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"Scummins gone
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Trump gone
BoZo on the ropes
Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumed"
Well we will probably get a deal
The deal will very likely cost the UK far in excess of what it cost to be a full member of the EU
Never mind, we'll be free to do whatever they tell us with absolutely no input into the rules we will need to obey to get our "free trade deal"
God help the young people that will eventually have to fix this shit |
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"Scummins gone
Vaccine close
Trump gone
BoZo on the ropes
Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumedLeaving the EU is the best news no going back "
Correct, leaving the EU was the best. If we could just get rid of Boris and the tories now. |
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"Scummins gone
Vaccine close
Trump gone
BoZo on the ropes
Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumedLeaving the EU is the best news no going back "
Why ?
Still waiting for that elusive answer. |
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"Scummins gone
Vaccine close
Trump gone
BoZo on the ropes
Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumed"
However Cummings was not even an MP and was due to leave at the end of December in any event. On a simplistic basis he left his job six weeks earlier than expected.
Trump was good for the American economy, just look at the performance of numerous USA companies such as the Deere Corporation .
The vaccine is good news assuming that there are no side effects.
We can safely assume that the Conservative party will be in power for 4 more years. Even if Boris stepped down , there are plenty of candidates to take his place , all of whom are extremely capable.  |
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"Scummins gone
Vaccine close
Trump gone
BoZo on the ropes
Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumed However Cummings was not even an MP and was due to leave at the end of December in any event. On a simplistic basis he left his job six weeks earlier than expected.
Trump was good for the American economy, just look at the performance of numerous USA companies such as the Deere Corporation .
The vaccine is good news assuming that there are no side effects.
We can safely assume that the Conservative party will be in power for 4 more years. Even if Boris stepped down , there are plenty of candidates to take his place , all of whom are extremely capable. "
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"Scummins gone
Vaccine close
Trump gone
BoZo on the ropes
Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumed However Cummings was not even an MP and was due to leave at the end of December in any event. On a simplistic basis he left his job six weeks earlier than expected.
Trump was good for the American economy, just look at the performance of numerous USA companies such as the Deere Corporation .
The vaccine is good news assuming that there are no side effects.
We can safely assume that the Conservative party will be in power for 4 more years. Even if Boris stepped down , there are plenty of candidates to take his place , all of whom are extremely capable.
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Doesn't matter. the tory party is now the brexit party, all the non believers in the Brexit cult have been purged. We're at the situation now where Jeremy Hunt is on the left of the parliamentary party. Your remaining choices are like picking between Genghis Khan, Vlad the Impaler and Hitler. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Scummins gone
Vaccine close
Trump gone
BoZo on the ropes
Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumedLeaving the EU is the best news no going back
Correct, leaving the EU was the best. If we could just get rid of Boris and the tories now."
The main objective of Brexit is for Boris, the Tories and their mates to get richer and more powerful.
There is zero chance of getting rid of them anytime soon. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Scummins gone
Vaccine close
Trump gone
BoZo on the ropes
Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumed However Cummings was not even an MP and was due to leave at the end of December in any event. On a simplistic basis he left his job six weeks earlier than expected.
Trump was good for the American economy, just look at the performance of numerous USA companies such as the Deere Corporation .
The vaccine is good news assuming that there are no side effects.
We can safely assume that the Conservative party will be in power for 4 more years. Even if Boris stepped down , there are plenty of candidates to take his place , all of whom are extremely capable.
Name 3
Doesn't matter. the tory party is now the brexit party, all the non believers in the Brexit cult have been purged. We're at the situation now where Jeremy Hunt is on the left of the parliamentary party. Your remaining choices are like picking between Genghis Khan, Vlad the Impaler and Hitler."
Genghis and Vlad were more tolerant than most Tory front benchers. |
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"Isnt anyone going to ask about the good reasons for leaving the EU today ?  "
I understand why people are frustrated and ask. But the reality is, it's just a stick to bash leavers with. There are no logical reasons for leaving, and yes it's frustrating that the country has been voted into a cluster fuck and it's an epic waste of hundreds of billions of pounds etc etc.
As we're now past the point of no return. All there is left is to make fun of people who are still clinging to the Brexit dream.
I'm just as guilty of this as much as the next person. Should really stop.
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"Isnt anyone going to ask about the good reasons for leaving the EU today ?
No point, we never get a credible answer "
The best we have was the chap whose friend voted leave because she didn't like her Polish neighbors. |
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"Scummins gone
Vaccine close
Trump gone
BoZo on the ropes
Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumed However Cummings was not even an MP and was due to leave at the end of December in any event. On a simplistic basis he left his job six weeks earlier than expected.
Trump was good for the American economy, just look at the performance of numerous USA companies such as the Deere Corporation .
The vaccine is good news assuming that there are no side effects.
We can safely assume that the Conservative party will be in power for 4 more years. Even if Boris stepped down , there are plenty of candidates to take his place , all of whom are extremely capable.
Name 3
Doesn't matter. the tory party is now the brexit party, all the non believers in the Brexit cult have been purged. We're at the situation now where Jeremy Hunt is on the left of the parliamentary party. Your remaining choices are like picking between Genghis Khan, Vlad the Impaler and Hitler."
Exactly, the Pro Brexit talent pool isn’t very deep. I am certainly no Tory supporter but they have better candidates who aren’t ‘Brexit fanatics’ that can replace the current government. I think once Brexit is ‘done ‘ the Torys can move on with a new leader and cabinet |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"Isnt anyone going to ask about the good reasons for leaving the EU today ?
I understand why people are frustrated and ask. But the reality is, it's just a stick to bash leavers with. There are no logical reasons for leaving, and yes it's frustrating that the country has been voted into a cluster fuck and it's an epic waste of hundreds of billions of pounds etc etc.
As we're now past the point of no return. All there is left is to make fun of people who are still clinging to the Brexit dream.
I'm just as guilty of this as much as the next person. Should really stop.
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Cargo cults are marked by a number of common characteristics, including a "myth-dream" that is a synthesis of indigenous and foreign elements; the expectation of help from the ancestors; charismatic leaders; and lastly, belief in the appearance of an abundance of goods https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult
Any of this sound familiar? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Isnt anyone going to ask about the good reasons for leaving the EU today ?
No point, we never get a credible answer
The best we have was the chap whose friend voted leave because she didn't like her Polish neighbors."
That was a good one, you can’t beat a bit of casual racisms to try and prove a point |
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"Isnt anyone going to ask about the good reasons for leaving the EU today ?
Doesn't matter lol - they ask and when you give them they totally (conveniently) ignore them.  "
Really? You obviously can’t read, can you highlight the list of reasons that have been put forward and ignored |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"Isnt anyone going to ask about the good reasons for leaving the EU today ?
Doesn't matter lol - they ask and when you give them they totally (conveniently) ignore them.
Really? You obviously can’t read, can you highlight the list of reasons that have been put forward and ignored "
I did - on the other thread And there comes the name calling how very useful to any adult discussion !!! |
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"Isnt anyone going to ask about the good reasons for leaving the EU today ?
Doesn't matter lol - they ask and when you give them they totally (conveniently) ignore them.
Really? You obviously can’t read, can you highlight the list of reasons that have been put forward and ignored
I did - on the other thread And there comes the name calling how very useful to any adult discussion !!!"
Name calling? Which other thread? I will have a look? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Scummins gone
Vaccine close
Trump gone
BoZo on the ropes
Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumed However Cummings was not even an MP and was due to leave at the end of December in any event. On a simplistic basis he left his job six weeks earlier than expected.
Trump was good for the American economy, just look at the performance of numerous USA companies such as the Deere Corporation .
The vaccine is good news assuming that there are no side effects.
We can safely assume that the Conservative party will be in power for 4 more years. Even if Boris stepped down , there are plenty of candidates to take his place , all of whom are extremely capable. "
Maybe so but it's how they approach the economic mess that'll count also come next GE Tories would have been in for 14 years & that's usually enough for any government. Can see a Labour largest party result come 2024 or would a new Tory leader attempt to stop Starmer in his tracks taking the top job an call an election in 2022? |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke. |
"Isnt anyone going to ask about the good reasons for leaving the EU today ?
Doesn't matter lol - they ask and when you give them they totally (conveniently) ignore them.
Really? You obviously can’t read, can you highlight the list of reasons that have been put forward and ignored
I did - on the other thread And there comes the name calling how very useful to any adult discussion !!!"
Well. Saying I can't read is kinda' useful and name calling don't you think?
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Well if you didn't read it at the time . . . here's a second chance . . .
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-what-next-reasons-be-positive-eu-referendum-jeremy-corbyn-a7104016.html
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Here's 10 More . . .
One, the EU is a fundamentally protectionist trading bloc
Two, the EU seriously misallocates resources
Three, the EU is a political project that is fundamentally anti-democratic,
Four, is the ‘purposive’ nature of EU law
Five, is the folly of introducing the euro
Six, is the demographic ageing of the EU’s population,
Seven, the EU has inadvertently encouraged regional separatist movements to develop in a number of member states
Eight, is increasing Euroscepticism in the EU
Nine, the EU has been blamed for the tension between Russia and the Ukraine
Ten, there is massive corruption in the EU.
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"Isnt anyone going to ask about the good reasons for leaving the EU today ?
Doesn't matter lol - they ask and when you give them they totally (conveniently) ignore them.
Really? You obviously can’t read, can you highlight the list of reasons that have been put forward and ignored
I did - on the other thread And there comes the name calling how very useful to any adult discussion !!!
Well. Saying I can't read is kinda' useful and name calling don't you think?
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Well if you didn't read it at the time . . . here's a second chance . . .
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-what-next-reasons-be-positive-eu-referendum-jeremy-corbyn-a7104016.html
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Here's 10 More . . .
One, the EU is a fundamentally protectionist trading bloc
Two, the EU seriously misallocates resources
Three, the EU is a political project that is fundamentally anti-democratic,
Four, is the ‘purposive’ nature of EU law
Five, is the folly of introducing the euro
Six, is the demographic ageing of the EU’s population,
Seven, the EU has inadvertently encouraged regional separatist movements to develop in a number of member states
Eight, is increasing Euroscepticism in the EU
Nine, the EU has been blamed for the tension between Russia and the Ukraine
Ten, there is massive corruption in the EU.
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It's good to see someone having a go at this.
These are speculative, subjective, and/or just pieces of information rather than a plus or negative.
But one thing they have in common. None of these are benefits to the UK provided by brexit. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"HAve six more . . .
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-six-best-reasons-to-vote-leave"
These seem like criticisms of the EU rather than benefits to leaving.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Isnt anyone going to ask about the good reasons for leaving the EU today ?
Doesn't matter lol - they ask and when you give them they totally (conveniently) ignore them.
Really? You obviously can’t read, can you highlight the list of reasons that have been put forward and ignored
I did - on the other thread And there comes the name calling how very useful to any adult discussion !!!
Well. Saying I can't read is kinda' useful and name calling don't you think?
