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I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us? |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?"
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division. |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division. "
Well obviously.
We are all one happy nation before then. |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division. "
I knew it'd be them! Will it be their fault if Brexit doesn't turn out well, too? (Can't think of any other reason Brexit could possibly be bad...) |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division. "
Did you accept the EU referendum in 1975? |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division.
Did you accept the EU referendum in 1975?"
Ironic isn't it as it was future leavers that couldn't accept the original result that eventually screamed and stamped their feet long enough that led to another referendum  |
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Are other countries divided as us?"
I read something saying that New Zealand politics is much more level headed and normal, and putting that down to there not being any Murdoch owned media in the country.
Makes you wonder what this country could be without the Mail and Express telling everyone how awful foreigners are every day. |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division.
Did you accept the EU referendum in 1975?
Ironic isn't it as it was future leavers that couldn't accept the original result that eventually screamed and stamped their feet long enough that led to another referendum "
Exactly, can you imagine the likes of Farage accepting a 52-48 vote in favour to remain . I accepted the referendum vote as I was assured we would be getting a great deal, I can’t accept the shit show we are now left with |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division. "
I have.
So where's the deal? |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division. "
Amazing. A thread to talk about how divided we are, and someone leaps in to cause further division by blaming a large section of society.
To answer the OP. I believe that it's a media driven. So much of it is designed to blame eachother for everything that's wrong with the country instead of actually looking at those in charge.
Belittling leavers for Brexit is pointless. Blaming the Tories is what we all need to be doing. |
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By *ackal1Couple
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It’s very hard to get the truth with our news media being controlled by vested interests.
People tend to read news they have a leaning towards already but don’t realise they are re-enforcing a bias belief with stuff that simply isn’t true.
I make a point of buying papers I don’t agree with to try and give myself a more balanced view but some articles a person can’t make a true judgement as the news presented is “SO” biased.
Million Turks heading do UK as an example. Utter shit! But they get away with it!
The BBC who would always be impartial in the past are running scared with the threats from Boris.
The way the media let Cummings off in the garden interview showed we don’t get true questioning of our people of influence.
We’re no longer a true democracy in my opinion as we don’t get the truth to help us decide and I’m not taking Brexit I’m taking about our national politics.
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division.
Did you accept the EU referendum in 1975?"
The EU did not exist in 1975 and we never had a referendum on it.
We did however have a referendum in 1975 on remaining in the European Communities (Common market).
I have no doubt if the EC still existed today and not the EU the UK would still be a member. |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division.
Did you accept the EU referendum in 1975?
The EU did not exist in 1975 and we never had a referendum on it.
We did however have a referendum in 1975 on remaining in the European Communities (Common market).
I have no doubt if the EC still existed today and not the EU the UK would still be a member."
Ok, so why didn’t you respect the referendum in 1975 to stay in the EC? Did the UK parliament vote in favour of the Maastricht treaty in 1993 ?  |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division.
Did you accept the EU referendum in 1975?
The EU did not exist in 1975 and we never had a referendum on it.
We did however have a referendum in 1975 on remaining in the European Communities (Common market).
I have no doubt if the EC still existed today and not the EU the UK would still be a member.
Ok, so why didn’t you respect the referendum in 1975 to stay in the EC? Did the UK parliament vote in favour of the Maastricht treaty in 1993 ? "
Yep the Conservative Government got the Masstricht treaty though parliament which meant the UK joined the EU.
However on 20th April 2004 PM Tony Blair declared he would let the people have the final say by holding a referendum. However he then changed his tune at the Labour party conference. |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division.
Did you accept the EU referendum in 1975?
Ironic isn't it as it was future leavers that couldn't accept the original result that eventually screamed and stamped their feet long enough that led to another referendum
Exactly, can you imagine the likes of Farage accepting a 52-48 vote in favour to remain . I accepted the referendum vote as I was assured we would be getting a great deal, I can’t accept the shit show we are now left with "
Wasnt he talking about riots on the streets if we had a 2and ref? |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division.
Did you accept the EU referendum in 1975?
The EU did not exist in 1975 and we never had a referendum on it.
We did however have a referendum in 1975 on remaining in the European Communities (Common market).
I have no doubt if the EC still existed today and not the EU the UK would still be a member.
Ok, so why didn’t you respect the referendum in 1975 to stay in the EC? Did the UK parliament vote in favour of the Maastricht treaty in 1993 ?
Yep the Conservative Government got the Masstricht treaty though parliament which meant the UK joined the EU.
However on 20th April 2004 PM Tony Blair declared he would let the people have the final say by holding a referendum. However he then changed his tune at the Labour party conference."
So you didn’t accept the democratic decision of MPs that passed the Maastricht treaty through parliament? Maybe Tony Blair was lying when he promised a referendum, I am sure you will agree that it’s not a big deal if the PM tells lies?? |
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"Cant see how you can compare the EC and they EU as they are completely different, the EC was purely about trade, the EU is a lot lot more."
I agree, but the UK agreed and voted on every proposal that allowed the EC to turn into the EU? |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division.
Did you accept the EU referendum in 1975?
The EU did not exist in 1975 and we never had a referendum on it.
We did however have a referendum in 1975 on remaining in the European Communities (Common market).
I have no doubt if the EC still existed today and not the EU the UK would still be a member.
Ok, so why didn’t you respect the referendum in 1975 to stay in the EC? Did the UK parliament vote in favour of the Maastricht treaty in 1993 ?
Yep the Conservative Government got the Masstricht treaty though parliament which meant the UK joined the EU.
However on 20th April 2004 PM Tony Blair declared he would let the people have the final say by holding a referendum. However he then changed his tune at the Labour party conference.
So you didn’t accept the democratic decision of MPs that passed the Maastricht treaty through parliament? Maybe Tony Blair was lying when he promised a referendum, I am sure you will agree that it’s not a big deal if the PM tells lies?? "
Well we did find out later on that Tony Blair lied about WMD didnt we.
Funny how certain people blame the Conservative party for Brexit when acctually they we the party who got us in the EU in the first place and they all seem to forget the Labour party were not so keen on it.
I also can't remember petitions, marches, legal action and anyone 4 years later moaning as much as some people on here after the Masstricht treaty went though parliament. |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division.
Did you accept the EU referendum in 1975?
The EU did not exist in 1975 and we never had a referendum on it.
We did however have a referendum in 1975 on remaining in the European Communities (Common market).
I have no doubt if the EC still existed today and not the EU the UK would still be a member.
Ok, so why didn’t you respect the referendum in 1975 to stay in the EC? Did the UK parliament vote in favour of the Maastricht treaty in 1993 ?
Yep the Conservative Government got the Masstricht treaty though parliament which meant the UK joined the EU.
However on 20th April 2004 PM Tony Blair declared he would let the people have the final say by holding a referendum. However he then changed his tune at the Labour party conference.
So you didn’t accept the democratic decision of MPs that passed the Maastricht treaty through parliament? Maybe Tony Blair was lying when he promised a referendum, I am sure you will agree that it’s not a big deal if the PM tells lies??
Well we did find out later on that Tony Blair lied about WMD didnt we.
Funny how certain people blame the Conservative party for Brexit when acctually they we the party who got us in the EU in the first place and they all seem to forget the Labour party were not so keen on it.
I also can't remember petitions, marches, legal action and anyone 4 years later moaning as much as some people on here after the Masstricht treaty went though parliament."
Maastricht wasnt based on a shit load of lies |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division.
Did you accept the EU referendum in 1975?
The EU did not exist in 1975 and we never had a referendum on it.
We did however have a referendum in 1975 on remaining in the European Communities (Common market).
I have no doubt if the EC still existed today and not the EU the UK would still be a member.
Ok, so why didn’t you respect the referendum in 1975 to stay in the EC? Did the UK parliament vote in favour of the Maastricht treaty in 1993 ?
Yep the Conservative Government got the Masstricht treaty though parliament which meant the UK joined the EU.
However on 20th April 2004 PM Tony Blair declared he would let the people have the final say by holding a referendum. However he then changed his tune at the Labour party conference.
So you didn’t accept the democratic decision of MPs that passed the Maastricht treaty through parliament? Maybe Tony Blair was lying when he promised a referendum, I am sure you will agree that it’s not a big deal if the PM tells lies??
Well we did find out later on that Tony Blair lied about WMD didnt we.
Funny how certain people blame the Conservative party for Brexit when acctually they we the party who got us in the EU in the first place and they all seem to forget the Labour party were not so keen on it.
I also can't remember petitions, marches, legal action and anyone 4 years later moaning as much as some people on here after the Masstricht treaty went though parliament."
Yeah, but it’s ok for a PM to lie? Did you vote for Boris? Why would they moan about the Maastricht treaty being passed? A few rebel MPs didn’t accept the vote aswell as Farage, why didn’t they just accept the will of the people and democracy ? |
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"Cant see how you can compare the EC and they EU as they are completely different, the EC was purely about trade, the EU is a lot lot more.
I agree, but the UK agreed and voted on every proposal that allowed the EC to turn into the EU? "
Yes they did, but they never asked the people of this country if that was there wish to join the new EU, they just signed us up even though the changes were quite considerable to say the least and ever since the maastricht treaty there have been noises for a referendum in this country. |
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"Cant see how you can compare the EC and they EU as they are completely different, the EC was purely about trade, the EU is a lot lot more.
I agree, but the UK agreed and voted on every proposal that allowed the EC to turn into the EU?
Yes they did, but they never asked the people of this country if that was there wish to join the new EU, they just signed us up even though the changes were quite considerable to say the least and ever since the maastricht treaty there have been noises for a referendum in this country."
The MPs were all democratically voted in to parliament? Are you suggesting that we should have a referendum every time parliament has to make a significant decision? |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division.
Did you accept the EU referendum in 1975?
The EU did not exist in 1975 and we never had a referendum on it.
We did however have a referendum in 1975 on remaining in the European Communities (Common market).
I have no doubt if the EC still existed today and not the EU the UK would still be a member.
Ok, so why didn’t you respect the referendum in 1975 to stay in the EC? Did the UK parliament vote in favour of the Maastricht treaty in 1993 ?
Yep the Conservative Government got the Masstricht treaty though parliament which meant the UK joined the EU.
However on 20th April 2004 PM Tony Blair declared he would let the people have the final say by holding a referendum. However he then changed his tune at the Labour party conference.
So you didn’t accept the democratic decision of MPs that passed the Maastricht treaty through parliament? Maybe Tony Blair was lying when he promised a referendum, I am sure you will agree that it’s not a big deal if the PM tells lies??
Well we did find out later on that Tony Blair lied about WMD didnt we.
Funny how certain people blame the Conservative party for Brexit when acctually they we the party who got us in the EU in the first place and they all seem to forget the Labour party were not so keen on it.
I also can't remember petitions, marches, legal action and anyone 4 years later moaning as much as some people on here after the Masstricht treaty went though parliament.
Yeah, but it’s ok for a PM to lie? Did you vote for Boris? Why would they moan about the Maastricht treaty being passed? A few rebel MPs didn’t accept the vote aswell as Farage, why didn’t they just accept the will of the people and democracy ? "
You really need to understand the difference in a parliament vote and a referendum.
A parliament vote can not be classed as the will of the people.
Yes MPs are vote in by the people of their constituency but generally to represent them locally at Parliament.
A referendum is a nation wide vote where the people decide. That is will of the people. |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division.
Did you accept the EU referendum in 1975?
The EU did not exist in 1975 and we never had a referendum on it.
We did however have a referendum in 1975 on remaining in the European Communities (Common market).
I have no doubt if the EC still existed today and not the EU the UK would still be a member.
Ok, so why didn’t you respect the referendum in 1975 to stay in the EC? Did the UK parliament vote in favour of the Maastricht treaty in 1993 ?
Yep the Conservative Government got the Masstricht treaty though parliament which meant the UK joined the EU.
