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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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And and the old line "oh all policians lie the same amount" won't wash.
The Washington Post (a respected paper known for being factual) exhaustively documented 20,000 of Trump's lies and misleading statements back in July.
And Peter Oborne (former chief political commentator of The Daily Telegraph ie a prominent figure in the paper known as "the Torygraph") was so disgusted by Johnson's lies he collected and published a long list of them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?"
This is a good question. They don't care about lies. It's the same as with religion. There is many lies, but people still believe.
This is an ideology. The effects in the future are irrelevant. |
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The politics of the noughties has rendered me apathetic. Partly by lies partly by scandal. In this age it’s incredibly easy to fact check so I just wonder why people still fall for it.
I lean to other politics now not the mainstream. |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
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"The politics of the noughties has rendered me apathetic. Partly by lies partly by scandal. In this age it’s incredibly easy to fact check so I just wonder why people still fall for it.
I lean to other politics now not the mainstream. "
Curious to know such as?
I agree party because we’ve had mainstream since the second world war and it’s the same old same old. The average person in this country is crapped on by their own governments once the MPs realise how good it gets if you play the game.
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?"
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt"
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true |
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true "
How can it be true? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true "
This is where we've arrived at in 2020. People openly saying that being lied to is preferable to being told the truth.
Scary stuff. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
This is where we've arrived at in 2020. People openly saying that being lied to is preferable to being told the truth.
Scary stuff."
Who is telling the truth? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true "
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
This is where we've arrived at in 2020. People openly saying that being lied to is preferable to being told the truth.
Scary stuff.
Who is telling the truth? "
Let's look at what we know.
The Tories definitely aren't. Trump definitely isn't.
You would rather be lied to than told the truth.
It is scary to see how far society has slumped. We thought Trump and Brexit were the low water mark, and the peak victory for propaganda, and ignorance over information, fact and logic and reason.
But this demonstrates a new appetite for ignorance. Mind boggling that you not only don't seem to care, but that you're arguing with people who do. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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Brexit served a marker to show when we moved to being a post truth and post fact society.
Reality, facts and evidence take second place to emotions. The appeal of Johnson and Trump is an emotional one. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now? "
Crystal ball? No, hindsight |
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now?
Crystal ball? No, hindsight "
How can you have hindsight over something that hasn't happened? |
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"Brexit served a marker to show when we moved to being a post truth and post fact society.
Reality, facts and evidence take second place to emotions. The appeal of Johnson and Trump is an emotional one."
It's an age of populism where certain groups are stigmatized to take peoples attention away from industrial sized corruption and incompetence.
Divide and rule
Works a treat. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
This is where we've arrived at in 2020. People openly saying that being lied to is preferable to being told the truth.
Scary stuff.
Who is telling the truth?
Let's look at what we know.
The Tories definitely aren't. Trump definitely isn't.
You would rather be lied to than told the truth.
It is scary to see how far society has slumped. We thought Trump and Brexit were the low water mark, and the peak victory for propaganda, and ignorance over information, fact and logic and reason.
But this demonstrates a new appetite for ignorance. Mind boggling that you not only don't seem to care, but that you're arguing with people who do."
So 17.4 million people made a decision due to ignorance? Wow
Is anyone who has a different opinion to yourself ignorant/thick? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now?
Crystal ball? No, hindsight
How can you have hindsight over something that hasn't happened?"
Has there never been a previous Labour government? |
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now?
Crystal ball? No, hindsight
How can you have hindsight over something that hasn't happened?
Has there never been a previous Labour government? "
There hasn't been a labour gmnt ran by starmer or corbyn so your argument is completely flawed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
This is where we've arrived at in 2020. People openly saying that being lied to is preferable to being told the truth.
Scary stuff.
Who is telling the truth?
Let's look at what we know.
The Tories definitely aren't. Trump definitely isn't.
You would rather be lied to than told the truth.
It is scary to see how far society has slumped. We thought Trump and Brexit were the low water mark, and the peak victory for propaganda, and ignorance over information, fact and logic and reason.
But this demonstrates a new appetite for ignorance. Mind boggling that you not only don't seem to care, but that you're arguing with people who do.
So 17.4 million people made a decision due to ignorance? Wow
Is anyone who has a different opinion to yourself ignorant/thick? "
I don't know why each and every leaver voted they way they did. But generally absolutely yes people voted out of ignorance. We knew Brexit would go the way it's going, and people voted for it anyway.
And the rest of this is your words, not mine.
Personally I don't label people as thick or ignorant. And so far the only person with a different opinion to me on this thread is you. With your opinion that it's better to be told lies than the truth. Which is a fairly extreme opinion, and even then I've no interest in insulting you.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?"
Most people will pass judgement on what people deliver and their success . For all we know, the lies people keep referring to may be simply mistakes.
To put in in context if someone has told the truth a million times and delivered election success , the percentage of the so called lies ( if any)becomes irrelevant .
What matters is success and delivering a better life for voters. I think that the electorate has already confirmed that.
The voice of the white middle class elite who are fully paid up members woke brigade has already being judged by the electorate . |
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"Show me a politician who doesn't lie Corbyn has been suspended for it that.
Try doing some reading.
I did, he was, facts are facts.
What lie did he tell?"
Really??????????????????????????
Pointless interacting with you if you are so blinkered you best go interact with someone else fella.  |
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"Show me a politician who doesn't lie Corbyn has been suspended for it that.
Try doing some reading.
I did, he was, facts are facts.
What lie did he tell?
Really??????????????????????????
Pointless interacting with you if you are so blinkered you best go interact with someone else fella. "
My work here is done. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies? Most people will pass judgement on what people deliver and their success . For all we know, the lies people keep referring to may be simply mistakes.
To put in in context if someone has told the truth a million times and delivered election success , the percentage of the so called lies ( if any)becomes irrelevant .
What matters is success and delivering a better life for voters. I think that the electorate has already confirmed that.
The voice of the white middle class elite who are fully paid up members woke brigade has already being judged by the electorate . "
So you're saying that we should judge trump and the Tories on the epic failures and self servicing regimes instead of their lies and bullshit?
Why are non-racist people ("woke brigade") a negative for you, and what's this got to do with your point about the Tories being an abject failure in government? |
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies? Most people will pass judgement on what people deliver and their success . For all we know, the lies people keep referring to may be simply mistakes.
To put in in context if someone has told the truth a million times and delivered election success , the percentage of the so called lies ( if any)becomes irrelevant .
What matters is success and delivering a better life for voters. I think that the electorate has already confirmed that.
The voice of the white middle class elite who are fully paid up members woke brigade has already being judged by the electorate .
So you're saying that we should judge trump and the Tories on the epic failures and self servicing regimes instead of their lies and bullshit?
Why are non-racist people ("woke brigade") a negative for you, and what's this got to do with your point about the Tories being an abject failure in government?"
You should know its hardly worth conversing with anyone who uses the term 'woke' |
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"Show me a politician who doesn't lie Corbyn has been suspended for it that.
They are all at it non of them will answer a straight question too.  "
What do you expect we have onside who pander to big business and the other who are lackeys for the power mongers leading the unions. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
This is where we've arrived at in 2020. People openly saying that being lied to is preferable to being told the truth.
Scary stuff.
Who is telling the truth?
Let's look at what we know.
The Tories definitely aren't. Trump definitely isn't.
You would rather be lied to than told the truth.
It is scary to see how far society has slumped. We thought Trump and Brexit were the low water mark, and the peak victory for propaganda, and ignorance over information, fact and logic and reason.
But this demonstrates a new appetite for ignorance. Mind boggling that you not only don't seem to care, but that you're arguing with people who do.
So 17.4 million people made a decision due to ignorance? Wow
Is anyone who has a different opinion to yourself ignorant/thick?
I don't know why each and every leaver voted they way they did. But generally absolutely yes people voted out of ignorance. We knew Brexit would go the way it's going, and people voted for it anyway.
And the rest of this is your words, not mine.
Personally I don't label people as thick or ignorant. And so far the only person with a different opinion to me on this thread is you. With your opinion that it's better to be told lies than the truth. Which is a fairly extreme opinion, and even then I've no interest in insulting you.