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Well if you didn't read it at the time . . . here's a second chance . . .
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-what-next-reasons-be-positive-eu-referendum-jeremy-corbyn-a7104016.html
_____________________________________
Here's 10 More . . .
One, the EU is a fundamentally protectionist trading bloc
Two, the EU seriously misallocates resources
Three, the EU is a political project that is fundamentally anti-democratic,
Four, is the ‘purposive’ nature of EU law
Five, is the folly of introducing the euro
Six, is the demographic ageing of the EU’s population,
Seven, the EU has inadvertently encouraged regional separatist movements to develop in a number of member states
Eight, is increasing Euroscepticism in the EU
Nine, the EU has been blamed for the tension between Russia and the Ukraine
Ten, there is massive corruption in the EU.
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If you think that is name calling then you must be very sensitive . It is an interesting list of reasons and most of them are valid, the EU is far from perfect , but I would rather the UK was still a member with the power to veto or influence the EU rather being on the outside , isolated with no influence at all . |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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You could argue that ANY reasons is speculative from either side at this point in time . . . but you can also see how other countries have traded better than Europe in the last ten years, figures easily found at WTO.
In truth . . .leaving the EU is 'proof-of-pudding kind of thing. The rest is just one argument against anothers argument. Non of it means didly till the oven goes ping.
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"HAve six more . . .
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-six-best-reasons-to-vote-leave
These seem like criticisms of the EU rather than benefits to leaving.
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Another article already pasted in on a previous thread quantifies the Financial benefit of leaving as being up to £800 per family per annum |
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"HAve six more . . .
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-six-best-reasons-to-vote-leave
These seem like criticisms of the EU rather than benefits to leaving.
Another article already pasted in on a previous thread quantifies the Financial benefit of leaving as being up to £800 per family per annum "
When do we get this £800 per annum? |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke. |
"HAve six more . . .
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-six-best-reasons-to-vote-leave
These seem like criticisms of the EU rather than benefits to leaving.
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How so? If they no longer apply to the UK and they are thought to hinder trade and industry in europe than that is an obvious benefit to the UK if we leave it. |
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By *exy7Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"HAve six more . . .
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-six-best-reasons-to-vote-leave
These seem like criticisms of the EU rather than benefits to leaving.
Another article already pasted in on a previous thread quantifies the Financial benefit of leaving as being up to £800 per family per annum "
Is it from the same source as the one that published the 365m?  |
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"You could argue that ANY reasons is speculative from either side at this point in time . . . but you can also see how other countries have traded better than Europe in the last ten years, figures easily found at WTO.
In truth . . .leaving the EU is 'proof-of-pudding kind of thing. The rest is just one argument against anothers argument. Non of it means didly till the oven goes ping.
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Of course, but it could be argued that negative speculation is ‘project fear’ ? |
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By *exy7Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"HAve six more . . .
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-six-best-reasons-to-vote-leave
These seem like criticisms of the EU rather than benefits to leaving.
Another article already pasted in on a previous thread quantifies the Financial benefit of leaving as being up to £800 per family per annum
When do we get this £800 per annum? "
Published by the ‘project wank’ consortium? |
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"You could argue that ANY reasons is speculative from either side at this point in time . . . but you can also see how other countries have traded better than Europe in the last ten years, figures easily found at WTO.
In truth . . .leaving the EU is 'proof-of-pudding kind of thing. The rest is just one argument against anothers argument. Non of it means didly till the oven goes ping.
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The £200 billion hit to the economy in 2020 is fairly solid.
The risk that our safety standards will be negotiated away is fairly solid
The loss of free movement in EU countries is fairly solid.
For sure the EU isn't great. But we were definitely better off inside it, than out. |
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"You could argue that ANY reasons is speculative from either side at this point in time . . . but you can also see how other countries have traded better than Europe in the last ten years, figures easily found at WTO.
In truth . . .leaving the EU is 'proof-of-pudding kind of thing. The rest is just one argument against anothers argument. Non of it means didly till the oven goes ping.
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What others countries have traded better than the EU? And would you say these countries are credible trading partners for the UK? |
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"HAve six more . . .
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-six-best-reasons-to-vote-leave
These seem like criticisms of the EU rather than benefits to leaving.
Another article already pasted in on a previous thread quantifies the Financial benefit of leaving as being up to £800 per family per annum "
This has been debunked at least five times per everytime you post it. |
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"HAve six more . . .
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-six-best-reasons-to-vote-leave
These seem like criticisms of the EU rather than benefits to leaving.
Another article already pasted in on a previous thread quantifies the Financial benefit of leaving as being up to £800 per family per annum
This has been debunked at least five times per everytime you post it."
I just hope I get my £800 for Xmas, |
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"HAve six more . . .
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-six-best-reasons-to-vote-leave
These seem like criticisms of the EU rather than benefits to leaving.
How so? If they no longer apply to the UK and they are thought to hinder trade and industry in europe than that is an obvious benefit to the UK if we leave it."
None of it would seem to outweigh the loss of not being part of the EU trading block.
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"You could argue that ANY reasons is speculative from either side at this point in time . . . but you can also see how other countries have traded better than Europe in the last ten years, figures easily found at WTO.
In truth . . .leaving the EU is 'proof-of-pudding kind of thing. The rest is just one argument against anothers argument. Non of it means didly till the oven goes ping.
Of course, but it could be argued that negative speculation is ‘project fear’ ? "
Give it a name and then demonize it you mean?
That was done from both sides, but that's how Politics has always been, scare the masses into one belief or another. How you respond to it as an individual is up to you however. Talk plainly. Informed. Don't seek to polarise and always remember that your neighbour is still your neighbour - not your enemy - after the event. |
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"HAve six more . . .
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-six-best-reasons-to-vote-leave
These seem like criticisms of the EU rather than benefits to leaving.
Another article already pasted in on a previous thread quantifies the Financial benefit of leaving as being up to £800 per family per annum
This has been debunked at least five times per everytime you post it."
Debunked ? No one is asking you to accept the article , however it gives a detailed explanation of the logic behind the figures and is written by some very distinguished academics . |
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"You could argue that ANY reasons is speculative from either side at this point in time . . . but you can also see how other countries have traded better than Europe in the last ten years, figures easily found at WTO.
In truth . . .leaving the EU is 'proof-of-pudding kind of thing. The rest is just one argument against anothers argument. Non of it means didly till the oven goes ping.
Of course, but it could be argued that negative speculation is ‘project fear’ ?
Give it a name and then demonize it you mean?
That was done from both sides, but that's how Politics has always been, scare the masses into one belief or another. How you respond to it as an individual is up to you however. Talk plainly. Informed. Don't seek to polarise and always remember that your neighbour is still your neighbour - not your enemy - after the event."
So it is possible that the leave campaign won by doing a better job of ‘scaring the masses’? |
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"HAve six more . . .
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-six-best-reasons-to-vote-leave
These seem like criticisms of the EU rather than benefits to leaving.
Another article already pasted in on a previous thread quantifies the Financial benefit of leaving as being up to £800 per family per annum
This has been debunked at least five times per everytime you post it. Debunked ? No one is asking you to accept the article , however it gives a detailed explanation of the logic behind the figures and is written by some very distinguished academics . "
Where was the article published, and who was the author? |
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"HAve six more . . .
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-six-best-reasons-to-vote-leave
These seem like criticisms of the EU rather than benefits to leaving.
Another article already pasted in on a previous thread quantifies the Financial benefit of leaving as being up to £800 per family per annum
This has been debunked at least five times per everytime you post it. Debunked ? No one is asking you to accept the article , however it gives a detailed explanation of the logic behind the figures and is written by some very distinguished academics . "
Indeed, so when will the average family be £800 better off? This year? Next year? And what is being used as a comparative, this years figures, last years figures, or pre referendum figures? |
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"HAve six more . . .
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-six-best-reasons-to-vote-leave
These seem like criticisms of the EU rather than benefits to leaving.
Another article already pasted in on a previous thread quantifies the Financial benefit of leaving as being up to £800 per family per annum
This has been debunked at least five times per everytime you post it. Debunked ? No one is asking you to accept the article , however it gives a detailed explanation of the logic behind the figures and is written by some very distinguished academics .
Where was the article published, and who was the author?"
1969, Dr Zeuss |
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"HAve six more . . .
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-six-best-reasons-to-vote-leave
These seem like criticisms of the EU rather than benefits to leaving.
Another article already pasted in on a previous thread quantifies the Financial benefit of leaving as being up to £800 per family per annum
This has been debunked at least five times per everytime you post it. Debunked ? No one is asking you to accept the article , however it gives a detailed explanation of the logic behind the figures and is written by some very distinguished academics .
Indeed, so when will the average family be £800 better off? This year? Next year? And what is being used as a comparative, this years figures, last years figures, or pre referendum figures? "
So even if this baseless claim was true. And every family was £800 a year better off.
It would take 15 years of continuously being £800 better off just to break even from the £200 billion hit we've taken this year. And that's only if the economy magically, and instantly, stops the Brexit haemorrhage on 1st Jan 2021. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
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So it is possible that the leave campaign won by doing a better job of ‘scaring the masses’? "
Quite possibly. But with other extenuating factors of course - including very many of those listed above. See most of the things listed above are not speculative thinking, they are in fact generally the truth about the way the EU fundamentally operates. Sadly not very democratically most of the time.
Of the Two 'so called' Levels of Democracy within the EU (European Council and the European Parliament) The European Council - unelected members - out 'Politic' the European Parliament - the individual Heads of Member Countries - time and time again. And this has long been the palpable distaste that people have had for the 'fundamental anti-democratic' nature of the EU as it stands now.
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"You could argue that ANY reasons is speculative from either side at this point in time . . . but you can also see how other countries have traded better than Europe in the last ten years, figures easily found at WTO.
In truth . . .leaving the EU is 'proof-of-pudding kind of thing. The rest is just one argument against anothers argument. Non of it means didly till the oven goes ping.
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The issue is that as every day passes the likelihood of a positive outcome any time soon appears to be getting smaller, ideological reasons apart I don't see our or the next generation seeing any benefits.
I couldn't give a stuff about the EU or any of the bullshit politics, but I do think however we have more in common with european citizens than the US, India or any other country.
My loyalty is to the pound in my pocket and the cold hard fact is it was devalued by brexit and it looks as if it will buy less from January.
Again if anyone has evidence that there will be an economic boost please share.
PS my budget needs more than £800 a year to break even next year. |
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So it is possible that the leave campaign won by doing a better job of ‘scaring the masses’?
Quite possibly. But with other extenuating factors of course - including very many of those listed above. See most of the things listed above are not speculative thinking, they are in fact generally the truth about the way the EU fundamentally operates. Sadly not very democratically most of the time.
Of the Two 'so called' Levels of Democracy within the EU (European Council and the European Parliament) The European Council - unelected members - out 'Politic' the European Parliament - the individual Heads of Member Countries - time and time again. And this has long been the palpable distaste that people have had for the 'fundamental anti-democratic' nature of the EU as it stands now.
