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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Somebody made a good observation on here a couple of weeks ago, that during the day most of the posts in this forum tend to come from Labour voters and remainers and in the evenings more Tory voters and Brexit supporters tend to post, when they get in from work.
So my question is, why are people afraid of Brexit? Is it because they might have to get a job?
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I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far). |
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"Somebody made a good observation on here a couple of weeks ago, that during the day most of the posts in this forum tend to come from Labour voters and remainers and in the evenings more Tory voters and Brexit supporters tend to post, when they get in from work.
So my question is, why are people afraid of Brexit? Is it because they might have to get a job?
(p.s. I'm on my lunch break ) "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Somebody made a good observation on here a couple of weeks ago, that during the day most of the posts in this forum tend to come from Labour voters and remainers and in the evenings more Tory voters and Brexit supporters tend to post, when they get in from work.
So my question is, why are people afraid of Brexit? Is it because they might have to get a job?
(p.s. I'm on my lunch break ) "
I have a job and I also earn an income through property developing, Brexit won’t affect me financially, PS, I can have my lunch break when I want |
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"Somebody made a good observation on here a couple of weeks ago, that during the day most of the posts in this forum tend to come from Labour voters and remainers and in the evenings more Tory voters and Brexit supporters tend to post, when they get in from work.
So my question is, why are people afraid of Brexit? Is it because they might have to get a job?
(p.s. I'm on my lunch break ) "
All people who are left wing are racist scroungers who are detested by 'normal people'as I recall.
Which the poster later flatly denied posting.
So yeah..spot on. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Somebody made a good observation on here a couple of weeks ago, that during the day most of the posts in this forum tend to come from Labour voters and remainers and in the evenings more Tory voters and Brexit supporters tend to post, when they get in from work.
So my question is, why are people afraid of Brexit? Is it because they might have to get a job?
(p.s. I'm on my lunch break ) "
I think you're confusing "understand the implications of Brexit" with "afraid of Brexit". |
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"Somebody made a good observation on here a couple of weeks ago, that during the day most of the posts in this forum tend to come from Labour voters and remainers and in the evenings more Tory voters and Brexit supporters tend to post, when they get in from work.
So my question is, why are people afraid of Brexit? Is it because they might have to get a job?
(p.s. I'm on my lunch break ) "
Is it 'a good observation' or is it just something one bloke reckons?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Somebody made a good observation on here a couple of weeks ago, that during the day most of the posts in this forum tend to come from Labour voters and remainers and in the evenings more Tory voters and Brexit supporters tend to post, when they get in from work.
So my question is, why are people afraid of Brexit? Is it because they might have to get a job?
(p.s. I'm on my lunch break )
Is it 'a good observation' or is it just something one bloke reckons?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Somebody made a good observation on here a couple of weeks ago, that during the day most of the posts in this forum tend to come from Labour voters and remainers and in the evenings more Tory voters and Brexit supporters tend to post, when they get in from work.
So my question is, why are people afraid of Brexit? Is it because they might have to get a job?
(p.s. I'm on my lunch break )
Is it 'a good observation' or is it just something one bloke reckons?
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Is it ‘a good observation’ or is it just something 2 blokes reckon? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Somebody made a good observation on here a couple of weeks ago, that during the day most of the posts in this forum tend to come from Labour voters and remainers and in the evenings more Tory voters and Brexit supporters tend to post, when they get in from work.
So my question is, why are people afraid of Brexit? Is it because they might have to get a job?
(p.s. I'm on my lunch break )
Is it 'a good observation' or is it just something one bloke reckons?
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There's more than two of you who don't understand the implications of Brexit. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Somebody made a good observation on here a couple of weeks ago, that during the day most of the posts in this forum tend to come from Labour voters and remainers and in the evenings more Tory voters and Brexit supporters tend to post, when they get in from work.
So my question is, why are people afraid of Brexit? Is it because they might have to get a job?
(p.s. I'm on my lunch break )
Is it 'a good observation' or is it just something one bloke reckons?
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There's more than two of you who don't understand the implications of Brexit. "
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far)."
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever. "
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it? "
No. I have never thought about it and I don't care, but I know I can go there, live and work there without any problems.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it? "
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join."
Really? turkey dont seem that bothered. |
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.Really? turkey dont seem that bothered. "
Yep they have only been trying for 23 years. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.Really? turkey dont seem that bothered. "
Lol
Turkey have been desperate to join for years. As well you know |
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By *exy7Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it? "
Switzerland is a tax haven. Don’t need the EU. Norway has a close relationship even if they’re not part of it.
Funny how you focus on two countries when there are 27 other countries that think differently.
You’re clearly annoyed by the EU. You’re like a dog with a bone, a bit like a one-trick poney. Has your wife cheated on you with an Italian bloke or a German woman or what? Funny how brexiters were raving about the greatness of the UK and how it is going to thrive etc...but they still can’t help themselves whinging about the EU as if they still needed a bone or a stress ball. Enjoy your fantastic new world.
Move on man. We’re not part of the EU anymore. Enjoy your new life. It’s all nice and rosey now. Unemployment is at its highest for a long time, we have one of the highest death rate in Europe for Covid, our hospitals are all sorted thanks to the 365m so that there is no risk of them being overwhelmed, other countries are queuing for a trade deal and the new US president has described our rockstar as a clone of Trump, illegal immigrants are even more desperate to come here, our country is more united than never, what’s not to like in your post brexit world? You’re about to shit gold bars. Enjoy yourself for god sake. Give the EU a break. We know you think it’s baaaaaaaad and brexit is gooooooood.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join."
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course? |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course? "
Switzerland and Norway both pay into the EU as EEA members. They accept free movement and do not get all the benefits. They pay less per head than the U.K. as a result but are not entitled to the full grant system back. They have to ratify EU directives in their parliament but usually nod them through.
As Norway is so wealthy they would be a large contributor but their small population wouldn’t particularly benefit so they don’t need the EU and all it’s functions. They chose to join as it’s a positive for their population and are happy to pay.
The Norway system was the preferred option for a lot of economists in the UK as it would cause less financial risk/damage. But immigration was the headline issue for Farage and Co. so Boris agreed to dismiss the idea in fear of his right wing.
I can’t comment on Switzerland too much as not sure of my history but I noticed they voted to continue free movement in a referendum recently as they see that as a good thing.
Btw Poland is set to outstrip Italy and France by 2030 as an economy so Poland will be a big net contributor. Fucking immigrants being successful in their own country whatever next. Oh yes we’ll be trying to move there for jobs. Oh hang on we haven’t got free movement. Damn
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.Really? turkey dont seem that bothered. "
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By *os19Man
over a year ago
Edmonton |
"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.Really? turkey dont seem that bothered.
Lol
Turkey have been desperate to join for years. As well you know"
. I believe Turkey has been trying to join for many years.My understanding is that all EU members must agree to letting another country join.As Cyprus is already a EU member a succession of Cypriot president have said until Turkey withdrawal from the unlawful occupation of a third of Cyprus in 1974 they will not vote for them joining the EU. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.Really? turkey dont seem that bothered.
Lol
Turkey have been desperate to join for years. As well you know. I believe Turkey has been trying to join for many years.My understanding is that all EU members must agree to letting another country join.As Cyprus is already a EU member a succession of Cypriot president have said until Turkey withdrawal from the unlawful occupation of a third of Cyprus in 1974 they will not vote for them joining the EU."
Yep, all member states must vote yes to admit a new member state yet millions here were fooled by Farage that Turkey is joining the EU and 85 million Turks were walking all the way to the UK's front door right there & then and only leaving the EU could stop this influx.
Easily led fools? quite possibly  |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
Switzerland and Norway both pay into the EU as EEA members. They accept free movement and do not get all the benefits. They pay less per head than the U.K. as a result but are not entitled to the full grant system back. They have to ratify EU directives in their parliament but usually nod them through.
As Norway is so wealthy they would be a large contributor but their small population wouldn’t particularly benefit so they don’t need the EU and all it’s functions. They chose to join as it’s a positive for their population and are happy to pay.
The Norway system was the preferred option for a lot of economists in the UK as it would cause less financial risk/damage. But immigration was the headline issue for Farage and Co. so Boris agreed to dismiss the idea in fear of his right wing.
I can’t comment on Switzerland too much as not sure of my history but I noticed they voted to continue free movement in a referendum recently as they see that as a good thing.
Btw Poland is set to outstrip Italy and France by 2030 as an economy so Poland will be a big net contributor. Fucking immigrants being successful in their own country whatever next. Oh yes we’ll be trying to move there for jobs. Oh hang on we haven’t got free movement. Damn
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Correction
Poland will outstrip Italy and Spain . |
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By *os19Man
over a year ago
Edmonton |
"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.Really? turkey dont seem that bothered.
Lol
Turkey have been desperate to join for years. As well you know. I believe Turkey has been trying to join for many years.My understanding is that all EU members must agree to letting another country join.As Cyprus is already a EU member a succession of Cypriot president have said until Turkey withdrawal from the unlawful occupation of a third of Cyprus in 1974 they will not vote for them joining the EU.
Yep, all member states must vote yes to admit a new member state yet millions here were fooled by Farage that Turkey is joining the EU and 85 million Turks were walking all the way to the UK's front door right there & then and only leaving the EU could stop this influx.
Easily led fools? quite possibly "
. Yes Farage did fool a lot of people but I was fairly certain his statement about 85 million Turks coming to the UK was just scaring people to vote for Brexit.I knew that Cyprus would never vote for Turkey therefore there was no way 85 million Turks were coming to the UK |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course? "
I'm torn. On one hand can someone genuinely be this confused and misinformed? But then again, you seem like a genuine guy who does believe the things you say.
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Switzerland is a tax haven. Don’t need the EU. Norway has a close relationship even if they’re not part of it.
Funny how you focus on two countries when there are 27 other countries that think differently.
You’re clearly annoyed by the EU. You’re like a dog with a bone, a bit like a one-trick poney. Has your wife cheated on you with an Italian bloke or a German woman or what? Funny how brexiters were raving about the greatness of the UK and how it is going to thrive etc...but they still can’t help themselves whinging about the EU as if they still needed a bone or a stress ball. Enjoy your fantastic new world.
Move on man. We’re not part of the EU anymore. Enjoy your new life. It’s all nice and rosey now. Unemployment is at its highest for a long time, we have one of the highest death rate in Europe for Covid, our hospitals are all sorted thanks to the 365m so that there is no risk of them being overwhelmed, other countries are queuing for a trade deal and the new US president has described our rockstar as a clone of Trump, illegal immigrants are even more desperate to come here, our country is more united than never, what’s not to like in your post brexit world? You’re about to shit gold bars. Enjoy yourself for god sake. Give the EU a break. We know you think it’s baaaaaaaad and brexit is gooooooood.
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over a year ago
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I’m still waiting for someone to tell me a tangible benefit of Brexit, not ‘we control our own destiny’ or some such but an actual real thing.
Tell me why it was bad when we were in the EU and how it will be better now we aren’t. |
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Switzerland is a tax haven. Don’t need the EU. Norway has a close relationship even if they’re not part of it.
Funny how you focus on two countries when there are 27 other countries that think differently.
You’re clearly annoyed by the EU. You’re like a dog with a bone, a bit like a one-trick poney. Has your wife cheated on you with an Italian bloke or a German woman or what? Funny how brexiters were raving about the greatness of the UK and how it is going to thrive etc...but they still can’t help themselves whinging about the EU as if they still needed a bone or a stress ball. Enjoy your fantastic new world.
Move on man. We’re not part of the EU anymore. Enjoy your new life. It’s all nice and rosey now. Unemployment is at its highest for a long time, we have one of the highest death rate in Europe for Covid, our hospitals are all sorted thanks to the 365m so that there is no risk of them being overwhelmed, other countries are queuing for a trade deal and the new US president has described our rockstar as a clone of Trump, illegal immigrants are even more desperate to come here, our country is more united than never, what’s not to like in your post brexit world? You’re about to shit gold bars. Enjoy yourself for god sake. Give the EU a break. We know you think it’s baaaaaaaad and brexit is gooooooood.
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The original post was about Brexit and jobs. Due to COVID, we will never now know.
The current crisis has blown it out of the water. The numbers will be frightening. The uncertainty of Brexit won’t help, I know of a number of companies that for years have exported car parts across Europe, mainly sourced from China in the same way that German competitors do. They now have the advantage and customers across Europe think that we don’t want / need them anymore. |
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over a year ago
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"The original post was about Brexit and jobs. Due to COVID, we will never now know.
The current crisis has blown it out of the water. The numbers will be frightening. The uncertainty of Brexit won’t help, I know of a number of companies that for years have exported car parts across Europe, mainly sourced from China in the same way that German competitors do. They now have the advantage and customers across Europe think that we don’t want / need them anymore. "
I think the not quite far right of the Conservative party, the Brexit true believers, have deluded themselves that they could get a pick and choose deal from the EU. The great advantage the EU has is that it doesn’t need to give us that, yes they will be worse off if there is no deal but we will suffer massively more in comparison.
The myth that they need us more than we need them, and that Germany’s car companies will force their government to do us a bespoke deal for particular industries, is laughable. John Major was derided by Brexiters for his speech but he was only speaking the truth.
Sadly, Brexiters are living in the past, and nostalgia ain’t what it used to be. |
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"I’m still waiting for someone to tell me a tangible benefit of Brexit, not ‘we control our own destiny’ or some such but an actual real thing.
Tell me why it was bad when we were in the EU and how it will be better now we aren’t."
Good luck with that. I have been asking that very same question for nearly 5 years now and have yet to get an actual answer.
I've had vague statements about Sovereignty (something we never lost), trading with who ever we want that we couldn't before (quite who has never been answered), stopping immigration (which was a £30bn benefit to the treasury), saving our membership fees (a tiny 0.4% of our budget that gave us massive international benefits) and saving our fishing industry (who export the majority of their catches to Europe).
All easily disprovable. So what was the point of racking up the £200bn cost? |
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over a year ago
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
I'm torn. On one hand can someone genuinely be this confused and misinformed? But then again, you seem like a genuine guy who does believe the things you say.
"
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over a year ago
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
I'm torn. On one hand can someone genuinely be this confused and misinformed? But then again, you seem like a genuine guy who does believe the things you say.
So, no answer then. Didn't think there would be "
Your question didn't make any sense.
Nearly every country around the world would love to be in the EU.
Why do you think they were shocked when we voted leave, and why do you think the world is still laughing at us?
In anycase, I'm still not convinced you're for real. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
Switzerland and Norway both pay into the EU as EEA members. They accept free movement and do not get all the benefits. They pay less per head than the U.K. as a result but are not entitled to the full grant system back. They have to ratify EU directives in their parliament but usually nod them through.
As Norway is so wealthy they would be a large contributor but their small population wouldn’t particularly benefit so they don’t need the EU and all it’s functions. They chose to join as it’s a positive for their population and are happy to pay.
The Norway system was the preferred option for a lot of economists in the UK as it would cause less financial risk/damage. But immigration was the headline issue for Farage and Co. so Boris agreed to dismiss the idea in fear of his right wing.
I can’t comment on Switzerland too much as not sure of my history but I noticed they voted to continue free movement in a referendum recently as they see that as a good thing.
Btw Poland is set to outstrip Italy and France by 2030 as an economy so Poland will be a big net contributor. Fucking immigrants being successful in their own country whatever next. Oh yes we’ll be trying to move there for jobs. Oh hang on we haven’t got free movement. Damn
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Poland will outstrip Italy and Spain . "
So EU membership has not been much of a benefit to Italy and Spain then has it |
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over a year ago
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
I'm torn. On one hand can someone genuinely be this confused and misinformed? But then again, you seem like a genuine guy who does believe the things you say.
So, no answer then. Didn't think there would be
Your question didn't make any sense.
Nearly every country around the world would love to be in the EU.
Why do you think they were shocked when we voted leave, and why do you think the world is still laughing at us?
In anycase, I'm still not convinced you're for real."
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over a year ago
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
I'm torn. On one hand can someone genuinely be this confused and misinformed? But then again, you seem like a genuine guy who does believe the things you say.
So, no answer then. Didn't think there would be
Your question didn't make any sense.
Nearly every country around the world would love to be in the EU.
Why do you think they were shocked when we voted leave, and why do you think the world is still laughing at us?
In anycase, I'm still not convinced you're for real.
Name 1"
Turkey
Serbia
Albania
Kosovo
Montenegro
Bosnia Herzegovina
North Macedonia
Are all currently applying or negotiating to join.
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
Switzerland and Norway both pay into the EU as EEA members. They accept free movement and do not get all the benefits. They pay less per head than the U.K. as a result but are not entitled to the full grant system back. They have to ratify EU directives in their parliament but usually nod them through.
As Norway is so wealthy they would be a large contributor but their small population wouldn’t particularly benefit so they don’t need the EU and all it’s functions. They chose to join as it’s a positive for their population and are happy to pay.
The Norway system was the preferred option for a lot of economists in the UK as it would cause less financial risk/damage. But immigration was the headline issue for Farage and Co. so Boris agreed to dismiss the idea in fear of his right wing.
I can’t comment on Switzerland too much as not sure of my history but I noticed they voted to continue free movement in a referendum recently as they see that as a good thing.
Btw Poland is set to outstrip Italy and France by 2030 as an economy so Poland will be a big net contributor. Fucking immigrants being successful in their own country whatever next. Oh yes we’ll be trying to move there for jobs. Oh hang on we haven’t got free movement. Damn
Correction
Poland will outstrip Italy and Spain .
So EU membership has not been much of a benefit to Italy and Spain then has it "
Their GDP both look pretty steady and neither of their Economies’ value shrank in 2016 as ours did!
Poland is getting a large amount of the manufacturing industries moving from the Far East coming back to that big f**in market called the EU so will be yet another successful large economy adding funds . But we don’t want anything to do with such dynamic economies do we.
We will have lots of fish and a mega deal with the USA so no worries.
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over a year ago
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
I'm torn. On one hand can someone genuinely be this confused and misinformed? But then again, you seem like a genuine guy who does believe the things you say.
So, no answer then. Didn't think there would be
Your question didn't make any sense.
Nearly every country around the world would love to be in the EU.
Why do you think they were shocked when we voted leave, and why do you think the world is still laughing at us?
In anycase, I'm still not convinced you're for real.
Name 1
Turkey
Serbia
Albania
Kosovo
Montenegro
Bosnia Herzegovina
North Macedonia
Are all currently applying or negotiating to join.
"
They would be net contributors would they? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
Switzerland and Norway both pay into the EU as EEA members. They accept free movement and do not get all the benefits. They pay less per head than the U.K. as a result but are not entitled to the full grant system back. They have to ratify EU directives in their parliament but usually nod them through.
As Norway is so wealthy they would be a large contributor but their small population wouldn’t particularly benefit so they don’t need the EU and all it’s functions. They chose to join as it’s a positive for their population and are happy to pay.
The Norway system was the preferred option for a lot of economists in the UK as it would cause less financial risk/damage. But immigration was the headline issue for Farage and Co. so Boris agreed to dismiss the idea in fear of his right wing.
I can’t comment on Switzerland too much as not sure of my history but I noticed they voted to continue free movement in a referendum recently as they see that as a good thing.
Btw Poland is set to outstrip Italy and France by 2030 as an economy so Poland will be a big net contributor. Fucking immigrants being successful in their own country whatever next. Oh yes we’ll be trying to move there for jobs. Oh hang on we haven’t got free movement. Damn
Correction
Poland will outstrip Italy and Spain .