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I have never said it's better being told lies than the truth, I simply asked who is telling the truth? And did I say I voted for Brexit? You could just as easily say that people voted to remain because of lies, fear and ignorance couldn't you? |
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies? Most people will pass judgement on what people deliver and their success . For all we know, the lies people keep referring to may be simply mistakes.
To put in in context if someone has told the truth a million times and delivered election success , the percentage of the so called lies ( if any)becomes irrelevant .
What matters is success and delivering a better life for voters. I think that the electorate has already confirmed that.
The voice of the white middle class elite who are fully paid up members woke brigade has already being judged by the electorate .
So you're saying that we should judge trump and the Tories on the epic failures and self servicing regimes instead of their lies and bullshit?
Why are non-racist people ("woke brigade") a negative for you, and what's this got to do with your point about the Tories being an abject failure in government?
You should know its hardly worth conversing with anyone who uses the term 'woke'"
People who use "woke", "virtual signalling" and "snowflake" to describe people who aren't racist, are fascinating. Like driving past a car crash, can't help be crane my neck.
But you're right, I know I shouldn't. |
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
This is where we've arrived at in 2020. People openly saying that being lied to is preferable to being told the truth.
Scary stuff.
Who is telling the truth?
Let's look at what we know.
The Tories definitely aren't. Trump definitely isn't.
You would rather be lied to than told the truth.
It is scary to see how far society has slumped. We thought Trump and Brexit were the low water mark, and the peak victory for propaganda, and ignorance over information, fact and logic and reason.
But this demonstrates a new appetite for ignorance. Mind boggling that you not only don't seem to care, but that you're arguing with people who do.
So 17.4 million people made a decision due to ignorance? Wow
Is anyone who has a different opinion to yourself ignorant/thick?
I don't know why each and every leaver voted they way they did. But generally absolutely yes people voted out of ignorance. We knew Brexit would go the way it's going, and people voted for it anyway.
And the rest of this is your words, not mine.
Personally I don't label people as thick or ignorant. And so far the only person with a different opinion to me on this thread is you. With your opinion that it's better to be told lies than the truth. Which is a fairly extreme opinion, and even then I've no interest in insulting you.
I have never said it's better being told lies than the truth, I simply asked who is telling the truth? And did I say I voted for Brexit? You could just as easily say that people voted to remain because of lies, fear and ignorance couldn't you? "
No because the remain campaign wasnt built on a catalogue of lies. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
This is where we've arrived at in 2020. People openly saying that being lied to is preferable to being told the truth.
Scary stuff.
Who is telling the truth?
Let's look at what we know.
The Tories definitely aren't. Trump definitely isn't.
You would rather be lied to than told the truth.
It is scary to see how far society has slumped. We thought Trump and Brexit were the low water mark, and the peak victory for propaganda, and ignorance over information, fact and logic and reason.
But this demonstrates a new appetite for ignorance. Mind boggling that you not only don't seem to care, but that you're arguing with people who do.
So 17.4 million people made a decision due to ignorance? Wow
Is anyone who has a different opinion to yourself ignorant/thick?
I don't know why each and every leaver voted they way they did. But generally absolutely yes people voted out of ignorance. We knew Brexit would go the way it's going, and people voted for it anyway.
And the rest of this is your words, not mine.
Personally I don't label people as thick or ignorant. And so far the only person with a different opinion to me on this thread is you. With your opinion that it's better to be told lies than the truth. Which is a fairly extreme opinion, and even then I've no interest in insulting you.
I have never said it's better being told lies than the truth, I simply asked who is telling the truth? And did I say I voted for Brexit? You could just as easily say that people voted to remain because of lies, fear and ignorance couldn't you? "
Okay you said "they support them (liars) because the alternative (non liars) are worse".
I assumed "they" included you, in this instance, or why else would you be making this point. Apologies if not.
And that's just ridiculous. Remainders voted to stay in the EU. Which we knew what that meant, and not for the cluster fuck of leaving. Where is the lie there? We don't need to go over all the leaver lies. It's been done to death. |
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now?
Crystal ball? No, hindsight
How can you have hindsight over something that hasn't happened?
Has there never been a previous Labour government?
There hasn't been a labour gmnt ran by starmer or corbyn so your argument is completely flawed."
No there hasn't but they are 10 times worse than the people who led a Labour government in the past, so not that flawed |
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now?
Crystal ball? No, hindsight
How can you have hindsight over something that hasn't happened?
Has there never been a previous Labour government?
There hasn't been a labour gmnt ran by starmer or corbyn so your argument is completely flawed.
No there hasn't but they are 10 times worse than the people who led a Labour government in the past, so not that flawed"
Ill repeat
How do you know that?
You dont.
It's your opinion. |
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now?
Crystal ball? No, hindsight
How can you have hindsight over something that hasn't happened?
Has there never been a previous Labour government?
There hasn't been a labour gmnt ran by starmer or corbyn so your argument is completely flawed.
No there hasn't but they are 10 times worse than the people who led a Labour government in the past, so not that flawed
Ill repeat
How do you know that?
You dont.
It's your opinion."
Mine and the majority of the electorate, |
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
This is where we've arrived at in 2020. People openly saying that being lied to is preferable to being told the truth.
Scary stuff.
Who is telling the truth?
Let's look at what we know.
The Tories definitely aren't. Trump definitely isn't.
You would rather be lied to than told the truth.
It is scary to see how far society has slumped. We thought Trump and Brexit were the low water mark, and the peak victory for propaganda, and ignorance over information, fact and logic and reason.
But this demonstrates a new appetite for ignorance. Mind boggling that you not only don't seem to care, but that you're arguing with people who do.
So 17.4 million people made a decision due to ignorance? Wow
Is anyone who has a different opinion to yourself ignorant/thick?
I don't know why each and every leaver voted they way they did. But generally absolutely yes people voted out of ignorance. We knew Brexit would go the way it's going, and people voted for it anyway.
And the rest of this is your words, not mine.
Personally I don't label people as thick or ignorant. And so far the only person with a different opinion to me on this thread is you. With your opinion that it's better to be told lies than the truth. Which is a fairly extreme opinion, and even then I've no interest in insulting you.
I have never said it's better being told lies than the truth, I simply asked who is telling the truth? And did I say I voted for Brexit? You could just as easily say that people voted to remain because of lies, fear and ignorance couldn't you?
Okay you said "they support them (liars) because the alternative (non liars) are worse".
I assumed "they" included you, in this instance, or why else would you be making this point. Apologies if not.
And that's just ridiculous. Remainders voted to stay in the EU. Which we knew what that meant, and not for the cluster fuck of leaving. Where is the lie there? We don't need to go over all the leaver lies. It's been done to death."
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
This is where we've arrived at in 2020. People openly saying that being lied to is preferable to being told the truth.
Scary stuff.
Who is telling the truth?
Let's look at what we know.
The Tories definitely aren't. Trump definitely isn't.
You would rather be lied to than told the truth.
It is scary to see how far society has slumped. We thought Trump and Brexit were the low water mark, and the peak victory for propaganda, and ignorance over information, fact and logic and reason.
But this demonstrates a new appetite for ignorance. Mind boggling that you not only don't seem to care, but that you're arguing with people who do.
So 17.4 million people made a decision due to ignorance? Wow
Is anyone who has a different opinion to yourself ignorant/thick?
I don't know why each and every leaver voted they way they did. But generally absolutely yes people voted out of ignorance. We knew Brexit would go the way it's going, and people voted for it anyway.
And the rest of this is your words, not mine.
Personally I don't label people as thick or ignorant. And so far the only person with a different opinion to me on this thread is you. With your opinion that it's better to be told lies than the truth. Which is a fairly extreme opinion, and even then I've no interest in insulting you.
I have never said it's better being told lies than the truth, I simply asked who is telling the truth? And did I say I voted for Brexit? You could just as easily say that people voted to remain because of lies, fear and ignorance couldn't you?
Okay you said "they support them (liars) because the alternative (non liars) are worse".
I assumed "they" included you, in this instance, or why else would you be making this point. Apologies if not.
