements..
So a pain in the arse is promised without a deal. Even with a deal it’s still a fucking mess.
Im not disputing you MAY need an international driving license what countries have said you will need a driving permit? yes you keep saying you have an international company so what what work do you do for one or two days that you will not be allowed to do?"
It’s called an international driving permit and all countries of the Eu are entitled to ask for one of non EU residence if they so choose.
90 out of 180 days gives rise to my comment of allowed work time. Countries are allowed to say erm sorry you have exceeded your allocated allowance would you kindly register for income tax.
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"The only real negative is going to be cheep labour for low end jobs will stop which will mean wages will have to rise to attract people is that bad?
Wage rises mean price rises means inflation
An economy needs inflation "
Indeed it does. Especially the U.K. to keep up with our debt.
If we don’t increase in GDP we struggle to pay down our debt. If our credit rating is downgraded again the interest on those debts increases making the growth imperative. |
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"It is worth pointing out that some HGV and bus drivers are unable to work because of EU legislation. I currently hold licences to drive both buses and lorries but am unable to drive them in a paid capacity due to the necessity to have a CPC card. To obtain a CPC card you must complete 35 hours training every 5 years. The training is NOT a test of your driving skills or assessment. You could comply with the requirement by attending the same first aid course 5 times and simply sit in the classroom without either participating or listening. This piece is EU legislation prevents some drivers working on a part time basis and making a contribution to the UK economy. I do not drive for a living so the impact on me is small but what about retired drivers wanting to earn extra cash or hauliers who may be short staffed. ?
Well that something I didn't know so some drivers end up working longer hours down to EU bureaucracy which stops part time relief drivers taking up some of the strain?"
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"On the tourism question
28 Billion was spent by tourists visiting the U.K. last year.
In 2018 U.K. tourists spent 45Billion abroad
Assuming no growth in U.K. spending last year currency the 20% currency will cost U.K. residents and extra £3billion if you just use the balance but £9Billion if you use the gross figure.
Very crude I know but either way it’s costing GB more and EU citizens less. Eu citizens may increase their visits but I think our anti EU stance will put a lot more off!
On housing, the crash reduced Spanish properties by up to 60% in the less expensive retirement home areas. The prices have improved but are still way off where they were so I doubt any currency fluctuations have got a lot of buyers out of the shit. U.K. state pension being worth less by 20% just adds to their woes. Some people retire there on a shoestring and always risk coming unstuck but Brexit has increased the risks for more of those retired folk.
I don't think EU visitors could give 2 f_cks about our EU stance, numbers of visitors rose after the referendum. And on housing, you're assuming that most people bought before the crash aren't you? That was 12 years ago and most I know bought after, as I did as it was the only time I could afford to. I paid half the original price and on current valuation it is worth 35% more than I paid, so like most, quids in. And on average over recent years the UK pension is nowhere near worth 20% less at all. But if you want to look on the negatives of everything to try to justify in your own mind why you voted the way you did then crack on, enjoy yourself "
The pound dropped 20% so the Europeans thought great cheap holiday but the Brexit farce has made their attitude change so we will see over time won’t we. Also the facts are it will cost us more to travel both as individuals and as a country based on the number of journeys made in each direction.
If your pension is paid in U.K. pounds and that has dropped in value by 20% against the Euro how do you argue that their buying power hasn’t dropped 20% ?
You are correct in that bargains were available and in some cases basically stealing properties from desperate sellers.
You only lose on a house when you sell it if you have negative growth so if you don’t need to sell you don’t lose a penny. Remember your house value has gone up but you can’t spend a theoretical value until you sell, defeating the point of the having the house. You can’t live on equity so you’re not quids in with hard cash until that day. Try spending you’re equity in the local Mercadona
So following you’re theory let’s assume those property’s didn’t drop in value at all in the last 12 years and the residents who lived in Spain had their pension and therefore buying power drop 20%.
If they subsequently couldn’t afford their weekly bills they have to sell. It’s ok the houses are worth the same value in euros we paid however long ago it was.
Oh hang on yes they get their money when they sell but have to buy back in the U.K.
not only have prices risen in the U.K. since they’ve been away their euros are worth 20% less so they have far less buying power. Thats a loss in anyone’s calculations.
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"On the tourism question
28 Billion was spent by tourists visiting the U.K. last year.
In 2018 U.K. tourists spent 45Billion abroad
Assuming no growth in U.K. spending last year currency the 20% currency will cost U.K. residents and extra £3billion if you just use the balance but £9Billion if you use the gross figure.
Very crude I know but either way it’s costing GB more and EU citizens less. Eu citizens may increase their visits but I think our anti EU stance will put a lot more off!
On housing, the crash reduced Spanish properties by up to 60% in the less expensive retirement home areas. The prices have improved but are still way off where they were so I doubt any currency fluctuations have got a lot of buyers out of the shit. U.K. state pension being worth less by 20% just adds to their woes. Some people retire there on a shoestring and always risk coming unstuck but Brexit has increased the risks for more of those retired folk.
I don't think EU visitors could give 2 f_cks about our EU stance, numbers of visitors rose after the referendum. And on housing, you're assuming that most people bought before the crash aren't you? That was 12 years ago and most I know bought after, as I did as it was the only time I could afford to. I paid half the original price and on current valuation it is worth 35% more than I paid, so like most, quids in. And on average over recent years the UK pension is nowhere near worth 20% less at all. But if you want to look on the negatives of everything to try to justify in your own mind why you voted the way you did then crack on, enjoy yourself
The pound dropped 20% so the Europeans thought great cheap holiday but the Brexit farce has made their attitude change so we will see over time won’t we. Also the facts are it will cost us more to travel both as individuals and as a country based on the number of journeys made in each direction.
If your pension is paid in U.K. pounds and that has dropped in value by 20% against the Euro how do you argue that their buying power hasn’t dropped 20% ?
You are correct in that bargains were available and in some cases basically stealing properties from desperate sellers.
You only lose on a house when you sell it if you have negative growth so if you don’t need to sell you don’t lose a penny. Remember your house value has gone up but you can’t spend a theoretical value until you sell, defeating the point of the having the house. You can’t live on equity so you’re not quids in with hard cash until that day. Try spending you’re equity in the local Mercadona
So following you’re theory let’s assume those property’s didn’t drop in value at all in the last 12 years and the residents who lived in Spain had their pension and therefore buying power drop 20%.
If they subsequently couldn’t afford their weekly bills they have to sell. It’s ok the houses are worth the same value in euros we paid however long ago it was.
Oh hang on yes they get their money when they sell but have to buy back in the U.K.
not only have prices risen in the U.K. since they’ve been away their euros are worth 20% less so they have far less buying power. Thats a loss in anyone’s calculations.
