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"I'll celebrate the embarrassment. But I suspect he may still cause the Russian Report to be sat on..." Well it looks like its going to be published next week now! | |||
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"The Russia Report will be published next week. However, it wasnt a rigged election. The Conservatives, being the incumbents, hold the majority of members. Julian Lewis persuaded the other members, Labour and SNP, to vote for him, thus thwarting the election of Chris Grayling. " Why has he been kicked out? | |||
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"The Russia Report will be published next week. However, it wasnt a rigged election. The Conservatives, being the incumbents, hold the majority of members. Julian Lewis persuaded the other members, Labour and SNP, to vote for him, thus thwarting the election of Chris Grayling. Why has he been kicked out?" colluding with the opposition mps of labour and the snp to gain the votes needed for selection to the committee, I think is what they are saying. | |||
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"The Russia Report will be published next week. However, it wasnt a rigged election. The Conservatives, being the incumbents, hold the majority of members. Julian Lewis persuaded the other members, Labour and SNP, to vote for him, thus thwarting the election of Chris Grayling. Why has he been kicked out?colluding with the opposition mps of labour and the snp to gain the votes needed for selection to the committee, I think is what they are saying." Nothing to do with the fact that boris wanted his own man in place? What a democratic paradise we live in. | |||
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"Didnt grayling waste 200 million £ ? On a made up shipping company that had no boats or ships ? Why is he still in a job...... So Cummings who is in charge and buffoon Boris want to put a non one in charge of a security committee, it is supposed to be non political. ? " Grayling has made a career out of fuck ups. The fact that they want him on the chair of the intelligence committee goes to show the contempt they have for us. | |||
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"The Russia Report will be published next week. However, it wasnt a rigged election. The Conservatives, being the incumbents, hold the majority of members. Julian Lewis persuaded the other members, Labour and SNP, to vote for him, thus thwarting the election of Chris Grayling. Why has he been kicked out?colluding with the opposition mps of labour and the snp to gain the votes needed for selection to the committee, I think is what they are saying. Nothing to do with the fact that boris wanted his own man in place? What a democratic paradise we live in." yep, they wanted grayling and Lewis got the other parties to vote for him to thwart grayling and the government. Same democratic paradise as its always been, bet this ain't the first time a certain person was shoe horned into a position and it won't be the last, happens every day in normal life as well not just politics. | |||
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"I'll celebrate the embarrassment. But I suspect he may still cause the Russian Report to be sat on... Well it looks like its going to be published next week now!" according to Dominic grieve who wrote the report there is nothing in it explosive and no reason that the government has sat on it, other than to try an get one back on him as he was a vocal remainer at the time and a thorn in the governments side. | |||
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"The Russia Report will be published next week. However, it wasnt a rigged election. The Conservatives, being the incumbents, hold the majority of members. Julian Lewis persuaded the other members, Labour and SNP, to vote for him, thus thwarting the election of Chris Grayling. Why has he been kicked out?colluding with the opposition mps of labour and the snp to gain the votes needed for selection to the committee, I think is what they are saying. Nothing to do with the fact that boris wanted his own man in place? What a democratic paradise we live in. yep, they wanted grayling and Lewis got the other parties to vote for him to thwart grayling and the government. Same democratic paradise as its always been, bet this ain't the first time a certain person was shoe horned into a position and it won't be the last, happens every day in normal life as well not just politics. " Politics is a dirty business but this lot are taking corruption and chicanery to a a whole new level. Still said it before..the public gets etc. | |||
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"Didnt grayling waste 200 million £ ? On a made up shipping company that had no boats or ships ? Why is he still in a job...... So Cummings who is in charge and buffoon Boris want to put a non one in charge of a security committee, it is supposed to be non political. ? Grayling has made a career out of fuck ups. The fact that they want him on the chair of the intelligence committee goes to show the contempt they have for us." lol don't think he would have really had any power do you? They wanted someone who would do as told and ask no questions, so he fit perfectly lol | |||
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"I'll celebrate the embarrassment. But I suspect he may still cause the Russian Report to be sat on... Well it looks like its going to be published next week now! according to Dominic grieve who wrote the report there is nothing in it explosive and no reason that the government has sat on it, other than to try an get one back on him as he was a vocal remainer at the time and a thorn in the governments side." Makes sense. | |||
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"Didnt grayling waste 200 million £ ? On a made up shipping company that had no boats or ships ? Why is he still in a job...... So Cummings who is in charge and buffoon Boris want to put a non one in charge of a security committee, it is supposed to be non political. ? Grayling has made a career out of fuck ups. The fact that they want him on the chair of the intelligence committee goes to show the contempt they have for us. lol don't think he would have really had any power do you? They wanted someone who would do as told and ask no questions, so he fit perfectly lol" Course not. That's why they wanted him in. | |||
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"Probs it shows how much filthy rich russian oligarchs - have paid the Tories for favors " Those black pens have been busy. | |||
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"The Russia Report will be published next week. However, it wasnt a rigged election. The Conservatives, being the incumbents, hold the majority of members. Julian Lewis persuaded the other members, Labour and SNP, to vote for him, thus thwarting the election of Chris Grayling. Why has he been kicked out?colluding with the opposition mps of labour and the snp to gain the votes needed for selection to the committee, I think is what they are saying. Nothing to do with the fact that boris wanted his own man in place? What a democratic paradise we live in. yep, they wanted grayling and Lewis got the other parties to vote for him to thwart grayling and the government. Same democratic paradise as its always been, bet this ain't the first time a certain person was shoe horned into a position and it won't be the last, happens every day in normal life as well not just politics. Politics is a dirty business but this lot are taking corruption and chicanery to a a whole new level. Still said it before..the public gets etc." I don't really think this is any more corrupt than lots of things that have happened previously by all parties in the past, this sort of skull dugery has gone on for centuries in politics all around the world, this is just one more case of it. | |||
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"The Russia Report will be published next week. However, it wasnt a rigged election. The Conservatives, being the incumbents, hold the majority of members. Julian Lewis persuaded the other members, Labour and SNP, to vote for him, thus thwarting the election of Chris Grayling. Why has he been kicked out?colluding with the opposition mps of labour and the snp to gain the votes needed for selection to the committee, I think is what they are saying. Nothing to do with the fact that boris wanted his own man in place? What a democratic paradise we live in. yep, they wanted grayling and Lewis got the other parties to vote for him to thwart grayling and the government. Same democratic paradise as its always been, bet this ain't the first time a certain person was shoe horned into a position and it won't be the last, happens every day in normal life as well not just politics. Politics is a dirty business but this lot are taking corruption and chicanery to a a whole new level. Still said it before..the public gets etc. I don't really think this is any more corrupt than lots of things that have happened previously by all parties in the past, this sort of skull dugery has gone on for centuries in politics all around the world, this is just one more case of it. " Leave campaign,banning journalists,lying about ppe,lying about figures,nursing hones,getting rid of juries,cummings,ppe contracts,,Russian report...and they have only just started | |||
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"The Russia Report will be published next week. However, it wasnt a rigged election. The Conservatives, being the incumbents, hold the majority of members. Julian Lewis persuaded the other members, Labour and SNP, to vote for him, thus thwarting the election of Chris Grayling. Why has he been kicked out?colluding with the opposition mps of labour and the snp to gain the votes needed for selection to the committee, I think is what they are saying. Nothing to do with the fact that boris wanted his own man in place? What a democratic paradise we live in. yep, they wanted grayling and Lewis got the other parties to vote for him to thwart grayling and the government. Same democratic paradise as its always been, bet this ain't the first time a certain person was shoe horned into a position and it won't be the last, happens every day in normal life as well not just politics. Politics is a dirty business but this lot are taking corruption and chicanery to a a whole new level. Still said it before..the public gets etc. I don't really think this is any more corrupt than lots of things that have happened previously by all parties in the past, this sort of skull dugery has gone on for centuries in politics all around the world, this is just one more case of it. Leave campaign,banning journalists,lying about ppe,lying about figures,nursing hones,getting rid of juries,cummings,ppe contracts,,Russian report...and they have only just started " can't say I agree with all your list but my point is you could compile a list for just about every party that has ever been in power here and abroad, its nothing new for those in power to use it to there own advantage, since the dawn of time it has happened. | |||
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"How much has Grayling wasted of our cash or was only one fuck up ?? Something to do with trains aswell ?? the 200 million on the invisible boat company?" Heathrow,probation service.train timetables,virgin east coast legal aid cut etc etc etc | |||
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"The Russia Report will be published next week. However, it wasnt a rigged election. The Conservatives, being the incumbents, hold the majority of members. Julian Lewis persuaded the other members, Labour and SNP, to vote for him, thus thwarting the election of Chris Grayling. Why has he been kicked out?colluding with the opposition mps of labour and the snp to gain the votes needed for selection to the committee, I think is what they are saying. Nothing to do with the fact that boris wanted his own man in place? What a democratic paradise we live in. yep, they wanted grayling and Lewis got the other parties to vote for him to thwart grayling and the government. Same democratic paradise as its always been, bet this ain't the first time a certain person was shoe horned into a position and it won't be the last, happens every day in normal life as well not just politics. Politics is a dirty business but this lot are taking corruption and chicanery to a a whole new level. Still said it before..the public gets etc. I don't really think this is any more corrupt than lots of things that have happened previously by all parties in the past, this sort of skull dugery has gone on for centuries in politics all around the world, this is just one more case of it. Leave campaign,banning journalists,lying about ppe,lying about figures,nursing hones,getting rid of juries,cummings,ppe contracts,,Russian report...and they have only just started can't say I agree with all your list but my point is you could compile a list for just about every party that has ever been in power here and abroad, its nothing new for those in power to use it to there own advantage, since the dawn of time it has happened. " There are extents of abuse. | |||