So EU membership has not been much of a benefit to Italy and Spain then has it
Their GDP both look pretty steady and neither of their Economies’ value shrank in 2016 as ours did!
Poland is getting a large amount of the manufacturing industries moving from the Far East coming back to that big f**in market called the EU so will be yet another successful large economy adding funds . But we don’t want anything to do with such dynamic economies do we.
We will have lots of fish and a mega deal with the USA so no worries.
"
So if Poland are so sucessfull why are they the largest net beneficiary of EU funding. If this is the case the cost allocation basis must be completely skewed or just guess work. |
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over a year ago
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
I'm torn. On one hand can someone genuinely be this confused and misinformed? But then again, you seem like a genuine guy who does believe the things you say.
So, no answer then. Didn't think there would be
Your question didn't make any sense.
Nearly every country around the world would love to be in the EU.
Why do you think they were shocked when we voted leave, and why do you think the world is still laughing at us?
In anycase, I'm still not convinced you're for real.
Name 1
Turkey
Serbia
Albania
Kosovo
Montenegro
Bosnia Herzegovina
North Macedonia
Are all currently applying or negotiating to join.
They would be net contributors would they? "
Presumably. But I feel like eventually, if you keep changing the question, you'll "win".
"So name one country who wants to join the EU"
"So name one country that wants to join, that might be a net contributor"
"So name one country that wants to join that might be a net contributor, where the leader has a beard".
"So name one country that wants to join that might be a net contributor, where the leader has a beard and there is blue on the flag"
Etc etc.
The point you're trying to wriggle away from. Is that membership of the EU is highly sought after. |
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over a year ago
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
I'm torn. On one hand can someone genuinely be this confused and misinformed? But then again, you seem like a genuine guy who does believe the things you say.
So, no answer then. Didn't think there would be
Your question didn't make any sense.
Nearly every country around the world would love to be in the EU.
Why do you think they were shocked when we voted leave, and why do you think the world is still laughing at us?
In anycase, I'm still not convinced you're for real.
Name 1
Turkey
Serbia
Albania
Kosovo
Montenegro
Bosnia Herzegovina
North Macedonia
Are all currently applying or negotiating to join.
They would be net contributors would they?
Presumably. But I feel like eventually, if you keep changing the question, you'll "win".
"So name one country who wants to join the EU"
"So name one country that wants to join, that might be a net contributor"
"So name one country that wants to join that might be a net contributor, where the leader has a beard".
"So name one country that wants to join that might be a net contributor, where the leader has a beard and there is blue on the flag"
Etc etc.
The point you're trying to wriggle away from. Is that membership of the EU is highly sought after."
I asked one question _
Who exactly would want to join? As a net contributor obviously?
And you can't answer |
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over a year ago
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
I'm torn. On one hand can someone genuinely be this confused and misinformed? But then again, you seem like a genuine guy who does believe the things you say.
So, no answer then. Didn't think there would be
Your question didn't make any sense.
Nearly every country around the world would love to be in the EU.
Why do you think they were shocked when we voted leave, and why do you think the world is still laughing at us?
In anycase, I'm still not convinced you're for real.
Name 1
Turkey
Serbia
Albania
Kosovo
Montenegro
Bosnia Herzegovina
North Macedonia
Are all currently applying or negotiating to join.
They would be net contributors would they?
Presumably. But I feel like eventually, if you keep changing the question, you'll "win".
"So name one country who wants to join the EU"
"So name one country that wants to join, that might be a net contributor"
"So name one country that wants to join that might be a net contributor, where the leader has a beard".
"So name one country that wants to join that might be a net contributor, where the leader has a beard and there is blue on the flag"
Etc etc.
The point you're trying to wriggle away from. Is that membership of the EU is highly sought after.
I asked one question _
Who exactly would want to join? As a net contributor obviously?
And you can't answer "
How do you define "net contributor"?
All countries pay in. Making them all net contributors.
So all the countries I mentioned above would be net contributors.
I don't really know what your point is here. Are you suggesting that if you can find a country that doesn't want to join the EU, that Brexit is magically transformed into something positive for the UK? |
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
I'm torn. On one hand can someone genuinely be this confused and misinformed? But then again, you seem like a genuine guy who does believe the things you say.
So, no answer then. Didn't think there would be
Your question didn't make any sense.
Nearly every country around the world would love to be in the EU.
Why do you think they were shocked when we voted leave, and why do you think the world is still laughing at us?
In anycase, I'm still not convinced you're for real.
Name 1
Turkey
Serbia
Albania
Kosovo
Montenegro
Bosnia Herzegovina
North Macedonia
Are all currently applying or negotiating to join.
They would be net contributors would they?
Presumably. But I feel like eventually, if you keep changing the question, you'll "win".
"So name one country who wants to join the EU"
"So name one country that wants to join, that might be a net contributor"
"So name one country that wants to join that might be a net contributor, where the leader has a beard".
"So name one country that wants to join that might be a net contributor, where the leader has a beard and there is blue on the flag"
Etc etc.
The point you're trying to wriggle away from. Is that membership of the EU is highly sought after.
I asked one question _
Who exactly would want to join? As a net contributor obviously?
And you can't answer
How do you define "net contributor"?
All countries pay in. Making them all net contributors.
So all the countries I mentioned above would be net contributors.
I don't really know what your point is here. Are you suggesting that if you can find a country that doesn't want to join the EU, that Brexit is magically transformed into something positive for the UK?
"
It's a very easy question to ask, particularly from and anti-EU stance.
You can quickly find what it "costs" to be a member, what countries' payments in come to, and to a degree what they get in funding.
But it's very hard to quantify the other benefits that are accrued from membership.
For a start there are 43 agencies that we all shared in, that will need to be replicated here in the UK now. Things like the European Medicines Agency, or the European Centre for Disease Prevention.
It is much more expensive to run the whole thing, than fund a part of a shared entity.
Add on the cost of new border controls and personnel etc. and it's pretty easy to see that being a member is cheaper than not being.
That's before you even get to thinking about trade tariffs and business moving away from the UK... |
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
I'm torn. On one hand can someone genuinely be this confused and misinformed? But then again, you seem like a genuine guy who does believe the things you say.
So, no answer then. Didn't think there would be
Your question didn't make any sense.
Nearly every country around the world would love to be in the EU.
Why do you think they were shocked when we voted leave, and why do you think the world is still laughing at us?
In anycase, I'm still not convinced you're for real.
Name 1
Turkey
Serbia
Albania
Kosovo
Montenegro
Bosnia Herzegovina
North Macedonia
Are all currently applying or negotiating to join.
They would be net contributors would they?
Presumably. But I feel like eventually, if you keep changing the question, you'll "win".
"So name one country who wants to join the EU"
"So name one country that wants to join, that might be a net contributor"
"So name one country that wants to join that might be a net contributor, where the leader has a beard".
"So name one country that wants to join that might be a net contributor, where the leader has a beard and there is blue on the flag"
Etc etc.
The point you're trying to wriggle away from. Is that membership of the EU is highly sought after.
I asked one question _
Who exactly would want to join? As a net contributor obviously?
And you can't answer
How do you define "net contributor"?
All countries pay in. Making them all net contributors.
So all the countries I mentioned above would be net contributors.
I don't really know what your point is here. Are you suggesting that if you can find a country that doesn't want to join the EU, that Brexit is magically transformed into something positive for the UK?
It's a very easy question to ask, particularly from and anti-EU stance.
You can quickly find what it "costs" to be a member, what countries' payments in come to, and to a degree what they get in funding.
But it's very hard to quantify the other benefits that are accrued from membership.
For a start there are 43 agencies that we all shared in, that will need to be replicated here in the UK now. Things like the European Medicines Agency, or the European Centre for Disease Prevention.
It is much more expensive to run the whole thing, than fund a part of a shared entity.
Add on the cost of new border controls and personnel etc. and it's pretty easy to see that being a member is cheaper than not being.
That's before you even get to thinking about trade tariffs and business moving away from the UK..."
Well brexiters haven't taken to understanding all the things you have pointed out. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
Switzerland and Norway both pay into the EU as EEA members. They accept free movement and do not get all the benefits. They pay less per head than the U.K. as a result but are not entitled to the full grant system back. They have to ratify EU directives in their parliament but usually nod them through.
As Norway is so wealthy they would be a large contributor but their small population wouldn’t particularly benefit so they don’t need the EU and all it’s functions. They chose to join as it’s a positive for their population and are happy to pay.
The Norway system was the preferred option for a lot of economists in the UK as it would cause less financial risk/damage. But immigration was the headline issue for Farage and Co. so Boris agreed to dismiss the idea in fear of his right wing.
I can’t comment on Switzerland too much as not sure of my history but I noticed they voted to continue free movement in a referendum recently as they see that as a good thing.
Btw Poland is set to outstrip Italy and France by 2030 as an economy so Poland will be a big net contributor. Fucking immigrants being successful in their own country whatever next. Oh yes we’ll be trying to move there for jobs. Oh hang on we haven’t got free movement. Damn
Correction
Poland will outstrip Italy and Spain .
So EU membership has not been much of a benefit to Italy and Spain then has it
Their GDP both look pretty steady and neither of their Economies’ value shrank in 2016 as ours did!
Poland is getting a large amount of the manufacturing industries moving from the Far East coming back to that big f**in market called the EU so will be yet another successful large economy adding funds . But we don’t want anything to do with such dynamic economies do we.
We will have lots of fish and a mega deal with the USA so no worries.
So if Poland are so sucessfull why are they the largest net beneficiary of EU funding. If this is the case the cost allocation basis must be completely skewed or just guess work. "
Indeed they are and their growth through infrastructure investment will be rapid. We would be exporting goods to them as a result but hey we don’t want to do that do we as we’re putting up the barriers.
Turning that investment into a good return is the aim which will make them a net contributor to the EU. Something you would welcome.
If people are successful they buy stuff, our stuff, including finance and as the Polish work mentality is better than ours that’s where both EU and International money is going. Slovakia and Romania will also be following suit.
We have only ever invested in London as a nation with the EU identifying South Wales Cornwall and the North East as areas needing help. Have you heard the U.K. government say they are keeping those investment levels?
The UK’s skewered investment into London is not going to change any time soon as we can’t afford to invest in the rest of the U.K. now. COVID has ensured that fact. Good luck if you live in a deprived area.
If you are part of a successful economic area like the EU it can only be a good thing. With the state of our U.K. governments over the years I’m sure it wouldn’t have been too long before we were a net receiver.
If it’s so bad to be in a club why is America part of NAFTA. They’re the biggest economy as a single country in the world so why would they need to be in the club?. I can tell you the answer.. it’s good for business and therefore jobs. If you answer we didn’t vote for the EU then why didn’t we go the Norway route?
It would make perfect sense wouldn’t it? Boris says no! Hmm why is that?
Brexiteers believe the worlds looking our way. They’re not. They are looking at everywhere but here and our voice is getting quieter and quieter.
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
Switzerland and Norway both pay into the EU as EEA members. They accept free movement and do not get all the benefits. They pay less per head than the U.K. as a result but are not entitled to the full grant system back. They have to ratify EU directives in their parliament but usually nod them through.
As Norway is so wealthy they would be a large contributor but their small population wouldn’t particularly benefit so they don’t need the EU and all it’s functions. They chose to join as it’s a positive for their population and are happy to pay.
The Norway system was the preferred option for a lot of economists in the UK as it would cause less financial risk/damage. But immigration was the headline issue for Farage and Co. so Boris agreed to dismiss the idea in fear of his right wing.
I can’t comment on Switzerland too much as not sure of my history but I noticed they voted to continue free movement in a referendum recently as they see that as a good thing.
Btw Poland is set to outstrip Italy and France by 2030 as an economy so Poland will be a big net contributor. Fucking immigrants being successful in their own country whatever next. Oh yes we’ll be trying to move there for jobs. Oh hang on we haven’t got free movement. Damn
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Poland will outstrip Italy and Spain .
So EU membership has not been much of a benefit to Italy and Spain then has it
Their GDP both look pretty steady and neither of their Economies’ value shrank in 2016 as ours did!
Poland is getting a large amount of the manufacturing industries moving from the Far East coming back to that big f**in market called the EU so will be yet another successful large economy adding funds . But we don’t want anything to do with such dynamic economies do we.
We will have lots of fish and a mega deal with the USA so no worries.
So if Poland are so sucessfull why are they the largest net beneficiary of EU funding. If this is the case the cost allocation basis must be completely skewed or just guess work.
Indeed they are and their growth through infrastructure investment will be rapid. We would be exporting goods to them as a result but hey we don’t want to do that do we as we’re putting up the barriers.
Turning that investment into a good return is the aim which will make them a net contributor to the EU. Something you would welcome.
If people are successful they buy stuff, our stuff, including finance and as the Polish work mentality is better than ours that’s where both EU and International money is going. Slovakia and Romania will also be following suit.
We have only ever invested in London as a nation with the EU identifying South Wales Cornwall and the North East as areas needing help. Have you heard the U.K. government say they are keeping those investment levels?
The UK’s skewered investment into London is not going to change any time soon as we can’t afford to invest in the rest of the U.K. now. COVID has ensured that fact. Good luck if you live in a deprived area.
If you are part of a successful economic area like the EU it can only be a good thing. With the state of our U.K. governments over the years I’m sure it wouldn’t have been too long before we were a net receiver.
If it’s so bad to be in a club why is America part of NAFTA. They’re the biggest economy as a single country in the world so why would they need to be in the club?. I can tell you the answer.. it’s good for business and therefore jobs. If you answer we didn’t vote for the EU then why didn’t we go the Norway route?
It would make perfect sense wouldn’t it? Boris says no! Hmm why is that?
Brexiteers believe the worlds looking our way. They’re not. They are looking at everywhere but here and our voice is getting quieter and quieter.
We will survive I’m sure but we are going to be a lot poorer than we would have been otherwise. "
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By *ackal1Couple
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
I'm torn. On one hand can someone genuinely be this confused and misinformed? But then again, you seem like a genuine guy who does believe the things you say.
So, no answer then. Didn't think there would be
Your question didn't make any sense.
Nearly every country around the world would love to be in the EU.
Why do you think they were shocked when we voted leave, and why do you think the world is still laughing at us?
In anycase, I'm still not convinced you're for real.
Name 1
Turkey
Serbia
Albania
Kosovo
Montenegro
Bosnia Herzegovina
North Macedonia
Are all currently applying or negotiating to join.
They would be net contributors would they?
Presumably. But I feel like eventually, if you keep changing the question, you'll "win".
"So name one country who wants to join the EU"
"So name one country that wants to join, that might be a net contributor"
"So name one country that wants to join that might be a net contributor, where the leader has a beard".
"So name one country that wants to join that might be a net contributor, where the leader has a beard and there is blue on the flag"
Etc etc.
The point you're trying to wriggle away from. Is that membership of the EU is highly sought after.
I asked one question _
Who exactly would want to join? As a net contributor obviously?
And you can't answer
How do you define "net contributor"?
All countries pay in. Making them all net contributors.
So all the countries I mentioned above would be net contributors.
I don't really know what your point is here. Are you suggesting that if you can find a country that doesn't want to join the EU, that Brexit is magically transformed into something positive for the UK?
It's a very easy question to ask, particularly from and anti-EU stance.
You can quickly find what it "costs" to be a member, what countries' payments in come to, and to a degree what they get in funding.
But it's very hard to quantify the other benefits that are accrued from membership.
For a start there are 43 agencies that we all shared in, that will need to be replicated here in the UK now. Things like the European Medicines Agency, or the European Centre for Disease Prevention.
It is much more expensive to run the whole thing, than fund a part of a shared entity.
Add on the cost of new border controls and personnel etc. and it's pretty easy to see that being a member is cheaper than not being.
That's before you even get to thinking about trade tariffs and business moving away from the UK..."
Just had a Spanish customer insist we supply next year from inside the EU as they can’t be arsed with customs even though we offered to do everything. The VAT implications are to much of a bother for them as it’s easy today and why make it complicated. . Italy 1 England 0 |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
Switzerland and Norway both pay into the EU as EEA members. They accept free movement and do not get all the benefits. They pay less per head than the U.K. as a result but are not entitled to the full grant system back. They have to ratify EU directives in their parliament but usually nod them through.
As Norway is so wealthy they would be a large contributor but their small population wouldn’t particularly benefit so they don’t need the EU and all it’s functions. They chose to join as it’s a positive for their population and are happy to pay.
The Norway system was the preferred option for a lot of economists in the UK as it would cause less financial risk/damage. But immigration was the headline issue for Farage and Co. so Boris agreed to dismiss the idea in fear of his right wing.
I can’t comment on Switzerland too much as not sure of my history but I noticed they voted to continue free movement in a referendum recently as they see that as a good thing.
Btw Poland is set to outstrip Italy and France by 2030 as an economy so Poland will be a big net contributor. Fucking immigrants being successful in their own country whatever next. Oh yes we’ll be trying to move there for jobs. Oh hang on we haven’t got free movement. Damn
Correction
Poland will outstrip Italy and Spain .
So EU membership has not been much of a benefit to Italy and Spain then has it
Their GDP both look pretty steady and neither of their Economies’ value shrank in 2016 as ours did!
Poland is getting a large amount of the manufacturing industries moving from the Far East coming back to that big f**in market called the EU so will be yet another successful large economy adding funds . But we don’t want anything to do with such dynamic economies do we.
We will have lots of fish and a mega deal with the USA so no worries.
So if Poland are so sucessfull why are they the largest net beneficiary of EU funding. If this is the case the cost allocation basis must be completely skewed or just guess work.
Indeed they are and their growth through infrastructure investment will be rapid. We would be exporting goods to them as a result but hey we don’t want to do that do we as we’re putting up the barriers.
Turning that investment into a good return is the aim which will make them a net contributor to the EU. Something you would welcome.
If people are successful they buy stuff, our stuff, including finance and as the Polish work mentality is better than ours that’s where both EU and International money is going. Slovakia and Romania will also be following suit.
We have only ever invested in London as a nation with the EU identifying South Wales Cornwall and the North East as areas needing help. Have you heard the U.K. government say they are keeping those investment levels?
The UK’s skewered investment into London is not going to change any time soon as we can’t afford to invest in the rest of the U.K. now. COVID has ensured that fact. Good luck if you live in a deprived area.
If you are part of a successful economic area like the EU it can only be a good thing. With the state of our U.K. governments over the years I’m sure it wouldn’t have been too long before we were a net receiver.
If it’s so bad to be in a club why is America part of NAFTA. They’re the biggest economy as a single country in the world so why would they need to be in the club?. I can tell you the answer.. it’s good for business and therefore jobs. If you answer we didn’t vote for the EU then why didn’t we go the Norway route?
It would make perfect sense wouldn’t it? Boris says no! Hmm why is that?
Brexiteers believe the worlds looking our way. They’re not. They are looking at everywhere but here and our voice is getting quieter and quieter.
We will survive I’m sure but we are going to be a lot poorer than we would have been otherwise.
Why on Earth do you think the Polish work mentality is better or different to ours?"
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
Switzerland and Norway both pay into the EU as EEA members. They accept free movement and do not get all the benefits. They pay less per head than the U.K. as a result but are not entitled to the full grant system back. They have to ratify EU directives in their parliament but usually nod them through.
As Norway is so wealthy they would be a large contributor but their small population wouldn’t particularly benefit so they don’t need the EU and all it’s functions. They chose to join as it’s a positive for their population and are happy to pay.
The Norway system was the preferred option for a lot of economists in the UK as it would cause less financial risk/damage. But immigration was the headline issue for Farage and Co. so Boris agreed to dismiss the idea in fear of his right wing.
