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A quote from a back bench Tory on brexit.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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According to a certain Tory MP, who was supported by others in his party, the government is taking a position of “less scrutiny than we did as a member of the EU”, because EU trade deals are subject to a vote in the European Parliament.
A he wanted to propose was that parliament, much like the US Congress actually ratifies trade deals.
Congrats, in the persuit for greater accountability and control, we now have a man who cannot handle a medical crisis well, even in a well developed post industrial country.
I'm sorry, does anyone actually have confidence that things will improve under brexit at this rate, because currently I see the PM and our representatives becoming less and less accountable.
We likely won't even have the European courts to use to hold our own government to account. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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For anyone who was, or is pro-brexit, can I ask if you're happy that Parliamentary democracy has been overruled.
I mean you can't go to your local MP and raise an issue with any trade deal, eg, if it's likely going to out you out of business, the PM is now the autocrat over it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"For anyone who was, or is pro-brexit, can I ask if you're happy that Parliamentary democracy has been overruled.
I mean you can't go to your local MP and raise an issue with any trade deal, eg, if it's likely going to out you out of business, the PM is now the autocrat over it."
Take back control....oh! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In all seriousness imagine how much damage they can do in 5 years.Compared to what Corbyn would have done very very very minimal.
The problem is the virus not brexit"
Can we live in reality, not what might have been. |
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"In all seriousness imagine how much damage they can do in 5 years.Compared to what Corbyn would have done very very very minimal.
The problem is the virus not brexit"
Yeah raising the minimum wage and not selling off the NHS would have done untold damage |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Did we ever have a vote in parliament on any other trade deal"
Once we were part of the EEA parliament set the agenda for what MEP's should vote for and against. Obviously there's then MEP party politics, but basically if you had a majority of the MPs and MEPs, you had a pretty clear path to debate in parliament and bring specific issues to the EU table.
Prior to the EEA, all trade deals were conventionally debated in parliament as part of the parliamentary process.
So really let's sum this up.
Brexiteers: "Brexit grants us sovereignty, and makes parliament more accountable band responsive to us, the people."
Brexit focused government: *removes the power of accountability*
Brexiteers: "Yeah but it was never like we debated these things anyway."
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Aren't they looking to get rid of juries aswell?"
The Tories are basically looking at reducing the power of independent judiciary.
So, less power for regular people to take the government to court. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In all seriousness imagine how much damage they can do in 5 years.Compared to what Corbyn would have done very very very minimal.
The problem is the virus not brexit"
Very true  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So that's a no then, our parliament has never voted on previous trade deals.
This was just remainers trying to derail brexit"
Your little Brexit dream is crumbling day by day....I feel sorry for you |
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"Aren't they looking to get rid of juries aswell?
The Tories are basically looking at reducing the power of independent judiciary.
So, less power for regular people to take the government to court."
Said it before and I'll say it again,you have to give them credit.
They are systematically dismantling peoples rights,jobs,security and are in the process of flogging off the nhs,and these very same people are cheering them on.
When the penny..finally..drops..its going to be quite amusing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In all seriousness imagine how much damage they can do in 5 years.Compared to what Corbyn would have done very very very minimal.
The problem is the virus not brexit
Very true "
Will Brexit help the UK recover from the pandemic |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Aren't they looking to get rid of juries aswell?
The Tories are basically looking at reducing the power of independent judiciary.
So, less power for regular people to take the government to court.
Said it before and I'll say it again,you have to give them credit.
They are systematically dismantling peoples rights,jobs,security and are in the process of flogging off the nhs,and these very same people are cheering them on.
When the penny..finally..drops..its going to be quite amusing."
It will never drop, they have started using the pandemic as their excuse for the ensuing shit storm ,  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There are two tenses in English – past and present. The past tense in English is used: to talk about the past ...
'Brexit' - that's the one you use to talk about the past.
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Is Brexit really the past ? |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke |
"There are two tenses in English – past and present. The past tense in English is used: to talk about the past ...
'Brexit' - that's the one you use to talk about the past.
Is Brexit really the past ? "
Brexit 2020
23:00 on Friday 31 January
Yup. That's in the past.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There are two tenses in English – past and present. The past tense in English is used: to talk about the past ...
'Brexit' - that's the one you use to talk about the past.
Is Brexit really the past ?
