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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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The son of a friend of mine has just completed a masters degree in physics, and all through his degree he supported himself by waiting, teaching and working part time for an international company whose work is mostly in the arts arena.
He was told that he would be a shoe-in for a job with them but since COVID they have stopped hiring new staff. The waiting jobs are really hard to get and teaching has become very difficult due to social distancing. He now has to find £800 a month to pay his rent and bills and has applied to universal credit for help. Initially they supported him and then this week they told him that if he wants to remain on universal credit then he has to sign up for an eight week induction course to work at Tesco for £8 an hour which is below the London living wage. Tesco are the only supermarket who have signed up to this government scheme which seems to be aimed at taking students and graduates off the unemployment figures while giving Tesco a source of cheap labour (Tesco are big donors to the Tory Party btw).
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"The son of a friend of mine has just completed a masters degree in physics, and all through his degree he supported himself by waiting, teaching and working part time for an international company whose work is mostly in the arts arena.
He was told that he would be a shoe-in for a job with them but since COVID they have stopped hiring new staff. The waiting jobs are really hard to get and teaching has become very difficult due to social distancing. He now has to find £800 a month to pay his rent and bills and has applied to universal credit for help. Initially they supported him and then this week they told him that if he wants to remain on universal credit then he has to sign up for an eight week induction course to work at Tesco for £8 an hour which is below the London living wage. Tesco are the only supermarket who have signed up to this government scheme which seems to be aimed at taking students and graduates off the unemployment figures while giving Tesco a source of cheap labour (Tesco are big donors to the Tory Party btw).
Is this wrong....discuss!"
Course its wrong.
But since the tories have successfully demonized anyone who actually needs support as a 'scrounger'..well they got voted in. |
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Why would a Physics graduate be a "shoe in" for a job in the Arts ?
When my daughter did her Physics Masters degree she had exactly the same number of contact hours as her other four housemates combined. She only saw her boyfriend every third weekend as the course was so demanding. She would never have had time for a part time job too. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Why would a Physics graduate be a "shoe in" for a job in the Arts ?
When my daughter did her Physics Masters degree she had exactly the same number of contact hours as her other four housemates combined. She only saw her boyfriend every third weekend as the course was so demanding. She would never have had time for a part time job too. "
Its a scientific job which relates to the construction of theatres and opera houses. I believe he got a distinction after for years of study at a Russell group uni so I hipe that makes it a little clearer for you |
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"So your friend is being asked to work for some of the money that they are being given ?
Sounds pretty reasonable to me, why should they get money to sit in their ass doing nothing for it ?"
Maybe we should have forced labour for the lazy bastards? |
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"Isnt The post supposed to be about are Tesco justified in what they are doing?"
Yes you are correct. Apologies for talking about Physics courses.
Why does a Masters Graduate need an eight week induction course to work for £8 an hour at Tesco ? |
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"Isnt The post supposed to be about are Tesco justified in what they are doing?
Yes you are correct. Apologies for talking about Physics courses.
Why does a Masters Graduate need an eight week induction course to work for £8 an hour at Tesco ? "
Nuclear physics If you please
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By *ovebjsMan
over a year ago
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"So your friend is being asked to work for some of the money that they are being given ?
Sounds pretty reasonable to me, why should they get money to sit in their ass doing nothing for it ?
Maybe we should have forced labour for the lazy bastards?"
Unversed credit is to top up your money to a living wage, what’s wrong with people having to work to live ? Or do you think people are owed a living without doing anything for it ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So your friend is being asked to work for some of the money that they are being given ?
Sounds pretty reasonable to me, why should they get money to sit in their ass doing nothing for it ?
Maybe we should have forced labour for the lazy bastards?
Unversed credit is to top up your money to a living wage, what’s wrong with people having to work to live ? Or do you think people are owed a living without doing anything for it ?"
You know we all contribute through taxes and national insurance right? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Interesting....at least Lionel understood my point
I do try to avoid being patronising and I apologise if you took it that way but also can I just say that it was an illustration of the government’s attempts to massage statistics and questioning why Tesco chose to partake in a government scheme when all other major supermarkets had declined to take part. This information was provided by the person who interviewed him at the job centre. So, to be clear I if you wish to dismiss this information that is fine but just because you have a daughter who has a masters in nuclear physics which is laudable it does not make my post any less valid or my friends masters and his experience of universal credit less worthy of discussion. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Ok... Back to the topic. Yes it is wrong.
The government does this to boost the employment count. I imagine you have to comply otherwise you lose your universal credit. This has been going on for a number of years. People have been forced to take up unpaid retail "work experience". |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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My friends son had his grant, worked part time for the company he wanted to work for, waited during the holidays, and tutored younger children to make up his finances. He is now in a situation where he cannot find enough work to pay his rent in London and went to universal credit for short term support. He was told he could only get support if he went on a scheme that is transparently a waste of his time and abilities and which appears to be a method of supplying Tesco with cheap labour in order to massage the governments statistics. This is what is happening to young people today.
Oh and btw he is not going to take up this scheme but is going to try and get as much work as he can off his own back. He is neither lazy or conceited and has always had part time jobs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Bringing the Tory party into this is irrevilent,The system of the top takes of the cream is true whatever form of government you have.
You are just cycical"
There's an element of truth for that. But the Tory party is openly the party of - make the rich richer and fuck the poor. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"My friends son had his grant, worked part time for the company he wanted to work for, waited during the holidays, and tutored younger children to make up his finances. He is now in a situation where he cannot find enough work to pay his rent in London and went to universal credit for short term support. He was told he could only get support if he went on a scheme that is transparently a waste of his time and abilities and which appears to be a method of supplying Tesco with cheap labour in order to massage the governments statistics. This is what is happening to young people today.
Oh and btw he is not going to take up this scheme but is going to try and get as much work as he can off his own back. He is neither lazy or conceited and has always had part time jobs."