I can’t comment on Switzerland too much as not sure of my history but I noticed they voted to continue free movement in a referendum recently as they see that as a good thing.
Btw Poland is set to outstrip Italy and France by 2030 as an economy so Poland will be a big net contributor. Fucking immigrants being successful in their own country whatever next. Oh yes we’ll be trying to move there for jobs. Oh hang on we haven’t got free movement. Damn
Correction
Poland will outstrip Italy and Spain .
So EU membership has not been much of a benefit to Italy and Spain then has it
Their GDP both look pretty steady and neither of their Economies’ value shrank in 2016 as ours did!
Poland is getting a large amount of the manufacturing industries moving from the Far East coming back to that big f**in market called the EU so will be yet another successful large economy adding funds . But we don’t want anything to do with such dynamic economies do we.
We will have lots of fish and a mega deal with the USA so no worries.
So if Poland are so sucessfull why are they the largest net beneficiary of EU funding. If this is the case the cost allocation basis must be completely skewed or just guess work.
Indeed they are and their growth through infrastructure investment will be rapid. We would be exporting goods to them as a result but hey we don’t want to do that do we as we’re putting up the barriers.
Turning that investment into a good return is the aim which will make them a net contributor to the EU. Something you would welcome.
If people are successful they buy stuff, our stuff, including finance and as the Polish work mentality is better than ours that’s where both EU and International money is going. Slovakia and Romania will also be following suit.
We have only ever invested in London as a nation with the EU identifying South Wales Cornwall and the North East as areas needing help. Have you heard the U.K. government say they are keeping those investment levels?
The UK’s skewered investment into London is not going to change any time soon as we can’t afford to invest in the rest of the U.K. now. COVID has ensured that fact. Good luck if you live in a deprived area.
If you are part of a successful economic area like the EU it can only be a good thing. With the state of our U.K. governments over the years I’m sure it wouldn’t have been too long before we were a net receiver.
If it’s so bad to be in a club why is America part of NAFTA. They’re the biggest economy as a single country in the world so why would they need to be in the club?. I can tell you the answer.. it’s good for business and therefore jobs. If you answer we didn’t vote for the EU then why didn’t we go the Norway route?
It would make perfect sense wouldn’t it? Boris says no! Hmm why is that?
Brexiteers believe the worlds looking our way. They’re not. They are looking at everywhere but here and our voice is getting quieter and quieter.
We will survive I’m sure but we are going to be a lot poorer than we would have been otherwise.
Why on Earth do you think the Polish work mentality is better or different to ours?
Experience of employing both U.K. and Eastern European both here and in Eastern Europe. "
Just to clarify this comment it’s not all people don’t work hard it’s a personal perspective on attitudes I have experienced both here and abroad. There are lazy Polish folk but there appears less than in the U.K.
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
Switzerland and Norway both pay into the EU as EEA members. They accept free movement and do not get all the benefits. They pay less per head than the U.K. as a result but are not entitled to the full grant system back. They have to ratify EU directives in their parliament but usually nod them through.
As Norway is so wealthy they would be a large contributor but their small population wouldn’t particularly benefit so they don’t need the EU and all it’s functions. They chose to join as it’s a positive for their population and are happy to pay.
The Norway system was the preferred option for a lot of economists in the UK as it would cause less financial risk/damage. But immigration was the headline issue for Farage and Co. so Boris agreed to dismiss the idea in fear of his right wing.
I can’t comment on Switzerland too much as not sure of my history but I noticed they voted to continue free movement in a referendum recently as they see that as a good thing.
Btw Poland is set to outstrip Italy and France by 2030 as an economy so Poland will be a big net contributor. Fucking immigrants being successful in their own country whatever next. Oh yes we’ll be trying to move there for jobs. Oh hang on we haven’t got free movement. Damn
Correction
Poland will outstrip Italy and Spain .
So EU membership has not been much of a benefit to Italy and Spain then has it
Their GDP both look pretty steady and neither of their Economies’ value shrank in 2016 as ours did!
Poland is getting a large amount of the manufacturing industries moving from the Far East coming back to that big f**in market called the EU so will be yet another successful large economy adding funds . But we don’t want anything to do with such dynamic economies do we.
We will have lots of fish and a mega deal with the USA so no worries.
So if Poland are so sucessfull why are they the largest net beneficiary of EU funding. If this is the case the cost allocation basis must be completely skewed or just guess work.
Indeed they are and their growth through infrastructure investment will be rapid. We would be exporting goods to them as a result but hey we don’t want to do that do we as we’re putting up the barriers.
Turning that investment into a good return is the aim which will make them a net contributor to the EU. Something you would welcome.
If people are successful they buy stuff, our stuff, including finance and as the Polish work mentality is better than ours that’s where both EU and International money is going. Slovakia and Romania will also be following suit.
We have only ever invested in London as a nation with the EU identifying South Wales Cornwall and the North East as areas needing help. Have you heard the U.K. government say they are keeping those investment levels?
The UK’s skewered investment into London is not going to change any time soon as we can’t afford to invest in the rest of the U.K. now. COVID has ensured that fact. Good luck if you live in a deprived area.
If you are part of a successful economic area like the EU it can only be a good thing. With the state of our U.K. governments over the years I’m sure it wouldn’t have been too long before we were a net receiver.
If it’s so bad to be in a club why is America part of NAFTA. They’re the biggest economy as a single country in the world so why would they need to be in the club?. I can tell you the answer.. it’s good for business and therefore jobs. If you answer we didn’t vote for the EU then why didn’t we go the Norway route?
It would make perfect sense wouldn’t it? Boris says no! Hmm why is that?
Brexiteers believe the worlds looking our way. They’re not. They are looking at everywhere but here and our voice is getting quieter and quieter.
We will survive I’m sure but we are going to be a lot poorer than we would have been otherwise.
Why on Earth do you think the Polish work mentality is better or different to ours?
Experience of employing both U.K. and Eastern European both here and in Eastern Europe.
Just to clarify this comment it’s not all people don’t work hard it’s a personal perspective on attitudes I have experienced both here and abroad. There are lazy Polish folk but there appears less than in the U.K.
We have become soft and have an attitude of entitlement. "
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
Switzerland and Norway both pay into the EU as EEA members. They accept free movement and do not get all the benefits. They pay less per head than the U.K. as a result but are not entitled to the full grant system back. They have to ratify EU directives in their parliament but usually nod them through.
As Norway is so wealthy they would be a large contributor but their small population wouldn’t particularly benefit so they don’t need the EU and all it’s functions. They chose to join as it’s a positive for their population and are happy to pay.
The Norway system was the preferred option for a lot of economists in the UK as it would cause less financial risk/damage. But immigration was the headline issue for Farage and Co. so Boris agreed to dismiss the idea in fear of his right wing.
I can’t comment on Switzerland too much as not sure of my history but I noticed they voted to continue free movement in a referendum recently as they see that as a good thing.
Btw Poland is set to outstrip Italy and France by 2030 as an economy so Poland will be a big net contributor. Fucking immigrants being successful in their own country whatever next. Oh yes we’ll be trying to move there for jobs. Oh hang on we haven’t got free movement. Damn
Correction
Poland will outstrip Italy and Spain .
So EU membership has not been much of a benefit to Italy and Spain then has it
Their GDP both look pretty steady and neither of their Economies’ value shrank in 2016 as ours did!
Poland is getting a large amount of the manufacturing industries moving from the Far East coming back to that big f**in market called the EU so will be yet another successful large economy adding funds . But we don’t want anything to do with such dynamic economies do we.
We will have lots of fish and a mega deal with the USA so no worries.
So if Poland are so sucessfull why are they the largest net beneficiary of EU funding. If this is the case the cost allocation basis must be completely skewed or just guess work.
Indeed they are and their growth through infrastructure investment will be rapid. We would be exporting goods to them as a result but hey we don’t want to do that do we as we’re putting up the barriers.
Turning that investment into a good return is the aim which will make them a net contributor to the EU. Something you would welcome.
If people are successful they buy stuff, our stuff, including finance and as the Polish work mentality is better than ours that’s where both EU and International money is going. Slovakia and Romania will also be following suit.
We have only ever invested in London as a nation with the EU identifying South Wales Cornwall and the North East as areas needing help. Have you heard the U.K. government say they are keeping those investment levels?
The UK’s skewered investment into London is not going to change any time soon as we can’t afford to invest in the rest of the U.K. now. COVID has ensured that fact. Good luck if you live in a deprived area.
If you are part of a successful economic area like the EU it can only be a good thing. With the state of our U.K. governments over the years I’m sure it wouldn’t have been too long before we were a net receiver.
If it’s so bad to be in a club why is America part of NAFTA. They’re the biggest economy as a single country in the world so why would they need to be in the club?. I can tell you the answer.. it’s good for business and therefore jobs. If you answer we didn’t vote for the EU then why didn’t we go the Norway route?
It would make perfect sense wouldn’t it? Boris says no! Hmm why is that?
Brexiteers believe the worlds looking our way. They’re not. They are looking at everywhere but here and our voice is getting quieter and quieter.
We will survive I’m sure but we are going to be a lot poorer than we would have been otherwise.
Why on Earth do you think the Polish work mentality is better or different to ours?
Experience of employing both U.K. and Eastern European both here and in Eastern Europe.
Just to clarify this comment it’s not all people don’t work hard it’s a personal perspective on attitudes I have experienced both here and abroad. There are lazy Polish folk but there appears less than in the U.K.
We have become soft and have an attitude of entitlement.
Generally I agree. However, those that come here for work are more likely to be more inclined to work. Their lazy buggers stay at home."
Their lazy buggers do stay at home true, but the workers I employ there just keep going and going.
If you travel through Bucharest, Warsaw or any major Eastern European city you can see how the population is generally younger and certainly slimmer than us.
I travel a lot out there and not the tourist areas most people frequent.
Poverty has been rife in Romania due to corruption in government but it’s getting better for the people as those leaders are starting to go to jail.
The thing that is very evident is the updating and development going on. Yes some of it from the EU funding I agree but far more from a lot of international companies moving in.
People in the U.K. think a lot of these countries are backward. They’re not and they will soon overtake us. The middle of Europe can go East just as easily as West.
I went to a conference in Warsaw last year for international business. It was full of European companies trying to trade with each other. They were from all over the place Kazakhstan, Germany Netherlands, Russia etc
There was only one U.K. company exhibiting there. We only think of our own little world.
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
Switzerland and Norway both pay into the EU as EEA members. They accept free movement and do not get all the benefits. They pay less per head than the U.K. as a result but are not entitled to the full grant system back. They have to ratify EU directives in their parliament but usually nod them through.
As Norway is so wealthy they would be a large contributor but their small population wouldn’t particularly benefit so they don’t need the EU and all it’s functions. They chose to join as it’s a positive for their population and are happy to pay.
The Norway system was the preferred option for a lot of economists in the UK as it would cause less financial risk/damage. But immigration was the headline issue for Farage and Co. so Boris agreed to dismiss the idea in fear of his right wing.
I can’t comment on Switzerland too much as not sure of my history but I noticed they voted to continue free movement in a referendum recently as they see that as a good thing.
Btw Poland is set to outstrip Italy and France by 2030 as an economy so Poland will be a big net contributor. Fucking immigrants being successful in their own country whatever next. Oh yes we’ll be trying to move there for jobs. Oh hang on we haven’t got free movement. Damn
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Poland will outstrip Italy and Spain .
So EU membership has not been much of a benefit to Italy and Spain then has it
Their GDP both look pretty steady and neither of their Economies’ value shrank in 2016 as ours did!
Poland is getting a large amount of the manufacturing industries moving from the Far East coming back to that big f**in market called the EU so will be yet another successful large economy adding funds . But we don’t want anything to do with such dynamic economies do we.
We will have lots of fish and a mega deal with the USA so no worries.
So if Poland are so sucessfull why are they the largest net beneficiary of EU funding. If this is the case the cost allocation basis must be completely skewed or just guess work.
Indeed they are and their growth through infrastructure investment will be rapid. We would be exporting goods to them as a result but hey we don’t want to do that do we as we’re putting up the barriers.
Turning that investment into a good return is the aim which will make them a net contributor to the EU. Something you would welcome.
If people are successful they buy stuff, our stuff, including finance and as the Polish work mentality is better than ours that’s where both EU and International money is going. Slovakia and Romania will also be following suit.
We have only ever invested in London as a nation with the EU identifying South Wales Cornwall and the North East as areas needing help. Have you heard the U.K. government say they are keeping those investment levels?
The UK’s skewered investment into London is not going to change any time soon as we can’t afford to invest in the rest of the U.K. now. COVID has ensured that fact. Good luck if you live in a deprived area.
If you are part of a successful economic area like the EU it can only be a good thing. With the state of our U.K. governments over the years I’m sure it wouldn’t have been too long before we were a net receiver.
If it’s so bad to be in a club why is America part of NAFTA. They’re the biggest economy as a single country in the world so why would they need to be in the club?. I can tell you the answer.. it’s good for business and therefore jobs. If you answer we didn’t vote for the EU then why didn’t we go the Norway route?
It would make perfect sense wouldn’t it? Boris says no! Hmm why is that?
Brexiteers believe the worlds looking our way. They’re not. They are looking at everywhere but here and our voice is getting quieter and quieter.
We will survive I’m sure but we are going to be a lot poorer than we would have been otherwise.
Why on Earth do you think the Polish work mentality is better or different to ours?
Experience of employing both U.K. and Eastern European both here and in Eastern Europe.
Just to clarify this comment it’s not all people don’t work hard it’s a personal perspective on attitudes I have experienced both here and abroad. There are lazy Polish folk but there appears less than in the U.K.
We have become soft and have an attitude of entitlement.
Generally I agree. However, those that come here for work are more likely to be more inclined to work. Their lazy buggers stay at home.
Their lazy buggers do stay at home true, but the workers I employ there just keep going and going.
If you travel through Bucharest, Warsaw or any major Eastern European city you can see how the population is generally younger and certainly slimmer than us.
I travel a lot out there and not the tourist areas most people frequent.
Poverty has been rife in Romania due to corruption in government but it’s getting better for the people as those leaders are starting to go to jail.
The thing that is very evident is the updating and development going on. Yes some of it from the EU funding I agree but far more from a lot of international companies moving in.
People in the U.K. think a lot of these countries are backward. They’re not and they will soon overtake us. The middle of Europe can go East just as easily as West.
I went to a conference in Warsaw last year for international business. It was full of European companies trying to trade with each other. They were from all over the place Kazakhstan, Germany Netherlands, Russia etc
There was only one U.K. company exhibiting there. We only think of our own little world.
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Dont know how true it is..but read something where boris is going to be seen as the fall guy for brexit.
Soon as its over the line he will be jettisoned and any blame shifting,can be laid at his door. |
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
Switzerland and Norway both pay into the EU as EEA members. They accept free movement and do not get all the benefits. They pay less per head than the U.K. as a result but are not entitled to the full grant system back. They have to ratify EU directives in their parliament but usually nod them through.
As Norway is so wealthy they would be a large contributor but their small population wouldn’t particularly benefit so they don’t need the EU and all it’s functions. They chose to join as it’s a positive for their population and are happy to pay.
The Norway system was the preferred option for a lot of economists in the UK as it would cause less financial risk/damage. But immigration was the headline issue for Farage and Co. so Boris agreed to dismiss the idea in fear of his right wing.
I can’t comment on Switzerland too much as not sure of my history but I noticed they voted to continue free movement in a referendum recently as they see that as a good thing.
Btw Poland is set to outstrip Italy and France by 2030 as an economy so Poland will be a big net contributor. Fucking immigrants being successful in their own country whatever next. Oh yes we’ll be trying to move there for jobs. Oh hang on we haven’t got free movement. Damn
Correction
Poland will outstrip Italy and Spain .
So EU membership has not been much of a benefit to Italy and Spain then has it
Their GDP both look pretty steady and neither of their Economies’ value shrank in 2016 as ours did!
Poland is getting a large amount of the manufacturing industries moving from the Far East coming back to that big f**in market called the EU so will be yet another successful large economy adding funds . But we don’t want anything to do with such dynamic economies do we.
We will have lots of fish and a mega deal with the USA so no worries.
So if Poland are so sucessfull why are they the largest net beneficiary of EU funding. If this is the case the cost allocation basis must be completely skewed or just guess work.
Indeed they are and their growth through infrastructure investment will be rapid. We would be exporting goods to them as a result but hey we don’t want to do that do we as we’re putting up the barriers.
Turning that investment into a good return is the aim which will make them a net contributor to the EU. Something you would welcome.
If people are successful they buy stuff, our stuff, including finance and as the Polish work mentality is better than ours that’s where both EU and International money is going. Slovakia and Romania will also be following suit.
We have only ever invested in London as a nation with the EU identifying South Wales Cornwall and the North East as areas needing help. Have you heard the U.K. government say they are keeping those investment levels?
The UK’s skewered investment into London is not going to change any time soon as we can’t afford to invest in the rest of the U.K. now. COVID has ensured that fact. Good luck if you live in a deprived area.
If you are part of a successful economic area like the EU it can only be a good thing. With the state of our U.K. governments over the years I’m sure it wouldn’t have been too long before we were a net receiver.
If it’s so bad to be in a club why is America part of NAFTA. They’re the biggest economy as a single country in the world so why would they need to be in the club?. I can tell you the answer.. it’s good for business and therefore jobs. If you answer we didn’t vote for the EU then why didn’t we go the Norway route?
It would make perfect sense wouldn’t it? Boris says no! Hmm why is that?
Brexiteers believe the worlds looking our way. They’re not. They are looking at everywhere but here and our voice is getting quieter and quieter.
We will survive I’m sure but we are going to be a lot poorer than we would have been otherwise. "
Super.
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"Dont know how true it is..but read something where boris is going to be seen as the fall guy for brexit.
Soon as its over the line he will be jettisoned and any blame shifting,can be laid at his door."
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"Dont know how true it is..but read something where boris is going to be seen as the fall guy for brexit.
Soon as its over the line he will be jettisoned and any blame shifting,can be laid at his door.
What, on a toilet wall? "
Well lets see what happens.
He is certainly the main person seen as being responsible for Brexit. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
Switzerland and Norway both pay into the EU as EEA members. They accept free movement and do not get all the benefits. They pay less per head than the U.K. as a result but are not entitled to the full grant system back. They have to ratify EU directives in their parliament but usually nod them through.
As Norway is so wealthy they would be a large contributor but their small population wouldn’t particularly benefit so they don’t need the EU and all it’s functions. They chose to join as it’s a positive for their population and are happy to pay.
The Norway system was the preferred option for a lot of economists in the UK as it would cause less financial risk/damage. But immigration was the headline issue for Farage and Co. so Boris agreed to dismiss the idea in fear of his right wing.
I can’t comment on Switzerland too much as not sure of my history but I noticed they voted to continue free movement in a referendum recently as they see that as a good thing.
Btw Poland is set to outstrip Italy and France by 2030 as an economy so Poland will be a big net contributor. Fucking immigrants being successful in their own country whatever next. Oh yes we’ll be trying to move there for jobs. Oh hang on we haven’t got free movement. Damn
Correction
Poland will outstrip Italy and Spain .
So EU membership has not been much of a benefit to Italy and Spain then has it
Their GDP both look pretty steady and neither of their Economies’ value shrank in 2016 as ours did!
Poland is getting a large amount of the manufacturing industries moving from the Far East coming back to that big f**in market called the EU so will be yet another successful large economy adding funds . But we don’t want anything to do with such dynamic economies do we.