And that's just ridiculous. Remainders voted to stay in the EU. Which we knew what that meant, and not for the cluster fuck of leaving. Where is the lie there? We don't need to go over all the leaver lies. It's been done to death.
What did remaining in the EU mean? "
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
This is where we've arrived at in 2020. People openly saying that being lied to is preferable to being told the truth.
Scary stuff.
Who is telling the truth?
Let's look at what we know.
The Tories definitely aren't. Trump definitely isn't.
You would rather be lied to than told the truth.
It is scary to see how far society has slumped. We thought Trump and Brexit were the low water mark, and the peak victory for propaganda, and ignorance over information, fact and logic and reason.
But this demonstrates a new appetite for ignorance. Mind boggling that you not only don't seem to care, but that you're arguing with people who do.
So 17.4 million people made a decision due to ignorance? Wow
Is anyone who has a different opinion to yourself ignorant/thick?
I don't know why each and every leaver voted they way they did. But generally absolutely yes people voted out of ignorance. We knew Brexit would go the way it's going, and people voted for it anyway.
And the rest of this is your words, not mine.
Personally I don't label people as thick or ignorant. And so far the only person with a different opinion to me on this thread is you. With your opinion that it's better to be told lies than the truth. Which is a fairly extreme opinion, and even then I've no interest in insulting you.
I have never said it's better being told lies than the truth, I simply asked who is telling the truth? And did I say I voted for Brexit? You could just as easily say that people voted to remain because of lies, fear and ignorance couldn't you?
Okay you said "they support them (liars) because the alternative (non liars) are worse".
I assumed "they" included you, in this instance, or why else would you be making this point. Apologies if not.
And that's just ridiculous. Remainders voted to stay in the EU. Which we knew what that meant, and not for the cluster fuck of leaving. Where is the lie there? We don't need to go over all the leaver lies. It's been done to death.
What did remaining in the EU mean? "
Membership in a community of stability, democracy, security and prosperity;
Stimulus to GDP growth, more jobs, higher wages and pensions;
Growing internal market and domestic demand;
Free movement of labour, goods, services and capital;
Free access to 450 million consumers
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now?
Crystal ball? No, hindsight
How can you have hindsight over something that hasn't happened?
Has there never been a previous Labour government?
There hasn't been a labour gmnt ran by starmer or corbyn so your argument is completely flawed.
No there hasn't but they are 10 times worse than the people who led a Labour government in the past, so not that flawed
Ill repeat
How do you know that?
You dont.
It's your opinion.
Mine and the majority of the electorate,"
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now?
Crystal ball? No, hindsight
How can you have hindsight over something that hasn't happened?
Has there never been a previous Labour government?
There hasn't been a labour gmnt ran by starmer or corbyn so your argument is completely flawed.
No there hasn't but they are 10 times worse than the people who led a Labour government in the past, so not that flawed
Ill repeat
How do you know that?
You dont.
It's your opinion.
Mine and the majority of the electorate,"
So your general point is:
Most people prefer it be lied to. Most people voted for the Tories.
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
This is where we've arrived at in 2020. People openly saying that being lied to is preferable to being told the truth.
Scary stuff.
Who is telling the truth?
Let's look at what we know.
The Tories definitely aren't. Trump definitely isn't.
You would rather be lied to than told the truth.
It is scary to see how far society has slumped. We thought Trump and Brexit were the low water mark, and the peak victory for propaganda, and ignorance over information, fact and logic and reason.
But this demonstrates a new appetite for ignorance. Mind boggling that you not only don't seem to care, but that you're arguing with people who do.
So 17.4 million people made a decision due to ignorance? Wow
Is anyone who has a different opinion to yourself ignorant/thick?
I don't know why each and every leaver voted they way they did. But generally absolutely yes people voted out of ignorance. We knew Brexit would go the way it's going, and people voted for it anyway.
And the rest of this is your words, not mine.
Personally I don't label people as thick or ignorant. And so far the only person with a different opinion to me on this thread is you. With your opinion that it's better to be told lies than the truth. Which is a fairly extreme opinion, and even then I've no interest in insulting you.
I have never said it's better being told lies than the truth, I simply asked who is telling the truth? And did I say I voted for Brexit? You could just as easily say that people voted to remain because of lies, fear and ignorance couldn't you?
Okay you said "they support them (liars) because the alternative (non liars) are worse".
I assumed "they" included you, in this instance, or why else would you be making this point. Apologies if not.
And that's just ridiculous. Remainders voted to stay in the EU. Which we knew what that meant, and not for the cluster fuck of leaving. Where is the lie there? We don't need to go over all the leaver lies. It's been done to death.
What did remaining in the EU mean?
Membership in a community of stability, democracy, security and prosperity;
Stimulus to GDP growth, more jobs, higher wages and pensions;
Growing internal market and domestic demand;
Free movement of labour, goods, services and capital;
Free access to 450 million consumers
What did leaving the EU mean ? "
Stability, democracy, security and prosperity? hilarious.
What did leaving mean? An improvement on all of the above |
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?"
You make it sound as though it is like supporting a football team.Now grow up please
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over a year ago
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now?
Crystal ball? No, hindsight
How can you have hindsight over something that hasn't happened?
Has there never been a previous Labour government?
There hasn't been a labour gmnt ran by starmer or corbyn so your argument is completely flawed.
No there hasn't but they are 10 times worse than the people who led a Labour government in the past, so not that flawed
Ill repeat
How do you know that?
You dont.
It's your opinion.
Mine and the majority of the electorate,
And hows that working out for you so far?"
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
This is where we've arrived at in 2020. People openly saying that being lied to is preferable to being told the truth.
Scary stuff.
Who is telling the truth?
Let's look at what we know.
The Tories definitely aren't. Trump definitely isn't.
You would rather be lied to than told the truth.
It is scary to see how far society has slumped. We thought Trump and Brexit were the low water mark, and the peak victory for propaganda, and ignorance over information, fact and logic and reason.
But this demonstrates a new appetite for ignorance. Mind boggling that you not only don't seem to care, but that you're arguing with people who do.
So 17.4 million people made a decision due to ignorance? Wow
Is anyone who has a different opinion to yourself ignorant/thick?
I don't know why each and every leaver voted they way they did. But generally absolutely yes people voted out of ignorance. We knew Brexit would go the way it's going, and people voted for it anyway.
And the rest of this is your words, not mine.
Personally I don't label people as thick or ignorant. And so far the only person with a different opinion to me on this thread is you. With your opinion that it's better to be told lies than the truth. Which is a fairly extreme opinion, and even then I've no interest in insulting you.
I have never said it's better being told lies than the truth, I simply asked who is telling the truth? And did I say I voted for Brexit? You could just as easily say that people voted to remain because of lies, fear and ignorance couldn't you?
Okay you said "they support them (liars) because the alternative (non liars) are worse".
I assumed "they" included you, in this instance, or why else would you be making this point. Apologies if not.
And that's just ridiculous. Remainders voted to stay in the EU. Which we knew what that meant, and not for the cluster fuck of leaving. Where is the lie there? We don't need to go over all the leaver lies. It's been done to death.
What did remaining in the EU mean?
Membership in a community of stability, democracy, security and prosperity;
Stimulus to GDP growth, more jobs, higher wages and pensions;
Growing internal market and domestic demand;
Free movement of labour, goods, services and capital;
Free access to 450 million consumers
What did leaving the EU mean ?
Stability, democracy, security and prosperity? hilarious.
What did leaving mean? An improvement on all of the above "
Did it? So when will we start to see this? Are you a supporter of leaving the EU without a deal? |
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
This is where we've arrived at in 2020. People openly saying that being lied to is preferable to being told the truth.
Scary stuff.
Who is telling the truth?
Let's look at what we know.
The Tories definitely aren't. Trump definitely isn't.
You would rather be lied to than told the truth.
It is scary to see how far society has slumped. We thought Trump and Brexit were the low water mark, and the peak victory for propaganda, and ignorance over information, fact and logic and reason.
But this demonstrates a new appetite for ignorance. Mind boggling that you not only don't seem to care, but that you're arguing with people who do.
So 17.4 million people made a decision due to ignorance? Wow
Is anyone who has a different opinion to yourself ignorant/thick?
