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ClapforCarers, but don’t give them a pay rise!

By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Cardiff

So the Tory’s were happy to stand on their doorsteps and clap for Carers, but they think the minimum wage is enough pay for them.

Whilst I am not going to question those that got pay rises today (although in terms of who deserves it from the last 4 months?) it seems very evident that the Govt should have rewarded Carers, Nurses, Doctors & Porters above all else.

Whilst the economy tanks, at least give those that risked their lives some reward. This Govt are sick

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So the Tory’s were happy to stand on their doorsteps and clap for Carers, but they think the minimum wage is enough pay for them.

Whilst the economy tanks, at least give those that risked their lives some reward. This Govt are sick

The defenders will be along soon...

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Dig beneath the surface.There isnt even extra money..its gotta come from the existing budgets so there will be cuts elsewhere.

They are utterly shameless.

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Cardiff

I have no problems with Teachers or the Police, but right now if I was spending my own money, it would be on those that made the biggest difference overthe past 4 months.

Hospital staff and Carers would be at the top. I’m not sure I’d have any money left after that...

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Cardiff

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt."

Exactly, plus the others were privatised...

The Govt should set an example and also advise aminimum wage for the Private Sector. They can’t just say its not their problem

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt."

Local council isn't central government. They have their own budgets and the power to pay their carers more if they wish to.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Exactly, plus the others were privatised...

The Govt should set an example and also advise aminimum wage for the Private Sector. They can’t just say its not their problem

The government do advise a minimum wage. It's imaginatively called, The Minimum Wage.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Cardiff

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Local council isn't central government. They have their own budgets and the power to pay their carers more if they wish to."

They are funded by the Govt...

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Local council isn't central government. They have their own budgets and the power to pay their carers more if they wish to."

That rather depends on how much central gmnt gives them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Local council isn't central government. They have their own budgets and the power to pay their carers more if they wish to.

They are funded by the Govt...

I'll make sure to point that out when I pay my local council tax bill.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Cardiff

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Exactly, plus the others were privatised...

The Govt should set an example and also advise aminimum wage for the Private Sector. They can’t just say its not their problem

The government do advise a minimum wage. It's imaginatively called, The Minimum Wage."

Is that what you think Carers deserve?

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

I’m surprised that people are surprised. Just sums up the tories. Clap, clap, clap.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Exactly, plus the others were privatised...

The Govt should set an example and also advise aminimum wage for the Private Sector. They can’t just say its not their problem

The government do advise a minimum wage. It's imaginatively called, The Minimum Wage.

Is that what you think Carers deserve?

You said they should advise a minimum wage, I merely pointed out they do.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Cardiff

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Local council isn't central government. They have their own budgets and the power to pay their carers more if they wish to.

They are funded by the Govt...

I'll make sure to point that out when I pay my local council tax bill."

The Govt also pay local councils, have a look its not hard to find. Plus they restrict Councils ability to increase council tax.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Cardiff

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Exactly, plus the others were privatised...

The Govt should set an example and also advise aminimum wage for the Private Sector. They can’t just say its not their problem

The government do advise a minimum wage. It's imaginatively called, The Minimum Wage.

Is that what you think Carers deserve?

You said they should advise a minimum wage, I merely pointed out they do."

My question still stands - I don’t think it is fair.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Local council isn't central government. They have their own budgets and the power to pay their carers more if they wish to.

They are funded by the Govt...

I'll make sure to point that out when I pay my local council tax bill.

The Govt also pay local councils, have a look its not hard to find. Plus they restrict Councils ability to increase council tax."

So you do agree that councils also raise their own budgets then? If you think central government should pay for everything, I'd be a very happy man cause I know who had consistently put my bill up by the maximum amount they can without actually having to ask people if they can every single year.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Cardiff

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Local council isn't central government. They have their own budgets and the power to pay their carers more if they wish to.

They are funded by the Govt...

I'll make sure to point that out when I pay my local council tax bill.

The Govt also pay local councils, have a look its not hard to find. Plus they restrict Councils ability to increase council tax.

So should Carers only be paid the minimum wage?

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Local council isn't central government. They have their own budgets and the power to pay their carers more if they wish to.

They are funded by the Govt...

I'll make sure to point that out when I pay my local council tax bill.

The Govt also pay local councils, have a look its not hard to find. Plus they restrict Councils ability to increase council tax."

Do Labour run councils pay their carers more than Conservative ones?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Exactly, plus the others were privatised...

The Govt should set an example and also advise aminimum wage for the Private Sector. They can’t just say its not their problem

The government do advise a minimum wage. It's imaginatively called, The Minimum Wage.

Is that what you think Carers deserve?

You said they should advise a minimum wage, I merely pointed out they do.

My question still stands - I don’t think it is fair."

I'm not really interested in your question as your only asking it to gain some kind of perceived moral high ground. Do you think it's fair anyone is paid the minimum wage?

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt."

Very few are. The vast majority are Private Companies.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Cardiff

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Local council isn't central government. They have their own budgets and the power to pay their carers more if they wish to.

They are funded by the Govt...

I'll make sure to point that out when I pay my local council tax bill.

The Govt also pay local councils, have a look its not hard to find. Plus they restrict Councils ability to increase council tax.

Do Labour run councils pay their carers more than Conservative ones? "

Should Carers be paid minimum wage, full stop?

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Cardiff

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Exactly, plus the others were privatised...

The Govt should set an example and also advise aminimum wage for the Private Sector. They can’t just say its not their problem

The government do advise a minimum wage. It's imaginatively called, The Minimum Wage.

Is that what you think Carers deserve?

You said they should advise a minimum wage, I merely pointed out they do.

My question still stands - I don’t think it is fair.

I'm not really interested in your question as your only asking it to gain some kind of perceived moral high ground. Do you think it's fair anyone is paid the minimum wage?"

Its not a hard question to answer either way?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Local council isn't central government. They have their own budgets and the power to pay their carers more if they wish to.

They are funded by the Govt...

I'll make sure to point that out when I pay my local council tax bill.

The Govt also pay local councils, have a look its not hard to find. Plus they restrict Councils ability to increase council tax."

Loads of councils have had their funding slashed.

Weirdly enough they tend to be the labour run ones.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Exactly, plus the others were privatised...

The Govt should set an example and also advise aminimum wage for the Private Sector. They can’t just say its not their problem

The government do advise a minimum wage. It's imaginatively called, The Minimum Wage.

Is that what you think Carers deserve?

You said they should advise a minimum wage, I merely pointed out they do.

My question still stands - I don’t think it is fair.

I'm not really interested in your question as your only asking it to gain some kind of perceived moral high ground. Do you think it's fair anyone is paid the minimum wage?

Its not a hard question to answer either way?"

Neither was mine, just shows you're as disinterested in mine as I am in yours.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Local council isn't central government. They have their own budgets and the power to pay their carers more if they wish to.

They are funded by the Govt...

I'll make sure to point that out when I pay my local council tax bill.

The Govt also pay local councils, have a look its not hard to find. Plus they restrict Councils ability to increase council tax.

Do Labour run councils pay their carers more than Conservative ones? "

How can they when they get less money?

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.

Plus local Government already charge all of us for 'care'through the rates.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Cardiff

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Exactly, plus the others were privatised...

The Govt should set an example and also advise aminimum wage for the Private Sector. They can’t just say its not their problem

The government do advise a minimum wage. It's imaginatively called, The Minimum Wage.

Is that what you think Carers deserve?

You said they should advise a minimum wage, I merely pointed out they do.

My question still stands - I don’t think it is fair.

I'm not really interested in your question as your only asking it to gain some kind of perceived moral high ground. Do you think it's fair anyone is paid the minimum wage?

Its not a hard question to answer either way?

Neither was mine, just shows you're as disinterested in mine as I am in yours."

Ok, my answer is no in principle. I accept that a minimum is needed to keep it dropping to zero, but I feel that those that have shown the greatest sacrificeover the past 4 months deserve better than this. How about you?

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Cardiff

"Plus local Government already charge all of us for 'care'through the rates.

Please look at Local Govt funding. Rates are just part of it.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.

"Plus local Government already charge all of us for 'care'through the rates.

Please look at Local Govt funding. Rates are just part of it."

I Know what it is - All local councils can charge a supplement for 'care' in their unitary area.

All other care is Private - therefore not in the Government remit for pay. If people want a pay rise through that channel then they need to petition the care company.

I'm not arguing for either - just pointing out that Central government are in the main not responsible for carer pay.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Exactly, plus the others were privatised...

The Govt should set an example and also advise aminimum wage for the Private Sector. They can’t just say its not their problem

The government do advise a minimum wage. It's imaginatively called, The Minimum Wage.

Is that what you think Carers deserve?

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carers have always been overlooked all we have heard is the doctors and nurses carers do all the personal care and been at a huge roar with Covid they need a big pay rise and more respect ppl talk about nurses useing food banks on 24 grand a yr so how many carers were I front of them queuing on minimum wage

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Plus local Government already charge all of us for 'care'through the rates.

Please look at Local Govt funding. Rates are just part of it.

I Know what it is - All local councils can charge a supplement for 'care' in their unitary area.

All other care is Private - therefore not in the Government remit for pay. If people want a pay rise through that channel then they need to petition the care company.

I'm not arguing for either - just pointing out that Central government are in the main not responsible for carer pay.

They have a duty of care though.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.

"Plus local Government already charge all of us for 'care'through the rates.

Please look at Local Govt funding. Rates are just part of it.

I Know what it is - All local councils can charge a supplement for 'care' in their unitary area.

All other care is Private - therefore not in the Government remit for pay. If people want a pay rise through that channel then they need to petition the care company.

I'm not arguing for either - just pointing out that Central government are in the main not responsible for carer pay.

They have a duty of care though."

That's a non-sensical sentence with regard to pay.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Exactly, plus the others were privatised...

The Govt should set an example and also advise aminimum wage for the Private Sector. They can’t just say its not their problem

The government do advise a minimum wage. It's imaginatively called, The Minimum Wage.

Is that what you think Carers deserve?

You said they should advise a minimum wage, I merely pointed out they do.

My question still stands - I don’t think it is fair.

I'm not really interested in your question as your only asking it to gain some kind of perceived moral high ground. Do you think it's fair anyone is paid the minimum wage?

Its not a hard question to answer either way?