We will have lots of fish and a mega deal with the USA so no worries.
So if Poland are so sucessfull why are they the largest net beneficiary of EU funding. If this is the case the cost allocation basis must be completely skewed or just guess work.
Indeed they are and their growth through infrastructure investment will be rapid. We would be exporting goods to them as a result but hey we don’t want to do that do we as we’re putting up the barriers.
Turning that investment into a good return is the aim which will make them a net contributor to the EU. Something you would welcome.
If people are successful they buy stuff, our stuff, including finance and as the Polish work mentality is better than ours that’s where both EU and International money is going. Slovakia and Romania will also be following suit.
We have only ever invested in London as a nation with the EU identifying South Wales Cornwall and the North East as areas needing help. Have you heard the U.K. government say they are keeping those investment levels?
The UK’s skewered investment into London is not going to change any time soon as we can’t afford to invest in the rest of the U.K. now. COVID has ensured that fact. Good luck if you live in a deprived area.
If you are part of a successful economic area like the EU it can only be a good thing. With the state of our U.K. governments over the years I’m sure it wouldn’t have been too long before we were a net receiver.
If it’s so bad to be in a club why is America part of NAFTA. They’re the biggest economy as a single country in the world so why would they need to be in the club?. I can tell you the answer.. it’s good for business and therefore jobs. If you answer we didn’t vote for the EU then why didn’t we go the Norway route?
It would make perfect sense wouldn’t it? Boris says no! Hmm why is that?
Brexiteers believe the worlds looking our way. They’re not. They are looking at everywhere but here and our voice is getting quieter and quieter.
We will survive I’m sure but we are going to be a lot poorer than we would have been otherwise. Super.
So apart from a few Eastern European countries, who else has applied to join this wonderful institution? "
Erm ... isn’t 27 a pretty good number? Plus the few previously mentioned waiting. Which is two thirds of Europe if you include the likes of Turkey as being in Europe. It’s called the European Union so not world wide club. I can’t see Chile or Mongolia wanting to join.
The remaining countries in Europe such as Turkey are mostly unable to join due to financial weakness or civil rights.
So in effect those who can join have done already. Your point is mute.
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By *exy7Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
Switzerland and Norway both pay into the EU as EEA members. They accept free movement and do not get all the benefits. They pay less per head than the U.K. as a result but are not entitled to the full grant system back. They have to ratify EU directives in their parliament but usually nod them through.
As Norway is so wealthy they would be a large contributor but their small population wouldn’t particularly benefit so they don’t need the EU and all it’s functions. They chose to join as it’s a positive for their population and are happy to pay.
The Norway system was the preferred option for a lot of economists in the UK as it would cause less financial risk/damage. But immigration was the headline issue for Farage and Co. so Boris agreed to dismiss the idea in fear of his right wing.
I can’t comment on Switzerland too much as not sure of my history but I noticed they voted to continue free movement in a referendum recently as they see that as a good thing.
Btw Poland is set to outstrip Italy and France by 2030 as an economy so Poland will be a big net contributor. Fucking immigrants being successful in their own country whatever next. Oh yes we’ll be trying to move there for jobs. Oh hang on we haven’t got free movement. Damn
Correction
Poland will outstrip Italy and Spain .
So EU membership has not been much of a benefit to Italy and Spain then has it
Their GDP both look pretty steady and neither of their Economies’ value shrank in 2016 as ours did!
Poland is getting a large amount of the manufacturing industries moving from the Far East coming back to that big f**in market called the EU so will be yet another successful large economy adding funds . But we don’t want anything to do with such dynamic economies do we.
We will have lots of fish and a mega deal with the USA so no worries.
So if Poland are so sucessfull why are they the largest net beneficiary of EU funding. If this is the case the cost allocation basis must be completely skewed or just guess work.
Indeed they are and their growth through infrastructure investment will be rapid. We would be exporting goods to them as a result but hey we don’t want to do that do we as we’re putting up the barriers.
Turning that investment into a good return is the aim which will make them a net contributor to the EU. Something you would welcome.
If people are successful they buy stuff, our stuff, including finance and as the Polish work mentality is better than ours that’s where both EU and International money is going. Slovakia and Romania will also be following suit.
We have only ever invested in London as a nation with the EU identifying South Wales Cornwall and the North East as areas needing help. Have you heard the U.K. government say they are keeping those investment levels?
The UK’s skewered investment into London is not going to change any time soon as we can’t afford to invest in the rest of the U.K. now. COVID has ensured that fact. Good luck if you live in a deprived area.
If you are part of a successful economic area like the EU it can only be a good thing. With the state of our U.K. governments over the years I’m sure it wouldn’t have been too long before we were a net receiver.
If it’s so bad to be in a club why is America part of NAFTA. They’re the biggest economy as a single country in the world so why would they need to be in the club?. I can tell you the answer.. it’s good for business and therefore jobs. If you answer we didn’t vote for the EU then why didn’t we go the Norway route?
It would make perfect sense wouldn’t it? Boris says no! Hmm why is that?
Brexiteers believe the worlds looking our way. They’re not. They are looking at everywhere but here and our voice is getting quieter and quieter.
We will survive I’m sure but we are going to be a lot poorer than we would have been otherwise. Super.
So apart from a few Eastern European countries, who else has applied to join this wonderful institution? "
Pretty much every European country. 27 and counting. Are you telling us that the EU is crap because Bolivia is not interested? |
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
Switzerland and Norway both pay into the EU as EEA members. They accept free movement and do not get all the benefits. They pay less per head than the U.K. as a result but are not entitled to the full grant system back. They have to ratify EU directives in their parliament but usually nod them through.
As Norway is so wealthy they would be a large contributor but their small population wouldn’t particularly benefit so they don’t need the EU and all it’s functions. They chose to join as it’s a positive for their population and are happy to pay.
The Norway system was the preferred option for a lot of economists in the UK as it would cause less financial risk/damage. But immigration was the headline issue for Farage and Co. so Boris agreed to dismiss the idea in fear of his right wing.
I can’t comment on Switzerland too much as not sure of my history but I noticed they voted to continue free movement in a referendum recently as they see that as a good thing.
Btw Poland is set to outstrip Italy and France by 2030 as an economy so Poland will be a big net contributor. Fucking immigrants being successful in their own country whatever next. Oh yes we’ll be trying to move there for jobs. Oh hang on we haven’t got free movement. Damn
Correction
Poland will outstrip Italy and Spain .
So EU membership has not been much of a benefit to Italy and Spain then has it
Their GDP both look pretty steady and neither of their Economies’ value shrank in 2016 as ours did!
Poland is getting a large amount of the manufacturing industries moving from the Far East coming back to that big f**in market called the EU so will be yet another successful large economy adding funds . But we don’t want anything to do with such dynamic economies do we.
We will have lots of fish and a mega deal with the USA so no worries.
So if Poland are so sucessfull why are they the largest net beneficiary of EU funding. If this is the case the cost allocation basis must be completely skewed or just guess work.
Indeed they are and their growth through infrastructure investment will be rapid. We would be exporting goods to them as a result but hey we don’t want to do that do we as we’re putting up the barriers.
Turning that investment into a good return is the aim which will make them a net contributor to the EU. Something you would welcome.
If people are successful they buy stuff, our stuff, including finance and as the Polish work mentality is better than ours that’s where both EU and International money is going. Slovakia and Romania will also be following suit.
We have only ever invested in London as a nation with the EU identifying South Wales Cornwall and the North East as areas needing help. Have you heard the U.K. government say they are keeping those investment levels?
The UK’s skewered investment into London is not going to change any time soon as we can’t afford to invest in the rest of the U.K. now. COVID has ensured that fact. Good luck if you live in a deprived area.
If you are part of a successful economic area like the EU it can only be a good thing. With the state of our U.K. governments over the years I’m sure it wouldn’t have been too long before we were a net receiver.
If it’s so bad to be in a club why is America part of NAFTA. They’re the biggest economy as a single country in the world so why would they need to be in the club?. I can tell you the answer.. it’s good for business and therefore jobs. If you answer we didn’t vote for the EU then why didn’t we go the Norway route?
It would make perfect sense wouldn’t it? Boris says no! Hmm why is that?
Brexiteers believe the worlds looking our way. They’re not. They are looking at everywhere but here and our voice is getting quieter and quieter.
We will survive I’m sure but we are going to be a lot poorer than we would have been otherwise. Super.
So apart from a few Eastern European countries, who else has applied to join this wonderful institution?
Pretty much every European country. 27 and counting. Are you telling us that the EU is crap because Bolivia is not interested? "
Did you ever see that clip of boris where the what have the romans ever done for us dubbed over it?
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By *exy7Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
Switzerland and Norway both pay into the EU as EEA members. They accept free movement and do not get all the benefits. They pay less per head than the U.K. as a result but are not entitled to the full grant system back. They have to ratify EU directives in their parliament but usually nod them through.
As Norway is so wealthy they would be a large contributor but their small population wouldn’t particularly benefit so they don’t need the EU and all it’s functions. They chose to join as it’s a positive for their population and are happy to pay.
The Norway system was the preferred option for a lot of economists in the UK as it would cause less financial risk/damage. But immigration was the headline issue for Farage and Co. so Boris agreed to dismiss the idea in fear of his right wing.
I can’t comment on Switzerland too much as not sure of my history but I noticed they voted to continue free movement in a referendum recently as they see that as a good thing.
Btw Poland is set to outstrip Italy and France by 2030 as an economy so Poland will be a big net contributor. Fucking immigrants being successful in their own country whatever next. Oh yes we’ll be trying to move there for jobs. Oh hang on we haven’t got free movement. Damn
Correction
Poland will outstrip Italy and Spain .
So EU membership has not been much of a benefit to Italy and Spain then has it
Their GDP both look pretty steady and neither of their Economies’ value shrank in 2016 as ours did!
Poland is getting a large amount of the manufacturing industries moving from the Far East coming back to that big f**in market called the EU so will be yet another successful large economy adding funds . But we don’t want anything to do with such dynamic economies do we.
We will have lots of fish and a mega deal with the USA so no worries.
So if Poland are so sucessfull why are they the largest net beneficiary of EU funding. If this is the case the cost allocation basis must be completely skewed or just guess work.
Indeed they are and their growth through infrastructure investment will be rapid. We would be exporting goods to them as a result but hey we don’t want to do that do we as we’re putting up the barriers.
Turning that investment into a good return is the aim which will make them a net contributor to the EU. Something you would welcome.
If people are successful they buy stuff, our stuff, including finance and as the Polish work mentality is better than ours that’s where both EU and International money is going. Slovakia and Romania will also be following suit.
We have only ever invested in London as a nation with the EU identifying South Wales Cornwall and the North East as areas needing help. Have you heard the U.K. government say they are keeping those investment levels?
The UK’s skewered investment into London is not going to change any time soon as we can’t afford to invest in the rest of the U.K. now. COVID has ensured that fact. Good luck if you live in a deprived area.
If you are part of a successful economic area like the EU it can only be a good thing. With the state of our U.K. governments over the years I’m sure it wouldn’t have been too long before we were a net receiver.
If it’s so bad to be in a club why is America part of NAFTA. They’re the biggest economy as a single country in the world so why would they need to be in the club?. I can tell you the answer.. it’s good for business and therefore jobs. If you answer we didn’t vote for the EU then why didn’t we go the Norway route?
It would make perfect sense wouldn’t it? Boris says no! Hmm why is that?
Brexiteers believe the worlds looking our way. They’re not. They are looking at everywhere but here and our voice is getting quieter and quieter.
We will survive I’m sure but we are going to be a lot poorer than we would have been otherwise. Super.
So apart from a few Eastern European countries, who else has applied to join this wonderful institution?
Pretty much every European country. 27 and counting. Are you telling us that the EU is crap because Bolivia is not interested?
Did you ever see that clip of boris where the what have the romans ever done for us dubbed over it?
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
Switzerland and Norway both pay into the EU as EEA members. They accept free movement and do not get all the benefits. They pay less per head than the U.K. as a result but are not entitled to the full grant system back. They have to ratify EU directives in their parliament but usually nod them through.
As Norway is so wealthy they would be a large contributor but their small population wouldn’t particularly benefit so they don’t need the EU and all it’s functions. They chose to join as it’s a positive for their population and are happy to pay.
The Norway system was the preferred option for a lot of economists in the UK as it would cause less financial risk/damage. But immigration was the headline issue for Farage and Co. so Boris agreed to dismiss the idea in fear of his right wing.
I can’t comment on Switzerland too much as not sure of my history but I noticed they voted to continue free movement in a referendum recently as they see that as a good thing.
Btw Poland is set to outstrip Italy and France by 2030 as an economy so Poland will be a big net contributor. Fucking immigrants being successful in their own country whatever next. Oh yes we’ll be trying to move there for jobs. Oh hang on we haven’t got free movement. Damn
Correction
Poland will outstrip Italy and Spain .
So EU membership has not been much of a benefit to Italy and Spain then has it
Their GDP both look pretty steady and neither of their Economies’ value shrank in 2016 as ours did!
Poland is getting a large amount of the manufacturing industries moving from the Far East coming back to that big f**in market called the EU so will be yet another successful large economy adding funds . But we don’t want anything to do with such dynamic economies do we.
We will have lots of fish and a mega deal with the USA so no worries.
So if Poland are so sucessfull why are they the largest net beneficiary of EU funding. If this is the case the cost allocation basis must be completely skewed or just guess work.
Indeed they are and their growth through infrastructure investment will be rapid. We would be exporting goods to them as a result but hey we don’t want to do that do we as we’re putting up the barriers.
Turning that investment into a good return is the aim which will make them a net contributor to the EU. Something you would welcome.
If people are successful they buy stuff, our stuff, including finance and as the Polish work mentality is better than ours that’s where both EU and International money is going. Slovakia and Romania will also be following suit.
We have only ever invested in London as a nation with the EU identifying South Wales Cornwall and the North East as areas needing help. Have you heard the U.K. government say they are keeping those investment levels?
The UK’s skewered investment into London is not going to change any time soon as we can’t afford to invest in the rest of the U.K. now. COVID has ensured that fact. Good luck if you live in a deprived area.
If you are part of a successful economic area like the EU it can only be a good thing. With the state of our U.K. governments over the years I’m sure it wouldn’t have been too long before we were a net receiver.
If it’s so bad to be in a club why is America part of NAFTA. They’re the biggest economy as a single country in the world so why would they need to be in the club?. I can tell you the answer.. it’s good for business and therefore jobs. If you answer we didn’t vote for the EU then why didn’t we go the Norway route?
It would make perfect sense wouldn’t it? Boris says no! Hmm why is that?
Brexiteers believe the worlds looking our way. They’re not. They are looking at everywhere but here and our voice is getting quieter and quieter.
We will survive I’m sure but we are going to be a lot poorer than we would have been otherwise. Super.
So apart from a few Eastern European countries, who else has applied to join this wonderful institution?
Pretty much every European country. 27 and counting. Are you telling us that the EU is crap because Bolivia is not interested? "
No I’m telling you that you must have missed a few school lessons especially geography and need to look at a map.
As far as I remember Bolivia is not in Europe.
I’ll say it again it’s called the EU not the World U. Not quite sure why your struggling to understand the concept or a regional economic zone.
It’s another reason the EU works so well being so close together . Cheap logistics. Do you know how much it costs to get a container to South America compared to Germany? I do and that’s why we sell in Germany not Bolivia.
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over a year ago
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
Switzerland and Norway both pay into the EU as EEA members. They accept free movement and do not get all the benefits. They pay less per head than the U.K. as a result but are not entitled to the full grant system back. They have to ratify EU directives in their parliament but usually nod them through.
As Norway is so wealthy they would be a large contributor but their small population wouldn’t particularly benefit so they don’t need the EU and all it’s functions. They chose to join as it’s a positive for their population and are happy to pay.
The Norway system was the preferred option for a lot of economists in the UK as it would cause less financial risk/damage. But immigration was the headline issue for Farage and Co. so Boris agreed to dismiss the idea in fear of his right wing.
I can’t comment on Switzerland too much as not sure of my history but I noticed they voted to continue free movement in a referendum recently as they see that as a good thing.
Btw Poland is set to outstrip Italy and France by 2030 as an economy so Poland will be a big net contributor. Fucking immigrants being successful in their own country whatever next. Oh yes we’ll be trying to move there for jobs. Oh hang on we haven’t got free movement. Damn
Correction
Poland will outstrip Italy and Spain .
So EU membership has not been much of a benefit to Italy and Spain then has it
Their GDP both look pretty steady and neither of their Economies’ value shrank in 2016 as ours did!
Poland is getting a large amount of the manufacturing industries moving from the Far East coming back to that big f**in market called the EU so will be yet another successful large economy adding funds . But we don’t want anything to do with such dynamic economies do we.
We will have lots of fish and a mega deal with the USA so no worries.
So if Poland are so sucessfull why are they the largest net beneficiary of EU funding. If this is the case the cost allocation basis must be completely skewed or just guess work.
Indeed they are and their growth through infrastructure investment will be rapid. We would be exporting goods to them as a result but hey we don’t want to do that do we as we’re putting up the barriers.
Turning that investment into a good return is the aim which will make them a net contributor to the EU. Something you would welcome.
If people are successful they buy stuff, our stuff, including finance and as the Polish work mentality is better than ours that’s where both EU and International money is going. Slovakia and Romania will also be following suit.
We have only ever invested in London as a nation with the EU identifying South Wales Cornwall and the North East as areas needing help. Have you heard the U.K. government say they are keeping those investment levels?
The UK’s skewered investment into London is not going to change any time soon as we can’t afford to invest in the rest of the U.K. now. COVID has ensured that fact. Good luck if you live in a deprived area.
If you are part of a successful economic area like the EU it can only be a good thing. With the state of our U.K. governments over the years I’m sure it wouldn’t have been too long before we were a net receiver.
If it’s so bad to be in a club why is America part of NAFTA. They’re the biggest economy as a single country in the world so why would they need to be in the club?. I can tell you the answer.. it’s good for business and therefore jobs. If you answer we didn’t vote for the EU then why didn’t we go the Norway route?
It would make perfect sense wouldn’t it? Boris says no! Hmm why is that?
Brexiteers believe the worlds looking our way. They’re not. They are looking at everywhere but here and our voice is getting quieter and quieter.
We will survive I’m sure but we are going to be a lot poorer than we would have been otherwise. Super.
So apart from a few Eastern European countries, who else has applied to join this wonderful institution?
Pretty much every European country. 27 and counting. Are you telling us that the EU is crap because Bolivia is not interested?
No I’m telling you that you must have missed a few school lessons especially geography and need to look at a map.
As far as I remember Bolivia is not in Europe.
I’ll say it again it’s called the EU not the World U. Not quite sure why your struggling to understand the concept or a regional economic zone.
It’s another reason the EU works so well being so close together . Cheap logistics. Do you know how much it costs to get a container to South America compared to Germany? I do and that’s why we sell in Germany not Bolivia.
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
Switzerland and Norway both pay into the EU as EEA members. They accept free movement and do not get all the benefits. They pay less per head than the U.K. as a result but are not entitled to the full grant system back. They have to ratify EU directives in their parliament but usually nod them through.
As Norway is so wealthy they would be a large contributor but their small population wouldn’t particularly benefit so they don’t need the EU and all it’s functions. They chose to join as it’s a positive for their population and are happy to pay.
The Norway system was the preferred option for a lot of economists in the UK as it would cause less financial risk/damage. But immigration was the headline issue for Farage and Co. so Boris agreed to dismiss the idea in fear of his right wing.