I don't know why each and every leaver voted they way they did. But generally absolutely yes people voted out of ignorance. We knew Brexit would go the way it's going, and people voted for it anyway.
And the rest of this is your words, not mine.
Personally I don't label people as thick or ignorant. And so far the only person with a different opinion to me on this thread is you. With your opinion that it's better to be told lies than the truth. Which is a fairly extreme opinion, and even then I've no interest in insulting you.
I have never said it's better being told lies than the truth, I simply asked who is telling the truth? And did I say I voted for Brexit? You could just as easily say that people voted to remain because of lies, fear and ignorance couldn't you?
Okay you said "they support them (liars) because the alternative (non liars) are worse".
I assumed "they" included you, in this instance, or why else would you be making this point. Apologies if not.
And that's just ridiculous. Remainders voted to stay in the EU. Which we knew what that meant, and not for the cluster fuck of leaving. Where is the lie there? We don't need to go over all the leaver lies. It's been done to death.
What did remaining in the EU mean?
Membership in a community of stability, democracy, security and prosperity;
Stimulus to GDP growth, more jobs, higher wages and pensions;
Growing internal market and domestic demand;
Free movement of labour, goods, services and capital;
Free access to 450 million consumers
What did leaving the EU mean ?
Stability, democracy, security and prosperity? hilarious.
What did leaving mean? An improvement on all of the above "
. Last time I checked,indications were that by leaving we will be better up by up to £800 per annum. This is a not an insignificant saving , especially to the poorer members of society . |
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
This is where we've arrived at in 2020. People openly saying that being lied to is preferable to being told the truth.
Scary stuff.
Who is telling the truth?
Let's look at what we know.
The Tories definitely aren't. Trump definitely isn't.
You would rather be lied to than told the truth.
It is scary to see how far society has slumped. We thought Trump and Brexit were the low water mark, and the peak victory for propaganda, and ignorance over information, fact and logic and reason.
But this demonstrates a new appetite for ignorance. Mind boggling that you not only don't seem to care, but that you're arguing with people who do.
So 17.4 million people made a decision due to ignorance? Wow
Is anyone who has a different opinion to yourself ignorant/thick?
I don't know why each and every leaver voted they way they did. But generally absolutely yes people voted out of ignorance. We knew Brexit would go the way it's going, and people voted for it anyway.
And the rest of this is your words, not mine.
Personally I don't label people as thick or ignorant. And so far the only person with a different opinion to me on this thread is you. With your opinion that it's better to be told lies than the truth. Which is a fairly extreme opinion, and even then I've no interest in insulting you.
I have never said it's better being told lies than the truth, I simply asked who is telling the truth? And did I say I voted for Brexit? You could just as easily say that people voted to remain because of lies, fear and ignorance couldn't you?
Okay you said "they support them (liars) because the alternative (non liars) are worse".
I assumed "they" included you, in this instance, or why else would you be making this point. Apologies if not.
And that's just ridiculous. Remainders voted to stay in the EU. Which we knew what that meant, and not for the cluster fuck of leaving. Where is the lie there? We don't need to go over all the leaver lies. It's been done to death.
What did remaining in the EU mean?
Membership in a community of stability, democracy, security and prosperity;
Stimulus to GDP growth, more jobs, higher wages and pensions;
Growing internal market and domestic demand;
Free movement of labour, goods, services and capital;
Free access to 450 million consumers
What did leaving the EU mean ?
Stability, democracy, security and prosperity? hilarious.
What did leaving mean? An improvement on all of the above "
You're literally arguing that reality isn't real.
Amazing.
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
This is where we've arrived at in 2020. People openly saying that being lied to is preferable to being told the truth.
Scary stuff.
Who is telling the truth?
Let's look at what we know.
The Tories definitely aren't. Trump definitely isn't.
You would rather be lied to than told the truth.
It is scary to see how far society has slumped. We thought Trump and Brexit were the low water mark, and the peak victory for propaganda, and ignorance over information, fact and logic and reason.
But this demonstrates a new appetite for ignorance. Mind boggling that you not only don't seem to care, but that you're arguing with people who do.
So 17.4 million people made a decision due to ignorance? Wow
Is anyone who has a different opinion to yourself ignorant/thick?
I don't know why each and every leaver voted they way they did. But generally absolutely yes people voted out of ignorance. We knew Brexit would go the way it's going, and people voted for it anyway.
And the rest of this is your words, not mine.
Personally I don't label people as thick or ignorant. And so far the only person with a different opinion to me on this thread is you. With your opinion that it's better to be told lies than the truth. Which is a fairly extreme opinion, and even then I've no interest in insulting you.
I have never said it's better being told lies than the truth, I simply asked who is telling the truth? And did I say I voted for Brexit? You could just as easily say that people voted to remain because of lies, fear and ignorance couldn't you?
Okay you said "they support them (liars) because the alternative (non liars) are worse".
I assumed "they" included you, in this instance, or why else would you be making this point. Apologies if not.
And that's just ridiculous. Remainders voted to stay in the EU. Which we knew what that meant, and not for the cluster fuck of leaving. Where is the lie there? We don't need to go over all the leaver lies. It's been done to death.
What did remaining in the EU mean?
Membership in a community of stability, democracy, security and prosperity;
Stimulus to GDP growth, more jobs, higher wages and pensions;
Growing internal market and domestic demand;
Free movement of labour, goods, services and capital;
Free access to 450 million consumers
What did leaving the EU mean ?
Stability, democracy, security and prosperity? hilarious.
What did leaving mean? An improvement on all of the above . Last time I checked,indications were that by leaving we will be better up by up to £800 per annum. This is a not an insignificant saving , especially to the poorer members of society . "
Wow, that sounds amazing, where did you source that information from? How much has it cost to leave the EU. Would you prefer to leave without a deal or with a version of The Boris oven ready deal? |
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
This is where we've arrived at in 2020. People openly saying that being lied to is preferable to being told the truth.
Scary stuff.
Who is telling the truth?
Let's look at what we know.
The Tories definitely aren't. Trump definitely isn't.
You would rather be lied to than told the truth.
It is scary to see how far society has slumped. We thought Trump and Brexit were the low water mark, and the peak victory for propaganda, and ignorance over information, fact and logic and reason.
But this demonstrates a new appetite for ignorance. Mind boggling that you not only don't seem to care, but that you're arguing with people who do.
So 17.4 million people made a decision due to ignorance? Wow
Is anyone who has a different opinion to yourself ignorant/thick?
I don't know why each and every leaver voted they way they did. But generally absolutely yes people voted out of ignorance. We knew Brexit would go the way it's going, and people voted for it anyway.
And the rest of this is your words, not mine.
Personally I don't label people as thick or ignorant. And so far the only person with a different opinion to me on this thread is you. With your opinion that it's better to be told lies than the truth. Which is a fairly extreme opinion, and even then I've no interest in insulting you.
I have never said it's better being told lies than the truth, I simply asked who is telling the truth? And did I say I voted for Brexit? You could just as easily say that people voted to remain because of lies, fear and ignorance couldn't you?
Okay you said "they support them (liars) because the alternative (non liars) are worse".
I assumed "they" included you, in this instance, or why else would you be making this point. Apologies if not.
And that's just ridiculous. Remainders voted to stay in the EU. Which we knew what that meant, and not for the cluster fuck of leaving. Where is the lie there? We don't need to go over all the leaver lies. It's been done to death.
What did remaining in the EU mean?
Membership in a community of stability, democracy, security and prosperity;
Stimulus to GDP growth, more jobs, higher wages and pensions;
Growing internal market and domestic demand;
Free movement of labour, goods, services and capital;
Free access to 450 million consumers
What did leaving the EU mean ?
Stability, democracy, security and prosperity? hilarious.
What did leaving mean? An improvement on all of the above . Last time I checked,indications were that by leaving we will be better up by up to £800 per annum. This is a not an insignificant saving , especially to the poorer members of society . "
Where did you read this? On some comedy toilet roll?
Brexit cost the economy over £200 billion this year. |
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now?
Crystal ball? No, hindsight
How can you have hindsight over something that hasn't happened?
Has there never been a previous Labour government?
