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"Its called Sovereignty. " Ok then you are ready to take the rest of the world on your own. So we can can spend the national defense on the American people . Thank you for your answer on why us 70 million deplorable idiots who cared about your well being and democracy can finally rest In peace. Since you can handle it on your own. | |||
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"Hershey over Cadburys ? Are you for real . " And we hate the way you folks drive on the wrong side of the road! Justice for harry dunn! | |||
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"Hersheys over Cadburys . Are you for Real ? " Yes we are realists but it's ok have your trolling fun . You mock us for our way of life but you can't give a realistic answer if we should defend democracy. But all you have is chocolate . Hershey's btw . Yuengling chocolate porter is fantastic . | |||
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"Its called Sovereignty. Ok then you are ready to take the rest of the world on your own. So we can can spend the national defense on the American people . Thank you for your answer on why us 70 million deplorable idiots who cared about your well being and democracy can finally rest In peace. Since you can handle it on your own." Are you serious??? Do you really think that the U.K., France etc need the US to defend them? Wake up..., both countries have nuclear weapons.They don’t need the savages I’ve seen on tv this week with their guns and the IQ of oysters to look after them. America needs to find its mojo again and try to heal itself before trying to save the world. I’m not sure what’s democratic in a country where the president describes news that don’t suit him as fake news for example. Seriously, most Europeans look at your country and feel embarrassed for you to have such a clown as a president. The US is not regarded as a role model anymore by most people. It is of course a political ally, that’s all. | |||
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"Hersheys over Cadburys . Are you for Real ? Yes we are realists but it's ok have your trolling fun . You mock us for our way of life but you can't give a realistic answer if we should defend democracy. But all you have is chocolate . Hershey's btw . Yuengling chocolate porter is fantastic ." You dont know what Democracy is . Your leader Trumpety Trump wont accept that more than 70 million voted for Biden . Know one care about your self belief China will be the Number 1 nation on the planet in q0 years . Time to make new Friends . Plus China Loves Cadburys & Hates Hershey . | |||
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"Its called Sovereignty. Ok then you are ready to take the rest of the world on your own. So we can can spend the national defense on the American people . Thank you for your answer on why us 70 million deplorable idiots who cared about your well being and democracy can finally rest In peace. Since you can handle it on your own." No problem Bye then | |||
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"The Kardashians Republican PATRIOTS should be locked up for that alone Regardless of if they watched it . " We would rather gouge our eyes out with a rusty spoon then watch the Kardashians | |||
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes." Strange framing of the question - is there some context from some other thread that I'm missing? Every post I've seen from you guys has come across as pretty chilled - but now you seem kind of pissed off. so what exactly is patriotic about defending democracy on a global scale - is that not more of a humanistic goal? and what does "defending democracy on a global scale" mean, and is that true? or is it more of a case of the US using its military power to protect its own political and economic interests irrespective of democracy? It's hard to argue that US foreign policy has been a resounding success over the last few decades - Chile (twice), Nicaragua, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan (twice) have all arguably made the world a worse place, have lifted the lid on some of the worst kinds of extremism, unleashed them upon the world, and have been a total failure in terms of spreading and defending democracy. | |||
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes. Strange framing of the question - is there some context from some other thread that I'm missing? Every post I've seen from you guys has come across as pretty chilled - but now you seem kind of pissed off. so what exactly is patriotic about defending democracy on a global scale - is that not more of a humanistic goal? and what does "defending democracy on a global scale" mean, and is that true? or is it more of a case of the US using its military power to protect its own political and economic interests irrespective of democracy? It's hard to argue that US foreign policy has been a resounding success over the last few decades - Chile (twice), Nicaragua, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan (twice) have all arguably made the world a worse place, have lifted the lid on some of the worst kinds of extremism, unleashed them upon the world, and have been a total failure in terms of spreading and defending democracy. " It was from another thread . Sorry it was confusing just a tad bit angry. Our apologies. | |||
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" It was from another thread . Sorry it was confusing just a tad bit angry. Our apologies." apology accepted - I saw the other thread, FYI I think it was more of a joke at the expense of the way certain right wing british nutcases have behaved over the last few years and not one aimed at our colonial cousins  | |||
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" It was from another thread . Sorry it was confusing just a tad bit angry. Our apologies. apology accepted - I saw the other thread, FYI I think it was more of a joke at the expense of the way certain right wing british nutcases have behaved over the last few years and not one aimed at our colonial cousins "Like we said sorry we got out of hand it's easy to sit and scream from a kitchen table. But unless you out there defending and not understanding the costs of democracy then blame the very people defending it is absolutely ludicrous. Just angry how everyone can just dismiss those costs like it's nothing. | |||
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"Hersheys over Cadburys . Are you for Real ? Yes we are realists but it's ok have your trolling fun . You mock us for our way of life but you can't give a realistic answer if we should defend democracy. But all you have is chocolate . Hershey's btw . Yuengling chocolate porter is fantastic ." But you're not 'defending democracy' you're defending your version of world order. Americans don't generally become involved in conflicts unless it benefits their own position, altruism doesn't feature. As a patriot shouldn't you be putting the interests of all your citizens first rather than just those you like? | |||
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes. Strange framing of the question - is there some context from some other thread that I'm missing? Every post I've seen from you guys has come across as pretty chilled - but now you seem kind of pissed off. so what exactly is patriotic about defending democracy on a global scale - is that not more of a humanistic goal? and what does "defending democracy on a global scale" mean, and is that true? or is it more of a case of the US using its military power to protect its own political and economic interests irrespective of democracy? It's hard to argue that US foreign policy has been a resounding success over the last few decades - Chile (twice), Nicaragua, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan (twice) have all arguably made the world a worse place, have lifted the lid on some of the worst kinds of extremism, unleashed them upon the world, and have been a total failure in terms of spreading and defending democracy. " And part of that American foreign policy for the last 50 years has been a certain Joe Biden, involved in how many wars and skirmishes around the world? Whereas Trump has been involved for 4 years, pulled troops out of Afghanistan and brokered a few peace deals. So who you gonna vote for? | |||
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"Hersheys over Cadburys . Are you for Real ? " If anyone else ranted on like that against any other country, you would be shouting racist... | |||
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"Hershey over Cadburys ? Are you for real . And we hate the way you folks drive on the wrong side of the road! Justice for harry dunn!" That was pathetic... Most Americans won't have heard of Harry Dunn, like you won't have heard of an American killed by a British tourist etc... I'm sure his parents would be so proud to hear you had used his name as a really cheap shot... | |||
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"Hersheys over Cadburys . Are you for Real ? Yes we are realists but it's ok have your trolling fun . You mock us for our way of life but you can't give a realistic answer if we should defend democracy. But all you have is chocolate . Hershey's btw . Yuengling chocolate porter is fantastic . But you're not 'defending democracy' you're defending your version of world order. Americans don't generally become involved in conflicts unless it benefits their own position, altruism doesn't feature. As a patriot shouldn't you be putting the interests of all your citizens first rather than just those you like?" Exactly this! 
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes." I don't know how it's got to this, we all have our politics and whilst we may dislike hugely the other person's choice of leader etc that's democracy.. We have the same here and we are in danger of divisions which get so far that there is no middle ground.. No understanding or even a wish to try and see things from the other side.. And that's not a good place to be in.. | |||
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes. Strange framing of the question - is there some context from some other thread that I'm missing? Every post I've seen from you guys has come across as pretty chilled - but now you seem kind of pissed off. so what exactly is patriotic about defending democracy on a global scale - is that not more of a humanistic goal? and what does "defending democracy on a global scale" mean, and is that true? or is it more of a case of the US using its military power to protect its own political and economic interests irrespective of democracy? It's hard to argue that US foreign policy has been a resounding success over the last few decades - Chile (twice), Nicaragua, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan (twice) have all arguably made the world a worse place, have lifted the lid on some of the worst kinds of extremism, unleashed them upon the world, and have been a total failure in terms of spreading and defending democracy. And part of that American foreign policy for the last 50 years has been a certain Joe Biden, involved in how many wars and skirmishes around the world? Whereas Trump has been involved for 4 years, pulled troops out of Afghanistan and brokered a few peace deals. So who you gonna vote for? " Isn't the conversation about democracy, not revisiting the merits or otherwise of the candidates. You might not like Biden's philosophy but he's likely to be the next (democratically) elected US President. | |||
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"Its called Sovereignty. Ok then you are ready to take the rest of the world on your own. So we can can spend the national defense on the American people . Thank you for your answer on why us 70 million deplorable idiots who cared about your well being and democracy can finally rest In peace. Since you can handle it on your own." So what are you saying? 74 million people in the USA aren't patriots. If that many people in the USA voted for a "communist" then it shows how bad Trump is. That word "patriot" is such a get out of free card for when the democratic process is undermined. The patriot act is nothing more than an excuse to bypass civil liberties. People like Timothy McVeigh and Ted Kaczynski considered themselves patriots... Wht didn't the USA bring democracy to Zimbabwe? Because 'bringing democracy to your country' happens after you discover oil. | |||
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"Patriotism is the lowest form of pride. This is a confusing thread. Is it about democracy or about the US industrial war complex? Or is it about which country has the most malleable electorate." It is confusing. Apparently USA are the saviours of the world, whilst a militant minority seek to overthrow a democratically elected candidate, so they can continue with a president who changes legislation to allow polution that will destroy the planet. | |||
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"Patriotism is the lowest form of pride. This is a confusing thread. Is it about democracy or about the US industrial war complex? Or is it about which country has the most malleable electorate. It is confusing. Apparently USA are the saviours of the world, whilst a militant minority seek to overthrow a democratically elected candidate, so they can continue with a president who changes legislation to allow polution that will destroy the planet." How would Americans feel if their country was invaded by Iran, so that the Iranian government could being some democratic processes to America? | |||
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes. Strange framing of the question - is there some context from some other thread that I'm missing? Every post I've seen from you guys has come across as pretty chilled - but now you seem kind of pissed off. so what exactly is patriotic about defending democracy on a global scale - is that not more of a humanistic goal? and what does "defending democracy on a global scale" mean, and is that true? or is it more of a case of the US using its military power to protect its own political and economic interests irrespective of democracy? It's hard to argue that US foreign policy has been a resounding success over the last few decades - Chile (twice), Nicaragua, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan (twice) have all arguably made the world a worse place, have lifted the lid on some of the worst kinds of extremism, unleashed them upon the world, and have been a total failure in terms of spreading and defending democracy. And part of that American foreign policy for the last 50 years has been a certain Joe Biden, involved in how many wars and skirmishes around the world? Whereas Trump has been involved for 4 years, pulled troops out of Afghanistan and brokered a few peace deals. So who you gonna vote for? Isn't the conversation about democracy, not revisiting the merits or otherwise of the candidates. You might not like Biden's philosophy but he's likely to be the next (democratically) elected US President." And if Americans have chosen to return to the mistakes of the past that's fine by me, yes, that's democracy
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" Just as an afterthought, I wonder how long it will be before Kim Jong Un tests his next missile? " Again, what does that have to do with the democratic process? | |||