I can’t comment on Switzerland too much as not sure of my history but I noticed they voted to continue free movement in a referendum recently as they see that as a good thing.
Btw Poland is set to outstrip Italy and France by 2030 as an economy so Poland will be a big net contributor. Fucking immigrants being successful in their own country whatever next. Oh yes we’ll be trying to move there for jobs. Oh hang on we haven’t got free movement. Damn
Correction
Poland will outstrip Italy and Spain .
So EU membership has not been much of a benefit to Italy and Spain then has it
Their GDP both look pretty steady and neither of their Economies’ value shrank in 2016 as ours did!
Poland is getting a large amount of the manufacturing industries moving from the Far East coming back to that big f**in market called the EU so will be yet another successful large economy adding funds . But we don’t want anything to do with such dynamic economies do we.
We will have lots of fish and a mega deal with the USA so no worries.
So if Poland are so sucessfull why are they the largest net beneficiary of EU funding. If this is the case the cost allocation basis must be completely skewed or just guess work.
Indeed they are and their growth through infrastructure investment will be rapid. We would be exporting goods to them as a result but hey we don’t want to do that do we as we’re putting up the barriers.
Turning that investment into a good return is the aim which will make them a net contributor to the EU. Something you would welcome.
If people are successful they buy stuff, our stuff, including finance and as the Polish work mentality is better than ours that’s where both EU and International money is going. Slovakia and Romania will also be following suit.
We have only ever invested in London as a nation with the EU identifying South Wales Cornwall and the North East as areas needing help. Have you heard the U.K. government say they are keeping those investment levels?
The UK’s skewered investment into London is not going to change any time soon as we can’t afford to invest in the rest of the U.K. now. COVID has ensured that fact. Good luck if you live in a deprived area.
If you are part of a successful economic area like the EU it can only be a good thing. With the state of our U.K. governments over the years I’m sure it wouldn’t have been too long before we were a net receiver.
If it’s so bad to be in a club why is America part of NAFTA. They’re the biggest economy as a single country in the world so why would they need to be in the club?. I can tell you the answer.. it’s good for business and therefore jobs. If you answer we didn’t vote for the EU then why didn’t we go the Norway route?
It would make perfect sense wouldn’t it? Boris says no! Hmm why is that?
Brexiteers believe the worlds looking our way. They’re not. They are looking at everywhere but here and our voice is getting quieter and quieter.
We will survive I’m sure but we are going to be a lot poorer than we would have been otherwise. Super.
So apart from a few Eastern European countries, who else has applied to join this wonderful institution?
Pretty much every European country. 27 and counting. Are you telling us that the EU is crap because Bolivia is not interested?
No I’m telling you that you must have missed a few school lessons especially geography and need to look at a map.
As far as I remember Bolivia is not in Europe.
I’ll say it again it’s called the EU not the World U. Not quite sure why your struggling to understand the concept or a regional economic zone.
It’s another reason the EU works so well being so close together . Cheap logistics. Do you know how much it costs to get a container to South America compared to Germany? I do and that’s why we sell in Germany not Bolivia.
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Apparently it costs over a million pound just to take a ship through the panama canal so probably a tad more than the chunnel |
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
Switzerland and Norway both pay into the EU as EEA members. They accept free movement and do not get all the benefits. They pay less per head than the U.K. as a result but are not entitled to the full grant system back. They have to ratify EU directives in their parliament but usually nod them through.
As Norway is so wealthy they would be a large contributor but their small population wouldn’t particularly benefit so they don’t need the EU and all it’s functions. They chose to join as it’s a positive for their population and are happy to pay.
The Norway system was the preferred option for a lot of economists in the UK as it would cause less financial risk/damage. But immigration was the headline issue for Farage and Co. so Boris agreed to dismiss the idea in fear of his right wing.
I can’t comment on Switzerland too much as not sure of my history but I noticed they voted to continue free movement in a referendum recently as they see that as a good thing.
Btw Poland is set to outstrip Italy and France by 2030 as an economy so Poland will be a big net contributor. Fucking immigrants being successful in their own country whatever next. Oh yes we’ll be trying to move there for jobs. Oh hang on we haven’t got free movement. Damn
Correction
Poland will outstrip Italy and Spain .
So EU membership has not been much of a benefit to Italy and Spain then has it
Their GDP both look pretty steady and neither of their Economies’ value shrank in 2016 as ours did!
Poland is getting a large amount of the manufacturing industries moving from the Far East coming back to that big f**in market called the EU so will be yet another successful large economy adding funds . But we don’t want anything to do with such dynamic economies do we.
We will have lots of fish and a mega deal with the USA so no worries.
So if Poland are so sucessfull why are they the largest net beneficiary of EU funding. If this is the case the cost allocation basis must be completely skewed or just guess work.
Indeed they are and their growth through infrastructure investment will be rapid. We would be exporting goods to them as a result but hey we don’t want to do that do we as we’re putting up the barriers.
Turning that investment into a good return is the aim which will make them a net contributor to the EU. Something you would welcome.
If people are successful they buy stuff, our stuff, including finance and as the Polish work mentality is better than ours that’s where both EU and International money is going. Slovakia and Romania will also be following suit.
We have only ever invested in London as a nation with the EU identifying South Wales Cornwall and the North East as areas needing help. Have you heard the U.K. government say they are keeping those investment levels?
The UK’s skewered investment into London is not going to change any time soon as we can’t afford to invest in the rest of the U.K. now. COVID has ensured that fact. Good luck if you live in a deprived area.
If you are part of a successful economic area like the EU it can only be a good thing. With the state of our U.K. governments over the years I’m sure it wouldn’t have been too long before we were a net receiver.
If it’s so bad to be in a club why is America part of NAFTA. They’re the biggest economy as a single country in the world so why would they need to be in the club?. I can tell you the answer.. it’s good for business and therefore jobs. If you answer we didn’t vote for the EU then why didn’t we go the Norway route?
It would make perfect sense wouldn’t it? Boris says no! Hmm why is that?
Brexiteers believe the worlds looking our way. They’re not. They are looking at everywhere but here and our voice is getting quieter and quieter.
We will survive I’m sure but we are going to be a lot poorer than we would have been otherwise.
Why on Earth do you think the Polish work mentality is better or different to ours?
Experience of employing both U.K. and Eastern European both here and in Eastern Europe.
Just to clarify this comment it’s not all people don’t work hard it’s a personal perspective on attitudes I have experienced both here and abroad. There are lazy Polish folk but there appears less than in the U.K.
We have become soft and have an attitude of entitlement.
Generally I agree. However, those that come here for work are more likely to be more inclined to work. Their lazy buggers stay at home.
Their lazy buggers do stay at home true, but the workers I employ there just keep going and going.
If you travel through Bucharest, Warsaw or any major Eastern European city you can see how the population is generally younger and certainly slimmer than us.
I travel a lot out there and not the tourist areas most people frequent.
Poverty has been rife in Romania due to corruption in government but it’s getting better for the people as those leaders are starting to go to jail.
The thing that is very evident is the updating and development going on. Yes some of it from the EU funding I agree but far more from a lot of international companies moving in.
People in the U.K. think a lot of these countries are backward. They’re not and they will soon overtake us. The middle of Europe can go East just as easily as West.
I went to a conference in Warsaw last year for international business. It was full of European companies trying to trade with each other. They were from all over the place Kazakhstan, Germany Netherlands, Russia etc
There was only one U.K. company exhibiting there. We only think of our own little world.
Hilarious. So when do you think Poland will leave the EU? When their economy overtakes Spain and Italy or when the EU kick them out for making their own laws? "
Nope. I'm back to thinking you're not for real again.
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands... "
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
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over a year ago
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated."
Yep.
Us Brits do get lessons on EU institutions. In the Daily Nail...  |
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated."
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
Switzerland and Norway both pay into the EU as EEA members. They accept free movement and do not get all the benefits. They pay less per head than the U.K. as a result but are not entitled to the full grant system back. They have to ratify EU directives in their parliament but usually nod them through.
As Norway is so wealthy they would be a large contributor but their small population wouldn’t particularly benefit so they don’t need the EU and all it’s functions. They chose to join as it’s a positive for their population and are happy to pay.
The Norway system was the preferred option for a lot of economists in the UK as it would cause less financial risk/damage. But immigration was the headline issue for Farage and Co. so Boris agreed to dismiss the idea in fear of his right wing.
I can’t comment on Switzerland too much as not sure of my history but I noticed they voted to continue free movement in a referendum recently as they see that as a good thing.
Btw Poland is set to outstrip Italy and France by 2030 as an economy so Poland will be a big net contributor. Fucking immigrants being successful in their own country whatever next. Oh yes we’ll be trying to move there for jobs. Oh hang on we haven’t got free movement. Damn
Correction
Poland will outstrip Italy and Spain .
So EU membership has not been much of a benefit to Italy and Spain then has it
Their GDP both look pretty steady and neither of their Economies’ value shrank in 2016 as ours did!
Poland is getting a large amount of the manufacturing industries moving from the Far East coming back to that big f**in market called the EU so will be yet another successful large economy adding funds . But we don’t want anything to do with such dynamic economies do we.
We will have lots of fish and a mega deal with the USA so no worries.
So if Poland are so sucessfull why are they the largest net beneficiary of EU funding. If this is the case the cost allocation basis must be completely skewed or just guess work.
Indeed they are and their growth through infrastructure investment will be rapid. We would be exporting goods to them as a result but hey we don’t want to do that do we as we’re putting up the barriers.
Turning that investment into a good return is the aim which will make them a net contributor to the EU. Something you would welcome.
If people are successful they buy stuff, our stuff, including finance and as the Polish work mentality is better than ours that’s where both EU and International money is going. Slovakia and Romania will also be following suit.
We have only ever invested in London as a nation with the EU identifying South Wales Cornwall and the North East as areas needing help. Have you heard the U.K. government say they are keeping those investment levels?
The UK’s skewered investment into London is not going to change any time soon as we can’t afford to invest in the rest of the U.K. now. COVID has ensured that fact. Good luck if you live in a deprived area.
If you are part of a successful economic area like the EU it can only be a good thing. With the state of our U.K. governments over the years I’m sure it wouldn’t have been too long before we were a net receiver.
If it’s so bad to be in a club why is America part of NAFTA. They’re the biggest economy as a single country in the world so why would they need to be in the club?. I can tell you the answer.. it’s good for business and therefore jobs. If you answer we didn’t vote for the EU then why didn’t we go the Norway route?
It would make perfect sense wouldn’t it? Boris says no! Hmm why is that?
Brexiteers believe the worlds looking our way. They’re not. They are looking at everywhere but here and our voice is getting quieter and quieter.
We will survive I’m sure but we are going to be a lot poorer than we would have been otherwise.
Why on Earth do you think the Polish work mentality is better or different to ours?
Experience of employing both U.K. and Eastern European both here and in Eastern Europe.
Just to clarify this comment it’s not all people don’t work hard it’s a personal perspective on attitudes I have experienced both here and abroad. There are lazy Polish folk but there appears less than in the U.K.
We have become soft and have an attitude of entitlement.
Generally I agree. However, those that come here for work are more likely to be more inclined to work. Their lazy buggers stay at home.
Their lazy buggers do stay at home true, but the workers I employ there just keep going and going.
If you travel through Bucharest, Warsaw or any major Eastern European city you can see how the population is generally younger and certainly slimmer than us.
I travel a lot out there and not the tourist areas most people frequent.
Poverty has been rife in Romania due to corruption in government but it’s getting better for the people as those leaders are starting to go to jail.
The thing that is very evident is the updating and development going on. Yes some of it from the EU funding I agree but far more from a lot of international companies moving in.
People in the U.K. think a lot of these countries are backward. They’re not and they will soon overtake us. The middle of Europe can go East just as easily as West.
I went to a conference in Warsaw last year for international business. It was full of European companies trying to trade with each other. They were from all over the place Kazakhstan, Germany Netherlands, Russia etc
There was only one U.K. company exhibiting there. We only think of our own little world.
Hilarious. So when do you think Poland will leave the EU? When their economy overtakes Spain and Italy or when the EU kick them out for making their own laws?
Nope. I'm back to thinking you're not for real again.
No one can be this confused about what the EU is or how it works."
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By *exy7Man
over a year ago
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher "
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos. |
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher "
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Who would love to join exactly?
Nearly every country around the world would love to be in the EU.
Why do you think they were shocked when we voted leave, and why do you think the world is still laughing at us?
In anycase, I'm still not convinced you're for real.
Name 1
Turkey
Serbia
Albania
Kosovo
Montenegro
Bosnia Herzegovina
North Macedonia
Are all currently applying or negotiating to join.
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Stop. I can see what's going wrong here.
You're using facts. You aren't allowed to use facts with Brexiters. You know perfectly well what the rules of talking to them are.
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher "
Let's take you as an example. You don't seem to have even a vague notion of what the EU does or how it works. And you voted leave.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'? "
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage."
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By *exy7Man
over a year ago
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'? "
Did Farage say this?
There have been plenty of surveys done in France. Remain has always been in the lead..
Use facts, not science fiction.
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over a year ago
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage.
Macron "
Just so we're clear. You're now arguing that Brexit is a good idea because Macron said that French people are stupid enough to vote leave too?
Bizarre.
In anycase. I googled this in the meantime. What he actually said was that leaving the EU is too complex an issue to be decided on a yes/no vote. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"I'm a Labour voting Remainer, with a job and an iPhone. Therefore I can post anytime I like.
And I am against Brexit due to there being no benefits to it but quantifiable penalties for leaving (£200bn pre-covid and counting so far).
I am a Tory voter and who works as well and we'll said Brexit has just no benefits was so ever.
Makes you wonder why the people of Norway and Switzerland don't want to join the EU doesn't it?
Norway has state ownership of the vast offshore oil reserves.
And Switzerland would have to reform their banking sector if they joined the EU.
But pretty much every other country around would chew off its left bollock to join.
Oil reserves? Banking sector? I think you will find that the people of those 2 countries turned down the chance of EU membership because they are fans of democracy and accountability.
Who would love to join exactly? As a net contributor of course?
Switzerland and Norway both pay into the EU as EEA members. They accept free movement and do not get all the benefits. They pay less per head than the U.K. as a result but are not entitled to the full grant system back. They have to ratify EU directives in their parliament but usually nod them through.
As Norway is so wealthy they would be a large contributor but their small population wouldn’t particularly benefit so they don’t need the EU and all it’s functions. They chose to join as it’s a positive for their population and are happy to pay.
The Norway system was the preferred option for a lot of economists in the UK as it would cause less financial risk/damage. But immigration was the headline issue for Farage and Co. so Boris agreed to dismiss the idea in fear of his right wing.
I can’t comment on Switzerland too much as not sure of my history but I noticed they voted to continue free movement in a referendum recently as they see that as a good thing.
Btw Poland is set to outstrip Italy and France by 2030 as an economy so Poland will be a big net contributor. Fucking immigrants being successful in their own country whatever next. Oh yes we’ll be trying to move there for jobs. Oh hang on we haven’t got free movement. Damn
Correction
Poland will outstrip Italy and Spain .
So EU membership has not been much of a benefit to Italy and Spain then has it
Their GDP both look pretty steady and neither of their Economies’ value shrank in 2016 as ours did!
Poland is getting a large amount of the manufacturing industries moving from the Far East coming back to that big f**in market called the EU so will be yet another successful large economy adding funds . But we don’t want anything to do with such dynamic economies do we.
We will have lots of fish and a mega deal with the USA so no worries.
So if Poland are so sucessfull why are they the largest net beneficiary of EU funding. If this is the case the cost allocation basis must be completely skewed or just guess work.
Indeed they are and their growth through infrastructure investment will be rapid. We would be exporting goods to them as a result but hey we don’t want to do that do we as we’re putting up the barriers.
Turning that investment into a good return is the aim which will make them a net contributor to the EU. Something you would welcome.
If people are successful they buy stuff, our stuff, including finance and as the Polish work mentality is better than ours that’s where both EU and International money is going. Slovakia and Romania will also be following suit.
We have only ever invested in London as a nation with the EU identifying South Wales Cornwall and the North East as areas needing help. Have you heard the U.K. government say they are keeping those investment levels?
The UK’s skewered investment into London is not going to change any time soon as we can’t afford to invest in the rest of the U.K. now. COVID has ensured that fact. Good luck if you live in a deprived area.
If you are part of a successful economic area like the EU it can only be a good thing. With the state of our U.K. governments over the years I’m sure it wouldn’t have been too long before we were a net receiver.
If it’s so bad to be in a club why is America part of NAFTA. They’re the biggest economy as a single country in the world so why would they need to be in the club?. I can tell you the answer.. it’s good for business and therefore jobs. If you answer we didn’t vote for the EU then why didn’t we go the Norway route?
It would make perfect sense wouldn’t it? Boris says no! Hmm why is that?
Brexiteers believe the worlds looking our way. They’re not. They are looking at everywhere but here and our voice is getting quieter and quieter.
We will survive I’m sure but we are going to be a lot poorer than we would have been otherwise. Super.
So apart from a few Eastern European countries, who else has applied to join this wonderful institution?
Pretty much every European country. 27 and counting. Are you telling us that the EU is crap because Bolivia is not interested?
No I’m telling you that you must have missed a few school lessons especially geography and need to look at a map.
As far as I remember Bolivia is not in Europe.
I’ll say it again it’s called the EU not the World U. Not quite sure why your struggling to understand the concept or a regional economic zone.
It’s another reason the EU works so well being so close together . Cheap logistics. Do you know how much it costs to get a container to South America compared to Germany? I do and that’s why we sell in Germany not Bolivia.
I think you meant to quote silverback not me. I was in agreement with you about Bolivia. "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage.
Macron
Just so we're clear. You're now arguing that Brexit is a good idea because Macron said that French people are stupid enough to vote leave too?
Bizarre.
In anycase. I googled this in the meantime. What he actually said was that leaving the EU is too complex an issue to be decided on a yes/no vote."
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By *exy7Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage.
Macron
Just so we're clear. You're now arguing that Brexit is a good idea because Macron said that French people are stupid enough to vote leave too?
Bizarre.
In anycase. I googled this in the meantime. What he actually said was that leaving the EU is too complex an issue to be decided on a yes/no vote.
I thought the French had been educated on the EU? "
All the surveys in France are in favour of Renain. Do you only notice and reply to posts that suit you? |
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over a year ago
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage.
Macron
Just so we're clear. You're now arguing that Brexit is a good idea because Macron said that French people are stupid enough to vote leave too?
Bizarre.
In anycase. I googled this in the meantime. What he actually said was that leaving the EU is too complex an issue to be decided on a yes/no vote.
I thought the French had been educated on the EU? "
You appear to be arguing against yourself now.
So I'll just watch and see what happens. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage.
Macron
Just so we're clear. You're now arguing that Brexit is a good idea because Macron said that French people are stupid enough to vote leave too?
Bizarre.
In anycase. I googled this in the meantime. What he actually said was that leaving the EU is too complex an issue to be decided on a yes/no vote.
I thought the French had been educated on the EU?
All the surveys in France are in favour of Renain. Do you only notice and reply to posts that suit you? "
All the surveys in the UK were in favour of Remain |
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage.
Macron
Just so we're clear. You're now arguing that Brexit is a good idea because Macron said that French people are stupid enough to vote leave too?
Bizarre.
In anycase. I googled this in the meantime. What he actually said was that leaving the EU is too complex an issue to be decided on a yes/no vote.
I thought the French had been educated on the EU? "
macron doesn’t seem to think so lol |
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By *exy7Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage.