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"The Russia Report will be published next week. However, it wasnt a rigged election. The Conservatives, being the incumbents, hold the majority of members. Julian Lewis persuaded the other members, Labour and SNP, to vote for him, thus thwarting the election of Chris Grayling. Why has he been kicked out?colluding with the opposition mps of labour and the snp to gain the votes needed for selection to the committee, I think is what they are saying. Nothing to do with the fact that boris wanted his own man in place? What a democratic paradise we live in. yep, they wanted grayling and Lewis got the other parties to vote for him to thwart grayling and the government. Same democratic paradise as its always been, bet this ain't the first time a certain person was shoe horned into a position and it won't be the last, happens every day in normal life as well not just politics. Politics is a dirty business but this lot are taking corruption and chicanery to a a whole new level. Still said it before..the public gets etc. I don't really think this is any more corrupt than lots of things that have happened previously by all parties in the past, this sort of skull dugery has gone on for centuries in politics all around the world, this is just one more case of it. Leave campaign,banning journalists,lying about ppe,lying about figures,nursing hones,getting rid of juries,cummings,ppe contracts,,Russian report...and they have only just started can't say I agree with all your list but my point is you could compile a list for just about every party that has ever been in power here and abroad, its nothing new for those in power to use it to there own advantage, since the dawn of time it has happened. There are extents of abuse." I agree, so are you saying this is the worst case of corruption that there has ever been anywhere in the world by a government in power? Because in my mind yes its shit and its corrupt and has made them look stupid but you can't compare it to Robert mugabe and Zimbabwe let's say for instance, that was corruption on a massive level and total disdain for the people whom he ruled over. I will add that i not defending them by the way but I don't think its right to make out its only the tory party who are corrupt and everyone else is squeeky clean. | |||
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"Yes the train companies - networks he was in charge of, yes totally collpased on the north/east coast lines.. Had to be taken back into gov controll" Imagine looking at his calamitous record.. then going into the ballot box and thinking.. yes he would make a good mp..and putting an x by his name. | |||
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"The Russia Report will be published next week. However, it wasnt a rigged election. The Conservatives, being the incumbents, hold the majority of members. Julian Lewis persuaded the other members, Labour and SNP, to vote for him, thus thwarting the election of Chris Grayling. Why has he been kicked out?colluding with the opposition mps of labour and the snp to gain the votes needed for selection to the committee, I think is what they are saying. Nothing to do with the fact that boris wanted his own man in place? What a democratic paradise we live in. yep, they wanted grayling and Lewis got the other parties to vote for him to thwart grayling and the government. Same democratic paradise as its always been, bet this ain't the first time a certain person was shoe horned into a position and it won't be the last, happens every day in normal life as well not just politics. Politics is a dirty business but this lot are taking corruption and chicanery to a a whole new level. Still said it before..the public gets etc. I don't really think this is any more corrupt than lots of things that have happened previously by all parties in the past, this sort of skull dugery has gone on for centuries in politics all around the world, this is just one more case of it. Leave campaign,banning journalists,lying about ppe,lying about figures,nursing hones,getting rid of juries,cummings,ppe contracts,,Russian report...and they have only just started can't say I agree with all your list but my point is you could compile a list for just about every party that has ever been in power here and abroad, its nothing new for those in power to use it to there own advantage, since the dawn of time it has happened. There are extents of abuse. I agree, so are you saying this is the worst case of corruption that there has ever been anywhere in the world by a government in power? Because in my mind yes its shit and its corrupt and has made them look stupid but you can't compare it to Robert mugabe and Zimbabwe let's say for instance, that was corruption on a massive level and total disdain for the people whom he ruled over. I will add that i not defending them by the way but I don't think its right to make out its only the tory party who are corrupt and everyone else is squeeky clean." There has been corruption for time immemorum. Howeecer we sell ourselves as the bastion of free speech and look down at the likes of China and Russia.Yet a few months ago no 10 tried to ban several journalist from a press briefing as they were considered too critical.Johnson himself avoids practically any form of scrutiny and gmtv has been blacklisted as Morgan was too brazen. In the past gmnts have at least tried to hide their wrong doings..this lot do it out in the open as we have a docile electorate who simply don't care. So yes without a doubt..this is the most corrupt inept gmnt in living memory. | |||
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"The Russia Report will be published next week. However, it wasnt a rigged election. The Conservatives, being the incumbents, hold the majority of members. Julian Lewis persuaded the other members, Labour and SNP, to vote for him, thus thwarting the election of Chris Grayling. Why has he been kicked out?colluding with the opposition mps of labour and the snp to gain the votes needed for selection to the committee, I think is what they are saying. Nothing to do with the fact that boris wanted his own man in place? What a democratic paradise we live in. yep, they wanted grayling and Lewis got the other parties to vote for him to thwart grayling and the government. Same democratic paradise as its always been, bet this ain't the first time a certain person was shoe horned into a position and it won't be the last, happens every day in normal life as well not just politics. Politics is a dirty business but this lot are taking corruption and chicanery to a a whole new level. Still said it before..the public gets etc. I don't really think this is any more corrupt than lots of things that have happened previously by all parties in the past, this sort of skull dugery has gone on for centuries in politics all around the world, this is just one more case of it. Leave campaign,banning journalists,lying about ppe,lying about figures,nursing hones,getting rid of juries,cummings,ppe contracts,,Russian report...and they have only just started can't say I agree with all your list but my point is you could compile a list for just about every party that has ever been in power here and abroad, its nothing new for those in power to use it to there own advantage, since the dawn of time it has happened. There are extents of abuse. I agree, so are you saying this is the worst case of corruption that there has ever been anywhere in the world by a government in power? Because in my mind yes its shit and its corrupt and has made them look stupid but you can't compare it to Robert mugabe and Zimbabwe let's say for instance, that was corruption on a massive level and total disdain for the people whom he ruled over. I will add that i not defending them by the way but I don't think its right to make out its only the tory party who are corrupt and everyone else is squeeky clean. There has been corruption for time immemorum. Howeecer we sell ourselves as the bastion of free speech and look down at the likes of China and Russia.Yet a few months ago no 10 tried to ban several journalist from a press briefing as they were considered too critical.Johnson himself avoids practically any form of scrutiny and gmtv has been blacklisted as Morgan was too brazen. In the past gmnts have at least tried to hide their wrong doings..this lot do it out in the open as we have a docile electorate who simply don't care. So yes without a doubt..this is the most corrupt inept gmnt in living memory." well that's your opinion mate but when I think of other governments such as the one I mentioned (Mr mugabe) I don't consider this lot in the same league as him sorry, and I will add too that for all the wrongs in the UK we are a bastion of free speech compared to the likes of China, all the blm marches and stuff that's happened here recently would never have happened there, they would have got the booldy tanks out again. I think a lot of the electorate doesn't care about certain issues, only what personally effects them and I doubt that a cross party committee would be high up on there list for sure. | |||
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"The Russia Report will be published next week. However, it wasnt a rigged election. The Conservatives, being the incumbents, hold the majority of members. Julian Lewis persuaded the other members, Labour and SNP, to vote for him, thus thwarting the election of Chris Grayling. Why has he been kicked out?colluding with the opposition mps of labour and the snp to gain the votes needed for selection to the committee, I think is what they are saying. Nothing to do with the fact that boris wanted his own man in place? What a democratic paradise we live in. yep, they wanted grayling and Lewis got the other parties to vote for him to thwart grayling and the government. Same democratic paradise as its always been, bet this ain't the first time a certain person was shoe horned into a position and it won't be the last, happens every day in normal life as well not just politics. Politics is a dirty business but this lot are taking corruption and chicanery to a a whole new level. Still said it before..the public gets etc. I don't really think this is any more corrupt than lots of things that have happened previously by all parties in the past, this sort of skull dugery has gone on for centuries in politics all around the world, this is just one more case of it. Leave campaign,banning journalists,lying about ppe,lying about figures,nursing hones,getting rid of juries,cummings,ppe contracts,,Russian report...and they have only just started can't say I agree with all your list but my point is you could compile a list for just about every party that has ever been in power here and abroad, its nothing new for those in power to use it to there own advantage, since the dawn of time it has happened. There are extents of abuse. I agree, so are you saying this is the worst case of corruption that there has ever been anywhere in the world by a government in power? Because in my mind yes its shit and its corrupt and has made them look stupid but you can't compare it to Robert mugabe and Zimbabwe let's say for instance, that was corruption on a massive level and total disdain for the people whom he ruled over. I will add that i not defending them by the way but I don't think its right to make out its only the tory party who are corrupt and everyone else is squeeky clean. There has been corruption for time immemorum. Howeecer we sell ourselves as the bastion of free speech and look down at the likes of China and Russia.Yet a few months ago no 10 tried to ban several journalist from a press briefing as they were considered too critical.Johnson himself avoids practically any form of scrutiny and gmtv has been blacklisted as Morgan was too brazen. In the past gmnts have at least tried to hide their wrong doings..this lot do it out in the open as we have a docile electorate who simply don't care. So yes without a doubt..this is the most corrupt inept gmnt in living memory. well that's your opinion mate but when I think of other governments such as the one I mentioned (Mr mugabe) I don't consider this lot in the same league as him sorry, and I will add too that for all the wrongs in the UK we are a bastion of free speech compared to the likes of China, all the blm marches and stuff that's happened here recently would never have happened there, they would have got the booldy tanks out again. I think a lot of the electorate doesn't care about certain issues, only what personally effects them and I doubt that a cross party committee would be high up on there list for sure." You are seriously comparing us to Zimbabwe? I should have specified in this country btw. | |||