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"On the tourism question
28 Billion was spent by tourists visiting the U.K. last year.
In 2018 U.K. tourists spent 45Billion abroad
Assuming no growth in U.K. spending last year currency the 20% currency will cost U.K. residents and extra £3billion if you just use the balance but £9Billion if you use the gross figure.
Very crude I know but either way it’s costing GB more and EU citizens less. Eu citizens may increase their visits but I think our anti EU stance will put a lot more off!
On housing, the crash reduced Spanish properties by up to 60% in the less expensive retirement home areas. The prices have improved but are still way off where they were so I doubt any currency fluctuations have got a lot of buyers out of the shit. U.K. state pension being worth less by 20% just adds to their woes. Some people retire there on a shoestring and always risk coming unstuck but Brexit has increased the risks for more of those retired folk.
I don't think EU visitors could give 2 f_cks about our EU stance, numbers of visitors rose after the referendum. And on housing, you're assuming that most people bought before the crash aren't you? That was 12 years ago and most I know bought after, as I did as it was the only time I could afford to. I paid half the original price and on current valuation it is worth 35% more than I paid, so like most, quids in. And on average over recent years the UK pension is nowhere near worth 20% less at all. But if you want to look on the negatives of everything to try to justify in your own mind why you voted the way you did then crack on, enjoy yourself
The pound dropped 20% so the Europeans thought great cheap holiday but the Brexit farce has made their attitude change so we will see over time won’t we. Also the facts are it will cost us more to travel both as individuals and as a country based on the number of journeys made in each direction.
If your pension is paid in U.K. pounds and that has dropped in value by 20% against the Euro how do you argue that their buying power hasn’t dropped 20% ?
You are correct in that bargains were available and in some cases basically stealing properties from desperate sellers.
You only lose on a house when you sell it if you have negative growth so if you don’t need to sell you don’t lose a penny. Remember your house value has gone up but you can’t spend a theoretical value until you sell, defeating the point of the having the house. You can’t live on equity so you’re not quids in with hard cash until that day. Try spending you’re equity in the local Mercadona
So following you’re theory let’s assume those property’s didn’t drop in value at all in the last 12 years and the residents who lived in Spain had their pension and therefore buying power drop 20%.
If they subsequently couldn’t afford their weekly bills they have to sell. It’s ok the houses are worth the same value in euros we paid however long ago it was.
Oh hang on yes they get their money when they sell but have to buy back in the U.K.
not only have prices risen in the U.K. since they’ve been away their euros are worth 20% less so they have far less buying power. Thats a loss in anyone’s calculations.
If the average exchange rate for the last 10 years has been 1.20 and it is now 1.10, how is that a 20% reduction? "
You must know how they work by now mate, take one moment in time that suits you're narrative and keep banging on about it until people think its true. I could say its gone up as it was 1 to 1 in 2008 without a mention of brexit. |
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"On the tourism question
28 Billion was spent by tourists visiting the U.K. last year.
In 2018 U.K. tourists spent 45Billion abroad
Assuming no growth in U.K. spending last year currency the 20% currency will cost U.K. residents and extra £3billion if you just use the balance but £9Billion if you use the gross figure.
Very crude I know but either way it’s costing GB more and EU citizens less. Eu citizens may increase their visits but I think our anti EU stance will put a lot more off!
On housing, the crash reduced Spanish properties by up to 60% in the less expensive retirement home areas. The prices have improved but are still way off where they were so I doubt any currency fluctuations have got a lot of buyers out of the shit. U.K. state pension being worth less by 20% just adds to their woes. Some people retire there on a shoestring and always risk coming unstuck but Brexit has increased the risks for more of those retired folk.
I don't think EU visitors could give 2 f_cks about our EU stance, numbers of visitors rose after the referendum. And on housing, you're assuming that most people bought before the crash aren't you? That was 12 years ago and most I know bought after, as I did as it was the only time I could afford to. I paid half the original price and on current valuation it is worth 35% more than I paid, so like most, quids in. And on average over recent years the UK pension is nowhere near worth 20% less at all. But if you want to look on the negatives of everything to try to justify in your own mind why you voted the way you did then crack on, enjoy yourself
The pound dropped 20% so the Europeans thought great cheap holiday but the Brexit farce has made their attitude change so we will see over time won’t we. Also the facts are it will cost us more to travel both as individuals and as a country based on the number of journeys made in each direction.
If your pension is paid in U.K. pounds and that has dropped in value by 20% against the Euro how do you argue that their buying power hasn’t dropped 20% ?
You are correct in that bargains were available and in some cases basically stealing properties from desperate sellers.
You only lose on a house when you sell it if you have negative growth so if you don’t need to sell you don’t lose a penny. Remember your house value has gone up but you can’t spend a theoretical value until you sell, defeating the point of the having the house. You can’t live on equity so you’re not quids in with hard cash until that day. Try spending you’re equity in the local Mercadona
So following you’re theory let’s assume those property’s didn’t drop in value at all in the last 12 years and the residents who lived in Spain had their pension and therefore buying power drop 20%.
If they subsequently couldn’t afford their weekly bills they have to sell. It’s ok the houses are worth the same value in euros we paid however long ago it was.
Oh hang on yes they get their money when they sell but have to buy back in the U.K.
not only have prices risen in the U.K. since they’ve been away their euros are worth 20% less so they have far less buying power. Thats a loss in anyone’s calculations.
If the average exchange rate for the last 10 years has been 1.20 and it is now 1.10, how is that a 20% reduction? You must know how they work by now mate, take one moment in time that suits you're narrative and keep banging on about it until people think its true. I could say its gone up as it was 1 to 1 in 2008 without a mention of brexit."
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By *ostafunMan
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"Well that’s a depressing read
Add to that list customs procedures are still to be resolved too.
I really don’t think people understand how much of a pain in the arse this is going to be.
It’s the stuff you take for granted that’s going to make you think what the fuck have we done.
Why is it going to be a pain? The trade we do with the rest of the world is already like this so is non EU travel.
The only real negative is going to be cheep labour for low end jobs will stop which will mean wages will have to rise to attract people is that bad?
We do 44% of our trade with the EU and the travel is mostly within 4 hours on a plane from one side to the other . However if we trade with the Far East or America as everyone keep saying will save us. That’s a lot more time along with expensive travel and shipping costs.
Being able to drive through such a massive market is a bonus when we trade so much business so close to home. However now I need extra insurance and a driving permit for each country insisting on one. Also an international drivers permit if I want to drive abroad. Remember that when you hire a car on holiday. Then of course there’s the the visa I need to work on my one or two day trip. They can all have their own rules if no deal on top of this growing list. So it’s a major hassle.