If he was to stay on this scheme and work for Tesco does he loose all his universal credit or a proportion of it. I was under the impression it's designed to allow you to work while still getting some credits and that you end up better of by working rather than not working |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The son of a friend of mine has just completed a masters degree in physics, and all through his degree he supported himself by waiting, teaching and working part time for an international company whose work is mostly in the arts arena.
He was told that he would be a shoe-in for a job with them but since COVID they have stopped hiring new staff. The waiting jobs are really hard to get and teaching has become very difficult due to social distancing. He now has to find £800 a month to pay his rent and bills and has applied to universal credit for help. Initially they supported him and then this week they told him that if he wants to remain on universal credit then he has to sign up for an eight week induction course to work at Tesco for £8 an hour which is below the London living wage. Tesco are the only supermarket who have signed up to this government scheme which seems to be aimed at taking students and graduates off the unemployment figures while giving Tesco a source of cheap labour (Tesco are big donors to the Tory Party btw).
Is this wrong....discuss!"
Capitalists gonna capitalise...
On any opportunity to exploit the poor. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"The son of a friend of mine has just completed a masters degree in physics, and all through his degree he supported himself by waiting, teaching and working part time for an international company whose work is mostly in the arts arena.
He was told that he would be a shoe-in for a job with them but since COVID they have stopped hiring new staff. The waiting jobs are really hard to get and teaching has become very difficult due to social distancing. He now has to find £800 a month to pay his rent and bills and has applied to universal credit for help. Initially they supported him and then this week they told him that if he wants to remain on universal credit then he has to sign up for an eight week induction course to work at Tesco for £8 an hour which is below the London living wage. Tesco are the only supermarket who have signed up to this government scheme which seems to be aimed at taking students and graduates off the unemployment figures while giving Tesco a source of cheap labour (Tesco are big donors to the Tory Party btw).
Is this wrong....discuss!"
How much have Tescos donated to the Conservative Party in the last five years?  |
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"My friends son had his grant, worked part time for the company he wanted to work for, waited during the holidays, and tutored younger children to make up his finances. He is now in a situation where he cannot find enough work to pay his rent in London and went to universal credit for short term support. He was told he could only get support if he went on a scheme that is transparently a waste of his time and abilities and which appears to be a method of supplying Tesco with cheap labour in order to massage the governments statistics. This is what is happening to young people today.
Oh and btw he is not going to take up this scheme but is going to try and get as much work as he can off his own back. He is neither lazy or conceited and has always had part time jobs."
The job centre in Crawley, did a similar thing with delta force paintball site. You would sign on as normal, then go at the weekend for £45 a day for work. They threw in a free pizza as well. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Bringing the Tory party into this is irrevilent,The system of the top takes of the cream is true whatever form of government you have.
You are just cycical
There's an element of truth for that. But the Tory party is openly the party of - make the rich richer and fuck the poor. "
Try living in Russia,Norh Korea,Braxil ,USA,France,Italy etc.
The tories are quite socialist to many countries in many ways.
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"Bringing the Tory party into this is irrevilent,The system of the top takes of the cream is true whatever form of government you have.
You are just cycical
There's an element of truth for that. But the Tory party is openly the party of - make the rich richer and fuck the poor. Try living in Russia,Norh Korea,Braxil ,USA,France,Italy etc.
The tories are quite socialist to many countries in many ways.
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Ha ha ha ha..
The best yet
Outstanding
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By *exy7Man
over a year ago
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"Bringing the Tory party into this is irrevilent,The system of the top takes of the cream is true whatever form of government you have.
You are just cycical
There's an element of truth for that. But the Tory party is openly the party of - make the rich richer and fuck the poor. Try living in Russia,Norh Korea,Braxil ,USA,France,Italy etc.
The tories are quite socialist to many countries in many ways.
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What’s your point about Italy, France, Brazil etc?
In what ways are the tories socialist?
Do you mean that they throw money to save businesses and jobs when things go wrong or (nationalise debts) and help the rich by cutting taxes when things go well? That’s not being socialist. That’s more taking everybody for a ride and fuck the poor. The nasty party in all its splendour. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Bringing the Tory party into this is irrevilent,The system of the top takes of the cream is true whatever form of government you have.
You are just cycical
There's an element of truth for that. But the Tory party is openly the party of - make the rich richer and fuck the poor. Try living in Russia,Norh Korea,Braxil ,USA,France,Italy etc.
The tories are quite socialist to many countries in many ways.
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The first part. Not sure what you're getting at. Those are a wide spread of countries. And I'm sure I'd learn a lot about life, should I live there. But I don't know how that would change the policies of the Tory party?
And as for the Tories being "quite socialist". I don't think that is true under any definition of socialism.
Socialism:
noun
"a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."
Doesn't say anything about fucking over the poor for the benefit of big corporations. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Bringing the Tory party into this is irrevilent,The system of the top takes of the cream is true whatever form of government you have.
You are just cycical
There's an element of truth for that. But the Tory party is openly the party of - make the rich richer and fuck the poor. Try living in Russia,Norh Korea,Braxil ,USA,France,Italy etc.
The tories are quite socialist to many countries in many ways.
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Braxil???
You’re still as predictable as you ever were Emma  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Interesting....at least Lionel understood my point
I do try to avoid being patronising and I apologise if you took it that way but also can I just say that it was an illustration of the government’s attempts to massage statistics and questioning why Tesco chose to partake in a government scheme when all other major supermarkets had declined to take part. This information was provided by the person who interviewed him at the job centre. So, to be clear I if you wish to dismiss this information that is fine but just because you have a daughter who has a masters in nuclear physics which is laudable it does not make my post any less valid or my friends masters and his experience of universal credit less worthy of discussion."
Instead of the negatives what about the positives, Tesco being the only one to participate could be Tesco wanting to help the community, by capping the hourly rate is simply protecting their investment, show your worth during a short probation period to prove you actually want to work, common sense approach to me, if Tesco filled their stores with lazy probationers standing gossiping in the aisles or playing on Facebook/tic toc because they’re only on £8 an hour then the shelves wouldn’t full and then people would stay away |
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"Why is it so wrong that people are expected to work for a living?