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"The Russia Report will be published next week. However, it wasnt a rigged election. The Conservatives, being the incumbents, hold the majority of members. Julian Lewis persuaded the other members, Labour and SNP, to vote for him, thus thwarting the election of Chris Grayling. Why has he been kicked out?colluding with the opposition mps of labour and the snp to gain the votes needed for selection to the committee, I think is what they are saying. Nothing to do with the fact that boris wanted his own man in place? What a democratic paradise we live in. yep, they wanted grayling and Lewis got the other parties to vote for him to thwart grayling and the government. Same democratic paradise as its always been, bet this ain't the first time a certain person was shoe horned into a position and it won't be the last, happens every day in normal life as well not just politics. Politics is a dirty business but this lot are taking corruption and chicanery to a a whole new level. Still said it before..the public gets etc. I don't really think this is any more corrupt than lots of things that have happened previously by all parties in the past, this sort of skull dugery has gone on for centuries in politics all around the world, this is just one more case of it. Leave campaign,banning journalists,lying about ppe,lying about figures,nursing hones,getting rid of juries,cummings,ppe contracts,,Russian report...and they have only just started can't say I agree with all your list but my point is you could compile a list for just about every party that has ever been in power here and abroad, its nothing new for those in power to use it to there own advantage, since the dawn of time it has happened. There are extents of abuse. I agree, so are you saying this is the worst case of corruption that there has ever been anywhere in the world by a government in power? Because in my mind yes its shit and its corrupt and has made them look stupid but you can't compare it to Robert mugabe and Zimbabwe let's say for instance, that was corruption on a massive level and total disdain for the people whom he ruled over. I will add that i not defending them by the way but I don't think its right to make out its only the tory party who are corrupt and everyone else is squeeky clean. There has been corruption for time immemorum. Howeecer we sell ourselves as the bastion of free speech and look down at the likes of China and Russia.Yet a few months ago no 10 tried to ban several journalist from a press briefing as they were considered too critical.Johnson himself avoids practically any form of scrutiny and gmtv has been blacklisted as Morgan was too brazen. In the past gmnts have at least tried to hide their wrong doings..this lot do it out in the open as we have a docile electorate who simply don't care. So yes without a doubt..this is the most corrupt inept gmnt in living memory. well that's your opinion mate but when I think of other governments such as the one I mentioned (Mr mugabe) I don't consider this lot in the same league as him sorry, and I will add too that for all the wrongs in the UK we are a bastion of free speech compared to the likes of China, all the blm marches and stuff that's happened here recently would never have happened there, they would have got the booldy tanks out again. I think a lot of the electorate doesn't care about certain issues, only what personally effects them and I doubt that a cross party committee would be high up on there list for sure. You are seriously comparing us to Zimbabwe? I should have specified in this country btw." i was using Zimbabwe as a example of a truly corrupt leading party after what you said, but if you are now saying only this country well thats different, still don't know if i would call this lot the worse so far but yeah Deffo up there on the list. | |||
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"It made me laugh, No 10 tries to put its own man in charge of the Security Committee, tries to wrongly influence the vote & they get beaten by the one person who is actually qualified to do the job - another Tory, but one with a backbone! As the Times said, installing Grayling would have been like replacing James Bond with Johnny English! Bit harsh on JE really, given how useless Grayling is. & now BJ throws his toys out the pram and removes the ‘whip’ from Julian Lewis. He really is losing it, useless at PMQ and doing what Dom wants "This is what post Brexit democracy looks like. We’re so much better than the corrupt EU. | |||
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"Removing the whip from Julian Lewis? Good move I say. After all he did work with Labour Members for his own ends. Well isn't that just like asking members of your own team NOT to kick balls into your own goal! I'd be pretty well annoyed too - and I'd make sure he never played for the A-Team ever again. Regardless of who they put in the job. And let's just remember most MP's dont' have ANY real world employment experience. So experience usually only ever comes with doing a job that they have never done before. "Not false. However it’s also nice to see that some MPs also stick their head above the parapet and don’t just go with the flow like many other MPs who don’t make any waves to build their little career. On a different note, how can a guy like Grayling be in contention? It beggars belief. At least Lewis has done his country a favour. | |||
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"Removing the whip from Julian Lewis? Good move I say. After all he did work with Labour Members for his own ends. Well isn't that just like asking members of your own team NOT to kick balls into your own goal! I'd be pretty well annoyed too - and I'd make sure he never played for the A-Team ever again. Regardless of who they put in the job. And let's just remember most MP's dont' have ANY real world employment experience. So experience usually only ever comes with doing a job that they have never done before.
Not false. However it’s also nice to see that some MPs also stick their head above the parapet and don’t just go with the flow like many other MPs who don’t make any waves to build their little career.
On a different note, how can a guy like Grayling be in contention? It beggars belief. At least Lewis has done his country a favour.
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"Removing the whip from Julian Lewis? Good move I say. After all he did work with Labour Members for his own ends. Well isn't that just like asking members of your own team NOT to kick balls into your own goal! I'd be pretty well annoyed too - and I'd make sure he never played for the A-Team ever again. Regardless of who they put in the job. And let's just remember most MP's dont' have ANY real world employment experience. So experience usually only ever comes with doing a job that they have never done before. "Firstly, the PM cannot chose who Chairs this Committee, 2013 Law says it is the choice of the Committee alone and they should not havebeen trying to influence. Secondly, JuliennLewis actually does have experience to lead the Committee. I believe Gove was saying only people with experience and expertise should get the important jobs. Thirdly, Failing Grayling shouldn’t even be on the Committee given his lack of knowledge, experience and expertise. He has shown that in every single job he has done he has f#ched up big time. In the real world he would have been sacked and be out of a job, not just rolled over to something new he can fail at! Jobs for the boys? | |||
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"Removing the whip from Julian Lewis? Good move I say. After all he did work with Labour Members for his own ends. Well isn't that just like asking members of your own team NOT to kick balls into your own goal! I'd be pretty well annoyed too - and I'd make sure he never played for the A-Team ever again. Regardless of who they put in the job. And let's just remember most MP's dont' have ANY real world employment experience. So experience usually only ever comes with doing a job that they have never done before.
Firstly, the PM cannot chose who Chairs this Committee, 2013 Law says it is the choice of the Committee alone and they should not havebeen trying to influence.
Secondly, JuliennLewis actually does have experience to lead the Committee. I believe Gove was saying only people with experience and expertise should get the important jobs.
Thirdly, Failing Grayling shouldn’t even be on the Committee given his lack of knowledge, experience and expertise. He has shown that in every single job he has done he has f#ched up big time. In the real world he would have been sacked and be out of a job, not just rolled over to something new he can fail at! Jobs for the boys?"Didn't say the PM could choose a candidate - I said having the whip removed was the right thing to do. | |||
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"Removing the whip from Julian Lewis? Good move I say. After all he did work with Labour Members for his own ends. Well isn't that just like asking members of your own team NOT to kick balls into your own goal! I'd be pretty well annoyed too - and I'd make sure he never played for the A-Team ever again. Regardless of who they put in the job. And let's just remember most MP's dont' have ANY real world employment experience. So experience usually only ever comes with doing a job that they have never done before.
Firstly, the PM cannot chose who Chairs this Committee, 2013 Law says it is the choice of the Committee alone and they should not havebeen trying to influence.
Secondly, JuliennLewis actually does have experience to lead the Committee. I believe Gove was saying only people with experience and expertise should get the important jobs.
Thirdly, Failing Grayling shouldn’t even be on the Committee given his lack of knowledge, experience and expertise. He has shown that in every single job he has done he has f#ched up big time. In the real world he would have been sacked and be out of a job, not just rolled over to something new he can fail at! Jobs for the boys?
Didn't say the PM could choose a candidate - I said having the whip removed was the right thing to do. "Removing the whip was an act of spite, from a childish muppet, annoyed at not getting his own way. However, it was the right thing to do - because Lewis is now truly independent from his party and this government. The Committee is meant to be free from influence from the government and the security services it oversees - in order to prevent the sort of abuses that went on in the past, in the UK; and are considered standard practise in the likes of China, Saudi Arabia, Russia, etc. Bear in mind that your PM is Boris Johnson, your Home Secretary is Priti Patel and your Foreign Secretary is Dominic Raab; then feel grateful their involvement in the security of your country is kept under observation and review. | |||
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" Removing the whip was an act of spite, from a childish muppet, annoyed at not getting his own way. And was still the right thing to do. "Such a Sophomere thing to do though dont you think ? | |||
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" Removing the whip was an act of spite, from a childish muppet, annoyed at not getting his own way. And was still the right thing to do.
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" Removing the whip was an act of spite, from a childish muppet, annoyed at not getting his own way. And was still the right thing to do.