However on 20th April 2004 PM Tony Blair declared he would let the people have the final say by holding a referendum. However he then changed his tune at the Labour party conference.
So you didn’t accept the democratic decision of MPs that passed the Maastricht treaty through parliament? Maybe Tony Blair was lying when he promised a referendum, I am sure you will agree that it’s not a big deal if the PM tells lies??
Well we did find out later on that Tony Blair lied about WMD didnt we.
Funny how certain people blame the Conservative party for Brexit when acctually they we the party who got us in the EU in the first place and they all seem to forget the Labour party were not so keen on it.
I also can't remember petitions, marches, legal action and anyone 4 years later moaning as much as some people on here after the Masstricht treaty went though parliament.
Yeah, but it’s ok for a PM to lie? Did you vote for Boris? Why would they moan about the Maastricht treaty being passed? A few rebel MPs didn’t accept the vote aswell as Farage, why didn’t they just accept the will of the people and democracy ?
You really need to understand the difference in a parliament vote and a referendum.
A parliament vote can not be classed as the will of the people.
Yes MPs are vote in by the people of their constituency but generally to represent them locally at Parliament.
A referendum is a nation wide vote where the people decide. That is will of the people."
Ah, my mistake, it wasn’t the ‘will of the people’ just a decision made by MPs who had been democratically voted into parliament by the people? When did you decide that the U.K. should leave the EU? And why couldn’t you and the rest of the leave voters accept the democratic vote of the MPs in Parliament? |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?"
yes it is divided we had a vote one side won one lost not all remainers can’t accept the vote I’d say lots on here are struggling and some on here can be nasty with there words ain’t it time to calm down no words on a swingers site will change Brexit even if you change one leavers mind or all what will that give you nothing I’m guilty of wind ups aswell but howay there’s no need for the shit we get on here |
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"Cant see how you can compare the EC and they EU as they are completely different, the EC was purely about trade, the EU is a lot lot more.
I agree, but the UK agreed and voted on every proposal that allowed the EC to turn into the EU?
Yes they did, but they never asked the people of this country if that was there wish to join the new EU, they just signed us up even though the changes were quite considerable to say the least and ever since the maastricht treaty there have been noises for a referendum in this country.
The MPs were all democratically voted in to parliament? Are you suggesting that we should have a referendum every time parliament has to make a significant decision? "
When it changes the entire countries future course and effects so many peoples day to day lives and there livelihoods then yes I think we as a country should have chance to have a say, to me thats democratic, it is essentially what Scotland are saying when they are now campaigning for a new referendum on the union is it not? Or do you believe they shud put up and shut up so to speak? |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division.
Did you accept the EU referendum in 1975?
The EU did not exist in 1975 and we never had a referendum on it.
We did however have a referendum in 1975 on remaining in the European Communities (Common market).
I have no doubt if the EC still existed today and not the EU the UK would still be a member.
Ok, so why didn’t you respect the referendum in 1975 to stay in the EC? Did the UK parliament vote in favour of the Maastricht treaty in 1993 ?
Yep the Conservative Government got the Masstricht treaty though parliament which meant the UK joined the EU.
However on 20th April 2004 PM Tony Blair declared he would let the people have the final say by holding a referendum. However he then changed his tune at the Labour party conference.
So you didn’t accept the democratic decision of MPs that passed the Maastricht treaty through parliament? Maybe Tony Blair was lying when he promised a referendum, I am sure you will agree that it’s not a big deal if the PM tells lies??
Well we did find out later on that Tony Blair lied about WMD didnt we.
Funny how certain people blame the Conservative party for Brexit when acctually they we the party who got us in the EU in the first place and they all seem to forget the Labour party were not so keen on it.
I also can't remember petitions, marches, legal action and anyone 4 years later moaning as much as some people on here after the Masstricht treaty went though parliament.
Yeah, but it’s ok for a PM to lie? Did you vote for Boris? Why would they moan about the Maastricht treaty being passed? A few rebel MPs didn’t accept the vote aswell as Farage, why didn’t they just accept the will of the people and democracy ?
You really need to understand the difference in a parliament vote and a referendum.
A parliament vote can not be classed as the will of the people.
Yes MPs are vote in by the people of their constituency but generally to represent them locally at Parliament.
A referendum is a nation wide vote where the people decide. That is will of the people.
Ah, my mistake, it wasn’t the ‘will of the people’ just a decision made by MPs who had been democratically voted into parliament by the people? When did you decide that the U.K. should leave the EU? And why couldn’t you and the rest of the leave voters accept the democratic vote of the MPs in Parliament? "
Like I said if you bothered to read and understand I cant remember being that many protests about it.
However in 2009 we had the Lisbon treaty. Over 95% the same as the Masstricht but a different treaty all the same. Ireland had a referendum on it and the Irish people rejected it. The EU panicked and did some deals with Ireland and told them to have another referendum. The second one scrapped through and was accepted. After that the UK parliament was no way going to have a referendum however that then lite the flame for calls on a referendum.
So we come to your point about accepting the democratic vote of MP's. In 2015 the MPs had a vote whether to hold a EU referendum or not. 544 MPs voted in favour of the referendum.
So yes I accept they had a vote to hold a referendum and the people of the UK voted to leave. The will of the people as you quoted earlier. |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?yes it is divided we had a vote one side won one lost not all remainers can’t accept the vote I’d say lots on here are struggling and some on here can be nasty with there words ain’t it time to calm down no words on a swingers site will change Brexit even if you change one leavers mind or all what will that give you nothing I’m guilty of wind ups aswell but howay there’s no need for the shit we get on here "
This is my point, you’re expecting remain voters to accept the vote but you leave voters couldn’t accept the fact that we voted to join the EC in 1975 then a democratic government then voted to pass every treaty that lead to the current EU. Do you think the likes of Farage, Duncan Smith, Leadsom etc all accepted that we should respect the democratic votes from the past? I accept the result of the 2016 referendum but nobody (leave or remain) should accept the current shit show . |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?"
I can see little evidence that we are a divided country. Most people have little interest in politics ao most of the issues discussed on here have little relevance to them. However, come election time they analyse the policies and plans of each party, probably discuss them with families and work collegues and cast their vote accordingly. The only people who think that the country is divided are those who are members of the woke brigade who do their utmost to divide the country. |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division. "
Obviously that's complete speculation and wrong.. |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division.
Did you accept the EU referendum in 1975?
The EU did not exist in 1975 and we never had a referendum on it.
We did however have a referendum in 1975 on remaining in the European Communities (Common market).
I have no doubt if the EC still existed today and not the EU the UK would still be a member.
Ok, so why didn’t you respect the referendum in 1975 to stay in the EC? Did the UK parliament vote in favour of the Maastricht treaty in 1993 ?
Yep the Conservative Government got the Masstricht treaty though parliament which meant the UK joined the EU.
However on 20th April 2004 PM Tony Blair declared he would let the people have the final say by holding a referendum. However he then changed his tune at the Labour party conference.
So you didn’t accept the democratic decision of MPs that passed the Maastricht treaty through parliament? Maybe Tony Blair was lying when he promised a referendum, I am sure you will agree that it’s not a big deal if the PM tells lies??
Well we did find out later on that Tony Blair lied about WMD didnt we.
Funny how certain people blame the Conservative party for Brexit when acctually they we the party who got us in the EU in the first place and they all seem to forget the Labour party were not so keen on it.
I also can't remember petitions, marches, legal action and anyone 4 years later moaning as much as some people on here after the Masstricht treaty went though parliament.
Yeah, but it’s ok for a PM to lie? Did you vote for Boris? Why would they moan about the Maastricht treaty being passed? A few rebel MPs didn’t accept the vote aswell as Farage, why didn’t they just accept the will of the people and democracy ?
You really need to understand the difference in a parliament vote and a referendum.
A parliament vote can not be classed as the will of the people.
Yes MPs are vote in by the people of their constituency but generally to represent them locally at Parliament.
A referendum is a nation wide vote where the people decide. That is will of the people.
Ah, my mistake, it wasn’t the ‘will of the people’ just a decision made by MPs who had been democratically voted into parliament by the people? When did you decide that the U.K. should leave the EU? And why couldn’t you and the rest of the leave voters accept the democratic vote of the MPs in Parliament?
Like I said if you bothered to read and understand I cant remember being that many protests about it.
However in 2009 we had the Lisbon treaty. Over 95% the same as the Masstricht but a different treaty all the same. Ireland had a referendum on it and the Irish people rejected it. The EU panicked and did some deals with Ireland and told them to have another referendum. The second one scrapped through and was accepted. After that the UK parliament was no way going to have a referendum however that then lite the flame for calls on a referendum.
So we come to your point about accepting the democratic vote of MP's. In 2015 the MPs had a vote whether to hold a EU referendum or not. 544 MPs voted in favour of the referendum.
So yes I accept they had a vote to hold a referendum and the people of the UK voted to leave. The will of the people as you quoted earlier. "
Your missing my point, you stated that remain voters should just accept the result of the 2016 referendum despite the fact the leaders of the leave campaign refused to accept the 1975 referendum and all the subsequent votes in parliament. Why did we need to have a referendum in 2016, why could the people pushing for this just accept democracy? You voted to leave, we are leaving, it would be hypocritical of you to expect that all remain voters just accept this? Don’t you agree ? |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?yes it is divided we had a vote one side won one lost not all remainers can’t accept the vote I’d say lots on here are struggling and some on here can be nasty with there words ain’t it time to calm down no words on a swingers site will change Brexit even if you change one leavers mind or all what will that give you nothing I’m guilty of wind ups aswell but howay there’s no need for the shit we get on here "
We were divided before Brexit
That just made it worse. |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us? I can see little evidence that we are a divided country. Most people have little interest in politics ao most of the issues discussed on here have little relevance to them. However, come election time they analyse the policies and plans of each party, probably discuss them with families and work collegues and cast their vote accordingly. The only people who think that the country is divided are those who are members of the woke brigade who do their utmost to divide the country. "
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us? I can see little evidence that we are a divided country. Most people have little interest in politics ao most of the issues discussed on here have little relevance to them. However, come election time they analyse the policies and plans of each party, probably discuss them with families and work collegues and cast their vote accordingly. The only people who think that the country is divided are those who are members of the woke brigade who do their utmost to divide the country. "
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division.
Did you accept the EU referendum in 1975?
The EU did not exist in 1975 and we never had a referendum on it.
We did however have a referendum in 1975 on remaining in the European Communities (Common market).
I have no doubt if the EC still existed today and not the EU the UK would still be a member.
Ok, so why didn’t you respect the referendum in 1975 to stay in the EC? Did the UK parliament vote in favour of the Maastricht treaty in 1993 ?
Yep the Conservative Government got the Masstricht treaty though parliament which meant the UK joined the EU.
However on 20th April 2004 PM Tony Blair declared he would let the people have the final say by holding a referendum. However he then changed his tune at the Labour party conference.
So you didn’t accept the democratic decision of MPs that passed the Maastricht treaty through parliament? Maybe Tony Blair was lying when he promised a referendum, I am sure you will agree that it’s not a big deal if the PM tells lies??
Well we did find out later on that Tony Blair lied about WMD didnt we.
Funny how certain people blame the Conservative party for Brexit when acctually they we the party who got us in the EU in the first place and they all seem to forget the Labour party were not so keen on it.
I also can't remember petitions, marches, legal action and anyone 4 years later moaning as much as some people on here after the Masstricht treaty went though parliament.
Yeah, but it’s ok for a PM to lie? Did you vote for Boris? Why would they moan about the Maastricht treaty being passed? A few rebel MPs didn’t accept the vote aswell as Farage, why didn’t they just accept the will of the people and democracy ?
You really need to understand the difference in a parliament vote and a referendum.
A parliament vote can not be classed as the will of the people.
Yes MPs are vote in by the people of their constituency but generally to represent them locally at Parliament.