There hasn't been a labour gmnt ran by starmer or corbyn so your argument is completely flawed.
No there hasn't but they are 10 times worse than the people who led a Labour government in the past, so not that flawed
Ill repeat
How do you know that?
You dont.
It's your opinion.
Mine and the majority of the electorate,
And hows that working out for you so far?
Well given we only had 3 months before covid struck, hard to say, wouldn't you agree? "
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
This is where we've arrived at in 2020. People openly saying that being lied to is preferable to being told the truth.
Scary stuff.
Who is telling the truth?
Let's look at what we know.
The Tories definitely aren't. Trump definitely isn't.
You would rather be lied to than told the truth.
It is scary to see how far society has slumped. We thought Trump and Brexit were the low water mark, and the peak victory for propaganda, and ignorance over information, fact and logic and reason.
But this demonstrates a new appetite for ignorance. Mind boggling that you not only don't seem to care, but that you're arguing with people who do.
So 17.4 million people made a decision due to ignorance? Wow
Is anyone who has a different opinion to yourself ignorant/thick?
I don't know why each and every leaver voted they way they did. But generally absolutely yes people voted out of ignorance. We knew Brexit would go the way it's going, and people voted for it anyway.
And the rest of this is your words, not mine.
Personally I don't label people as thick or ignorant. And so far the only person with a different opinion to me on this thread is you. With your opinion that it's better to be told lies than the truth. Which is a fairly extreme opinion, and even then I've no interest in insulting you.
I have never said it's better being told lies than the truth, I simply asked who is telling the truth? And did I say I voted for Brexit? You could just as easily say that people voted to remain because of lies, fear and ignorance couldn't you?
Okay you said "they support them (liars) because the alternative (non liars) are worse".
I assumed "they" included you, in this instance, or why else would you be making this point. Apologies if not.
And that's just ridiculous. Remainders voted to stay in the EU. Which we knew what that meant, and not for the cluster fuck of leaving. Where is the lie there? We don't need to go over all the leaver lies. It's been done to death.
What did remaining in the EU mean?
Membership in a community of stability, democracy, security and prosperity;
Stimulus to GDP growth, more jobs, higher wages and pensions;
Growing internal market and domestic demand;
Free movement of labour, goods, services and capital;
Free access to 450 million consumers
What did leaving the EU mean ?
Stability, democracy, security and prosperity? hilarious.
What did leaving mean? An improvement on all of the above . Last time I checked,indications were that by leaving we will be better up by up to £800 per annum. This is a not an insignificant saving , especially to the poorer members of society . "
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now?
Crystal ball? No, hindsight
How can you have hindsight over something that hasn't happened?
Has there never been a previous Labour government?
There hasn't been a labour gmnt ran by starmer or corbyn so your argument is completely flawed.
No there hasn't but they are 10 times worse than the people who led a Labour government in the past, so not that flawed
Ill repeat
How do you know that?
You dont.
It's your opinion.
Mine and the majority of the electorate,
And hows that working out for you so far?
Well given we only had 3 months before covid struck, hard to say, wouldn't you agree? "
Not really considering covid has been handled by immense levels of ineptitude and corruption and brexit Is heading to be a total clusterfuck
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now?
Crystal ball? No, hindsight
How can you have hindsight over something that hasn't happened?
Has there never been a previous Labour government?
There hasn't been a labour gmnt ran by starmer or corbyn so your argument is completely flawed.
No there hasn't but they are 10 times worse than the people who led a Labour government in the past, so not that flawed
Ill repeat
How do you know that?
You dont.
It's your opinion.
Mine and the majority of the electorate,
And hows that working out for you so far?
Well given we only had 3 months before covid struck, hard to say, wouldn't you agree?
Haven't the Tories been in power for 11 years?
And why aren't we allowed to consider the lies and failures of the government since March?"
OK, over the last 11 years apart from the government supporting remaining in the EU things have been fine. And since March who can say what the government got right or wrong with regards to covid? Death rates seem comparable across Europe even with different levels of lockdown but this government has given one of the highest levels of financial support in the world through its furlough scheme, though I'm sure you will knock that too |
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now?
Crystal ball? No, hindsight
How can you have hindsight over something that hasn't happened?
Has there never been a previous Labour government?
There hasn't been a labour gmnt ran by starmer or corbyn so your argument is completely flawed.
No there hasn't but they are 10 times worse than the people who led a Labour government in the past, so not that flawed
Ill repeat
How do you know that?
You dont.
It's your opinion.
Mine and the majority of the electorate,
And hows that working out for you so far?
Well given we only had 3 months before covid struck, hard to say, wouldn't you agree?
Haven't the Tories been in power for 11 years?
And why aren't we allowed to consider the lies and failures of the government since March?
OK, over the last 11 years apart from the government supporting remaining in the EU things have been fine. And since March who can say what the government got right or wrong with regards to covid? Death rates seem comparable across Europe even with different levels of lockdown but this government has given one of the highest levels of financial support in the world through its furlough scheme, though I'm sure you will knock that too "
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now?
Crystal ball? No, hindsight
How can you have hindsight over something that hasn't happened?
Has there never been a previous Labour government?
There hasn't been a labour gmnt ran by starmer or corbyn so your argument is completely flawed.
No there hasn't but they are 10 times worse than the people who led a Labour government in the past, so not that flawed
Ill repeat
How do you know that?
You dont.
It's your opinion.
Mine and the majority of the electorate,
And hows that working out for you so far?
Well given we only had 3 months before covid struck, hard to say, wouldn't you agree?
Haven't the Tories been in power for 11 years?
And why aren't we allowed to consider the lies and failures of the government since March?
OK, over the last 11 years apart from the government supporting remaining in the EU things have been fine. And since March who can say what the government got right or wrong with regards to covid? Death rates seem comparable across Europe even with different levels of lockdown but this government has given one of the highest levels of financial support in the world through its furlough scheme, though I'm sure you will knock that too "
We have more deaths than any other European country, the furlough scheme is very good and does compare well with other EU countries. As we are comparing the UK with other EU nations do you think we will recover faster than them post COVID ? Will leaving the EU be a benefit ? And do you think leaving with a no deal is better than leaving with Boris’s oven ready deal |
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now?
Crystal ball? No, hindsight
How can you have hindsight over something that hasn't happened?
Has there never been a previous Labour government?
There hasn't been a labour gmnt ran by starmer or corbyn so your argument is completely flawed.
No there hasn't but they are 10 times worse than the people who led a Labour government in the past, so not that flawed
Ill repeat
How do you know that?
You dont.
It's your opinion.
Mine and the majority of the electorate,
And hows that working out for you so far?
Well given we only had 3 months before covid struck, hard to say, wouldn't you agree?
Haven't the Tories been in power for 11 years?
And why aren't we allowed to consider the lies and failures of the government since March?
OK, over the last 11 years apart from the government supporting remaining in the EU things have been fine. And since March who can say what the government got right or wrong with regards to covid? Death rates seem comparable across Europe even with different levels of lockdown but this government has given one of the highest levels of financial support in the world through its furlough scheme, though I'm sure you will knock that too "
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now?
Crystal ball? No, hindsight
How can you have hindsight over something that hasn't happened?
Has there never been a previous Labour government?
There hasn't been a labour gmnt ran by starmer or corbyn so your argument is completely flawed.
No there hasn't but they are 10 times worse than the people who led a Labour government in the past, so not that flawed
Ill repeat
How do you know that?
You dont.
It's your opinion.
Mine and the majority of the electorate,
And hows that working out for you so far?
Well given we only had 3 months before covid struck, hard to say, wouldn't you agree?
Haven't the Tories been in power for 11 years?
And why aren't we allowed to consider the lies and failures of the government since March?
OK, over the last 11 years apart from the government supporting remaining in the EU things have been fine. And since March who can say what the government got right or wrong with regards to covid? Death rates seem comparable across Europe even with different levels of lockdown but this government has given one of the highest levels of financial support in the world through its furlough scheme, though I'm sure you will knock that too
You are aware of something called austerity?"
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now?
Crystal ball? No, hindsight
How can you have hindsight over something that hasn't happened?
Has there never been a previous Labour government?