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I don’t remember reading that on the side of a bus . Joking apart , the 2016 referendum was a sham, both sides lied and in my opinion both sides shouldn’t have been allowed to campaign . They should both have produced their reasons for staying or leaving that were checked and ratified by an independent source, and left it at that. I know that would have been nearly impossible these days with social media etc but if you want a true result then you can’t allow both sides to tell unsubstantiated lies |
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Again if anyone has evidence that there will be an economic boost please share.
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The UK, in particular, has seen little economic benefit from the Single Market. UK goods exports to the 11 fellow founding members of the Single Market have grown over the years 1993-2015 at just 1% pa. Over the same period, UK goods exports to the 111 countries with which it trades under World Trade Organisation (WTO) rules have grown at 2.88% pa, nearly three times faster. This helps to explain why UK exports to the EU has fallen from 60% to 44% of total exports since the Single Market was introduced. Services account for 80% of the UK economy but only 40% of the UK’s exports to the EU are services, amounting to just 5% of GDP. The result is a £28bn services surplus but a £95bn goods deficit with the EU, leaving an overall £67bn trade deficit in 2017. Even strong supporters of the EU, like the Financial Times’ Wolfgang Münchau, concede that the Single Market is ‘not visible in the macro statistics…. the data are telling us a different story – that the Single Market is a giant economic non-event, for both the EU and the UK’.
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I don’t remember reading that on the side of a bus . Joking apart , the 2016 referendum was a sham, both sides lied and in my opinion both sides shouldn’t have been allowed to campaign . They should both have produced their reasons for staying or leaving that were checked and ratified by an independent source, and left it at that. I know that would have been nearly impossible these days with social media etc but if you want a true result then you can’t allow both sides to tell unsubstantiated lies "
I have no argument with that. But until our country is run by a Mature Senate we have to pick the lies from the truth, and the truth from speculation. And unreservedly believe that person-kind is incorruptible.
Somehow I think . . . |
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I don’t remember reading that on the side of a bus . Joking apart , the 2016 referendum was a sham, both sides lied and in my opinion both sides shouldn’t have been allowed to campaign . They should both have produced their reasons for staying or leaving that were checked and ratified by an independent source, and left it at that. I know that would have been nearly impossible these days with social media etc but if you want a true result then you can’t allow both sides to tell unsubstantiated lies
I have no argument with that. But until our country is run by a Mature Senate we have to pick the lies from the truth, and the truth from speculation. And unreservedly believe that person-kind is incorruptible.
Somehow I think . . . "
Exactly, it is a sad state of affairs when the ‘winning ‘ side is the one that told the most believable lies. Time will tell on Brexit, but the fact it is 4 years since the referendum and 6 weeks until the deadline date with no EU trade deal on the table, is a worry . |
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I don’t remember reading that on the side of a bus . Joking apart , the 2016 referendum was a sham, both sides lied and in my opinion both sides shouldn’t have been allowed to campaign . They should both have produced their reasons for staying or leaving that were checked and ratified by an independent source, and left it at that. I know that would have been nearly impossible these days with social media etc but if you want a true result then you can’t allow both sides to tell unsubstantiated lies
I have no argument with that. But until our country is run by a Mature Senate we have to pick the lies from the truth, and the truth from speculation. And unreservedly believe that person-kind is incorruptible.
Somehow I think . . . "
We're stuck with the Lord's for now. And the Tories.
And as of 1st Jan we will no longer have the EU as a layer of protection against these things.
While I also don't like the EU, the structure of the EU and many individual elements of it. There are also some positives.
And I still haven't seen anything that makes me think leaving will in any way benefit the UK. Meanwhile we have taken a huge hit to the economy, and have have lost our freedom of movement within the EU. Plus all the smaller things like the internal "boarder" in Kent for goods vehicles, problems with infringement on the GFA etc. |
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Here's 10 More . . .
One, the EU is a fundamentally protectionist trading bloc
ANSWER - That’s great if your a member but shit if you’re not!
Two, the EU seriously misallocates resources
ANSWER - Such as PPE to dormant companies or do you mean supporting deprived areas like South Wales and Cornwall?
Three, the EU is a political project that is fundamentally anti-democratic,
ANSWER - We had veto over most stuff and had elected Euro MPs. Because the odd votes didn’t always go our way we cry. That’s democracy as you will agree re Brexit.
Four, is the ‘purposive’ nature of EU law. ANSWER - to be able to adapt a law due to language whilst keeping the intent is a good thing in law.
Five, is the folly of introducing the euro. ANSWER - I remember travelling for work with up to six currencies in my pockets. Getting charged every time you go on holiday for your own money is a bad thing. Travelex is a big company. We couldn’t pass the stress test so could salary in anyway. Germany bailed Greece to help them we hid in a cupboard. There was no money to be made by our banks in currency fluctuations. It’s big profits.
Six, is the demographic ageing of the EU’s population,
ANSWER - have you seen the U.K. figures. We are leading the grey brigade!
Seven, the EU has inadvertently encouraged regional separatist movements to develop in a number of member states.
ANSWER - Like the EDL and the Farage racists. Yes we all have them but it’s just us and the Austrians that let them have a say!
Eight, is increasing Euroscepticism in the EU
ANSWER - lead by the U.K. press if you take a look. Obviously unbiased there!!!
Nine, the EU has been blamed for the tension
between Russia and the Ukraine.
Being bold enough to stand up to Russia and its aggression by imposing sanctions is a bad thing ??
Ten, there is massive corruption in the E
ANSWER - I refer to my earlier post on PPE, Jeremy hunt discounted flats . Javid city job. Planning permission queue jumping saving £40m. Race haven status. Expenses on all MPs. We are would leaders in corruption. We just hide it as little perks. I’m doing nothing illegal is the usual answer. Morally bankrupt. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
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Actually. 10 refers to Russia 'foreseeing' that the Ukraine had aims of eventually joining the EU following the 2014 ‘Association Agreement’ with the EU - Russia couldn't contemplate this is any form. Annexation was sure to follow. As such it came before the Sanctions from the EU on Russia's subsequent action. |
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"Scummins gone
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Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumed"
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"The eu is anti democratic yet we have a 2md uneleted parliamentary chamber and a prime minister who tried to ban journalists who they saw as too critical.
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but Lionel the poster said we just got to get back in how do we do that any ideas coz I’m fucked if I know |
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"Scummins gone
Vaccine close
Trump gone
BoZo on the ropes
Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumed and how do you think we do that then another referendom which party are backing that ?"
Whatever party is in power at the time , if there is public support for another referendum both parties will have to promise to hold one otherwise they won’t get elected. Obviously this is totally dependent on how things develop post brexit, if it is a shit storm then I can see the majority of the public pushing to rejoin, it is people who will decide not the politicians |
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"The eu is anti democratic yet we have a 2md uneleted parliamentary chamber and a prime minister who tried to ban journalists who they saw as too critical.
but Lionel the poster said we just got to get back in how do we do that any ideas coz I’m fucked if I know "
We went get back in |
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"Scummins gone
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Trump gone
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Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumed and how do you think we do that then another referendom which party are backing that ?
Whatever party is in power at the time , if there is public support for another referendum both parties will have to promise to hold one otherwise they won’t get elected. Obviously this is totally dependent on how things develop post brexit, if it is a shit storm then I can see the majority of the public pushing to rejoin, it is people who will decide not the politicians "
so why do remainers blame Cameron for the referendum if it’s the U.K. ppl who decide ? Can you really imagine any party leader even talking about another referendum in the next decade after this Imagine how divided we would be woth another one |
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"Whisk I hadn't mentioned it now
Blimey the blood pressure of some remainers must off the scale"
Blood pressure is fine, Brexit is comedy gold, long may it continue |
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"Scummins gone
Vaccine close
Trump gone
BoZo on the ropes
Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumed and how do you think we do that then another referendom which party are backing that ?
Whatever party is in power at the time , if there is public support for another referendum both parties will have to promise to hold one otherwise they won’t get elected. Obviously this is totally dependent on how things develop post brexit, if it is a shit storm then I can see the majority of the public pushing to rejoin, it is people who will decide not the politicians so why do remainers blame Cameron for the referendum if it’s the U.K. ppl who decide ? Can you really imagine any party leader even talking about another referendum in the next decade after this Imagine how divided we would be woth another one "
Cameron called a referendum to appease the ERG and Farage, there was no real public push for a referendum, most people didn’t even have an opinion either way in the EU prior to 2016 |
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Cameron called a referendum to appease the ERG and Farage, there was no real public push for a referendum, most people didn’t even have an opinion either way in the EU prior to 2016 "
There was of course a lot of anti-politics going on at the time too. Cameron had the notion that if we all voted together for a common cause it may well unite our collective thinking again, when in fact the opposite turned out to be true. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"Scummins gone
Vaccine close
Trump gone
BoZo on the ropes
Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumed and how do you think we do that then another referendom which party are backing that ?
Whatever party is in power at the time , if there is public support for another referendum both parties will have to promise to hold one otherwise they won’t get elected. Obviously this is totally dependent on how things develop post brexit, if it is a shit storm then I can see the majority of the public pushing to rejoin, it is people who will decide not the politicians so why do remainers blame Cameron for the referendum if it’s the U.K. ppl who decide ? Can you really imagine any party leader even talking about another referendum in the next decade after this Imagine how divided we would be woth another one
Cameron called a referendum to appease the ERG and Farage, there was no real public push for a referendum, most people didn’t even have an opinion either way in the EU prior to 2016 "
Why did he need to appease anyone if there was no opinions on the EU, you obviously have forgotten the euro election results too, remind me who got the most votes |
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"Scummins gone
Vaccine close
Trump gone
BoZo on the ropes
Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumed and how do you think we do that then another referendom which party are backing that ?
Whatever party is in power at the time , if there is public support for another referendum both parties will have to promise to hold one otherwise they won’t get elected. Obviously this is totally dependent on how things develop post brexit, if it is a shit storm then I can see the majority of the public pushing to rejoin, it is people who will decide not the politicians so why do remainers blame Cameron for the referendum if it’s the U.K. ppl who decide ? Can you really imagine any party leader even talking about another referendum in the next decade after this Imagine how divided we would be woth another one
Cameron called a referendum to appease the ERG and Farage, there was no real public push for a referendum, most people didn’t even have an opinion either way in the EU prior to 2016
Why did he need to appease anyone if there was no opinions on the EU, you obviously have forgotten the euro election results too, remind me who got the most votes"
Nobody cared about the Euro elections, that is exactly my point. How many MPs did UKIP and the Brexit party manage to get? |
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Cameron called a referendum to appease the ERG and Farage, there was no real public push for a referendum, most people didn’t even have an opinion either way in the EU prior to 2016
There was of course a lot of anti-politics going on at the time too. Cameron had the notion that if we all voted together for a common cause it may well unite our collective thinking again, when in fact the opposite turned out to be true."
He called the referendum to crush the crackpot right wing insurrection in his party (led by reece mogg and co)
He never thought the british people would actually could their own throats.