A referendum is a nation wide vote where the people decide. That is will of the people.
Ah, my mistake, it wasn’t the ‘will of the people’ just a decision made by MPs who had been democratically voted into parliament by the people? When did you decide that the U.K. should leave the EU? And why couldn’t you and the rest of the leave voters accept the democratic vote of the MPs in Parliament?
Like I said if you bothered to read and understand I cant remember being that many protests about it.
However in 2009 we had the Lisbon treaty. Over 95% the same as the Masstricht but a different treaty all the same. Ireland had a referendum on it and the Irish people rejected it. The EU panicked and did some deals with Ireland and told them to have another referendum. The second one scrapped through and was accepted. After that the UK parliament was no way going to have a referendum however that then lite the flame for calls on a referendum.
So we come to your point about accepting the democratic vote of MP's. In 2015 the MPs had a vote whether to hold a EU referendum or not. 544 MPs voted in favour of the referendum.
So yes I accept they had a vote to hold a referendum and the people of the UK voted to leave. The will of the people as you quoted earlier.
Your missing my point, you stated that remain voters should just accept the result of the 2016 referendum despite the fact the leaders of the leave campaign refused to accept the 1975 referendum and all the subsequent votes in parliament. Why did we need to have a referendum in 2016, why could the people pushing for this just accept democracy? You voted to leave, we are leaving, it would be hypocritical of you to expect that all remain voters just accept this? Don’t you agree ? "
If you fail to understand the difference between what the EC was and what the EU is there really is no point in you posting about them.
You really need to read up on them. |
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Are other countries divided as us?
I read something saying that New Zealand politics is much more level headed and normal, and putting that down to there not being any Murdoch owned media in the country.
Makes you wonder what this country could be without the Mail and Express telling everyone how awful foreigners are every day. "
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"A vote took us in ( or to be more accurate kept us in) and a vote took us out. Both were respected (eventually). In the future if there is the will another vote may again take us back in"
If there's one thing we've learned from all this. Referendums are an utter failure, the media and propaganda can make people vote for anything they want them to.
Unless they can make them free and fair. There shouldn't be anymore. |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division.
Did you accept the EU referendum in 1975?
The EU did not exist in 1975 and we never had a referendum on it.
We did however have a referendum in 1975 on remaining in the European Communities (Common market).
I have no doubt if the EC still existed today and not the EU the UK would still be a member.
Ok, so why didn’t you respect the referendum in 1975 to stay in the EC? Did the UK parliament vote in favour of the Maastricht treaty in 1993 ?
Yep the Conservative Government got the Masstricht treaty though parliament which meant the UK joined the EU.
However on 20th April 2004 PM Tony Blair declared he would let the people have the final say by holding a referendum. However he then changed his tune at the Labour party conference.
So you didn’t accept the democratic decision of MPs that passed the Maastricht treaty through parliament? Maybe Tony Blair was lying when he promised a referendum, I am sure you will agree that it’s not a big deal if the PM tells lies??
Well we did find out later on that Tony Blair lied about WMD didnt we.
Funny how certain people blame the Conservative party for Brexit when acctually they we the party who got us in the EU in the first place and they all seem to forget the Labour party were not so keen on it.
I also can't remember petitions, marches, legal action and anyone 4 years later moaning as much as some people on here after the Masstricht treaty went though parliament.
Yeah, but it’s ok for a PM to lie? Did you vote for Boris? Why would they moan about the Maastricht treaty being passed? A few rebel MPs didn’t accept the vote aswell as Farage, why didn’t they just accept the will of the people and democracy ?
You really need to understand the difference in a parliament vote and a referendum.
A parliament vote can not be classed as the will of the people.
Yes MPs are vote in by the people of their constituency but generally to represent them locally at Parliament.
A referendum is a nation wide vote where the people decide. That is will of the people.
Ah, my mistake, it wasn’t the ‘will of the people’ just a decision made by MPs who had been democratically voted into parliament by the people? When did you decide that the U.K. should leave the EU? And why couldn’t you and the rest of the leave voters accept the democratic vote of the MPs in Parliament?
Like I said if you bothered to read and understand I cant remember being that many protests about it.
However in 2009 we had the Lisbon treaty. Over 95% the same as the Masstricht but a different treaty all the same. Ireland had a referendum on it and the Irish people rejected it. The EU panicked and did some deals with Ireland and told them to have another referendum. The second one scrapped through and was accepted. After that the UK parliament was no way going to have a referendum however that then lite the flame for calls on a referendum.
So we come to your point about accepting the democratic vote of MP's. In 2015 the MPs had a vote whether to hold a EU referendum or not. 544 MPs voted in favour of the referendum.
So yes I accept they had a vote to hold a referendum and the people of the UK voted to leave. The will of the people as you quoted earlier.
Your missing my point, you stated that remain voters should just accept the result of the 2016 referendum despite the fact the leaders of the leave campaign refused to accept the 1975 referendum and all the subsequent votes in parliament. Why did we need to have a referendum in 2016, why could the people pushing for this just accept democracy? You voted to leave, we are leaving, it would be hypocritical of you to expect that all remain voters just accept this? Don’t you agree ?
If you fail to understand the difference between what the EC was and what the EU is there really is no point in you posting about them.
You really need to read up on them."
I know the difference, do you know the difference between a great easy trade deal and a no deal? I will ask you again, why didn’t the people who were pushing for an EU referendum accept democracy? Why did we need to have a referendum? Can remain voters start campaigning for another referendum to re join he EU if it turns out that Brexit is a disaster? |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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i think a lot of the resentment with regards to the covid response is that you could argue that it was london and the south east high covid numbers that dragged the nation into the initial lockdown....
but now because its the north having most of the issues the tories want to keep the restrictions "local" rather the circuit break approach! |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"i think a lot of the resentment with regards to the covid response is that you could argue that it was london and the south east high covid numbers that dragged the nation into the initial lockdown....
but now because its the north having most of the issues the tories want to keep the restrictions "local" rather the circuit break approach!"
Do you really believe its right to shut down parts of the country where there is very few cases, where i am its 39.7 per 100k N norfolk is even lower why should these people be suspended from work because the numbers are very high else where? |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division.
Did you accept the EU referendum in 1975?
The EU did not exist in 1975 and we never had a referendum on it.
We did however have a referendum in 1975 on remaining in the European Communities (Common market).
I have no doubt if the EC still existed today and not the EU the UK would still be a member.
Ok, so why didn’t you respect the referendum in 1975 to stay in the EC? Did the UK parliament vote in favour of the Maastricht treaty in 1993 ?
Yep the Conservative Government got the Masstricht treaty though parliament which meant the UK joined the EU.
However on 20th April 2004 PM Tony Blair declared he would let the people have the final say by holding a referendum. However he then changed his tune at the Labour party conference.
So you didn’t accept the democratic decision of MPs that passed the Maastricht treaty through parliament? Maybe Tony Blair was lying when he promised a referendum, I am sure you will agree that it’s not a big deal if the PM tells lies??
Well we did find out later on that Tony Blair lied about WMD didnt we.
Funny how certain people blame the Conservative party for Brexit when acctually they we the party who got us in the EU in the first place and they all seem to forget the Labour party were not so keen on it.
I also can't remember petitions, marches, legal action and anyone 4 years later moaning as much as some people on here after the Masstricht treaty went though parliament.
Yeah, but it’s ok for a PM to lie? Did you vote for Boris? Why would they moan about the Maastricht treaty being passed? A few rebel MPs didn’t accept the vote aswell as Farage, why didn’t they just accept the will of the people and democracy ?
You really need to understand the difference in a parliament vote and a referendum.
A parliament vote can not be classed as the will of the people.
Yes MPs are vote in by the people of their constituency but generally to represent them locally at Parliament.
A referendum is a nation wide vote where the people decide. That is will of the people.
Ah, my mistake, it wasn’t the ‘will of the people’ just a decision made by MPs who had been democratically voted into parliament by the people? When did you decide that the U.K. should leave the EU? And why couldn’t you and the rest of the leave voters accept the democratic vote of the MPs in Parliament?
Like I said if you bothered to read and understand I cant remember being that many protests about it.
However in 2009 we had the Lisbon treaty. Over 95% the same as the Masstricht but a different treaty all the same. Ireland had a referendum on it and the Irish people rejected it. The EU panicked and did some deals with Ireland and told them to have another referendum. The second one scrapped through and was accepted. After that the UK parliament was no way going to have a referendum however that then lite the flame for calls on a referendum.
So we come to your point about accepting the democratic vote of MP's. In 2015 the MPs had a vote whether to hold a EU referendum or not. 544 MPs voted in favour of the referendum.
So yes I accept they had a vote to hold a referendum and the people of the UK voted to leave. The will of the people as you quoted earlier.
Your missing my point, you stated that remain voters should just accept the result of the 2016 referendum despite the fact the leaders of the leave campaign refused to accept the 1975 referendum and all the subsequent votes in parliament. Why did we need to have a referendum in 2016, why could the people pushing for this just accept democracy? You voted to leave, we are leaving, it would be hypocritical of you to expect that all remain voters just accept this? Don’t you agree ?
If you fail to understand the difference between what the EC was and what the EU is there really is no point in you posting about them.
You really need to read up on them.
I know the difference, do you know the difference between a great easy trade deal and a no deal? I will ask you again, why didn’t the people who were pushing for an EU referendum accept democracy? Why did we need to have a referendum? Can remain voters start campaigning for another referendum to re join he EU if it turns out that Brexit is a disaster? "
We had a referendum because parliament voted to have a referendum.
The only party and I mean the only party who voted against the referendum was the SNP 53 MP's. All other MP's from any party either voted for it 544 MP's or didn't bother to vote 49 MP's.
That is democracy.
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"i think a lot of the resentment with regards to the covid response is that you could argue that it was london and the south east high covid numbers that dragged the nation into the initial lockdown....
but now because its the north having most of the issues the tories want to keep the restrictions "local" rather the circuit break approach!"
spot in Fabio I called that when blowjob refused to lock London down after the tube was all over the news rammed to the rafters I just knew soon as the shoe was on the other foot we would do local lockdowns all init together apart from London Covid is the new north south divide |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"A vote took us in ( or to be more accurate kept us in) and a vote took us out. Both were respected (eventually). In the future if there is the will another vote may again take us back in
If there's one thing we've learned from all this. Referendums are an utter failure, the media and propaganda can make people vote for anything they want them to.
Unless they can make them free and fair. There shouldn't be anymore."
so no referendum to take us back in then? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"i think a lot of the resentment with regards to the covid response is that you could argue that it was london and the south east high covid numbers that dragged the nation into the initial lockdown....
but now because its the north having most of the issues the tories want to keep the restrictions "local" rather the circuit break approach! spot in Fabio I called that when blowjob refused to lock London down after the tube was all over the news rammed to the rafters I just knew soon as the shoe was on the other foot we would do local lockdowns all init together apart from London Covid is the new north south divide "
Of course you did it was new nearly every country put their countries on full lockdown at the time.Now most countries are using local lockdowns but as usual people in the uk try to make out its a north v south thing which is total bollocks. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division.
Did you accept the EU referendum in 1975?
The EU did not exist in 1975 and we never had a referendum on it.
We did however have a referendum in 1975 on remaining in the European Communities (Common market).
I have no doubt if the EC still existed today and not the EU the UK would still be a member.
Ok, so why didn’t you respect the referendum in 1975 to stay in the EC? Did the UK parliament vote in favour of the Maastricht treaty in 1993 ?
Yep the Conservative Government got the Masstricht treaty though parliament which meant the UK joined the EU.
However on 20th April 2004 PM Tony Blair declared he would let the people have the final say by holding a referendum. However he then changed his tune at the Labour party conference.