Such a Sophomere thing to do though dont you think ?
If it fitted what I wrote then yes. But it doesn't does it.
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" Removing the whip was an act of spite, from a childish muppet, annoyed at not getting his own way. And was still the right thing to do. "Why though? It was illegal to try to influence the Committee. Surely being spiteful just shows how weak BJ actually is?  | |||
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" Removing the whip was an act of spite, from a childish muppet, annoyed at not getting his own way. And was still the right thing to do.
Why though? It was illegal to try to influence the Committee. Surely being spiteful just shows how weak BJ actually is? "It also shows how much this gvt is playing by the rules... or not. Cummings, the illegal prorogation, the contracts given to their mates, The Grayling saga, the delay in publishing the report on Patel, the Russian interference etc... No doubt that Brexit is synonymous with the resurgence of democracy in the U.K. They’re whiter than white. | |||
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"Firstly, the PM cannot chose who Chairs this Committee, 2013 Law says it is the choice of the Committee alone and they should not havebeen trying to influence. Secondly, JuliennLewis actually does have experience to lead the Committee. I believe Gove was saying only people with experience and expertise should get the important jobs. Thirdly, Failing Grayling shouldn’t even be on the Committee given his lack of knowledge, experience and expertise. He has shown that in every single job he has done he has f#ched up big time. In the real world he would have been sacked and be out of a job, not just rolled over to something new he can fail at! Jobs for the boys? Excellently put - as above - Bungling boris the Bozo can not put in place the Shite candidate , who shouldnt even be working for the government- cleaning toilets, with no experience or knowledge for the job needed - what so ever in security and the welfare of our country " in the real world he (failinggrayling) would of been promoted to some obscure position where he can do little of no harm before being shunted out the door with a golden handshake during a restructuring british managment the only one that rewards failure | |||
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" Removing the whip was an act of spite, from a childish muppet, annoyed at not getting his own way. And was still the right thing to do.
Such a Sophomere thing to do though dont you think ?
If it fitted what I wrote then yes. But it doesn't does it.
Who would use the word Sophomore in
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Just beyond daft"Maybe having the son of an American around the house and Mme for my French Mother perhaps. If you live in a World of just one language, you live a very small World indeed.  | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? " see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost" To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost" Except that didn't happen | |||
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"Gove says only experts will get the top jobs. Failing Grayling is clearly no expert in anything. Julien Lewis is actually an expert in hisfield of Defence and Security, but BJ wanted an idiot in charge. As usual, somewhat contradictory from the Govt. What is really interesting here is that even MPs who could normally be expected to back BJ are starting to turn against him. He needs to dump Cummings and remember he was democratically elected to lead a Government, not to be an autocrat..." This thread isn’t a generalised dig at Tory’s, it points to a specific issue. Please take generalisations to your own threads. | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost Except that didn't happen" it didnt happen lol so labour and the lib dems didnt spend 3 yrs telling millions of people that they voted the wrong way and should vite again or calling the to uneducated to have been alliwed a vote.what did they expect to happen all those millions of voters to vote for them and after labour went back on there word to respect the result that was the final nail in the coffin for them.and you realky dont think killary calling people deplorables didnt turn people of her? keep living in your chamber lionel.the inly thing the torys have going for them isthere cunts and dont try to hide that fact.the other partys are cunts aswell but try and hide the fact.who knows mabey peeps voted tory as they knew exactally what they were getting.with the other partys not so much | |||
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It did not matter one iota that these lying robots got in - at the time.
The only thing that was everyone's mind was.......
Get Brexit Done - thats the only work Bo
zo boris has done.
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost Except that didn't happen it didnt happen lol so labour and the lib dems didnt spend 3 yrs telling millions of people that they voted the wrong way and should vite again or calling the to uneducated to have been alliwed a vote.what did they expect to happen all those millions of voters to vote for them and after labour went back on there word to respect the result that was the final nail in the coffin for them.and you realky dont think killary calling people deplorables didnt turn people of her? keep living in your chamber lionel.the inly thing the torys have going for them isthere cunts and dont try to hide that fact.the other partys are cunts aswell but try and hide the fact.who knows mabey peeps voted tory as they knew exactally what they were getting.with the other partys not so much" Find me a link where a labour or a liberal mp called voters thick. | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. " sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it? | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it?" The brexit referendum was built on a tissue of lies and is going to make us much poorer as a country. We should have been told the possible consequences 1st and then given the option of staying or leaving.If that would have happened,and we would have voted out,every single person would have accepted it. Instead we were given a choice with no information resulting in people voting for different reasons. It was a total cluster fuck. | |||
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The brexit referendum was built on a tissue of lies AND a three word slogan.
Thats it.
No work - no effort from Bo zo
We all know who wrote the 3 word slogan, Cumming our Leader - Boris couldn't even do that.......
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"_estival You've nailed it - very well put
It did not matter one iota that these lying robots got in - at the time.
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"It is like Boris has popped up on the podium and everyone is going ...... What the fuck have we done - this shytster is our leader "i should imagine it all depends on your political leanings if you think oh god.town i live in has been tory as long as i can remember.2 labour on the council and 20 odd torys.dnt ever hear anyone slagging him ofc round here.if you live in a labour area u obviously gona think he is the anti christ | |||
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"I am saying he is showing himself upto be not a good leader at all. Final nail for me was he was so spinless after the race riots in the U.S.A He failed to call out Trump, as it is the U.S which are our allies and the internal working of the U.S And not a sociopathic crazy wackjob" race riots in usa? why should we comment on whats going on there? think it was antifa and middle class white democrats doing most of the rioting seen a few vids on youtube of black people telling them to get the fuck out of our neighbourhoods.and sorry i didnt realise its only under trump that police brutality has become a thing.none of it under obama though eh? he was in for 8 years you would of thought him being a black man he would of done something about instutuional racism in his two terms wouldnt you.and for a racist country he sure done well to get elected twice.its staggering how he managed it if the u.s is that bad | |||
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"Any way this post is about what a shower of shit this government is. " you was the one who brought the race riots in the u.s into this.why should boris say anything to trump about it.it didnt happen here it happend in the u.s. and it will all dissapear after november elections wether the dems win or not | |||
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"Why comment on the U.S, your are fkn joking surely. Because when something is so badly wrong and going tits up like it is in the a U.S at the moment. Yes - you stand up for what is right. Seeing the U.S implode like the death star - under Trump - is dangerous for us all. " nit joking at all .know its hard for you to comprehend but not everyone gives a shit as much as you seem to.but dont worry mate there will be another bandwagon along soon for you to hop on board with | |||
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"What a numpty you are, You do get that we are tied to the U.S for huge security reasons. And it is currently is being ran by a mad man....... We all are taking notice what goes on This is a politics forum, you get that ???" US . has been a close ally of the UK long before Trump came along .... | |||
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"What a numpty you are, You do get that we are tied to the U.S for huge security reasons. And it is currently is being ran by a mad man....... We all are taking notice what goes on This is a politics forum, you get that ??? US . has been a close ally of the UK long before Trump came along ...." Lap dog would be a more appropriate term | |||
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"What a numpty you are, You do get that we are tied to the U.S for huge security reasons. And it is currently is being ran by a mad man....... We all are taking notice what goes on This is a politics forum, you get that ??? US . has been a close ally of the UK long before Trump came along .... Lap dog would be a more appropriate term" Agreed, they screwed us over Lend Lease, nukes, overseas bases, Iraq, etc. Whilst we have a ‘common’ language and some similarities in outlook, America First and MAGA does not support a close relationship with the UK | |||
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"What a numpty you are, You do get that we are tied to the U.S for huge security reasons. And it is currently is being ran by a mad man....... We all are taking notice what goes on This is a politics forum, you get that ???" ooooo numpty lol yea just about your level dont like someone insult them lol.the u.s beung one by a mad man eh course it is have read a lot of your posts mate and the onlyobe coming across as mad is you my freind.try not to let donald under your skin all yhat hate and anger will end up giving u an ulcer..on second thoughts you carry on | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost Except that didn't happen it didnt happen lol so labour and the lib dems didnt spend 3 yrs telling millions of people that they voted the wrong way and should vite again or calling the to uneducated to have been alliwed a vote.what did they expect to happen all those millions of voters to vote for them and after labour went back on there word to respect the result that was the final nail in the coffin for them.and you realky dont think killary calling people deplorables didnt turn people of her? keep living in your chamber lionel.the inly thing the torys have going for them isthere cunts and dont try to hide that fact.the other partys are cunts aswell but try and hide the fact.who knows mabey peeps voted tory as they knew exactally what they were getting.with the other partys not so much Find me a link where a labour or a liberal mp called voters thick." Have the brexiters forgotten that the tories had a majority at the time. If the Tory MPs had voted for May’s deal, the whole thing would have been fairly quick. But no, the ERG, the Johnsons, IDS and co didn’t want it. So blaming the opposition is farcical. Lying over the same thing again and again doesn’t make it true. | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost Except that didn't happen it didnt happen lol so labour and the lib dems didnt spend 3 yrs telling millions of people that they voted the wrong way and should vite again or calling the to uneducated to have been alliwed a vote.what did they expect to happen all those millions of voters to vote for them and after labour went back on there word to respect the result that was the final nail in the coffin for them.and you realky dont think killary calling people deplorables didnt turn people of her? keep living in your chamber lionel.the inly thing the torys have going for them isthere cunts and dont try to hide that fact.the other partys are cunts aswell but try and hide the fact.who knows mabey peeps voted tory as they knew exactally what they were getting.with the other partys not so much Find me a link where a labour or a liberal mp called voters thick. Have the brexiters forgotten that the tories had a majority at the time. If the Tory MPs had voted for May’s deal, the whole thing would have been fairly quick. But no, the ERG, the Johnsons, IDS and co didn’t want it. So blaming the opposition is farcical. Lying over the same thing again and again doesn’t make it true. "A lot of people have the attention span of a gnat sadly. Just wait till Brexit properly goes tits up. | |||
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"Just like the post match interviews. Week in week out. Never changes. 'If we had played better we would have been promoted. If we'd have scored more goals we'd have won that game . . .' Ad-infinitum . . . Brexit. We are out. No matter what team you are on. There aren't any Brexiteers left. There are only Brexit winners and Brexit losers. The government are up for elections in four years. The bad guys lost or the good guys lost. People. Live your life between. Better yet you have four years to canvas your team into office. (This has been a non-partisan message from the get real party). "Agreed about living your life in between.