He takes a chunk of the responsibility (Blame) |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
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Cameron called a referendum to appease the ERG and Farage, there was no real public push for a referendum, most people didn’t even have an opinion either way in the EU prior to 2016
There was of course a lot of anti-politics going on at the time too. Cameron had the notion that if we all voted together for a common cause it may well unite our collective thinking again, when in fact the opposite turned out to be true.
He called the referendum to crush the crackpot right wing insurrection in his party (led by reece mogg and co)
He never thought the british people would actually could their own throats.
He takes a chunk of the responsibility (Blame)"
Brutally said, but close to the truth. (see also my note on anti-politics at the time too). |
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The funniest thing is before Brexit no one literally gave a toss about europe.
People are more concerned with the economy,jobs,the NHS..yet suddenly the eu because the source of all our misfortunes. |
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"It won't happen in a Generation that's for sure.
Agree. Plus it would be largely pointless. The damage is done. so ain’t it time to start healing the divide or atleast try ?"
Yes. I agree. I have idea how.
Brexit itself is widening the divide as we speak.
The clever thing they did was to pit normal people against one another. Meanwhile lining their own pockets and doing whatever they need.
"They" being the likes of the affore mentioned ERG, Garage's American sponsors, Johnson, etc.
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"Scummins gone
Vaccine close
Trump gone
BoZo on the ropes
Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumed and how do you think we do that then another referendom which party are backing that ?
Whatever party is in power at the time , if there is public support for another referendum both parties will have to promise to hold one otherwise they won’t get elected. Obviously this is totally dependent on how things develop post brexit, if it is a shit storm then I can see the majority of the public pushing to rejoin, it is people who will decide not the politicians so why do remainers blame Cameron for the referendum if it’s the U.K. ppl who decide ? Can you really imagine any party leader even talking about another referendum in the next decade after this Imagine how divided we would be woth another one
Cameron called a referendum to appease the ERG and Farage, there was no real public push for a referendum, most people didn’t even have an opinion either way in the EU prior to 2016
Why did he need to appease anyone if there was no opinions on the EU, you obviously have forgotten the euro election results too, remind me who got the most votes
Nobody cared about the Euro elections, that is exactly my point. How many MPs did UKIP and the Brexit party manage to get? "
Look at the voting % in 2015 nearly half of labour, not bad for a one trick pony.
Its reassuring to see your dismissal of the democratic wishes of millions of uk voters, you would be at home in russia or china |
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"Scummins gone
Vaccine close
Trump gone
BoZo on the ropes
Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumed and how do you think we do that then another referendom which party are backing that ?
Whatever party is in power at the time , if there is public support for another referendum both parties will have to promise to hold one otherwise they won’t get elected. Obviously this is totally dependent on how things develop post brexit, if it is a shit storm then I can see the majority of the public pushing to rejoin, it is people who will decide not the politicians so why do remainers blame Cameron for the referendum if it’s the U.K. ppl who decide ? Can you really imagine any party leader even talking about another referendum in the next decade after this Imagine how divided we would be woth another one
Cameron called a referendum to appease the ERG and Farage, there was no real public push for a referendum, most people didn’t even have an opinion either way in the EU prior to 2016
Why did he need to appease anyone if there was no opinions on the EU, you obviously have forgotten the euro election results too, remind me who got the most votes
Nobody cared about the Euro elections, that is exactly my point. How many MPs did UKIP and the Brexit party manage to get?
Look at the voting % in 2015 nearly half of labour, not bad for a one trick pony.
Its reassuring to see your dismissal of the democratic wishes of millions of uk voters, you would be at home in russia or china"
What is your point? I stand by my statement, the vast majority of people had no interested in the EU or their elections prior to 2016. |
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"HAve six more . . .
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-six-best-reasons-to-vote-leave
These seem like criticisms of the EU rather than benefits to leaving.
Another article already pasted in on a previous thread quantifies the Financial benefit of leaving as being up to £800 per family per annum
This has been debunked at least five times per everytime you post it. Debunked ? No one is asking you to accept the article , however it gives a detailed explanation of the logic behind the figures and is written by some very distinguished academics . "
The Hobbit was written by a distinguished author, doesn't make it true..
All it actually is an opinion which you as usual have latched on to as you are unable to look at certain issues objectively.. |
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"Whisk I hadn't mentioned it now
Blimey the blood pressure of some remainers must off the scale
Sky high! And a lot of remoaner tears "
Only tears of laughter, Brexit is the gift that keeps on giving |
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The Hobbit was written by a distinguished author, doesn't make it true..
The Hobbit isn't true?
No lol..
Same as the big lie on the bus, and taking back control etc.. "
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"HAve six more . . .
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-six-best-reasons-to-vote-leave
These seem like criticisms of the EU rather than benefits to leaving.
Another article already pasted in on a previous thread quantifies the Financial benefit of leaving as being up to £800 per family per annum
This has been debunked at least five times per everytime you post it. Debunked ? No one is asking you to accept the article , however it gives a detailed explanation of the logic behind the figures and is written by some very distinguished academics .
The Hobbit was written by a distinguished author, doesn't make it true..
All it actually is an opinion which you as usual have latched on to as you are unable to look at certain issues objectively.."
. For now, I will compare my views/ opinions against those of the electorate and a number of FTSE 100 company directors. The views of Tim Martin and Lord Bamford are perfectly acceptable to me. These are people who have achieved considerable success in life and keep many people enployed.
Tim Martin has achieved outstanding success in a business with cut throat competition where many have failed. Any one who has worked on a farm or in the construction business will appreciate the success of JCB. |
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"HAve six more . . .
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-six-best-reasons-to-vote-leave
These seem like criticisms of the EU rather than benefits to leaving.
Another article already pasted in on a previous thread quantifies the Financial benefit of leaving as being up to £800 per family per annum
This has been debunked at least five times per everytime you post it. Debunked ? No one is asking you to accept the article , however it gives a detailed explanation of the logic behind the figures and is written by some very distinguished academics .
The Hobbit was written by a distinguished author, doesn't make it true..
All it actually is an opinion which you as usual have latched on to as you are unable to look at certain issues objectively.. . For now, I will compare my views/ opinions against those of the electorate and a number of FTSE 100 company directors. The views of Tim Martin and Lord Bamford are perfectly acceptable to me. These are people who have achieved considerable success in life and keep many people enployed.
Tim Martin has achieved outstanding success in a business with cut throat competition where many have failed. Any one who has worked on a farm or in the construction business will appreciate the success of JCB. "
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Actually. 10 refers to Russia 'foreseeing' that the Ukraine had aims of eventually joining the EU following the 2014 ‘Association Agreement’ with the EU - Russia couldn't contemplate this is any form. Annexation was sure to follow. As such it came before the Sanctions from the EU on Russia's subsequent action."
It was 9 but who’s counting. I read that the Russians wanted the sea access so we’re looking for an excuse and yes the Ukraines wanting to be part of the EU was good enough for Putin internally in Russia.
I think it was just a line of excuses so not the sole one but yes I take your point.
The EU can’t go to war with Russia it would lose quickly but they did the only thing they could which was sanctions. |
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"HAve six more . . .
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-six-best-reasons-to-vote-leave
These seem like criticisms of the EU rather than benefits to leaving.
Another article already pasted in on a previous thread quantifies the Financial benefit of leaving as being up to £800 per family per annum
This has been debunked at least five times per everytime you post it. Debunked ? No one is asking you to accept the article , however it gives a detailed explanation of the logic behind the figures and is written by some very distinguished academics .
The Hobbit was written by a distinguished author, doesn't make it true..
All it actually is an opinion which you as usual have latched on to as you are unable to look at certain issues objectively.. . For now, I will compare my views/ opinions against those of the electorate and a number of FTSE 100 company directors. The views of Tim Martin and Lord Bamford are perfectly acceptable to me. These are people who have achieved considerable success in life and keep many people enployed.
Tim Martin has achieved outstanding success in a business with cut throat competition where many have failed. Any one who has worked on a farm or in the construction business will appreciate the success of JCB. "
A bloke who pays the majority of tax abroad and another who is loaded but chopped his staff at the start of the lock down..
Quality..
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Said it before and I'll say it again
It's highly amusing that brexiteers think when the arse finally falls out of brexit,the only people that will be affected,are remoaners.
When the penny finally drops,I'm.going to burst a spleen laughing. |
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Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumed and how do you think we do that then another referendom which party are backing that ?
Whatever party is in power at the time , if there is public support for another referendum both parties will have to promise to hold one otherwise they won’t get elected. Obviously this is totally dependent on how things develop post brexit, if it is a shit storm then I can see the majority of the public pushing to rejoin, it is people who will decide not the politicians "
Quite correct. If a party suspects there are substantial votes to be won by promising another vote they will or if they see their voters go to other parties like what happened with ukip/brexit party again they will. Either way again it will be the people that will decide. If brexit turns out to be a disaster it will show in the polls. If its ok then there will not be backing for another vote |
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over a year ago
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"Actually. 10 refers to Russia 'foreseeing' that the Ukraine had aims of eventually joining the EU following the 2014 ‘Association Agreement’ with the EU - Russia couldn't contemplate this is any form. Annexation was sure to follow. As such it came before the Sanctions from the EU on Russia's subsequent action.
It was 9 but who’s counting. I read that the Russians wanted the sea access so we’re looking for an excuse and yes the Ukraines wanting to be part of the EU was good enough for Putin internally in Russia.
I think it was just a line of excuses so not the sole one but yes I take your point.
The EU can’t go to war with Russia it would lose quickly but they did the only thing they could which was sanctions. "
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BoZo on the ropes
Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumed and how do you think we do that then another referendom which party are backing that ?
Whatever party is in power at the time , if there is public support for another referendum both parties will have to promise to hold one otherwise they won’t get elected. Obviously this is totally dependent on how things develop post brexit, if it is a shit storm then I can see the majority of the public pushing to rejoin, it is people who will decide not the politicians
Quite correct. If a party suspects there are substantial votes to be won by promising another vote they will or if they see their voters go to other parties like what happened with ukip/brexit party again they will. Either way again it will be the people that will decide. If brexit turns out to be a disaster it will show in the polls. If its ok then there will not be backing for another vote"
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Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumed and how do you think we do that then another referendom which party are backing that ?
Whatever party is in power at the time , if there is public support for another referendum both parties will have to promise to hold one otherwise they won’t get elected. Obviously this is totally dependent on how things develop post brexit, if it is a shit storm then I can see the majority of the public pushing to rejoin, it is people who will decide not the politicians so why do remainers blame Cameron for the referendum if it’s the U.K. ppl who decide ? Can you really imagine any party leader even talking about another referendum in the next decade after this Imagine how divided we would be woth another one
Cameron called a referendum to appease the ERG and Farage, there was no real public push for a referendum, most people didn’t even have an opinion either way in the EU prior to 2016
Why did he need to appease anyone if there was no opinions on the EU, you obviously have forgotten the euro election results too, remind me who got the most votes"
Ukip/brexit party constantly won these elections that had the PR system but always struggled in the GE. The greens had the same thing- got plenty of votes but few MP's |
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Utter and complete garbage
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"Scummins gone
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Trump gone
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Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumed and how do you think we do that then another referendom which party are backing that ?