So you didn’t accept the democratic decision of MPs that passed the Maastricht treaty through parliament? Maybe Tony Blair was lying when he promised a referendum, I am sure you will agree that it’s not a big deal if the PM tells lies??
Well we did find out later on that Tony Blair lied about WMD didnt we.
Funny how certain people blame the Conservative party for Brexit when acctually they we the party who got us in the EU in the first place and they all seem to forget the Labour party were not so keen on it.
I also can't remember petitions, marches, legal action and anyone 4 years later moaning as much as some people on here after the Masstricht treaty went though parliament.
Yeah, but it’s ok for a PM to lie? Did you vote for Boris? Why would they moan about the Maastricht treaty being passed? A few rebel MPs didn’t accept the vote aswell as Farage, why didn’t they just accept the will of the people and democracy ?
You really need to understand the difference in a parliament vote and a referendum.
A parliament vote can not be classed as the will of the people.
Yes MPs are vote in by the people of their constituency but generally to represent them locally at Parliament.
A referendum is a nation wide vote where the people decide. That is will of the people.
Ah, my mistake, it wasn’t the ‘will of the people’ just a decision made by MPs who had been democratically voted into parliament by the people? When did you decide that the U.K. should leave the EU? And why couldn’t you and the rest of the leave voters accept the democratic vote of the MPs in Parliament?
Like I said if you bothered to read and understand I cant remember being that many protests about it.
However in 2009 we had the Lisbon treaty. Over 95% the same as the Masstricht but a different treaty all the same. Ireland had a referendum on it and the Irish people rejected it. The EU panicked and did some deals with Ireland and told them to have another referendum. The second one scrapped through and was accepted. After that the UK parliament was no way going to have a referendum however that then lite the flame for calls on a referendum.
So we come to your point about accepting the democratic vote of MP's. In 2015 the MPs had a vote whether to hold a EU referendum or not. 544 MPs voted in favour of the referendum.
So yes I accept they had a vote to hold a referendum and the people of the UK voted to leave. The will of the people as you quoted earlier.
Your missing my point, you stated that remain voters should just accept the result of the 2016 referendum despite the fact the leaders of the leave campaign refused to accept the 1975 referendum and all the subsequent votes in parliament. Why did we need to have a referendum in 2016, why could the people pushing for this just accept democracy? You voted to leave, we are leaving, it would be hypocritical of you to expect that all remain voters just accept this? Don’t you agree ?
If you fail to understand the difference between what the EC was and what the EU is there really is no point in you posting about them.
You really need to read up on them.
I know the difference, do you know the difference between a great easy trade deal and a no deal? I will ask you again, why didn’t the people who were pushing for an EU referendum accept democracy? Why did we need to have a referendum? Can remain voters start campaigning for another referendum to re join he EU if it turns out that Brexit is a disaster? "
Of course they can campaign, start / join political parties ect to rejoin. I believe the Lib dems back this view and also the greens so some already established parties to join. Secure another referendum and win it then job done |
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"i think a lot of the resentment with regards to the covid response is that you could argue that it was london and the south east high covid numbers that dragged the nation into the initial lockdown....
but now because its the north having most of the issues the tories want to keep the restrictions "local" rather the circuit break approach! spot in Fabio I called that when blowjob refused to lock London down after the tube was all over the news rammed to the rafters I just knew soon as the shoe was on the other foot we would do local lockdowns all init together apart from London Covid is the new north south divide Of course you did it was new nearly every country put their countries on full lockdown at the time.Now most countries are using local lockdowns but as usual people in the uk try to make out its a north v south thing which is total bollocks."
i don’t think it’s ppl in the U.K. it’s ppl in the north don’t think the south can complain |
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"A vote took us in ( or to be more accurate kept us in) and a vote took us out. Both were respected (eventually). In the future if there is the will another vote may again take us back in
If there's one thing we've learned from all this. Referendums are an utter failure, the media and propaganda can make people vote for anything they want them to.
Unless they can make them free and fair. There shouldn't be anymore.
so no referendum to take us back in then?"
I would not be in favour.
Firstly, most of the damage is done. We'd never be allowed back with the same privileges we've just lost.
Secondly, another referendum is unlikely to be free and fair. So could end up making things even worse again.
Thirdly, would likely divide the country further. |
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Are other countries divided as us?
I read something saying that New Zealand politics is much more level headed and normal, and putting that down to there not being any Murdoch owned media in the country.
Makes you wonder what this country could be without the Mail and Express telling everyone how awful foreigners are every day.
We are very bad foreigners , we take your job and women. We also buy your houses and we shit under your bridges and on the streets of Westminster. We eat British swans and take your benefits. We are devils "
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Are other countries divided as us?
I read something saying that New Zealand politics is much more level headed and normal, and putting that down to there not being any Murdoch owned media in the country.
Makes you wonder what this country could be without the Mail and Express telling everyone how awful foreigners are every day.
We are very bad foreigners , we take your job and women. We also buy your houses and we shit under your bridges and on the streets of Westminster. We eat British swans and take your benefits. We are devils
well stop it! "
We can't. We are barbarians. Most of us are stupid barbarians from the Eastern Bloc
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Are other countries divided as us?
I read something saying that New Zealand politics is much more level headed and normal, and putting that down to there not being any Murdoch owned media in the country.
Makes you wonder what this country could be without the Mail and Express telling everyone how awful foreigners are every day.
We are very bad foreigners , we take your job and women. We also buy your houses and we shit under your bridges and on the streets of Westminster. We eat British swans and take your benefits. We are devils
well stop it!
We can't. We are barbarians. Most of us are stupid barbarians from the Eastern Bloc
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no worse than a lot of the people that were here already! |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"i think a lot of the resentment with regards to the covid response is that you could argue that it was london and the south east high covid numbers that dragged the nation into the initial lockdown....
but now because its the north having most of the issues the tories want to keep the restrictions "local" rather the circuit break approach! spot in Fabio I called that when blowjob refused to lock London down after the tube was all over the news rammed to the rafters I just knew soon as the shoe was on the other foot we would do local lockdowns all init together apart from London Covid is the new north south divide Of course you did it was new nearly every country put their countries on full lockdown at the time.Now most countries are using local lockdowns but as usual people in the uk try to make out its a north v south thing which is total bollocks.i don’t think it’s ppl in the U.K. it’s ppl in the north don’t think the south can complain "
Lets face it if only the south had locked down when it first started because it had higher numbers than the north you would have been saying they are all sitting at home getting paid while we are left to work and die.  |
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"i think a lot of the resentment with regards to the covid response is that you could argue that it was london and the south east high covid numbers that dragged the nation into the initial lockdown....
but now because its the north having most of the issues the tories want to keep the restrictions "local" rather the circuit break approach! spot in Fabio I called that when blowjob refused to lock London down after the tube was all over the news rammed to the rafters I just knew soon as the shoe was on the other foot we would do local lockdowns all init together apart from London Covid is the new north south divide Of course you did it was new nearly every country put their countries on full lockdown at the time.Now most countries are using local lockdowns but as usual people in the uk try to make out its a north v south thing which is total bollocks.i don’t think it’s ppl in the U.K. it’s ppl in the north don’t think the south can complain Lets face it if only the south had locked down when it first started because it had higher numbers than the north you would have been saying they are all sitting at home getting paid while we are left to work and die. "
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"i think a lot of the resentment with regards to the covid response is that you could argue that it was london and the south east high covid numbers that dragged the nation into the initial lockdown....
but now because its the north having most of the issues the tories want to keep the restrictions "local" rather the circuit break approach! spot in Fabio I called that when blowjob refused to lock London down after the tube was all over the news rammed to the rafters I just knew soon as the shoe was on the other foot we would do local lockdowns all init together apart from London Covid is the new north south divide Of course you did it was new nearly every country put their countries on full lockdown at the time.Now most countries are using local lockdowns but as usual people in the uk try to make out its a north v south thing which is total bollocks.i don’t think it’s ppl in the U.K. it’s ppl in the north don’t think the south can complain Lets face it if only the south had locked down when it first started because it had higher numbers than the north you would have been saying they are all sitting at home getting paid while we are left to work and die. if it had stayed in the south maybe we wouldn’t of died tho lol"
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"i think a lot of the resentment with regards to the covid response is that you could argue that it was london and the south east high covid numbers that dragged the nation into the initial lockdown....
but now because its the north having most of the issues the tories want to keep the restrictions "local" rather the circuit break approach! spot in Fabio I called that when blowjob refused to lock London down after the tube was all over the news rammed to the rafters I just knew soon as the shoe was on the other foot we would do local lockdowns all init together apart from London Covid is the new north south divide Of course you did it was new nearly every country put their countries on full lockdown at the time.Now most countries are using local lockdowns but as usual people in the uk try to make out its a north v south thing which is total bollocks.i don’t think it’s ppl in the U.K. it’s ppl in the north don’t think the south can complain Lets face it if only the south had locked down when it first started because it had higher numbers than the north you would have been saying they are all sitting at home getting paid while we are left to work and die. if it had stayed in the south maybe we wouldn’t of died tho lolyeah if only it had stayed in china we would all have been ok. "
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Are other countries divided as us?
I read something saying that New Zealand politics is much more level headed and normal, and putting that down to there not being any Murdoch owned media in the country.
Makes you wonder what this country could be without the Mail and Express telling everyone how awful foreigners are every day.
We are very bad foreigners , we take your job and women. We also buy your houses and we shit under your bridges and on the streets of Westminster. We eat British swans and take your benefits. We are devils
well stop it!
We can't. We are barbarians. Most of us are stupid barbarians from the Eastern Bloc
no worse than a lot of the people that were here already! "
Yes. It is true. I wonder how many brexiters there are descendants of barbarians |
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Are other countries divided as us?
I read something saying that New Zealand politics is much more level headed and normal, and putting that down to there not being any Murdoch owned media in the country.
Makes you wonder what this country could be without the Mail and Express telling everyone how awful foreigners are every day.
We are very bad foreigners , we take your job and women. We also buy your houses and we shit under your bridges and on the streets of Westminster. We eat British swans and take your benefits. We are devils
well stop it!
We can't. We are barbarians. Most of us are stupid barbarians from the Eastern Bloc
no worse than a lot of the people that were here already!
Yes. It is true. I wonder how many brexiters there are descendants of barbarians "
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?"
Divisions are not new the same devide was there in the 60's and 70's.
I had to go down south to make a living which I resented.
I do however think that many in the north of England have a chip on there shoulder and need to have a better attitude and stop blaming everyone else. |
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Are other countries divided as us?
I read something saying that New Zealand politics is much more level headed and normal, and putting that down to there not being any Murdoch owned media in the country.
Makes you wonder what this country could be without the Mail and Express telling everyone how awful foreigners are every day.
We are very bad foreigners , we take your job and women. We also buy your houses and we shit under your bridges and on the streets of Westminster. We eat British swans and take your benefits. We are devils
well stop it!
We can't. We are barbarians. Most of us are stupid barbarians from the Eastern Bloc
no worse than a lot of the people that were here already!
Yes. It is true. I wonder how many brexiters there are descendants of barbarians "
arnt we all descendants of Africa is that in the EU lol |
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Are other countries divided as us?
I read something saying that New Zealand politics is much more level headed and normal, and putting that down to there not being any Murdoch owned media in the country.
Makes you wonder what this country could be without the Mail and Express telling everyone how awful foreigners are every day.
We are very bad foreigners , we take your job and women. We also buy your houses and we shit under your bridges and on the streets of Westminster. We eat British swans and take your benefits. We are devils
well stop it!
We can't. We are barbarians. Most of us are stupid barbarians from the Eastern Bloc
no worse than a lot of the people that were here already!
Yes. It is true. I wonder how many brexiters there are descendants of barbarians arnt we all descendants of Africa is that in the EU lol"
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?Divisions are not new the same devide was there in the 60's and 70's.
I had to go down south to make a living which I resented.