Macron
Just so we're clear. You're now arguing that Brexit is a good idea because Macron said that French people are stupid enough to vote leave too?
Bizarre.
In anycase. I googled this in the meantime. What he actually said was that leaving the EU is too complex an issue to be decided on a yes/no vote.
I thought the French had been educated on the EU?
All the surveys in France are in favour of Renain. Do you only notice and reply to posts that suit you?
All the surveys in the UK were in favour of Remain"
You may want to check the French surveys. It’s not 52% vs 48%. |
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over a year ago
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage.
Macron
Just so we're clear. You're now arguing that Brexit is a good idea because Macron said that French people are stupid enough to vote leave too?
Bizarre.
In anycase. I googled this in the meantime. What he actually said was that leaving the EU is too complex an issue to be decided on a yes/no vote.
I thought the French had been educated on the EU?
All the surveys in France are in favour of Renain. Do you only notice and reply to posts that suit you?
All the surveys in the UK were in favour of Remain"
So the thrust of your pro brexit argument is:
1. Surveys can be wrong.
2. Based on a misquote from Macron, you've decided that French people could be bamboozled and fooled into voting leave too.
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All the surveys in the UK were in favour of Remain"
Which is why most remainers didn't bother to vote.
If they had rerun the referendum two days after what do you think would have happened.
In 2016 a lot of america thought trump wouldn't win. Record numbers turned out this year to make sure he didn't win again
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over a year ago
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage.
Macron
Just so we're clear. You're now arguing that Brexit is a good idea because Macron said that French people are stupid enough to vote leave too?
Bizarre.
In anycase. I googled this in the meantime. What he actually said was that leaving the EU is too complex an issue to be decided on a yes/no vote.
I thought the French had been educated on the EU?
All the surveys in France are in favour of Renain. Do you only notice and reply to posts that suit you?
All the surveys in the UK were in favour of Remain"
Do you honestly think the French would leave the EU after watching the clusterfuck we have made |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage.
Macron
Just so we're clear. You're now arguing that Brexit is a good idea because Macron said that French people are stupid enough to vote leave too?
Bizarre.
In anycase. I googled this in the meantime. What he actually said was that leaving the EU is too complex an issue to be decided on a yes/no vote.
I thought the French had been educated on the EU?
All the surveys in France are in favour of Renain. Do you only notice and reply to posts that suit you?
All the surveys in the UK were in favour of Remain
Do you honestly think the French would leave the EU after watching the clusterfuck we have made "
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By *exy7Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage.
Macron
Just so we're clear. You're now arguing that Brexit is a good idea because Macron said that French people are stupid enough to vote leave too?
Bizarre.
In anycase. I googled this in the meantime. What he actually said was that leaving the EU is too complex an issue to be decided on a yes/no vote.
I thought the French had been educated on the EU?
All the surveys in France are in favour of Renain. Do you only notice and reply to posts that suit you?
All the surveys in the UK were in favour of Remain
Do you honestly think the French would leave the EU after watching the clusterfuck we have made
In a heartbeat "
You’ve got to stop reading science fiction. Last survey I can find from 2019. 61% remain / 32% leave / 7% undecided.
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage.
Macron
Just so we're clear. You're now arguing that Brexit is a good idea because Macron said that French people are stupid enough to vote leave too?
Bizarre.
In anycase. I googled this in the meantime. What he actually said was that leaving the EU is too complex an issue to be decided on a yes/no vote.
I thought the French had been educated on the EU?
All the surveys in France are in favour of Renain. Do you only notice and reply to posts that suit you?
All the surveys in the UK were in favour of Remain
Do you honestly think the French would leave the EU after watching the clusterfuck we have made
In a heartbeat "
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage.
Macron
Just so we're clear. You're now arguing that Brexit is a good idea because Macron said that French people are stupid enough to vote leave too?
Bizarre.
In anycase. I googled this in the meantime. What he actually said was that leaving the EU is too complex an issue to be decided on a yes/no vote.
I thought the French had been educated on the EU?
All the surveys in France are in favour of Renain. Do you only notice and reply to posts that suit you?
All the surveys in the UK were in favour of Remain
Do you honestly think the French would leave the EU after watching the clusterfuck we have made "
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over a year ago
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage.
Macron
Just so we're clear. You're now arguing that Brexit is a good idea because Macron said that French people are stupid enough to vote leave too?
Bizarre.
In anycase. I googled this in the meantime. What he actually said was that leaving the EU is too complex an issue to be decided on a yes/no vote.
I thought the French had been educated on the EU?
All the surveys in France are in favour of Renain. Do you only notice and reply to posts that suit you?
All the surveys in the UK were in favour of Remain
Do you honestly think the French would leave the EU after watching the clusterfuck we have made
In a heartbeat
And we're back round full circle, to education being the problem.
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over a year ago
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage.
Macron
Just so we're clear. You're now arguing that Brexit is a good idea because Macron said that French people are stupid enough to vote leave too?
Bizarre.
In anycase. I googled this in the meantime. What he actually said was that leaving the EU is too complex an issue to be decided on a yes/no vote.
I thought the French had been educated on the EU?
All the surveys in France are in favour of Renain. Do you only notice and reply to posts that suit you?
All the surveys in the UK were in favour of Remain
Do you honestly think the French would leave the EU after watching the clusterfuck we have made if they where given a vote we would find out "
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By *exy7Man
over a year ago
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage.
Macron
Just so we're clear. You're now arguing that Brexit is a good idea because Macron said that French people are stupid enough to vote leave too?
Bizarre.
In anycase. I googled this in the meantime. What he actually said was that leaving the EU is too complex an issue to be decided on a yes/no vote.
I thought the French had been educated on the EU?
All the surveys in France are in favour of Renain. Do you only notice and reply to posts that suit you?
All the surveys in the UK were in favour of Remain
Do you honestly think the French would leave the EU after watching the clusterfuck we have made
In a heartbeat
And we're back round full circle, to education being the problem.
So tell me educated one, how do you think the Poland/EU conflict will pan out? "
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over a year ago
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage.
Macron
Just so we're clear. You're now arguing that Brexit is a good idea because Macron said that French people are stupid enough to vote leave too?
Bizarre.
In anycase. I googled this in the meantime. What he actually said was that leaving the EU is too complex an issue to be decided on a yes/no vote.
I thought the French had been educated on the EU?
All the surveys in France are in favour of Renain. Do you only notice and reply to posts that suit you?
All the surveys in the UK were in favour of Remain
Do you honestly think the French would leave the EU after watching the clusterfuck we have made
In a heartbeat
And we're back round full circle, to education being the problem.
So tell me educated one, how do you think the Poland/EU conflict will pan out?
Before you move on to this, what about carrying on the debate about France. Are you also a kwitter when proved wrong? "
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over a year ago
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage.
Macron
Just so we're clear. You're now arguing that Brexit is a good idea because Macron said that French people are stupid enough to vote leave too?
Bizarre.
In anycase. I googled this in the meantime. What he actually said was that leaving the EU is too complex an issue to be decided on a yes/no vote.
I thought the French had been educated on the EU?
All the surveys in France are in favour of Renain. Do you only notice and reply to posts that suit you?
All the surveys in the UK were in favour of Remain
Do you honestly think the French would leave the EU after watching the clusterfuck we have made
In a heartbeat
And we're back round full circle, to education being the problem.
So tell me educated one, how do you think the Poland/EU conflict will pan out? "
Firstly this is a disagreement, not a conflict.
Secondly why are you asking me to predict what will happen. I'm not an expert on the Polish judicial system.
Thirdly what's this got to do with you not understanding the EU?
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage.
Macron
Just so we're clear. You're now arguing that Brexit is a good idea because Macron said that French people are stupid enough to vote leave too?
Bizarre.
In anycase. I googled this in the meantime. What he actually said was that leaving the EU is too complex an issue to be decided on a yes/no vote.
I thought the French had been educated on the EU?
All the surveys in France are in favour of Renain. Do you only notice and reply to posts that suit you?
All the surveys in the UK were in favour of Remain
Do you honestly think the French would leave the EU after watching the clusterfuck we have made if they where given a vote we would find out
Why would they be given a vote, do the French have their version of Farage "
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over a year ago
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage.
Macron
Just so we're clear. You're now arguing that Brexit is a good idea because Macron said that French people are stupid enough to vote leave too?
Bizarre.
In anycase. I googled this in the meantime. What he actually said was that leaving the EU is too complex an issue to be decided on a yes/no vote.
I thought the French had been educated on the EU?
All the surveys in France are in favour of Renain. Do you only notice and reply to posts that suit you?
All the surveys in the UK were in favour of Remain
Do you honestly think the French would leave the EU after watching the clusterfuck we have made
In a heartbeat
And we're back round full circle, to education being the problem.
So tell me educated one, how do you think the Poland/EU conflict will pan out?
Before you move on to this, what about carrying on the debate about France. Are you also a kwitter when proved wrong?
What is there to debate? I think the French would vote to leave and so does their president. That's it really "
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By *exy7Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage.
Macron
Just so we're clear. You're now arguing that Brexit is a good idea because Macron said that French people are stupid enough to vote leave too?
Bizarre.
In anycase. I googled this in the meantime. What he actually said was that leaving the EU is too complex an issue to be decided on a yes/no vote.
I thought the French had been educated on the EU?
All the surveys in France are in favour of Renain. Do you only notice and reply to posts that suit you?
All the surveys in the UK were in favour of Remain
Do you honestly think the French would leave the EU after watching the clusterfuck we have made
In a heartbeat
And we're back round full circle, to education being the problem.
So tell me educated one, how do you think the Poland/EU conflict will pan out?
Before you move on to this, what about carrying on the debate about France. Are you also a kwitter when proved wrong?
What is there to debate? I think the French would vote to leave and so does their president. That's it really "
So you thinking that the French would leave makes it a fact. Have you ever thought of charging people at your parties for entertainment?
Macron saying that leaving the EU would be complicated etc... doesn’t mean that the French want to leave.
Don’t tell us you’re a specialist on French politics. You’re struggling with understanding Little England. |
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage.
Macron
Just so we're clear. You're now arguing that Brexit is a good idea because Macron said that French people are stupid enough to vote leave too?
Bizarre.
In anycase. I googled this in the meantime. What he actually said was that leaving the EU is too complex an issue to be decided on a yes/no vote.
I thought the French had been educated on the EU?
All the surveys in France are in favour of Renain. Do you only notice and reply to posts that suit you?
All the surveys in the UK were in favour of Remain
Do you honestly think the French would leave the EU after watching the clusterfuck we have made
In a heartbeat
And we're back round full circle, to education being the problem.
So tell me educated one, how do you think the Poland/EU conflict will pan out?
Before you move on to this, what about carrying on the debate about France. Are you also a kwitter when proved wrong?
What is there to debate? I think the French would vote to leave and so does their president. That's it really
So you thinking that the French would leave makes it a fact. Have you ever thought of charging people at your parties for entertainment?
Macron saying that leaving the EU would be complicated etc... doesn’t mean that the French want to leave.
Don’t tell us you’re a specialist on French politics. You’re struggling with understanding Little England. "
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over a year ago
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage.
Macron
Just so we're clear. You're now arguing that Brexit is a good idea because Macron said that French people are stupid enough to vote leave too?
Bizarre.
In anycase. I googled this in the meantime. What he actually said was that leaving the EU is too complex an issue to be decided on a yes/no vote.
I thought the French had been educated on the EU?
All the surveys in France are in favour of Renain. Do you only notice and reply to posts that suit you?
All the surveys in the UK were in favour of Remain
Do you honestly think the French would leave the EU after watching the clusterfuck we have made
In a heartbeat
And we're back round full circle, to education being the problem.
So tell me educated one, how do you think the Poland/EU conflict will pan out?
Before you move on to this, what about carrying on the debate about France. Are you also a kwitter when proved wrong?
What is there to debate? I think the French would vote to leave and so does their president. That's it really
Then I am sure Macron will be pushing for a referendum, when do you think it will happen ? "
Why would he do that if he wants to remain?
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage.
Macron
Just so we're clear. You're now arguing that Brexit is a good idea because Macron said that French people are stupid enough to vote leave too?
Bizarre.
In anycase. I googled this in the meantime. What he actually said was that leaving the EU is too complex an issue to be decided on a yes/no vote.
I thought the French had been educated on the EU?
All the surveys in France are in favour of Renain. Do you only notice and reply to posts that suit you?
All the surveys in the UK were in favour of Remain
Do you honestly think the French would leave the EU after watching the clusterfuck we have made if they where given a vote we would find out
Why would they be given a vote, do the French have their version of Farage
Is Le Pen still around? "
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over a year ago
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage.
Macron
Just so we're clear. You're now arguing that Brexit is a good idea because Macron said that French people are stupid enough to vote leave too?
Bizarre.
In anycase. I googled this in the meantime. What he actually said was that leaving the EU is too complex an issue to be decided on a yes/no vote.
I thought the French had been educated on the EU?
All the surveys in France are in favour of Renain. Do you only notice and reply to posts that suit you?
All the surveys in the UK were in favour of Remain
Do you honestly think the French would leave the EU after watching the clusterfuck we have made
In a heartbeat
And we're back round full circle, to education being the problem.
So tell me educated one, how do you think the Poland/EU conflict will pan out?
Before you move on to this, what about carrying on the debate about France. Are you also a kwitter when proved wrong?
What is there to debate? I think the French would vote to leave and so does their president. That's it really
Then I am sure Macron will be pushing for a referendum, when do you think it will happen ?
Why would he do that if he wants to remain?
You probably know as well as I do that the French 'peasants' love nothing more than to give the establishment a good kicking, it would be a perfect opportunity, vive le revolucion "
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over a year ago
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage.
Macron
Just so we're clear. You're now arguing that Brexit is a good idea because Macron said that French people are stupid enough to vote leave too?
Bizarre.
In anycase. I googled this in the meantime. What he actually said was that leaving the EU is too complex an issue to be decided on a yes/no vote.
I thought the French had been educated on the EU?
All the surveys in France are in favour of Renain. Do you only notice and reply to posts that suit you?
All the surveys in the UK were in favour of Remain
Do you honestly think the French would leave the EU after watching the clusterfuck we have made
In a heartbeat
And we're back round full circle, to education being the problem.
So tell me educated one, how do you think the Poland/EU conflict will pan out?
Firstly this is a disagreement, not a conflict.
Secondly why are you asking me to predict what will happen. I'm not an expert on the Polish judicial system.
Thirdly what's this got to do with you not understanding the EU?
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It's to do with you not understanding the EU. You do realise that this could affect the whole EU budget don't you? |
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage.
Macron
Just so we're clear. You're now arguing that Brexit is a good idea because Macron said that French people are stupid enough to vote leave too?
Bizarre.
In anycase. I googled this in the meantime. What he actually said was that leaving the EU is too complex an issue to be decided on a yes/no vote.
I thought the French had been educated on the EU?
All the surveys in France are in favour of Renain. Do you only notice and reply to posts that suit you?
All the surveys in the UK were in favour of Remain
Do you honestly think the French would leave the EU after watching the clusterfuck we have made
In a heartbeat
And we're back round full circle, to education being the problem.
So tell me educated one, how do you think the Poland/EU conflict will pan out?
Before you move on to this, what about carrying on the debate about France. Are you also a kwitter when proved wrong?
What is there to debate? I think the French would vote to leave and so does their president. That's it really
Then I am sure Macron will be pushing for a referendum, when do you think it will happen ?
Why would he do that if he wants to remain?
You probably know as well as I do that the French 'peasants' love nothing more than to give the establishment a good kicking, it would be a perfect opportunity, vive le revolucion
What are you basing that on? The French Revolution in 1799 "
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage.
Macron
Just so we're clear. You're now arguing that Brexit is a good idea because Macron said that French people are stupid enough to vote leave too?
Bizarre.
In anycase. I googled this in the meantime. What he actually said was that leaving the EU is too complex an issue to be decided on a yes/no vote.
I thought the French had been educated on the EU?
All the surveys in France are in favour of Renain. Do you only notice and reply to posts that suit you?
All the surveys in the UK were in favour of Remain
Do you honestly think the French would leave the EU after watching the clusterfuck we have made
In a heartbeat
And we're back round full circle, to education being the problem.
So tell me educated one, how do you think the Poland/EU conflict will pan out?
Before you move on to this, what about carrying on the debate about France. Are you also a kwitter when proved wrong?
What is there to debate? I think the French would vote to leave and so does their president. That's it really
Then I am sure Macron will be pushing for a referendum, when do you think it will happen ?
Why would he do that if he wants to remain?
You probably know as well as I do that the French 'peasants' love nothing more than to give the establishment a good kicking, it would be a perfect opportunity, vive le revolucion "
"Give the establishment a good kicking", by what, voting Frexit to give more wealth and power to those at the top, at their own expense?
Again and again you keep coming back to demonstrate the point that the problem is the lack education around the EU, what it does and how it works. |
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"The downside of democracy. Simpletons having the fate of a country in their own hands...
That's a failure of the education system.
Most other European countries teach the kids in school the basics of the EU, what it's for and how it works.
The UK isn't the only country that has a rich ruling elite that would love to throw their own country to the dogs to get more power and wealth.
The defence against this is an educated population is educated.
If people had been educated properly on the EU the leave vote would have been far higher
You’re struggling to read aren’t you? You’ve just been told that children in Europe are taught about the EU and none of these countries is leaving so that’s another own goal. Funnily enough the only country where the EU is not taught in school is the one that has decided to leave.
Seriously, every time I try to convince myself that brexiters are not all simpletons, I come across posts like this one. And then they wonder why people think that brexiters are uneducated thickos.
So who said 'if the French people were presented with a referendum they would probably vote to leave'?
I'm betting....
You.
Or Farage.
Macron
Just so we're clear. You're now arguing that Brexit is a good idea because Macron said that French people are stupid enough to vote leave too?
Bizarre.
In anycase. I googled this in the meantime. What he actually said was that leaving the EU is too complex an issue to be decided on a yes/no vote.
I thought the French had been educated on the EU?
All the surveys in France are in favour of Renain. Do you only notice and reply to posts that suit you?
All the surveys in the UK were in favour of Remain
Do you honestly think the French would leave the EU after watching the clusterfuck we have made
In a heartbeat
And we're back round full circle, to education being the problem.
So tell me educated one, how do you think the Poland/EU conflict will pan out?
Firstly this is a disagreement, not a conflict.
Secondly why are you asking me to predict what will happen. I'm not an expert on the Polish judicial system.
Thirdly what's this got to do with you not understanding the EU?
It's to do with you not understanding the EU. You do realise that this could affect the whole EU budget don't you? "
What's this got to do with anything being discussed on this thread?
You went from arguing that the French could be stupid enough to vote to leave the EU. Then when it was pointed out that you've misunderstood the point that Macron was making, You jumped to asking me to predict how the disagreement between the EU and Poland will be resolved. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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Have never quite understood why so many working class are so against the EU, when they provide protection from the rich libertarians / elites in the Tory party and try to stop them avoiding tax. Is it because they read tabloids ? |
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"Have never quite understood why so many working class are so against the EU, when they provide protection from the rich libertarians / elites in the Tory party and try to stop them avoiding tax. Is it because they read tabloids ? "
It would appear that a lack of basic education around the EU has allowd the tabloids to misinform people with their sustained anti EU agenda. |
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"Have never quite understood why so many working class are so against the EU, when they provide protection from the rich libertarians / elites in the Tory party and try to stop them avoiding tax. Is it because they read tabloids ? "
Probably, the EU is far from perfect but certain brexit die hards think it is the evil empire, they will only be content and feel vindicated if the EU fails, sad really |
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"Have never quite understood why so many working class are so against the EU, when they provide protection from the rich libertarians / elites in the Tory party and try to stop them avoiding tax. Is it because they read tabloids ? "
If you understood the EU you might understand. The Labour Party, who are supposed to represent the working class advocated and campaigned to leave the EU/EEC right up until 1989,only changing their position when they realised that it was costing them electoral success.