Think you will find if they don’t fill those cheap labour jobs in the factories the jobs will move. They have to stay competitive with the world markets. Especially If as you all say the world markets are our future. Far East average wage are much lower. America have limited workers rights so they just work for whatever’s on offer. Yes some states have a minimum wage but it’s low enough not to bother an employer.
Government said they are working on a replacement for the health insurance card. Wanna bet it’s not got the same cover and your private insurance will have to make up the difference.
If our government wanted the same deal we would have signed up by now it’s that easy,
what countries are insisting on a driving permit,what kind of work are you going to do for one or two days that require a visa?
Third country status follows that you will need an international driving licence unless a country allows special status. 27 to persuade.
The visa requirement to work is mentioned both in the link above and on Martin Lewis website for you to reference.
I have business in Europe so I travel regularly.
Copied and paste below from a law firms release.
In a No-Deal scenario and from January 2021, it is expected that there will be some significant changes to the rules for UK citizens visiting the EU for business purposes (unless the UK and EU member states agree otherwise). UK citizens will be regarded as Third Country visitors, and will be subject to the specific entry rules of each member state they are visiting and some general principles in relation to travel to the EU. The key things that visitors will have to consider are:
The activities which they will be carrying out. The specific activities which are permitted as a visitor vary from member state to member state – therefore it will be important to know in advance if the activities planned for the trip are permitted by the relevant country. Some member states may also require visas to be obtained in advance of travel, or to carry supporting evidence of the reason for travel. Further details on entry requirements for EU countries can be found here.
Having at least 6 months of validity left on their passport on the date of travel. It is a requirement that visitors to Schengen countries must have at least 6 months of validity left on their passport in order to be permitted entry.
Limits to the amount of days which can be spent in the Schengen area. Currently, there is a limit of 90 days’ stay within any 180-day period. For those who travel regularly, it would be advisable to keep a record of the days spent within the Schengen area to ensure that they are not in excess of the limit.
Additional documentation. Upon entry to the EU, border control may request to see further documentation, such as evidence of a return or onward ticket and evidence that they have enough money to support themselves for the duration of their stay. Such visitors will also need to consider taking out travel insurance policies with sufficient healthcare cover as the European Health Insurance Card will no longer provide UK citizens with healthcare benefits in the EU.
It is important for employers to be aware of the changes in relation to visitors who are both in-bound to the UK and out-bound to the EU. The seamless, visa-free travel that businesses have benefitted from will, eventually, come to an end and employers should be aware of the rules and further planning that may be needed under the new business visitor arrangements..
So a pain in the arse is promised without a deal. Even with a deal it’s still a fucking mess.
Im not disputing you MAY need an international driving license what countries have said you will need a driving permit? yes you keep saying you have an international company so what what work do you do for one or two days that you will not be allowed to do?
It’s called an international driving permit and all countries of the Eu are entitled to ask for one of non EU residence if they so choose.
90 out of 180 days gives rise to my comment of allowed work time. Countries are allowed to say erm sorry you have exceeded your allocated allowance would you kindly register for income tax.
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If they choose, i ask you which countries are choosing to ask for one, most countries do not require one if you are driving for under 6 months in their country. Yes i know the 90 out of 180 days rule how does this stop you working one or two days when you go over there to visit your international branch as you stated it would? |
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"It is worth pointing out that some HGV and bus drivers are unable to work because of EU legislation. I currently hold licences to drive both buses and lorries but am unable to drive them in a paid capacity due to the necessity to have a CPC card. To obtain a CPC card you must complete 35 hours training every 5 years. The training is NOT a test of your driving skills or assessment. You could comply with the requirement by attending the same first aid course 5 times and simply sit in the classroom without either participating or listening. This piece is EU legislation prevents some drivers working on a part time basis and making a contribution to the UK economy. I do not drive for a living so the impact on me is small but what about retired drivers wanting to earn extra cash or hauliers who may be short staffed. ?
Well that something I didn't know so some drivers end up working longer hours down to EU bureaucracy which stops part time relief drivers taking up some of the strain?I am afraid that is the reality of EU bureaucracy. On a simplistic basis it prevents you from working which can hardly be good for the economy unless you have a CPC card . "
Actually the Drivers CPC is a good thing as it’s intention was to ensure the drivers get a better understanding of the law around transport and their roles in it. I agree like the Hazardous ADR training it has got too bloated but blame that on the training industry who like to add move to be able to charge more.
No drivers don’t work longer hours than they are legally allowed to. If you work for an average reputable company they pay both for the course and the training even if you’re part time. What you must be doing is odd jobbing across multiple companies so no ones but your responsibility to pay.
If you’re unemployed you can get a grant for the training.
Also the EU legislation around drivers hours is good for safety as the old log books were just wide open for abuse and drivers driving 20 hours a day is not a good thing.
EU legislation also brought in speed limiters to slow the trucks down. Also they unified quality standards along with safety features. Under run bars being one. Anti spray mud guards another. Also they have pushed hard for cleaner engines which are good for us all.,
Older drivers resisted the CPC and retired which has added to the driver shortage. But given the average age of a truck driver is around 57 it’s not going to be long before that shortage number gets very bad. But it’s ok the Eastern European’s are filling the gap. ...oh wait.
Kick start could help the industry but owners are nervous of letting £100k worth of kit loose with an absolute beginner. Not enough money in the job to attract younger recruits. This is one job where pay may improve after Brexit but as I mentioned there was already a driver shortage so it was always on the cards. This is true across Europe. No one wants to be a truck driver. |
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"On the tourism question
28 Billion was spent by tourists visiting the U.K. last year.
In 2018 U.K. tourists spent 45Billion abroad
Assuming no growth in U.K. spending last year currency the 20% currency will cost U.K. residents and extra £3billion if you just use the balance but £9Billion if you use the gross figure.
Very crude I know but either way it’s costing GB more and EU citizens less. Eu citizens may increase their visits but I think our anti EU stance will put a lot more off!
On housing, the crash reduced Spanish properties by up to 60% in the less expensive retirement home areas. The prices have improved but are still way off where they were so I doubt any currency fluctuations have got a lot of buyers out of the shit. U.K. state pension being worth less by 20% just adds to their woes. Some people retire there on a shoestring and always risk coming unstuck but Brexit has increased the risks for more of those retired folk.
I don't think EU visitors could give 2 f_cks about our EU stance, numbers of visitors rose after the referendum. And on housing, you're assuming that most people bought before the crash aren't you? That was 12 years ago and most I know bought after, as I did as it was the only time I could afford to. I paid half the original price and on current valuation it is worth 35% more than I paid, so like most, quids in. And on average over recent years the UK pension is nowhere near worth 20% less at all. But if you want to look on the negatives of everything to try to justify in your own mind why you voted the way you did then crack on, enjoy yourself
The pound dropped 20% so the Europeans thought great cheap holiday but the Brexit farce has made their attitude change so we will see over time won’t we. Also the facts are it will cost us more to travel both as individuals and as a country based on the number of journeys made in each direction.