I do however think that many in the north of England have a chip on there shoulder and need to have a better attitude and stop blaming everyone else."
Was there a north south divide in the 60s? |
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As an aside the original point wasnt really supposed to be about brexit.
Personally I think the divisions were there beforehand..I think Brexit has just stripped them bare.
What has muddied the waters though,it's not even a north v south or rich v poor divide.Many working class people voted for the most right wing gmnt in years.
Perhaps that's made it even more of a mess |
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over a year ago
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Are other countries divided as us?
I read something saying that New Zealand politics is much more level headed and normal, and putting that down to there not being any Murdoch owned media in the country.
Makes you wonder what this country could be without the Mail and Express telling everyone how awful foreigners are every day.
We are very bad foreigners , we take your job and women. We also buy your houses and we shit under your bridges and on the streets of Westminster. We eat British swans and take your benefits. We are devils
well stop it!
We can't. We are barbarians. Most of us are stupid barbarians from the Eastern Bloc
no worse than a lot of the people that were here already!
Yes. It is true. I wonder how many brexiters there are descendants of barbarians arnt we all descendants of Africa is that in the EU lol"
Doesn't that also apply to the UK?lol |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?Divisions are not new the same devide was there in the 60's and 70's.
I had to go down south to make a living which I resented.
I do however think that many in the north of England have a chip on there shoulder and need to have a better attitude and stop blaming everyone else."
In the 70,s i went to Scotland to earn better money but didnt resent it. |
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"As an aside the original point wasnt really supposed to be about brexit.
Personally I think the divisions were there beforehand..I think Brexit has just stripped them bare.
What has muddied the waters though,it's not even a north v south or rich v poor divide.Many working class people voted for the most right wing gmnt in years.
Perhaps that's made it even more of a mess "
Many working class people feel the labour party no longer represent them at the moment. |
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"As an aside the original point wasnt really supposed to be about brexit.
Personally I think the divisions were there beforehand..I think Brexit has just stripped them bare.
What has muddied the waters though,it's not even a north v south or rich v poor divide.Many working class people voted for the most right wing gmnt in years.
Perhaps that's made it even more of a mess
Many working class people feel the labour party no longer represent them at the moment."
They felt that under new labour and in protest decided to vote for farage and boris. |
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"As an aside the original point wasnt really supposed to be about brexit.
Personally I think the divisions were there beforehand..I think Brexit has just stripped them bare.
What has muddied the waters though,it's not even a north v south or rich v poor divide.Many working class people voted for the most right wing gmnt in years.
Perhaps that's made it even more of a mess
Many working class people feel the labour party no longer represent them at the moment."
But Jacob Rees-Mogg does? |
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over a year ago
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division.
Did you accept the EU referendum in 1975?
The EU did not exist in 1975 and we never had a referendum on it.
We did however have a referendum in 1975 on remaining in the European Communities (Common market).
I have no doubt if the EC still existed today and not the EU the UK would still be a member.
Ok, so why didn’t you respect the referendum in 1975 to stay in the EC? Did the UK parliament vote in favour of the Maastricht treaty in 1993 ?
Yep the Conservative Government got the Masstricht treaty though parliament which meant the UK joined the EU.
However on 20th April 2004 PM Tony Blair declared he would let the people have the final say by holding a referendum. However he then changed his tune at the Labour party conference.
So you didn’t accept the democratic decision of MPs that passed the Maastricht treaty through parliament? Maybe Tony Blair was lying when he promised a referendum, I am sure you will agree that it’s not a big deal if the PM tells lies??
Well we did find out later on that Tony Blair lied about WMD didnt we.
Funny how certain people blame the Conservative party for Brexit when acctually they we the party who got us in the EU in the first place and they all seem to forget the Labour party were not so keen on it.
I also can't remember petitions, marches, legal action and anyone 4 years later moaning as much as some people on here after the Masstricht treaty went though parliament.
Yeah, but it’s ok for a PM to lie? Did you vote for Boris? Why would they moan about the Maastricht treaty being passed? A few rebel MPs didn’t accept the vote aswell as Farage, why didn’t they just accept the will of the people and democracy ?
You really need to understand the difference in a parliament vote and a referendum.
A parliament vote can not be classed as the will of the people.
Yes MPs are vote in by the people of their constituency but generally to represent them locally at Parliament.
A referendum is a nation wide vote where the people decide. That is will of the people.
Ah, my mistake, it wasn’t the ‘will of the people’ just a decision made by MPs who had been democratically voted into parliament by the people? When did you decide that the U.K. should leave the EU? And why couldn’t you and the rest of the leave voters accept the democratic vote of the MPs in Parliament?
Like I said if you bothered to read and understand I cant remember being that many protests about it.
However in 2009 we had the Lisbon treaty. Over 95% the same as the Masstricht but a different treaty all the same. Ireland had a referendum on it and the Irish people rejected it. The EU panicked and did some deals with Ireland and told them to have another referendum. The second one scrapped through and was accepted. After that the UK parliament was no way going to have a referendum however that then lite the flame for calls on a referendum.
So we come to your point about accepting the democratic vote of MP's. In 2015 the MPs had a vote whether to hold a EU referendum or not. 544 MPs voted in favour of the referendum.
So yes I accept they had a vote to hold a referendum and the people of the UK voted to leave. The will of the people as you quoted earlier.
Your missing my point, you stated that remain voters should just accept the result of the 2016 referendum despite the fact the leaders of the leave campaign refused to accept the 1975 referendum and all the subsequent votes in parliament. Why did we need to have a referendum in 2016, why could the people pushing for this just accept democracy? You voted to leave, we are leaving, it would be hypocritical of you to expect that all remain voters just accept this? Don’t you agree ?
If you fail to understand the difference between what the EC was and what the EU is there really is no point in you posting about them.
You really need to read up on them.
I know the difference, do you know the difference between a great easy trade deal and a no deal? I will ask you again, why didn’t the people who were pushing for an EU referendum accept democracy? Why did we need to have a referendum? Can remain voters start campaigning for another referendum to re join he EU if it turns out that Brexit is a disaster?
We had a referendum because parliament voted to have a referendum.
The only party and I mean the only party who voted against the referendum was the SNP 53 MP's. All other MP's from any party either voted for it 544 MP's or didn't bother to vote 49 MP's.
That is democracy.
One minute you argue for democracy when it suits you the next you are against it!"
Again, your missing my point entirely . You says that the divide in this country was due to remain voters not accepting the result of the 2016 referendum. I disagree, the divide was caused by leave voters never accepting our membership of the EU ( that had been agreed democratically) and forced a referendum . The fact that the leaving process has been an absolute disaster and will cost the economy 100s of billions just goes to show that it was never a good idea. If you and your fellow leave voters couldn’t accept our membership of the EU can you explain why remain voters should accept the 2016 referendum result? |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?"
Oh man you should try living in Scotland! Division within division within divisions |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division.
Did you accept the EU referendum in 1975?
The EU did not exist in 1975 and we never had a referendum on it.
We did however have a referendum in 1975 on remaining in the European Communities (Common market).
I have no doubt if the EC still existed today and not the EU the UK would still be a member.
Ok, so why didn’t you respect the referendum in 1975 to stay in the EC? Did the UK parliament vote in favour of the Maastricht treaty in 1993 ?
Yep the Conservative Government got the Masstricht treaty though parliament which meant the UK joined the EU.
However on 20th April 2004 PM Tony Blair declared he would let the people have the final say by holding a referendum. However he then changed his tune at the Labour party conference.
So you didn’t accept the democratic decision of MPs that passed the Maastricht treaty through parliament? Maybe Tony Blair was lying when he promised a referendum, I am sure you will agree that it’s not a big deal if the PM tells lies??
Well we did find out later on that Tony Blair lied about WMD didnt we.
Funny how certain people blame the Conservative party for Brexit when acctually they we the party who got us in the EU in the first place and they all seem to forget the Labour party were not so keen on it.
I also can't remember petitions, marches, legal action and anyone 4 years later moaning as much as some people on here after the Masstricht treaty went though parliament.
Yeah, but it’s ok for a PM to lie? Did you vote for Boris? Why would they moan about the Maastricht treaty being passed? A few rebel MPs didn’t accept the vote aswell as Farage, why didn’t they just accept the will of the people and democracy ?
You really need to understand the difference in a parliament vote and a referendum.
A parliament vote can not be classed as the will of the people.
Yes MPs are vote in by the people of their constituency but generally to represent them locally at Parliament.
A referendum is a nation wide vote where the people decide. That is will of the people.
Ah, my mistake, it wasn’t the ‘will of the people’ just a decision made by MPs who had been democratically voted into parliament by the people? When did you decide that the U.K. should leave the EU? And why couldn’t you and the rest of the leave voters accept the democratic vote of the MPs in Parliament?
Like I said if you bothered to read and understand I cant remember being that many protests about it.
However in 2009 we had the Lisbon treaty. Over 95% the same as the Masstricht but a different treaty all the same. Ireland had a referendum on it and the Irish people rejected it. The EU panicked and did some deals with Ireland and told them to have another referendum. The second one scrapped through and was accepted. After that the UK parliament was no way going to have a referendum however that then lite the flame for calls on a referendum.
So we come to your point about accepting the democratic vote of MP's. In 2015 the MPs had a vote whether to hold a EU referendum or not. 544 MPs voted in favour of the referendum.
So yes I accept they had a vote to hold a referendum and the people of the UK voted to leave. The will of the people as you quoted earlier.
Your missing my point, you stated that remain voters should just accept the result of the 2016 referendum despite the fact the leaders of the leave campaign refused to accept the 1975 referendum and all the subsequent votes in parliament. Why did we need to have a referendum in 2016, why could the people pushing for this just accept democracy? You voted to leave, we are leaving, it would be hypocritical of you to expect that all remain voters just accept this? Don’t you agree ?
If you fail to understand the difference between what the EC was and what the EU is there really is no point in you posting about them.
You really need to read up on them.
I know the difference, do you know the difference between a great easy trade deal and a no deal? I will ask you again, why didn’t the people who were pushing for an EU referendum accept democracy? Why did we need to have a referendum? Can remain voters start campaigning for another referendum to re join he EU if it turns out that Brexit is a disaster?
We had a referendum because parliament voted to have a referendum.
The only party and I mean the only party who voted against the referendum was the SNP 53 MP's. All other MP's from any party either voted for it 544 MP's or didn't bother to vote 49 MP's.
That is democracy.
One minute you argue for democracy when it suits you the next you are against it!
Again, your missing my point entirely . You says that the divide in this country was due to remain voters not accepting the result of the 2016 referendum. I disagree, the divide was caused by leave voters never accepting our membership of the EU ( that had been agreed democratically) and forced a referendum . The fact that the leaving process has been an absolute disaster and will cost the economy 100s of billions just goes to show that it was never a good idea. If you and your fellow leave voters couldn’t accept our membership of the EU can you explain why remain voters should accept the 2016 referendum result? "
I'm going to use your own logic in explaining this to you.
You say the UK membership was decided democratically by Parliment.
So to hold a referendum on the EU was decided democratically by Parliment.
The people did not force the MP's to have the referendum. In fact 4/5's of MP's agreed to have referendum after they voted in favour of having one.
Like I said before, you only like democracy when it works in your point of view. Unfortunately for you it does not work that way. |
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"Cant see how you can compare the EC and they EU as they are completely different, the EC was purely about trade, the EU is a lot lot more.
I agree, but the UK agreed and voted on every proposal that allowed the EC to turn into the EU?
Yes they did, but they never asked the people of this country if that was there wish to join the new EU, they just signed us up even though the changes were quite considerable to say the least and ever since the maastricht treaty there have been noises for a referendum in this country.
The MPs were all democratically voted in to parliament? Are you suggesting that we should have a referendum every time parliament has to make a significant decision?