Neither was mine, just shows you're as disinterested in mine as I am in yours.

No, they signed up knowing it was a minimum wage job, if you think they should have a pay rise just for doing their job then campaign for higher taxes to pay for a higher minimum wage for everyone or go to your local care home and put your hand in your own pocket to show your appreciation. Otherwise, pick what other services are going to be cut to pay for it, except I suspect you will avoid having to make that kind of decision as then you wouldn't be able to blame someone else for having to make the hard choices.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Plus local Government already charge all of us for 'care'through the rates.

Please look at Local Govt funding. Rates are just part of it.

I Know what it is - All local councils can charge a supplement for 'care' in their unitary area.

All other care is Private - therefore not in the Government remit for pay. If people want a pay rise through that channel then they need to petition the care company.

I'm not arguing for either - just pointing out that Central government are in the main not responsible for carer pay.

They have a duty of care though.

That's a non-sensical sentence with regard to pay."

They have a duty of care in regards the care sector.Last year £22billion was spent on social care so the notion that they have no responsibility whatsoever is inaccurate.

A lot of homes are in private hands but the state still has some responsibility.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Exactly, plus the others were privatised...

The Govt should set an example and also advise aminimum wage for the Private Sector. They can’t just say its not their problem

The government do advise a minimum wage. It's imaginatively called, The Minimum Wage.

Is that what you think Carers deserve?

You said they should advise a minimum wage, I merely pointed out they do.

My question still stands - I don’t think it is fair.

I'm not really interested in your question as your only asking it to gain some kind of perceived moral high ground. Do you think it's fair anyone is paid the minimum wage?

Its not a hard question to answer either way?

Neither was mine, just shows you're as disinterested in mine as I am in yours.

I wouldn't know where to start with that.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.

"Plus local Government already charge all of us for 'care'through the rates.

Please look at Local Govt funding. Rates are just part of it.

I Know what it is - All local councils can charge a supplement for 'care' in their unitary area.

All other care is Private - therefore not in the Government remit for pay. If people want a pay rise through that channel then they need to petition the care company.

I'm not arguing for either - just pointing out that Central government are in the main not responsible for carer pay.

They have a duty of care though.

That's a non-sensical sentence with regard to pay.

They have a duty of care in regards the care sector.Last year £22billion was spent on social care so the notion that they have no responsibility whatsoever is inaccurate.

A lot of homes are in private hands but the state still has some responsibility. "

£22 billion spent by who?

Local Government have that responsibility. But only when a Private care company fails. They are just as often Labour or Conservative.

But NOT for Pay.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Exactly, plus the others were privatised...

The Govt should set an example and also advise aminimum wage for the Private Sector. They can’t just say its not their problem

The government do advise a minimum wage. It's imaginatively called, The Minimum Wage.

Is that what you think Carers deserve?

You said they should advise a minimum wage, I merely pointed out they do.

My question still stands - I don’t think it is fair.

I'm not really interested in your question as your only asking it to gain some kind of perceived moral high ground. Do you think it's fair anyone is paid the minimum wage?

Its not a hard question to answer either way?

Neither was mine, just shows you're as disinterested in mine as I am in yours.

I wouldn't know where to start with that."

You can start by explaining what services you would be willing to take away from someone else to pay for it. Maybe a few libraries could go? Or perhaps there are some services for blind people that aren't really used that much? And then suddenly maybe cutting things to give a knee jerk pay rise doesn't sound like such a great idea.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Exactly, plus the others were privatised...

The Govt should set an example and also advise aminimum wage for the Private Sector. They can’t just say its not their problem

The government do advise a minimum wage. It's imaginatively called, The Minimum Wage.

Is that what you think Carers deserve?

You said they should advise a minimum wage, I merely pointed out they do.

My question still stands - I don’t think it is fair.

I'm not really interested in your question as your only asking it to gain some kind of perceived moral high ground. Do you think it's fair anyone is paid the minimum wage?

Its not a hard question to answer either way?

Neither was mine, just shows you're as disinterested in mine as I am in yours.

I wouldn't know where to start with that.

Or, make corporations pay their tax..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Exactly, plus the others were privatised...

The Govt should set an example and also advise aminimum wage for the Private Sector. They can’t just say its not their problem

The government do advise a minimum wage. It's imaginatively called, The Minimum Wage.

Is that what you think Carers deserve?

You said they should advise a minimum wage, I merely pointed out they do.

My question still stands - I don’t think it is fair.

I'm not really interested in your question as your only asking it to gain some kind of perceived moral high ground. Do you think it's fair anyone is paid the minimum wage?

Its not a hard question to answer either way?

Neither was mine, just shows you're as disinterested in mine as I am in yours.

I wouldn't know where to start with that.

Or, make corporations pay their tax.."

Which would go to central government and not local government, and certainly not to private companies. Excellent work on suggesting a solution to something that isn't actually the problem we were talking about.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Exactly, plus the others were privatised...

The Govt should set an example and also advise aminimum wage for the Private Sector. They can’t just say its not their problem

The government do advise a minimum wage. It's imaginatively called, The Minimum Wage.

Is that what you think Carers deserve?

You said they should advise a minimum wage, I merely pointed out they do.

My question still stands - I don’t think it is fair.

I'm not really interested in your question as your only asking it to gain some kind of perceived moral high ground. Do you think it's fair anyone is paid the minimum wage?

Its not a hard question to answer either way?

Neither was mine, just shows you're as disinterested in mine as I am in yours.

I wouldn't know where to start with that.

I'm not sure there are any libraries left.

Cameron saw to that

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Exactly, plus the others were privatised...

The Govt should set an example and also advise aminimum wage for the Private Sector. They can’t just say its not their problem

The government do advise a minimum wage. It's imaginatively called, The Minimum Wage.

Is that what you think Carers deserve?

You said they should advise a minimum wage, I merely pointed out they do.

My question still stands - I don’t think it is fair.

I'm not really interested in your question as your only asking it to gain some kind of perceived moral high ground. Do you think it's fair anyone is paid the minimum wage?

Its not a hard question to answer either way?

Neither was mine, just shows you're as disinterested in mine as I am in yours.

I wouldn't know where to start with that.

Or, make corporations pay their tax..

Where do local gmnt get their money from?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Exactly, plus the others were privatised...

The Govt should set an example and also advise aminimum wage for the Private Sector. They can’t just say its not their problem

The government do advise a minimum wage. It's imaginatively called, The Minimum Wage.

Is that what you think Carers deserve?

You said they should advise a minimum wage, I merely pointed out they do.

My question still stands - I don’t think it is fair.

I'm not really interested in your question as your only asking it to gain some kind of perceived moral high ground. Do you think it's fair anyone is paid the minimum wage?

Its not a hard question to answer either way?

Neither was mine, just shows you're as disinterested in mine as I am in yours.

I wouldn't know where to start with that.

Or, make corporations pay their tax..

Wow, just wow....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Exactly, plus the others were privatised...

The Govt should set an example and also advise aminimum wage for the Private Sector. They can’t just say its not their problem

The government do advise a minimum wage. It's imaginatively called, The Minimum Wage.

Is that what you think Carers deserve?

You said they should advise a minimum wage, I merely pointed out they do.

My question still stands - I don’t think it is fair.

I'm not really interested in your question as your only asking it to gain some kind of perceived moral high ground. Do you think it's fair anyone is paid the minimum wage?

Its not a hard question to answer either way?

Neither was mine, just shows you're as disinterested in mine as I am in yours.

I wouldn't know where to start with that.

Or, make corporations pay their tax..

Where do local gmnt get their money from?"

We have already established that care is paid for from the care element of your local council tax. So in this instance, your local government get their money from you.

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Exactly, plus the others were privatised...

The Govt should set an example and also advise aminimum wage for the Private Sector. They can’t just say its not their problem

The government do advise a minimum wage. It's imaginatively called, The Minimum Wage.

Is that what you think Carers deserve?

You said they should advise a minimum wage, I merely pointed out they do.

My question still stands - I don’t think it is fair.

I'm not really interested in your question as your only asking it to gain some kind of perceived moral high ground. Do you think it's fair anyone is paid the minimum wage?

Its not a hard question to answer either way?

Neither was mine, just shows you're as disinterested in mine as I am in yours.

I wouldn't know where to start with that.

Or, make corporations pay their tax.."

A noble idea, but as per my Apple thread last week, they are always one step ahead.

Until taxing multi-nationals becomes a global issue, then the idea is a non-starter.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Exactly, plus the others were privatised...

The Govt should set an example and also advise aminimum wage for the Private Sector. They can’t just say its not their problem

The government do advise a minimum wage. It's imaginatively called, The Minimum Wage.

Is that what you think Carers deserve?

You said they should advise a minimum wage, I merely pointed out they do.

My question still stands - I don’t think it is fair.

I'm not really interested in your question as your only asking it to gain some kind of perceived moral high ground. Do you think it's fair anyone is paid the minimum wage?

Its not a hard question to answer either way?

Neither was mine, just shows you're as disinterested in mine as I am in yours.

I wouldn't know where to start with that.

Or, make corporations pay their tax..

A noble idea, but as per my Apple thread last week, they are always one step ahead.

Until taxing multi-nationals becomes a global issue, then the idea is a non-starter.

If only there were some..club of countries who have vowed to work together to go after such companies....

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

"The Goverment isnt responsible for the pay of carers.

Some carers are employed by local councils..therefore central gmnt.

Exactly, plus the others were privatised...

The Govt should set an example and also advise aminimum wage for the Private Sector. They can’t just say its not their problem

The government do advise a minimum wage. It's imaginatively called, The Minimum Wage.

Is that what you think Carers deserve?

You said they should advise a minimum wage, I merely pointed out they do.

My question still stands - I don’t think it is fair.

I'm not really interested in your question as your only asking it to gain some kind of perceived moral high ground. Do you think it's fair anyone is paid the minimum wage?

Its not a hard question to answer either way?

Neither was mine, just shows you're as disinterested in mine as I am in yours.

I wouldn't know where to start with that.

Or, make corporations pay their tax..

A noble idea, but as per my Apple thread last week, they are always one step ahead.

Until taxing multi-nationals becomes a global issue, then the idea is a non-starter.

If only there were some..club of countries who have vowed to work together to go after such companies...."

You mean like Holland, Luxembourg and Ireland?