If your pension is paid in U.K. pounds and that has dropped in value by 20% against the Euro how do you argue that their buying power hasn’t dropped 20% ?
You are correct in that bargains were available and in some cases basically stealing properties from desperate sellers.
You only lose on a house when you sell it if you have negative growth so if you don’t need to sell you don’t lose a penny. Remember your house value has gone up but you can’t spend a theoretical value until you sell, defeating the point of the having the house. You can’t live on equity so you’re not quids in with hard cash until that day. Try spending you’re equity in the local Mercadona
So following you’re theory let’s assume those property’s didn’t drop in value at all in the last 12 years and the residents who lived in Spain had their pension and therefore buying power drop 20%.
If they subsequently couldn’t afford their weekly bills they have to sell. It’s ok the houses are worth the same value in euros we paid however long ago it was.
Oh hang on yes they get their money when they sell but have to buy back in the U.K.
not only have prices risen in the U.K. since they’ve been away their euros are worth 20% less so they have far less buying power. Thats a loss in anyone’s calculations.
If the average exchange rate for the last 10 years has been 1.20 and it is now 1.10, how is that a 20% reduction? You must know how they work by now mate, take one moment in time that suits you're narrative and keep banging on about it until people think its true. I could say its gone up as it was 1 to 1 in 2008 without a mention of brexit.
Exactly. It was 1.16 when I bought my place about 8 - 9 years ago, hardly a great difference from today but still enough to make a little profit on the exchange rate if I chose to sell "
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Well that’s a depressing read
Add to that list customs procedures are still to be resolved too.
I really don’t think people understand how much of a pain in the arse this is going to be.
It’s the stuff you take for granted that’s going to make you think what the fuck have we done.
Why is it going to be a pain? The trade we do with the rest of the world is already like this so is non EU travel.
The only real negative is going to be cheep labour for low end jobs will stop which will mean wages will have to rise to attract people is that bad?
We do 44% of our trade with the EU and the travel is mostly within 4 hours on a plane from one side to the other . However if we trade with the Far East or America as everyone keep saying will save us. That’s a lot more time along with expensive travel and shipping costs.
Being able to drive through such a massive market is a bonus when we trade so much business so close to home. However now I need extra insurance and a driving permit for each country insisting on one. Also an international drivers permit if I want to drive abroad. Remember that when you hire a car on holiday. Then of course there’s the the visa I need to work on my one or two day trip. They can all have their own rules if no deal on top of this growing list. So it’s a major hassle.
Think you will find if they don’t fill those cheap labour jobs in the factories the jobs will move. They have to stay competitive with the world markets. Especially If as you all say the world markets are our future. Far East average wage are much lower. America have limited workers rights so they just work for whatever’s on offer. Yes some states have a minimum wage but it’s low enough not to bother an employer.
Government said they are working on a replacement for the health insurance card. Wanna bet it’s not got the same cover and your private insurance will have to make up the difference.
If our government wanted the same deal we would have signed up by now it’s that easy,
what countries are insisting on a driving permit,what kind of work are you going to do for one or two days that require a visa?
Third country status follows that you will need an international driving licence unless a country allows special status. 27 to persuade.
The visa requirement to work is mentioned both in the link above and on Martin Lewis website for you to reference.
I have business in Europe so I travel regularly.
Copied and paste below from a law firms release.
In a No-Deal scenario and from January 2021, it is expected that there will be some significant changes to the rules for UK citizens visiting the EU for business purposes (unless the UK and EU member states agree otherwise). UK citizens will be regarded as Third Country visitors, and will be subject to the specific entry rules of each member state they are visiting and some general principles in relation to travel to the EU. The key things that visitors will have to consider are:
The activities which they will be carrying out. The specific activities which are permitted as a visitor vary from member state to member state – therefore it will be important to know in advance if the activities planned for the trip are permitted by the relevant country. Some member states may also require visas to be obtained in advance of travel, or to carry supporting evidence of the reason for travel. Further details on entry requirements for EU countries can be found here.
Having at least 6 months of validity left on their passport on the date of travel. It is a requirement that visitors to Schengen countries must have at least 6 months of validity left on their passport in order to be permitted entry.
Limits to the amount of days which can be spent in the Schengen area. Currently, there is a limit of 90 days’ stay within any 180-day period. For those who travel regularly, it would be advisable to keep a record of the days spent within the Schengen area to ensure that they are not in excess of the limit.
Additional documentation. Upon entry to the EU, border control may request to see further documentation, such as evidence of a return or onward ticket and evidence that they have enough money to support themselves for the duration of their stay. Such visitors will also need to consider taking out travel insurance policies with sufficient healthcare cover as the European Health Insurance Card will no longer provide UK citizens with healthcare benefits in the EU.
It is important for employers to be aware of the changes in relation to visitors who are both in-bound to the UK and out-bound to the EU. The seamless, visa-free travel that businesses have benefitted from will, eventually, come to an end and employers should be aware of the rules and further planning that may be needed under the new business visitor arrangements..
So a pain in the arse is promised without a deal. Even with a deal it’s still a fucking mess.
Im not disputing you MAY need an international driving license what countries have said you will need a driving permit? yes you keep saying you have an international company so what what work do you do for one or two days that you will not be allowed to do?
It’s called an international driving permit and all countries of the Eu are entitled to ask for one of non EU residence if they so choose.
90 out of 180 days gives rise to my comment of allowed work time. Countries are allowed to say erm sorry you have exceeded your allocated allowance would you kindly register for income tax.
If they choose, i ask you which countries are choosing to ask for one, most countries do not require one if you are driving for under 6 months in their country. Yes i know the 90 out of 180 days rule how does this stop you working one or two days when you go over there to visit your international branch as you stated it would? "
I didn’t say it stopped me working I said there is more stuff to do to be able to work if I’m over 90 days . Think that pretty clear
Before Brexit I wouldn’t even have to count the days to be aware.
Today I just go to the airport and fly.
I also get to use the EU lane which is quicker usually
I notice no ones defending the cheaper labour argument.
That went quiet when you realise we now don’t have a level playing field .
Will someone please explain if our labour costs are going to increase how that helps us compete around the world such as China and Africa.
Remember that’s what we will benefit from now we are free.
We export high tech, cars and banking to such countries and those industries don’t carry a lot on minimum wage staff do they!