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes. Strange framing of the question - is there some context from some other thread that I'm missing? Every post I've seen from you guys has come across as pretty chilled - but now you seem kind of pissed off. so what exactly is patriotic about defending democracy on a global scale - is that not more of a humanistic goal? and what does "defending democracy on a global scale" mean, and is that true? or is it more of a case of the US using its military power to protect its own political and economic interests irrespective of democracy? It's hard to argue that US foreign policy has been a resounding success over the last few decades - Chile (twice), Nicaragua, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan (twice) have all arguably made the world a worse place, have lifted the lid on some of the worst kinds of extremism, unleashed them upon the world, and have been a total failure in terms of spreading and defending democracy. And part of that American foreign policy for the last 50 years has been a certain Joe Biden, involved in how many wars and skirmishes around the world? Whereas Trump has been involved for 4 years, pulled troops out of Afghanistan and brokered a few peace deals. So who you gonna vote for? Isn't the conversation about democracy, not revisiting the merits or otherwise of the candidates. You might not like Biden's philosophy but he's likely to be the next (democratically) elected US President. And if Americans have chosen to return to the mistakes of the past that's fine by me, yes, that's democracy
Just as an afterthought, I wonder how long it will be before Kim Jong Un tests his next missile? "They can return to what they want . I couldn’t care less as long as long as they don’t try to sell their ‘saving the world’ bullshit and their inner belief that they have a divine mission to protect the world. After what happened this week, they should probably have enough humility to get their own into order before telling us how we should run our own affairs. | |||
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes. Strange framing of the question - is there some context from some other thread that I'm missing? Every post I've seen from you guys has come across as pretty chilled - but now you seem kind of pissed off. so what exactly is patriotic about defending democracy on a global scale - is that not more of a humanistic goal? and what does "defending democracy on a global scale" mean, and is that true? or is it more of a case of the US using its military power to protect its own political and economic interests irrespective of democracy? It's hard to argue that US foreign policy has been a resounding success over the last few decades - Chile (twice), Nicaragua, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan (twice) have all arguably made the world a worse place, have lifted the lid on some of the worst kinds of extremism, unleashed them upon the world, and have been a total failure in terms of spreading and defending democracy. And part of that American foreign policy for the last 50 years has been a certain Joe Biden, involved in how many wars and skirmishes around the world? Whereas Trump has been involved for 4 years, pulled troops out of Afghanistan and brokered a few peace deals. So who you gonna vote for? Isn't the conversation about democracy, not revisiting the merits or otherwise of the candidates. You might not like Biden's philosophy but he's likely to be the next (democratically) elected US President. And if Americans have chosen to return to the mistakes of the past that's fine by me, yes, that's democracy
Just as an afterthought, I wonder how long it will be before Kim Jong Un tests his next missile? "Probably long after Trump files for his next bankruptcy... | |||
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" Just as an afterthought, I wonder how long it will be before Kim Jong Un tests his next missile? Again, what does that have to do with the democratic process?" Sorry, I thought this thread also had something to do with American foreign policy | |||
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" Just as an afterthought, I wonder how long it will be before Kim Jong Un tests his next missile? Again, what does that have to do with the democratic process? Sorry, I thought this thread also had something to do with American foreign policy " Apologies accepted. | |||
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" Just as an afterthought, I wonder how long it will be before Kim Jong Un tests his next missile? Again, what does that have to do with the democratic process? Sorry, I thought this thread also had something to do with American foreign policy Apologies accepted. " You know I wasn't responding to you, but hey how. p.s. Guantanamo Bay is in Cuba  | |||
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"Hershey over Cadburys ? Are you for real . " Cadburys is owned by Mondelez International an American company. | |||
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes." Your democracy is flawed by an outdated electoral college system linked back to the slave states and civil war. We have a first past the post system which is also flawed. So you don’t have true democracy as you believe. The one thing Trump did was to identify was your trade imbalance with China. You shout about being a patriot but suspect if you look around your house 50% of the stuff you buy will be made in China. That’s not being a patriot that’s giving China wealth to challenge you militarily. You lead the attack on the Taliban which we all agreed with and supported. Bush then went charging into Iraq for no good reason ( supported by our lying prime minister) and destroyed the stability in the Middle East. The U.K. and Germany wanted to keep the Iraqi army in tact to keep order but the US insisted they were disbanded so they all left taking their weapons with them. A huge percentage of those now penniless men joined ISIS. The predicted chaos ensued. The only building in Baghdad protected was the oil ministry while people were left to fend for themselves. Only one of your generals tried to bring order but her was a lone voice. Oil money talks doesn’t it! Terrorism around the world has fed off that invasion and subsequently in both Syria and Libya which whilst it was a dictatorship there was no devastation as there is now. Gunship politics don’t work and yet you keep doing it! When we created the empire we had guns and they didn’t and they we’re shit scared of us. It’s an outdated way of politics and morally wrong. Your election is rumoured to have cost $14Billion dollars which shows only big business decides who gets elected not the average joe in the street. There are financial limits on elections in the U.K. which stop the relentless tv advertising but the media in the U.K. is biased so you have to hunt for the truth. Trump is a nightmare as a person. He complained about Obama playing golf then played golf himself costing the tax payers a fortune. He had a revolving door of people in the White House as they tried to cope with his erratic behaviour. He appointed family in key positions which enabled them to benefit financially in the long term. His business is a revolving credit facility which would have eventually crashed but he can earn big money now. What society thinks it’s ok not to have universal healthcare. That’s going back to the Middle Ages. You put a socialist society in the same frame as communism. Since when is Sweden or Norway communist yet they are leading socialist societies. You’re being mislead by a right wing tax evading elite to say socialist values are wrong. They’re not they are to help all and are not just for the rich. You can still be rich but you pay a fairer share to provide for all. Everybody pays everybody benefits. America needs a reboot back to its values of hard work and freedom but also justice. Senior judges should not be appointed by politicians. They should be appointed by judges who think they are good and that’s it. You have a two tier society and your aggressive gun toting attitude of, if you don’t agree with me you must be wrong is blinding you to the devastation your extreme politics is causing. You are imploding as the world looks on bemused. China and Russia are taking top spot very soon if you don’t wake up and start uniting. The U.K. is fucked under Brexit and lying scumbags in government at the moment ( not all Tories so don’t start!) So we can’t talk but you’re leading the way in self destruction. | |||
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" Just as an afterthought, I wonder how long it will be before Kim Jong Un tests his next missile? Again, what does that have to do with the democratic process? Sorry, I thought this thread also had something to do with American foreign policy " Trump's foreign policy nearly turned those tests into a distinct reality. | |||
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"Hershey over Cadburys ? Are you for real . Cadburys is owned by Mondelez International an American company." U.K. manufactured Cadbury’s is now not allowed to be sold in the US as it’s much better quality and healthier. Don’t let Americans know their chocolate is crap. 
The “British” themed stores are not allowed to be supplied from the U.K.
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes. Your democracy is flawed by an outdated electoral college system linked back to the slave states and civil war. We have a first past the post system which is also flawed. So you don’t have true democracy as you believe. The one thing Trump did was to identify was your trade imbalance with China. You shout about being a patriot but suspect if you look around your house 50% of the stuff you buy will be made in China. That’s not being a patriot that’s giving China wealth to challenge you militarily. You lead the attack on the Taliban which we all agreed with and supported. Bush then went charging into Iraq for no good reason ( supported by our lying prime minister) and destroyed the stability in the Middle East. The U.K. and Germany wanted to keep the Iraqi army in tact to keep order but the US insisted they were disbanded so they all left taking their weapons with them. A huge percentage of those now penniless men joined ISIS. The predicted chaos ensued. The only building in Baghdad protected was the oil ministry while people were left to fend for themselves. Only one of your generals tried to bring order but her was a lone voice. Oil money talks doesn’t it! Terrorism around the world has fed off that invasion and subsequently in both Syria and Libya which whilst it was a dictatorship there was no devastation as there is now. Gunship politics don’t work and yet you keep doing it! When we created the empire we had guns and they didn’t and they we’re shit scared of us. It’s an outdated way of politics and morally wrong. Your election is rumoured to have cost $14Billion dollars which shows only big business decides who gets elected not the average joe in the street. There are financial limits on elections in the U.K. which stop the relentless tv advertising but the media in the U.K. is biased so you have to hunt for the truth. Trump is a nightmare as a person. He complained about Obama playing golf then played golf himself costing the tax payers a fortune. He had a revolving door of people in the White House as they tried to cope with his erratic behaviour. He appointed family in key positions which enabled them to benefit financially in the long term. His business is a revolving credit facility which would have eventually crashed but he can earn big money now. What society thinks it’s ok not to have universal healthcare. That’s going back to the Middle Ages. You put a socialist society in the same frame as communism. Since when is Sweden or Norway communist yet they are leading socialist societies. You’re being mislead by a right wing tax evading elite to say socialist values are wrong. They’re not they are to help all and are not just for the rich. You can still be rich but you pay a fairer share to provide for all. Everybody pays everybody benefits. America needs a reboot back to its values of hard work and freedom but also justice. Senior judges should not be appointed by politicians. They should be appointed by judges who think they are good and that’s it. You have a two tier society and your aggressive gun toting attitude of, if you don’t agree with me you must be wrong is blinding you to the devastation your extreme politics is causing. You are imploding as the world looks on bemused. China and Russia are taking top spot very soon if you don’t wake up and start uniting. The U.K. is fucked under Brexit and lying scumbags in government at the moment ( not all Tories so don’t start!) So we can’t talk but you’re leading the way in self destruction. " Yep. | |||
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes." You're not patriots, you're authoritarians wrapped in a flag. | |||
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"Great post _ackal1. Not quoting it to save space. "Thank you . I am saddened by it to be honest but it’s reality. The OP is possibly using an iPhone. It’s a major US company. Well actually it’s tax status is in Dublin making Ireland the 7th richest country in GDP and they employ around 100k people in China to make them. So very patriotic of them . | |||
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"If any country can make a dogs breakfast out of what should be a simple process then the US just has to be top of the league. What is so complicated about people voting, counting the votes, then declaring a result? Whether or not the postal voting system was abused is open to debate but surely anyone with a modicum of intelligence (and knowing how Trump works) should have seen this coming. They have had four years to prepare. Surely they could have sent out the ballots a few days earlier and insisted on them being in on election day (as it is in the UK) Postmarks? Who thought up that shit? Whether it was or not, it is wide open to abuse and wide open to challenge. Democracy hasn't only got to work, it has to be seen to work, and still sat here on Saturday waiting for the result just isn't good enough. In a British general election (with postal votes) nearly all the results are declared before breakfast the following day and the rest a few hours later. Dear America. What is so fucking difficult? BTW. Trump has lost and he should go gracefully. But I doubt he will." Not often we find common ground..
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"Trump: "There are now only a few states yet to be decided in the presidential race. The voting apparatus of those states are run in all cases by Democrats." In Georgia, the governor and both houses of the legislature are Republican-controlled. The secretary of state, who is in charge of the administration of the election, is Brad Raffensperger who is a Republican. Trump on a mission to see how many lies he can squeeze into the time he has left. US election 2020: Donald Trump's speech fact-checked - BBC News - https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54837926" He's never had the best relationship with the truth.. In full meltdown now.. | |||
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"If any country can make a dogs breakfast out of what should be a simple process then the US just has to be top of the league. What is so complicated about people voting, counting the votes, then declaring a result? Whether or not the postal voting system was abused is open to debate but surely anyone with a modicum of intelligence (and knowing how Trump works) should have seen this coming. They have had four years to prepare. Surely they could have sent out the ballots a few days earlier and insisted on them being in on election day (as it is in the UK) Postmarks? Who thought up that shit? Whether it was or not, it is wide open to abuse and wide open to challenge. Democracy hasn't only got to work, it has to be seen to work, and still sat here on Saturday waiting for the result just isn't good enough. In a British general election (with postal votes) nearly all the results are declared before breakfast the following day and the rest a few hours later. Dear America. What is so fucking difficult? BTW. Trump has lost and he should go gracefully. But I doubt he will." Spot on | |||
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"Hershey over Cadburys ? Are you for real . Cadburys is owned by Mondelez International an American company. U.K. manufactured Cadbury’s is now not allowed to be sold in the US as it’s much better quality and healthier. Don’t let Americans know their chocolate is crap.