When it changes the entire countries future course and effects so many peoples day to day lives and there livelihoods then yes I think we as a country should have chance to have a say, to me thats democratic, it is essentially what Scotland are saying when they are now campaigning for a new referendum on the union is it not? Or do you believe they shud put up and shut up so to speak?"
Ah, so you are arguing that we really should have another referendum now on what should happen in January, and the current situation is 100% opposite from everything that was proposed and promised 4 years ago and at every stage since. Even at the stage of making the Withdrawal Agreement, BJ categorically denied any possibility of ending up with no trading deal. Again and again the PM has stated that it would be the easiest deal in the world and that everyone would be far better off with Brexit.
In your own words "When it changes the entire countries future course and effects so many peoples day to day lives and there livelihoods then yes I think we as a country should have chance to have a say, to me thats democratic". The brexit we are getting has no connection at all with the brexit that people voted on. So denying the people a say in this new type of brexit is denying democracy. Your own words. |
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By *uietbloke67Man
over a year ago
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?"
Are you refering to England as the single entity nation or the Uk as the nation and England the only nation that counts. |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Are you refering to England as the single entity nation or the Uk as the nation and England the only nation that counts."
England.
Us and the Scots and irish have never been particularly harmonious. |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Oh man you should try living in Scotland! Division within division within divisions "
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division.
Did you accept the EU referendum in 1975?
The EU did not exist in 1975 and we never had a referendum on it.
We did however have a referendum in 1975 on remaining in the European Communities (Common market).
I have no doubt if the EC still existed today and not the EU the UK would still be a member.
Ok, so why didn’t you respect the referendum in 1975 to stay in the EC? Did the UK parliament vote in favour of the Maastricht treaty in 1993 ?
Yep the Conservative Government got the Masstricht treaty though parliament which meant the UK joined the EU.
However on 20th April 2004 PM Tony Blair declared he would let the people have the final say by holding a referendum. However he then changed his tune at the Labour party conference.
So you didn’t accept the democratic decision of MPs that passed the Maastricht treaty through parliament? Maybe Tony Blair was lying when he promised a referendum, I am sure you will agree that it’s not a big deal if the PM tells lies??
Well we did find out later on that Tony Blair lied about WMD didnt we.
Funny how certain people blame the Conservative party for Brexit when acctually they we the party who got us in the EU in the first place and they all seem to forget the Labour party were not so keen on it.
I also can't remember petitions, marches, legal action and anyone 4 years later moaning as much as some people on here after the Masstricht treaty went though parliament.
Yeah, but it’s ok for a PM to lie? Did you vote for Boris? Why would they moan about the Maastricht treaty being passed? A few rebel MPs didn’t accept the vote aswell as Farage, why didn’t they just accept the will of the people and democracy ?
You really need to understand the difference in a parliament vote and a referendum.
A parliament vote can not be classed as the will of the people.
Yes MPs are vote in by the people of their constituency but generally to represent them locally at Parliament.
A referendum is a nation wide vote where the people decide. That is will of the people.
Ah, my mistake, it wasn’t the ‘will of the people’ just a decision made by MPs who had been democratically voted into parliament by the people? When did you decide that the U.K. should leave the EU? And why couldn’t you and the rest of the leave voters accept the democratic vote of the MPs in Parliament?
Like I said if you bothered to read and understand I cant remember being that many protests about it.
However in 2009 we had the Lisbon treaty. Over 95% the same as the Masstricht but a different treaty all the same. Ireland had a referendum on it and the Irish people rejected it. The EU panicked and did some deals with Ireland and told them to have another referendum. The second one scrapped through and was accepted. After that the UK parliament was no way going to have a referendum however that then lite the flame for calls on a referendum.
So we come to your point about accepting the democratic vote of MP's. In 2015 the MPs had a vote whether to hold a EU referendum or not. 544 MPs voted in favour of the referendum.
So yes I accept they had a vote to hold a referendum and the people of the UK voted to leave. The will of the people as you quoted earlier.
Your missing my point, you stated that remain voters should just accept the result of the 2016 referendum despite the fact the leaders of the leave campaign refused to accept the 1975 referendum and all the subsequent votes in parliament. Why did we need to have a referendum in 2016, why could the people pushing for this just accept democracy? You voted to leave, we are leaving, it would be hypocritical of you to expect that all remain voters just accept this? Don’t you agree ?
If you fail to understand the difference between what the EC was and what the EU is there really is no point in you posting about them.
You really need to read up on them.
I know the difference, do you know the difference between a great easy trade deal and a no deal? I will ask you again, why didn’t the people who were pushing for an EU referendum accept democracy? Why did we need to have a referendum? Can remain voters start campaigning for another referendum to re join he EU if it turns out that Brexit is a disaster?
We had a referendum because parliament voted to have a referendum.
The only party and I mean the only party who voted against the referendum was the SNP 53 MP's. All other MP's from any party either voted for it 544 MP's or didn't bother to vote 49 MP's.
That is democracy.
One minute you argue for democracy when it suits you the next you are against it!
Again, your missing my point entirely . You says that the divide in this country was due to remain voters not accepting the result of the 2016 referendum. I disagree, the divide was caused by leave voters never accepting our membership of the EU ( that had been agreed democratically) and forced a referendum . The fact that the leaving process has been an absolute disaster and will cost the economy 100s of billions just goes to show that it was never a good idea. If you and your fellow leave voters couldn’t accept our membership of the EU can you explain why remain voters should accept the 2016 referendum result?
I'm going to use your own logic in explaining this to you.
You say the UK membership was decided democratically by Parliment.
So to hold a referendum on the EU was decided democratically by Parliment.
The people did not force the MP's to have the referendum. In fact 4/5's of MP's agreed to have referendum after they voted in favour of having one.
Like I said before, you only like democracy when it works in your point of view. Unfortunately for you it does not work that way."
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"Cant see how you can compare the EC and they EU as they are completely different, the EC was purely about trade, the EU is a lot lot more.
I agree, but the UK agreed and voted on every proposal that allowed the EC to turn into the EU?
Yes they did, but they never asked the people of this country if that was there wish to join the new EU, they just signed us up even though the changes were quite considerable to say the least and ever since the maastricht treaty there have been noises for a referendum in this country.
The MPs were all democratically voted in to parliament? Are you suggesting that we should have a referendum every time parliament has to make a significant decision?
When it changes the entire countries future course and effects so many peoples day to day lives and there livelihoods then yes I think we as a country should have chance to have a say, to me thats democratic, it is essentially what Scotland are saying when they are now campaigning for a new referendum on the union is it not? Or do you believe they shud put up and shut up so to speak?
Ah, so you are arguing that we really should have another referendum now on what should happen in January, and the current situation is 100% opposite from everything that was proposed and promised 4 years ago and at every stage since. Even at the stage of making the Withdrawal Agreement, BJ categorically denied any possibility of ending up with no trading deal. Again and again the PM has stated that it would be the easiest deal in the world and that everyone would be far better off with Brexit.
In your own words "When it changes the entire countries future course and effects so many peoples day to day lives and there livelihoods then yes I think we as a country should have chance to have a say, to me thats democratic". The brexit we are getting has no connection at all with the brexit that people voted on. So denying the people a say in this new type of brexit is denying democracy. Your own words."
Actually I was debating with the other op the difference between the EC and the EU and why I thought we should of had a say at the time nothing to do with now really, although YES I guess you could say the same with our current situation, although nobody yet knows exactly what that may be. You clearly voted remain so I really don't know what sort of brexit you expected, you seem to think a lot of promises were made, I remember lots being said by both sides but not many cast iron promises that you could actually hold anyone too, personally I didn't believe a word that was said about deals and all that stuff because rationally the EU were never going to give us a deal which was the same or better, there would be no piont in joining there club if that was the case. |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division.
Did you accept the EU referendum in 1975?
The EU did not exist in 1975 and we never had a referendum on it.
We did however have a referendum in 1975 on remaining in the European Communities (Common market).
I have no doubt if the EC still existed today and not the EU the UK would still be a member.
Ok, so why didn’t you respect the referendum in 1975 to stay in the EC? Did the UK parliament vote in favour of the Maastricht treaty in 1993 ?
Yep the Conservative Government got the Masstricht treaty though parliament which meant the UK joined the EU.
However on 20th April 2004 PM Tony Blair declared he would let the people have the final say by holding a referendum. However he then changed his tune at the Labour party conference.
So you didn’t accept the democratic decision of MPs that passed the Maastricht treaty through parliament? Maybe Tony Blair was lying when he promised a referendum, I am sure you will agree that it’s not a big deal if the PM tells lies??
Well we did find out later on that Tony Blair lied about WMD didnt we.
Funny how certain people blame the Conservative party for Brexit when acctually they we the party who got us in the EU in the first place and they all seem to forget the Labour party were not so keen on it.
I also can't remember petitions, marches, legal action and anyone 4 years later moaning as much as some people on here after the Masstricht treaty went though parliament.
Yeah, but it’s ok for a PM to lie? Did you vote for Boris? Why would they moan about the Maastricht treaty being passed? A few rebel MPs didn’t accept the vote aswell as Farage, why didn’t they just accept the will of the people and democracy ?
You really need to understand the difference in a parliament vote and a referendum.
A parliament vote can not be classed as the will of the people.
Yes MPs are vote in by the people of their constituency but generally to represent them locally at Parliament.
A referendum is a nation wide vote where the people decide. That is will of the people.
Ah, my mistake, it wasn’t the ‘will of the people’ just a decision made by MPs who had been democratically voted into parliament by the people? When did you decide that the U.K. should leave the EU? And why couldn’t you and the rest of the leave voters accept the democratic vote of the MPs in Parliament?
Like I said if you bothered to read and understand I cant remember being that many protests about it.
However in 2009 we had the Lisbon treaty. Over 95% the same as the Masstricht but a different treaty all the same. Ireland had a referendum on it and the Irish people rejected it. The EU panicked and did some deals with Ireland and told them to have another referendum. The second one scrapped through and was accepted. After that the UK parliament was no way going to have a referendum however that then lite the flame for calls on a referendum.
So we come to your point about accepting the democratic vote of MP's. In 2015 the MPs had a vote whether to hold a EU referendum or not. 544 MPs voted in favour of the referendum.
So yes I accept they had a vote to hold a referendum and the people of the UK voted to leave. The will of the people as you quoted earlier.
Your missing my point, you stated that remain voters should just accept the result of the 2016 referendum despite the fact the leaders of the leave campaign refused to accept the 1975 referendum and all the subsequent votes in parliament. Why did we need to have a referendum in 2016, why could the people pushing for this just accept democracy? You voted to leave, we are leaving, it would be hypocritical of you to expect that all remain voters just accept this? Don’t you agree ?
If you fail to understand the difference between what the EC was and what the EU is there really is no point in you posting about them.
You really need to read up on them.
I know the difference, do you know the difference between a great easy trade deal and a no deal? I will ask you again, why didn’t the people who were pushing for an EU referendum accept democracy? Why did we need to have a referendum? Can remain voters start campaigning for another referendum to re join he EU if it turns out that Brexit is a disaster?
We had a referendum because parliament voted to have a referendum.
The only party and I mean the only party who voted against the referendum was the SNP 53 MP's. All other MP's from any party either voted for it 544 MP's or didn't bother to vote 49 MP's.
That is democracy.
One minute you argue for democracy when it suits you the next you are against it!
Again, your missing my point entirely . You says that the divide in this country was due to remain voters not accepting the result of the 2016 referendum. I disagree, the divide was caused by leave voters never accepting our membership of the EU ( that had been agreed democratically) and forced a referendum . The fact that the leaving process has been an absolute disaster and will cost the economy 100s of billions just goes to show that it was never a good idea. If you and your fellow leave voters couldn’t accept our membership of the EU can you explain why remain voters should accept the 2016 referendum result?
I'm going to use your own logic in explaining this to you.
You say the UK membership was decided democratically by Parliment.