The european tax avoidance club?

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Cardiff

I think this thread is about the Govt giving pay rises and ignoring Care workers (as the Minister said, because we privatised them). Now the question is why do we undervalue people who care for the elderly & sick? During crises we fait them, laud them, call them Saints, but when it comes to paying them - nope minimum wage is good enough. Surely this is just not right and should be changed?

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By *ike676767Man over a year ago

Near Taunton

86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Cardiff

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks."

? Sorry, are you saying this is acceptable?

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By *armandwet50Couple over a year ago

Far far away

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

? Sorry, are you saying this is acceptable?"

Yes

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

Its the system and the one disadvantage of the minimum wage. It becomes the acceptable minimum "target" wage.

I've consistently said that social care needs a non-political grown up conversation. All parties commit to doing their part, and if that needs a tax rise, then so be it.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks."

They are paid what they are given.

It's not 'accepted 'they have no choice.

Pay rises for people who save lives on a daily basis and teach our kids is wrong.

It's like reading a daily mail editorial.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

They are paid what they are given.

It's not 'accepted 'they have no choice.

Pay rises for people who save lives on a daily basis and teach our kids is wrong.

It's like reading a daily mail editorial.

The job market for carers is no different to any other, I have to accept a certain level of salary for the work I do, I could turn round and ask for 50k a year, except I wouldn't get it. If I want that much, I need to retrain and move to a different role. But I don't, because I want to do the work I do and knew what the salary expectations were when I signed up.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

They are paid what they are given.

It's not 'accepted 'they have no choice.

Pay rises for people who save lives on a daily basis and teach our kids is wrong.

It's like reading a daily mail editorial.

I don't see your point.

You do the job you want to do.

Some people don't have that luxury.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

They are paid what they are given.

It's not 'accepted 'they have no choice.

Pay rises for people who save lives on a daily basis and teach our kids is wrong.

It's like reading a daily mail editorial.

I don't see your point.

You do the job you want to do.

Some people don't have that luxury."

No you chose not to see my point. Everyone has a choice of what they do. If they don't like their choices, then retrain and do something else. Or are you suggesting that carers aren't able to learn new skills and are only capable of being a carer? Everyone I know in the care industry actively chose to go into that job, none of them were forced to.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks."

As a public sector employee myself, I’m going to be as extreme and idiotic as you. I don’t give a toss about how bad things are for the private sector. People were furloughed for months doing f all but still being paid 80% when I carried on working, they have had huge bonuses for years, company cars, have had pay rises for ten years when mine was frozen. Early retirement at 55? You need to update your sources and arrive in the 21st century. Who would do this? You’d get peanuts.

People in the public sector haven’t been furloughed. They have carried on working whilst you got 80% of your salary doing f all. And even if things were as rosey for them as you say, you can always join the public sector. Show us how good a teacher, nurse or cop you can be. There are plenty of vacancies. Surprising isn’t it as they’ve got it so easy.

This stupid way to oppose the public and the private sectors constantly is ridiculous. Schools, hospitals, police stations have had to deal with so many cuts that the working conditions are much tougher than they used to be. Why do think a lot of GPs move to Australia or NZ, why do you think a third of newly qualified teachers leave the profession within three years of their first job when they gave it so easy? Take your blinkers off.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

Then you clearly know fuck all about the private sector, I've not been furloughed at all, in the last ten years had considerably less payrises than the public sector, don't have a company car (and quite frankly don't want one as they are actually a tax liability now), I've taken a significant pay cut due to Covid and can also only dream of retiring at 55. Yes there are people earning too much in the private sector, just as there are people earning too much in the public one. You are the one wearing blinkers thinking that every blade of grass on the other side of the fence is greener.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

They are paid what they are given.

It's not 'accepted 'they have no choice.

Pay rises for people who save lives on a daily basis and teach our kids is wrong.

It's like reading a daily mail editorial.

I don't see your point.

You do the job you want to do.

Some people don't have that luxury.

Everyone has a choice..true.I wanna play for liverpool but it's not going to happen.

Due to circumstance,education,the job of market some people may not have a chouce6 but to be a career.

Carers look after the most. vulnerable in our society.

What would we do if every single carer decided to swerve it?

A decent society would look to pay its carers more..not tell them to find another job.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

Who retires at 55?

I'm a public sector worker and we certainly don't.

Who earns too much in the public sector exactly?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

Who retires at 55?

I'm a public sector worker and we certainly don't.

Who earns too much in the public sector exactly?"

Pretty sure you can go Google how much some councillors, mp's, back room "managers" etc earn just as easily as the rest of us.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

Who retires at 55?

I'm a public sector worker and we certainly don't.

Who earns too much in the public sector exactly?

Pretty sure you can go Google how much some councillors, mp's, back room "managers" etc earn just as easily as the rest of us. "

What councillors exactly?

What is a back room manager?

I'll ask again..who retires at 55?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

Who retires at 55?

I'm a public sector worker and we certainly don't.

Who earns too much in the public sector exactly?

Pretty sure you can go Google how much some councillors, mp's, back room "managers" etc earn just as easily as the rest of us.

What councillors exactly?

What is a back room manager?

I'll ask again..who retires at 55?"

I'm not Google, go look it up yourself, it's clearly there in public record.

As for retiring at 55, read the posts properly, I didn't say they did, that was a response to another poster claiming that it's something that happens often in the private sector.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You are right about me not knowing much about the private sector. My post was partly tongue in cheek because most people judge public sector’s jobs without having a clue about what it’s like. Why should it be ok for public sector’s employees to have to put up with so many untrue cliches and lies? My arguments were as crap as the ones I was responding too. You are shocked at my post but You didn’t seem to be as shocked at the false accusations made by the post I quoted.

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By *ethnmelv OP Couple over a year ago

Cardiff

My point about Carers also reflected on the fact that they have supported the most vulnerable during Covid. They have often also been closest (barring nurses and doctors) to people who have Covid.

So just saying it is a choice for them is imbecilic in the extreme. Many people do the job because for them it is avocation. Some perhaps because it is all that is available, but most because they care about people.

My point is that they are being undervalued by society, which is bad in normal times, but appalling now. Clearly the Govt can influence this, but it seems too many of ‘Joe Public’ don’t seem to give a toss. Trying to compare one’s own choices and experiences with those that have been in the front line against Covid is just wrong & shows them up as the fools they are.

It is time we pay those that care for us a reasonable wage. So the Govt choosing to ignore them shows what they are really like

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

What needs to change in the public sector is the top jobs with people doing very little for far too much mo et. People who run schools trusts on £150k a year for example or people on the NHS earning more than £100k. However you are talking about a tiny minority- probably 0.1% of public sector employees. For the other ones, conditions are not as good as people want to believe they are.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

I'm definitely not shocked by your post, you regularly posts similar opinions and intentionally controversial statements trying to get a rise out of people. And please don't hide behind the "I was being tongue in cheek" own your own opinions, even if they meet with resistance.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

Who retires at 55?

I'm a public sector worker and we certainly don't.

Who earns too much in the public sector exactly?

Pretty sure you can go Google how much some councillors, mp's, back room "managers" etc earn just as easily as the rest of us.

What councillors exactly?

What is a back room manager?

I'll ask again..who retires at 55?

I'm not Google, go look it up yourself, it's clearly there in public record.

As for retiring at 55, read the posts properly, I didn't say they did, that was a response to another poster claiming that it's something that happens often in the private sector."

In other words you were talking nonsense?

We have just had a 6 year pay freeze.We may get 1% this year despite working through the crises.

Our pensions have been attacked so we are working longer and getting less.

So anyone who starts going in about how cushy it is in the public sector is talking out of their arse.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

Who retires at 55?

I'm a public sector worker and we certainly don't.

Who earns too much in the public sector exactly?

Pretty sure you can go Google how much some councillors, mp's, back room "managers" etc earn just as easily as the rest of us.

What councillors exactly?

What is a back room manager?

I'll ask again..who retires at 55?

I'm not Google, go look it up yourself, it's clearly there in public record.

As for retiring at 55, read the posts properly, I didn't say they did, that was a response to another poster claiming that it's something that happens often in the private sector.

In other words you were talking nonsense?

We have just had a 6 year pay freeze.We may get 1% this year despite working through the crises.

Our pensions have been attacked so we are working longer and getting less.

So anyone who starts going in about how cushy it is in the public sector is talking out of their arse."

No I'm just saying I'm not your mother and you're big enough to go search for the exact names and figures yourself if you want them. Again, they are there for anyone to see if they care to look.

I didn't say the public sector was cushy, I merely pointed out that the public sector for the main part isn't either.

My pension has also been attacked twice in the last decade and that's without the government moving the goalposts on retirement age. I'm glad you are getting a pay rise after 6 years, I'll swap you for the pay cut I've taken in the last 7.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

Before teaching other people lessons, you may want to look at the utter nonsense in yours. Your arguments about the public sector are complete bull. If there’s someone here who’s managed to cause some controversy and provoke people with untruths, it’s clearly you.

If you didn’t get all those fantastic things which are possible in the private sector, why don’t you do an other job in the same sector and get these things? Retrain. Nobody forced you to do that job etc etc... The advantage of those silly statements is that they can be used both ways.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

I don't retrain and do a different job because I don't want to. I also don't turn around and demand arbitrary pay rises. I am using the choice I have in the full knowledge of what the pay level is for the work I do. Simple enough for you?

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

I don’t ask for arbitrary pay rises either and nobody has here to my knowledge. Please having accusing people of saying something they haven’t just to justify your drivel.

So you don’t want to retrain or do a different job, do you? Well, maybe it’s the same for people who work in the care sector.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

I don’t ask for arbitrary pay rises either and nobody has here to my knowledge. Please having accusing people of saying something they haven’t just to justify your drivel.

So you don’t want to retrain or do a different job, do you? Well, maybe it’s the same for people who work in the care sector. "

So you agree then that some care staff are in a care job that pays the minimum wage through choice.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

Maybe this sentence at the start of my post could have put you on the right track and given you the idea that my post was tongue in cheek;

As a public sector employee myself, I’m going to be as extreme and idiotic as you.

If you retrain, don’t try the police, Sherlock.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

Maybe this sentence at the start of my post could have put you on the right track and given you the idea that my post was tongue in cheek;

As a public sector employee myself, I’m going to be as extreme and idiotic as you.