Brexit 2020
23:00 on Friday 31 January
Yup. That's in the past.
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EU referendum 5th June 1975,
Why wasn’t that left in the past  |
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By *exy7Man
over a year ago
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"In all seriousness imagine how much damage they can do in 5 years.Compared to what Corbyn would have done very very very minimal.
The problem is the virus not brexit"
We’re going to hear that for years and years. The virus will be the perfect excuse for all the shit that will happen. No balls tories. Can’t even face the music. There’s always someone or something to blame for their shitshow. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In all seriousness imagine how much damage they can do in 5 years.Compared to what Corbyn would have done very very very minimal.
The problem is the virus not brexit
Very true
Will Brexit help the UK recover from the pandemic "
Well we could have gotten part of an EU relief fund, but we left the EU. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In all seriousness imagine how much damage they can do in 5 years.Compared to what Corbyn would have done very very very minimal.
The problem is the virus not brexit
Very true
Will Brexit help the UK recover from the pandemic
Well we could have gotten part of an EU relief fund, but we left the EU. "
So it’s not looking good |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"In all seriousness imagine how much damage they can do in 5 years.Compared to what Corbyn would have done very very very minimal.
The problem is the virus not brexit
Very true
Will Brexit help the UK recover from the pandemic
Well we could have gotten part of an EU relief fund, but we left the EU. "
But as a net contributor we would have paid in far more than we got back |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In all seriousness imagine how much damage they can do in 5 years.Compared to what Corbyn would have done very very very minimal.
The problem is the virus not brexit
Very true
Will Brexit help the UK recover from the pandemic
Well we could have gotten part of an EU relief fund, but we left the EU.
But as a net contributor we would have paid in far more than we got back "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In all seriousness imagine how much damage they can do in 5 years.Compared to what Corbyn would have done very very very minimal.
The problem is the virus not brexit
Very true
Will Brexit help the UK recover from the pandemic
Well we could have gotten part of an EU relief fund, but we left the EU.
But as a net contributor we would have paid in far more than we got back "
Will Brexit help us to recover from the pandemic? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"In all seriousness imagine how much damage they can do in 5 years.Compared to what Corbyn would have done very very very minimal.
The problem is the virus not brexit
Very true
Will Brexit help the UK recover from the pandemic
Well we could have gotten part of an EU relief fund, but we left the EU.
But as a net contributor we would have paid in far more than we got back
Will Brexit help us to recover from the pandemic? "
Yes, removing our just in time supply chains will help wonderfully.
Oh don't forget about tariffs on medicines - but hey, not like we are looking to use the US to bolster supply...they'd rip us of. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"In all seriousness imagine how much damage they can do in 5 years.Compared to what Corbyn would have done very very very minimal.
The problem is the virus not brexit
Very true
Will Brexit help the UK recover from the pandemic
Well we could have gotten part of an EU relief fund, but we left the EU.
But as a net contributor we would have paid in far more than we got back
Will Brexit help us to recover from the pandemic?
Yes, removing our just in time supply chains will help wonderfully.
Oh don't forget about tariffs on medicines - but hey, not like we are looking to use the US to bolster supply...they'd rip us of."
What tariffs on medicines ? |
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By *ackal1Couple
over a year ago
Manchester |
"In all seriousness imagine how much damage they can do in 5 years.Compared to what Corbyn would have done very very very minimal.
The problem is the virus not brexit
Very true
Will Brexit help the UK recover from the pandemic
Well we could have gotten part of an EU relief fund, but we left the EU.
But as a net contributor we would have paid in far more than we got back
Will Brexit help us to recover from the pandemic?
Yes, removing our just in time supply chains will help wonderfully.
Oh don't forget about tariffs on medicines - but hey, not like we are looking to use the US to bolster supply...they'd rip us of.
What tariffs on medicines ?"
Not sure we will pay tariffs as that’s being discussed
But
Most drugs are made in India and China but our consumption in the U.K. is patented in Europe.
The drug companies are controlled by the EU in how long they can control a patent and therefore charge what they like. I’m not sure but I think it’s 10 years. America gives ( again I think) 25years so the prices stay high as no one else is allowed to sell a similar / copy drug.
Without EU rules on patent in the U.K. being limited, we are going to pay the American way. That’s high prices for a long time and that includes our NHS as they won’t have the EU protection either.