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it? The brexit referendum was built on a tissue of lies and is going to make us much poorer as a country. We should have been told the possible consequences 1st and then given the option of staying or leaving.If that would have happened,and we would have voted out,every single person would have accepted it. Instead we were given a choice with no information resulting in people voting for different reasons. It was a total cluster fuck." I seem to remember we was told the consequences of leaving on a daily basis during the referendum. Instant recession, punishment budgets ect ect. Even a pamphlet to every household. After all that the vote was leave. Since then we had 2 elections. First both Labour and conservative promised to honour the vote and got 80 percent of the vote. Then last year another GE where Tory was clear leave, Labour second referendum and lib dems overturn. | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it? The brexit referendum was built on a tissue of lies and is going to make us much poorer as a country. We should have been told the possible consequences 1st and then given the option of staying or leaving.If that would have happened,and we would have voted out,every single person would have accepted it. Instead we were given a choice with no information resulting in people voting for different reasons. It was a total cluster fuck. I seem to remember we was told the consequences of leaving on a daily basis during the referendum. Instant recession, punishment budgets ect ect. Even a pamphlet to every household. After all that the vote was leave. Since then we had 2 elections. First both Labour and conservative promised to honour the vote and got 80 percent of the vote. Then last year another GE where Tory was clear leave, Labour second referendum and lib dems overturn. " Do you seriously want to compare the lies told by the 2 sides. If we left we were told we would economically suffer. Something the home secretary confirmed a few months ago. And something which is hardly a distant possibility. | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it? The brexit referendum was built on a tissue of lies and is going to make us much poorer as a country. We should have been told the possible consequences 1st and then given the option of staying or leaving.If that would have happened,and we would have voted out,every single person would have accepted it. Instead we were given a choice with no information resulting in people voting for different reasons. It was a total cluster fuck. I seem to remember we was told the consequences of leaving on a daily basis during the referendum. Instant recession, punishment budgets ect ect. Even a pamphlet to every household. After all that the vote was leave. Since then we had 2 elections. First both Labour and conservative promised to honour the vote and got 80 percent of the vote. Then last year another GE where Tory was clear leave, Labour second referendum and lib dems overturn. " We was told...Ouch! Labour was clearly between a rock and a hard place over Brexit. It must have cost them a lots of votes. I think it’s fair to say that this as well as Corbyn’s image are the main reason the election’s result. Any donkey with a blue rosette would have won it. At least, now the tories have a clear majority and we’re out. So when things go tits up, they won’t be able to blame Europe, Labour or the Lib Dems I wonder who their next scapegoat will because they can never take ownership of their own crap. | |||
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" Labour was clearly between a rock and a hard place over Brexit. It must have cost them a lots of votes. I think it’s fair to say that this as well as Corbyn’s image are the main reason the election’s result. Any donkey with a blue rosette would have won it. At least, now the tories have a clear majority and we’re out. So when things go tits up, they won’t be able to blame Europe, Labour or the Lib Dems I wonder who their next scapegoat will because they can never take ownership of their own crap." And on this I entirely agree with you. | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it? The brexit referendum was built on a tissue of lies and is going to make us much poorer as a country. We should have been told the possible consequences 1st and then given the option of staying or leaving.If that would have happened,and we would have voted out,every single person would have accepted it. Instead we were given a choice with no information resulting in people voting for different reasons. It was a total cluster fuck. I seem to remember we was told the consequences of leaving on a daily basis during the referendum. Instant recession, punishment budgets ect ect. Even a pamphlet to every household. After all that the vote was leave. Since then we had 2 elections. First both Labour and conservative promised to honour the vote and got 80 percent of the vote. Then last year another GE where Tory was clear leave, Labour second referendum and lib dems overturn. We was told...Ouch! Labour was clearly between a rock and a hard place over Brexit. It must have cost them a lots of votes. I think it’s fair to say that this as well as Corbyn’s image are the main reason the election’s result. Any donkey with a blue rosette would have won it. At least, now the tories have a clear majority and we’re out. So when things go tits up, they won’t be able to blame Europe, Labour or the Lib Dems I wonder who their next scapegoat will because they can never take ownership of their own crap." It will be the EU'fault. Its a nap. | |||
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"Oh I might add that Labour promised way too much - even simple thinking people thought it 'suspect'. A tight and focussed election might have made all the difference." Most of their policies made perfect sense..living wage,nationalisation etc They lost because of brexit and corbyn was painted as some sort of antichrist. | |||
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"Oh I might add that Labour promised way too much - even simple thinking people thought it 'suspect'. A tight and focussed election might have made all the difference. Most of their policies made perfect sense..living wage,nationalisation etc They lost because of brexit and corbyn was painted as some sort of antichrist." You need to wipe off those rosy glasses lol and go remind yourself by reading back issues of ALL media outlets at the time and post of the election. And also remember that Corby has posh roots too. Posh upbringing. Posh School. yadda yadda yadda . . . | |||
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"Oh I might add that Labour promised way too much - even simple thinking people thought it 'suspect'. A tight and focussed election might have made all the difference. Most of their policies made perfect sense..living wage,nationalisation etc They lost because of brexit and corbyn was painted as some sort of antichrist. You need to wipe off those rosy glasses lol and go remind yourself by reading back issues of ALL media outlets at the time and post of the election. And also remember that Corby has posh roots too. Posh upbringing. Posh School. yadda yadda yadda . . . " Literally no idea what you are on about. What's being posh got anything to do with it? Are you saying he got an easy ride in the media? | |||
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"Oh I might add that Labour promised way too much - even simple thinking people thought it 'suspect'. A tight and focussed election might have made all the difference. Most of their policies made perfect sense..living wage,nationalisation etc They lost because of brexit and corbyn was painted as some sort of antichrist. You need to wipe off those rosy glasses lol and go remind yourself by reading back issues of ALL media outlets at the time and post of the election. And also remember that Corby has posh roots too. Posh upbringing. Posh School. yadda yadda yadda . . . Literally no idea what you are on about. What's being posh got anything to do with it? Are you saying he got an easy ride in the media?" It's just so easy to fight for the poor . . . when you already have so much privilege . . . wot, snort, don't you know . . . | |||
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"Oh I might add that Labour promised way too much - even simple thinking people thought it 'suspect'. A tight and focussed election might have made all the difference. Most of their policies made perfect sense..living wage,nationalisation etc They lost because of brexit and corbyn was painted as some sort of antichrist. You need to wipe off those rosy glasses lol and go remind yourself by reading back issues of ALL media outlets at the time and post of the election. And also remember that Corby has posh roots too. Posh upbringing. Posh School. yadda yadda yadda . . . Literally no idea what you are on about. What's being posh got anything to do with it? Are you saying he got an easy ride in the media? It's just so easy to fight for the poor . . . when you already have so much privilege . . . wot, snort, don't you know . . . "So..you can only fight for workers rights if your dad was a chimney sweep? | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it? The brexit referendum was built on a tissue of lies and is going to make us much poorer as a country. We should have been told the possible consequences 1st and then given the option of staying or leaving.If that would have happened,and we would have voted out,every single person would have accepted it. Instead we were given a choice with no information resulting in people voting for different reasons. It was a total cluster fuck. I seem to remember we was told the consequences of leaving on a daily basis during the referendum. Instant recession, punishment budgets ect ect. Even a pamphlet to every household. After all that the vote was leave. Since then we had 2 elections. First both Labour and conservative promised to honour the vote and got 80 percent of the vote. Then last year another GE where Tory was clear leave, Labour second referendum and lib dems overturn. Do you seriously want to compare the lies told by the 2 sides. If we left we were told we would economically suffer. Something the home secretary confirmed a few months ago. And something which is hardly a distant possibility. " Earlier you claimed we was not told of the consequences which is untrue. I was saying we were told. I did not mention lies told by either side did I ? | |||
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" So..you can only fight for workers rights if your dad was a chimney sweep?" Oh! And in the same breath so many call conservatives for being posh !!! 'Au contraire mon ami'. | |||
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" So..you can only fight for workers rights if your dad was a chimney sweep? Oh! And in the same breath so many call conservatives for being posh !!! 'Au contraire mon ami'." Have you been on the sauce? | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it? The brexit referendum was built on a tissue of lies and is going to make us much poorer as a country. We should have been told the possible consequences 1st and then given the option of staying or leaving.If that would have happened,and we would have voted out,every single person would have accepted it. Instead we were given a choice with no information resulting in people voting for different reasons. It was a total cluster fuck. I seem to remember we was told the consequences of leaving on a daily basis during the referendum. Instant recession, punishment budgets ect ect. Even a pamphlet to every household. After all that the vote was leave. Since then we had 2 elections. First both Labour and conservative promised to honour the vote and got 80 percent of the vote. Then last year another GE where Tory was clear leave, Labour second referendum and lib dems overturn. We was told...Ouch! Labour was clearly between a rock and a hard place over Brexit. It must have cost them a lots of votes. I think it’s fair to say that this as well as Corbyn’s image are the main reason the election’s result. Any donkey with a blue rosette would have won it. At least, now the tories have a clear majority and we’re out. So when things go tits up, they won’t be able to blame Europe, Labour or the Lib Dems I wonder who their next scapegoat will because they can never take ownership of their own crap." So you agree the different parties all had clear outcomes for brexit then and choose Tory. | |||
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" So..you can only fight for workers rights if your dad was a chimney sweep? Oh! And in the same breath so many call conservatives for being posh !!! 'Au contraire mon ami'. Have you been on the sauce? "Yet my answer it still is pertinent
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it? The brexit referendum was built on a tissue of lies and is going to make us much poorer as a country. We should have been told the possible consequences 1st and then given the option of staying or leaving.If that would have happened,and we would have voted out,every single person would have accepted it. Instead we were given a choice with no information resulting in people voting for different reasons. It was a total cluster fuck. I seem to remember we was told the consequences of leaving on a daily basis during the referendum. Instant recession, punishment budgets ect ect. Even a pamphlet to every household. After all that the vote was leave. Since then we had 2 elections. First both Labour and conservative promised to honour the vote and got 80 percent of the vote. Then last year another GE where Tory was clear leave, Labour second referendum and lib dems overturn. Do you seriously want to compare the lies told by the 2 sides. If we left we were told we would economically suffer. Something the home secretary confirmed a few months ago. And something which is hardly a distant possibility. Earlier you claimed we was not told of the consequences which is untrue. I was saying we were told. I did not mention lies told by either side did I ? " I can't see where I said anything about consequences. No one knows the consequences which was why it was such a monumentally stupid fucking thing to do. | |||
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" So..you can only fight for workers rights if your dad was a chimney sweep? Oh! And in the same breath so many call conservatives for being posh !!! 'Au contraire mon ami'. Have you been on the sauce?