Its nothing to do with working for a living
What is it to do with then?"
Well for a start being made to do a job you didnt apply for.
The benefit system is there to provide support to people who either cant work or are actively looking for work.
Now apparently they just make you do a job you dont want to do..just to receive the benefits you are entitled too anyway.
That's not even without getting into the merits of a multi million pound company paying you less than a minimum wage.
Still this is coming from a gmnt who told a man he was fit enough to work who was that emancipated,.he looked liked he had just been released from a concentration camp. |
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"this is coming from a gmnt who told a man he was fit enough to work who was that emancipated,.he looked liked he had just been released from a concentration camp."
Emancipated is indeed to be freed. Do you mean emaciated ? |
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That's not even without getting into the merits of a multi million pound company paying you less than a minimum wage.
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The minimum wage for under 25s is £7.70 and Tesco is offering this young man £8 |
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"this is coming from a gmnt who told a man he was fit enough to work who was that emancipated,.he looked liked he had just been released from a concentration camp.
Emancipated is indeed to be freed. Do you mean emaciated ?"
Typo |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So your friend is being asked to work for some of the money that they are being given ?
Sounds pretty reasonable to me, why should they get money to sit in their ass doing nothing for it ?
Maybe we should have forced labour for the lazy bastards?"
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That's not even without getting into the merits of a multi million pound company paying you less than a minimum wage.
The minimum wage for under 25s is £7.70 and Tesco is offering this young man £8"
Isnt it £9 in London?
According to the op |
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"So your friend is being asked to work for some of the money that they are being given ?
Sounds pretty reasonable to me, why should they get money to sit in their ass doing nothing for it ?
Maybe we should have forced labour for the lazy bastards?
Indeed we should "
Not sure if serious. |
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Isnt it £9 in London?
According to the op
I think there is a difference between the legal minimum wage and the suggested living wage. "
I think there is a pound difference.Anyway even the company themselves have objected to the scheme. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Why is it so wrong that people are expected to work for a living?
Its nothing to do with working for a living
What is it to do with then?
Well for a start being made to do a job you didnt apply for.
The benefit system is there to provide support to people who either cant work or are actively looking for work.
Now apparently they just make you do a job you dont want to do..just to receive the benefits you are entitled too anyway.
That's not even without getting into the merits of a multi million pound company paying you less than a minimum wage.
Still this is coming from a gmnt who told a man he was fit enough to work who was that emancipated,.he looked liked he had just been released from a concentration camp."
I don't see any problem if people who need to claim benefits are required to work in some capacity through their local authority for an amount of hours that relates to the amount of benefits they receive if they are able to do so. |
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"Why is it so wrong that people are expected to work for a living?
Its nothing to do with working for a living
What is it to do with then?
Well for a start being made to do a job you didnt apply for.
The benefit system is there to provide support to people who either cant work or are actively looking for work.
Now apparently they just make you do a job you dont want to do..just to receive the benefits you are entitled too anyway.
That's not even without getting into the merits of a multi million pound company paying you less than a minimum wage.
Still this is coming from a gmnt who told a man he was fit enough to work who was that emancipated,.he looked liked he had just been released from a concentration camp.
I don't see any problem if people who need to claim benefits are required to work in some capacity through their local authority for an amount of hours that relates to the amount of benefits they receive if they are able to do so. "
You dont see a problem in being made to work for something you are legally entitled too?
Even though the company themselves have said they are not happy with it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Why is it so wrong that people are expected to work for a living?
Its nothing to do with working for a living
What is it to do with then?
Well for a start being made to do a job you didnt apply for.
The benefit system is there to provide support to people who either cant work or are actively looking for work.
Now apparently they just make you do a job you dont want to do..just to receive the benefits you are entitled too anyway.
That's not even without getting into the merits of a multi million pound company paying you less than a minimum wage.
Still this is coming from a gmnt who told a man he was fit enough to work who was that emancipated,.he looked liked he had just been released from a concentration camp.
I don't see any problem if people who need to claim benefits are required to work in some capacity through their local authority for an amount of hours that relates to the amount of benefits they receive if they are able to do so.
You dont see a problem in being made to work for something you are legally entitled too?
Even though the company themselves have said they are not happy with it. "
I mean in terms of changing the rules on benefits and how people receive them, not specifically about this story. |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"Why is it so wrong that people are expected to work for a living?
Its nothing to do with working for a living
What is it to do with then?
Well for a start being made to do a job you didnt apply for.
The benefit system is there to provide support to people who either cant work or are actively looking for work.
Now apparently they just make you do a job you dont want to do..just to receive the benefits you are entitled too anyway.
That's not even without getting into the merits of a multi million pound company paying you less than a minimum wage.
Still this is coming from a gmnt who told a man he was fit enough to work who was that emancipated,.he looked liked he had just been released from a concentration camp.
I don't see any problem if people who need to claim benefits are required to work in some capacity through their local authority for an amount of hours that relates to the amount of benefits they receive if they are able to do so.
You dont see a problem in being made to work for something you are legally entitled too?
Even though the company themselves have said they are not happy with it. "
from experience of this via a family member many of the tesco staff who are on short hrs contracts who use overtime to top up theyre wages now cant as the extra work is being taken up by people on this scheme . so guess what happens next ? that's right the tesco employee has to claim uc to supplement theyre lost wages so no extra saving to us the tax payer but nicely massaged unemployment figures for the govt |
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"The son of a friend of mine has just completed a masters degree in physics, and all through his degree he supported himself by waiting, teaching and working part time for an international company whose work is mostly in the arts arena.
He was told that he would be a shoe-in for a job with them but since COVID they have stopped hiring new staff. The waiting jobs are really hard to get and teaching has become very difficult due to social distancing. He now has to find £800 a month to pay his rent and bills and has applied to universal credit for help. Initially they supported him and then this week they told him that if he wants to remain on universal credit then he has to sign up for an eight week induction course to work at Tesco for £8 an hour which is below the London living wage. Tesco are the only supermarket who have signed up to this government scheme which seems to be aimed at taking students and graduates off the unemployment figures while giving Tesco a source of cheap labour (Tesco are big donors to the Tory Party btw).