If you retrain, don’t try the police, Sherlock.

That's not tongue in cheek, that's confrontational. I don't have the same opinion as you, therefore what I say is extreme and idiotic is it. Likewise, if you want to retrain, you too should avoid the police. Pretty sure you'd fail the de escalation training.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

I don’t ask for arbitrary pay rises either and nobody has here to my knowledge. Please having accusing people of saying something they haven’t just to justify your drivel.

So you don’t want to retrain or do a different job, do you? Well, maybe it’s the same for people who work in the care sector.

So you agree then that some care staff are in a care job that pays the minimum wage through choice. "

I don’t know to be honest and I know very little about the care sector but it’s easy to ask people to retrain. How many people can retrain with the pressure and constraints of family life? Retraining looks good on paper. In real life, less so and I guess that’s why so few people do it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?"

No, but demanding a blanket one for an entire sector of the workplace, irrespective of individual contributions is. There are many carers who have had a challenging time, there are many who haven't had to deal with a single Covid person. And before you question that, yes I know some first hand.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

Maybe this sentence at the start of my post could have put you on the right track and given you the idea that my post was tongue in cheek;

As a public sector employee myself, I’m going to be as extreme and idiotic as you.

If you retrain, don’t try the police, Sherlock.

You decided to see it as confrontational. As mentioned before your fallacious arguments are plain silly. I don’t need to retrain but hey, I’m not the one complaining about how wonderful things are for other people. I’m just trying to defend my profession against the people who think we have it so easy.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

Maybe this sentence at the start of my post could have put you on the right track and given you the idea that my post was tongue in cheek;

As a public sector employee myself, I’m going to be as extreme and idiotic as you.

If you retrain, don’t try the police, Sherlock.

At no point have I said you have it easy, the closest I got was pointing out that it's not a bed of roses on the other side either.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

The people who are suggesting that carers as a whole should be given a pay rise by the government, seemingly irrespective of whether the government actually pays them. Pay rises should be decided on individual merit and is typically done as part of an annual or bi annual performance review. Or if they are on the lowest tier of income and don't qualify for a specific pay rise individually, this should be assessed by a review body as part of the process for setting the base minimum or living wage.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

Personally like everyone, I had the choice twenty five years ago to work for either the public sector or the private sector. I’ve always wanted to do the job I do since I was a child. It is a vocation. I knew at the time that my qualifications, I could have found a much better paid job in the private sector and have many more advantages than my profession offers. I’m sure that I could have earned twice as much in the private sector.

However, I went for the job I love and job security. That’s it. I am not jealous of people who earn a fortune in the private sector as I decided not to go down this route.

Things change. There are times during which being in the private sector is advantageous and others when it’s not. Now it is not advantageous. Well, you had the choice at some point to go for a safer job. You didn’t and nobody but yourself is responsible for this.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?"

This phrase was used as an example in response to people justifying a blanket pay rise for all carers due to the work they have done during the period of Covid. If they have worked in a care home that has been particularly hard hit, then quite possibly those individuals deserve a raise, if they have not been exposed to it at all, then aside from additional PPE requirements and implementation of checks and protocols the same as almost every single other industry in the country, then how does that in and of itself warrant a raise?

Also, private care staff can have pay set the same as any other private sector employees so different pay for people who all do fundamentally the same job. With public sector, you are given a band and there is an upper and lower threshold. Your pay can be anywhere in that range. There may be some exceptions, but that is generally the way it works.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

minimum wage is for over 25s is £8.72 an hour and for unskilled work thats damn good money.

Before anyone starts you dont know what its like etc when I left school before going to college I did a year in an unskilled job and I got £2.92 an hour which would be around £4.50 today.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So the Tory’s were happy to stand on their doorsteps and clap for Carers, but they think the minimum wage is enough pay for them.

Whilst the economy tanks, at least give those that risked their lives some reward. This Govt are sick

It's the tories doing a shit job of looking magnanimous when in fact they're just re arranging who gets what from an existing budget.

So, question is, who/what loose out?

School equipment? School maintenance?, or wage cuts?

And who will the tories blame?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"minimum wage is for over 25s is £8.72 an hour and for unskilled work thats damn good money.

Before anyone starts you dont know what its like etc when I left school before going to college I did a year in an unskilled job and I got £2.92 an hour which would be around £4.50 today."

What year did you leave college?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger."

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Can I ask you a question?

What is it,that those people who a do such an important yet poorly paid job,request to be paid a decent wage,that so is abhorrent to you?

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

Funny how all the people debating with you are thes ones not reading posts well enough or are being provocative. Your posts are quite inflammatory in a way so don’t be surprised to get a bit of stick. Maybe you should try to answer my previous post. It was meant to be for you although I forgot to quote you.

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By *oxychick35Couple over a year ago

thornaby

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance."
well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

Funny how for the last ten years, so few people from the private sector noticed that public sector employees’ salaries were almost frozen. In the meantime, the vast majority of private sector people’s salaries went up. Now that the first time on 11 years we are getting a pay rise that matches inflation, some of them are having a heart attack.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes "

So how is this the governments business beyond where they are directly employed by the government? Or are you going to advocate that the government can force certain sectors of privately run business to increase these wages? Alternatively, are you going to advocate that the government must raise the minimum wage to facilitate this? There by benefitting huge swathes of the population that aren't carers? The original title of this thread lays the blame at the feet of the government, yet we quickly established that a large part of this is not directly under government control, unless you start implementing some kind of nationalisation.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Can I ask you a question?

What is it,that those people who a do such an important yet poorly paid job,request to be paid a decent wage,that so is abhorrent to you?"

Its not that they should be looked after better, its the notion that its the Goverment that should be doing it.

The OP incorrectly stated that. Its been pointed out that the pay of carers is not their responsibility, save setting the minimum wage/living wage.

Carers should be given a decent renumeration, and not just because of covid. The discussion now, should be how much and how it can be financed.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

Who let the care sector being privatised so fragmented. Not this gvt but their mates from the same party a long time ago.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

Also are you suggesting the gmnt has no responsibility re social care?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Can I ask you a question?

What is it,that those people who a do such an important yet poorly paid job,request to be paid a decent wage,that so is abhorrent to you?"

I have never said it's abhorrent, I am simply saying that a total blanket entitlement for one sector is wrong. Especially when the responsibility is being layed at the governments feet when in a large number of cases they don't even employ them. That's exactly the same as me turning round and saying the bloke next door deserves a pay rise, you don't know him, but your company can pay for it.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

Also are you suggesting the gmnt has no responsibility re social care?"

It’s like PMQs. The guy doesn’t answer questions and moves on to a more friendly territory. The whole thing is a waste of time.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Can I ask you a question?

What is it,that those people who a do such an important yet poorly paid job,request to be paid a decent wage,that so is abhorrent to you?

Its not that they should be looked after better, its the notion that its the Goverment that should be doing it.

The OP incorrectly stated that. Its been pointed out that the pay of carers is not their responsibility, save setting the minimum wage/living wage.

Carers should be given a decent renumeration, and not just because of covid. The discussion now, should be how much and how it can be financed. "

Like I just said the minimum wage should be increased.

Even though big chunks of social care the gmnt has a duty of care..morally if not anything else They cant just wash their hands of it.

I read yesterday 55 billion was spent on social care last year.Where does that money go?

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Can I ask you a question?

What is it,that those people who a do such an important yet poorly paid job,request to be paid a decent wage,that so is abhorrent to you?

So how do you think public sector’s employees should be managed and their pay rises be decided?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Can I ask you a question?

What is it,that those people who a do such an important yet poorly paid job,request to be paid a decent wage,that so is abhorrent to you?

Do the gmnt have no responsibility at all in terms of social care?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

Also are you suggesting the gmnt has no responsibility re social care?"
. The original post was for a raise for carers specifically. Minimum wage does not target them specifically and I have already mentioned that.

The government has a duty of care to people who cannot look after themselves, therefore the governments responsibility is for the patients of the care homes not the staff. Unless you have a single state run care system, you still haven't explained how it's the governments job to set the pay rate for private companies staff beyond that required by minimum wage.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

Also are you suggesting the gmnt has no responsibility re social care?

It’s like PMQs. The guy doesn’t answer questions and moves on to a more friendly territory. The whole thing is a waste of time. "

No you just don't like the answer you get.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

Also are you suggesting the gmnt has no responsibility re social care?

It’s like PMQs. The guy doesn’t answer questions and moves on to a more friendly territory. The whole thing is a waste of time.

No you just don't like the answer you get."

Well there are a few questions left unanswered. The tricky ones, funnily enough. So let’s try again. Who should decide public sector employees’ pay rises and how much they go up by?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

Also are you suggesting the gmnt has no responsibility re social care?. The original post was for a raise for carers specifically. Minimum wage does not target them specifically and I have already mentioned that.

I cant see where you have answered the whiestin question re minimum wage.

The bare minimum the gmnt can do is increase to a reasonable amount.. no?

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

Another question left unanswered: Who let the care sector being privatised and so fragmented.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

Also are you suggesting the gmnt has no responsibility re social care?

It’s like PMQs. The guy doesn’t answer questions and moves on to a more friendly territory. The whole thing is a waste of time.

No you just don't like the answer you get.

Well there are a few questions left unanswered. The tricky ones, funnily enough. So let’s try again. Who should decide public sector employees’ pay rises and how much they go up by? "

This is not tricky. The government departments set pay grades based on recommendations from review panels where they are directly employed. Councils in turn conduct pay reviews for devolved services again based on panel recommendations. These set bands, there is then movement within the band based on performance.

My question in return, how does this in any way affect privately employed people?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Another question left unanswered: Who let the care sector being privatised and so fragmented. "

Successive governments and parties, you cannot lay the blame at any one, they have all been party to this and have had opportunity to reverse it.

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

Also are you suggesting the gmnt has no responsibility re social care?

It’s like PMQs. The guy doesn’t answer questions and moves on to a more friendly territory. The whole thing is a waste of time.

No you just don't like the answer you get.

Well there are a few questions left unanswered. The tricky ones, funnily enough. So let’s try again. Who should decide public sector employees’ pay rises and how much they go up by? "

Thats the job of independent pay review bodies.

Its then upto the Goverment of the day to implement their recommendations. Sometimes they can, sometimes they can't.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

Also are you suggesting the gmnt has no responsibility re social care?