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"It is worth pointing out that some HGV and bus drivers are unable to work because of EU legislation. I currently hold licences to drive both buses and lorries but am unable to drive them in a paid capacity due to the necessity to have a CPC card. To obtain a CPC card you must complete 35 hours training every 5 years. The training is NOT a test of your driving skills or assessment. You could comply with the requirement by attending the same first aid course 5 times and simply sit in the classroom without either participating or listening. This piece is EU legislation prevents some drivers working on a part time basis and making a contribution to the UK economy. I do not drive for a living so the impact on me is small but what about retired drivers wanting to earn extra cash or hauliers who may be short staffed. ?
So? Just do the course."
However no rational person is going to spend hundreds of pounds on a course and 35 hours of their time just to be able to do an agency shift. Doing the course has no relevance to your driving skills - they are not even tested.
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"On the tourism question
28 Billion was spent by tourists visiting the U.K. last year.
In 2018 U.K. tourists spent 45Billion abroad
Assuming no growth in U.K. spending last year currency the 20% currency will cost U.K. residents and extra £3billion if you just use the balance but £9Billion if you use the gross figure.
Very crude I know but either way it’s costing GB more and EU citizens less. Eu citizens may increase their visits but I think our anti EU stance will put a lot more off!
On housing, the crash reduced Spanish properties by up to 60% in the less expensive retirement home areas. The prices have improved but are still way off where they were so I doubt any currency fluctuations have got a lot of buyers out of the shit. U.K. state pension being worth less by 20% just adds to their woes. Some people retire there on a shoestring and always risk coming unstuck but Brexit has increased the risks for more of those retired folk.
I don't think EU visitors could give 2 f_cks about our EU stance, numbers of visitors rose after the referendum. And on housing, you're assuming that most people bought before the crash aren't you? That was 12 years ago and most I know bought after, as I did as it was the only time I could afford to. I paid half the original price and on current valuation it is worth 35% more than I paid, so like most, quids in. And on average over recent years the UK pension is nowhere near worth 20% less at all. But if you want to look on the negatives of everything to try to justify in your own mind why you voted the way you did then crack on, enjoy yourself
The pound dropped 20% so the Europeans thought great cheap holiday but the Brexit farce has made their attitude change so we will see over time won’t we. Also the facts are it will cost us more to travel both as individuals and as a country based on the number of journeys made in each direction.
If your pension is paid in U.K. pounds and that has dropped in value by 20% against the Euro how do you argue that their buying power hasn’t dropped 20% ?
You are correct in that bargains were available and in some cases basically stealing properties from desperate sellers.
You only lose on a house when you sell it if you have negative growth so if you don’t need to sell you don’t lose a penny. Remember your house value has gone up but you can’t spend a theoretical value until you sell, defeating the point of the having the house. You can’t live on equity so you’re not quids in with hard cash until that day. Try spending you’re equity in the local Mercadona
So following you’re theory let’s assume those property’s didn’t drop in value at all in the last 12 years and the residents who lived in Spain had their pension and therefore buying power drop 20%.
If they subsequently couldn’t afford their weekly bills they have to sell. It’s ok the houses are worth the same value in euros we paid however long ago it was.
Oh hang on yes they get their money when they sell but have to buy back in the U.K.
not only have prices risen in the U.K. since they’ve been away their euros are worth 20% less so they have far less buying power. Thats a loss in anyone’s calculations.
If the average exchange rate for the last 10 years has been 1.20 and it is now 1.10, how is that a 20% reduction? You must know how they work by now mate, take one moment in time that suits you're narrative and keep banging on about it until people think its true. I could say its gone up as it was 1 to 1 in 2008 without a mention of brexit."
Let’s start from 1999/2000 the start of the Euro to make it fair.
Before 2008 your Euro would have got you 65-70p
The banking crises hit the U.K. hard as we had all the banks that needed baking out.
Your pound then got you 85-90p
That crises like Covid was unplanned.
Over the next 7 years 2015 with austerity and takeovers and trade recovering etc the average was gradually brought back down to 70p getting close to levels before the crash .
2916 Brexit to present your euro now gets you 85-90p. No sign of it reducing.
There you use all the dates and you get the same result .
The exchange rate makes you worse off if you’re holding sterling since Brexit.
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"It is worth pointing out that some HGV and bus drivers are unable to work because of EU legislation. I currently hold licences to drive both buses and lorries but am unable to drive them in a paid capacity due to the necessity to have a CPC card. To obtain a CPC card you must complete 35 hours training every 5 years. The training is NOT a test of your driving skills or assessment. You could comply with the requirement by attending the same first aid course 5 times and simply sit in the classroom without either participating or listening. This piece is EU legislation prevents some drivers working on a part time basis and making a contribution to the UK economy. I do not drive for a living so the impact on me is small but what about retired drivers wanting to earn extra cash or hauliers who may be short staffed. ?
So? Just do the course. However no rational person is going to spend hundreds of pounds on a course and 35 hours of their time just to be able to do an agency shift. Doing the course has no relevance to your driving skills - they are not even tested.
I am all in favour of acquiring new skills However this should not be made compulsory by the EU , we can all devise our own education plan in life. "
Were that the case the world would be a better place. Unfortunately we all overestimate our own abilities. We all think we are good drivers, we all think we have a great sense of humour, we all think we have enough knowledge to do our job etc.
Thing is we all have a tendency to be inherently lazy too, especially when it comes to things we don't want to do, or things that conflict with our self image.
Sometimes people don't do the right thing so we have to regulate so they are forced to.
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"It is worth pointing out that some HGV and bus drivers are unable to work because of EU legislation. I currently hold licences to drive both buses and lorries but am unable to drive them in a paid capacity due to the necessity to have a CPC card. To obtain a CPC card you must complete 35 hours training every 5 years. The training is NOT a test of your driving skills or assessment. You could comply with the requirement by attending the same first aid course 5 times and simply sit in the classroom without either participating or listening. This piece is EU legislation prevents some drivers working on a part time basis and making a contribution to the UK economy. I do not drive for a living so the impact on me is small but what about retired drivers wanting to earn extra cash or hauliers who may be short staffed. ?
Well that something I didn't know so some drivers end up working longer hours down to EU bureaucracy which stops part time relief drivers taking up some of the strain?I am afraid that is the reality of EU bureaucracy. On a simplistic basis it prevents you from working which can hardly be good for the economy unless you have a CPC card .
Actually the Drivers CPC is a good thing as it’s intention was to ensure the drivers get a better understanding of the law around transport and their roles in it. I agree like the Hazardous ADR training it has got too bloated but blame that on the training industry who like to add move to be able to charge more.
No drivers don’t work longer hours than they are legally allowed to. If you work for an average reputable company they pay both for the course and the training even if you’re part time. What you must be doing is odd jobbing across multiple companies so no ones but your responsibility to pay.