So to hold a referendum on the EU was decided democratically by Parliment.
The people did not force the MP's to have the referendum. In fact 4/5's of MP's agreed to have referendum after they voted in favour of having one.
Like I said before, you only like democracy when it works in your point of view. Unfortunately for you it does not work that way.
Your missing the point again, the thread is about a divided nation that you stated was caused by remain voters not accepting the result of the 2016 referendum, do you standby that statement ? "
Going on your lack of understanding that the UK never had an EU referendum in 1975.
Your lack of understanding between the difference between the EC and the EU.
Your lack of understanding between a vote in Parliament by MPs and a referendum.
Using the word democracy when it only suits your view.
Plus there has been a lot said about leave voters being stupid and not informed enough. However you have clearly shown you have no knowledge on the history of the UKs membership into the EU and what it actually is.
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Obviously the people who voted to remain in the EU referendum and still can't accept the leave result are causing a division.
Did you accept the EU referendum in 1975?
The EU did not exist in 1975 and we never had a referendum on it.
We did however have a referendum in 1975 on remaining in the European Communities (Common market).
I have no doubt if the EC still existed today and not the EU the UK would still be a member.
Ok, so why didn’t you respect the referendum in 1975 to stay in the EC? Did the UK parliament vote in favour of the Maastricht treaty in 1993 ?
Yep the Conservative Government got the Masstricht treaty though parliament which meant the UK joined the EU.
However on 20th April 2004 PM Tony Blair declared he would let the people have the final say by holding a referendum. However he then changed his tune at the Labour party conference.
So you didn’t accept the democratic decision of MPs that passed the Maastricht treaty through parliament? Maybe Tony Blair was lying when he promised a referendum, I am sure you will agree that it’s not a big deal if the PM tells lies??
Well we did find out later on that Tony Blair lied about WMD didnt we.
Funny how certain people blame the Conservative party for Brexit when acctually they we the party who got us in the EU in the first place and they all seem to forget the Labour party were not so keen on it.
I also can't remember petitions, marches, legal action and anyone 4 years later moaning as much as some people on here after the Masstricht treaty went though parliament.
Yeah, but it’s ok for a PM to lie? Did you vote for Boris? Why would they moan about the Maastricht treaty being passed? A few rebel MPs didn’t accept the vote aswell as Farage, why didn’t they just accept the will of the people and democracy ?
You really need to understand the difference in a parliament vote and a referendum.
A parliament vote can not be classed as the will of the people.
Yes MPs are vote in by the people of their constituency but generally to represent them locally at Parliament.
A referendum is a nation wide vote where the people decide. That is will of the people.
Ah, my mistake, it wasn’t the ‘will of the people’ just a decision made by MPs who had been democratically voted into parliament by the people? When did you decide that the U.K. should leave the EU? And why couldn’t you and the rest of the leave voters accept the democratic vote of the MPs in Parliament?
Like I said if you bothered to read and understand I cant remember being that many protests about it.
However in 2009 we had the Lisbon treaty. Over 95% the same as the Masstricht but a different treaty all the same. Ireland had a referendum on it and the Irish people rejected it. The EU panicked and did some deals with Ireland and told them to have another referendum. The second one scrapped through and was accepted. After that the UK parliament was no way going to have a referendum however that then lite the flame for calls on a referendum.
So we come to your point about accepting the democratic vote of MP's. In 2015 the MPs had a vote whether to hold a EU referendum or not. 544 MPs voted in favour of the referendum.
So yes I accept they had a vote to hold a referendum and the people of the UK voted to leave. The will of the people as you quoted earlier.
Your missing my point, you stated that remain voters should just accept the result of the 2016 referendum despite the fact the leaders of the leave campaign refused to accept the 1975 referendum and all the subsequent votes in parliament. Why did we need to have a referendum in 2016, why could the people pushing for this just accept democracy? You voted to leave, we are leaving, it would be hypocritical of you to expect that all remain voters just accept this? Don’t you agree ?
If you fail to understand the difference between what the EC was and what the EU is there really is no point in you posting about them.
You really need to read up on them.
I know the difference, do you know the difference between a great easy trade deal and a no deal? I will ask you again, why didn’t the people who were pushing for an EU referendum accept democracy? Why did we need to have a referendum? Can remain voters start campaigning for another referendum to re join he EU if it turns out that Brexit is a disaster?
We had a referendum because parliament voted to have a referendum.
The only party and I mean the only party who voted against the referendum was the SNP 53 MP's. All other MP's from any party either voted for it 544 MP's or didn't bother to vote 49 MP's.
That is democracy.
One minute you argue for democracy when it suits you the next you are against it!
Again, your missing my point entirely . You says that the divide in this country was due to remain voters not accepting the result of the 2016 referendum. I disagree, the divide was caused by leave voters never accepting our membership of the EU ( that had been agreed democratically) and forced a referendum . The fact that the leaving process has been an absolute disaster and will cost the economy 100s of billions just goes to show that it was never a good idea. If you and your fellow leave voters couldn’t accept our membership of the EU can you explain why remain voters should accept the 2016 referendum result?
I'm going to use your own logic in explaining this to you.
You say the UK membership was decided democratically by Parliment.
So to hold a referendum on the EU was decided democratically by Parliment.
The people did not force the MP's to have the referendum. In fact 4/5's of MP's agreed to have referendum after they voted in favour of having one.
Like I said before, you only like democracy when it works in your point of view. Unfortunately for you it does not work that way.
Your missing the point again, the thread is about a divided nation that you stated was caused by remain voters not accepting the result of the 2016 referendum, do you standby that statement ?
Going on your lack of understanding that the UK never had an EU referendum in 1975.
Your lack of understanding between the difference between the EC and the EU.
Your lack of understanding between a vote in Parliament by MPs and a referendum.
Using the word democracy when it only suits your view.
Plus there has been a lot said about leave voters being stupid and not informed enough. However you have clearly shown you have no knowledge on the history of the UKs membership into the EU and what it actually is.
So yeah I do think remain voters are still dividing the country. "
Deluded, I am afraid your going to be experiencing a lot of confused rage when this Brexit shit show is over and there is a campaign for us to rejoin the EU . Just out of interest, are you happy with the way things have gone since 2016 or are you going to blame the fiasco on remain voters again |
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"So yeah I do think remain voters are still dividing the country. "
You have to admire the pig headedness of someone who claims that people who voted against all this bullshit. Are the ones responsible for it.
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"So yeah I do think remain voters are still dividing the country.
You have to admire the pig headedness of someone who claims that people who voted against all this bullshit. Are the ones responsible for it.
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"I'd put money on..that when it goes tits up,it will be the fault of remainers.
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Well obviously, if we had got behind it wholeheartedly, and not asked difficult questions it would have all gone swimmingly. |
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over a year ago
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Are you refering to England as the single entity nation or the Uk as the nation and England the only nation that counts.
England.
Us and the Scots and irish have never been particularly harmonious."
Really....don't know if I agree.
Im sure the Welsh appeciate your annexation of thier country |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Are you refering to England as the single entity nation or the Uk as the nation and England the only nation that counts.
England.
Us and the Scots and irish have never been particularly harmonious.
Really....don't know if I agree.
Im sure the Welsh appeciate your annexation of thier country "
Yeah you can add to the Welsh to that aswell. |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Are you refering to England as the single entity nation or the Uk as the nation and England the only nation that counts.
England.
Us and the Scots and irish have never been particularly harmonious.
Really....don't know if I agree.
Im sure the Welsh appeciate your annexation of thier country
Yeah you can add to the Welsh to that aswell."
howay then Lionel it’s yr thread so how do we heel this divide then ? |
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It’s easier to dived than heel lol I really think some don’t want to heel the nation tbh like sexy7 said he hates leavers I don’t think he’s the only one on here he just had the balls to come out and say it I respect him for that he always speaks his mind |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Are you refering to England as the single entity nation or the Uk as the nation and England the only nation that counts.
England.
Us and the Scots and irish have never been particularly harmonious.
Really....don't know if I agree.
Im sure the Welsh appeciate your annexation of thier country
Yeah you can add to the Welsh to that aswell.howay then Lionel it’s yr thread so how do we heel this divide then ? "
Fuck knows
We have been divided for decades
The south is like a completely different country to parts of the north. |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Are you refering to England as the single entity nation or the Uk as the nation and England the only nation that counts.
England.
Us and the Scots and irish have never been particularly harmonious.
Really....don't know if I agree.
Im sure the Welsh appeciate your annexation of thier country
Yeah you can add to the Welsh to that aswell.howay then Lionel it’s yr thread so how do we heel this divide then ?
Fuck knows
We have been divided for decades
The south is like a completely different country to parts of the north."
aint it just I agree Lionel it’s a hard one but do you think this politics forum helps in anyway you must agree it’s mainly remainers calling leavers names that will push us further apart |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Are you refering to England as the single entity nation or the Uk as the nation and England the only nation that counts.
England.
Us and the Scots and irish have never been particularly harmonious.
Really....don't know if I agree.
Im sure the Welsh appeciate your annexation of thier country
Yeah you can add to the Welsh to that aswell.howay then Lionel it’s yr thread so how do we heel this divide then ?
Fuck knows
We have been divided for decades
The south is like a completely different country to parts of the north.aint it just I agree Lionel it’s a hard one but do you think this politics forum helps in anyway you must agree it’s mainly remainers calling leavers names that will push us further apart "
Leavers have been calling remainers.. remainers for the last 3 years. |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Are you refering to England as the single entity nation or the Uk as the nation and England the only nation that counts.
England.
Us and the Scots and irish have never been particularly harmonious.
Really....don't know if I agree.
Im sure the Welsh appeciate your annexation of thier country
Yeah you can add to the Welsh to that aswell.howay then Lionel it’s yr thread so how do we heel this divide then ?
Fuck knows
We have been divided for decades
The south is like a completely different country to parts of the north.aint it just I agree Lionel it’s a hard one but do you think this politics forum helps in anyway you must agree it’s mainly remainers calling leavers names that will push us further apart
Leavers have been calling remainers.. remainers for the last 3 years."
ots your thread I just thought you mite have an idea how the U.K. can heel |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Are you refering to England as the single entity nation or the Uk as the nation and England the only nation that counts.
England.
Us and the Scots and irish have never been particularly harmonious.
Really....don't know if I agree.
Im sure the Welsh appeciate your annexation of thier country
Yeah you can add to the Welsh to that aswell.howay then Lionel it’s yr thread so how do we heel this divide then ?
Fuck knows
We have been divided for decades
The south is like a completely different country to parts of the north.aint it just I agree Lionel it’s a hard one but do you think this politics forum helps in anyway you must agree it’s mainly remainers calling leavers names that will push us further apart
Leavers have been calling remainers.. remainers for the last 3 years.ots your thread I just thought you mite have an idea how the U.K. can heel "
It can’t whilst the Tories are in charge as they thrive on causing a divide . Tbh I am not sure if any party can heal the country, I just hope once Brexit is finally ‘sorted’ we can assess the situation we are in and move in the right direction. |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Are you refering to England as the single entity nation or the Uk as the nation and England the only nation that counts.
England.
Us and the Scots and irish have never been particularly harmonious.
Really....don't know if I agree.
Im sure the Welsh appeciate your annexation of thier country
Yeah you can add to the Welsh to that aswell.howay then Lionel it’s yr thread so how do we heel this divide then ?
Fuck knows
We have been divided for decades
The south is like a completely different country to parts of the north.aint it just I agree Lionel it’s a hard one but do you think this politics forum helps in anyway you must agree it’s mainly remainers calling leavers names that will push us further apart
Leavers have been calling remainers.. remainers for the last 3 years.ots your thread I just thought you mite have an idea how the U.K. can heel
It can’t whilst the Tories are in charge as they thrive on causing a divide . Tbh I am not sure if any party can heal the country, I just hope once Brexit is finally ‘sorted’ we can assess the situation we are in and move in the right direction. "
I agree with everything you say once Brexit is done labour need to get there act together I’m just not sure Starmer is the man to do it hope I’m wrong |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Are you refering to England as the single entity nation or the Uk as the nation and England the only nation that counts.