The Tory party has always campaigned to stay in the EU. Think about it guys |
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"Have never quite understood why so many working class are so against the EU, when they provide protection from the rich libertarians / elites in the Tory party and try to stop them avoiding tax. Is it because they read tabloids ?
If you understood the EU you might understand. The Labour Party, who are supposed to represent the working class advocated and campaigned to leave the EU/EEC right up until 1989,only changing their position when they realised that it was costing them electoral success.
The Tory party has always campaigned to stay in the EU. Think about it guys "
Really? Who was responsible for the country holding a referendum? Think about it |
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"Have never quite understood why so many working class are so against the EU, when they provide protection from the rich libertarians / elites in the Tory party and try to stop them avoiding tax. Is it because they read tabloids ?
If you understood the EU you might understand. The Labour Party, who are supposed to represent the working class advocated and campaigned to leave the EU/EEC right up until 1989,only changing their position when they realised that it was costing them electoral success.
The Tory party has always campaigned to stay in the EU. Think about it guys "
Not really.
The traditional left wing of the labour party has always been anti big business..so it's not really anti European.
Once they moved to the centre this began to change.
The Tories anti European scepticism came in under Thatcher and is rooted in more traditional sentiment like jingoism and some ridiculous harking back to the days of the empire.
Centre right tories and centre right labour are very much pro European. |
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"Have never quite understood why so many working class are so against the EU, when they provide protection from the rich libertarians / elites in the Tory party and try to stop them avoiding tax. Is it because they read tabloids ?
If you understood the EU you might understand. The Labour Party, who are supposed to represent the working class advocated and campaigned to leave the EU/EEC right up until 1989,only changing their position when they realised that it was costing them electoral success.
The Tory party has always campaigned to stay in the EU. Think about it guys
Really? Who was responsible for the country holding a referendum? Think about it "
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"Have never quite understood why so many working class are so against the EU, when they provide protection from the rich libertarians / elites in the Tory party and try to stop them avoiding tax. Is it because they read tabloids ?
If you understood the EU you might understand. The Labour Party, who are supposed to represent the working class advocated and campaigned to leave the EU/EEC right up until 1989,only changing their position when they realised that it was costing them electoral success.
The Tory party has always campaigned to stay in the EU. Think about it guys
Not really.
The traditional left wing of the labour party has always been anti big business..so it's not really anti European.
Once they moved to the centre this began to change.
The Tories anti European scepticism came in under Thatcher and is rooted in more traditional sentiment like jingoism and some ridiculous harking back to the days of the empire.
Centre right tories and centre right labour are very much pro European. "
Where would you class Tony Blair when he was campaigning to leave? |
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So OP, apart from the old cobblers about lefty’s being workshy what is your point?
Leaving the EU was neither pragmatic or rational but it was emotional and the arguments used by brexiteers were pretty much the same ones Trump used.
Interesting that the EU have the cojones to take on the likes of Amazon. No wonder they are being attacked by the rich! |
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"So OP, apart from the old cobblers about lefty’s being workshy what is your point?
Leaving the EU was neither pragmatic or rational but it was emotional and the arguments used by brexiteers were pretty much the same ones Trump used.
Interesting that the EU have the cojones to take on the likes of Amazon. No wonder they are being attacked by the rich!"
The opening post was slightly tongue in cheek. And the EU taking on Amazon? You're having a laugh. Amazon loves the EU and the movement of cheap labour  |
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"So OP, apart from the old cobblers about lefty’s being workshy what is your point?
Leaving the EU was neither pragmatic or rational but it was emotional and the arguments used by brexiteers were pretty much the same ones Trump used.
Interesting that the EU have the cojones to take on the likes of Amazon. No wonder they are being attacked by the rich!
The opening post was slightly tongue in cheek. And the EU taking on Amazon? You're having a laugh. Amazon loves the EU and the movement of cheap labour "
Here is one of many examples of the EU forcing Amazon to pay it's taxes.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/04/amazon-eu-tax-irish-government-apple
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"So OP, apart from the old cobblers about lefty’s being workshy what is your point?
Leaving the EU was neither pragmatic or rational but it was emotional and the arguments used by brexiteers were pretty much the same ones Trump used.
Interesting that the EU have the cojones to take on the likes of Amazon. No wonder they are being attacked by the rich!
The opening post was slightly tongue in cheek. And the EU taking on Amazon? You're having a laugh. Amazon loves the EU and the movement of cheap labour
Here is one of many examples of the EU forcing Amazon to pay it's taxes.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/04/amazon-eu-tax-irish-government-apple
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"So OP, apart from the old cobblers about lefty’s being workshy what is your point?
Leaving the EU was neither pragmatic or rational but it was emotional and the arguments used by brexiteers were pretty much the same ones Trump used.
Interesting that the EU have the cojones to take on the likes of Amazon. No wonder they are being attacked by the rich!
The opening post was slightly tongue in cheek. And the EU taking on Amazon? You're having a laugh. Amazon loves the EU and the movement of cheap labour
Here is one of many examples of the EU forcing Amazon to pay it's taxes.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/04/amazon-eu-tax-irish-government-apple
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However the EU trying to collect more taxes from Amazon hardly helps anyone. One a simplistic basis the end user will have to pay more for their jobs. As the majority of services are used by people ( not companies) we should be collecting the taxes from people ( not companies) .
The EU simply want to controll how we spend our money. We should be looking to decrease expenditure , not increase taxes. |
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"So OP, apart from the old cobblers about lefty’s being workshy what is your point?
Leaving the EU was neither pragmatic or rational but it was emotional and the arguments used by brexiteers were pretty much the same ones Trump used.
Interesting that the EU have the cojones to take on the likes of Amazon. No wonder they are being attacked by the rich!
The opening post was slightly tongue in cheek. And the EU taking on Amazon? You're having a laugh. Amazon loves the EU and the movement of cheap labour
Here is one of many examples of the EU forcing Amazon to pay it's taxes.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/04/amazon-eu-tax-irish-government-apple
However the EU trying to collect more taxes from Amazon hardly helps anyone. One a simplistic basis the end user will have to pay more for their jobs. As the majority of services are used by people ( not companies) we should be collecting the taxes from people ( not companies) .
The EU simply want to controll how we spend our money. We should be looking to decrease expenditure , not increase taxes. "
This argument that big corporations shouldn't pay taxes is ludicrous. Let's knock this on the head now. |
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"So OP, apart from the old cobblers about lefty’s being workshy what is your point?
Leaving the EU was neither pragmatic or rational but it was emotional and the arguments used by brexiteers were pretty much the same ones Trump used.
Interesting that the EU have the cojones to take on the likes of Amazon. No wonder they are being attacked by the rich!
The opening post was slightly tongue in cheek. And the EU taking on Amazon? You're having a laugh. Amazon loves the EU and the movement of cheap labour
Here is one of many examples of the EU forcing Amazon to pay it's taxes.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/04/amazon-eu-tax-irish-government-apple
LOL "
You've encapsulated the problem with the state of this country. People believe any rhubarb from conspiracy theorists. Then just "lol" when provided with information.
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"So OP, apart from the old cobblers about lefty’s being workshy what is your point?
Leaving the EU was neither pragmatic or rational but it was emotional and the arguments used by brexiteers were pretty much the same ones Trump used.
Interesting that the EU have the cojones to take on the likes of Amazon. No wonder they are being attacked by the rich!
The opening post was slightly tongue in cheek. And the EU taking on Amazon? You're having a laugh. Amazon loves the EU and the movement of cheap labour
Here is one of many examples of the EU forcing Amazon to pay it's taxes.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/04/amazon-eu-tax-irish-government-apple
However the EU trying to collect more taxes from Amazon hardly helps anyone. One a simplistic basis the end user will have to pay more for their jobs. As the majority of services are used by people ( not companies) we should be collecting the taxes from people ( not companies) .
The EU simply want to controll how we spend our money. We should be looking to decrease expenditure , not increase taxes.
This argument that big corporations shouldn't pay taxes is ludicrous. Let's knock this on the head now.
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Especially as in this case the presumption about where Amazon makes it's money is totally wrong.
Amazon makes very little profit on it's retail business (relative to it's other arms).
AWS is it's biggest business, and that is pretty much 100% selling services to other companies and organisations. |
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"So OP, apart from the old cobblers about lefty’s being workshy what is your point?
Leaving the EU was neither pragmatic or rational but it was emotional and the arguments used by brexiteers were pretty much the same ones Trump used.
Interesting that the EU have the cojones to take on the likes of Amazon. No wonder they are being attacked by the rich!
The opening post was slightly tongue in cheek. And the EU taking on Amazon? You're having a laugh. Amazon loves the EU and the movement of cheap labour
Here is one of many examples of the EU forcing Amazon to pay it's taxes.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/04/amazon-eu-tax-irish-government-apple
However the EU trying to collect more taxes from Amazon hardly helps anyone. One a simplistic basis the end user will have to pay more for their jobs. As the majority of services are used by people ( not companies) we should be collecting the taxes from people ( not companies) .
The EU simply want to controll how we spend our money. We should be looking to decrease expenditure , not increase taxes.
This argument that big corporations shouldn't pay taxes is ludicrous. Let's knock this on the head now."
It's quite a common view
Companies making billions of pounds of profit should be allowed to do as they please,as they bring jobs here apparently.
Also we shouldnt tax millionaires too much as we lose their 'expertise' |
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"So OP, apart from the old cobblers about lefty’s being workshy what is your point?
Leaving the EU was neither pragmatic or rational but it was emotional and the arguments used by brexiteers were pretty much the same ones Trump used.
Interesting that the EU have the cojones to take on the likes of Amazon. No wonder they are being attacked by the rich!
The opening post was slightly tongue in cheek. And the EU taking on Amazon? You're having a laugh. Amazon loves the EU and the movement of cheap labour
Here is one of many examples of the EU forcing Amazon to pay it's taxes.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/04/amazon-eu-tax-irish-government-apple
However the EU trying to collect more taxes from Amazon hardly helps anyone. One a simplistic basis the end user will have to pay more for their jobs. As the majority of services are used by people ( not companies) we should be collecting the taxes from people ( not companies) .
The EU simply want to controll how we spend our money. We should be looking to decrease expenditure , not increase taxes.
This argument that big corporations shouldn't pay taxes is ludicrous. Let's knock this on the head now.
It's quite a common view
Companies making billions of pounds of profit should be allowed to do as they please,as they bring jobs here apparently.
Also we shouldnt tax millionaires too much as we lose their 'expertise'"
the best one is they up sticks and move overseas lol to where they have already moved overseas to the U.K. lol |
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over a year ago
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"So OP, apart from the old cobblers about lefty’s being workshy what is your point?
Leaving the EU was neither pragmatic or rational but it was emotional and the arguments used by brexiteers were pretty much the same ones Trump used.
Interesting that the EU have the cojones to take on the likes of Amazon. No wonder they are being attacked by the rich!
The opening post was slightly tongue in cheek. And the EU taking on Amazon? You're having a laugh. Amazon loves the EU and the movement of cheap labour
Here is one of many examples of the EU forcing Amazon to pay it's taxes.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/04/amazon-eu-tax-irish-government-apple
However the EU trying to collect more taxes from Amazon hardly helps anyone. One a simplistic basis the end user will have to pay more for their jobs. As the majority of services are used by people ( not companies) we should be collecting the taxes from people ( not companies) .
The EU simply want to controll how we spend our money. We should be looking to decrease expenditure , not increase taxes. "
So Jeff Bazos being worth £200Billion by not paying due tax is a good thing? Are you serious?
Globally people use his services as well as his internet service business and where the profit is made Amazon should pay tax.
The EU wanted to stop London and Dublin being used a tax free haven. London definitely more so. Please look up non domicile tax resident and see the avoidance of tax. If the EU had their way the U.K. tax take would rise dramatically from all our resident Russians and of course the owner of the daily mail.
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"So OP, apart from the old cobblers about lefty’s being workshy what is your point?
Leaving the EU was neither pragmatic or rational but it was emotional and the arguments used by brexiteers were pretty much the same ones Trump used.
Interesting that the EU have the cojones to take on the likes of Amazon. No wonder they are being attacked by the rich!
The opening post was slightly tongue in cheek. And the EU taking on Amazon? You're having a laugh. Amazon loves the EU and the movement of cheap labour
Here is one of many examples of the EU forcing Amazon to pay it's taxes.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/04/amazon-eu-tax-irish-government-apple
However the EU trying to collect more taxes from Amazon hardly helps anyone. One a simplistic basis the end user will have to pay more for their jobs. As the majority of services are used by people ( not companies) we should be collecting the taxes from people ( not companies) .
The EU simply want to controll how we spend our money. We should be looking to decrease expenditure , not increase taxes. "
Really Pat? Perhaps you dont get out much these days! Take a look at the average high street and explain to me how there is no causal link between a multinational corporation virtually giving away its products but making millions from the information it holds on its customers and the boarded up shops and then tell me that its tough but thats life! Empathy is good...its a strength not a weakness  |
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I guess your question needs to be directed to the general public and all those who use Amazon . I do not see many members of the public complaining about Amazon or all the delivery drivers for whom it creates work .
The world of retail has changed for ever . Many are able to compete by adopting to changing times and circumstances .
Just look at the success of Screwfix , Next . MacDonalds , B and M Bargains or Costa Coffee .
You simply adopt to changing times and marketd . |
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"I guess your question needs to be directed to the general public and all those who use Amazon . I do not see many members of the public complaining about Amazon or all the delivery drivers for whom it creates work .
The world of retail has changed for ever . Many are able to compete by adopting to changing times and circumstances .
Just look at the success of Screwfix , Next . MacDonalds , B and M Bargains or Costa Coffee .
You simply adopt to changing times and marketd . "
I dunno. I'd say you're in the minority wishing to pay more tax so that Jeff Bezos doesn't have to. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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I think with Brexit we need to take a long hard look at how we buy stuff.
The internet is here to stay but 99% of what we’re supplied by Amazon, screw fix etc is made in the Far East.
That area of the world is getting rich by our inability to manufacture and supply in the U.K.
I’m just a guilty so not pointing fingers but if U.K. limited is going to have any slim hope after Brexit we have got to get that debt down and support our own industry.
The French prefer French products due to their nationalistic ways but that helps their economy.
We just buy cheapest with no thought for who’s getting our cash.
First stop in all this should be government procurement. They should always be biased to buy British.
We’ve just leant Ukraine £1.2 Billion to build eight naval attack ships.
The condition is that two are built in the U.K. why not all eight? I know we get the loan back but those jobs would be a boost for U.K. ship builders. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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It annoys me that so many products are listed as UK, but are actually supplied by China.
I've virtually given up on Ebay, because its just become a Chinese tut market. And they are very clever at disguising country of origin.
As its been put, we should and could make most things ourselves. Price will always dictate, but we shouldn't be encouraging practices that we would regard as modern slavery. |
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I would suggest that many who support Brexit aren't overly concerned about the EU as it is at present but how it will be in 10, 20,30 years time.
We know that the direction of travel is for the EU to develop into a superstate and the sceptics fear that would mean National Governments would lose most of their authority, being reduced to little more than Parish Councils. As an example the leaks and spin have already started over the creation of an EU military, officially denied of course.
If they could be sure the EU were to stay broadly as it is now I think many Brexiteers would change their views.
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"I think with Brexit we need to take a long hard look at how we buy stuff.
The internet is here to stay but 99% of what we’re supplied by Amazon, screw fix etc is made in the Far East.
That area of the world is getting rich by our inability to manufacture and supply in the U.K.
I’m just a guilty so not pointing fingers but if U.K. limited is going to have any slim hope after Brexit we have got to get that debt down and support our own industry.
The French prefer French products due to their nationalistic ways but that helps their economy.
We just buy cheapest with no thought for who’s getting our cash.
First stop in all this should be government procurement. They should always be biased to buy British.
We’ve just leant Ukraine £1.2 Billion to build eight naval attack ships.
The condition is that two are built in the U.K. why not all eight? I know we get the loan back but those jobs would be a boost for U.K. ship builders. "
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"It annoys me that so many products are listed as UK, but are actually supplied by China.
I've virtually given up on Ebay, because its just become a Chinese tut market. And they are very clever at disguising country of origin.
As its been put, we should and could make most things ourselves. Price will always dictate, but we shouldn't be encouraging practices that we would regard as modern slavery. "
This..
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"It annoys me that so many products are listed as UK, but are actually supplied by China.
I've virtually given up on Ebay, because its just become a Chinese tut market. And they are very clever at disguising country of origin.
As its been put, we should and could make most things ourselves. Price will always dictate, but we shouldn't be encouraging practices that we would regard as modern slavery. "
What a quaint idea
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"I would suggest that many who support Brexit aren't overly concerned about the EU as it is at present but how it will be in 10, 20,30 years time.
We know that the direction of travel is for the EU to develop into a superstate and the sceptics fear that would mean National Governments would lose most of their authority, being reduced to little more than Parish Councils. As an example the leaks and spin have already started over the creation of an EU military, officially denied of course.
If they could be sure the EU were to stay broadly as it is now I think many Brexiteers would change their views.
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The only way to influence what the EU will become in 20,30,50 years is participation.
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"I would suggest that many who support Brexit aren't overly concerned about the EU as it is at present but how it will be in 10, 20,30 years time.
We know that the direction of travel is for the EU to develop into a superstate and the sceptics fear that would mean National Governments would lose most of their authority, being reduced to little more than Parish Councils. As an example the leaks and spin have already started over the creation of an EU military, officially denied of course.
If they could be sure the EU were to stay broadly as it is now I think many Brexiteers would change their views.
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"I would suggest that many who support Brexit aren't overly concerned about the EU as it is at present but how it will be in 10, 20,30 years time.
We know that the direction of travel is for the EU to develop into a superstate and the sceptics fear that would mean National Governments would lose most of their authority, being reduced to little more than Parish Councils. As an example the leaks and spin have already started over the creation of an EU military, officially denied of course.
If they could be sure the EU were to stay broadly as it is now I think many Brexiteers would change their views.
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Exactly, if it was the common market we joined then remain would have won by a mile.
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"I would suggest that many who support Brexit aren't overly concerned about the EU as it is at present but how it will be in 10, 20,30 years time.
We know that the direction of travel is for the EU to develop into a superstate and the sceptics fear that would mean National Governments would lose most of their authority, being reduced to little more than Parish Councils. As an example the leaks and spin have already started over the creation of an EU military, officially denied of course.
If they could be sure the EU were to stay broadly as it is now I think many Brexiteers would change their views.
Exactly, if it was the common market we joined then remain would have won by a mile.
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So how do we prevent the EU becoming a ‘superstate’ now? You do realise that every decision the EU makes has to be agreed by all its members ? |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
I don’t think there are present plans for a superstate. Yes there are ideas around joint defence plans which given Russia’s re-emergence as aggressor isn’t a bad thing.
I think it’s eventually inevitable that Europe’s members becomes more aligned but it’s 30 plus years away.
If that state makes you and your family both better off and safer whilst remaining democratic surely that’s a good thing?