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes. Strange framing of the question - is there some context from some other thread that I'm missing? Every post I've seen from you guys has come across as pretty chilled - but now you seem kind of pissed off. so what exactly is patriotic about defending democracy on a global scale - is that not more of a humanistic goal? and what does "defending democracy on a global scale" mean, and is that true? or is it more of a case of the US using its military power to protect its own political and economic interests irrespective of democracy? It's hard to argue that US foreign policy has been a resounding success over the last few decades - Chile (twice), Nicaragua, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan (twice) have all arguably made the world a worse place, have lifted the lid on some of the worst kinds of extremism, unleashed them upon the world, and have been a total failure in terms of spreading and defending democracy. And part of that American foreign policy for the last 50 years has been a certain Joe Biden, involved in how many wars and skirmishes around the world? Whereas Trump has been involved for 4 years, pulled troops out of Afghanistan and brokered a few peace deals. So who you gonna vote for? " The idea of trump as some sort of peace maker is too bizarre for words. | |||
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"Hersheys over Cadburys . Are you for Real ? If anyone else ranted on like that against any other country, you would be shouting racist..." Have you tasted Hershey Chocolate ? Cadburys all the way | |||
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"Hersheys over Cadburys . Are you for Real ? If anyone else ranted on like that against any other country, you would be shouting racist... Have you tasted Hershey Chocolate ? Cadburys all the way " They prefer Hershey's because it's what they are used to. We like Cadburys because it's what we are used to. Of course we each prefer what we've grown up with. | |||
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes. Strange framing of the question - is there some context from some other thread that I'm missing? Every post I've seen from you guys has come across as pretty chilled - but now you seem kind of pissed off. so what exactly is patriotic about defending democracy on a global scale - is that not more of a humanistic goal? and what does "defending democracy on a global scale" mean, and is that true? or is it more of a case of the US using its military power to protect its own political and economic interests irrespective of democracy? It's hard to argue that US foreign policy has been a resounding success over the last few decades - Chile (twice), Nicaragua, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan (twice) have all arguably made the world a worse place, have lifted the lid on some of the worst kinds of extremism, unleashed them upon the world, and have been a total failure in terms of spreading and defending democracy. And part of that American foreign policy for the last 50 years has been a certain Joe Biden, involved in how many wars and skirmishes around the world? Whereas Trump has been involved for 4 years, pulled troops out of Afghanistan and brokered a few peace deals. So who you gonna vote for? The idea of trump as some sort of peace maker is too bizarre for words." Why? How much blood does he have on his hands compared to say, Biden and Barack Obomber? | |||
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"Hersheys over Cadburys . Are you for Real ? If anyone else ranted on like that against any other country, you would be shouting racist... Have you tasted Hershey Chocolate ? Cadburys all the way They prefer Hershey's because it's what they are used to. We like Cadburys because it's what we are used to. Of course we each prefer what we've grown up with. " I love how this thread swings from: America invading other countries under the banner of "democracy" while their president has his lawyers in the courts actively trying to stop votes for his opponent being counted. To chocolate. | |||
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"Hersheys over Cadburys . Are you for Real ? If anyone else ranted on like that against any other country, you would be shouting racist... Have you tasted Hershey Chocolate ? Cadburys all the way They prefer Hershey's because it's what they are used to. We like Cadburys because it's what we are used to. Of course we each prefer what we've grown up with. " Balderdash Id never tasted Maple Syrup I grew up on golden syrup Maple Syrup wins ! | |||
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"Hershey over Cadburys ? Are you for real . Cadburys is owned by Mondelez International an American company. U.K. manufactured Cadbury’s is now not allowed to be sold in the US as it’s much better quality and healthier. Don’t let Americans know their chocolate is crap.
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes. Strange framing of the question - is there some context from some other thread that I'm missing? Every post I've seen from you guys has come across as pretty chilled - but now you seem kind of pissed off. so what exactly is patriotic about defending democracy on a global scale - is that not more of a humanistic goal? and what does "defending democracy on a global scale" mean, and is that true? or is it more of a case of the US using its military power to protect its own political and economic interests irrespective of democracy? It's hard to argue that US foreign policy has been a resounding success over the last few decades - Chile (twice), Nicaragua, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan (twice) have all arguably made the world a worse place, have lifted the lid on some of the worst kinds of extremism, unleashed them upon the world, and have been a total failure in terms of spreading and defending democracy. And part of that American foreign policy for the last 50 years has been a certain Joe Biden, involved in how many wars and skirmishes around the world? Whereas Trump has been involved for 4 years, pulled troops out of Afghanistan and brokered a few peace deals. So who you gonna vote for? The idea of trump as some sort of peace maker is too bizarre for words. Why? How much blood does he have on his hands compared to say, Biden and Barack Obomber? " Nearly a quarter of a million of his own citizens and counting. In foreign policy terms his sensational rhetoric only serves to amplify the hate agenda, not diplomacy. | |||
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes. Strange framing of the question - is there some context from some other thread that I'm missing? Every post I've seen from you guys has come across as pretty chilled - but now you seem kind of pissed off. so what exactly is patriotic about defending democracy on a global scale - is that not more of a humanistic goal? and what does "defending democracy on a global scale" mean, and is that true? or is it more of a case of the US using its military power to protect its own political and economic interests irrespective of democracy? It's hard to argue that US foreign policy has been a resounding success over the last few decades - Chile (twice), Nicaragua, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan (twice) have all arguably made the world a worse place, have lifted the lid on some of the worst kinds of extremism, unleashed them upon the world, and have been a total failure in terms of spreading and defending democracy. And part of that American foreign policy for the last 50 years has been a certain Joe Biden, involved in how many wars and skirmishes around the world? Whereas Trump has been involved for 4 years, pulled troops out of Afghanistan and brokered a few peace deals. So who you gonna vote for? The idea of trump as some sort of peace maker is too bizarre for words. Why? How much blood does he have on his hands compared to say, Biden and Barack Obomber? " Did Obama and biden begin The wars in iraq and afghan? I thought (silly me)it was the Republican administration under George w? I genuinely cant take someone seriously,who thinks trump is an advocate of harmony. A man who suggested they shoot immigrants running away and provoked one of the most powerful countries in the middle east. | |||
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"Hershey over Cadburys ? Are you for real . Cadburys is owned by Mondelez International an American company. U.K. manufactured Cadbury’s is now not allowed to be sold in the US as it’s much better quality and healthier. Don’t let Americans know their chocolate is crap.
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Special relationship You obviously dont understand "the special relationship" its all based on intelligence sharing not bloody chocolate or anything else. "The special relationship consists of America doing what it wants and us bending over. | |||
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"Hershey over Cadburys ? Are you for real . Cadburys is owned by Mondelez International an American company. U.K. manufactured Cadbury’s is now not allowed to be sold in the US as it’s much better quality and healthier. Don’t let Americans know their chocolate is crap.
The “British” themed stores are not allowed to be supplied from the U.K.
Special relationship You obviously dont understand "the special relationship" its all based on intelligence sharing not bloody chocolate or anything else. "The special relationship is based on America telling the UK what to do for their own benefit. | |||
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"Hersheys over Cadburys . Are you for Real ? If anyone else ranted on like that against any other country, you would be shouting racist... Have you tasted Hershey Chocolate ? Cadburys all the way They prefer Hershey's because it's what they are used to. We like Cadburys because it's what we are used to. Of course we each prefer what we've grown up with. Balderdash Id never tasted Maple Syrup I grew up on golden syrup Maple Syrup wins !" Glad you like Maple Syrup. But your personal individual preference don't mean what I said is wrong. You where talking in sweeping generalisation and do I respond in kind. So Americans (note the plural) prefer Hersey as it's what they're used to. There may well be individuals in the US who do prefer Cadburys but they will be a minority. | |||
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Special relationship You obviously dont understand "the special relationship" its all based on intelligence sharing not bloody chocolate or anything else. "Special relationship, my arse. Bulldog to poodle relationship yes. Another thing you’ve been brainwashed by. | |||
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"Hersheys over Cadburys . Are you for Real ? Yes we are realists but it's ok have your trolling fun . You mock us for our way of life but you can't give a realistic answer if we should defend democracy. But all you have is chocolate . Hershey's btw . Yuengling chocolate porter is fantastic . But you're not 'defending democracy' you're defending your version of world order. Americans don't generally become involved in conflicts unless it benefits their own position, altruism doesn't feature. As a patriot shouldn't you be putting the interests of all your citizens first rather than just those you like? Exactly this!
"We said multiple times Trump lost and we accept that fate. Citizens spoke. He will be removed. But you keep bashing us for our beliefs on protecting democracy on a global scale. Almost 800 billion in defense spending this year alone. To the UKs 53 billion. We think that money can be better spent on the citizens you accuse us of hating. So now what let's just global peace out the window ? You want us to think of america first but when we pull out of countries you cry foul. | |||
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"Hersheys over Cadburys . Are you for Real ? Yes we are realists but it's ok have your trolling fun . You mock us for our way of life but you can't give a realistic answer if we should defend democracy. But all you have is chocolate . Hershey's btw . Yuengling chocolate porter is fantastic . But you're not 'defending democracy' you're defending your version of world order. Americans don't generally become involved in conflicts unless it benefits their own position, altruism doesn't feature. As a patriot shouldn't you be putting the interests of all your citizens first rather than just those you like? Exactly this!
We said multiple times Trump lost and we accept that fate. Citizens spoke. He will be removed. But you keep bashing us for our beliefs on protecting democracy on a global scale. Almost 800 billion in defense spending this year alone. To the UKs 53 billion. We think that money can be better spent on the citizens you accuse us of hating. So now what let's just global peace out the window ? You want us to think of america first but when we pull out of countries you cry foul."Im sorry to break it to you but you are not defenders of world peace. Quite the opposite at times in fact. | |||
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"Hersheys over Cadburys . Are you for Real ? Yes we are realists but it's ok have your trolling fun . You mock us for our way of life but you can't give a realistic answer if we should defend democracy. But all you have is chocolate . Hershey's btw . Yuengling chocolate porter is fantastic . But you're not 'defending democracy' you're defending your version of world order. Americans don't generally become involved in conflicts unless it benefits their own position, altruism doesn't feature. As a patriot shouldn't you be putting the interests of all your citizens first rather than just those you like? Exactly this!
We said multiple times Trump lost and we accept that fate. Citizens spoke. He will be removed. But you keep bashing us for our beliefs on protecting democracy on a global scale. Almost 800 billion in defense spending this year alone. To the UKs 53 billion. We think that money can be better spent on the citizens you accuse us of hating. So now what let's just global peace out the window ? You want us to think of america first but when we pull out of countries you cry foul."Which of the US lead wars have been for "protecting democracy"? Must have missed those once. In my lifetime, every single US lead war has been for oil or to increase the profits of Boeing and other arms manufacturers. | |||
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"Hersheys over Cadburys . Are you for Real ? If anyone else ranted on like that against any other country, you would be shouting racist... Have you tasted Hershey Chocolate ? Cadburys all the way They prefer Hershey's because it's what they are used to. We like Cadburys because it's what we are used to. Of course we each prefer what we've grown up with. " Hmmm so why block the import if it’s not a threat?? They don’t have to and they still sell the chocolate . Don’t you love a political debate around chocolate!! Ha ha | |||
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes. Strange framing of the question - is there some context from some other thread that I'm missing? Every post I've seen from you guys has come across as pretty chilled - but now you seem kind of pissed off. so what exactly is patriotic about defending democracy on a global scale - is that not more of a humanistic goal? and what does "defending democracy on a global scale" mean, and is that true? or is it more of a case of the US using its military power to protect its own political and economic interests irrespective of democracy? It's hard to argue that US foreign policy has been a resounding success over the last few decades - Chile (twice), Nicaragua, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan (twice) have all arguably made the world a worse place, have lifted the lid on some of the worst kinds of extremism, unleashed them upon the world, and have been a total failure in terms of spreading and defending democracy. And part of that American foreign policy for the last 50 years has been a certain Joe Biden, involved in how many wars and skirmishes around the world? Whereas Trump has been involved for 4 years, pulled troops out of Afghanistan and brokered a few peace deals. So who you gonna vote for? The idea of trump as some sort of peace maker is too bizarre for words. Why? How much blood does he have on his hands compared to say, Biden and Barack Obomber? " Ask the Kurds! They will give you an answer . | |||
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"Hersheys over Cadburys . Are you for Real ? Exactly this!