Is this wrong....discuss!"
Yes and no, he should at least get living wage, however nobody should be allowed to live on benefits ad infinitum till the perfect job comes along |
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"The son of a friend of mine has just completed a masters degree in physics, and all through his degree he supported himself by waiting, teaching and working part time for an international company whose work is mostly in the arts arena.
He was told that he would be a shoe-in for a job with them but since COVID they have stopped hiring new staff. The waiting jobs are really hard to get and teaching has become very difficult due to social distancing. He now has to find £800 a month to pay his rent and bills and has applied to universal credit for help. Initially they supported him and then this week they told him that if he wants to remain on universal credit then he has to sign up for an eight week induction course to work at Tesco for £8 an hour which is below the London living wage. Tesco are the only supermarket who have signed up to this government scheme which seems to be aimed at taking students and graduates off the unemployment figures while giving Tesco a source of cheap labour (Tesco are big donors to the Tory Party btw).
Is this wrong....discuss!
Yes and no, he should at least get living wage, however nobody should be allowed to live on benefits ad infinitum till the perfect job comes along"
Is anyone suggesting that?
Implying of course being on benefits is living a life of luxury |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"Why is it so wrong that people are expected to work for a living?
Its nothing to do with working for a living
What is it to do with then?
Well for a start being made to do a job you didnt apply for.
The benefit system is there to provide support to people who either cant work or are actively looking for work.
Now apparently they just make you do a job you dont want to do..just to receive the benefits you are entitled too anyway.
That's not even without getting into the merits of a multi million pound company paying you less than a minimum wage.
Still this is coming from a gmnt who told a man he was fit enough to work who was that emancipated,.he looked liked he had just been released from a concentration camp.
I don't see any problem if people who need to claim benefits are required to work in some capacity through their local authority for an amount of hours that relates to the amount of benefits they receive if they are able to do so.
You dont see a problem in being made to work for something you are legally entitled too?
Even though the company themselves have said they are not happy with it. "
Your legally entitled to UC but only if you follow the rules which are not the same as many years ago. I think you have to take any reasonable job offer or if you don't you need a very good reason not to or loose benefits |
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"Why is it so wrong that people are expected to work for a living?
Its nothing to do with working for a living
What is it to do with then?
Well for a start being made to do a job you didnt apply for.
The benefit system is there to provide support to people who either cant work or are actively looking for work.
Now apparently they just make you do a job you dont want to do..just to receive the benefits you are entitled too anyway.
That's not even without getting into the merits of a multi million pound company paying you less than a minimum wage.
Still this is coming from a gmnt who told a man he was fit enough to work who was that emancipated,.he looked liked he had just been released from a concentration camp.
I don't see any problem if people who need to claim benefits are required to work in some capacity through their local authority for an amount of hours that relates to the amount of benefits they receive if they are able to do so.
You dont see a problem in being made to work for something you are legally entitled too?
Even though the company themselves have said they are not happy with it.
Your legally entitled to UC but only if you follow the rules which are not the same as many years ago. I think you have to take any reasonable job offer or if you don't you need a very good reason not to or loose benefits"
Bit of a difference between taking a reasonable job offer and being forced to do a job you didnt apply for. |
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"Why is it so wrong that people are expected to work for a living?
Its nothing to do with working for a living
What is it to do with then?
Well for a start being made to do a job you didnt apply for.
The benefit system is there to provide support to people who either cant work or are actively looking for work.
Now apparently they just make you do a job you dont want to do..just to receive the benefits you are entitled too anyway.
That's not even without getting into the merits of a multi million pound company paying you less than a minimum wage.
Still this is coming from a gmnt who told a man he was fit enough to work who was that emancipated,.he looked liked he had just been released from a concentration camp.
I don't see any problem if people who need to claim benefits are required to work in some capacity through their local authority for an amount of hours that relates to the amount of benefits they receive if they are able to do so.
You dont see a problem in being made to work for something you are legally entitled too?
Even though the company themselves have said they are not happy with it.
Your legally entitled to UC but only if you follow the rules which are not the same as many years ago. I think you have to take any reasonable job offer or if you don't you need a very good reason not to or loose benefits"
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"work ethic - a belief that hard work and diligence have a moral benefit and an inherent ability, virtue or value to strengthen character and individual abilities."
In other words, i would rather work, no matter what is being asked of me, than sit around with an attitude of entitlement.
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""work ethic - a belief that hard work and diligence have a moral benefit and an inherent ability, virtue or value to strengthen character and individual abilities."
In other words, i would rather work, no matter what is being asked of me, than sit around with an attitude of entitlement.
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Does that 'work ethic'apply to the likes of Christopher grayling who gets paid 100k a year for 6 hours a week work? |
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""work ethic - a belief that hard work and diligence have a moral benefit and an inherent ability, virtue or value to strengthen character and individual abilities."
In other words, i would rather work, no matter what is being asked of me, than sit around with an attitude of entitlement.
Does that 'work ethic'apply to the likes of Christopher grayling who gets paid 100k a year for 6 hours a week work?"
six hrs a week for a £100k the lucky twat Lional you would kill for that tho be honest lol |
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""work ethic - a belief that hard work and diligence have a moral benefit and an inherent ability, virtue or value to strengthen character and individual abilities."
In other words, i would rather work, no matter what is being asked of me, than sit around with an attitude of entitlement.
Does that 'work ethic'apply to the likes of Christopher grayling who gets paid 100k a year for 6 hours a week work? six hrs a week for a £100k the lucky twat Lional you would kill for that tho be honest lol"
Tbf he probally works really hard for those 6 hrs as we know the Tory ethos is hard work.
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"The son of a friend of mine has just completed a masters degree in physics, and all through his degree he supported himself by waiting, teaching and working part time for an international company whose work is mostly in the arts arena.