Whatever party is in power at the time , if there is public support for another referendum both parties will have to promise to hold one otherwise they won’t get elected. Obviously this is totally dependent on how things develop post brexit, if it is a shit storm then I can see the majority of the public pushing to rejoin, it is people who will decide not the politicians
Quite correct. If a party suspects there are substantial votes to be won by promising another vote they will or if they see their voters go to other parties like what happened with ukip/brexit party again they will. Either way again it will be the people that will decide. If brexit turns out to be a disaster it will show in the polls. If its ok then there will not be backing for another vote
If Brexit does turn out out to be a disaster..who will claim responsibility?"
Nobody, but I am sure some people will get the blame anyway |
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"Actually. 10 refers to Russia 'foreseeing' that the Ukraine had aims of eventually joining the EU following the 2014 ‘Association Agreement’ with the EU - Russia couldn't contemplate this is any form. Annexation was sure to follow. As such it came before the Sanctions from the EU on Russia's subsequent action.
It was 9 but who’s counting. I read that the Russians wanted the sea access so we’re looking for an excuse and yes the Ukraines wanting to be part of the EU was good enough for Putin internally in Russia.
I think it was just a line of excuses so not the sole one but yes I take your point.
The EU can’t go to war with Russia it would lose quickly but they did the only thing they could which was sanctions.
And the Germans wouldnt get their gas! "
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Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumed and how do you think we do that then another referendom which party are backing that ?
Whatever party is in power at the time , if there is public support for another referendum both parties will have to promise to hold one otherwise they won’t get elected. Obviously this is totally dependent on how things develop post brexit, if it is a shit storm then I can see the majority of the public pushing to rejoin, it is people who will decide not the politicians
Quite correct. If a party suspects there are substantial votes to be won by promising another vote they will or if they see their voters go to other parties like what happened with ukip/brexit party again they will. Either way again it will be the people that will decide. If brexit turns out to be a disaster it will show in the polls. If its ok then there will not be backing for another vote
If Brexit does turn out out to be a disaster..who will claim responsibility?
Nobody, but I am sure some people will get the blame anyway "
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"Scummins gone
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Trump gone
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Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumed and how do you think we do that then another referendom which party are backing that ?
Whatever party is in power at the time , if there is public support for another referendum both parties will have to promise to hold one otherwise they won’t get elected. Obviously this is totally dependent on how things develop post brexit, if it is a shit storm then I can see the majority of the public pushing to rejoin, it is people who will decide not the politicians
Quite correct. If a party suspects there are substantial votes to be won by promising another vote they will or if they see their voters go to other parties like what happened with ukip/brexit party again they will. Either way again it will be the people that will decide. If brexit turns out to be a disaster it will show in the polls. If its ok then there will not be backing for another vote
If Brexit does turn out out to be a disaster..who will claim responsibility?
Nobody, but I am sure some people will get the blame anyway
All I'm saying is that if some predictions are correct or even close to being correct it will soon show in the polls for any pro rejoin parties or maybe a new party might start"
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Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumedLeaving the EU is the best news no going back
You really think Labour have a chance ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Correct, leaving the EU was the best. If we could just get rid of Boris and the tories now."
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"Said it before and I'll say it again
It's highly amusing that brexiteers think when the arse finally falls out of brexit,the only people that will be affected,are remoaners.
When the penny finally drops,I'm.going to burst a spleen laughing."
The penny will never drop. It will be like King Canute commanding the tide to stop rising. Or they'll just carry on with the "the Brexit cluster fuck is the remainers fault". |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"HAve six more . . .
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-six-best-reasons-to-vote-leave
These seem like criticisms of the EU rather than benefits to leaving.
Another article already pasted in on a previous thread quantifies the Financial benefit of leaving as being up to £800 per family per annum
This has been debunked at least five times per everytime you post it. Debunked ? No one is asking you to accept the article , however it gives a detailed explanation of the logic behind the figures and is written by some very distinguished academics .
The Hobbit was written by a distinguished author, doesn't make it true..
All it actually is an opinion which you as usual have latched on to as you are unable to look at certain issues objectively.. . For now, I will compare my views/ opinions against those of the electorate and a number of FTSE 100 company directors. The views of Tim Martin and Lord Bamford are perfectly acceptable to me. These are people who have achieved considerable success in life and keep many people enployed.
Tim Martin has achieved outstanding success in a business with cut throat competition where many have failed. Any one who has worked on a farm or in the construction business will appreciate the success of JCB. "
You do know Boris was on the JCB payroll before becoming PM don’t you!
£40 k a year for 8 hours a month.
David Davis got £60k for his few hours a month.
What advice could Boris and Davis give to a global excavator manufacturer ? The answers is none but Boris could get Brexit and devalue the pound to make his diggers cheaper.
No bias there then .
Tim Martin doesn’t give a shit about his staff so stuff him.
Dyson supported Brexit then moved to Singapore for tax reasons knowing the U.K. wasn’t the place to do business. Czech Republic’s got his factory in Europe. Hmmm U.K. first?.
Are you seeing a pattern?
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"Said it before and I'll say it again
It's highly amusing that brexiteers think when the arse finally falls out of brexit,the only people that will be affected,are remoaners.
When the penny finally drops,I'm.going to burst a spleen laughing.
The penny will never drop. It will be like King Canute commanding the tide to stop rising. Or they'll just carry on with the "the Brexit cluster fuck is the remainers fault"."
It will all be 'their fault', them over the channel..
It was apparent in the run up to the referendum on here that some expected the 'bloody foreigners' to simply tie the line and do as we wish, because after all we are the UK..
Despite all the evidence that they don't need us to the extent they will roll over etc and it's still the blame game.. |
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Utter and complete garbage
Please tell us all the stuff an average citizen will gain"
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"It won't happen in a Generation that's for sure.
Agree. Plus it would be largely pointless. The damage is done. so ain’t it time to start healing the divide or atleast try ?
Yes. I agree. I have idea how.
Brexit itself is widening the divide as we speak.
The clever thing they did was to pit normal people against one another. Meanwhile lining their own pockets and doing whatever they need.
"They" being the likes of the affore mentioned ERG, Garage's American sponsors, Johnson, etc.
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"It won't happen in a Generation that's for sure.
Agree. Plus it would be largely pointless. The damage is done. so ain’t it time to start healing the divide or atleast try ?
Yes. I agree. I have idea how.
Brexit itself is widening the divide as we speak.
The clever thing they did was to pit normal people against one another. Meanwhile lining their own pockets and doing whatever they need.
"They" being the likes of the affore mentioned ERG, Garage's American sponsors, Johnson, etc.
you said you have an idea how? Pls tell us then how do we heal the divide ?"
Fat thumbs. I meant "I have no idea".
Aside from maybe rereading my messages before I post them!!  |
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"It won't happen in a Generation that's for sure.
Agree. Plus it would be largely pointless. The damage is done. so ain’t it time to start healing the divide or atleast try ?
Yes. I agree. I have idea how.
Brexit itself is widening the divide as we speak.
The clever thing they did was to pit normal people against one another. Meanwhile lining their own pockets and doing whatever they need.
"They" being the likes of the affore mentioned ERG, Garage's American sponsors, Johnson, etc.
you said you have an idea how? Pls tell us then how do we heal the divide ?
Fat thumbs. I meant "I have no idea".
Aside from maybe rereading my messages before I post them!! "
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It amuses me how some people say they are concerned about the damage to the economy that Brexit will do and in the next breath say that they support/supported Corbyn and Labour.
Nevermind |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Scummins gone
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Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumed However Cummings was not even an MP and was due to leave at the end of December in any event. On a simplistic basis he left his job six weeks earlier than expected.
Trump was good for the American economy, just look at the performance of numerous USA companies such as the Deere Corporation .
The vaccine is good news assuming that there are no side effects.
We can safely assume that the Conservative party will be in power for 4 more years. Even if Boris stepped down , there are plenty of candidates to take his place , all of whom are extremely capable.
Name 3
Doesn't matter. the tory party is now the brexit party, all the non believers in the Brexit cult have been purged. We're at the situation now where Jeremy Hunt is on the left of the parliamentary party. Your remaining choices are like picking between Genghis Khan, Vlad the Impaler and Hitler."
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"It won't happen in a Generation that's for sure.
Agree. Plus it would be largely pointless. The damage is done. so ain’t it time to start healing the divide or atleast try ?
Yes. I agree. I have idea how.
Brexit itself is widening the divide as we speak.
The clever thing they did was to pit normal people against one another. Meanwhile lining their own pockets and doing whatever they need.
"They" being the likes of the affore mentioned ERG, Garage's American sponsors, Johnson, etc.
you said you have an idea how? Pls tell us then how do we heal the divide ?
Fat thumbs. I meant "I have no idea".
Aside from maybe rereading my messages before I post them!! haha hide now before the grammar police see it they will have yr life mate trust me I knowwww lol"
Think you mean “your” |
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"It won't happen in a Generation that's for sure.
Agree. Plus it would be largely pointless. The damage is done. so ain’t it time to start healing the divide or atleast try ?
Yes. I agree. I have idea how.
Brexit itself is widening the divide as we speak.
The clever thing they did was to pit normal people against one another. Meanwhile lining their own pockets and doing whatever they need.
"They" being the likes of the affore mentioned ERG, Garage's American sponsors, Johnson, etc.
you said you have an idea how? Pls tell us then how do we heal the divide ?
Fat thumbs. I meant "I have no idea".
Aside from maybe rereading my messages before I post them!! haha hide now before the grammar police see it they will have yr life mate trust me I knowwww lol
Think you mean “your” "
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"HAve six more . . .
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-six-best-reasons-to-vote-leave
These seem like criticisms of the EU rather than benefits to leaving.
Another article already pasted in on a previous thread quantifies the Financial benefit of leaving as being up to £800 per family per annum
This has been debunked at least five times per everytime you post it. Debunked ? No one is asking you to accept the article , however it gives a detailed explanation of the logic behind the figures and is written by some very distinguished academics .
The Hobbit was written by a distinguished author, doesn't make it true..
All it actually is an opinion which you as usual have latched on to as you are unable to look at certain issues objectively.. . For now, I will compare my views/ opinions against those of the electorate and a number of FTSE 100 company directors. The views of Tim Martin and Lord Bamford are perfectly acceptable to me. These are people who have achieved considerable success in life and keep many people enployed.
Tim Martin has achieved outstanding success in a business with cut throat competition where many have failed. Any one who has worked on a farm or in the construction business will appreciate the success of JCB.
You do know Boris was on the JCB payroll before becoming PM don’t you!
£40 k a year for 8 hours a month.
David Davis got £60k for his few hours a month.