If you’re unemployed you can get a grant for the training.
Also the EU legislation around drivers hours is good for safety as the old log books were just wide open for abuse and drivers driving 20 hours a day is not a good thing.
EU legislation also brought in speed limiters to slow the trucks down. Also they unified quality standards along with safety features. Under run bars being one. Anti spray mud guards another. Also they have pushed hard for cleaner engines which are good for us all.,
Older drivers resisted the CPC and retired which has added to the driver shortage. But given the average age of a truck driver is around 57 it’s not going to be long before that shortage number gets very bad. But it’s ok the Eastern European’s are filling the gap. ...oh wait.
Kick start could help the industry but owners are nervous of letting £100k worth of kit loose with an absolute beginner. Not enough money in the job to attract younger recruits. This is one job where pay may improve after Brexit but as I mentioned there was already a driver shortage so it was always on the cards. This is true across Europe. No one wants to be a truck driver. "
Hello. Any system is open to abuse. I am not certain if we can credit the EU with preventing drivers hours abuse. In the modern world the old log books would have been replaced regardless of the EU. The current recording system is still open to manipulation, a digital system does not necessary prevent abuse , it may just make it more difficult or change the manner in which the abuse takes place. With advances in engine management systems, regardless of the EU , few companies would want to take the risk of losing their operators licence by allowing drivers to exceed permitted driving hours. In any event vehicle movements will be monitored via both telematics and cameras placed at a number of strategic locations in the vehicle.
Even if a company pays for a CPC course it is still a cost both in terms of having to pay for the course and loss of working hours as you do not make any revenue while doing nothing . The same applies to any grant given by the government. Are the grants means tested?
I would disagree that not many young people want to join the haulage industry. If you look at one of the drivers forums, you will see many young people asking for guidance and advance on tests. In the old days the stumbling block used to be mastering a range change gearbox and reversing, with the advert of full automatic gearboxes , the only real stumbling block is reversing which can be a difficult skill to master on artics . Reversring a tri axle trailer tends to be easier than a double axle one. |
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"It is worth pointing out that some HGV and bus drivers are unable to work because of EU legislation. I currently hold licences to drive both buses and lorries but am unable to drive them in a paid capacity due to the necessity to have a CPC card. To obtain a CPC card you must complete 35 hours training every 5 years. The training is NOT a test of your driving skills or assessment. You could comply with the requirement by attending the same first aid course 5 times and simply sit in the classroom without either participating or listening. This piece is EU legislation prevents some drivers working on a part time basis and making a contribution to the UK economy. I do not drive for a living so the impact on me is small but what about retired drivers wanting to earn extra cash or hauliers who may be short staffed. ?
Well that something I didn't know so some drivers end up working longer hours down to EU bureaucracy which stops part time relief drivers taking up some of the strain?I am afraid that is the reality of EU bureaucracy. On a simplistic basis it prevents you from working which can hardly be good for the economy unless you have a CPC card .
Actually the Drivers CPC is a good thing as it’s intention was to ensure the drivers get a better understanding of the law around transport and their roles in it. I agree like the Hazardous ADR training it has got too bloated but blame that on the training industry who like to add move to be able to charge more.
No drivers don’t work longer hours than they are legally allowed to. If you work for an average reputable company they pay both for the course and the training even if you’re part time. What you must be doing is odd jobbing across multiple companies so no ones but your responsibility to pay.
If you’re unemployed you can get a grant for the training.
Also the EU legislation around drivers hours is good for safety as the old log books were just wide open for abuse and drivers driving 20 hours a day is not a good thing.
EU legislation also brought in speed limiters to slow the trucks down. Also they unified quality standards along with safety features. Under run bars being one. Anti spray mud guards another. Also they have pushed hard for cleaner engines which are good for us all.,
Older drivers resisted the CPC and retired which has added to the driver shortage. But given the average age of a truck driver is around 57 it’s not going to be long before that shortage number gets very bad. But it’s ok the Eastern European’s are filling the gap. ...oh wait.
Kick start could help the industry but owners are nervous of letting £100k worth of kit loose with an absolute beginner. Not enough money in the job to attract younger recruits. This is one job where pay may improve after Brexit but as I mentioned there was already a driver shortage so it was always on the cards. This is true across Europe. No one wants to be a truck driver. Hello. Any system is open to abuse. I am not certain if we can credit the EU with preventing drivers hours abuse. In the modern world the old log books would have been replaced regardless of the EU. The current recording system is still open to manipulation, a digital system does not necessary prevent abuse , it may just make it more difficult or change the manner in which the abuse takes place. With advances in engine management systems, regardless of the EU , few companies would want to take the risk of losing their operators licence by allowing drivers to exceed permitted driving hours. In any event vehicle movements will be monitored via both telematics and cameras placed at a number of strategic locations in the vehicle.
Even if a company pays for a CPC course it is still a cost both in terms of having to pay for the course and loss of working hours as you do not make any revenue while doing nothing . The same applies to any grant given by the government. Are the grants means tested?
I would disagree that not many young people want to join the haulage industry. If you look at one of the drivers forums, you will see many young people asking for guidance and advance on tests. In the old days the stumbling block used to be mastering a range change gearbox and reversing, with the advert of full automatic gearboxes , the only real stumbling block is reversing which can be a difficult skill to master on artics . Reversring a tri axle trailer tends to be easier than a double axle one.
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"Soooooo
107 posts later where's my brexit benefit coming from ?"
For something so amazing there appears to be a distinct lack of tangible benefits, that’s for sure.
It’s almost like stubborn pride is preventing people from acknowledging what a complete fuck up it is. |
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By *ackal1Couple
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"It is worth pointing out that some HGV and bus drivers are unable to work because of EU legislation. I currently hold licences to drive both buses and lorries but am unable to drive them in a paid capacity due to the necessity to have a CPC card. To obtain a CPC card you must complete 35 hours training every 5 years. The training is NOT a test of your driving skills or assessment. You could comply with the requirement by attending the same first aid course 5 times and simply sit in the classroom without either participating or listening. This piece is EU legislation prevents some drivers working on a part time basis and making a contribution to the UK economy. I do not drive for a living so the impact on me is small but what about retired drivers wanting to earn extra cash or hauliers who may be short staffed. ?
Well that something I didn't know so some drivers end up working longer hours down to EU bureaucracy which stops part time relief drivers taking up some of the strain?I am afraid that is the reality of EU bureaucracy. On a simplistic basis it prevents you from working which can hardly be good for the economy unless you have a CPC card .
Actually the Drivers CPC is a good thing as it’s intention was to ensure the drivers get a better understanding of the law around transport and their roles in it. I agree like the Hazardous ADR training it has got too bloated but blame that on the training industry who like to add move to be able to charge more.