There hasn't been a labour gmnt ran by starmer or corbyn so your argument is completely flawed.
No there hasn't but they are 10 times worse than the people who led a Labour government in the past, so not that flawed
Ill repeat
How do you know that?
You dont.
It's your opinion.
Mine and the majority of the electorate,
And hows that working out for you so far?
Well given we only had 3 months before covid struck, hard to say, wouldn't you agree?
Haven't the Tories been in power for 11 years?
And why aren't we allowed to consider the lies and failures of the government since March?
OK, over the last 11 years apart from the government supporting remaining in the EU things have been fine. And since March who can say what the government got right or wrong with regards to covid? Death rates seem comparable across Europe even with different levels of lockdown but this government has given one of the highest levels of financial support in the world through its furlough scheme, though I'm sure you will knock that too
You are aware of something called austerity?
Yes it's still happening throughout most of the 'prosperous' EU"
So you're saying austerity is good. Or bad?
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?"
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now?
Crystal ball? No, hindsight
How can you have hindsight over something that hasn't happened?
Has there never been a previous Labour government?
There hasn't been a labour gmnt ran by starmer or corbyn so your argument is completely flawed.
No there hasn't but they are 10 times worse than the people who led a Labour government in the past, so not that flawed
Ill repeat
How do you know that?
You dont.
It's your opinion.
Mine and the majority of the electorate,
And hows that working out for you so far?
Well given we only had 3 months before covid struck, hard to say, wouldn't you agree?
Haven't the Tories been in power for 11 years?
And why aren't we allowed to consider the lies and failures of the government since March?
OK, over the last 11 years apart from the government supporting remaining in the EU things have been fine. And since March who can say what the government got right or wrong with regards to covid? Death rates seem comparable across Europe even with different levels of lockdown but this government has given one of the highest levels of financial support in the world through its furlough scheme, though I'm sure you will knock that too
You are aware of something called austerity?
Yes it's still happening throughout most of the 'prosperous' EU"
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now?
Crystal ball? No, hindsight
How can you have hindsight over something that hasn't happened?
Has there never been a previous Labour government?
There hasn't been a labour gmnt ran by starmer or corbyn so your argument is completely flawed.
No there hasn't but they are 10 times worse than the people who led a Labour government in the past, so not that flawed
Ill repeat
How do you know that?
You dont.
It's your opinion.
Mine and the majority of the electorate,
And hows that working out for you so far?
Well given we only had 3 months before covid struck, hard to say, wouldn't you agree?
Haven't the Tories been in power for 11 years?
And why aren't we allowed to consider the lies and failures of the government since March?
OK, over the last 11 years apart from the government supporting remaining in the EU things have been fine. And since March who can say what the government got right or wrong with regards to covid? Death rates seem comparable across Europe even with different levels of lockdown but this government has given one of the highest levels of financial support in the world through its furlough scheme, though I'm sure you will knock that too
You are aware of something called austerity?
Yes it's still happening throughout most of the 'prosperous' EU
So you're saying austerity is good. Or bad?
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
This is where we've arrived at in 2020. People openly saying that being lied to is preferable to being told the truth.
Scary stuff.
Who is telling the truth?
Let's look at what we know.
The Tories definitely aren't. Trump definitely isn't.
You would rather be lied to than told the truth.
It is scary to see how far society has slumped. We thought Trump and Brexit were the low water mark, and the peak victory for propaganda, and ignorance over information, fact and logic and reason.
But this demonstrates a new appetite for ignorance. Mind boggling that you not only don't seem to care, but that you're arguing with people who do.
So 17.4 million people made a decision due to ignorance? Wow
Is anyone who has a different opinion to yourself ignorant/thick?
I don't know why each and every leaver voted they way they did. But generally absolutely yes people voted out of ignorance. We knew Brexit would go the way it's going, and people voted for it anyway.
And the rest of this is your words, not mine.
Personally I don't label people as thick or ignorant. And so far the only person with a different opinion to me on this thread is you. With your opinion that it's better to be told lies than the truth. Which is a fairly extreme opinion, and even then I've no interest in insulting you.
I have never said it's better being told lies than the truth, I simply asked who is telling the truth? And did I say I voted for Brexit? You could just as easily say that people voted to remain because of lies, fear and ignorance couldn't you?
Okay you said "they support them (liars) because the alternative (non liars) are worse".
I assumed "they" included you, in this instance, or why else would you be making this point. Apologies if not.
And that's just ridiculous. Remainders voted to stay in the EU. Which we knew what that meant, and not for the cluster fuck of leaving. Where is the lie there? We don't need to go over all the leaver lies. It's been done to death.
What did remaining in the EU mean?
Membership in a community of stability, democracy, security and prosperity;
Stimulus to GDP growth, more jobs, higher wages and pensions;
Growing internal market and domestic demand;
Free movement of labour, goods, services and capital;
Free access to 450 million consumers
What did leaving the EU mean ?
Stability, democracy, security and prosperity? hilarious.
What did leaving mean? An improvement on all of the above . Last time I checked,indications were that by leaving we will be better up by up to £800 per annum. This is a not an insignificant saving , especially to the poorer members of society . "
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now?
Crystal ball? No, hindsight
How can you have hindsight over something that hasn't happened?
Has there never been a previous Labour government?
There hasn't been a labour gmnt ran by starmer or corbyn so your argument is completely flawed.
No there hasn't but they are 10 times worse than the people who led a Labour government in the past, so not that flawed
Ill repeat
How do you know that?
You dont.
It's your opinion.
Mine and the majority of the electorate,
And hows that working out for you so far?
Well given we only had 3 months before covid struck, hard to say, wouldn't you agree?
Haven't the Tories been in power for 11 years?
And why aren't we allowed to consider the lies and failures of the government since March?
OK, over the last 11 years apart from the government supporting remaining in the EU things have been fine. And since March who can say what the government got right or wrong with regards to covid? Death rates seem comparable across Europe even with different levels of lockdown but this government has given one of the highest levels of financial support in the world through its furlough scheme, though I'm sure you will knock that too
You are aware of something called austerity?
Yes it's still happening throughout most of the 'prosperous' EU
So you're saying austerity is good. Or bad?
I'm saying neither but were we put into austerity measures by the Tories or by the EU? "
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
This is where we've arrived at in 2020. People openly saying that being lied to is preferable to being told the truth.
Scary stuff.
Who is telling the truth?
Let's look at what we know.
The Tories definitely aren't. Trump definitely isn't.
You would rather be lied to than told the truth.
It is scary to see how far society has slumped. We thought Trump and Brexit were the low water mark, and the peak victory for propaganda, and ignorance over information, fact and logic and reason.
But this demonstrates a new appetite for ignorance. Mind boggling that you not only don't seem to care, but that you're arguing with people who do.
So 17.4 million people made a decision due to ignorance? Wow
Is anyone who has a different opinion to yourself ignorant/thick?
I don't know why each and every leaver voted they way they did. But generally absolutely yes people voted out of ignorance. We knew Brexit would go the way it's going, and people voted for it anyway.
And the rest of this is your words, not mine.
Personally I don't label people as thick or ignorant. And so far the only person with a different opinion to me on this thread is you. With your opinion that it's better to be told lies than the truth. Which is a fairly extreme opinion, and even then I've no interest in insulting you.
I have never said it's better being told lies than the truth, I simply asked who is telling the truth? And did I say I voted for Brexit? You could just as easily say that people voted to remain because of lies, fear and ignorance couldn't you?
Okay you said "they support them (liars) because the alternative (non liars) are worse".
I assumed "they" included you, in this instance, or why else would you be making this point. Apologies if not.
And that's just ridiculous. Remainders voted to stay in the EU. Which we knew what that meant, and not for the cluster fuck of leaving. Where is the lie there? We don't need to go over all the leaver lies. It's been done to death.
What did remaining in the EU mean?
Membership in a community of stability, democracy, security and prosperity;
Stimulus to GDP growth, more jobs, higher wages and pensions;
Growing internal market and domestic demand;
Free movement of labour, goods, services and capital;
Free access to 450 million consumers
What did leaving the EU mean ?
Stability, democracy, security and prosperity? hilarious.