What advice could Boris and Davis give to a global excavator manufacturer ? The answers is none but Boris could get Brexit and devalue the pound to make his diggers cheaper.
No bias there then .
Tim Martin doesn’t give a shit about his staff so stuff him.
Dyson supported Brexit then moved to Singapore for tax reasons knowing the U.K. wasn’t the place to do business. Czech Republic’s got his factory in Europe. Hmmm U.K. first?.
Are you seeing a pattern?
"
Hi. Currency movements are simply a case of swings and roundabouts. Some people gain , some lose and this has always been the case. No doubt JCB could do with his many skills. You forgot to mention that any movement in currency would also make some of the components of JCBs more expensive. As JCB have a number of manufacturing plants abroad including one in India it may be that currency movements are not as important as some would like to think
A lower pound benefits anyone bringing money into the UK and this would also include pension fund or dividend income. Anyone with shares in Amazon , Netflix , Microsoft or the Deere Corporation will not want to see the pound becoming stronger too soon .
If to use your terminology Tim Martin did not give a shit about his employees people would refuse to work for him .As things stand he has succeeded where many have failed. Success should be admired , not criticised. |
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Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumed and how do you think we do that then another referendom which party are backing that ?
Whatever party is in power at the time , if there is public support for another referendum both parties will have to promise to hold one otherwise they won’t get elected. Obviously this is totally dependent on how things develop post brexit, if it is a shit storm then I can see the majority of the public pushing to rejoin, it is people who will decide not the politicians so why do remainers blame Cameron for the referendum if it’s the U.K. ppl who decide ? Can you really imagine any party leader even talking about another referendum in the next decade after this Imagine how divided we would be woth another one
Cameron called a referendum to appease the ERG and Farage, there was no real public push for a referendum, most people didn’t even have an opinion either way in the EU prior to 2016 "
Cameron called for a vote in Parliament on whether to hold the EU referendum.
544 MP's voted in favour in holding it only 50 odd voted against. |
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"Scummins gone
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BoZo on the ropes
Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumed and how do you think we do that then another referendom which party are backing that ?
Whatever party is in power at the time , if there is public support for another referendum both parties will have to promise to hold one otherwise they won’t get elected. Obviously this is totally dependent on how things develop post brexit, if it is a shit storm then I can see the majority of the public pushing to rejoin, it is people who will decide not the politicians so why do remainers blame Cameron for the referendum if it’s the U.K. ppl who decide ? Can you really imagine any party leader even talking about another referendum in the next decade after this Imagine how divided we would be woth another one
Cameron called a referendum to appease the ERG and Farage, there was no real public push for a referendum, most people didn’t even have an opinion either way in the EU prior to 2016
Cameron called for a vote in Parliament on whether to hold the EU referendum.
544 MP's voted in favour in holding it only 50 odd voted against. "
And what exactly were they voting for. Was it parliament that voted in favour of the Iraq war? was it parliament that voted against T Mays brexit deal? Was it parliament that voted to prevent a no deal? Was it parliament that recently voted to stop children getting free school meals during the holidays? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Scummins gone
Vaccine close
Trump gone
BoZo on the ropes
Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumed and how do you think we do that then another referendom which party are backing that ?
Whatever party is in power at the time , if there is public support for another referendum both parties will have to promise to hold one otherwise they won’t get elected. Obviously this is totally dependent on how things develop post brexit, if it is a shit storm then I can see the majority of the public pushing to rejoin, it is people who will decide not the politicians so why do remainers blame Cameron for the referendum if it’s the U.K. ppl who decide ? Can you really imagine any party leader even talking about another referendum in the next decade after this Imagine how divided we would be woth another one
Cameron called a referendum to appease the ERG and Farage, there was no real public push for a referendum, most people didn’t even have an opinion either way in the EU prior to 2016
Cameron called for a vote in Parliament on whether to hold the EU referendum.
544 MP's voted in favour in holding it only 50 odd voted against.
And what exactly were they voting for. Was it parliament that voted in favour of the Iraq war? was it parliament that voted against T Mays brexit deal? Was it parliament that voted to prevent a no deal? Was it parliament that recently voted to stop children getting free school meals during the holidays? "
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"Scummins gone
Vaccine close
Trump gone
BoZo on the ropes
Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumed and how do you think we do that then another referendom which party are backing that ?
Whatever party is in power at the time , if there is public support for another referendum both parties will have to promise to hold one otherwise they won’t get elected. Obviously this is totally dependent on how things develop post brexit, if it is a shit storm then I can see the majority of the public pushing to rejoin, it is people who will decide not the politicians so why do remainers blame Cameron for the referendum if it’s the U.K. ppl who decide ? Can you really imagine any party leader even talking about another referendum in the next decade after this Imagine how divided we would be woth another one
Cameron called a referendum to appease the ERG and Farage, there was no real public push for a referendum, most people didn’t even have an opinion either way in the EU prior to 2016
Cameron called for a vote in Parliament on whether to hold the EU referendum.
544 MP's voted in favour in holding it only 50 odd voted against.
And what exactly were they voting for. Was it parliament that voted in favour of the Iraq war? was it parliament that voted against T Mays brexit deal? Was it parliament that voted to prevent a no deal? Was it parliament that recently voted to stop children getting free school meals during the holidays? so would you rather a dictatorship?"
Where did I say that. |
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"It amuses me how some people say they are concerned about the damage to the economy that Brexit will do and in the next breath say that they support/supported Corbyn and Labour.
Nevermind"
Probally something to do with the fact that labour didnt pudg through Brexit |
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"Scummins gone
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Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumed and how do you think we do that then another referendom which party are backing that ?
Whatever party is in power at the time , if there is public support for another referendum both parties will have to promise to hold one otherwise they won’t get elected. Obviously this is totally dependent on how things develop post brexit, if it is a shit storm then I can see the majority of the public pushing to rejoin, it is people who will decide not the politicians so why do remainers blame Cameron for the referendum if it’s the U.K. ppl who decide ? Can you really imagine any party leader even talking about another referendum in the next decade after this Imagine how divided we would be woth another one
Cameron called a referendum to appease the ERG and Farage, there was no real public push for a referendum, most people didn’t even have an opinion either way in the EU prior to 2016
Cameron called for a vote in Parliament on whether to hold the EU referendum.
544 MP's voted in favour in holding it only 50 odd voted against.
And what exactly were they voting for. Was it parliament that voted in favour of the Iraq war? was it parliament that voted against T Mays brexit deal? Was it parliament that voted to prevent a no deal? Was it parliament that recently voted to stop children getting free school meals during the holidays? so would you rather a dictatorship?"
Parliament voted for the European Union Referendum Act 2015
The Act made no provision for the result to be legally binding on the government or on any future government; legally it was merely advisory
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"It won't happen in a Generation that's for sure.
Agree. Plus it would be largely pointless. The damage is done. so ain’t it time to start healing the divide or atleast try ?
Yes. I agree. I have idea how.
Brexit itself is widening the divide as we speak.
The clever thing they did was to pit normal people against one another. Meanwhile lining their own pockets and doing whatever they need.
"They" being the likes of the affore mentioned ERG, Garage's American sponsors, Johnson, etc.
you said you have an idea how? Pls tell us then how do we heal the divide ?
Fat thumbs. I meant "I have no idea".
Aside from maybe rereading my messages before I post them!! haha hide now before the grammar police see it they will have yr life mate trust me I knowwww lol
Think you mean “your” awww ffs I didn’t think anyone would see that lol sorry I ment wud lol"
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Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumed"
Also, Chelsea seem to have settled down at the back, picking up some clean sheets and looking threatening up front. Picking up indeed. |
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By *ackal1Couple
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"HAve six more . . .
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-six-best-reasons-to-vote-leave
These seem like criticisms of the EU rather than benefits to leaving.
Another article already pasted in on a previous thread quantifies the Financial benefit of leaving as being up to £800 per family per annum
This has been debunked at least five times per everytime you post it. Debunked ? No one is asking you to accept the article , however it gives a detailed explanation of the logic behind the figures and is written by some very distinguished academics .
The Hobbit was written by a distinguished author, doesn't make it true..
All it actually is an opinion which you as usual have latched on to as you are unable to look at certain issues objectively.. . For now, I will compare my views/ opinions against those of the electorate and a number of FTSE 100 company directors. The views of Tim Martin and Lord Bamford are perfectly acceptable to me. These are people who have achieved considerable success in life and keep many people enployed.
Tim Martin has achieved outstanding success in a business with cut throat competition where many have failed. Any one who has worked on a farm or in the construction business will appreciate the success of JCB.
You do know Boris was on the JCB payroll before becoming PM don’t you!
£40 k a year for 8 hours a month.
David Davis got £60k for his few hours a month.
What advice could Boris and Davis give to a global excavator manufacturer ? The answers is none but Boris could get Brexit and devalue the pound to make his diggers cheaper.
No bias there then .
Tim Martin doesn’t give a shit about his staff so stuff him.
Dyson supported Brexit then moved to Singapore for tax reasons knowing the U.K. wasn’t the place to do business. Czech Republic’s got his factory in Europe. Hmmm U.K. first?.
Are you seeing a pattern?
Hi. Currency movements are simply a case of swings and roundabouts. Some people gain , some lose and this has always been the case. No doubt JCB could do with his many skills. You forgot to mention that any movement in currency would also make some of the components of JCBs more expensive. As JCB have a number of manufacturing plants abroad including one in India it may be that currency movements are not as important as some would like to think
A lower pound benefits anyone bringing money into the UK and this would also include pension fund or dividend income. Anyone with shares in Amazon , Netflix , Microsoft or the Deere Corporation will not want to see the pound becoming stronger too soon .
If to use your terminology Tim Martin did not give a shit about his employees people would refuse to work for him .As things stand he has succeeded where many have failed. Success should be admired , not criticised. "
Tim Martin is a success true but he was quick to lay off staff rather than let them benefit from the furlough which wouldn’t have cost him. That’s the reason I don’t like him but yes he’s made a fortune so by that measure a success.
Most people in hospitality are younger so expect lower wages. Tim Martin knows that very well.
You lose every time you travel. A single currency means you don’t. It’s that simple for the lower income groups.
JCB manufacturers globally so can benefit form currency by deciding where to supply from at any given time. The UJK sites source at least 40% of parts from the U.K. so are less exposed than many companies. Selling whole vehicle exports cheaper through currency is always going to outweigh importing the sum of the parts.
Did you also know JCB doesn’t publish accounts as it’s a private entity and can keeps it’s dealings private. The only two shares are owned by Bamford himself. However hundreds of millions of pounds are know to have been taken out of his companies with no end destination recorded.
Wonder where that’s gone.
JCB is a success to be very proud of but they are not stupid when it comes to avoiding tax and making money on currency.
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Are you saying jcb practice tax avoidance which is illegal or tax planning which is perfectly legal and is done by every person who pays any tax.
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"HAve six more . . .
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-six-best-reasons-to-vote-leave
These seem like criticisms of the EU rather than benefits to leaving.