We said multiple times Trump lost and we accept that fate. Citizens spoke. He will be removed. But you keep bashing us for our beliefs on protecting democracy on a global scale. Almost 800 billion in defense spending this year alone. To the UKs 53 billion. We think that money can be better spent on the citizens you accuse us of hating. So now what let's just global peace out the window ? You want us to think of america first but when we pull out of countries you cry foul."You dont defend democracy . Repetition of words does not Make a Statement TRUTH. | |||
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"Hersheys over Cadburys . Are you for Real ? Yes we are realists but it's ok have your trolling fun . You mock us for our way of life but you can't give a realistic answer if we should defend democracy. But all you have is chocolate . Hershey's btw . Yuengling chocolate porter is fantastic . But you're not 'defending democracy' you're defending your version of world order. Americans don't generally become involved in conflicts unless it benefits their own position, altruism doesn't feature. As a patriot shouldn't you be putting the interests of all your citizens first rather than just those you like? Exactly this!
We said multiple times Trump lost and we accept that fate. Citizens spoke. He will be removed. But you keep bashing us for our beliefs on protecting democracy on a global scale. Almost 800 billion in defense spending this year alone. To the UKs 53 billion. We think that money can be better spent on the citizens you accuse us of hating. So now what let's just global peace out the window ? You want us to think of america first but when we pull out of countries you cry foul."Like abandoning the Kurds to Turkey? | |||
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"Hersheys over Cadburys . Are you for Real ? Yes we are realists but it's ok have your trolling fun . You mock us for our way of life but you can't give a realistic answer if we should defend democracy. But all you have is chocolate . Hershey's btw . Yuengling chocolate porter is fantastic . But you're not 'defending democracy' you're defending your version of world order. Americans don't generally become involved in conflicts unless it benefits their own position, altruism doesn't feature. As a patriot shouldn't you be putting the interests of all your citizens first rather than just those you like? Exactly this!
We said multiple times Trump lost and we accept that fate. Citizens spoke. He will be removed. But you keep bashing us for our beliefs on protecting democracy on a global scale. Almost 800 billion in defense spending this year alone. To the UKs 53 billion. We think that money can be better spent on the citizens you accuse us of hating. So now what let's just global peace out the window ? You want us to think of america first but when we pull out of countries you cry foul."Once again, you are not defending democracy. You are defending your market and your own interests. And if you think that your views are getting lukewarm reactions here, try a French or German forum and you’ll read even more anti-America bullshit response. Britain is probably the mini America of Europe. The image of your country is far worse in countries like Germany and France. At least France had the balls to tell Bush to get lost and never went to Iraq. | |||
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes. Strange framing of the question - is there some context from some other thread that I'm missing? Every post I've seen from you guys has come across as pretty chilled - but now you seem kind of pissed off. so what exactly is patriotic about defending democracy on a global scale - is that not more of a humanistic goal? and what does "defending democracy on a global scale" mean, and is that true? or is it more of a case of the US using its military power to protect its own political and economic interests irrespective of democracy? It's hard to argue that US foreign policy has been a resounding success over the last few decades - Chile (twice), Nicaragua, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan (twice) have all arguably made the world a worse place, have lifted the lid on some of the worst kinds of extremism, unleashed them upon the world, and have been a total failure in terms of spreading and defending democracy. And part of that American foreign policy for the last 50 years has been a certain Joe Biden, involved in how many wars and skirmishes around the world? Whereas Trump has been involved for 4 years, pulled troops out of Afghanistan and brokered a few peace deals. So who you gonna vote for? The idea of trump as some sort of peace maker is too bizarre for words. Why? How much blood does he have on his hands compared to say, Biden and Barack Obomber? Nearly a quarter of a million of his own citizens and counting. In foreign policy terms his sensational rhetoric only serves to amplify the hate agenda, not diplomacy." Weren't the numbers of his own people similar before he took power? Obama and Biden spent their full 8 year term at war with somebody and in 2016 alone dropped 26,171 bombs, killing god knows how many innocents. Do you think that maybe those actions had a slightly more negative impact than Trump's 'rhetoric'? | |||
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes. Strange framing of the question - is there some context from some other thread that I'm missing? Every post I've seen from you guys has come across as pretty chilled - but now you seem kind of pissed off. so what exactly is patriotic about defending democracy on a global scale - is that not more of a humanistic goal? and what does "defending democracy on a global scale" mean, and is that true? or is it more of a case of the US using its military power to protect its own political and economic interests irrespective of democracy? It's hard to argue that US foreign policy has been a resounding success over the last few decades - Chile (twice), Nicaragua, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan (twice) have all arguably made the world a worse place, have lifted the lid on some of the worst kinds of extremism, unleashed them upon the world, and have been a total failure in terms of spreading and defending democracy. And part of that American foreign policy for the last 50 years has been a certain Joe Biden, involved in how many wars and skirmishes around the world? Whereas Trump has been involved for 4 years, pulled troops out of Afghanistan and brokered a few peace deals. So who you gonna vote for? The idea of trump as some sort of peace maker is too bizarre for words. Why? How much blood does he have on his hands compared to say, Biden and Barack Obomber? Nearly a quarter of a million of his own citizens and counting. In foreign policy terms his sensational rhetoric only serves to amplify the hate agenda, not diplomacy. Weren't the numbers of his own people similar before he took power? Obama and Biden spent their full 8 year term at war with somebody and in 2016 alone dropped 26,171 bombs, killing god knows how many innocents. Do you think that maybe those actions had a slightly more negative impact than Trump's 'rhetoric'? " Did Obama start the war? | |||
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes. Strange framing of the question - is there some context from some other thread that I'm missing? Every post I've seen from you guys has come across as pretty chilled - but now you seem kind of pissed off. so what exactly is patriotic about defending democracy on a global scale - is that not more of a humanistic goal? and what does "defending democracy on a global scale" mean, and is that true? or is it more of a case of the US using its military power to protect its own political and economic interests irrespective of democracy? It's hard to argue that US foreign policy has been a resounding success over the last few decades - Chile (twice), Nicaragua, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan (twice) have all arguably made the world a worse place, have lifted the lid on some of the worst kinds of extremism, unleashed them upon the world, and have been a total failure in terms of spreading and defending democracy. And part of that American foreign policy for the last 50 years has been a certain Joe Biden, involved in how many wars and skirmishes around the world? Whereas Trump has been involved for 4 years, pulled troops out of Afghanistan and brokered a few peace deals. So who you gonna vote for? The idea of trump as some sort of peace maker is too bizarre for words. Why? How much blood does he have on his hands compared to say, Biden and Barack Obomber? Nearly a quarter of a million of his own citizens and counting. In foreign policy terms his sensational rhetoric only serves to amplify the hate agenda, not diplomacy. Weren't the numbers of his own people similar before he took power? Obama and Biden spent their full 8 year term at war with somebody and in 2016 alone dropped 26,171 bombs, killing god knows how many innocents. Do you think that maybe those actions had a slightly more negative impact than Trump's 'rhetoric'? Did Obama start the war?" Did he end it? | |||
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"Like supporting the genocidal Pinochet in Chile "The Dissapeared" really dissapeared while the Americans turned a blind eye Becuase of Socialism . Patriots defending Democracy Pah ha ha ha " Erm we are in a glass house here so shouldn’t through stones . The U.K. was a staunch ally when it suited us . | |||
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes. Strange framing of the question - is there some context from some other thread that I'm missing? Every post I've seen from you guys has come across as pretty chilled - but now you seem kind of pissed off. so what exactly is patriotic about defending democracy on a global scale - is that not more of a humanistic goal? and what does "defending democracy on a global scale" mean, and is that true? or is it more of a case of the US using its military power to protect its own political and economic interests irrespective of democracy? It's hard to argue that US foreign policy has been a resounding success over the last few decades - Chile (twice), Nicaragua, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan (twice) have all arguably made the world a worse place, have lifted the lid on some of the worst kinds of extremism, unleashed them upon the world, and have been a total failure in terms of spreading and defending democracy. And part of that American foreign policy for the last 50 years has been a certain Joe Biden, involved in how many wars and skirmishes around the world? Whereas Trump has been involved for 4 years, pulled troops out of Afghanistan and brokered a few peace deals. So who you gonna vote for? The idea of trump as some sort of peace maker is too bizarre for words. Why? How much blood does he have on his hands compared to say, Biden and Barack Obomber? Nearly a quarter of a million of his own citizens and counting. In foreign policy terms his sensational rhetoric only serves to amplify the hate agenda, not diplomacy. Weren't the numbers of his own people similar before he took power? Obama and Biden spent their full 8 year term at war with somebody and in 2016 alone dropped 26,171 bombs, killing god knows how many innocents. Do you think that maybe those actions had a slightly more negative impact than Trump's 'rhetoric'? Did Obama start the war? Did he end it? " Thank you. | |||
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes. Strange framing of the question - is there some context from some other thread that I'm missing? Every post I've seen from you guys has come across as pretty chilled - but now you seem kind of pissed off. so what exactly is patriotic about defending democracy on a global scale - is that not more of a humanistic goal? and what does "defending democracy on a global scale" mean, and is that true? or is it more of a case of the US using its military power to protect its own political and economic interests irrespective of democracy? It's hard to argue that US foreign policy has been a resounding success over the last few decades - Chile (twice), Nicaragua, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan (twice) have all arguably made the world a worse place, have lifted the lid on some of the worst kinds of extremism, unleashed them upon the world, and have been a total failure in terms of spreading and defending democracy. And part of that American foreign policy for the last 50 years has been a certain Joe Biden, involved in how many wars and skirmishes around the world? Whereas Trump has been involved for 4 years, pulled troops out of Afghanistan and brokered a few peace deals. So who you gonna vote for? The idea of trump as some sort of peace maker is too bizarre for words. Why? How much blood does he have on his hands compared to say, Biden and Barack Obomber? Nearly a quarter of a million of his own citizens and counting. In foreign policy terms his sensational rhetoric only serves to amplify the hate agenda, not diplomacy. Weren't the numbers of his own people similar before he took power? Obama and Biden spent their full 8 year term at war with somebody and in 2016 alone dropped 26,171 bombs, killing god knows how many innocents. Do you think that maybe those actions had a slightly more negative impact than Trump's 'rhetoric'? " You like defending lost causes and being the devil’s advocate? Come on, admit it! | |||
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes. Strange framing of the question - is there some context from some other thread that I'm missing? Every post I've seen from you guys has come across as pretty chilled - but now you seem kind of pissed off. so what exactly is patriotic about defending democracy on a global scale - is that not more of a humanistic goal? and what does "defending democracy on a global scale" mean, and is that true? or is it more of a case of the US using its military power to protect its own political and economic interests irrespective of democracy? It's hard to argue that US foreign policy has been a resounding success over the last few decades - Chile (twice), Nicaragua, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan (twice) have all arguably made the world a worse place, have lifted the lid on some of the worst kinds of extremism, unleashed them upon the world, and have been a total failure in terms of spreading and defending democracy. And part of that American foreign policy for the last 50 years has been a certain Joe Biden, involved in how many wars and skirmishes around the world? Whereas Trump has been involved for 4 years, pulled troops out of Afghanistan and brokered a few peace deals. So who you gonna vote for? The idea of trump as some sort of peace maker is too bizarre for words. Why? How much blood does he have on his hands compared to say, Biden and Barack Obomber? Nearly a quarter of a million of his own citizens and counting. In foreign policy terms his sensational rhetoric only serves to amplify the hate agenda, not diplomacy. Weren't the numbers of his own people similar before he took power? Obama and Biden spent their full 8 year term at war with somebody and in 2016 alone dropped 26,171 bombs, killing god knows how many innocents. Do you think that maybe those actions had a slightly more negative impact than Trump's 'rhetoric'? Did Obama start the war? Did he end it? " Unlike Trump running away from the Kurds Obama stuck it out to try and get the situation sorted . Too late sadly | |||