No drivers don’t work longer hours than they are legally allowed to. If you work for an average reputable company they pay both for the course and the training even if you’re part time. What you must be doing is odd jobbing across multiple companies so no ones but your responsibility to pay.
If you’re unemployed you can get a grant for the training.
Also the EU legislation around drivers hours is good for safety as the old log books were just wide open for abuse and drivers driving 20 hours a day is not a good thing.
EU legislation also brought in speed limiters to slow the trucks down. Also they unified quality standards along with safety features. Under run bars being one. Anti spray mud guards another. Also they have pushed hard for cleaner engines which are good for us all.,
Older drivers resisted the CPC and retired which has added to the driver shortage. But given the average age of a truck driver is around 57 it’s not going to be long before that shortage number gets very bad. But it’s ok the Eastern European’s are filling the gap. ...oh wait.
Kick start could help the industry but owners are nervous of letting £100k worth of kit loose with an absolute beginner. Not enough money in the job to attract younger recruits. This is one job where pay may improve after Brexit but as I mentioned there was already a driver shortage so it was always on the cards. This is true across Europe. No one wants to be a truck driver. Hello. Any system is open to abuse. I am not certain if we can credit the EU with preventing drivers hours abuse. In the modern world the old log books would have been replaced regardless of the EU. The current recording system is still open to manipulation, a digital system does not necessary prevent abuse , it may just make it more difficult or change the manner in which the abuse takes place. With advances in engine management systems, regardless of the EU , few companies would want to take the risk of losing their operators licence by allowing drivers to exceed permitted driving hours. In any event vehicle movements will be monitored via both telematics and cameras placed at a number of strategic locations in the vehicle.
Even if a company pays for a CPC course it is still a cost both in terms of having to pay for the course and loss of working hours as you do not make any revenue while doing nothing . The same applies to any grant given by the government. Are the grants means tested?
I would disagree that not many young people want to join the haulage industry. If you look at one of the drivers forums, you will see many young people asking for guidance and advance on tests. In the old days the stumbling block used to be mastering a range change gearbox and reversing, with the advert of full automatic gearboxes , the only real stumbling block is reversing which can be a difficult skill to master on artics . Reversring a tri axle trailer tends to be easier than a double axle one. "
The development of less polluting trucks was done with the support of the U.K. but mostly technically done in Europe as that’s where the trucks are made.
We were part of the discussion so yes we were involved.
Tachographs we’re resisted by industry leaders (mostly owners) as they said it will hurt flexibility.
It’s stopped drivers being exhausted . Again the U.K. government were part of that legislation being introduced so we can’t blame anyone.
Regarding drivers hours the move to allowing 15 hour spread overs was initially abused as most drivers thought that could work 15 hours every day . Well they knew they couldn’t and pretended they didn’t know. Enforcement was difficult with cut off switches common in cabins for the tachos.
In any case if you wrote in tne back each day accident or mistake then the wheel tappers VOSA would be happy.
Electronic card systems can be abused but are more difficult to bypass and to hide.
It’s reduced abuse. Along with as you say telematics and cameras.
Training does cost but I don’t want a surgeon taking out my appendix if he hasn’t been trained. Also I don’t want an ill educated truck driver barrelling down the road with a 44ton killing machine that he hasn’t loaded properly or checked the safely on with how walk around in the morning.
As I mentioned the training schools do pad these courses out.
The ADR used to take two days then four days over the weekend and now I think it’s a week or so.
You don’t need that long to work out if the load of chemicals are on fire you call tne fire brigade and get everyone away. The teaching on how you use a fire extinguisher is great if you’ve set fire to you dinner or maybe a little sparking electrics but you don’t fight a truck fire you get away.
Automatic gearboxes were a godsend for owners as they eliminated the bad driver element from using too much fuel.
In the days of range change and splitter boxes the driver could rev the tits of a 12 litre engine gaining 4-5 miles to the gallon .
Automatic trucks stopped him doing that and MPG started hitting 9-10.
It was announced as a drivers aide but the owners loved them more
Driving an attic isn’t difficult with practice but you have to anticipate far more than a car driver.
Reversing is easy with space and practice .
Driving is the easiest bit of the job it’s the just in time stuff loading problems cancelled loads traffic oh and limited facilities for drivers resulting in parking in lay byes having no showers or toilets and limited access to lorry parks. No I don’t think the Brexit parks will help.
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"Johnson has refused to announce an extension to the £20 increase in universal credit, which means families are going to be about a grand worse off a year."
Is that a Brexit bonus or just Tories being cunts? |
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By *ackal1Couple
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"Fuck me! All the moaning on here; you'd think we weren't going to spend an extra £16.5bn on defence!
Rejoice! LOL"
Good that may fill the £13Billion funding hole the MOD has.
Oh wait no it’s not for ships and tanks it’s cyber .
We definitely need better cyber police . The trump and Brexit polls showed that.
Btw what happens to that Russian interference enquiry ? Shhh
Seriously I agree it’s a good thing and like the wind farms will create jobs but as it’s tech I’m not sure it will be many. But still it’s positive .
But it’s ok we have just put a tender out to build 3 supply ships for the navy including bids from other countries .
Why are we including other countries?? Surely we can build those here ?? FFS
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"Johnson has refused to announce an extension to the £20 increase in universal credit, which means families are going to be about a grand worse off a year.
Is that a Brexit bonus or just Tories being cunts?"
Bit of both?
Rumours the minimum wage will be froze also |
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"Fuck me! All the moaning on here; you'd think we weren't going to spend an extra £16.5bn on defence!
Rejoice! LOL
Good that may fill the £13Billion funding hole the MOD has.
Oh wait no it’s not for ships and tanks it’s cyber .
We definitely need better cyber police . The trump and Brexit polls showed that.
Btw what happens to that Russian interference enquiry ? Shhh
Seriously I agree it’s a good thing and like the wind farms will create jobs but as it’s tech I’m not sure it will be many. But still it’s positive .
But it’s ok we have just put a tender out to build 3 supply ships for the navy including bids from other countries .
Why are we including other countries?? Surely we can build those here ?? FFS
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Perhaps other countries can do it cheaper? |
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By *ackal1Couple
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"Fuck me! All the moaning on here; you'd think we weren't going to spend an extra £16.5bn on defence!
Rejoice! LOL
Good that may fill the £13Billion funding hole the MOD has.
Oh wait no it’s not for ships and tanks it’s cyber .
We definitely need better cyber police . The trump and Brexit polls showed that.
Btw what happens to that Russian interference enquiry ? Shhh
Seriously I agree it’s a good thing and like the wind farms will create jobs but as it’s tech I’m not sure it will be many. But still it’s positive .