He was told that he would be a shoe-in for a job with them but since COVID they have stopped hiring new staff. The waiting jobs are really hard to get and teaching has become very difficult due to social distancing. He now has to find £800 a month to pay his rent and bills and has applied to universal credit for help. Initially they supported him and then this week they told him that if he wants to remain on universal credit then he has to sign up for an eight week induction course to work at Tesco for £8 an hour which is below the London living wage. Tesco are the only supermarket who have signed up to this government scheme which seems to be aimed at taking students and graduates off the unemployment figures while giving Tesco a source of cheap labour (Tesco are big donors to the Tory Party btw).
Is this wrong....discuss!"
Maybe the question we should be asking is why this gentleman's parents are not prepared to help him out. If he returns to living with his them at least the payment of rent is avoided.
Tesco are an extremely successful company with a workforce in excess of 400,000. Without trying the roles offered, no one knows what you may learn from working for the company. It would certainly beat hanging around the house doing nothing.
Tesco also make significant donations to wide variety of charities and should be commended for taking into account the needs of those who are less well off in society.
Tesco have recently donated £15 million to various charities fighting hunger.
It would be interesting to see if anyone can quantify the amount that is is claimed that was donated to the Conservative party. I cannot see any reference to it in the statutory accounts. |
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"The son of a friend of mine has just completed a masters degree in physics, and all through his degree he supported himself by waiting, teaching and working part time for an international company whose work is mostly in the arts arena.
He was told that he would be a shoe-in for a job with them but since COVID they have stopped hiring new staff. The waiting jobs are really hard to get and teaching has become very difficult due to social distancing. He now has to find £800 a month to pay his rent and bills and has applied to universal credit for help. Initially they supported him and then this week they told him that if he wants to remain on universal credit then he has to sign up for an eight week induction course to work at Tesco for £8 an hour which is below the London living wage. Tesco are the only supermarket who have signed up to this government scheme which seems to be aimed at taking students and graduates off the unemployment figures while giving Tesco a source of cheap labour (Tesco are big donors to the Tory Party btw).
Is this wrong....discuss! Maybe the question we should be asking is why this gentleman's parents are not prepared to help him out. If he returns to living with his them at least the payment of rent is avoided.
Tesco are an extremely successful company with a workforce in excess of 400,000. Without trying the roles offered, no one knows what you may learn from working for the company. It would certainly beat hanging around the house doing nothing.
Tesco also make significant donations to wide variety of charities and should be commended for taking into account the needs of those who are less well off in society.
Tesco have recently donated £15 million to various charities fighting hunger.
It would be interesting to see if anyone can quantify the amount that is is claimed that was donated to the Conservative party. I cannot see any reference to it in the statutory accounts. "
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By *mmabluTV/TS
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"Bringing the Tory party into this is irrevilent,The system of the top takes of the cream is true whatever form of government you have.
You are just cycical
There's an element of truth for that. But the Tory party is openly the party of - make the rich richer and fuck the poor. Try living in Russia,Norh Korea,Braxil ,USA,France,Italy etc.
The tories are quite socialist to many countries in many ways.
What’s your point about Italy, France, Brazil etc?
In what ways are the tories socialist?
Do you mean that they throw money to save businesses and jobs when things go wrong or (nationalise debts) and help the rich by cutting taxes when things go well? That’s not being socialist. That’s more taking everybody for a ride and fuck the poor. The nasty party in all its splendour."
Take a detailed look at many nations and take your blinkers off |
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"Bringing the Tory party into this is irrevilent,The system of the top takes of the cream is true whatever form of government you have.
You are just cycical
There's an element of truth for that. But the Tory party is openly the party of - make the rich richer and fuck the poor. Try living in Russia,Norh Korea,Braxil ,USA,France,Italy etc.
The tories are quite socialist to many countries in many ways.
What’s your point about Italy, France, Brazil etc?
In what ways are the tories socialist?
Do you mean that they throw money to save businesses and jobs when things go wrong or (nationalise debts) and help the rich by cutting taxes when things go well? That’s not being socialist. That’s more taking everybody for a ride and fuck the poor. The nasty party in all its splendour.Take a detailed look at many nations and take your blinkers off"
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The point being that the young man in question is hard-working and has been paying taxes in all the part-time jobs he has been doing throughout his life and is now being told that unless he goes on the Tesco scheme his benefits will be withdrawn. Is that fair? Is it a sensible use of a post graduate? I wonder what the ordinary Tesco workers think? |
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"The son of a friend of mine has just completed a masters degree in physics, and all through his degree he supported himself by waiting, teaching and working part time for an international company whose work is mostly in the arts arena.
He was told that he would be a shoe-in for a job with them but since COVID they have stopped hiring new staff. The waiting jobs are really hard to get and teaching has become very difficult due to social distancing. He now has to find £800 a month to pay his rent and bills and has applied to universal credit for help. Initially they supported him and then this week they told him that if he wants to remain on universal credit then he has to sign up for an eight week induction course to work at Tesco for £8 an hour which is below the London living wage. Tesco are the only supermarket who have signed up to this government scheme which seems to be aimed at taking students and graduates off the unemployment figures while giving Tesco a source of cheap labour (Tesco are big donors to the Tory Party btw).
Is this wrong....discuss!"