England.
Us and the Scots and irish have never been particularly harmonious.
Really....don't know if I agree.
Im sure the Welsh appeciate your annexation of thier country
Yeah you can add to the Welsh to that aswell.howay then Lionel it’s yr thread so how do we heel this divide then ?
Fuck knows
We have been divided for decades
The south is like a completely different country to parts of the north.aint it just I agree Lionel it’s a hard one but do you think this politics forum helps in anyway you must agree it’s mainly remainers calling leavers names that will push us further apart
Leavers have been calling remainers.. remainers for the last 3 years.ots your thread I just thought you mite have an idea how the U.K. can heel "
As fab says.
It Pays for us to be scrambling round for crumbs.
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"I think the big positive for the north is if the torys want to stay in charge they need to deliver BIG in the north and if labour really want to get in number ten they need to promise the earth to the north so it’s a win win for us lol"
Well they have made a great start with those 2 tory hotbed s of liverpool and Manchester. |
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"I cant recall a time when as a country we were as divided as we are now.
Those divisions were laid bare by brexit.
Has it always been this way?
Is it inevitable?rich and poor. North and south.
Are other countries divided as us?
Are you refering to England as the single entity nation or the Uk as the nation and England the only nation that counts.
England.
Us and the Scots and irish have never been particularly harmonious.
Really....don't know if I agree.
Im sure the Welsh appeciate your annexation of thier country
Yeah you can add to the Welsh to that aswell.howay then Lionel it’s yr thread so how do we heel this divide then ?
Fuck knows
We have been divided for decades
The south is like a completely different country to parts of the north.aint it just I agree Lionel it’s a hard one but do you think this politics forum helps in anyway you must agree it’s mainly remainers calling leavers names that will push us further apart
Leavers have been calling remainers.. remainers for the last 3 years.ots your thread I just thought you mite have an idea how the U.K. can heel
It can’t whilst the Tories are in charge as they thrive on causing a divide . Tbh I am not sure if any party can heal the country, I just hope once Brexit is finally ‘sorted’ we can assess the situation we are in and move in the right direction. I agree with everything you say once Brexit is done labour need to get there act together I’m just not sure Starmer is the man to do it hope I’m wrong "
I don’t know either, it also depends on who the next leader of the Torys will be, as Boris won’t be in charge for the next GE . |
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Let's be totally honest here. Any government would be struggling right now to deal with this shit storm.
It just so happened that Jezza handed the keys to No.10 for 5 years to Bozo just before the biggest shit storm to hit planet earth in 81 years came along. If only he'd hung on a bit longer eh. Isn't hindsight wonderful. I wish they had hung on to be honest. You have got to admit that last November Boris was well and truly on the ropes in boxing terms and ready to chuck in the towel But Nicolaaaa and Jezza let him get back up, dust himself off and deliver a knock out blow to his arch enemies. Only Nicola is still there and very wobbly as she desperately tries to spin that the SNP are better at covid than the tories. |
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"Let's be totally honest here. Any government would be struggling right now to deal with this shit storm.
It just so happened that Jezza handed the keys to No.10 for 5 years to Bozo just before the biggest shit storm to hit planet earth in 81 years came along. If only he'd hung on a bit longer eh. Isn't hindsight wonderful. I wish they had hung on to be honest. You have got to admit that last November Boris was well and truly on the ropes in boxing terms and ready to chuck in the towel But Nicolaaaa and Jezza let him get back up, dust himself off and deliver a knock out blow to his arch enemies. Only Nicola is still there and very wobbly as she desperately tries to spin that the SNP are better at covid than the tories."
The comparisons with sturgeon just make him look like even more of a bumbling idiot.
Various leaders around the world have been commended on their handling of the situation. I cant ever remember boris being mentioned.
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"Let's be totally honest here. Any government would be struggling right now to deal with this shit storm.
It just so happened that Jezza handed the keys to No.10 for 5 years to Bozo just before the biggest shit storm to hit planet earth in 81 years came along. If only he'd hung on a bit longer eh. Isn't hindsight wonderful. I wish they had hung on to be honest. You have got to admit that last November Boris was well and truly on the ropes in boxing terms and ready to chuck in the towel But Nicolaaaa and Jezza let him get back up, dust himself off and deliver a knock out blow to his arch enemies. Only Nicola is still there and very wobbly as she desperately tries to spin that the SNP are better at covid than the tories.
The comparisons with sturgeon just make him look like even more of a bumbling idiot.
Various leaders around the world have been commended on their handling of the situation. I cant ever remember boris being mentioned.
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have these leaders put as much money forward tho did you ever think in yr lifetime a Tory government would pay ppl to stay at home ? |
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"Let's be totally honest here. Any government would be struggling right now to deal with this shit storm.
It just so happened that Jezza handed the keys to No.10 for 5 years to Bozo just before the biggest shit storm to hit planet earth in 81 years came along. If only he'd hung on a bit longer eh. Isn't hindsight wonderful. I wish they had hung on to be honest. You have got to admit that last November Boris was well and truly on the ropes in boxing terms and ready to chuck in the towel But Nicolaaaa and Jezza let him get back up, dust himself off and deliver a knock out blow to his arch enemies. Only Nicola is still there and very wobbly as she desperately tries to spin that the SNP are better at covid than the tories.
The comparisons with sturgeon just make him look like even more of a bumbling idiot.
Various leaders around the world have been commended on their handling of the situation. I cant ever remember boris being mentioned.
have these leaders put as much money forward tho did you ever think in yr lifetime a Tory government would pay ppl to stay at home ? "
That money will be well recuperated |
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"Let's be totally honest here. Any government would be struggling right now to deal with this shit storm.
It just so happened that Jezza handed the keys to No.10 for 5 years to Bozo just before the biggest shit storm to hit planet earth in 81 years came along. If only he'd hung on a bit longer eh. Isn't hindsight wonderful. I wish they had hung on to be honest. You have got to admit that last November Boris was well and truly on the ropes in boxing terms and ready to chuck in the towel But Nicolaaaa and Jezza let him get back up, dust himself off and deliver a knock out blow to his arch enemies. Only Nicola is still there and very wobbly as she desperately tries to spin that the SNP are better at covid than the tories."
I agree that any government would struggle dealing with the pandemic but the UK have the worst death rate in Europe and a leader and cabinet that just keep telling lies and making numerous U turns. Could labour have done better? We will never know but I doubt they could have been worse |
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"Let's be totally honest here. Any government would be struggling right now to deal with this shit storm.
It just so happened that Jezza handed the keys to No.10 for 5 years to Bozo just before the biggest shit storm to hit planet earth in 81 years came along. If only he'd hung on a bit longer eh. Isn't hindsight wonderful. I wish they had hung on to be honest. You have got to admit that last November Boris was well and truly on the ropes in boxing terms and ready to chuck in the towel But Nicolaaaa and Jezza let him get back up, dust himself off and deliver a knock out blow to his arch enemies. Only Nicola is still there and very wobbly as she desperately tries to spin that the SNP are better at covid than the tories.
The comparisons with sturgeon just make him look like even more of a bumbling idiot.
Various leaders around the world have been commended on their handling of the situation. I cant ever remember boris being mentioned.
have these leaders put as much money forward tho did you ever think in yr lifetime a Tory government would pay ppl to stay at home ?
That money will be well recuperated"
...from the least well off in society. |
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"Let's be totally honest here. Any government would be struggling right now to deal with this shit storm.
It just so happened that Jezza handed the keys to No.10 for 5 years to Bozo just before the biggest shit storm to hit planet earth in 81 years came along. If only he'd hung on a bit longer eh. Isn't hindsight wonderful. I wish they had hung on to be honest. You have got to admit that last November Boris was well and truly on the ropes in boxing terms and ready to chuck in the towel But Nicolaaaa and Jezza let him get back up, dust himself off and deliver a knock out blow to his arch enemies. Only Nicola is still there and very wobbly as she desperately tries to spin that the SNP are better at covid than the tories.
The comparisons with sturgeon just make him look like even more of a bumbling idiot.
Various leaders around the world have been commended on their handling of the situation. I cant ever remember boris being mentioned.
have these leaders put as much money forward tho did you ever think in yr lifetime a Tory government would pay ppl to stay at home ?
That money will be well recuperated"
well that answered me question lol |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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You can’t argue it’s not a north vs south thing when the extra support for tier 2 doesn’t show up until London goes into tier 2.....
A lot of the north have live under those restrictions for months..... |
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"You can’t argue it’s not a north vs south thing when the extra support for tier 2 doesn’t show up until London goes into tier 2.....
A lot of the north have live under those restrictions for months....."
_abio you called it on an earlier post it’s a joke now to ppl like us in the north we’ve had this shot for months both and soon as it’s London it’s more money everything in this country is decided by what’s best for London this is the best thing that could of happened for labour because this won’t be forgotten in the north |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Let's be totally honest here. Any government would be struggling right now to deal with this shit storm.
It just so happened that Jezza handed the keys to No.10 for 5 years to Bozo just before the biggest shit storm to hit planet earth in 81 years came along. If only he'd hung on a bit longer eh. Isn't hindsight wonderful. I wish they had hung on to be honest. You have got to admit that last November Boris was well and truly on the ropes in boxing terms and ready to chuck in the towel But Nicolaaaa and Jezza let him get back up, dust himself off and deliver a knock out blow to his arch enemies. Only Nicola is still there and very wobbly as she desperately tries to spin that the SNP are better at covid than the tories.
The comparisons with sturgeon just make him look like even more of a bumbling idiot.
Various leaders around the world have been commended on their handling of the situation. I cant ever remember boris being mentioned.
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You are joking Scotland have the 3rd worse covid record in Europe despite only having a population of 5.5 million. |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
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"Let's be totally honest here. Any government would be struggling right now to deal with this shit storm.
It just so happened that Jezza handed the keys to No.10 for 5 years to Bozo just before the biggest shit storm to hit planet earth in 81 years came along. If only he'd hung on a bit longer eh. Isn't hindsight wonderful. I wish they had hung on to be honest. You have got to admit that last November Boris was well and truly on the ropes in boxing terms and ready to chuck in the towel But Nicolaaaa and Jezza let him get back up, dust himself off and deliver a knock out blow to his arch enemies. Only Nicola is still there and very wobbly as she desperately tries to spin that the SNP are better at covid than the tories.
The comparisons with sturgeon just make him look like even more of a bumbling idiot.
Various leaders around the world have been commended on their handling of the situation. I cant ever remember boris being mentioned.
You are joking Scotland have the 3rd worse covid record in Europe despite only having a population of 5.5 million. "
But that's not anti government so can't be mentioned |
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"Let's be totally honest here. Any government would be struggling right now to deal with this shit storm.
It just so happened that Jezza handed the keys to No.10 for 5 years to Bozo just before the biggest shit storm to hit planet earth in 81 years came along. If only he'd hung on a bit longer eh. Isn't hindsight wonderful. I wish they had hung on to be honest. You have got to admit that last November Boris was well and truly on the ropes in boxing terms and ready to chuck in the towel But Nicolaaaa and Jezza let him get back up, dust himself off and deliver a knock out blow to his arch enemies. Only Nicola is still there and very wobbly as she desperately tries to spin that the SNP are better at covid than the tories.
The comparisons with sturgeon just make him look like even more of a bumbling idiot.
Various leaders around the world have been commended on their handling of the situation. I cant ever remember boris being mentioned.
You are joking Scotland have the 3rd worse covid record in Europe despite only having a population of 5.5 million. "
Nicola sturgeon.
Winding up brexiteers since 2018. |
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