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes. Strange framing of the question - is there some context from some other thread that I'm missing? Every post I've seen from you guys has come across as pretty chilled - but now you seem kind of pissed off. so what exactly is patriotic about defending democracy on a global scale - is that not more of a humanistic goal? and what does "defending democracy on a global scale" mean, and is that true? or is it more of a case of the US using its military power to protect its own political and economic interests irrespective of democracy? It's hard to argue that US foreign policy has been a resounding success over the last few decades - Chile (twice), Nicaragua, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan (twice) have all arguably made the world a worse place, have lifted the lid on some of the worst kinds of extremism, unleashed them upon the world, and have been a total failure in terms of spreading and defending democracy. And part of that American foreign policy for the last 50 years has been a certain Joe Biden, involved in how many wars and skirmishes around the world? Whereas Trump has been involved for 4 years, pulled troops out of Afghanistan and brokered a few peace deals. So who you gonna vote for? The idea of trump as some sort of peace maker is too bizarre for words. Why? How much blood does he have on his hands compared to say, Biden and Barack Obomber? Nearly a quarter of a million of his own citizens and counting. In foreign policy terms his sensational rhetoric only serves to amplify the hate agenda, not diplomacy. Weren't the numbers of his own people similar before he took power? Obama and Biden spent their full 8 year term at war with somebody and in 2016 alone dropped 26,171 bombs, killing god knows how many innocents. Do you think that maybe those actions had a slightly more negative impact than Trump's 'rhetoric'? Did Obama start the war? Did he end it? Unlike Trump running away from the Kurds Obama stuck it out to try and get the situation sorted . Too late sadly " No, he ran away from Assad instead and left thousands of Syrians dead after promising to back them | |||
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes. Strange framing of the question - is there some context from some other thread that I'm missing? Every post I've seen from you guys has come across as pretty chilled - but now you seem kind of pissed off. so what exactly is patriotic about defending democracy on a global scale - is that not more of a humanistic goal? and what does "defending democracy on a global scale" mean, and is that true? or is it more of a case of the US using its military power to protect its own political and economic interests irrespective of democracy? It's hard to argue that US foreign policy has been a resounding success over the last few decades - Chile (twice), Nicaragua, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan (twice) have all arguably made the world a worse place, have lifted the lid on some of the worst kinds of extremism, unleashed them upon the world, and have been a total failure in terms of spreading and defending democracy. And part of that American foreign policy for the last 50 years has been a certain Joe Biden, involved in how many wars and skirmishes around the world? Whereas Trump has been involved for 4 years, pulled troops out of Afghanistan and brokered a few peace deals. So who you gonna vote for? The idea of trump as some sort of peace maker is too bizarre for words. Why? How much blood does he have on his hands compared to say, Biden and Barack Obomber? Nearly a quarter of a million of his own citizens and counting. In foreign policy terms his sensational rhetoric only serves to amplify the hate agenda, not diplomacy. Weren't the numbers of his own people similar before he took power? Obama and Biden spent their full 8 year term at war with somebody and in 2016 alone dropped 26,171 bombs, killing god knows how many innocents. Do you think that maybe those actions had a slightly more negative impact than Trump's 'rhetoric'? Did Obama start the war? Did he end it? Unlike Trump running away from the Kurds Obama stuck it out to try and get the situation sorted . Too late sadly No, he ran away from Assad instead and left thousands of Syrians dead after promising to back them " So he was at fault for prolonging the conflict on Afghanistan and at fault for not intervening in syria? A curious argument. I'm sure fighting on the side of ISIS would have gone down well and there is never any downsides to getting involved in a middle Eastern conflict. | |||
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"Hersheys over Cadburys . Are you for Real ? Yes we are realists but it's ok have your trolling fun . You mock us for our way of life but you can't give a realistic answer if we should defend democracy. But all you have is chocolate . Hershey's btw . Yuengling chocolate porter is fantastic . But you're not 'defending democracy' you're defending your version of world order. Americans don't generally become involved in conflicts unless it benefits their own position, altruism doesn't feature. As a patriot shouldn't you be putting the interests of all your citizens first rather than just those you like? Exactly this!
We said multiple times Trump lost and we accept that fate. Citizens spoke. He will be removed. But you keep bashing us for our beliefs on protecting democracy on a global scale. Almost 800 billion in defense spending this year alone. To the UKs 53 billion. We think that money can be better spent on the citizens you accuse us of hating. So now what let's just global peace out the window ? You want us to think of america first but when we pull out of countries you cry foul.
Once again, you are not defending democracy. You are defending your market and your own interests.
And if you think that your views are getting lukewarm reactions here, try a French or German forum and you’ll read even more anti-America bullshit response. Britain is probably the mini America of Europe. The image of your country is far worse in countries like Germany and France. At least France had the balls to tell Bush to get lost and never went to Iraq.". Really how is the gulf our interests when we are energy independent? I am all for cutting back on carriers in the gulf protect international shipping. That money can be well spent on the American people don't you think ? We can let china and iran take those shipping lanes. It's appears that is what the general consensus that you want. So I agree pull back watch the world burn. All for it 100 %. We thought we helping but it appears we can't satisfy everyone now can we. | |||
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes." Because the Cold War ended decades ago and your ‘president’ is in bed with Putin and up to his ears in debt to the Chinese? | |||
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes. Strange framing of the question - is there some context from some other thread that I'm missing? Every post I've seen from you guys has come across as pretty chilled - but now you seem kind of pissed off. so what exactly is patriotic about defending democracy on a global scale - is that not more of a humanistic goal? and what does "defending democracy on a global scale" mean, and is that true? or is it more of a case of the US using its military power to protect its own political and economic interests irrespective of democracy? It's hard to argue that US foreign policy has been a resounding success over the last few decades - Chile (twice), Nicaragua, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan (twice) have all arguably made the world a worse place, have lifted the lid on some of the worst kinds of extremism, unleashed them upon the world, and have been a total failure in terms of spreading and defending democracy. And part of that American foreign policy for the last 50 years has been a certain Joe Biden, involved in how many wars and skirmishes around the world? Whereas Trump has been involved for 4 years, pulled troops out of Afghanistan and brokered a few peace deals. So who you gonna vote for? The idea of trump as some sort of peace maker is too bizarre for words. Why? How much blood does he have on his hands compared to say, Biden and Barack Obomber? Nearly a quarter of a million of his own citizens and counting. In foreign policy terms his sensational rhetoric only serves to amplify the hate agenda, not diplomacy. Weren't the numbers of his own people similar before he took power? Obama and Biden spent their full 8 year term at war with somebody and in 2016 alone dropped 26,171 bombs, killing god knows how many innocents. Do you think that maybe those actions had a slightly more negative impact than Trump's 'rhetoric'? Did Obama start the war? Did he end it? Unlike Trump running away from the Kurds Obama stuck it out to try and get the situation sorted . Too late sadly No, he ran away from Assad instead and left thousands of Syrians dead after promising to back them " As soon as Russia put men on the ground it was game over . Air power could not beat the Russians . The same reason Ukraine was split. Unless you want the USA to go to war with Russia? | |||
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"Hersheys over Cadburys . Are you for Real ? Yes we are realists but it's ok have your trolling fun . You mock us for our way of life but you can't give a realistic answer if we should defend democracy. But all you have is chocolate . Hershey's btw . Yuengling chocolate porter is fantastic . But you're not 'defending democracy' you're defending your version of world order. Americans don't generally become involved in conflicts unless it benefits their own position, altruism doesn't feature. As a patriot shouldn't you be putting the interests of all your citizens first rather than just those you like? Exactly this!
We said multiple times Trump lost and we accept that fate. Citizens spoke. He will be removed. But you keep bashing us for our beliefs on protecting democracy on a global scale. Almost 800 billion in defense spending this year alone. To the UKs 53 billion. We think that money can be better spent on the citizens you accuse us of hating. So now what let's just global peace out the window ? You want us to think of america first but when we pull out of countries you cry foul.
Once again, you are not defending democracy. You are defending your market and your own interests.
And if you think that your views are getting lukewarm reactions here, try a French or German forum and you’ll read even more anti-America bullshit response. Britain is probably the mini America of Europe. The image of your country is far worse in countries like Germany and France. At least France had the balls to tell Bush to get lost and never went to Iraq..
Really how is the gulf our interests when we are energy independent? I am all for cutting back on carriers in the gulf protect international shipping. That money can be well spent on the American people don't you think ? We can let china and iran take those shipping lanes. It's appears that is what the general consensus that you want. So I agree pull back watch the world burn. All for it 100 %. We thought we helping but it appears we can't satisfy everyone now can we."I believe that you believe you were helping. But the US army only exists to serve oil companies and arms manufacturers. War for profit. Pure and simple. | |||
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"Its called Sovereignty. Ok then you are ready to take the rest of the world on your own. So we can can spend the national defense on the American people . Thank you for your answer on why us 70 million deplorable idiots who cared about your well being and democracy can finally rest In peace. Since you can handle it on your own." you know aswell as everyone on here we and Europe would be fucked without the USA we depend on you for security to much we need to sort our own shit out before staining the USA all the idiots on here slagging you off all drink eat Mac Donald’s binge on Netflix waching American shows listen to yr music and sabe up to take there kids to Disneyland so take no notice sites full of haters | |||
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"Its called Sovereignty. Ok then you are ready to take the rest of the world on your own. So we can can spend the national defense on the American people . Thank you for your answer on why us 70 million deplorable idiots who cared about your well being and democracy can finally rest In peace. Since you can handle it on your own.you know aswell as everyone on here we and Europe would be fucked without the USA we depend on you for security to much we need to sort our own shit out before staining the USA all the idiots on here slagging you off all drink eat Mac Donald’s binge on Netflix waching American shows listen to yr music and sabe up to take there kids to Disneyland so take no notice sites full of haters " pardon me? What exactly is the point you're trying to make. | |||
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"Its called Sovereignty. Ok then you are ready to take the rest of the world on your own. So we can can spend the national defense on the American people . Thank you for your answer on why us 70 million deplorable idiots who cared about your well being and democracy can finally rest In peace. Since you can handle it on your own.you know aswell as everyone on here we and Europe would be fucked without the USA we depend on you for security to much we need to sort our own shit out before staining the USA all the idiots on here slagging you off all drink eat Mac Donald’s binge on Netflix waching American shows listen to yr music and sabe up to take there kids to Disneyland so take no notice sites full of haters pardon me? What exactly is the point you're trying to make." point I’m making is ppl on here love to dig the USA out pull them down but we’re would we be without them ? | |||
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"Its called Sovereignty. Ok then you are ready to take the rest of the world on your own. So we can can spend the national defense on the American people . Thank you for your answer on why us 70 million deplorable idiots who cared about your well being and democracy can finally rest In peace. Since you can handle it on your own.you know aswell as everyone on here we and Europe would be fucked without the USA we depend on you for security to much we need to sort our own shit out before staining the USA all the idiots on here slagging you off all drink eat Mac Donald’s binge on Netflix waching American shows listen to yr music and sabe up to take there kids to Disneyland so take no notice sites full of haters " Thanks and that is our point they can't see real world views .The blind hatred for 1 man has created a huge rift. The average patriot at this point just wants to say screw it all let's burn this shit down and we just don't mean the states. You wanted a view on why the way we are well you got it. You start seeding doubt on why the average service man or woman is doing you set a dangerous precedent. | |||
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"People drink French wines, drive German cars, eat Italian pasta and pizzas, eat Spanish paella, holiday in Spain, drink Port and slag off the EU. Another cretinous argument. " Slag off the EU not Europeans | |||