Trying to lower the unemployment numbers for some students will be a drop in the ocean come the end of October..when furlough scheme ends...all news items I hear from local businesses saying.."how can we pay around 50% of wages if no money coming in..".( Looks like hotel,pub businesses now among them)..yes I know it couldn't last indefinitely,but retained until next Easter may have saved some jobs,the accrued debt may after all be left to Labour to sort out.. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"The point being that the young man in question is hard-working and has been paying taxes in all the part-time jobs he has been doing throughout his life and is now being told that unless he goes on the Tesco scheme his benefits will be withdrawn. Is that fair? Is it a sensible use of a post graduate? I wonder what the ordinary Tesco workers think? "
Yes its fair. He is seeking work and the scheme has provided work. Now I understand it may not be what he ultimately wants to do but in the meantime its a job. He is free to seek alternative employment that is more suited to his education in his free time. If I were deciding who to employ in a company I would be more impressed by someone that worked in a basic job than Sat at home on benefits awaiting the perfect job |
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"The point being that the young man in question is hard-working and has been paying taxes in all the part-time jobs he has been doing throughout his life and is now being told that unless he goes on the Tesco scheme his benefits will be withdrawn. Is that fair? Is it a sensible use of a post graduate? I wonder what the ordinary Tesco workers think? "
It seems fair , yes. No one is compelling him to take a job with Tesco, he can always apply for jobs at other organisations. As stated above, potentisl employers will be much more impressed with a potential employee who has taken a job ( any job ) than an individual who expects to do nothing and be subsidised by the taxpayer. Just because he is a post graduate does not make him special. The majority of taxpayers do not want to subsidise those who choose to stay at home and do nothing
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"The point being that the young man in question is hard-working and has been paying taxes in all the part-time jobs he has been doing throughout his life and is now being told that unless he goes on the Tesco scheme his benefits will be withdrawn. Is that fair? Is it a sensible use of a post graduate? I wonder what the ordinary Tesco workers think?
Yes its fair. He is seeking work and the scheme has provided work. Now I understand it may not be what he ultimately wants to do but in the meantime its a job. He is free to seek alternative employment that is more suited to his education in his free time. If I were deciding who to employ in a company I would be more impressed by someone that worked in a basic job than Sat at home on benefits awaiting the perfect job"
The point being that it was take that job or be denied universal credit which as he has paid his taxes over the past five years in all of his jobs I feel he has an entitlement to. Your view that any job is better than being on credits is essentially what he has decided to try and do but dont forget that this is only an 8 week induction course with no guarantee of work after he has completed it, and come furlough ending I expect there is going to be a huge problem with finding any kind of job at all. |
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"The point being that the young man in question is hard-working and has been paying taxes in all the part-time jobs he has been doing throughout his life and is now being told that unless he goes on the Tesco scheme his benefits will be withdrawn. Is that fair? Is it a sensible use of a post graduate? I wonder what the ordinary Tesco workers think? It seems fair , yes. No one is compelling him to take a job with Tesco, he can always apply for jobs at other organisations. As stated above, potentisl employers will be much more impressed with a potential employee who has taken a job ( any job ) than an individual who expects to do nothing and be subsidised by the taxpayer. Just because he is a post graduate does not make him special. The majority of taxpayers do not want to subsidise those who choose to stay at home and do nothing "
He doesn’t feel himself to be a special case or want to be on benefits but circumstances have forced him to apply for universal credit. Your assertion appears to be that he is some kind of lazy self important entitled person which he is not. He has worked part time throughout his school and uni years and has never been on benefits before now. He was told by the jobcentre that if he wished to carry on receiving universal credit then his only option was to take this eight week induction course with Tesco and there will be no guarantee of a job afterwards. So if I think this is unfair and a pretence of doing something by this disastrous government then I feel its only fair to point this out. |
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"The point being that the young man in question is hard-working and has been paying taxes in all the part-time jobs he has been doing throughout his life and is now being told that unless he goes on the Tesco scheme his benefits will be withdrawn. Is that fair? Is it a sensible use of a post graduate? I wonder what the ordinary Tesco workers think? It seems fair , yes. No one is compelling him to take a job with Tesco, he can always apply for jobs at other organisations. As stated above, potentisl employers will be much more impressed with a potential employee who has taken a job ( any job ) than an individual who expects to do nothing and be subsidised by the taxpayer. Just because he is a post graduate does not make him special. The majority of taxpayers do not want to subsidise those who choose to stay at home and do nothing
He doesn’t feel himself to be a special case or want to be on benefits but circumstances have forced him to apply for universal credit. Your assertion appears to be that he is some kind of lazy self important entitled person which he is not. He has worked part time throughout his school and uni years and has never been on benefits before now. He was told by the jobcentre that if he wished to carry on receiving universal credit then his only option was to take this eight week induction course with Tesco and there will be no guarantee of a job afterwards. So if I think this is unfair and a pretence of doing something by this disastrous government then I feel its only fair to point this out. "
Apparently the only people to receive benefits are those people who have never paid tax. |
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"The point being that the young man in question is hard-working and has been paying taxes in all the part-time jobs he has been doing throughout his life and is now being told that unless he goes on the Tesco scheme his benefits will be withdrawn. Is that fair? Is it a sensible use of a post graduate? I wonder what the ordinary Tesco workers think? It seems fair , yes. No one is compelling him to take a job with Tesco, he can always apply for jobs at other organisations. As stated above, potentisl employers will be much more impressed with a potential employee who has taken a job ( any job ) than an individual who expects to do nothing and be subsidised by the taxpayer. Just because he is a post graduate does not make him special. The majority of taxpayers do not want to subsidise those who choose to stay at home and do nothing "
Are you a member of the taxpayers alliance? |
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By *ercuryMan
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And to just add, as the OP is unwilling to answer the question.
Tescos does not donate money to the Conservative party. In fact, they don't donate to any party. The assumption, made in the original post, that they are "big donors" is false.
Tescos do sponsor a reception at each of the main three party's Annual Conference. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"The point being that the young man in question is hard-working and has been paying taxes in all the part-time jobs he has been doing throughout his life and is now being told that unless he goes on the Tesco scheme his benefits will be withdrawn. Is that fair? Is it a sensible use of a post graduate? I wonder what the ordinary Tesco workers think?
Yes its fair. He is seeking work and the scheme has provided work. Now I understand it may not be what he ultimately wants to do but in the meantime its a job. He is free to seek alternative employment that is more suited to his education in his free time. If I were deciding who to employ in a company I would be more impressed by someone that worked in a basic job than Sat at home on benefits awaiting the perfect job
The point being that it was take that job or be denied universal credit which as he has paid his taxes over the past five years in all of his jobs I feel he has an entitlement to. Your view that any job is better than being on credits is essentially what he has decided to try and do but dont forget that this is only an 8 week induction course with no guarantee of work after he has completed it, and come furlough ending I expect there is going to be a huge problem with finding any kind of job at all. "
I understand what your are saying but the fact remains he is seeking work and they have offered it. The course is paid just like a job and hopefully it will lead to a job but if not he will have gained 8 weeks pay and valuable experience. The fact that he has paid taxes in the past means he is entitled to UC but must follow the rules. It does not mean he gets benefits until his ideal job comes up |
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"And to just add, as the OP is unwilling to answer the question.