What did leaving mean? An improvement on all of the above . Last time I checked,indications were that by leaving we will be better up by up to £800 per annum. This is a not an insignificant saving , especially to the poorer members of society .
Please tell me where you read this? "
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now?
Crystal ball? No, hindsight
How can you have hindsight over something that hasn't happened?
Has there never been a previous Labour government?
There hasn't been a labour gmnt ran by starmer or corbyn so your argument is completely flawed.
No there hasn't but they are 10 times worse than the people who led a Labour government in the past, so not that flawed
Ill repeat
How do you know that?
You dont.
It's your opinion.
Mine and the majority of the electorate,
And hows that working out for you so far?
Well given we only had 3 months before covid struck, hard to say, wouldn't you agree?
Haven't the Tories been in power for 11 years?
And why aren't we allowed to consider the lies and failures of the government since March?
OK, over the last 11 years apart from the government supporting remaining in the EU things have been fine. And since March who can say what the government got right or wrong with regards to covid? Death rates seem comparable across Europe even with different levels of lockdown but this government has given one of the highest levels of financial support in the world through its furlough scheme, though I'm sure you will knock that too
You are aware of something called austerity?
Yes it's still happening throughout most of the 'prosperous' EU
So you're saying austerity is good. Or bad?
I'm saying neither but were we put into austerity measures by the Tories or by the EU? "
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
This is where we've arrived at in 2020. People openly saying that being lied to is preferable to being told the truth.
Scary stuff.
Who is telling the truth?
Let's look at what we know.
The Tories definitely aren't. Trump definitely isn't.
You would rather be lied to than told the truth.
It is scary to see how far society has slumped. We thought Trump and Brexit were the low water mark, and the peak victory for propaganda, and ignorance over information, fact and logic and reason.
But this demonstrates a new appetite for ignorance. Mind boggling that you not only don't seem to care, but that you're arguing with people who do.
So 17.4 million people made a decision due to ignorance? Wow
Is anyone who has a different opinion to yourself ignorant/thick?
I don't know why each and every leaver voted they way they did. But generally absolutely yes people voted out of ignorance. We knew Brexit would go the way it's going, and people voted for it anyway.
And the rest of this is your words, not mine.
Personally I don't label people as thick or ignorant. And so far the only person with a different opinion to me on this thread is you. With your opinion that it's better to be told lies than the truth. Which is a fairly extreme opinion, and even then I've no interest in insulting you.
I have never said it's better being told lies than the truth, I simply asked who is telling the truth? And did I say I voted for Brexit? You could just as easily say that people voted to remain because of lies, fear and ignorance couldn't you?
Okay you said "they support them (liars) because the alternative (non liars) are worse".
I assumed "they" included you, in this instance, or why else would you be making this point. Apologies if not.
And that's just ridiculous. Remainders voted to stay in the EU. Which we knew what that meant, and not for the cluster fuck of leaving. Where is the lie there? We don't need to go over all the leaver lies. It's been done to death.
What did remaining in the EU mean?
Membership in a community of stability, democracy, security and prosperity;
Stimulus to GDP growth, more jobs, higher wages and pensions;
Growing internal market and domestic demand;
Free movement of labour, goods, services and capital;
Free access to 450 million consumers
What did leaving the EU mean ?
Stability, democracy, security and prosperity? hilarious.
What did leaving mean? An improvement on all of the above . Last time I checked,indications were that by leaving we will be better up by up to £800 per annum. This is a not an insignificant saving , especially to the poorer members of society .
Please tell me where you read this?
The conservative manifesto"
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over a year ago
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now?
Crystal ball? No, hindsight
How can you have hindsight over something that hasn't happened?
Has there never been a previous Labour government?
There hasn't been a labour gmnt ran by starmer or corbyn so your argument is completely flawed.
No there hasn't but they are 10 times worse than the people who led a Labour government in the past, so not that flawed
Ill repeat
How do you know that?
You dont.
It's your opinion.
Mine and the majority of the electorate,
And hows that working out for you so far?
Well given we only had 3 months before covid struck, hard to say, wouldn't you agree?
Haven't the Tories been in power for 11 years?
And why aren't we allowed to consider the lies and failures of the government since March?
OK, over the last 11 years apart from the government supporting remaining in the EU things have been fine. And since March who can say what the government got right or wrong with regards to covid? Death rates seem comparable across Europe even with different levels of lockdown but this government has given one of the highest levels of financial support in the world through its furlough scheme, though I'm sure you will knock that too
You are aware of something called austerity?
Yes it's still happening throughout most of the 'prosperous' EU
So you're saying austerity is good. Or bad?
I'm saying neither but were we put into austerity measures by the Tories or by the EU?
The Tories. Unequivocally."
The mandate to cut the UK deficit through austerity came from your beloved EU Council and commission |
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over a year ago
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now?
Crystal ball? No, hindsight
How can you have hindsight over something that hasn't happened?
Has there never been a previous Labour government?
There hasn't been a labour gmnt ran by starmer or corbyn so your argument is completely flawed.
No there hasn't but they are 10 times worse than the people who led a Labour government in the past, so not that flawed
Ill repeat
How do you know that?
You dont.
It's your opinion.
Mine and the majority of the electorate,
And hows that working out for you so far?
Well given we only had 3 months before covid struck, hard to say, wouldn't you agree?
Haven't the Tories been in power for 11 years?
And why aren't we allowed to consider the lies and failures of the government since March?
OK, over the last 11 years apart from the government supporting remaining in the EU things have been fine. And since March who can say what the government got right or wrong with regards to covid? Death rates seem comparable across Europe even with different levels of lockdown but this government has given one of the highest levels of financial support in the world through its furlough scheme, though I'm sure you will knock that too
You are aware of something called austerity?
Yes it's still happening throughout most of the 'prosperous' EU
So you're saying austerity is good. Or bad?
I'm saying neither but were we put into austerity measures by the Tories or by the EU?
The Tories. Unequivocally.
The mandate to cut the UK deficit through austerity came from your beloved EU Council and commission "
I think you need to reread the EUs guidelines on austerity. And then read about the difference between EU guidelines, reccomendations and policies. And about what makes it into British law and what doesn't.
"Your beloved EU". What planet are you on. Just because I don't like being lied to and can understand information. Doesn't mean the EU is beloved to me. There's plenty of it I don't like.
Anyhow. I've had enough of any kind of discourse with someone who prefers being lied to, thinks the Tories are ace, and that Brexit is a good idea.
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over a year ago
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now?
Crystal ball? No, hindsight
How can you have hindsight over something that hasn't happened?
Has there never been a previous Labour government?
There hasn't been a labour gmnt ran by starmer or corbyn so your argument is completely flawed.
No there hasn't but they are 10 times worse than the people who led a Labour government in the past, so not that flawed
Ill repeat
How do you know that?
You dont.
It's your opinion.
Mine and the majority of the electorate,
And hows that working out for you so far?
Well given we only had 3 months before covid struck, hard to say, wouldn't you agree?
Haven't the Tories been in power for 11 years?
And why aren't we allowed to consider the lies and failures of the government since March?
OK, over the last 11 years apart from the government supporting remaining in the EU things have been fine. And since March who can say what the government got right or wrong with regards to covid? Death rates seem comparable across Europe even with different levels of lockdown but this government has given one of the highest levels of financial support in the world through its furlough scheme, though I'm sure you will knock that too
You are aware of something called austerity?
Yes it's still happening throughout most of the 'prosperous' EU
So you're saying austerity is good. Or bad?
I'm saying neither but were we put into austerity measures by the Tories or by the EU?
The Tories. Unequivocally.
The mandate to cut the UK deficit through austerity came from your beloved EU Council and commission
I think you need to reread the EUs guidelines on austerity. And then read about the difference between EU guidelines, reccomendations and policies. And about what makes it into British law and what doesn't.
"Your beloved EU". What planet are you on. Just because I don't like being lied to and can understand information. Doesn't mean the EU is beloved to me. There's plenty of it I don't like.
Anyhow. I've had enough of any kind of discourse with someone who prefers being lied to, thinks the Tories are ace, and that Brexit is a good idea.