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes. Strange framing of the question - is there some context from some other thread that I'm missing? Every post I've seen from you guys has come across as pretty chilled - but now you seem kind of pissed off. so what exactly is patriotic about defending democracy on a global scale - is that not more of a humanistic goal? and what does "defending democracy on a global scale" mean, and is that true? or is it more of a case of the US using its military power to protect its own political and economic interests irrespective of democracy? It's hard to argue that US foreign policy has been a resounding success over the last few decades - Chile (twice), Nicaragua, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan (twice) have all arguably made the world a worse place, have lifted the lid on some of the worst kinds of extremism, unleashed them upon the world, and have been a total failure in terms of spreading and defending democracy. And part of that American foreign policy for the last 50 years has been a certain Joe Biden, involved in how many wars and skirmishes around the world? Whereas Trump has been involved for 4 years, pulled troops out of Afghanistan and brokered a few peace deals. So who you gonna vote for? The idea of trump as some sort of peace maker is too bizarre for words. Why? How much blood does he have on his hands compared to say, Biden and Barack Obomber? Nearly a quarter of a million of his own citizens and counting. In foreign policy terms his sensational rhetoric only serves to amplify the hate agenda, not diplomacy. Weren't the numbers of his own people similar before he took power? Obama and Biden spent their full 8 year term at war with somebody and in 2016 alone dropped 26,171 bombs, killing god knows how many innocents. Do you think that maybe those actions had a slightly more negative impact than Trump's 'rhetoric'? Did Obama start the war? Did he end it? Unlike Trump running away from the Kurds Obama stuck it out to try and get the situation sorted . Too late sadly No, he ran away from Assad instead and left thousands of Syrians dead after promising to back them So he was at fault for prolonging the conflict on Afghanistan and at fault for not intervening in syria? A curious argument. I'm sure fighting on the side of ISIS would have gone down well and there is never any downsides to getting involved in a middle Eastern conflict." You obviously don't know what you are talking about | |||
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"Its called Sovereignty. Ok then you are ready to take the rest of the world on your own. So we can can spend the national defense on the American people . Thank you for your answer on why us 70 million deplorable idiots who cared about your well being and democracy can finally rest In peace. Since you can handle it on your own.you know aswell as everyone on here we and Europe would be fucked without the USA we depend on you for security to much we need to sort our own shit out before staining the USA all the idiots on here slagging you off all drink eat Mac Donald’s binge on Netflix waching American shows listen to yr music and sabe up to take there kids to Disneyland so take no notice sites full of haters Thanks and that is our point they can't see real world views .The blind hatred for 1 man has created a huge rift. The average patriot at this point just wants to say screw it all let's burn this shit down and we just don't mean the states. You wanted a view on why the way we are well you got it. You start seeding doubt on why the average service man or woman is doing you set a dangerous precedent." It is not the hatred for one man, it is a criticism of a country whose policies are highly hypocritical and self-centred. The US and the American voters don’t give a toss about Europe. They are making that. Western Europe is not falling into the Russian sphere. It’s also why the US intervened in ww2. There was nothing philanthropic about the American intervention. The same goes with the Marshall Plan.of course the financial help was beneficial to Europe but it was also a way to make Western Europe part of the American political sphere and make us politically dependent on America. You’re so naive with your defence of democracy nonsense. That’s what they sell you but you don’t have to buy their crap. | |||
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"Its called Sovereignty. Ok then you are ready to take the rest of the world on your own. So we can can spend the national defense on the American people . Thank you for your answer on why us 70 million deplorable idiots who cared about your well being and democracy can finally rest In peace. Since you can handle it on your own.you know aswell as everyone on here we and Europe would be fucked without the USA we depend on you for security to much we need to sort our own shit out before staining the USA all the idiots on here slagging you off all drink eat Mac Donald’s binge on Netflix waching American shows listen to yr music and sabe up to take there kids to Disneyland so take no notice sites full of haters pardon me? What exactly is the point you're trying to make. point I’m making is ppl on here love to dig the USA out pull them down but we’re would we be without them ?" Because you like maccies.you cant criticise their foreign policy? | |||
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes. Strange framing of the question - is there some context from some other thread that I'm missing? Every post I've seen from you guys has come across as pretty chilled - but now you seem kind of pissed off. so what exactly is patriotic about defending democracy on a global scale - is that not more of a humanistic goal? and what does "defending democracy on a global scale" mean, and is that true? or is it more of a case of the US using its military power to protect its own political and economic interests irrespective of democracy? It's hard to argue that US foreign policy has been a resounding success over the last few decades - Chile (twice), Nicaragua, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan (twice) have all arguably made the world a worse place, have lifted the lid on some of the worst kinds of extremism, unleashed them upon the world, and have been a total failure in terms of spreading and defending democracy. And part of that American foreign policy for the last 50 years has been a certain Joe Biden, involved in how many wars and skirmishes around the world? Whereas Trump has been involved for 4 years, pulled troops out of Afghanistan and brokered a few peace deals. So who you gonna vote for? The idea of trump as some sort of peace maker is too bizarre for words. Why? How much blood does he have on his hands compared to say, Biden and Barack Obomber? Nearly a quarter of a million of his own citizens and counting. In foreign policy terms his sensational rhetoric only serves to amplify the hate agenda, not diplomacy. Weren't the numbers of his own people similar before he took power? Obama and Biden spent their full 8 year term at war with somebody and in 2016 alone dropped 26,171 bombs, killing god knows how many innocents. Do you think that maybe those actions had a slightly more negative impact than Trump's 'rhetoric'? Did Obama start the war? Did he end it? Unlike Trump running away from the Kurds Obama stuck it out to try and get the situation sorted . Too late sadly No, he ran away from Assad instead and left thousands of Syrians dead after promising to back them So he was at fault for prolonging the conflict on Afghanistan and at fault for not intervening in syria? A curious argument. I'm sure fighting on the side of ISIS would have gone down well and there is never any downsides to getting involved in a middle Eastern conflict. You obviously don't know what you are talking about " ISIS were not involved in syria? | |||
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"People drink French wines, drive German cars, eat Italian pasta and pizzas, eat Spanish paella, holiday in Spain, drink Port and slag off the EU. Another cretinous argument. " aw thanx lol yes we do yr spot on but I don’t slag any country off you constantly slag the USA off to the point of won’t even visit there while trump was president lol so come on then tell us all where would we be without the USA then it’s like a fashion now kick America jump on the bangwagon we would be fucked without them and we all know it | |||
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"Its called Sovereignty. Ok then you are ready to take the rest of the world on your own. So we can can spend the national defense on the American people . Thank you for your answer on why us 70 million deplorable idiots who cared about your well being and democracy can finally rest In peace. Since you can handle it on your own.you know aswell as everyone on here we and Europe would be fucked without the USA we depend on you for security to much we need to sort our own shit out before staining the USA all the idiots on here slagging you off all drink eat Mac Donald’s binge on Netflix waching American shows listen to yr music and sabe up to take there kids to Disneyland so take no notice sites full of haters Thanks and that is our point they can't see real world views .The blind hatred for 1 man has created a huge rift. The average patriot at this point just wants to say screw it all let's burn this shit down and we just don't mean the states. You wanted a view on why the way we are well you got it. You start seeding doubt on why the average service man or woman is doing you set a dangerous precedent." Hardly Patriotic . We dont Hate Trump We just LAUGH AT HIM & HIS WEIRD HAIR . You lot cant distinguish between Sarcasm & Hate . Dont worry when your country makes it to the age of European countries You'll get it . You are still the children of the world . Just enjoy school | |||
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"People drink French wines, drive German cars, eat Italian pasta and pizzas, eat Spanish paella, holiday in Spain, drink Port and slag off the EU. Another cretinous argument. Slag off the EU not Europeans" Another great joke. Was that Boris Johnson calling the French ‘turds’? When our rags compare Merkel to Hitler, is that also the EU. Nonsense again. | |||
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"People drink French wines, drive German cars, eat Italian pasta and pizzas, eat Spanish paella, holiday in Spain, drink Port and slag off the EU. Another cretinous argument. aw thanx lol yes we do yr spot on but I don’t slag any country off you constantly slag the USA off to the point of won’t even visit there while trump was president lol so come on then tell us all where would we be without the USA then it’s like a fashion now kick America jump on the bangwagon we would be fucked without them and we all know it " In what way would we be fucked? | |||
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"Its called Sovereignty. Ok then you are ready to take the rest of the world on your own. So we can can spend the national defense on the American people . Thank you for your answer on why us 70 million deplorable idiots who cared about your well being and democracy can finally rest In peace. Since you can handle it on your own.you know aswell as everyone on here we and Europe would be fucked without the USA we depend on you for security to much we need to sort our own shit out before staining the USA all the idiots on here slagging you off all drink eat Mac Donald’s binge on Netflix waching American shows listen to yr music and sabe up to take there kids to Disneyland so take no notice sites full of haters Thanks and that is our point they can't see real world views .The blind hatred for 1 man has created a huge rift. The average patriot at this point just wants to say screw it all let's burn this shit down and we just don't mean the states. You wanted a view on why the way we are well you got it. You start seeding doubt on why the average service man or woman is doing you set a dangerous precedent. Hardly Patriotic . We dont Hate Trump We just LAUGH AT HIM & HIS WEIRD HAIR . You lot cant distinguish between Sarcasm & Hate . Dont worry when your country makes it to the age of European countries You'll get it . You are still the children of the world . Just enjoy school " because our leader has great hair asnt he lol they look like they were separated at birth ffs | |||
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"People drink French wines, drive German cars, eat Italian pasta and pizzas, eat Spanish paella, holiday in Spain, drink Port and slag off the EU. Another cretinous argument. aw thanx lol yes we do yr spot on but I don’t slag any country off you constantly slag the USA off to the point of won’t even visit there while trump was president lol so come on then tell us all where would we be without the USA then it’s like a fashion now kick America jump on the bangwagon we would be fucked without them and we all know it In what way would we be fucked?" He probably means we’d speak German... The usual thing with brexiters. The usual glorification of ww2. It’s a bit like the ‘can you imagine how worse things would be if Corbyn was PM’. Science fiction politics. | |||
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"Its called Sovereignty. Ok then you are ready to take the rest of the world on your own. So we can can spend the national defense on the American people . Thank you for your answer on why us 70 million deplorable idiots who cared about your well being and democracy can finally rest In peace. Since you can handle it on your own.you know aswell as everyone on here we and Europe would be fucked without the USA we depend on you for security to much we need to sort our own shit out before staining the USA all the idiots on here slagging you off all drink eat Mac Donald’s binge on Netflix waching American shows listen to yr music and sabe up to take there kids to Disneyland so take no notice sites full of haters pardon me? What exactly is the point you're trying to make. point I’m making is ppl on here love to dig the USA out pull them down but we’re would we be without them ?" Ok I should point out that I'm an American and have the right to criticise the actions and policies of the USA. But that aside, there's not much to rebut in your post. Words matter and what the OP calls patriotism is little more than ethnonationalism with a side of authoritarianism. | |||
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"People drink French wines, drive German cars, eat Italian pasta and pizzas, eat Spanish paella, holiday in Spain, drink Port and slag off the EU. Another cretinous argument. Slag off the EU not Europeans Another great joke. Was that Boris Johnson calling the French ‘turds’? When our rags compare Merkel to Hitler, is that also the EU. Nonsense again." Well in those 2 examples they do have a point | |||
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"People drink French wines, drive German cars, eat Italian pasta and pizzas, eat Spanish paella, holiday in Spain, drink Port and slag off the EU. Another cretinous argument. aw thanx lol yes we do yr spot on but I don’t slag any country off you constantly slag the USA off to the point of won’t even visit there while trump was president lol so come on then tell us all where would we be without the USA then it’s like a fashion now kick America jump on the bangwagon we would be fucked without them and we all know it In what way would we be fucked? He probably means we’d speak German... The usual thing with brexiters. The usual glorification of ww2. It’s a bit like the ‘can you imagine how worse things would be if Corbyn was PM’. Science fiction politics. " calm down get a grip man yr the person who’s just mentioned the war ffs you always fly of the handel sit down have a brew I recommend Yorkshire tea I was thinking more about security if the USA pulled out of nato and Europe I don’t think it be German we would be speaking fella it be Russian | |||