Tescos does not donate money to the Conservative party. In fact, they don't donate to any party. The assumption, made in the original post, that they are "big donors" is false.
Tescos do sponsor a reception at each of the main three party's Annual Conference. "
It would be interesting to know why the original poster thought that Tesco donated money to the Conservative party . Your post confirms that this is not the case . I downloaded the Tesco statutory accounts and reviewed all the disclosure notes. There were none relating to political donations and I could not find any other evidence of donations by them to the Conservatives .
Most large companies try to remain politically neutral in order not to alienate customers . |
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Yes I was definitely on a sticky wicket about Tesco and political donations so apologies to all for a misleading post.
It seems that the ear of Boris and his cohort is bent far more easily by strident Brexiteers like the Bamford family and also the wives of various Russian oligarchs seem to be happy to donate large sums to the Tories coffers although how they accrued their wealth is open to debate. So having undermined my argument I guess I need to come back to the young man in question who when I spoke to him yesterday told me that it was a 12 week course with a job at the end of it but that it would only be a starter job ie tills/shelf stacking/picking online orders. Now he has been tutoring children for which he gets paid £25 an hour but he was told that he would have to drop that work and go on this course full time for £8 an hour, which is below the london living wage, if he wanted to carry on receiving universal credit. So to throw this back in the ring - what would you do in his position? |
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"Yes I was definitely on a sticky wicket about Tesco and political donations so apologies to all for a misleading post.
It seems that the ear of Boris and his cohort is bent far more easily by strident Brexiteers like the Bamford family and also the wives of various Russian oligarchs seem to be happy to donate large sums to the Tories coffers although how they accrued their wealth is open to debate. So having undermined my argument I guess I need to come back to the young man in question who when I spoke to him yesterday told me that it was a 12 week course with a job at the end of it but that it would only be a starter job ie tills/shelf stacking/picking online orders. Now he has been tutoring children for which he gets paid £25 an hour but he was told that he would have to drop that work and go on this course full time for £8 an hour, which is below the london living wage, if he wanted to carry on receiving universal credit. So to throw this back in the ring - what would you do in his position? "
Why is he being made to do it if he has got the tutoring job? |
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By *eroy1000Man
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"Yes I was definitely on a sticky wicket about Tesco and political donations so apologies to all for a misleading post.
It seems that the ear of Boris and his cohort is bent far more easily by strident Brexiteers like the Bamford family and also the wives of various Russian oligarchs seem to be happy to donate large sums to the Tories coffers although how they accrued their wealth is open to debate. So having undermined my argument I guess I need to come back to the young man in question who when I spoke to him yesterday told me that it was a 12 week course with a job at the end of it but that it would only be a starter job ie tills/shelf stacking/picking online orders. Now he has been tutoring children for which he gets paid £25 an hour but he was told that he would have to drop that work and go on this course full time for £8 an hour, which is below the london living wage, if he wanted to carry on receiving universal credit. So to throw this back in the ring - what would you do in his position? "
If he has a job why is he on UC? If he is seeking work then he now has it for the 12 weeks maybe more. It will give him valuable life experience and when in the future he has a job closer to his aims he will still appreciate those that work in supermarkets |
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This is my point - the job he was doing part time was supposed to become full time but covid meant the company he was working for were unable to provide him with any more work. While he was studying he supplemented his grant with part time work either waiting or tutoring. He has completed his degree and is now struggling to make enough money to pay his rent so applied for universal credit to keep him going while he tried to find more work. After a few weeks he was required to go to a job centre to be interviewed and at that interview he was told that his only option if he wanted to receive universal credit was to go on this tesco course. When he asked about carrying on with his tutoring he was told that he could only do the tesco course and would have to stop doing his tutoring. Now in the good old days of housing benefit he would have been able to top up his income while carrying on trying to build up his work and career prospects whereas now he is being told tough luck but we only have this scheme with tesco that you have to do or your kicked off the universal credit scheme. It’s a terrible system designed to make people homeless and hopeless. |
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"This is my point - the job he was doing part time was supposed to become full time but covid meant the company he was working for were unable to provide him with any more work. While he was studying he supplemented his grant with part time work either waiting or tutoring. He has completed his degree and is now struggling to make enough money to pay his rent so applied for universal credit to keep him going while he tried to find more work. After a few weeks he was required to go to a job centre to be interviewed and at that interview he was told that his only option if he wanted to receive universal credit was to go on this tesco course. When he asked about carrying on with his tutoring he was told that he could only do the tesco course and would have to stop doing his tutoring. Now in the good old days of housing benefit he would have been able to top up his income while carrying on trying to build up his work and career prospects whereas now he is being told tough luck but we only have this scheme with tesco that you have to do or your kicked off the universal credit scheme. It’s a terrible system designed to make people homeless and hopeless."
So the job he was hoping to get alas like so many is no longer available and the only income is from the part time job he used to do through his studies. It seems he needs a full time job and has been offered it. To get benefits you need to follow the rules |
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Lol I think a lot of you missed a massive point here.
Not only being forced into a job that has no impact on the person's career choice.
But it's also impacting current employees too as they are unable to get overtime topping up their wages.
This in turn increases uc benifits bill.
To me sounds like tescos is profiting big time from Cheap ass labour allowed by the tory scheme
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"Lol I think a lot of you missed a massive point here.
Not only being forced into a job that has no impact on the person's career choice.
But it's also impacting current employees too as they are unable to get overtime topping up their wages.
This in turn increases uc benifits bill.