Yet my answer it still is pertinent
Oh and just two glasses so far. "Thought so It's not really..wealth and privilege is nothing to do with it. You can be a well off socialist.. and incidentally I'm not sure corbyn is member of the aristocracy just cos he went to a private school. | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it? The brexit referendum was built on a tissue of lies and is going to make us much poorer as a country. We should have been told the possible consequences 1st and then given the option of staying or leaving.If that would have happened,and we would have voted out,every single person would have accepted it. Instead we were given a choice with no information resulting in people voting for different reasons. It was a total cluster fuck. I seem to remember we was told the consequences of leaving on a daily basis during the referendum. Instant recession, punishment budgets ect ect. Even a pamphlet to every household. After all that the vote was leave. Since then we had 2 elections. First both Labour and conservative promised to honour the vote and got 80 percent of the vote. Then last year another GE where Tory was clear leave, Labour second referendum and lib dems overturn. Do you seriously want to compare the lies told by the 2 sides. If we left we were told we would economically suffer. Something the home secretary confirmed a few months ago. And something which is hardly a distant possibility. Earlier you claimed we was not told of the consequences which is untrue. I was saying we were told. I did not mention lies told by either side did I ? I can't see where I said anything about consequences. No one knows the consequences which was why it was such a monumentally stupid fucking thing to do." Look further up this thread (also in light grey on this post) You wrote "we should have been told the possible consequences first then given the option to leave or stay" well we was told the consequences as I pointed out earlier and you confirmed. How can you claim we was not told when we clearly was and still voted to leave | |||
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" So..you can only fight for workers rights if your dad was a chimney sweep? Oh! And in the same breath so many call conservatives for being posh !!! 'Au contraire mon ami'. Have you been on the sauce?
Yet my answer it still is pertinent
Oh and just two glasses so far.
Thought so
It's not really..wealth and privilege is nothing to do with it.
You can be a well off socialist.. and incidentally I'm not sure corbyn is member of the aristocracy just cos he went to a private school. "He has more money that Boris. | |||
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" He has more money that Boris. " No Wait. Scrub that. Champagne Socialists want Champagne for everybody - I can go with that. But who's going to bring the car around. Or mow the Lawn. Or make the widgets. or . . .? Hic . . . **^^ | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it? The brexit referendum was built on a tissue of lies and is going to make us much poorer as a country. We should have been told the possible consequences 1st and then given the option of staying or leaving.If that would have happened,and we would have voted out,every single person would have accepted it. Instead we were given a choice with no information resulting in people voting for different reasons. It was a total cluster fuck. I seem to remember we was told the consequences of leaving on a daily basis during the referendum. Instant recession, punishment budgets ect ect. Even a pamphlet to every household. After all that the vote was leave. Since then we had 2 elections. First both Labour and conservative promised to honour the vote and got 80 percent of the vote. Then last year another GE where Tory was clear leave, Labour second referendum and lib dems overturn. Do you seriously want to compare the lies told by the 2 sides. If we left we were told we would economically suffer. Something the home secretary confirmed a few months ago. And something which is hardly a distant possibility. Earlier you claimed we was not told of the consequences which is untrue. I was saying we were told. I did not mention lies told by either side did I ? I can't see where I said anything about consequences. No one knows the consequences which was why it was such a monumentally stupid fucking thing to do. Look further up this thread (also in light grey on this post) You wrote "we should have been told the possible consequences first then given the option to leave or stay" well we was told the consequences as I pointed out earlier and you confirmed. How can you claim we was not told when we clearly was and still voted to leave" So possible consequences then? On one side We were told the eu would be begging us not to leave. We were told other countries would be begging to do trade deals by us.The easiest trade deal know history. The bus,Turkey,20 Years of bullshit from the mail and the rag.david Davis and his individual trade deals.All lies. And on the other we were trade we would suffer economically if we left. Bit of a disparity no? Tbh though 'im not one of those people who go with "the people were lied to 'argument. People voted to leave. Let them live with the consequences. | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it?" Totally agree they messed this up big time insulting people though slightly disagree just the politicians had an influence as some of the public activity repeated it to their friends, family and work colleagues. I saw it several times on programs like question time where the audience openly insulted others just for having a different view.I guess the poster has nothing left to loose now after looking every vote. | |||
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" He has more money that Boris. No Wait. Scrub that. Champagne Socialists want Champagne for everybody - I can go with that. But who's going to bring the car around. Or mow the Lawn. Or make the widgets. or . . .? Hic . . . **^^"
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" So..you can only fight for workers rights if your dad was a chimney sweep? Oh! And in the same breath so many call conservatives for being posh !!! 'Au contraire mon ami'. Have you been on the sauce?
Yet my answer it still is pertinent
Oh and just two glasses so far.
Thought so
It's not really..wealth and privilege is nothing to do with it.
You can be a well off socialist.. and incidentally I'm not sure corbyn is member of the aristocracy just cos he went to a private school.
He has more money that Boris.
"Debatable. And only cos bj had to give his away to his numerous exes and unknown number of kids. Really irrelevant though. Bj wouldnt piss on the working class if they were on fire. | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it? Totally agree they messed this up big time insulting people though slightly disagree just the politicians had an influence as some of the public activity repeated it to their friends, family and work colleagues. I saw it several times on programs like question time where the audience openly insulted others just for having a different view.I guess the poster has nothing left to loose now after looking every vote. " Do you think we have a well informed electorate? | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it? The brexit referendum was built on a tissue of lies and is going to make us much poorer as a country. We should have been told the possible consequences 1st and then given the option of staying or leaving.If that would have happened,and we would have voted out,every single person would have accepted it. Instead we were given a choice with no information resulting in people voting for different reasons. It was a total cluster fuck. I seem to remember we was told the consequences of leaving on a daily basis during the referendum. Instant recession, punishment budgets ect ect. Even a pamphlet to every household. After all that the vote was leave. Since then we had 2 elections. First both Labour and conservative promised to honour the vote and got 80 percent of the vote. Then last year another GE where Tory was clear leave, Labour second referendum and lib dems overturn. Do you seriously want to compare the lies told by the 2 sides. If we left we were told we would economically suffer. Something the home secretary confirmed a few months ago. And something which is hardly a distant possibility. Earlier you claimed we was not told of the consequences which is untrue. I was saying we were told. I did not mention lies told by either side did I ? I can't see where I said anything about consequences. No one knows the consequences which was why it was such a monumentally stupid fucking thing to do. Look further up this thread (also in light grey on this post) You wrote "we should have been told the possible consequences first then given the option to leave or stay" well we was told the consequences as I pointed out earlier and you confirmed. How can you claim we was not told when we clearly was and still voted to leave So possible consequences then? On one side We were told the eu would be begging us not to leave. We were told other countries would be begging to do trade deals by us.The easiest trade deal know history. The bus,Turkey,20 Years of bullshit from the mail and the rag.david Davis and his individual trade deals.All lies. And on the other we were trade we would suffer economically if we left. Bit of a disparity no? Tbh though 'im not one of those people who go with "the people were lied to 'argument. People voted to leave. Let them live with the consequences. " Your missing the point but at the same time proving mine. You said and then later tried to deny that we was not told of the consequences. That is clearly untrue. I did not mention claims made by the leave side did I? I did point out that remain told us daily of the consequences which I would fully expect them to. Trying to deny that happened seems very strange | |||
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"Just like the post match interviews. Week in week out. Never changes. 'If we had played better we would have been promoted. If we'd have scored more goals we'd have won that game . . .' Ad-infinitum . . . Brexit. We are out. No matter what team you are on. There aren't any Brexiteers left. There are only Brexit winners and Brexit losers. The government are up for elections in four years. The bad guys lost or the good guys lost. People. Live your life between. Better yet you have four years to canvas your team into office. (This has been a non-partisan message from the get real party).