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"People drink French wines, drive German cars, eat Italian pasta and pizzas, eat Spanish paella, holiday in Spain, drink Port and slag off the EU. Another cretinous argument. aw thanx lol yes we do yr spot on but I don’t slag any country off you constantly slag the USA off to the point of won’t even visit there while trump was president lol so come on then tell us all where would we be without the USA then it’s like a fashion now kick America jump on the bangwagon we would be fucked without them and we all know it In what way would we be fucked? He probably means we’d speak German... The usual thing with brexiters. The usual glorification of ww2. It’s a bit like the ‘can you imagine how worse things would be if Corbyn was PM’. Science fiction politics. calm down get a grip man yr the person who’s just mentioned the war ffs you always fly of the handel sit down have a brew I recommend Yorkshire tea I was thinking more about security if the USA pulled out of nato and Europe I don’t think it be German we would be speaking fella it be Russian " You think Russia could invade and take over all of western Europe? | |||
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"People drink French wines, drive German cars, eat Italian pasta and pizzas, eat Spanish paella, holiday in Spain, drink Port and slag off the EU. Another cretinous argument. aw thanx lol yes we do yr spot on but I don’t slag any country off you constantly slag the USA off to the point of won’t even visit there while trump was president lol so come on then tell us all where would we be without the USA then it’s like a fashion now kick America jump on the bangwagon we would be fucked without them and we all know it " I’ve never waited for Trump to be president to have major doubts on the US. It’s not a country I’ve ever been keen on. Quite the opposite to be honest. There’s very little I admire about America apart from jazz music and the possibility to succeed in life if you work hard. Apart from that I’ve always thought it is a fairly racist country that uses God for its political objectives. It’s also a fairly intolerant nation that is self-centred with very little knowledge of what happens in other countries. As I said before, thanks for what they did 80 years ago but they had good reasons to intervene. They also took their time. Democracy wasn’t worth being defended in 1949, 1941, 1942 and 1943. I wonder why. | |||
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"People drink French wines, drive German cars, eat Italian pasta and pizzas, eat Spanish paella, holiday in Spain, drink Port and slag off the EU. Another cretinous argument. aw thanx lol yes we do yr spot on but I don’t slag any country off you constantly slag the USA off to the point of won’t even visit there while trump was president lol so come on then tell us all where would we be without the USA then it’s like a fashion now kick America jump on the bangwagon we would be fucked without them and we all know it In what way would we be fucked? He probably means we’d speak German... The usual thing with brexiters. The usual glorification of ww2. It’s a bit like the ‘can you imagine how worse things would be if Corbyn was PM’. Science fiction politics. calm down get a grip man yr the person who’s just mentioned the war ffs you always fly of the handel sit down have a brew I recommend Yorkshire tea I was thinking more about security if the USA pulled out of nato and Europe I don’t think it be German we would be speaking fella it be Russian You think Russia could invade and take over all of western Europe?" I think Russia think they could and who do you think could stop them ?the U.K. ?the German defence army ? France ? Who | |||
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"People drink French wines, drive German cars, eat Italian pasta and pizzas, eat Spanish paella, holiday in Spain, drink Port and slag off the EU. Another cretinous argument. aw thanx lol yes we do yr spot on but I don’t slag any country off you constantly slag the USA off to the point of won’t even visit there while trump was president lol so come on then tell us all where would we be without the USA then it’s like a fashion now kick America jump on the bangwagon we would be fucked without them and we all know it In what way would we be fucked? He probably means we’d speak German... The usual thing with brexiters. The usual glorification of ww2. It’s a bit like the ‘can you imagine how worse things would be if Corbyn was PM’. Science fiction politics. calm down get a grip man yr the person who’s just mentioned the war ffs you always fly of the handel sit down have a brew I recommend Yorkshire tea I was thinking more about security if the USA pulled out of nato and Europe I don’t think it be German we would be speaking fella it be Russian " I love Handel! My favourite composer. Do you seriously think the Russians are about to walk on Berlin and conquer Rome? | |||
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"Its called Sovereignty. Ok then you are ready to take the rest of the world on your own. So we can can spend the national defense on the American people . Thank you for your answer on why us 70 million deplorable idiots who cared about your well being and democracy can finally rest In peace. Since you can handle it on your own.you know aswell as everyone on here we and Europe would be fucked without the USA we depend on you for security to much we need to sort our own shit out before staining the USA all the idiots on here slagging you off all drink eat Mac Donald’s binge on Netflix waching American shows listen to yr music and sabe up to take there kids to Disneyland so take no notice sites full of haters Thanks and that is our point they can't see real world views .The blind hatred for 1 man has created a huge rift. The average patriot at this point just wants to say screw it all let's burn this shit down and we just don't mean the states. You wanted a view on why the way we are well you got it. You start seeding doubt on why the average service man or woman is doing you set a dangerous precedent." That's a really dangerous mind set, the lessons of the last civil war should not be forgotten.. I was also that average service man, I kept a healthy scepticism even when on active duty.. The average Joe has never fought unless it's defending the home patch for the guy or woman who sent them there, it's always been about your mucka (buddy) by your side.. I think it's healthy to take a view of the mistakes made in the past and all nations have made and will make them, when we ignore them or try and rewrite the history that's not good.. I marched against the war in 02 despite being ex military as I felt it was wrong on many fronts and we the west were about to make the same mistakes which led to the Balkans.. It has made the world a less stable place as did Libya.. | |||
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"People drink French wines, drive German cars, eat Italian pasta and pizzas, eat Spanish paella, holiday in Spain, drink Port and slag off the EU. Another cretinous argument. aw thanx lol yes we do yr spot on but I don’t slag any country off you constantly slag the USA off to the point of won’t even visit there while trump was president lol so come on then tell us all where would we be without the USA then it’s like a fashion now kick America jump on the bangwagon we would be fucked without them and we all know it In what way would we be fucked? He probably means we’d speak German... The usual thing with brexiters. The usual glorification of ww2. It’s a bit like the ‘can you imagine how worse things would be if Corbyn was PM’. Science fiction politics. calm down get a grip man yr the person who’s just mentioned the war ffs you always fly of the handel sit down have a brew I recommend Yorkshire tea I was thinking more about security if the USA pulled out of nato and Europe I don’t think it be German we would be speaking fella it be Russian You think Russia could invade and take over all of western Europe? I think Russia think they could and who do you think could stop them ?the U.K. ?the German defence army ? France ? Who " You know that the countries you’ve mentioned have all nuclear weapons apart from Germany don’t you? | |||
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"People drink French wines, drive German cars, eat Italian pasta and pizzas, eat Spanish paella, holiday in Spain, drink Port and slag off the EU. Another cretinous argument. aw thanx lol yes we do yr spot on but I don’t slag any country off you constantly slag the USA off to the point of won’t even visit there while trump was president lol so come on then tell us all where would we be without the USA then it’s like a fashion now kick America jump on the bangwagon we would be fucked without them and we all know it In what way would we be fucked? He probably means we’d speak German... The usual thing with brexiters. The usual glorification of ww2. It’s a bit like the ‘can you imagine how worse things would be if Corbyn was PM’. Science fiction politics. calm down get a grip man yr the person who’s just mentioned the war ffs you always fly of the handel sit down have a brew I recommend Yorkshire tea I was thinking more about security if the USA pulled out of nato and Europe I don’t think it be German we would be speaking fella it be Russian You think Russia could invade and take over all of western Europe? I think Russia think they could and who do you think could stop them ?the U.K. ?the German defence army ? France ? Who " And what are you basing this on? 1st of all?why would they want too? Second..I doubt that have the military resources to take on all of western Europe. And even if amwrica did get involved..it would only be in their own interests The idea of America as this altruistic saviour is nonsense. | |||
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"People drink French wines, drive German cars, eat Italian pasta and pizzas, eat Spanish paella, holiday in Spain, drink Port and slag off the EU. Another cretinous argument. aw thanx lol yes we do yr spot on but I don’t slag any country off you constantly slag the USA off to the point of won’t even visit there while trump was president lol so come on then tell us all where would we be without the USA then it’s like a fashion now kick America jump on the bangwagon we would be fucked without them and we all know it I’ve never waited for Trump to be president to have major doubts on the US. It’s not a country I’ve ever been keen on. Quite the opposite to be honest. There’s very little I admire about America apart from jazz music and the possibility to succeed in life if you work hard. Apart from that I’ve always thought it is a fairly racist country that uses God for its political objectives. It’s also a fairly intolerant nation that is self-centred with very little knowledge of what happens in other countries. As I said before, thanks for what they did 80 years ago but they had good reasons to intervene. They also took their time. Democracy wasn’t worth being defended in 1949, 1941, 1942 and 1943. I wonder why. " a racist country but in other posts you said you holiday all over Asia and you like to visit Eastern European country’s ? No racists there then lol | |||
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"People drink French wines, drive German cars, eat Italian pasta and pizzas, eat Spanish paella, holiday in Spain, drink Port and slag off the EU. Another cretinous argument. aw thanx lol yes we do yr spot on but I don’t slag any country off you constantly slag the USA off to the point of won’t even visit there while trump was president lol so come on then tell us all where would we be without the USA then it’s like a fashion now kick America jump on the bangwagon we would be fucked without them and we all know it I’ve never waited for Trump to be president to have major doubts on the US. It’s not a country I’ve ever been keen on. Quite the opposite to be honest. There’s very little I admire about America apart from jazz music and the possibility to succeed in life if you work hard. Apart from that I’ve always thought it is a fairly racist country that uses God for its political objectives. It’s also a fairly intolerant nation that is self-centred with very little knowledge of what happens in other countries. As I said before, thanks for what they did 80 years ago but they had good reasons to intervene. They also took their time. Democracy wasn’t worth being defended in 1949, 1941, 1942 and 1943. I wonder why. a racist country but in other posts you said you holiday all over Asia and you like to visit Eastern European country’s ? No racists there then lol" Don’t mix everything up. You’re not going to compare Trump and its stupidity with the Czech Republic or Japan, are you? Let’s get back on the main topic. This is way off the original point. | |||
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"I think America suffers like the U.K. with shit and corrupt leadership. We don’t have true democracy as we both claim. So the U.K. is just a good and bad as America. I think we don’t hate Americans at all. We hate the extremists we see both there and here. You’re average American has no real view of Europe as their media doesn’t show them Europe or the world in general it’s a very introverted attitude. We are more aware of others as we’re small and have hundreds of years or working in and amongst other nations and cultures . We maybe should have put more effort into the war of independence but we were more concerned with fighting France and Spain for the Caribbean sugar . Yes USA we weren’t that bothered over a bit of farm land so you didn’t actually face our full might in any way shape or form at the time but keep believing it was David and Goliath ! " Pretty much spot on.. At the time the civil war was simply an opportunity for commerce to provide goods to both sides, ditto when the States were selling to both in the Iran/Iraq war.. | |||
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"I think America suffers like the U.K. with shit and corrupt leadership. We don’t have true democracy as we both claim. So the U.K. is just a good and bad as America. I think we don’t hate Americans at all. We hate the extremists we see both there and here. You’re average American has no real view of Europe as their media doesn’t show them Europe or the world in general it’s a very introverted attitude. We are more aware of others as we’re small and have hundreds of years or working in and amongst other nations and cultures . We maybe should have put more effort into the war of independence but we were more concerned with fighting France and Spain for the Caribbean sugar . Yes USA we weren’t that bothered over a bit of farm land so you didn’t actually face our full might in any way shape or form at the time but keep believing it was David and Goliath ! " I dont think many people truly hates America.How can you hate a country which made the Simpsons? However there is a healthy skepticism over their disastrous post war foreign policy.Plus there is a real fear that post Brexit we will move closer towards an American style healthcare system. | |||
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"To all who use this board other than our RESIDENT PATRIOT . The affects of the Biden win & eating Cadburys Chocolate sent me into A spin of Victorious leftist Joy . "You do realise Biden is right wing don't you? | |||
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"Same here. I don’t despise America. I’m just not keen on a lot of its principles and values. I don’t look at the US as our greatest friend and the Russians as the evil on planet Earth. " So what values do you think we should have ? Let things all over go to hell or try and keep some of those instilled "Patriotic " values for the greater good. | |||