Have a good rest of the day. "
Well we were lied to or at best the truth was hidden from us when we voted to remain in the EEC so now that that has been rectified you should be pleased. Good day to you |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now?
Crystal ball? No, hindsight
How can you have hindsight over something that hasn't happened?
Has there never been a previous Labour government?
There hasn't been a labour gmnt ran by starmer or corbyn so your argument is completely flawed.
No there hasn't but they are 10 times worse than the people who led a Labour government in the past, so not that flawed
Ill repeat
How do you know that?
You dont.
It's your opinion.
Mine and the majority of the electorate,
And hows that working out for you so far?
Well given we only had 3 months before covid struck, hard to say, wouldn't you agree?
Haven't the Tories been in power for 11 years?
And why aren't we allowed to consider the lies and failures of the government since March?
OK, over the last 11 years apart from the government supporting remaining in the EU things have been fine. And since March who can say what the government got right or wrong with regards to covid? Death rates seem comparable across Europe even with different levels of lockdown but this government has given one of the highest levels of financial support in the world through its furlough scheme, though I'm sure you will knock that too
You are aware of something called austerity?
Yes it's still happening throughout most of the 'prosperous' EU
So you're saying austerity is good. Or bad?
I'm saying neither but were we put into austerity measures by the Tories or by the EU?
The Tories. Unequivocally.
The mandate to cut the UK deficit through austerity came from your beloved EU Council and commission "
The EU states you cannot have more debt than GDP (in effect be bankrupt)and be part of the EU.
They didn’t get the banks to lend our money to non working Americans our banks did that all by themselves.
The austerity came about due to the U.K. government bailing out the banks. They are even today paying bonuses which are obscene and yet we are not getting their help over Covid.
So no the EU didn’t impose austerity our own greedy bankers are to blame.
Watch the film the big short and you will see how it was done. Guess what , they are doing it again as we speak.
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now?
Crystal ball? No, hindsight
How can you have hindsight over something that hasn't happened?
Has there never been a previous Labour government?
There hasn't been a labour gmnt ran by starmer or corbyn so your argument is completely flawed.
No there hasn't but they are 10 times worse than the people who led a Labour government in the past, so not that flawed
Ill repeat
How do you know that?
You dont.
It's your opinion.
Mine and the majority of the electorate,
And hows that working out for you so far?
Well given we only had 3 months before covid struck, hard to say, wouldn't you agree?
Haven't the Tories been in power for 11 years?
And why aren't we allowed to consider the lies and failures of the government since March?
OK, over the last 11 years apart from the government supporting remaining in the EU things have been fine. And since March who can say what the government got right or wrong with regards to covid? Death rates seem comparable across Europe even with different levels of lockdown but this government has given one of the highest levels of financial support in the world through its furlough scheme, though I'm sure you will knock that too
You are aware of something called austerity?
Yes it's still happening throughout most of the 'prosperous' EU
So you're saying austerity is good. Or bad?
I'm saying neither but were we put into austerity measures by the Tories or by the EU?
The Tories. Unequivocally.
The mandate to cut the UK deficit through austerity came from your beloved EU Council and commission
I think you need to reread the EUs guidelines on austerity. And then read about the difference between EU guidelines, reccomendations and policies. And about what makes it into British law and what doesn't.
"Your beloved EU". What planet are you on. Just because I don't like being lied to and can understand information. Doesn't mean the EU is beloved to me. There's plenty of it I don't like.
Anyhow. I've had enough of any kind of discourse with someone who prefers being lied to, thinks the Tories are ace, and that Brexit is a good idea.
Have a good rest of the day.
Well we were lied to or at best the truth was hidden from us when we voted to remain in the EEC so now that that has been rectified you should be pleased. Good day to you "
Can I ask you again, as you are a Brexit supporter are you hoping we leave with a no deal or Boris’s oven ready deal? |
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By *exy7Man
over a year ago
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now?
Crystal ball? No, hindsight
How can you have hindsight over something that hasn't happened?
Has there never been a previous Labour government?
There hasn't been a labour gmnt ran by starmer or corbyn so your argument is completely flawed.
No there hasn't but they are 10 times worse than the people who led a Labour government in the past, so not that flawed
Ill repeat
How do you know that?
You dont.
It's your opinion.
Mine and the majority of the electorate,
And hows that working out for you so far?
Well given we only had 3 months before covid struck, hard to say, wouldn't you agree?
Haven't the Tories been in power for 11 years?
And why aren't we allowed to consider the lies and failures of the government since March?
OK, over the last 11 years apart from the government supporting remaining in the EU things have been fine. And since March who can say what the government got right or wrong with regards to covid? Death rates seem comparable across Europe even with different levels of lockdown but this government has given one of the highest levels of financial support in the world through its furlough scheme, though I'm sure you will knock that too
You are aware of something called austerity?
Yes it's still happening throughout most of the 'prosperous' EU
So you're saying austerity is good. Or bad?
I'm saying neither but were we put into austerity measures by the Tories or by the EU?
The Tories. Unequivocally.
The mandate to cut the UK deficit through austerity came from your beloved EU Council and commission "
This is a complete lie. The EU only imposes budget deficit restrictions to countries that use the euro. We don’t. Try again and please stop lying. Austerity was an ideological decision made by the tories who had been dreaming for decades to screw the public sector. End of. |
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"This is more a question for supporters of Trump/Johnson. (Since I'm guessing those who don't support those 2 will be bothered by their lies.)
If you do support one of the pair, are you bothered by their many lies? And do you actually trust them after all the lies?
No, it appears they are not bothered. They will support them regardless. Because.... her emails... or some such shit.
It is a level of gaslighting and propaganda not seen since WWII.
-Matt
They support them because the alternative is worse. Sad but true
Much Worse? Do you have a crystal ball? What could be worse than it is now?
Crystal ball? No, hindsight
How can you have hindsight over something that hasn't happened?
Has there never been a previous Labour government?
There hasn't been a labour gmnt ran by starmer or corbyn so your argument is completely flawed.
No there hasn't but they are 10 times worse than the people who led a Labour government in the past, so not that flawed
Ill repeat
How do you know that?
You dont.
It's your opinion.
Mine and the majority of the electorate,
And hows that working out for you so far?
Well given we only had 3 months before covid struck, hard to say, wouldn't you agree?
Haven't the Tories been in power for 11 years?
And why aren't we allowed to consider the lies and failures of the government since March?
OK, over the last 11 years apart from the government supporting remaining in the EU things have been fine. And since March who can say what the government got right or wrong with regards to covid? Death rates seem comparable across Europe even with different levels of lockdown but this government has given one of the highest levels of financial support in the world through its furlough scheme, though I'm sure you will knock that too
You are aware of something called austerity?
Yes it's still happening throughout most of the 'prosperous' EU
So you're saying austerity is good. Or bad?
I'm saying neither but were we put into austerity measures by the Tories or by the EU?
The Tories. Unequivocally.
The mandate to cut the UK deficit through austerity came from your beloved EU Council and commission
I think you need to reread the EUs guidelines on austerity. And then read about the difference between EU guidelines, reccomendations and policies. And about what makes it into British law and what doesn't.
"Your beloved EU". What planet are you on. Just because I don't like being lied to and can understand information. Doesn't mean the EU is beloved to me. There's plenty of it I don't like.
Anyhow. I've had enough of any kind of discourse with someone who prefers being lied to, thinks the Tories are ace, and that Brexit is a good idea.
Have a good rest of the day.
Well we were lied to or at best the truth was hidden from us when we voted to remain in the EEC so now that that has been rectified you should be pleased. Good day to you "
Well thank God we are mp longer going to be lied too.
Dodged a bullet there. |
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Well that was a lot of replies. I'm always amazed at the way certain people happily ignore so many lies. And how they try to say "oh they're all as bad as each other."
Especially since I posted this right near the start of the thread:
And and the old line "oh all policians lie the same amount" won't wash.
The Washington Post (a respected paper known for being factual) exhaustively documented 20,000 of Trump's lies and misleading statements back in July.
And Peter Oborne (former chief political commentator of The Daily Telegraph ie a prominent figure in the paper known as "the Torygraph") was so disgusted by Johnson's lies he collected and published a long list of them. |
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