Another article already pasted in on a previous thread quantifies the Financial benefit of leaving as being up to £800 per family per annum
This has been debunked at least five times per everytime you post it. Debunked ? No one is asking you to accept the article , however it gives a detailed explanation of the logic behind the figures and is written by some very distinguished academics .
The Hobbit was written by a distinguished author, doesn't make it true..
All it actually is an opinion which you as usual have latched on to as you are unable to look at certain issues objectively.. . For now, I will compare my views/ opinions against those of the electorate and a number of FTSE 100 company directors. The views of Tim Martin and Lord Bamford are perfectly acceptable to me. These are people who have achieved considerable success in life and keep many people enployed.
Tim Martin has achieved outstanding success in a business with cut throat competition where many have failed. Any one who has worked on a farm or in the construction business will appreciate the success of JCB.
You do know Boris was on the JCB payroll before becoming PM don’t you!
£40 k a year for 8 hours a month.
David Davis got £60k for his few hours a month.
What advice could Boris and Davis give to a global excavator manufacturer ? The answers is none but Boris could get Brexit and devalue the pound to make his diggers cheaper.
No bias there then .
Tim Martin doesn’t give a shit about his staff so stuff him.
Dyson supported Brexit then moved to Singapore for tax reasons knowing the U.K. wasn’t the place to do business. Czech Republic’s got his factory in Europe. Hmmm U.K. first?.
Are you seeing a pattern?
Hi. Currency movements are simply a case of swings and roundabouts. Some people gain , some lose and this has always been the case. No doubt JCB could do with his many skills. You forgot to mention that any movement in currency would also make some of the components of JCBs more expensive. As JCB have a number of manufacturing plants abroad including one in India it may be that currency movements are not as important as some would like to think
A lower pound benefits anyone bringing money into the UK and this would also include pension fund or dividend income. Anyone with shares in Amazon , Netflix , Microsoft or the Deere Corporation will not want to see the pound becoming stronger too soon .
If to use your terminology Tim Martin did not give a shit about his employees people would refuse to work for him .As things stand he has succeeded where many have failed. Success should be admired , not criticised.
Tim Martin is a success true but he was quick to lay off staff rather than let them benefit from the furlough which wouldn’t have cost him. That’s the reason I don’t like him but yes he’s made a fortune so by that measure a success.
Most people in hospitality are younger so expect lower wages. Tim Martin knows that very well.
You lose every time you travel. A single currency means you don’t. It’s that simple for the lower income groups.
JCB manufacturers globally so can benefit form currency by deciding where to supply from at any given time. The UJK sites source at least 40% of parts from the U.K. so are less exposed than many companies. Selling whole vehicle exports cheaper through currency is always going to outweigh importing the sum of the parts.
Did you also know JCB doesn’t publish accounts as it’s a private entity and can keeps it’s dealings private. The only two shares are owned by Bamford himself. However hundreds of millions of pounds are know to have been taken out of his companies with no end destination recorded.
Wonder where that’s gone.
JCB is a success to be very proud of but they are not stupid when it comes to avoiding tax and making money on currency.
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"HAve six more . . .
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-six-best-reasons-to-vote-leave
These seem like criticisms of the EU rather than benefits to leaving.
Another article already pasted in on a previous thread quantifies the Financial benefit of leaving as being up to £800 per family per annum
This has been debunked at least five times per everytime you post it. Debunked ? No one is asking you to accept the article , however it gives a detailed explanation of the logic behind the figures and is written by some very distinguished academics .
The Hobbit was written by a distinguished author, doesn't make it true..
All it actually is an opinion which you as usual have latched on to as you are unable to look at certain issues objectively.. . For now, I will compare my views/ opinions against those of the electorate and a number of FTSE 100 company directors. The views of Tim Martin and Lord Bamford are perfectly acceptable to me. These are people who have achieved considerable success in life and keep many people enployed.
Tim Martin has achieved outstanding success in a business with cut throat competition where many have failed. Any one who has worked on a farm or in the construction business will appreciate the success of JCB.
You do know Boris was on the JCB payroll before becoming PM don’t you!
£40 k a year for 8 hours a month.
David Davis got £60k for his few hours a month.
What advice could Boris and Davis give to a global excavator manufacturer ? The answers is none but Boris could get Brexit and devalue the pound to make his diggers cheaper.
No bias there then .
Tim Martin doesn’t give a shit about his staff so stuff him.
Dyson supported Brexit then moved to Singapore for tax reasons knowing the U.K. wasn’t the place to do business. Czech Republic’s got his factory in Europe. Hmmm U.K. first?.
Are you seeing a pattern?
Hi. Currency movements are simply a case of swings and roundabouts. Some people gain , some lose and this has always been the case. No doubt JCB could do with his many skills. You forgot to mention that any movement in currency would also make some of the components of JCBs more expensive. As JCB have a number of manufacturing plants abroad including one in India it may be that currency movements are not as important as some would like to think
A lower pound benefits anyone bringing money into the UK and this would also include pension fund or dividend income. Anyone with shares in Amazon , Netflix , Microsoft or the Deere Corporation will not want to see the pound becoming stronger too soon .
If to use your terminology Tim Martin did not give a shit about his employees people would refuse to work for him .As things stand he has succeeded where many have failed. Success should be admired , not criticised.
Tim Martin is a success true but he was quick to lay off staff rather than let them benefit from the furlough which wouldn’t have cost him. That’s the reason I don’t like him but yes he’s made a fortune so by that measure a success.
Most people in hospitality are younger so expect lower wages. Tim Martin knows that very well.
You lose every time you travel. A single currency means you don’t. It’s that simple for the lower income groups.
JCB manufacturers globally so can benefit form currency by deciding where to supply from at any given time. The UJK sites source at least 40% of parts from the U.K. so are less exposed than many companies. Selling whole vehicle exports cheaper through currency is always going to outweigh importing the sum of the parts.
Did you also know JCB doesn’t publish accounts as it’s a private entity and can keeps it’s dealings private. The only two shares are owned by Bamford himself. However hundreds of millions of pounds are know to have been taken out of his companies with no end destination recorded.
Wonder where that’s gone.
JCB is a success to be very proud of but they are not stupid when it comes to avoiding tax and making money on currency.
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I'm calling bullshit, total absolutely bullshit.
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"Scummins gone
Vaccine close
Trump gone
BoZo on the ropes
Just got to get back in the EU and normal service will have been resumed"
On the last point. We need to see what being ‘free’ is like. We need to experience it and then We can make a decision, is it good or bad, |
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"It amuses me how some people say they are concerned about the damage to the economy that Brexit will do and in the next breath say that they support/supported Corbyn and Labour.
Nevermind
Probally something to do with the fact that labour didnt pudg through Brexit "
Well what were the economic forecasts for if Labour got into power and how much were they planning to spend? Brexit worries? You're avin a laff |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Are you saying jcb practice tax avoidance which is illegal or tax planning which is perfectly legal and is done by every person who pays any tax.
If the dont publish their accounts how do you know "millions" have disappeared "
No I have not said anything is illegal that they have done. Unless you can’t read my post?
Over a certain threshold a limited company discloses accounts. It’s the higher ownership trail I’m referring to.
Reuters revealed in excess of £500 million was transferred out of the manufacturing unit and then onwards to the service company again owned by the one man and then disappeared.
The ultimate destination is not disclosed.
Non domicile is tax planning as you say which means the English billionaires living in London don’t pay tax which is legal but wrong in anyone’s balanced view of a fair society.
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"HAve six more . . .
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-six-best-reasons-to-vote-leave
These seem like criticisms of the EU rather than benefits to leaving.
Another article already pasted in on a previous thread quantifies the Financial benefit of leaving as being up to £800 per family per annum
This has been debunked at least five times per everytime you post it. Debunked ? No one is asking you to accept the article , however it gives a detailed explanation of the logic behind the figures and is written by some very distinguished academics .
The Hobbit was written by a distinguished author, doesn't make it true..
All it actually is an opinion which you as usual have latched on to as you are unable to look at certain issues objectively.. . For now, I will compare my views/ opinions against those of the electorate and a number of FTSE 100 company directors. The views of Tim Martin and Lord Bamford are perfectly acceptable to me. These are people who have achieved considerable success in life and keep many people enployed.
Tim Martin has achieved outstanding success in a business with cut throat competition where many have failed. Any one who has worked on a farm or in the construction business will appreciate the success of JCB.
You do know Boris was on the JCB payroll before becoming PM don’t you!
£40 k a year for 8 hours a month.
David Davis got £60k for his few hours a month.
What advice could Boris and Davis give to a global excavator manufacturer ? The answers is none but Boris could get Brexit and devalue the pound to make his diggers cheaper.
No bias there then .
Tim Martin doesn’t give a shit about his staff so stuff him.
Dyson supported Brexit then moved to Singapore for tax reasons knowing the U.K. wasn’t the place to do business. Czech Republic’s got his factory in Europe. Hmmm U.K. first?.
Are you seeing a pattern?
Hi. Currency movements are simply a case of swings and roundabouts. Some people gain , some lose and this has always been the case. No doubt JCB could do with his many skills. You forgot to mention that any movement in currency would also make some of the components of JCBs more expensive. As JCB have a number of manufacturing plants abroad including one in India it may be that currency movements are not as important as some would like to think
A lower pound benefits anyone bringing money into the UK and this would also include pension fund or dividend income. Anyone with shares in Amazon , Netflix , Microsoft or the Deere Corporation will not want to see the pound becoming stronger too soon .
If to use your terminology Tim Martin did not give a shit about his employees people would refuse to work for him .As things stand he has succeeded where many have failed. Success should be admired , not criticised.
Tim Martin is a success true but he was quick to lay off staff rather than let them benefit from the furlough which wouldn’t have cost him. That’s the reason I don’t like him but yes he’s made a fortune so by that measure a success.
Most people in hospitality are younger so expect lower wages. Tim Martin knows that very well.
You lose every time you travel. A single currency means you don’t. It’s that simple for the lower income groups.
JCB manufacturers globally so can benefit form currency by deciding where to supply from at any given time. The UJK sites source at least 40% of parts from the U.K. so are less exposed than many companies. Selling whole vehicle exports cheaper through currency is always going to outweigh importing the sum of the parts.
Did you also know JCB doesn’t publish accounts as it’s a private entity and can keeps it’s dealings private. The only two shares are owned by Bamford himself. However hundreds of millions of pounds are know to have been taken out of his companies with no end destination recorded.
Wonder where that’s gone.
JCB is a success to be very proud of but they are not stupid when it comes to avoiding tax and making money on currency.
I'm calling bullshit, total absolutely bullshit.
You really don't think hmrc doesn't know JCB exists "
The HMRC know the owner of the Daily Mail exists too and lives in Wiltshire. He doesn’t pay any U.K. on his vast fortune due to his claim to be non domicile.
Your turning my post into a tirade at a successful company it’s not. It’s the owners financial payments to politicians to support a political decision to benefit that company.