To me sounds like tescos is profiting big time from Cheap ass labour allowed by the tory scheme
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Using another example.you can work all your life,and pay taxes etc,but if you are unfortunate enough to lose your job,you should be forced to work for a multi million pound company for £8 an hour,just to get the meagre benefits which will keep you alive.
Cant see a problem with it myself. |
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By *eroy1000Man
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"Lol I think a lot of you missed a massive point here.
Not only being forced into a job that has no impact on the person's career choice.
But it's also impacting current employees too as they are unable to get overtime topping up their wages.
This in turn increases uc benifits bill.
To me sounds like tescos is profiting big time from Cheap ass labour allowed by the tory scheme
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When you claim benefits you need to obey the rules. The fact the job offered is not in line with the individual career choice is not the point as benefits are supposed to be a temporary thing. If it were like that many would stay on benifits for ever saying they only want a particular job. I understand about the overtime impact but a company needs to make sure the jobs get done and know they cannot force overtime on people |
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"Lol I think a lot of you missed a massive point here.
Not only being forced into a job that has no impact on the person's career choice.
But it's also impacting current employees too as they are unable to get overtime topping up their wages.
This in turn increases uc benifits bill.
To me sounds like tescos is profiting big time from Cheap ass labour allowed by the tory scheme
When you claim benefits you need to obey the rules. The fact the job offered is not in line with the individual career choice is not the point as benefits are supposed to be a temporary thing. If it were like that many would stay on benifits for ever saying they only want a particular job. I understand about the overtime impact but a company needs to make sure the jobs get done and know they cannot force overtime on people"
Think I'll go on benefits...it mean its sounds absolutely amazing.. all that money you get..all that time to spend it all. |
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"Lol I think a lot of you missed a massive point here.
Not only being forced into a job that has no impact on the person's career choice.
But it's also impacting current employees too as they are unable to get overtime topping up their wages.
This in turn increases uc benifits bill.
To me sounds like tescos is profiting big time from Cheap ass labour allowed by the tory scheme
When you claim benefits you need to obey the rules. The fact the job offered is not in line with the individual career choice is not the point as benefits are supposed to be a temporary thing. If it were like that many would stay on benifits for ever saying they only want a particular job. I understand about the overtime impact but a company needs to make sure the jobs get done and know they cannot force overtime on people
Think I'll go on benefits...it mean its sounds absolutely amazing.. all that money you get..all that time to spend it all."
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"A job is a job at the end of the day, This will give him real life experience but obviously your friends son is happy to sit on the dole waiting for the 100k a year job to turn up."
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Amazing how many of you seem to think he is idly sitting on his arse waiting for the dream job to come along. The point if my post is that here is someone who has always tried to pay his way by doing part time work while completing his studies, paying taxes all the while. He finds himself in a difficult situation through no fault of his own and applies for universal credit (note that universal bit) and is told that unless he forfeits his well paid part time work and takes a pointless position on a scheme that has no appropriate usefulness to his life and career that he will be denied benefits. Also he has carried on paying rent on his student house share because it is relatively reasonable considering that he can cycle to most of his part time work and doesnt need to use public transport. If he lived in cheaper accommodation further away from his work he would be unable to make his appointments as travel would take too long. Finally have any of you considered that if he was to try and move to somewhere cheaper he would have to have a full time job or a guarantor in order to be able to rent anywhere and what Tesco is offering in terms of wages just wont work financially so in effect a hard working talented young man with good qualifications and a good idea of who and what he wants to be is being told that he cannot receive any help and he might aswell give up and go back home to live with his parents. I would call that a waste and I think there will be many other young people in his position who will feel disaffected by this scheme. |
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"Amazing how many of you seem to think he is idly sitting on his arse waiting for the dream job to come along. The point if my post is that here is someone who has always tried to pay his way by doing part time work while completing his studies, paying taxes all the while. He finds himself in a difficult situation through no fault of his own and applies for universal credit (note that universal bit) and is told that unless he forfeits his well paid part time work and takes a pointless position on a scheme that has no appropriate usefulness to his life and career that he will be denied benefits. Also he has carried on paying rent on his student house share because it is relatively reasonable considering that he can cycle to most of his part time work and doesnt need to use public transport. If he lived in cheaper accommodation further away from his work he would be unable to make his appointments as travel would take too long. Finally have any of you considered that if he was to try and move to somewhere cheaper he would have to have a full time job or a guarantor in order to be able to rent anywhere and what Tesco is offering in terms of wages just wont work financially so in effect a hard working talented young man with good qualifications and a good idea of who and what he wants to be is being told that he cannot receive any help and he might aswell give up and go back home to live with his parents. I would call that a waste and I think there will be many other young people in his position who will feel disaffected by this scheme."
Its rather simple.
Anyone who claims benefits is a lazy bastard who is living a life of luxury whilst sponging of those hard working taxpayers.
There is absolutely no excuse for anyone not to be working and we should be setting up camps for these feckless sods to be worked to the bone.
The gmnt leads by example in terms of hard work ,thats why the overworked and underpaid Christopher grayling picks up a meagre 100k for 6 hrs work a week. |
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By *exy7Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Lol I think a lot of you missed a massive point here.
Not only being forced into a job that has no impact on the person's career choice.
But it's also impacting current employees too as they are unable to get overtime topping up their wages.
This in turn increases uc benifits bill.
To me sounds like tescos is profiting big time from Cheap ass labour allowed by the tory scheme
When you claim benefits you need to obey the rules. The fact the job offered is not in line with the individual career choice is not the point as benefits are supposed to be a temporary thing. If it were like that many would stay on benifits for ever saying they only want a particular job. I understand about the overtime impact but a company needs to make sure the jobs get done and know they cannot force overtime on people
Think I'll go on benefits...it mean its sounds absolutely amazing.. all that money you get..all that time to spend it all.
I would hold on to your public sector job Lionel - much safer than private sector employment at the moment "
For the past 10 years, people in the private sector have not been too bothered about job losses, pay cuts and austerity inflicted to public services. What goes around comes around. |
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