It’s like PMQs. The guy doesn’t answer questions and moves on to a more friendly territory. The whole thing is a waste of time.

No you just don't like the answer you get.

Well there are a few questions left unanswered. The tricky ones, funnily enough. So let’s try again. Who should decide public sector employees’ pay rises and how much they go up by?

My question in return, how does this in any way affect privately employed people?"

This is quite a lot of red tape for a sector which is already overstretched. The problem with your solution is that it is difficult to measure performance in the public sector. Nothing is sold and most of the jobs are about things you can’t quantify. How do you reward a nurse for example?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

I cant see where you have answered the whiestin question re minimum wage.

The bare minimum the gmnt can do is increase to a reasonable amount.. no?"

What's a reasonable amount? Last time I checked this was reviewed on a number of occasions by review panels. Seeing as you seem to have some sort of insight, how much should the minimum wage be and how will you pay for it?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

Also are you suggesting the gmnt has no responsibility re social care?

It’s like PMQs. The guy doesn’t answer questions and moves on to a more friendly territory. The whole thing is a waste of time.

No you just don't like the answer you get.

Well there are a few questions left unanswered. The tricky ones, funnily enough. So let’s try again. Who should decide public sector employees’ pay rises and how much they go up by?

My question in return, how does this in any way affect privately employed people?"

Untrue.

The panels can only recommend pay awards which fit in with the parameters the gmnt set.

At present the most we can get is something between 1% and 1.5%

I think Local gmnt can be a bit more flexible but is obviously dependent on their budget.

Labour run councils have unsurprisingly seen their budgets slashed.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

Also are you suggesting the gmnt has no responsibility re social care?

It’s like PMQs. The guy doesn’t answer questions and moves on to a more friendly territory. The whole thing is a waste of time.

No you just don't like the answer you get.

Well there are a few questions left unanswered. The tricky ones, funnily enough. So let’s try again. Who should decide public sector employees’ pay rises and how much they go up by?

Thats the job of independent pay review bodies.

Its then upto the Goverment of the day to implement their recommendations. Sometimes they can, sometimes they can't. "

Funnily, this lot often can’t. For the past ten years they’ve not implemented these recommendations. Oops, yes they have once: the one that recommended a 10% pay rise for MPs.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Another question left unanswered: Who let the care sector being privatised and so fragmented.

Successive governments and parties, you cannot lay the blame at any one, they have all been party to this and have had opportunity to reverse it."

The Tories have been in power for 10 years.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

Also are you suggesting the gmnt has no responsibility re social care?

It’s like PMQs. The guy doesn’t answer questions and moves on to a more friendly territory. The whole thing is a waste of time.

No you just don't like the answer you get.

Well there are a few questions left unanswered. The tricky ones, funnily enough. So let’s try again. Who should decide public sector employees’ pay rises and how much they go up by?

My question in return, how does this in any way affect privately employed people?

It's not my solution, it's what actually happens. As for rewarding nurses, I refer you to the previous process mentioned above. The review panels include representatives from the relevant departments who are in a position to assess the less tangible aspect of the job.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

I cant see where you have answered the whiestin question re minimum wage.

The bare minimum the gmnt can do is increase to a reasonable amount.. no?

The uk living wage is 9.30

Start with that.

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

At this time nurses should get a pay rise simple I am sure it will happen cannot understand why it has not happened yet

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

Also are you suggesting the gmnt has no responsibility re social care?

It’s like PMQs. The guy doesn’t answer questions and moves on to a more friendly territory. The whole thing is a waste of time.

No you just don't like the answer you get.

Well there are a few questions left unanswered. The tricky ones, funnily enough. So let’s try again. Who should decide public sector employees’ pay rises and how much they go up by?

My question in return, how does this in any way affect privately employed people?

Untrue.

The panels can only recommend pay awards which fit in with the parameters the gmnt set.

At present the most we can get is something between 1% and 1.5%

I think Local gmnt can be a bit more flexible but is obviously dependent on their budget.

Labour run councils have unsurprisingly seen their budgets slashed."

So that would be the same as private sector then. I don't know of a single business that approaches pay review with a blank cheque book. They all have a range within which they are prepared to offer.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Another question left unanswered: Who let the care sector being privatised and so fragmented.

Successive governments and parties, you cannot lay the blame at any one, they have all been party to this and have had opportunity to reverse it.

The Tories have been in power for 10 years."
you aren't seriously suggesting this happened in only 10 years are you?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

Also are you suggesting the gmnt has no responsibility re social care?

It’s like PMQs. The guy doesn’t answer questions and moves on to a more friendly territory. The whole thing is a waste of time.

No you just don't like the answer you get.

Well there are a few questions left unanswered. The tricky ones, funnily enough. So let’s try again. Who should decide public sector employees’ pay rises and how much they go up by?

My question in return, how does this in any way affect privately employed people?

Untrue.

The panels can only recommend pay awards which fit in with the parameters the gmnt set.

At present the most we can get is something between 1% and 1.5%

I think Local gmnt can be a bit more flexible but is obviously dependent on their budget.

Labour run councils have unsurprisingly seen their budgets slashed.

So that would be the same as private sector then. I don't know of a single business that approaches pay review with a blank cheque book. They all have a range within which they are prepared to offer."

Where the fuck did a blank cheque book come from?

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

Also are you suggesting the gmnt has no responsibility re social care?

It’s like PMQs. The guy doesn’t answer questions and moves on to a more friendly territory. The whole thing is a waste of time.

No you just don't like the answer you get.

Well there are a few questions left unanswered. The tricky ones, funnily enough. So let’s try again. Who should decide public sector employees’ pay rises and how much they go up by?

My question in return, how does this in any way affect privately employed people?

And is it the same process when the country is Ied by a gvt that doesn’t want to award pay rises? Bring it on! It’s jackpot time for me!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

I cant see where you have answered the whiestin question re minimum wage.

The bare minimum the gmnt can do is increase to a reasonable amount.. no?

The uk living wage is 9.30

Start with that."

Your turn to dodge the "difficult" question, how are you going to pay for it?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Another question left unanswered: Who let the care sector being privatised and so fragmented.

Successive governments and parties, you cannot lay the blame at any one, they have all been party to this and have had opportunity to reverse it.

The Tories have been in power for 10 years. you aren't seriously suggesting this happened in only 10 years are you?"

Nope.

But if they tories didn't agree with the policy they have had a decade to change it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

Also are you suggesting the gmnt has no responsibility re social care?

It’s like PMQs. The guy doesn’t answer questions and moves on to a more friendly territory. The whole thing is a waste of time.

No you just don't like the answer you get.

Well there are a few questions left unanswered. The tricky ones, funnily enough. So let’s try again. Who should decide public sector employees’ pay rises and how much they go up by?

My question in return, how does this in any way affect privately employed people?

Untrue.

The panels can only recommend pay awards which fit in with the parameters the gmnt set.

At present the most we can get is something between 1% and 1.5%

I think Local gmnt can be a bit more flexible but is obviously dependent on their budget.

Labour run councils have unsurprisingly seen their budgets slashed.

So that would be the same as private sector then. I don't know of a single business that approaches pay review with a blank cheque book. They all have a range within which they are prepared to offer.

Where the fuck did a blank cheque book come from?"

You stated that pay rises could only be given within a range, this is the same everywhere.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Another question left unanswered: Who let the care sector being privatised and so fragmented.

Successive governments and parties, you cannot lay the blame at any one, they have all been party to this and have had opportunity to reverse it.

The Tories have been in power for 10 years. you aren't seriously suggesting this happened in only 10 years are you?

Nope.

But if they tories didn't agree with the policy they have had a decade to change it."

As did labour before them. They are all equally to blame.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

Also are you suggesting the gmnt has no responsibility re social care?

It’s like PMQs. The guy doesn’t answer questions and moves on to a more friendly territory. The whole thing is a waste of time.

No you just don't like the answer you get.

Well there are a few questions left unanswered. The tricky ones, funnily enough. So let’s try again. Who should decide public sector employees’ pay rises and how much they go up by?

My question in return, how does this in any way affect privately employed people?

Untrue.

The panels can only recommend pay awards which fit in with the parameters the gmnt set.

At present the most we can get is something between 1% and 1.5%

I think Local gmnt can be a bit more flexible but is obviously dependent on their budget.

Labour run councils have unsurprisingly seen their budgets slashed.

Why on Earth should public sector’s pay be decided in the same as in the private sector? There must be a reason why it’s not! And I have mentioned it previously.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

I cant see where you have answered the whiestin question re minimum wage.

The bare minimum the gmnt can do is increase to a reasonable amount.. no?

The uk living wage is 9.30

Start with that.

Your turn to dodge the "difficult" question, how are you going to pay for it?"

Increased tax for those earning over 80k

Have a review into the likes of trident /hs2 etc.

Increased scrutiny on companies/individual who exploit tax loopholes.Look to limit tax loopholes

Look into the viability of increased nationalisation of certain industries.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

Also are you suggesting the gmnt has no responsibility re social care?

It’s like PMQs. The guy doesn’t answer questions and moves on to a more friendly territory. The whole thing is a waste of time.

No you just don't like the answer you get.

Well there are a few questions left unanswered. The tricky ones, funnily enough. So let’s try again. Who should decide public sector employees’ pay rises and how much they go up by?

My question in return, how does this in any way affect privately employed people?

Untrue.

The panels can only recommend pay awards which fit in with the parameters the gmnt set.

At present the most we can get is something between 1% and 1.5%

I think Local gmnt can be a bit more flexible but is obviously dependent on their budget.

Labour run councils have unsurprisingly seen their budgets slashed.

So that would be the same as private sector then. I don't know of a single business that approaches pay review with a blank cheque book. They all have a range within which they are prepared to offer.

Where the fuck did a blank cheque book come from?

You stated that pay rises could only be given within a range, this is the same everywhere."

No.

I stated that's what happens.

I didn't say it was right.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

I’ll try again: And is it the same process when the country is Ied by a gvt that doesn’t want to award pay rises? Bring it on! It’s jackpot time for me!

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

Also are you suggesting the gmnt has no responsibility re social care?

It’s like PMQs. The guy doesn’t answer questions and moves on to a more friendly territory. The whole thing is a waste of time.

No you just don't like the answer you get.