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"People drink French wines, drive German cars, eat Italian pasta and pizzas, eat Spanish paella, holiday in Spain, drink Port and slag off the EU. Another cretinous argument. aw thanx lol yes we do yr spot on but I don’t slag any country off you constantly slag the USA off to the point of won’t even visit there while trump was president lol so come on then tell us all where would we be without the USA then it’s like a fashion now kick America jump on the bangwagon we would be fucked without them and we all know it I’ve never waited for Trump to be president to have major doubts on the US. It’s not a country I’ve ever been keen on. Quite the opposite to be honest. There’s very little I admire about America apart from jazz music and the possibility to succeed in life if you work hard. Apart from that I’ve always thought it is a fairly racist country that uses God for its political objectives. It’s also a fairly intolerant nation that is self-centred with very little knowledge of what happens in other countries. As I said before, thanks for what they did 80 years ago but they had good reasons to intervene. They also took their time. Democracy wasn’t worth being defended in 1949, 1941, 1942 and 1943. I wonder why. a racist country but in other posts you said you holiday all over Asia and you like to visit Eastern European country’s ? No racists there then lol Don’t mix everything up. You’re not going to compare Trump and its stupidity with the Czech Republic or Japan, are you? Let’s get back on the main topic. This is way off the original point. " yes let’s get back on topic who mentioned the war brexiteers and Corbyn anyway lol | |||
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"I think America suffers like the U.K. with shit and corrupt leadership. We don’t have true democracy as we both claim. So the U.K. is just a good and bad as America. I think we don’t hate Americans at all. We hate the extremists we see both there and here. You’re average American has no real view of Europe as their media doesn’t show them Europe or the world in general it’s a very introverted attitude. We are more aware of others as we’re small and have hundreds of years or working in and amongst other nations and cultures . We maybe should have put more effort into the war of independence but we were more concerned with fighting France and Spain for the Caribbean sugar . Yes USA we weren’t that bothered over a bit of farm land so you didn’t actually face our full might in any way shape or form at the time but keep believing it was David and Goliath ! I dont think many people truly hates America.How can you hate a country which made the Simpsons? However there is a healthy skepticism over their disastrous post war foreign policy.Plus there is a real fear that post Brexit we will move closer towards an American style healthcare system. " Homer is my hero! | |||
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"Same here. I don’t despise America. I’m just not keen on a lot of its principles and values. I don’t look at the US as our greatest friend and the Russians as the evil on planet Earth. " that’s where we differ I do like at America as our greatest friend and Russia and China as possibly the worlds biggest headache | |||
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes." Defend democracy? Is that what Trump voters are doing now? By whining that only the votes they want counted, should be counted? Btw, our way of life will be fine, as long as people like you don't want to fuck it all up. We really don't need you to defend us from the Chinese - they just want to sell us more stuff than you do. To answer your question; we don't need you to defend us - especially from non-existent threats. In any case, Americans can't even defend themselves against other Americans; especially if the Americans shooting at them are police officers. | |||
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes. Defend democracy? Is that what Trump voters are doing now? By whining that only the votes they want counted, should be counted? Btw, our way of life will be fine, as long as people like you don't want to fuck it all up. We really don't need you to defend us from the Chinese - they just want to sell us more stuff than you do. To answer your question; we don't need you to defend us - especially from non-existent threats. In any case, Americans can't even defend themselves against other Americans; especially if the Americans shooting at them are police officers." We stated before that trump needs to go he has been dethroned and he will. | |||
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"Give us one solid answer on why us patriots shouldn't defend democracy and your way of life on a global scale. Since you know us deplorables are nasty people in your eyes. Defend democracy? Is that what Trump voters are doing now? By whining that only the votes they want counted, should be counted? Btw, our way of life will be fine, as long as people like you don't want to fuck it all up. We really don't need you to defend us from the Chinese - they just want to sell us more stuff than you do. To answer your question; we don't need you to defend us - especially from non-existent threats. In any case, Americans can't even defend themselves against other Americans; especially if the Americans shooting at them are police officers." And there ladies and gentlemen we have our answer. So sit back and enjoy the new era. Peace. | |||
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"Same here. I don’t despise America. I’m just not keen on a lot of its principles and values. I don’t look at the US as our greatest friend and the Russians as the evil on planet Earth. So what values do you think we should have ? Let things all over go to hell or try and keep some of those instilled "Patriotic " values for the greater good. " Are you patriotic like Tim McVeigh and the guys that were planning to abduct Gov Whitmer? | |||
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"Same here. I don’t despise America. I’m just not keen on a lot of its principles and values. I don’t look at the US as our greatest friend and the Russians as the evil on planet Earth. So what values do you think we should have ? Let things all over go to hell or try and keep some of those instilled "Patriotic " values for the greater good. Are you patriotic like Tim McVeigh and the guys that were planning to abduct Gov Whitmer?" No we are speaking from a average american standpoint. Who served and seen thing some people can't fathom. What is your " Dream " of our perfect understanding of world views. Stand down give up on pride and the sense patriotic duty or try and keep some and carry on for the greater good. Because it is extremely frustrating. 70 million want answers that no one can seem to provide atm. | |||
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"Same here. I don’t despise America. I’m just not keen on a lot of its principles and values. I don’t look at the US as our greatest friend and the Russians as the evil on planet Earth. So what values do you think we should have ? Let things all over go to hell or try and keep some of those instilled "Patriotic " values for the greater good. Are you patriotic like Tim McVeigh and the guys that were planning to abduct Gov Whitmer? No we are speaking from a average american standpoint. Who served and seen thing some people can't fathom. What is your " Dream " of our perfect understanding of world views. Stand down give up on pride and the sense patriotic duty or try and keep some and carry on for the greater good. Because it is extremely frustrating. 70 million want answers that no one can seem to provide atm." I would reckon the vast majority on both sides or no side are equally patriotic, that's always been my impression when over there on several occasions.. There is however a fine line between patriotism and nationalism.. And the answer wasn't in having someone like trump who a bit like Boris seems to flip either which way they can take advantage from.. The republican party has some introspection to do for 2024,if it stays with the trump mafiosos it could find itself out of office for another two terms after that.. | |||
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"Same here. I don’t despise America. I’m just not keen on a lot of its principles and values. I don’t look at the US as our greatest friend and the Russians as the evil on planet Earth. So what values do you think we should have ? Let things all over go to hell or try and keep some of those instilled "Patriotic " values for the greater good. Are you patriotic like Tim McVeigh and the guys that were planning to abduct Gov Whitmer? No we are speaking from a average american standpoint. Who served and seen thing some people can't fathom. What is your " Dream " of our perfect understanding of world views. Stand down give up on pride and the sense patriotic duty or try and keep some and carry on for the greater good. Because it is extremely frustrating. 70 million want answers that no one can seem to provide atm. I would reckon the vast majority on both sides or no side are equally patriotic, that's always been my impression when over there on several occasions.. There is however a fine line between patriotism and nationalism.. And the answer wasn't in having someone like trump who a bit like Boris seems to flip either which way they can take advantage from.. The republican party has some introspection to do for 2024,if it stays with the trump mafiosos it could find itself out of office for another two terms after that.." We agree he needs to go and quit whining and accept his fate. But there is this quagmire of self worth going on. See it everyday on veteran pages. It is truly saddening. | |||
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"Same here. I don’t despise America. I’m just not keen on a lot of its principles and values. I don’t look at the US as our greatest friend and the Russians as the evil on planet Earth. So what values do you think we should have ? Let things all over go to hell or try and keep some of those instilled "Patriotic " values for the greater good. Are you patriotic like Tim McVeigh and the guys that were planning to abduct Gov Whitmer? No we are speaking from a average american standpoint. Who served and seen thing some people can't fathom. What is your " Dream " of our perfect understanding of world views. Stand down give up on pride and the sense patriotic duty or try and keep some and carry on for the greater good. Because it is extremely frustrating. 70 million want answers that no one can seem to provide atm. I would reckon the vast majority on both sides or no side are equally patriotic, that's always been my impression when over there on several occasions.. There is however a fine line between patriotism and nationalism.. And the answer wasn't in having someone like trump who a bit like Boris seems to flip either which way they can take advantage from.. The republican party has some introspection to do for 2024,if it stays with the trump mafiosos it could find itself out of office for another two terms after that.. We agree he needs to go and quit whining and accept his fate. But there is this quagmire of self worth going on. See it everyday on veteran pages. It is truly saddening." No one owes any nation anything, people move on and soon forget positives etc.. And when the new kid on the block starts to move in people do tend to lose | |||
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"Same here. I don’t despise America. I’m just not keen on a lot of its principles and values. I don’t look at the US as our greatest friend and the Russians as the evil on planet Earth. So what values do you think we should have ? Let things all over go to hell or try and keep some of those instilled "Patriotic " values for the greater good. Are you patriotic like Tim McVeigh and the guys that were planning to abduct Gov Whitmer? No we are speaking from a average american standpoint. Who served and seen thing some people can't fathom. What is your " Dream " of our perfect understanding of world views. Stand down give up on pride and the sense patriotic duty or try and keep some and carry on for the greater good. Because it is extremely frustrating. 70 million want answers that no one can seem to provide atm. I would reckon the vast majority on both sides or no side are equally patriotic, that's always been my impression when over there on several occasions.. There is however a fine line between patriotism and nationalism.. And the answer wasn't in having someone like trump who a bit like Boris seems to flip either which way they can take advantage from.. The republican party has some introspection to do for 2024,if it stays with the trump mafiosos it could find itself out of office for another two terms after that.. We agree he needs to go and quit whining and accept his fate. But there is this quagmire of self worth going on. See it everyday on veteran pages. It is truly saddening. No one owes any nation anything, people move on and soon forget positives etc.. And when the new kid on the block starts to move in people do tend to lose" A sense of identity.. It's not uncommon in ex military, very similar over here with high numbers of substance misuse and dependacy etc.. Government tend to forget the sacrifices made.. | |||
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"Hersheys over Cadburys . Are you for Real ? Yes we are realists but it's ok have your trolling fun . You mock us for our way of life but you can't give a realistic answer if we should defend democracy. But all you have is chocolate . Hershey's btw . Yuengling chocolate porter is fantastic . But you're not 'defending democracy' you're defending your version of world order. Americans don't generally become involved in conflicts unless it benefits their own position, altruism doesn't feature. As a patriot shouldn't you be putting the interests of all your citizens first rather than just those you like? Exactly this!
We said multiple times Trump lost and we accept that fate. Citizens spoke. He will be removed. But you keep bashing us for our beliefs on protecting democracy on a global scale. Almost 800 billion in defense spending this year alone. To the UKs 53 billion. We think that money can be better spent on the citizens you accuse us of hating. So now what let's just global peace out the window ? You want us to think of america first but when we pull out of countries you cry foul.
Once again, you are not defending democracy. You are defending your market and your own interests.
And if you think that your views are getting lukewarm reactions here, try a French or German forum and you’ll read even more anti-America bullshit response. Britain is probably the mini America of Europe. The image of your country is far worse in countries like Germany and France. At least France had the balls to tell Bush to get lost and never went to Iraq..
Really how is the gulf our interests when we are energy independent? I am all for cutting back on carriers in the gulf protect international shipping. That money can be well spent on the American people don't you think ? We can let china and iran take those shipping lanes. It's appears that is what the general consensus that you want. So I agree pull back watch the world burn. All for it 100 %. We thought we helping but it appears we can't satisfy everyone now can we."Wow how simple life would be if saying something made it true! I’d Google that if I where you EIA.Gov Latest figures 2019 Also you may buy from Canada,Mexico etc. But those countries buy from the Middle East to fill their own needs. It’s a global market the only way you’d Truly cut out the Middle East is to use less but then climate change doesn’t exist does it according to Donny & one must assume a lot of Republicans. S | |||
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