Drug companies are very good cash cows for politicians. They payroll a lot of politicians in the US. Guess who’s coming to a politician near you!
Still we’re taking back control!!
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"In all seriousness imagine how much damage they can do in 5 years.Compared to what Corbyn would have done very very very minimal.
The problem is the virus not brexit
Very true
Will Brexit help the UK recover from the pandemic
Well we could have gotten part of an EU relief fund, but we left the EU.
But as a net contributor we would have paid in far more than we got back
Will Brexit help us to recover from the pandemic?
Yes, removing our just in time supply chains will help wonderfully.
Oh don't forget about tariffs on medicines - but hey, not like we are looking to use the US to bolster supply...they'd rip us of.
What tariffs on medicines ?
Not sure we will pay tariffs as that’s being discussed
But
Most drugs are made in India and China but our consumption in the U.K. is patented in Europe.
The drug companies are controlled by the EU in how long they can control a patent and therefore charge what they like. I’m not sure but I think it’s 10 years. America gives ( again I think) 25years so the prices stay high as no one else is allowed to sell a similar / copy drug.
Without EU rules on patent in the U.K. being limited, we are going to pay the American way. That’s high prices for a long time and that includes our NHS as they won’t have the EU protection either.
Drug companies are very good cash cows for politicians. They payroll a lot of politicians in the US. Guess who’s coming to a politician near you!
Still we’re taking back control!!
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I'm staggered that vote the other day got so little press coverage |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In all seriousness imagine how much damage they can do in 5 years.Compared to what Corbyn would have done very very very minimal.
The problem is the virus not brexit
Very true
Will Brexit help the UK recover from the pandemic
Well we could have gotten part of an EU relief fund, but we left the EU.
But as a net contributor we would have paid in far more than we got back "
Really? It’s already cost the country more than we’ve ever paid into EU, billions of £s wasted on appeasing right wing ignorant idiots. Voting for something they still, after 4 years, don’t understand  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In all seriousness imagine how much damage they can do in 5 years.Compared to what Corbyn would have done very very very minimal.
The problem is the virus not brexit
Very true
Will Brexit help the UK recover from the pandemic
Well we could have gotten part of an EU relief fund, but we left the EU.
But as a net contributor we would have paid in far more than we got back "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"In all seriousness imagine how much damage they can do in 5 years.Compared to what Corbyn would have done very very very minimal.
The problem is the virus not brexit
Very true
Will Brexit help the UK recover from the pandemic
Well we could have gotten part of an EU relief fund, but we left the EU.
But as a net contributor we would have paid in far more than we got back
Will Brexit help us to recover from the pandemic?
Yes, removing our just in time supply chains will help wonderfully.
Oh don't forget about tariffs on medicines - but hey, not like we are looking to use the US to bolster supply...they'd rip us of.
What tariffs on medicines ?
Not sure we will pay tariffs as that’s being discussed
But
Most drugs are made in India and China but our consumption in the U.K. is patented in Europe.
The drug companies are controlled by the EU in how long they can control a patent and therefore charge what they like. I’m not sure but I think it’s 10 years. America gives ( again I think) 25years so the prices stay high as no one else is allowed to sell a similar / copy drug.
Without EU rules on patent in the U.K. being limited, we are going to pay the American way. That’s high prices for a long time and that includes our NHS as they won’t have the EU protection either.
Drug companies are very good cash cows for politicians. They payroll a lot of politicians in the US. Guess who’s coming to a politician near you!
Still we’re taking back control!!
"
This elaborates on points I could not be arsed typing up as I'm tired of trying to inform people who don't want to listen.
This said, we will pay tariffs on medicines - we the tax payer for NHS supplies, or your private health care supplier.
This is in the case of a non FTA with the EU, and on the American side, a pro-american FTA, eg, one where the American's are able to basically keep the ball in their court.
The likelihood is the NHS is going to have to pay an increased amount for pretty crucial drugs through some process.
So, wait for the national debt to go up, or for a tax rise to cover it. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"In all seriousness imagine how much damage they can do in 5 years.Compared to what Corbyn would have done very very very minimal.
The problem is the virus not brexit
Very true
Will Brexit help the UK recover from the pandemic
Well we could have gotten part of an EU relief fund, but we left the EU.