Well there are a few questions left unanswered. The tricky ones, funnily enough. So let’s try again. Who should decide public sector employees’ pay rises and how much they go up by?

My question in return, how does this in any way affect privately employed people?

Untrue.

The panels can only recommend pay awards which fit in with the parameters the gmnt set.

At present the most we can get is something between 1% and 1.5%

I think Local gmnt can be a bit more flexible but is obviously dependent on their budget.

Labour run councils have unsurprisingly seen their budgets slashed.

So that would be the same as private sector then. I don't know of a single business that approaches pay review with a blank cheque book. They all have a range within which they are prepared to offer.

Why on Earth should public sector’s pay be decided in the same as in the private sector? There must be a reason why it’s not! And I have mentioned it previously.

People talk about the private sector as if it's one sector

The private sector is practically every job under the sun.

It's a ridiculous comparison.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

I cant see where you have answered the whiestin question re minimum wage.

The bare minimum the gmnt can do is increase to a reasonable amount.. no?

The uk living wage is 9.30

Start with that.

Your turn to dodge the "difficult" question, how are you going to pay for it?

Increased tax for those earning over 80k

Have a review into the likes of trident /hs2 etc.

Increased scrutiny on companies/individual who exploit tax loopholes.Look to limit tax loopholes

Look into the viability of increased nationalisation of certain industries. "

Good, then get that lot put in place, see how much money it raises, and if it's sufficient then the minimum wage can be raised. You can't do it the other way round though.

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

"At this time nurses should get a pay rise simple I am sure it will happen cannot understand why it has not happened yet"

The nurses are already locked into a 3 year pay deal.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

I cant see where you have answered the whiestin question re minimum wage.

The bare minimum the gmnt can do is increase to a reasonable amount.. no?

The uk living wage is 9.30

Start with that.

Your turn to dodge the "difficult" question, how are you going to pay for it?

Increased tax for those earning over 80k

Have a review into the likes of trident /hs2 etc.

Increased scrutiny on companies/individual who exploit tax loopholes.Look to limit tax loopholes

Look into the viability of increased nationalisation of certain industries.

Good, then get that lot put in place, see how much money it raises, and if it's sufficient then the minimum wage can be raised. You can't do it the other way round though. "

Of course you can

The gmnt just plucked billions from furlough from out of nowhere.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’ll try again: And is it the same process when the country is Ied by a gvt that doesn’t want to award pay rises? Bring it on! It’s jackpot time for me!

I don't actually know what you are asking there. What is the government not wanting to avoid pay rises for and is it something that is actually under their control?

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"I’ll try again: And is it the same process when the country is Ied by a gvt that doesn’t want to award pay rises? Bring it on! It’s jackpot time for me!

I don't actually know what you are asking there. What is the government not wanting to avoid pay rises for and is it something that is actually under their control?"

What happens when the gvt refuse to implement the review panels’ decisions?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

I cant see where you have answered the whiestin question re minimum wage.

The bare minimum the gmnt can do is increase to a reasonable amount.. no?

The uk living wage is 9.30

Start with that.

Your turn to dodge the "difficult" question, how are you going to pay for it?

Increased tax for those earning over 80k

Have a review into the likes of trident /hs2 etc.

Increased scrutiny on companies/individual who exploit tax loopholes.Look to limit tax loopholes

Look into the viability of increased nationalisation of certain industries.

Good, then get that lot put in place, see how much money it raises, and if it's sufficient then the minimum wage can be raised. You can't do it the other way round though.

Of course you can

The gmnt just plucked billions from furlough from out of nowhere. "

Ahh yes, the joys of quantative easing. Tell me, how much good is a pay rise going to do you when you get a 10% rise to your wage and inflation pushes your bills up by 12%.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’ll try again: And is it the same process when the country is Ied by a gvt that doesn’t want to award pay rises? Bring it on! It’s jackpot time for me!

I don't actually know what you are asking there. What is the government not wanting to avoid pay rises for and is it something that is actually under their control?

What happens when the gvt refuse to implement the review panels’ decisions?"

The same as when my boss doesn't follow the pay brackets sent to him by HR and the recruitment companies. You seem to be under the misunderstanding that a pay rise every single year is guaranteed.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"I’ll try again: And is it the same process when the country is Ied by a gvt that doesn’t want to award pay rises? Bring it on! It’s jackpot time for me!

I don't actually know what you are asking there. What is the government not wanting to avoid pay rises for and is it something that is actually under their control?"

The gmnt set the pay boundaries for public sector workers as said above.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

I cant see where you have answered the whiestin question re minimum wage.

The bare minimum the gmnt can do is increase to a reasonable amount.. no?

The uk living wage is 9.30

Start with that.

Your turn to dodge the "difficult" question, how are you going to pay for it?

Increased tax for those earning over 80k

Have a review into the likes of trident /hs2 etc.

Increased scrutiny on companies/individual who exploit tax loopholes.Look to limit tax loopholes

Look into the viability of increased nationalisation of certain industries.

Good, then get that lot put in place, see how much money it raises, and if it's sufficient then the minimum wage can be raised. You can't do it the other way round though.

Of course you can

The gmnt just plucked billions from furlough from out of nowhere.

Ahh yes, the joys of quantative easing. Tell me, how much good is a pay rise going to do you when you get a 10% rise to your wage and inflation pushes your bills up by 12%."

That's for the gmnt to manage.

Funny how other people seem to be on ridiculous wages and this hasn't plunged the country into a germany in the 30s type of situation?

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"I’ll try again: And is it the same process when the country is Ied by a gvt that doesn’t want to award pay rises? Bring it on! It’s jackpot time for me!

I don't actually know what you are asking there. What is the government not wanting to avoid pay rises for and is it something that is actually under their control?

What happens when the gvt refuse to implement the review panels’ decisions?

The same as when my boss doesn't follow the pay brackets sent to him by HR and the recruitment companies. You seem to be under the misunderstanding that a pay rise every single year is guaranteed."

Of course it’s not but it looks like you’re happy for public sector’s pay to be based on performance when it suits you and according to the country’s finances when it suits you. Which one is it?

At this point, I should also remind you that the public sector employees were not responsible for the bankers’ debacle 12 years ago but they had to have their pay frozen because some companies in the private behaved foolishly.

It’s always the same with the right wingers. They’re happy to benefit from the system when the money is flowing. When the going gets tough, they don’t like it. What happened to their mantra: you should fix the roof when the sun is shining?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

I cant see where you have answered the whiestin question re minimum wage.

The bare minimum the gmnt can do is increase to a reasonable amount.. no?

The uk living wage is 9.30

Start with that.

Your turn to dodge the "difficult" question, how are you going to pay for it?

Increased tax for those earning over 80k

Have a review into the likes of trident /hs2 etc.

Increased scrutiny on companies/individual who exploit tax loopholes.Look to limit tax loopholes

Look into the viability of increased nationalisation of certain industries.

Good, then get that lot put in place, see how much money it raises, and if it's sufficient then the minimum wage can be raised. You can't do it the other way round though.

Of course you can

The gmnt just plucked billions from furlough from out of nowhere.

Ahh yes, the joys of quantative easing. Tell me, how much good is a pay rise going to do you when you get a 10% rise to your wage and inflation pushes your bills up by 12%.

That's for the gmnt to manage.

Funny how other people seem to be on ridiculous wages and this hasn't plunged the country into a germany in the 30s type of situation?"

A lot of them weren't done by simply printing more money

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

I cant see where you have answered the whiestin question re minimum wage.

The bare minimum the gmnt can do is increase to a reasonable amount.. no?

The uk living wage is 9.30

Start with that.

Your turn to dodge the "difficult" question, how are you going to pay for it?

Increased tax for those earning over 80k

Have a review into the likes of trident /hs2 etc.

Increased scrutiny on companies/individual who exploit tax loopholes.Look to limit tax loopholes

Look into the viability of increased nationalisation of certain industries.

Good, then get that lot put in place, see how much money it raises, and if it's sufficient then the minimum wage can be raised. You can't do it the other way round though.

Of course you can

The gmnt just plucked billions from furlough from out of nowhere.

Ahh yes, the joys of quantative easing. Tell me, how much good is a pay rise going to do you when you get a 10% rise to your wage and inflation pushes your bills up by 12%.

That's for the gmnt to manage.

Funny how other people seem to be on ridiculous wages and this hasn't plunged the country into a germany in the 30s type of situation?

A lot of them weren't done by simply printing more money"

How Is furlough being paid back?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’ll try again: And is it the same process when the country is Ied by a gvt that doesn’t want to award pay rises? Bring it on! It’s jackpot time for me!

I don't actually know what you are asking there. What is the government not wanting to avoid pay rises for and is it something that is actually under their control?

What happens when the gvt refuse to implement the review panels’ decisions?

The same as when my boss doesn't follow the pay brackets sent to him by HR and the recruitment companies. You seem to be under the misunderstanding that a pay rise every single year is guaranteed.

I expect wages to be based on a combination of both. Exactly the same as wages are decided in the private sector. The bankers should have been left to rot and the roof should absolutely have been fixed when the sun was shining, last time I think we have been in a position to do that would have been under a labour government, but they didn't do that, they went on a massive spending spree instead.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

I cant see where you have answered the whiestin question re minimum wage.

The bare minimum the gmnt can do is increase to a reasonable amount.. no?

The uk living wage is 9.30

Start with that.

Your turn to dodge the "difficult" question, how are you going to pay for it?

Increased tax for those earning over 80k

Have a review into the likes of trident /hs2 etc.

Increased scrutiny on companies/individual who exploit tax loopholes.Look to limit tax loopholes

Look into the viability of increased nationalisation of certain industries.

Good, then get that lot put in place, see how much money it raises, and if it's sufficient then the minimum wage can be raised. You can't do it the other way round though.

Of course you can

The gmnt just plucked billions from furlough from out of nowhere.

Ahh yes, the joys of quantative easing. Tell me, how much good is a pay rise going to do you when you get a 10% rise to your wage and inflation pushes your bills up by 12%.

That's for the gmnt to manage.

Funny how other people seem to be on ridiculous wages and this hasn't plunged the country into a germany in the 30s type of situation?

A lot of them weren't done by simply printing more money

How Is furlough being paid back?"