Agreed about living your life in between.
But no the match is not over. It’ll never be until we rejoin. And I’m certain we will. Not tomorrow, not in five years’ time but common sense will prevail. The bigotry of this gvt is exposed everyday. This country will find its senses again. "To rejoin could be harder than leaving as far as persuading people. I maybe wrong but I think all new members have to join the euro and of course we would not get the rebate anymore. | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it? The brexit referendum was built on a tissue of lies and is going to make us much poorer as a country. We should have been told the possible consequences 1st and then given the option of staying or leaving.If that would have happened,and we would have voted out,every single person would have accepted it. Instead we were given a choice with no information resulting in people voting for different reasons. It was a total cluster fuck. I seem to remember we was told the consequences of leaving on a daily basis during the referendum. Instant recession, punishment budgets ect ect. Even a pamphlet to every household. After all that the vote was leave. Since then we had 2 elections. First both Labour and conservative promised to honour the vote and got 80 percent of the vote. Then last year another GE where Tory was clear leave, Labour second referendum and lib dems overturn. Do you seriously want to compare the lies told by the 2 sides. If we left we were told we would economically suffer. Something the home secretary confirmed a few months ago. And something which is hardly a distant possibility. Earlier you claimed we was not told of the consequences which is untrue. I was saying we were told. I did not mention lies told by either side did I ? I can't see where I said anything about consequences. No one knows the consequences which was why it was such a monumentally stupid fucking thing to do. Look further up this thread (also in light grey on this post) You wrote "we should have been told the possible consequences first then given the option to leave or stay" well we was told the consequences as I pointed out earlier and you confirmed. How can you claim we was not told when we clearly was and still voted to leave So possible consequences then? On one side We were told the eu would be begging us not to leave. We were told other countries would be begging to do trade deals by us.The easiest trade deal know history. The bus,Turkey,20 Years of bullshit from the mail and the rag.david Davis and his individual trade deals.All lies. And on the other we were trade we would suffer economically if we left. Bit of a disparity no? Tbh though 'im not one of those people who go with "the people were lied to 'argument. People voted to leave. Let them live with the consequences. Your missing the point but at the same time proving mine. You said and then later tried to deny that we was not told of the consequences. That is clearly untrue. I did not mention claims made by the leave side did I? I did point out that remain told us daily of the consequences which I would fully expect them to. Trying to deny that happened seems very strange" Ok I get you. I said we should have been told the possible consequences and you said we were? I agree to a point but we were also fed the lies I mentioned above..and no deal was never brought up as an option so I suppose it depends who you believed. My point was a simple one however.We should have been provided with all the information before the referendum took place. Not afterwards. | |||
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"Just like the post match interviews. Week in week out. Never changes. 'If we had played better we would have been promoted. If we'd have scored more goals we'd have won that game . . .' Ad-infinitum . . . Brexit. We are out. No matter what team you are on. There aren't any Brexiteers left. There are only Brexit winners and Brexit losers. The government are up for elections in four years. The bad guys lost or the good guys lost. People. Live your life between. Better yet you have four years to canvas your team into office. (This has been a non-partisan message from the get real party).
Agreed about living your life in between.
But no the match is not over. It’ll never be until we rejoin. And I’m certain we will. Not tomorrow, not in five years’ time but common sense will prevail. The bigotry of this gvt is exposed everyday. This country will find its senses again.
To rejoin could be harder than leaving as far as persuading people. I maybe wrong but I think all new members have to join the euro and of course we would not get the rebate anymore."Exactly and I hope they’ll make us go for the whole thing. We’ve managed to get pretty much everything we wanted out of the Eu but it was ever enough. Rebate, no euro, no Schengen but the U.K. keep whinging and whinging. | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it? The brexit referendum was built on a tissue of lies and is going to make us much poorer as a country. We should have been told the possible consequences 1st and then given the option of staying or leaving.If that would have happened,and we would have voted out,every single person would have accepted it. Instead we were given a choice with no information resulting in people voting for different reasons. It was a total cluster fuck. I seem to remember we was told the consequences of leaving on a daily basis during the referendum. Instant recession, punishment budgets ect ect. Even a pamphlet to every household. After all that the vote was leave. Since then we had 2 elections. First both Labour and conservative promised to honour the vote and got 80 percent of the vote. Then last year another GE where Tory was clear leave, Labour second referendum and lib dems overturn. Do you seriously want to compare the lies told by the 2 sides. If we left we were told we would economically suffer. Something the home secretary confirmed a few months ago. And something which is hardly a distant possibility. Earlier you claimed we was not told of the consequences which is untrue. I was saying we were told. I did not mention lies told by either side did I ? I can't see where I said anything about consequences. No one knows the consequences which was why it was such a monumentally stupid fucking thing to do. Look further up this thread (also in light grey on this post) You wrote "we should have been told the possible consequences first then given the option to leave or stay" well we was told the consequences as I pointed out earlier and you confirmed. How can you claim we was not told when we clearly was and still voted to leave So possible consequences then? On one side We were told the eu would be begging us not to leave. We were told other countries would be begging to do trade deals by us.The easiest trade deal know history. The bus,Turkey,20 Years of bullshit from the mail and the rag.david Davis and his individual trade deals.All lies. And on the other we were trade we would suffer economically if we left. Bit of a disparity no? Tbh though 'im not one of those people who go with "the people were lied to 'argument. People voted to leave. Let them live with the consequences. Your missing the point but at the same time proving mine. You said and then later tried to deny that we was not told of the consequences. That is clearly untrue. I did not mention claims made by the leave side did I? I did point out that remain told us daily of the consequences which I would fully expect them to. Trying to deny that happened seems very strange Ok I get you. I said we should have been told the possible consequences and you said we were? I agree to a point but we were also fed the lies I mentioned above..and no deal was never brought up as an option so I suppose it depends who you believed. My point was a simple one however.We should have been provided with all the information before the referendum took place. Not afterwards." Exactly you confirmed it then tried to deny it. As said before I did not mention the lies told by both sides. No deal was brought up by the remain side so again we was told. The information available at the time was provided by both sides and as said the remain side repeatedly told us about the consequences. What specific information do you think was missing? Since the referendum and with more knowledge we had last year's election and the result was to continue | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it? The brexit referendum was built on a tissue of lies and is going to make us much poorer as a country. We should have been told the possible consequences 1st and then given the option of staying or leaving.If that would have happened,and we would have voted out,every single person would have accepted it. Instead we were given a choice with no information resulting in people voting for different reasons. It was a total cluster fuck. I seem to remember we was told the consequences of leaving on a daily basis during the referendum. Instant recession, punishment budgets ect ect. Even a pamphlet to every household. After all that the vote was leave. Since then we had 2 elections. First both Labour and conservative promised to honour the vote and got 80 percent of the vote. Then last year another GE where Tory was clear leave, Labour second referendum and lib dems overturn. Do you seriously want to compare the lies told by the 2 sides. If we left we were told we would economically suffer. Something the home secretary confirmed a few months ago. And something which is hardly a distant possibility. Earlier you claimed we was not told of the consequences which is untrue. I was saying we were told. I did not mention lies told by either side did I ? I can't see where I said anything about consequences. No one knows the consequences which was why it was such a monumentally stupid fucking thing to do. Look further up this thread (also in light grey on this post) You wrote "we should have been told the possible consequences first then given the option to leave or stay" well we was told the consequences as I pointed out earlier and you confirmed. How can you claim we was not told when we clearly was and still voted to leave So possible consequences then? On one side We were told the eu would be begging us not to leave. We were told other countries would be begging to do trade deals by us.The easiest trade deal know history. The bus,Turkey,20 Years of bullshit from the mail and the rag.david Davis and his individual trade deals.All lies. And on the other we were trade we would suffer economically if we left. Bit of a disparity no? Tbh though 'im not one of those people who go with "the people were lied to 'argument. People voted to leave. Let them live with the consequences. Your missing the point but at the same time proving mine. You said and then later tried to deny that we was not told of the consequences. That is clearly untrue. I did not mention claims made by the leave side did I? I did point out that remain told us daily of the consequences which I would fully expect them to. Trying to deny that happened seems very strange Ok I get you. I said we should have been told the possible consequences and you said we were? I agree to a point but we were also fed the lies I mentioned above..and no deal was never brought up as an option so I suppose it depends who you believed. My point was a simple one however.We should have been provided with all the information before the referendum took place. Not afterwards. Exactly you confirmed it then tried to deny it. As said before I did not mention the lies told by both sides. No deal was brought up by the remain side so again we was told. The information available at the time was provided by both sides and as said the remain side repeatedly told us about the consequences. What specific information do you think was missing? Since the referendum and with more knowledge we had last year's election and the result was to continue" No deal was never mentioned. The chancellor could have come out beforehand and said jobs will definitely be lost We could have been told the turkey story was nonsense. We could have been told that the process of leaving would be a long arduous road which would leave the country in 2. We could have been told we couldn't