The world is forming trade groups and we’re going in the opposite direction. We are going to become a lot weaker and isolated. Yes trade will continue after Brexit that’s a fact but our economic and political voice will be very quiet due to our lack of leverage.
I know people don’t like the idea but the EU is just another step towards the world being one rather than individual countries which could take hundreds of years. There are already signs, World bank, WTO, WHO. UN
If we go backwards we will be left behind and frankly we will end up doing as we’re told as we won’t matter in the scheme of things. Our GDP is now less than 2% of world trade and falling.
If we take the backward looking step we will end up with the original eight or ten Kings dotted around England . England became united and became stronger. Stronger still when Scotland and Wales were “persuaded” to join. Scotland hasn’t lost its identity in the last 500 years so there’s no reason to believe with an EU state we will lose ours. Hell the EU gives protection to cheese makers FFS.
Trying to hold on to history is a good thing if your a historian but don’t make the mistake in thinking Rule Britannia is coming back anytime soon. It’s nice nostalgia but like I said irrelevant to where the worlds going.
We either join in and have a say or we wait until we’re told what to do by our much bigger neighbours in the world.
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By *exy7Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
Last year Michael Gove said there would be help for farmers struggling after Brexit.
As I am typing this George Eustice just said on the Andrew Marr show that ‘we will do what we can’ but there’s obviously less money available at the moment.
Something is telling me that the farmers’ chickens are coming home to roost. Farmers hated the EU. They’re going to love this gvt.
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"I don’t think there are present plans for a superstate. Yes there are ideas around joint defence plans which given Russia’s re-emergence as aggressor isn’t a bad thing.
I think it’s eventually inevitable that Europe’s members becomes more aligned but it’s 30 plus years away.
If that state makes you and your family both better off and safer whilst remaining democratic surely that’s a good thing?
The world is forming trade groups and we’re going in the opposite direction. We are going to become a lot weaker and isolated. Yes trade will continue after Brexit that’s a fact but our economic and political voice will be very quiet due to our lack of leverage.
I know people don’t like the idea but the EU is just another step towards the world being one rather than individual countries which could take hundreds of years. There are already signs, World bank, WTO, WHO. UN
If we go backwards we will be left behind and frankly we will end up doing as we’re told as we won’t matter in the scheme of things. Our GDP is now less than 2% of world trade and falling.
If we take the backward looking step we will end up with the original eight or ten Kings dotted around England . England became united and became stronger. Stronger still when Scotland and Wales were “persuaded” to join. Scotland hasn’t lost its identity in the last 500 years so there’s no reason to believe with an EU state we will lose ours. Hell the EU gives protection to cheese makers FFS.
Trying to hold on to history is a good thing if your a historian but don’t make the mistake in thinking Rule Britannia is coming back anytime soon. It’s nice nostalgia but like I said irrelevant to where the worlds going.
We either join in and have a say or we wait until we’re told what to do by our much bigger neighbours in the world.
"
If the EU becomes the super state that they often deny is to happen its their business I just hope the people get a say in it as opposed to just being signed up to it. Not sure about this joint defence force to counter Russia as its another thing that was always denied and as the EU countries often fail to meet their NATO spending obligations I can't see them wanting to spend vast amounts on a new force |
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"I would suggest that many who support Brexit aren't overly concerned about the EU as it is at present but how it will be in 10, 20,30 years time.
We know that the direction of travel is for the EU to develop into a superstate and the sceptics fear that would mean National Governments would lose most of their authority, being reduced to little more than Parish Councils. As an example the leaks and spin have already started over the creation of an EU military, officially denied of course.
If they could be sure the EU were to stay broadly as it is now I think many Brexiteers would change their views.
Exactly, if it was the common market we joined then remain would have won by a mile.
So how do we prevent the EU becoming a ‘superstate’ now? You do realise that every decision the EU makes has to be agreed by all its members ? "
Are there any examples of a decision being passed while being opposed by a single state ?
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"So OP, apart from the old cobblers about lefty’s being workshy what is your point?
Leaving the EU was neither pragmatic or rational but it was emotional and the arguments used by brexiteers were pretty much the same ones Trump used.
Interesting that the EU have the cojones to take on the likes of Amazon. No wonder they are being attacked by the rich!
The opening post was slightly tongue in cheek. And the EU taking on Amazon? You're having a laugh. Amazon loves the EU and the movement of cheap labour
Here is one of many examples of the EU forcing Amazon to pay it's taxes.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/04/amazon-eu-tax-irish-government-apple
However the EU trying to collect more taxes from Amazon hardly helps anyone. One a simplistic basis the end user will have to pay more for their jobs. As the majority of services are used by people ( not companies) we should be collecting the taxes from people ( not companies) .
The EU simply want to controll how we spend our money. We should be looking to decrease expenditure , not increase taxes.
So Jeff Bazos being worth £200Billion by not paying due tax is a good thing? Are you serious?
Globally people use his services as well as his internet service business and where the profit is made Amazon should pay tax.
The EU wanted to stop London and Dublin being used a tax free haven. London definitely more so. Please look up non domicile tax resident and see the avoidance of tax. If the EU had their way the U.K. tax take would rise dramatically from all our resident Russians and of course the owner of the daily mail.
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By *exy7Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"I don’t think there are present plans for a superstate. Yes there are ideas around joint defence plans which given Russia’s re-emergence as aggressor isn’t a bad thing.
I think it’s eventually inevitable that Europe’s members becomes more aligned but it’s 30 plus years away.
If that state makes you and your family both better off and safer whilst remaining democratic surely that’s a good thing?
The world is forming trade groups and we’re going in the opposite direction. We are going to become a lot weaker and isolated. Yes trade will continue after Brexit that’s a fact but our economic and political voice will be very quiet due to our lack of leverage.
I know people don’t like the idea but the EU is just another step towards the world being one rather than individual countries which could take hundreds of years. There are already signs, World bank, WTO, WHO. UN
If we go backwards we will be left behind and frankly we will end up doing as we’re told as we won’t matter in the scheme of things. Our GDP is now less than 2% of world trade and falling.
If we take the backward looking step we will end up with the original eight or ten Kings dotted around England . England became united and became stronger. Stronger still when Scotland and Wales were “persuaded” to join. Scotland hasn’t lost its identity in the last 500 years so there’s no reason to believe with an EU state we will lose ours. Hell the EU gives protection to cheese makers FFS.
Trying to hold on to history is a good thing if your a historian but don’t make the mistake in thinking Rule Britannia is coming back anytime soon. It’s nice nostalgia but like I said irrelevant to where the worlds going.
We either join in and have a say or we wait until we’re told what to do by our much bigger neighbours in the world.
"
I’ve heard this argument of European superstate for about 20 years and it still hasn’t materialised. Can you tell us when it’s meant to happen? I mean it’s a great argument to use for the kwitters but there is not tangible sign of this happening in the foreseeable future. Englighten us on this if you know something we don’t. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"So OP, apart from the old cobblers about lefty’s being workshy what is your point?
Leaving the EU was neither pragmatic or rational but it was emotional and the arguments used by brexiteers were pretty much the same ones Trump used.
Interesting that the EU have the cojones to take on the likes of Amazon. No wonder they are being attacked by the rich!
The opening post was slightly tongue in cheek. And the EU taking on Amazon? You're having a laugh. Amazon loves the EU and the movement of cheap labour
Here is one of many examples of the EU forcing Amazon to pay it's taxes.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/04/amazon-eu-tax-irish-government-apple
However the EU trying to collect more taxes from Amazon hardly helps anyone. One a simplistic basis the end user will have to pay more for their jobs. As the majority of services are used by people ( not companies) we should be collecting the taxes from people ( not companies) .
The EU simply want to controll how we spend our money. We should be looking to decrease expenditure , not increase taxes.
So Jeff Bazos being worth £200Billion by not paying due tax is a good thing? Are you serious?
Globally people use his services as well as his internet service business and where the profit is made Amazon should pay tax.
The EU wanted to stop London and Dublin being used a tax free haven. London definitely more so. Please look up non domicile tax resident and see the avoidance of tax. If the EU had their way the U.K. tax take would rise dramatically from all our resident Russians and of course the owner of the daily mail.
Given that Jeff doesn't live in the uk you appear to have a very scant understanding of the reach of HMRC"
He generates profits in tne U.K. by selling to U.K. residence and supplying from the U.K. . Do you understand that those profits avoid tax in the country they are generated.
I don’t give a toss where he lives his U.K. company operations should pay tax in ten U.K. . |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"I don’t think there are present plans for a superstate. Yes there are ideas around joint defence plans which given Russia’s re-emergence as aggressor isn’t a bad thing.
I think it’s eventually inevitable that Europe’s members becomes more aligned but it’s 30 plus years away.
If that state makes you and your family both better off and safer whilst remaining democratic surely that’s a good thing?
The world is forming trade groups and we’re going in the opposite direction. We are going to become a lot weaker and isolated. Yes trade will continue after Brexit that’s a fact but our economic and political voice will be very quiet due to our lack of leverage.
I know people don’t like the idea but the EU is just another step towards the world being one rather than individual countries which could take hundreds of years. There are already signs, World bank, WTO, WHO. UN
If we go backwards we will be left behind and frankly we will end up doing as we’re told as we won’t matter in the scheme of things. Our GDP is now less than 2% of world trade and falling.
If we take the backward looking step we will end up with the original eight or ten Kings dotted around England . England became united and became stronger. Stronger still when Scotland and Wales were “persuaded” to join. Scotland hasn’t lost its identity in the last 500 years so there’s no reason to believe with an EU state we will lose ours. Hell the EU gives protection to cheese makers FFS.
Trying to hold on to history is a good thing if your a historian but don’t make the mistake in thinking Rule Britannia is coming back anytime soon. It’s nice nostalgia but like I said irrelevant to where the worlds going.
We either join in and have a say or we wait until we’re told what to do by our much bigger neighbours in the world.
I’ve heard this argument of European superstate for about 20 years and it still hasn’t materialised. Can you tell us when it’s meant to happen? I mean it’s a great argument to use for the kwitters but there is not tangible sign of this happening in the foreseeable future. Englighten us on this if you know something we don’t. "
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"So OP, apart from the old cobblers about lefty’s being workshy what is your point?
Leaving the EU was neither pragmatic or rational but it was emotional and the arguments used by brexiteers were pretty much the same ones Trump used.
Interesting that the EU have the cojones to take on the likes of Amazon. No wonder they are being attacked by the rich!
The opening post was slightly tongue in cheek. And the EU taking on Amazon? You're having a laugh. Amazon loves the EU and the movement of cheap labour
Here is one of many examples of the EU forcing Amazon to pay it's taxes.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/04/amazon-eu-tax-irish-government-apple
However the EU trying to collect more taxes from Amazon hardly helps anyone. One a simplistic basis the end user will have to pay more for their jobs. As the majority of services are used by people ( not companies) we should be collecting the taxes from people ( not companies) .
The EU simply want to controll how we spend our money. We should be looking to decrease expenditure , not increase taxes.
So Jeff Bazos being worth £200Billion by not paying due tax is a good thing? Are you serious?
Globally people use his services as well as his internet service business and where the profit is made Amazon should pay tax.
The EU wanted to stop London and Dublin being used a tax free haven. London definitely more so. Please look up non domicile tax resident and see the avoidance of tax. If the EU had their way the U.K. tax take would rise dramatically from all our resident Russians and of course the owner of the daily mail.
Given that Jeff doesn't live in the uk you appear to have a very scant understanding of the reach of HMRC
He generates profits in tne U.K. by selling to U.K. residence and supplying from the U.K. . Do you understand that those profits avoid tax in the country they are generated.
I don’t give a toss where he lives his U.K. company operations should pay tax in ten U.K. ."
According to the Sunday Times he paid £127 million in tax for the year 2017 /8. That seems a more than fair share to me. |
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"So OP, apart from the old cobblers about lefty’s being workshy what is your point?
Leaving the EU was neither pragmatic or rational but it was emotional and the arguments used by brexiteers were pretty much the same ones Trump used.
Interesting that the EU have the cojones to take on the likes of Amazon. No wonder they are being attacked by the rich!
The opening post was slightly tongue in cheek. And the EU taking on Amazon? You're having a laugh. Amazon loves the EU and the movement of cheap labour
Here is one of many examples of the EU forcing Amazon to pay it's taxes.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/04/amazon-eu-tax-irish-government-apple
However the EU trying to collect more taxes from Amazon hardly helps anyone. One a simplistic basis the end user will have to pay more for their jobs. As the majority of services are used by people ( not companies) we should be collecting the taxes from people ( not companies) .
The EU simply want to controll how we spend our money. We should be looking to decrease expenditure , not increase taxes.
So Jeff Bazos being worth £200Billion by not paying due tax is a good thing? Are you serious?
Globally people use his services as well as his internet service business and where the profit is made Amazon should pay tax.
The EU wanted to stop London and Dublin being used a tax free haven. London definitely more so. Please look up non domicile tax resident and see the avoidance of tax. If the EU had their way the U.K. tax take would rise dramatically from all our resident Russians and of course the owner of the daily mail.
Given that Jeff doesn't live in the uk you appear to have a very scant understanding of the reach of HMRC
He generates profits in tne U.K. by selling to U.K. residence and supplying from the U.K. . Do you understand that those profits avoid tax in the country they are generated.
I don’t give a toss where he lives his U.K. company operations should pay tax in ten U.K. . According to the Sunday Times he paid £127 million in tax for the year 2017 /8. That seems a more than fair share to me. "
And last year £103 million. Dyson is named in the Sunday Times as one of the UK highest paying tax payers. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"So OP, apart from the old cobblers about lefty’s being workshy what is your point?
Leaving the EU was neither pragmatic or rational but it was emotional and the arguments used by brexiteers were pretty much the same ones Trump used.
Interesting that the EU have the cojones to take on the likes of Amazon. No wonder they are being attacked by the rich!
The opening post was slightly tongue in cheek. And the EU taking on Amazon? You're having a laugh. Amazon loves the EU and the movement of cheap labour
Here is one of many examples of the EU forcing Amazon to pay it's taxes.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/04/amazon-eu-tax-irish-government-apple
However the EU trying to collect more taxes from Amazon hardly helps anyone. One a simplistic basis the end user will have to pay more for their jobs. As the majority of services are used by people ( not companies) we should be collecting the taxes from people ( not companies) .
The EU simply want to controll how we spend our money. We should be looking to decrease expenditure , not increase taxes.
So Jeff Bazos being worth £200Billion by not paying due tax is a good thing? Are you serious?
Globally people use his services as well as his internet service business and where the profit is made Amazon should pay tax.
The EU wanted to stop London and Dublin being used a tax free haven. London definitely more so. Please look up non domicile tax resident and see the avoidance of tax. If the EU had their way the U.K. tax take would rise dramatically from all our resident Russians and of course the owner of the daily mail.
Given that Jeff doesn't live in the uk you appear to have a very scant understanding of the reach of HMRC
He generates profits in tne U.K. by selling to U.K. residence and supplying from the U.K. . Do you understand that those profits avoid tax in the country they are generated.
I don’t give a toss where he lives his U.K. company operations should pay tax in ten U.K. . According to the Sunday Times he paid £127 million in tax for the year 2017 /8. That seems a more than fair share to me. And last year £103 million. Dyson is named in the Sunday Times as one of the UK highest paying tax payers. "
Keep watching that tax now he’s registered in Singapore |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
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I don’t give a toss where he lives his U.K. company operations should pay tax in ten U.K. . According to the Sunday Times he paid £127 million in tax for the year 2017 /8. That seems a more than fair share to me. And last year £103 million. Dyson is named in the Sunday Times as one of the UK highest paying tax payers. "
red herring..... the amount of tax he pays isn't the issue
There would be a heavy capital gains cost for moving existing intellectual property [IP] out of the UK and the UK patent box is already attractive to the company. But if it hopes to be a market leader in electric cars – and that seems to be its plan – then thousands of patents may follow.
Where these patents are located may prove crucial to the company’s fortunes
Singapore does not tax income earned outside its territory and is fairly relaxed about a company locating income and IP in tax havens. So Dyson could win heavily in the long term, in tax terms,
if its electric cars do prove to have a winning technology – which may give rise to largely untaxed income in any new structure. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"So OP, apart from the old cobblers about lefty’s being workshy what is your point?
Leaving the EU was neither pragmatic or rational but it was emotional and the arguments used by brexiteers were pretty much the same ones Trump used.
Interesting that the EU have the cojones to take on the likes of Amazon. No wonder they are being attacked by the rich!
The opening post was slightly tongue in cheek. And the EU taking on Amazon? You're having a laugh. Amazon loves the EU and the movement of cheap labour
Here is one of many examples of the EU forcing Amazon to pay it's taxes.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/04/amazon-eu-tax-irish-government-apple
However the EU trying to collect more taxes from Amazon hardly helps anyone. One a simplistic basis the end user will have to pay more for their jobs. As the majority of services are used by people ( not companies) we should be collecting the taxes from people ( not companies) .
The EU simply want to controll how we spend our money. We should be looking to decrease expenditure , not increase taxes.
So Jeff Bazos being worth £200Billion by not paying due tax is a good thing? Are you serious?
Globally people use his services as well as his internet service business and where the profit is made Amazon should pay tax.
The EU wanted to stop London and Dublin being used a tax free haven. London definitely more so. Please look up non domicile tax resident and see the avoidance of tax. If the EU had their way the U.K. tax take would rise dramatically from all our resident Russians and of course the owner of the daily mail.
Given that Jeff doesn't live in the uk you appear to have a very scant understanding of the reach of HMRC
He generates profits in tne U.K. by selling to U.K. residence and supplying from the U.K. . Do you understand that those profits avoid tax in the country they are generated.
I don’t give a toss where he lives his U.K. company operations should pay tax in ten U.K. . According to the Sunday Times he paid £127 million in tax for the year 2017 /8. That seems a more than fair share to me. "
6.3 Million in corporation tax of which a credit was given this year for £1.5m
Turnover in the U.K. increased to around 11.3 Billion estimated as this through sales charge recorded not accounts.
This turnover fee was charge to the U.K. as an operation and admin fee by the head office based abroad Luxembourg or Dublin to hide any serious profits.
The delivery arm is the only arm recorded as U.K. not the sales made.
The 127 you refer to is most probably PAYE so basically includes the tax their employees paid..
Just to add Amazon is making £2.5 Billion profit per quarter around the world but didn’t seem to be paying any big tax bills around the world. 5 Million is definitely not a tidy or fair sum.
Dublin is now the 7th biggest GDP economy in the world mainly due to Amazon and Google . Corporation tax there is half the U.K. . I can’t imagine why they have an office there to charge the U.K. arm can you? It must be the Guinness. |
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"Somebody made a good observation on here a couple of weeks ago, that during the day most of the posts in this forum tend to come from Labour voters and remainers and in the evenings more Tory voters and Brexit supporters tend to post, when they get in from work.
So my question is, why are people afraid of Brexit? Is it because they might have to get a job?
(p.s. I'm on my lunch break ) "
You know when you see a car crash about to happen, brexit has always been like that for many.
I think brexiteers want the car crash to happen, so they can make some money off it.
It being cautious vs being risky.
Great thing about the UK we are very much gung ho then realise after it was a terrible mistake. |
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Always amazed at how much difference people think it will make. In reality if there are export tariffs there will be import ones too so more money generated by the govt to foot the covid bill. It may affect some jobs but improve others we will be free to sell to commonwealth countries and make agreements.
The OP is right though some people may be pushed into getting jobs if there are less people coming in to work but then a lot may actually want a job too. |
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