It will ultimately be paid back by taxes that have not yet been imposed and will likely go on for a generation.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"I’ll try again: And is it the same process when the country is Ied by a gvt that doesn’t want to award pay rises? Bring it on! It’s jackpot time for me!

I don't actually know what you are asking there. What is the government not wanting to avoid pay rises for and is it something that is actually under their control?

What happens when the gvt refuse to implement the review panels’ decisions?

The same as when my boss doesn't follow the pay brackets sent to him by HR and the recruitment companies. You seem to be under the misunderstanding that a pay rise every single year is guaranteed.

Tories tend to look after no 1 fuck everyone else.Its Thatchers legacy and it lives on today.

Don't like your job..fuck off and find another one.Tebbit said that in the 80s when unemployment was hitting 3m.Being selfish is a human trait but it's the Tory lifeblood.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"I’ll try again: And is it the same process when the country is Ied by a gvt that doesn’t want to award pay rises? Bring it on! It’s jackpot time for me!

I don't actually know what you are asking there. What is the government not wanting to avoid pay rises for and is it something that is actually under their control?

What happens when the gvt refuse to implement the review panels’ decisions?

The same as when my boss doesn't follow the pay brackets sent to him by HR and the recruitment companies. You seem to be under the misunderstanding that a pay rise every single year is guaranteed.

Tories tend to look after no 1 fuck everyone else.Its Thatchers legacy and it lives on today.

Don't like your job..fuck off and find another one.Tebbit said that in the 80s when unemployment was hitting 3m.Being selfish is a human trait but it's the Tory lifeblood."

Exactly and you can hardly blame them when the ones getting stuffed endorse the system!

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

I cant see where you have answered the whiestin question re minimum wage.

The bare minimum the gmnt can do is increase to a reasonable amount.. no?

The uk living wage is 9.30

Start with that.

Your turn to dodge the "difficult" question, how are you going to pay for it?

Increased tax for those earning over 80k

Have a review into the likes of trident /hs2 etc.

Increased scrutiny on companies/individual who exploit tax loopholes.Look to limit tax loopholes

Look into the viability of increased nationalisation of certain industries.

Good, then get that lot put in place, see how much money it raises, and if it's sufficient then the minimum wage can be raised. You can't do it the other way round though.

Of course you can

The gmnt just plucked billions from furlough from out of nowhere.

Ahh yes, the joys of quantative easing. Tell me, how much good is a pay rise going to do you when you get a 10% rise to your wage and inflation pushes your bills up by 12%.

That's for the gmnt to manage.

Funny how other people seem to be on ridiculous wages and this hasn't plunged the country into a germany in the 30s type of situation?

A lot of them weren't done by simply printing more money

How Is furlough being paid back?

It will ultimately be paid back by taxes that have not yet been imposed and will likely go on for a generation."

So we can go it 1 situation and not another.

I have given of reasons how the money can be raised.. some..short term short long term.The money is there.We are one of the richest companies on the planet

The fact that you are still arguing that people who look after the most vulnerable in our society, should be at the very bottom tells its own story.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

I cant see where you have answered the whiestin question re minimum wage.

The bare minimum the gmnt can do is increase to a reasonable amount.. no?

The uk living wage is 9.30

Start with that.

Your turn to dodge the "difficult" question, how are you going to pay for it?

Increased tax for those earning over 80k

Have a review into the likes of trident /hs2 etc.

Increased scrutiny on companies/individual who exploit tax loopholes.Look to limit tax loopholes

Look into the viability of increased nationalisation of certain industries.

Good, then get that lot put in place, see how much money it raises, and if it's sufficient then the minimum wage can be raised. You can't do it the other way round though.

Of course you can

The gmnt just plucked billions from furlough from out of nowhere.

Ahh yes, the joys of quantative easing. Tell me, how much good is a pay rise going to do you when you get a 10% rise to your wage and inflation pushes your bills up by 12%.

That's for the gmnt to manage.

Funny how other people seem to be on ridiculous wages and this hasn't plunged the country into a germany in the 30s type of situation?

A lot of them weren't done by simply printing more money

How Is furlough being paid back?

It will ultimately be paid back by taxes that have not yet been imposed and will likely go on for a generation."

Always the same then. Taking profit and milking it when all is well and using tax payers’ money when the shit hits the fan. It makes perfect sense!

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"I’ll try again: And is it the same process when the country is Ied by a gvt that doesn’t want to award pay rises? Bring it on! It’s jackpot time for me!

I don't actually know what you are asking there. What is the government not wanting to avoid pay rises for and is it something that is actually under their control?

What happens when the gvt refuse to implement the review panels’ decisions?

The same as when my boss doesn't follow the pay brackets sent to him by HR and the recruitment companies. You seem to be under the misunderstanding that a pay rise every single year is guaranteed.

Probably to do with f

All those falling down hospitals and schools etc.

It's amazing how many times people swallow this bullshit

The Tories decimate public services.labour come in and rebuild them.Tories get back in and blame labour for bannkrupting the country and decimate them all over again.

Works a treat.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

I cant see where you have answered the whiestin question re minimum wage.

The bare minimum the gmnt can do is increase to a reasonable amount.. no?

The uk living wage is 9.30

Start with that.

Your turn to dodge the "difficult" question, how are you going to pay for it?

Increased tax for those earning over 80k

Have a review into the likes of trident /hs2 etc.

Increased scrutiny on companies/individual who exploit tax loopholes.Look to limit tax loopholes

Look into the viability of increased nationalisation of certain industries.

Good, then get that lot put in place, see how much money it raises, and if it's sufficient then the minimum wage can be raised. You can't do it the other way round though.

Of course you can

The gmnt just plucked billions from furlough from out of nowhere.

Ahh yes, the joys of quantative easing. Tell me, how much good is a pay rise going to do you when you get a 10% rise to your wage and inflation pushes your bills up by 12%.

That's for the gmnt to manage.

Funny how other people seem to be on ridiculous wages and this hasn't plunged the country into a germany in the 30s type of situation?

A lot of them weren't done by simply printing more money

How Is furlough being paid back?

It will ultimately be paid back by taxes that have not yet been imposed and will likely go on for a generation.

So we can go it 1 situation and not another.

I have given of reasons how the money can be raised.. some..short term short long term.The money is there.We are one of the richest companies on the planet

The fact that you are still arguing that people who look after the most vulnerable in our society, should be at the very bottom tells its own story."

And like I said, get the money first, then spend it. Fixing the roof requires fiscal responsibility. And stop trying to play the bleeding heart card. You are trying to elicit and emotional response to a problem that requires a far more complex solution than just "give them a pay rise" there will always be someone who earns the lowest amount, it doesn't matter what you make the minimum wage.

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

"I’ll try again: And is it the same process when the country is Ied by a gvt that doesn’t want to award pay rises? Bring it on! It’s jackpot time for me!

I don't actually know what you are asking there. What is the government not wanting to avoid pay rises for and is it something that is actually under their control?

What happens when the gvt refuse to implement the review panels’ decisions?

The same as when my boss doesn't follow the pay brackets sent to him by HR and the recruitment companies. You seem to be under the misunderstanding that a pay rise every single year is guaranteed.

Tories tend to look after no 1 fuck everyone else.Its Thatchers legacy and it lives on today.

Don't like your job..fuck off and find another one.Tebbit said that in the 80s when unemployment was hitting 3m.Being selfish is a human trait but it's the Tory lifeblood."

Except Norman Tebbit never said that.

You may like to revisit the Conservative party conference of 1981 to get the correct quote.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"I’ll try again: And is it the same process when the country is Ied by a gvt that doesn’t want to award pay rises? Bring it on! It’s jackpot time for me!

I don't actually know what you are asking there. What is the government not wanting to avoid pay rises for and is it something that is actually under their control?

What happens when the gvt refuse to implement the review panels’ decisions?

The same as when my boss doesn't follow the pay brackets sent to him by HR and the recruitment companies. You seem to be under the misunderstanding that a pay rise every single year is guaranteed.

Probably to do with f

All those falling down hospitals and schools etc.

It's amazing how many times people swallow this bullshit

The Tories decimate public services.labour come in and rebuild them.Tories get back in and blame labour for bannkrupting the country and decimate them all over again.

Works a treat."

Yep. You’ve summed it up. It’s been like this for decades. Our local school is falling apart. It was meant to be rebuilt completely and in 2010, the tories got in. Ten years later the school falling apart is now a shithole, with some classrooms not being heated etc... Welcome to one of the richest countries in the world.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

I’ll try again then: Always the same. Taking profit and milking it when all is well and using tax payers’ money when the shit hits the fan. It makes perfect sense!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’ll try again: And is it the same process when the country is Ied by a gvt that doesn’t want to award pay rises? Bring it on! It’s jackpot time for me!

I don't actually know what you are asking there. What is the government not wanting to avoid pay rises for and is it something that is actually under their control?

What happens when the gvt refuse to implement the review panels’ decisions?

The same as when my boss doesn't follow the pay brackets sent to him by HR and the recruitment companies. You seem to be under the misunderstanding that a pay rise every single year is guaranteed.

Probably to do with f

All those falling down hospitals and schools etc.

It's amazing how many times people swallow this bullshit

The Tories decimate public services.labour come in and rebuild them.Tories get back in and blame labour for bannkrupting the country and decimate them all over again.

Works a treat."

Or labour had the chance to fix it and keep the country in a stable financial state but didn't and spent on credit. The same arguments you level at the conservatives can apply to labour.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"I’ll try again: And is it the same process when the country is Ied by a gvt that doesn’t want to award pay rises? Bring it on! It’s jackpot time for me!

I don't actually know what you are asking there. What is the government not wanting to avoid pay rises for and is it something that is actually under their control?

What happens when the gvt refuse to implement the review panels’ decisions?

The same as when my boss doesn't follow the pay brackets sent to him by HR and the recruitment companies. You seem to be under the misunderstanding that a pay rise every single year is guaranteed.

Tories tend to look after no 1 fuck everyone else.Its Thatchers legacy and it lives on today.

Don't like your job..fuck off and find another one.Tebbit said that in the 80s when unemployment was hitting 3m.Being selfish is a human trait but it's the Tory lifeblood.

Except Norman Tebbit never said that.