I have no beef with JCB I have a beef that politicians are on the payroll while supposedly working in Parliament on behalf of their constituency and that tax rules are biased against the average earner but generous to very rich residents. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Knighthood in the New Year's honours for Nigel Farage please
Fuck it why not. The world has gone to shit. "
The fact he’s arguing against masks in a pandemic gives you the true calibre of the fuckwit! |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"Are you saying jcb practice tax avoidance which is illegal or tax planning which is perfectly legal and is done by every person who pays any tax.
If the dont publish their accounts how do you know "millions" have disappeared
No I have not said anything is illegal that they have done. Unless you can’t read my post?
Over a certain threshold a limited company discloses accounts. It’s the higher ownership trail I’m referring to.
Reuters revealed in excess of £500 million was transferred out of the manufacturing unit and then onwards to the service company again owned by the one man and then disappeared.
The ultimate destination is not disclosed.
Non domicile is tax planning as you say which means the English billionaires living in London don’t pay tax which is legal but wrong in anyone’s balanced view of a fair society.
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According to the daily mirror on friday Anthony bamford says he not a non dom.
It's very easy for HMRC to check who is and isnt meeting the rules via passport control |
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"Knighthood in the New Year's honours for Nigel Farage please "
Or a prison sentence for committing treason. That is what happens when you act to damage the country whilst in the pay of hostile foreign influencers. |
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"Imagine going on The internet and defending a millionaire who told his staff to go and work for Tesco whilst leaving them a month without pay."
I think you will find that Tim Martin was clarifying how the furlough scheme worked before paying his staff .
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"Are you saying jcb practice tax avoidance which is illegal or tax planning which is perfectly legal and is done by every person who pays any tax.
If the dont publish their accounts how do you know "millions" have disappeared
No I have not said anything is illegal that they have done. Unless you can’t read my post?
Over a certain threshold a limited company discloses accounts. It’s the higher ownership trail I’m referring to.
Reuters revealed in excess of £500 million was transferred out of the manufacturing unit and then onwards to the service company again owned by the one man and then disappeared.
The ultimate destination is not disclosed.
Non domicile is tax planning as you say which means the English billionaires living in London don’t pay tax which is legal but wrong in anyone’s balanced view of a fair society.
"
Hello. I think you have nothing to worry about. Analysis of HMRC shows that in 2017 /8 nearly a third of all income tax was paid by just 417000 individuals earning £150 000 a year or more , a tiny 1.3 % of all tax payers. Around 43 % of all UK adults pay no tax at all. The position is starker still on the Continent where more than half of residents pay both France and Germany pay no income tax . |
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"Imagine going on The internet and defending a millionaire who told his staff to go and work for Tesco whilst leaving them a month without pay. I think you will find that Tim Martin was clarifying how the furlough scheme worked before paying his staff . "
Course he was.
That's why he told them to go and work in tesco. |
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"Knighthood in the New Year's honours for Nigel Farage please
Fuck it why not. The world has gone to shit.
The fact he’s arguing against masks in a pandemic gives you the true calibre of the fuckwit! "
His new party is anti science, and pro vulnerable people dying of covid right.
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Are you saying jcb practice tax avoidance which is illegal or tax planning which is perfectly legal and is done by every person who pays any tax.
If the dont publish their accounts how do you know "millions" have disappeared
No I have not said anything is illegal that they have done. Unless you can’t read my post?
Over a certain threshold a limited company discloses accounts. It’s the higher ownership trail I’m referring to.
Reuters revealed in excess of £500 million was transferred out of the manufacturing unit and then onwards to the service company again owned by the one man and then disappeared.
The ultimate destination is not disclosed.
Non domicile is tax planning as you say which means the English billionaires living in London don’t pay tax which is legal but wrong in anyone’s balanced view of a fair society.
According to the daily mirror on friday Anthony bamford says he not a non dom.
It's very easy for HMRC to check who is and isnt meeting the rules via passport control "
You have no idea what non domicile is. It’s nothing to do with passport control it’s a status not related to any travel.
Non Dom is the extreme of tax avoidance, it’s a benefit given by this government to individuals of wealth.
Branford isn’t non Dom that is true but it doesn’t explain the transfers of money. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Are you saying jcb practice tax avoidance which is illegal or tax planning which is perfectly legal and is done by every person who pays any tax.
If the dont publish their accounts how do you know "millions" have disappeared
No I have not said anything is illegal that they have done. Unless you can’t read my post?
Over a certain threshold a limited company discloses accounts. It’s the higher ownership trail I’m referring to.
Reuters revealed in excess of £500 million was transferred out of the manufacturing unit and then onwards to the service company again owned by the one man and then disappeared.
The ultimate destination is not disclosed.
Non domicile is tax planning as you say which means the English billionaires living in London don’t pay tax which is legal but wrong in anyone’s balanced view of a fair society.
Hello. I think you have nothing to worry about. Analysis of HMRC shows that in 2017 /8 nearly a third of all income tax was paid by just 417000 individuals earning £150 000 a year or more , a tiny 1.3 % of all tax payers. Around 43 % of all UK adults pay no tax at all. The position is starker still on the Continent where more than half of residents pay both France and Germany pay no income tax . "
Those pesky low income cleaners and bar workers again, not reaching the threshold.
Yes it’s the higher income PAYE earners who are paying and guess which industry most of those jobs are in and where there’re going. I’ll give you a clue , banking or financial services and out of the U.K.. Brexit is a true giver!
Once you get into the multi million earners who are usually in business the tax as a percentage starts to disappear and the elite rich well, you may as well not bother looking as you will find a little contribution for good order but the Caribbean account will be a lot fatter.
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"I’m really not certain Cummings has gone, it all seemed rather too stage managed for my liking. "
Agreed
Its like a big charade.
There are rumours he is going to be part of some gmnt thinktank.
That ed Davey was spot on |
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"Are you saying jcb practice tax avoidance which is illegal or tax planning which is perfectly legal and is done by every person who pays any tax.
If the dont publish their accounts how do you know "millions" have disappeared
No I have not said anything is illegal that they have done. Unless you can’t read my post?
Over a certain threshold a limited company discloses accounts. It’s the higher ownership trail I’m referring to.
Reuters revealed in excess of £500 million was transferred out of the manufacturing unit and then onwards to the service company again owned by the one man and then disappeared.
The ultimate destination is not disclosed.
Non domicile is tax planning as you say which means the English billionaires living in London don’t pay tax which is legal but wrong in anyone’s balanced view of a fair society.
Hello. I think you have nothing to worry about. Analysis of HMRC shows that in 2017 /8 nearly a third of all income tax was paid by just 417000 individuals earning £150 000 a year or more , a tiny 1.3 % of all tax payers. Around 43 % of all UK adults pay no tax at all. The position is starker still on the Continent where more than half of residents pay both France and Germany pay no income tax . "
A rather damning indictment of the way our economy works if 43% of adults don’t earn enough to pay tax. |
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"Are you saying jcb practice tax avoidance which is illegal or tax planning which is perfectly legal and is done by every person who pays any tax.
If the dont publish their accounts how do you know "millions" have disappeared
No I have not said anything is illegal that they have done. Unless you can’t read my post?
Over a certain threshold a limited company discloses accounts. It’s the higher ownership trail I’m referring to.
Reuters revealed in excess of £500 million was transferred out of the manufacturing unit and then onwards to the service company again owned by the one man and then disappeared.
The ultimate destination is not disclosed.
Non domicile is tax planning as you say which means the English billionaires living in London don’t pay tax which is legal but wrong in anyone’s balanced view of a fair society.
According to the daily mirror on friday Anthony bamford says he not a non dom.
It's very easy for HMRC to check who is and isnt meeting the rules via passport control
You have no idea what non domicile is. It’s nothing to do with passport control it’s a status not related to any travel.
Non Dom is the extreme of tax avoidance, it’s a benefit given by this government to individuals of wealth.
Branford isn’t non Dom that is true but it doesn’t explain the transfers of money. "
However the poster made a mistake which is very easy to do. He appears to have confused the concept of non dom with resident and ordinary resident .
We do not have to worry too much about how much tax non doms pay. If we. remove this status, there is a risk that we could lose the tax that non doms currently pay and the tax payer would collect less ( not more ) tax. Non doms could simply move abroad and pay no tax in the UK. |
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"Knighthood in the New Year's honours for Nigel Farage please
Are they giving out knight hoods to racist pondlife now?
Why, is Corbyn up for one?
Nope as he isnt a racist
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Strange. I heard he'd been nominated for one.
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"Knighthood in the New Year's honours for Nigel Farage please
Are they giving out knight hoods to racist pondlife now?
Why, is Corbyn up for one?
Nope as he isnt a racist
Strange. I heard he'd been nominated for one.
For services to the Conservative party "
Hang on.
My sides have just split. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"Are you saying jcb practice tax avoidance which is illegal or tax planning which is perfectly legal and is done by every person who pays any tax.
If the dont publish their accounts how do you know "millions" have disappeared
No I have not said anything is illegal that they have done. Unless you can’t read my post?
Over a certain threshold a limited company discloses accounts. It’s the higher ownership trail I’m referring to.
Reuters revealed in excess of £500 million was transferred out of the manufacturing unit and then onwards to the service company again owned by the one man and then disappeared.
The ultimate destination is not disclosed.
Non domicile is tax planning as you say which means the English billionaires living in London don’t pay tax which is legal but wrong in anyone’s balanced view of a fair society.
According to the daily mirror on friday Anthony bamford says he not a non dom.
It's very easy for HMRC to check who is and isnt meeting the rules via passport control
You have no idea what non domicile is. It’s nothing to do with passport control it’s a status not related to any travel.
Non Dom is the extreme of tax avoidance, it’s a benefit given by this government to individuals of wealth.
Branford isn’t non Dom that is true but it doesn’t explain the transfers of money. However the poster made a mistake which is very easy to do. He appears to have confused the concept of non dom with resident and ordinary resident .
We do not have to worry too much about how much tax non doms pay. If we. remove this status, there is a risk that we could lose the tax that non doms currently pay and the tax payer would collect less ( not more ) tax. Non doms could simply move abroad and pay no tax in the UK. "
Indeed there is a risk they would no longer pay any tax in the U.K.
Which brings you nicely on to the proposed EU legislation which would stop them living anywhere in Europe without paying the tax due. But of course the vested interests who backed Brexit wanted to avoid the new legislation on tax avoidance. Boris mate can you get us out of the EU?
So all those Russians would have leave Europe or go back to Russia. Hmm those gulags aren’t quite Knightsbridge! . .
As tax regimes in Europe are mostly aligned apart from the likes of Luxembourg and Dublin I suspect they will stay in the city of choice, London. Remember they can live tax free around the world in say Dubai or the Caribbean but Dubai is prone to changes of heart by rulers and the Caribbean has beaches and err well beaches.
They would stay where they are comfortable if a little less wealthy. The plan isn’t to take all their money just some. |
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