But it’s ok we have just put a tender out to build 3 supply ships for the navy including bids from other countries .
Why are we including other countries?? Surely we can build those here ?? FFS
Perhaps other countries can do it cheaper?"
And ???
So we give another country our governments taxpayers money that they will keep and spend in that country.
We spend it in the U.K. it all stays in tne U.K. .
Conditional on the owner being British of course but even if not the construction jobs will be in the U.K. .
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"Johnson has refused to announce an extension to the £20 increase in universal credit, which means families are going to be about a grand worse off a year.
Is that a Brexit bonus or just Tories being cunts?"
It makes no difference. The £20 to which you refer was to offset the impact of Covid 19. It was never intended to be a long term benefits increase. |
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"Fuck me! All the moaning on here; you'd think we weren't going to spend an extra £16.5bn on defence!
Rejoice! LOL
Good that may fill the £13Billion funding hole the MOD has.
Oh wait no it’s not for ships and tanks it’s cyber .
We definitely need better cyber police . The trump and Brexit polls showed that.
Btw what happens to that Russian interference enquiry ? Shhh
Seriously I agree it’s a good thing and like the wind farms will create jobs but as it’s tech I’m not sure it will be many. But still it’s positive .
But it’s ok we have just put a tender out to build 3 supply ships for the navy including bids from other countries .
Why are we including other countries?? Surely we can build those here ?? FFS
Perhaps other countries can do it cheaper?
And ???
So we give another country our governments taxpayers money that they will keep and spend in that country.
We spend it in the U.K. it all stays in tne U.K. .
Conditional on the owner being British of course but even if not the construction jobs will be in the U.K. .
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Fuck me! All the moaning on here; you'd think we weren't going to spend an extra £16.5bn on defence!
Rejoice! LOL
Good that may fill the £13Billion funding hole the MOD has.
Oh wait no it’s not for ships and tanks it’s cyber .
We definitely need better cyber police . The trump and Brexit polls showed that.
Btw what happens to that Russian interference enquiry ? Shhh
Seriously I agree it’s a good thing and like the wind farms will create jobs but as it’s tech I’m not sure it will be many. But still it’s positive .
But it’s ok we have just put a tender out to build 3 supply ships for the navy including bids from other countries .
Why are we including other countries?? Surely we can build those here ?? FFS
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At the moment we are still following eu rules so have to put any job out to tender to other countries.They should have waited until 1st jan. |
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"Fuck me! All the moaning on here; you'd think we weren't going to spend an extra £16.5bn on defence!
Rejoice! LOL
Good that may fill the £13Billion funding hole the MOD has.
Oh wait no it’s not for ships and tanks it’s cyber .
We definitely need better cyber police . The trump and Brexit polls showed that.
Btw what happens to that Russian interference enquiry ? Shhh
Seriously I agree it’s a good thing and like the wind farms will create jobs but as it’s tech I’m not sure it will be many. But still it’s positive .
But it’s ok we have just put a tender out to build 3 supply ships for the navy including bids from other countries .
Why are we including other countries?? Surely we can build those here ?? FFS
At the moment we are still following eu rules so have to put any job out to tender to other countries.They should have waited until 1st jan."
Its only an announcement for now I presume that is what they will do its only just over 6 weeks to the new year. |
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"Fuck me! All the moaning on here; you'd think we weren't going to spend an extra £16.5bn on defence!
Rejoice! LOL
Good that may fill the £13Billion funding hole the MOD has.
Oh wait no it’s not for ships and tanks it’s cyber .
We definitely need better cyber police . The trump and Brexit polls showed that.
Btw what happens to that Russian interference enquiry ? Shhh
Seriously I agree it’s a good thing and like the wind farms will create jobs but as it’s tech I’m not sure it will be many. But still it’s positive .
But it’s ok we have just put a tender out to build 3 supply ships for the navy including bids from other countries .
Why are we including other countries?? Surely we can build those here ?? FFS
At the moment we are still following eu rules so have to put any job out to tender to other countries.They should have waited until 1st jan.
Its only an announcement for now I presume that is what they will do its only just over 6 weeks to the new year. "
There was an announcement back in mid October about this £1.5 billion contract... international companies will be invited to tender however there are some caveats
Here’s some of the info,
“ A competition to build three Fleet Solid Support warships – which will launch in Spring 2021 – will help revitalise British shipbuilding by requiring a significant proportion of the build and assembly work to be carried out in the UK.
International companies will be invited to work in collaboration with UK firms to feed in their skills and expertise, but the successful manufacturing team must be led by a British company. This will have a huge impact on the local economies across the UK where shipbuilding is a prominent feature.
Hundreds of highly skilled jobs will be created as a direct result of today’s announcement, with many more in small and medium sized enterprises throughout the supply chain for the new builds to follow over the next few years.”
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By *ackal1Couple
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"Fuck me! All the moaning on here; you'd think we weren't going to spend an extra £16.5bn on defence!
Rejoice! LOL
Good that may fill the £13Billion funding hole the MOD has.
Oh wait no it’s not for ships and tanks it’s cyber .
We definitely need better cyber police . The trump and Brexit polls showed that.
Btw what happens to that Russian interference enquiry ? Shhh
Seriously I agree it’s a good thing and like the wind farms will create jobs but as it’s tech I’m not sure it will be many. But still it’s positive .
But it’s ok we have just put a tender out to build 3 supply ships for the navy including bids from other countries .
Why are we including other countries?? Surely we can build those here ?? FFS
At the moment we are still following eu rules so have to put any job out to tender to other countries.They should have waited until 1st jan.
Its only an announcement for now I presume that is what they will do its only just over 6 weeks to the new year.
There was an announcement back in mid October about this £1.5 billion contract... international companies will be invited to tender however there are some caveats
Here’s some of the info,
“ A competition to build three Fleet Solid Support warships – which will launch in Spring 2021 – will help revitalise British shipbuilding by requiring a significant proportion of the build and assembly work to be carried out in the UK.
International companies will be invited to work in collaboration with UK firms to feed in their skills and expertise, but the successful manufacturing team must be led by a British company. This will have a huge impact on the local economies across the UK where shipbuilding is a prominent feature.
Hundreds of highly skilled jobs will be created as a direct result of today’s announcement, with many more in small and medium sized enterprises throughout the supply chain for the new builds to follow over the next few years.”
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That’s all well and I agree good to read but again why not wait until the 1st jan and say right 100% U.K. workers or piss off. This has got to be something brexiteers should be screaming a this.
I know some parts will need to be imported but when they say hundreds of new jobs and lead by a British team I’m dubious . It’s all a bit vague again .
Throughout history our governments have history of fudging this stuff.
Give it to our shipyards and be done. I know international supplies will be involved to but that’s buying parts! |
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