You may like to revisit the Conservative party conference of 1981 to get the correct quote. "

I was born in the 1930s with an unemployed father.he didn't riot.he got on his bike and looked for work

N tebbit 15/10/81

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"I’ll try again: And is it the same process when the country is Ied by a gvt that doesn’t want to award pay rises? Bring it on! It’s jackpot time for me!

I don't actually know what you are asking there. What is the government not wanting to avoid pay rises for and is it something that is actually under their control?

What happens when the gvt refuse to implement the review panels’ decisions?

The same as when my boss doesn't follow the pay brackets sent to him by HR and the recruitment companies. You seem to be under the misunderstanding that a pay rise every single year is guaranteed.

Without their spending spree this country’s infrastructures like roads, schools of hospitals would look on a level par with some of the developing countries’. Have you ever looked at public buildings, transport, schools, roads on the continent and compared with ours or America’s? I know which ones I prefer and I also know which countries work better.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"86% of care homes are privately owned. Salaries set by the owner NOT Govt. They are paid minimum wage because that's what the staff accept. Staff free to seek more if they can get it.

Pay rise for others is plain wrong. Job security, no furlough, generous guaranteed pension early retirement at 55. Many many still on furlough and worried about having a job in 6 weeks.

You think pay rises are wrong?

Who is demanding one?

So every carer should be asked if they have looked after a patient with covid?

If they haven't.. no pay rise?

As far as I'm aware they don't have performance related pay in the care sector.

Though of course their performance is monitored.

So nothing at all do with treating patients with covid like you referred too?

Quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read.

You are only entitled to a pay rise if you have put your life in danger.

Don't you mean "quite possibly the most ridiculous post I've ever read badly"?. I clearly stated it was an example, and then just as clearly pointed out there are a great many who have done nothing more than every other industry has had to do. This was all in the context of the discussion about people saying a pay rise is justified due to what they have done during Covid, ergo linking it to some kind of perceived performance. well what thousands of carers have done dureing lockdown is lived at the care homes sleeping there for weeks so as not to bring Covid into the homes they have giving up seeing there own families to look after our old and needy going well above and beyond now if that’s not worth getting them of minimum wage fuck knows what is don’t forget we wet ourselves at the thought of a nurse at a food bank but don’t blink at thousands of these ppl useing them they are becoming the forgotten heroes

You like avoiding those difficult questions don't you?

For a start they could increase the minimum wage to some thing people can actually survive on?

I cant see where you have answered the whiestin question re minimum wage.

The bare minimum the gmnt can do is increase to a reasonable amount.. no?

The uk living wage is 9.30

Start with that.

Your turn to dodge the "difficult" question, how are you going to pay for it?

Increased tax for those earning over 80k

Have a review into the likes of trident /hs2 etc.

Increased scrutiny on companies/individual who exploit tax loopholes.Look to limit tax loopholes

Look into the viability of increased nationalisation of certain industries.

Good, then get that lot put in place, see how much money it raises, and if it's sufficient then the minimum wage can be raised. You can't do it the other way round though.

Of course you can

The gmnt just plucked billions from furlough from out of nowhere.

Ahh yes, the joys of quantative easing. Tell me, how much good is a pay rise going to do you when you get a 10% rise to your wage and inflation pushes your bills up by 12%.

That's for the gmnt to manage.

Funny how other people seem to be on ridiculous wages and this hasn't plunged the country into a germany in the 30s type of situation?

A lot of them weren't done by simply printing more money

How Is furlough being paid back?

It will ultimately be paid back by taxes that have not yet been imposed and will likely go on for a generation.

So we can go it 1 situation and not another.

I have given of reasons how the money can be raised.. some..short term short long term.The money is there.We are one of the richest companies on the planet

The fact that you are still arguing that people who look after the most vulnerable in our society, should be at the very bottom tells its own story.

Let's be honest here.

The Tories don't want a healthcare system..if they could get away with it they would privatise the entire lot.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

How do you rebuild rotten schools or hospitals without spending public money? By giving tax cuts to people who earn more than £100k? That’s what the tories believe in. It doesn’t seem to work for some reason as they always leave a war field behind them.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"I’ll try again: And is it the same process when the country is Ied by a gvt that doesn’t want to award pay rises? Bring it on! It’s jackpot time for me!

I don't actually know what you are asking there. What is the government not wanting to avoid pay rises for and is it something that is actually under their control?

What happens when the gvt refuse to implement the review panels’ decisions?

The same as when my boss doesn't follow the pay brackets sent to him by HR and the recruitment companies. You seem to be under the misunderstanding that a pay rise every single year is guaranteed.

Probably to do with f

All those falling down hospitals and schools etc.

It's amazing how many times people swallow this bullshit

The Tories decimate public services.labour come in and rebuild them.Tories get back in and blame labour for bannkrupting the country and decimate them all over again.

Works a treat.

Or labour had the chance to fix it and keep the country in a stable financial state but didn't and spent on credit. The same arguments you level at the conservatives can apply to labour."

How exactly do you restore a decimated system by spending no money?

Once again..the minor issues of a world financial crash and bailing out the banks are conveniently glossed over.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

I suspect some of our questions may not be answered.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’ll try again: And is it the same process when the country is Ied by a gvt that doesn’t want to award pay rises? Bring it on! It’s jackpot time for me!

I don't actually know what you are asking there. What is the government not wanting to avoid pay rises for and is it something that is actually under their control?

What happens when the gvt refuse to implement the review panels’ decisions?

The same as when my boss doesn't follow the pay brackets sent to him by HR and the recruitment companies. You seem to be under the misunderstanding that a pay rise every single year is guaranteed.

Probably to do with f

All those falling down hospitals and schools etc.

It's amazing how many times people swallow this bullshit

The Tories decimate public services.labour come in and rebuild them.Tories get back in and blame labour for bannkrupting the country and decimate them all over again.

Works a treat.

Or labour had the chance to fix it and keep the country in a stable financial state but didn't and spent on credit. The same arguments you level at the conservatives can apply to labour.

How exactly do you restore a decimated system by spending no money?

Once again..the minor issues of a world financial crash and bailing out the banks are conveniently glossed over."

You spend within your means and accept that things take longer. There was plenty of time before the financial crises where a sovereign wealth fund could have been started to help us weather these storms, but it wasn't. Now there are 2 options, borrow and spend and hope that you can string it out long enough that you don't have to deal with the consequences, or face some serious hardship and pain to balance the books much quicker. The public have already shown they have no stomach for the latter.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I suspect some of our questions may not be answered. "

You are entitled to ask anything you like, you aren't always entitled to an answer.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"I’ll try again: And is it the same process when the country is Ied by a gvt that doesn’t want to award pay rises? Bring it on! It’s jackpot time for me!

I don't actually know what you are asking there. What is the government not wanting to avoid pay rises for and is it something that is actually under their control?

What happens when the gvt refuse to implement the review panels’ decisions?

The same as when my boss doesn't follow the pay brackets sent to him by HR and the recruitment companies. You seem to be under the misunderstanding that a pay rise every single year is guaranteed.

Probably to do with f

All those falling down hospitals and schools etc.

It's amazing how many times people swallow this bullshit

The Tories decimate public services.labour come in and rebuild them.Tories get back in and blame labour for bannkrupting the country and decimate them all over again.

Works a treat.

Or labour had the chance to fix it and keep the country in a stable financial state but didn't and spent on credit. The same arguments you level at the conservatives can apply to labour.

How exactly do you restore a decimated system by spending no money?

Once again..the minor issues of a world financial crash and bailing out the banks are conveniently glossed over.

Or is it rather that the tories have already tried the latter and it didn’t work?

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"I suspect some of our questions may not be answered.

You are entitled to ask anything you like, you aren't always entitled to an answer."

That’s a very honest way of debating. It goes well with most of what you post. Do as I say, but don’t do as I do. Pick and choose. So much for intellectual honesty and good faith.

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

Goverments borrowing money for infrastructure projects is a tried and tested model. Especially like now, when interest rates are so low.

Expenditure can then be tied into affordable repayments. And it creates jobs.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’ll try again: And is it the same process when the country is Ied by a gvt that doesn’t want to award pay rises? Bring it on! It’s jackpot time for me!

I don't actually know what you are asking there. What is the government not wanting to avoid pay rises for and is it something that is actually under their control?

What happens when the gvt refuse to implement the review panels’ decisions?

The same as when my boss doesn't follow the pay brackets sent to him by HR and the recruitment companies. You seem to be under the misunderstanding that a pay rise every single year is guaranteed.

Probably to do with f

All those falling down hospitals and schools etc.

It's amazing how many times people swallow this bullshit

The Tories decimate public services.labour come in and rebuild them.Tories get back in and blame labour for bannkrupting the country and decimate them all over again.

Works a treat.

Or labour had the chance to fix it and keep the country in a stable financial state but didn't and spent on credit. The same arguments you level at the conservatives can apply to labour.

How exactly do you restore a decimated system by spending no money?

Once again..the minor issues of a world financial crash and bailing out the banks are conveniently glossed over.

Or is it rather that the tories have already tried the latter and it didn’t work? "

It didn't work because no one was prepared to put up with the pain it causes. You asked how to redress the situation, the fact you don't like the answer is exactly the problem. From a purely technical point of view, the cuts should have been much deeper and not constantly rolled back and we would have been in an ok ish position financially at the start of Covid. This however would have required a huge change in public attitudes about what was truly an essential service.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"I’ll try again: And is it the same process when the country is Ied by a gvt that doesn’t want to award pay rises? Bring it on! It’s jackpot time for me!

I don't actually know what you are asking there. What is the government not wanting to avoid pay rises for and is it something that is actually under their control?

What happens when the gvt refuse to implement the review panels’ decisions?

The same as when my boss doesn't follow the pay brackets sent to him by HR and the recruitment companies. You seem to be under the misunderstanding that a pay rise every single year is guaranteed.

Probably to do with f

All those falling down hospitals and schools etc.

It's amazing how many times people swallow this bullshit

The Tories decimate public services.labour come in and rebuild them.Tories get back in and blame labour for bannkrupting the country and decimate them all over again.

Works a treat.

Or labour had the chance to fix it and keep the country in a stable financial state but didn't and spent on credit. The same arguments you level at the conservatives can apply to labour.

How exactly do you restore a decimated system by spending no money?

Once again..the minor issues of a world financial crash and bailing out the banks are conveniently glossed over.

If we spent within our means we would have probably had no nhs

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