But as a net contributor we would have paid in far more than we got back "
Tell me again, how much brexit has cost the tax payer in terms of spent or borrowed money that has to be paid back by my generation or younger? |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"In all seriousness imagine how much damage they can do in 5 years.Compared to what Corbyn would have done very very very minimal.
The problem is the virus not brexit
Very true
Will Brexit help the UK recover from the pandemic
Well we could have gotten part of an EU relief fund, but we left the EU.
But as a net contributor we would have paid in far more than we got back
Will Brexit help us to recover from the pandemic?
Yes, removing our just in time supply chains will help wonderfully.
Oh don't forget about tariffs on medicines - but hey, not like we are looking to use the US to bolster supply...they'd rip us of.
What tariffs on medicines ?
Not sure we will pay tariffs as that’s being discussed
But
Most drugs are made in India and China but our consumption in the U.K. is patented in Europe.
The drug companies are controlled by the EU in how long they can control a patent and therefore charge what they like. I’m not sure but I think it’s 10 years. America gives ( again I think) 25years so the prices stay high as no one else is allowed to sell a similar / copy drug.
Without EU rules on patent in the U.K. being limited, we are going to pay the American way. That’s high prices for a long time and that includes our NHS as they won’t have the EU protection either.
Drug companies are very good cash cows for politicians. They payroll a lot of politicians in the US. Guess who’s coming to a politician near you!
Still we’re taking back control!!
This elaborates on points I could not be arsed typing up as I'm tired of trying to inform people who don't want to listen.
This said, we will pay tariffs on medicines - we the tax payer for NHS supplies, or your private health care supplier.
This is in the case of a non FTA with the EU, and on the American side, a pro-american FTA, eg, one where the American's are able to basically keep the ball in their court.
The likelihood is the NHS is going to have to pay an increased amount for pretty crucial drugs through some process.
So, wait for the national debt to go up, or for a tax rise to cover it."
What tariffs ? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"In all seriousness imagine how much damage they can do in 5 years.Compared to what Corbyn would have done very very very minimal.
The problem is the virus not brexit
Very true
Will Brexit help the UK recover from the pandemic
Well we could have gotten part of an EU relief fund, but we left the EU.
But as a net contributor we would have paid in far more than we got back
Will Brexit help us to recover from the pandemic?
Yes, removing our just in time supply chains will help wonderfully.
Oh don't forget about tariffs on medicines - but hey, not like we are looking to use the US to bolster supply...they'd rip us of.
What tariffs on medicines ?
Not sure we will pay tariffs as that’s being discussed
But
Most drugs are made in India and China but our consumption in the U.K. is patented in Europe.
The drug companies are controlled by the EU in how long they can control a patent and therefore charge what they like. I’m not sure but I think it’s 10 years. America gives ( again I think) 25years so the prices stay high as no one else is allowed to sell a similar / copy drug.
Without EU rules on patent in the U.K. being limited, we are going to pay the American way. That’s high prices for a long time and that includes our NHS as they won’t have the EU protection either.
Drug companies are very good cash cows for politicians. They payroll a lot of politicians in the US. Guess who’s coming to a politician near you!
Still we’re taking back control!!
This elaborates on points I could not be arsed typing up as I'm tired of trying to inform people who don't want to listen.
This said, we will pay tariffs on medicines - we the tax payer for NHS supplies, or your private health care supplier.
This is in the case of a non FTA with the EU, and on the American side, a pro-american FTA, eg, one where the American's are able to basically keep the ball in their court.
The likelihood is the NHS is going to have to pay an increased amount for pretty crucial drugs through some process.
So, wait for the national debt to go up, or for a tax rise to cover it.
What tariffs ?"
Only 30% of finished pharmaceutical and medical devise products are covered by the Pharmaceutical Tariff Elimination Agreement which is what we will default onto if we dont have a 'deal' with the EU.
We wanted to co-operate with the WTO and EU to extend and expand this as it's in both parties interests. Sadly the US vetoed this as it weakens their hand in getting a deal from us.
As such up to 70% of finished pharmaceutical products, medical devices and components will be subject to WTO export and import tariff duties of between 4.5-6.5% depending on the nature of the package.
No, on this we cannot remove the import tariff duty, this is upheld in the WTO court.
As such we will pay more for what we import and either UK based exporters will have take on the cost or the consumer in a foreign market will have to pay more. |
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