do individual trade deals and we could have been told the £350m was total bullshit. We could have asked what "taking back control 'actually means We could have been told about the EU's desire to close tax loopholes. Do you think we were more informed before the referendum than we are now? | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it? The brexit referendum was built on a tissue of lies and is going to make us much poorer as a country. We should have been told the possible consequences 1st and then given the option of staying or leaving.If that would have happened,and we would have voted out,every single person would have accepted it. Instead we were given a choice with no information resulting in people voting for different reasons. It was a total cluster fuck. I seem to remember we was told the consequences of leaving on a daily basis during the referendum. Instant recession, punishment budgets ect ect. Even a pamphlet to every household. After all that the vote was leave. Since then we had 2 elections. First both Labour and conservative promised to honour the vote and got 80 percent of the vote. Then last year another GE where Tory was clear leave, Labour second referendum and lib dems overturn. Do you seriously want to compare the lies told by the 2 sides. If we left we were told we would economically suffer. Something the home secretary confirmed a few months ago. And something which is hardly a distant possibility. Earlier you claimed we was not told of the consequences which is untrue. I was saying we were told. I did not mention lies told by either side did I ? I can't see where I said anything about consequences. No one knows the consequences which was why it was such a monumentally stupid fucking thing to do. Look further up this thread (also in light grey on this post) You wrote "we should have been told the possible consequences first then given the option to leave or stay" well we was told the consequences as I pointed out earlier and you confirmed. How can you claim we was not told when we clearly was and still voted to leave So possible consequences then? On one side We were told the eu would be begging us not to leave. We were told other countries would be begging to do trade deals by us.The easiest trade deal know history. The bus,Turkey,20 Years of bullshit from the mail and the rag.david Davis and his individual trade deals.All lies. And on the other we were trade we would suffer economically if we left. Bit of a disparity no? Tbh though 'im not one of those people who go with "the people were lied to 'argument. People voted to leave. Let them live with the consequences. Your missing the point but at the same time proving mine. You said and then later tried to deny that we was not told of the consequences. That is clearly untrue. I did not mention claims made by the leave side did I? I did point out that remain told us daily of the consequences which I would fully expect them to. Trying to deny that happened seems very strange Ok I get you. I said we should have been told the possible consequences and you said we were? I agree to a point but we were also fed the lies I mentioned above..and no deal was never brought up as an option so I suppose it depends who you believed. My point was a simple one however.We should have been provided with all the information before the referendum took place. Not afterwards. Exactly you confirmed it then tried to deny it. As said before I did not mention the lies told by both sides. No deal was brought up by the remain side so again we was told. The information available at the time was provided by both sides and as said the remain side repeatedly told us about the consequences. What specific information do you think was missing? Since the referendum and with more knowledge we had last year's election and the result was to continue No deal was never mentioned. The chancellor could have come out beforehand and said jobs will definitely be lost We could have been told the turkey story was nonsense. We could have been told that the process of leaving would be a long arduous road which would leave the country in 2. We could have been told we couldn't do individual trade deals and we could have been told the £350m was total bullshit. We could have asked what "taking back control 'actually means We could have been told about the EU's desire to close tax loopholes. Do you think we were more informed before the referendum than we are now?" But we were told those things repeatedly by the remain camp. Massive recession as soon as a leave vote happened, millions of jobs going abroad as companies relocate to name a few. These things were said by the then PM and chancellor. Why do you say those things never happened when they clearly did. It was dubbed project fear by the leave side or are you denying that too? | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it? The brexit referendum was built on a tissue of lies and is going to make us much poorer as a country. We should have been told the possible consequences 1st and then given the option of staying or leaving.If that would have happened,and we would have voted out,every single person would have accepted it. Instead we were given a choice with no information resulting in people voting for different reasons. It was a total cluster fuck. I seem to remember we was told the consequences of leaving on a daily basis during the referendum. Instant recession, punishment budgets ect ect. Even a pamphlet to every household. After all that the vote was leave. Since then we had 2 elections. First both Labour and conservative promised to honour the vote and got 80 percent of the vote. Then last year another GE where Tory was clear leave, Labour second referendum and lib dems overturn. Do you seriously want to compare the lies told by the 2 sides. If we left we were told we would economically suffer. Something the home secretary confirmed a few months ago. And something which is hardly a distant possibility. Earlier you claimed we was not told of the consequences which is untrue. I was saying we were told. I did not mention lies told by either side did I ? I can't see where I said anything about consequences. No one knows the consequences which was why it was such a monumentally stupid fucking thing to do. Look further up this thread (also in light grey on this post) You wrote "we should have been told the possible consequences first then given the option to leave or stay" well we was told the consequences as I pointed out earlier and you confirmed. How can you claim we was not told when we clearly was and still voted to leave So possible consequences then? On one side We were told the eu would be begging us not to leave. We were told other countries would be begging to do trade deals by us.The easiest trade deal know history. The bus,Turkey,20 Years of bullshit from the mail and the rag.david Davis and his individual trade deals.All lies. And on the other we were trade we would suffer economically if we left. Bit of a disparity no? Tbh though 'im not one of those people who go with "the people were lied to 'argument. People voted to leave. Let them live with the consequences. Your missing the point but at the same time proving mine. You said and then later tried to deny that we was not told of the consequences. That is clearly untrue. I did not mention claims made by the leave side did I? I did point out that remain told us daily of the consequences which I would fully expect them to. Trying to deny that happened seems very strange Ok I get you. I said we should have been told the possible consequences and you said we were? I agree to a point but we were also fed the lies I mentioned above..and no deal was never brought up as an option so I suppose it depends who you believed. My point was a simple one however.We should have been provided with all the information before the referendum took place. Not afterwards. Exactly you confirmed it then tried to deny it. As said before I did not mention the lies told by both sides. No deal was brought up by the remain side so again we was told. The information available at the time was provided by both sides and as said the remain side repeatedly told us about the consequences. What specific information do you think was missing? Since the referendum and with more knowledge we had last year's election and the result was to continue No deal was never mentioned. The chancellor could have come out beforehand and said jobs will definitely be lost We could have been told the turkey story was nonsense. We could have been told that the process of leaving would be a long arduous road which would leave the country in 2. We could have been told we couldn't do individual trade deals and we could have been told the £350m was total bullshit. We could have asked what "taking back control 'actually means We could have been told about the EU's desire to close tax loopholes. Do you think we were more informed before the referendum than we are now? But we were told those things repeatedly by the remain camp. Massive recession as soon as a leave vote happened, millions of jobs going abroad as companies relocate to name a few. These things were said by the then PM and chancellor. Why do you say those things never happened when they clearly did. It was dubbed project fear by the leave side or are you denying that too?" What about project golden wank with all that dosh for the nhs, the easiest deal in history, the EU collapsing once we’ve left, the French desperate to sell their wine, other countries queing for a deal and I could add fifty other things? | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it? The brexit referendum was built on a tissue of lies and is going to make us much poorer as a country. We should have been told the possible consequences 1st and then given the option of staying or leaving.If that would have happened,and we would have voted out,every single person would have accepted it. Instead we were given a choice with no information resulting in people voting for different reasons. It was a total cluster fuck. I seem to remember we was told the consequences of leaving on a daily basis during the referendum. Instant recession, punishment budgets ect ect. Even a pamphlet to every household. After all that the vote was leave. Since then we had 2 elections. First both Labour and conservative promised to honour the vote and got 80 percent of the vote. Then last year another GE where Tory was clear leave, Labour second referendum and lib dems overturn. Do you seriously want to compare the lies told by the 2 sides. If we left we were told we would economically suffer. Something the home secretary confirmed a few months ago. And something which is hardly a distant possibility. Earlier you claimed we was not told of the consequences which is untrue. I was saying we were told. I did not mention lies told by either side did I ? I can't see where I said anything about consequences. No one knows the consequences which was why it was such a monumentally stupid fucking thing to do. Look further up this thread (also in light grey on this post) You wrote "we should have been told the possible consequences first then given the option to leave or stay" well we was told the consequences as I pointed out earlier and you confirmed. How can you claim we was not told when we clearly was and still voted to leave So possible consequences then? On one side We were told the eu would be begging us not to leave. We were told other countries would be begging to do trade deals by us.The easiest trade deal know history. The bus,Turkey,20 Years of bullshit from the mail and the rag.david Davis and his individual trade deals.All lies. And on the other we were trade we would suffer economically if we left. Bit of a disparity no? Tbh though 'im not one of those people who go with "the people were lied to 'argument. People voted to leave. Let them live with the consequences. Your missing the point but at the same time proving mine. You said and then later tried to deny that we was not told of the consequences. That is clearly untrue. I did not mention claims made by the leave side did I? I did point out that remain told us daily of the consequences which I would fully expect them to. Trying to deny that happened seems very strange Ok I get you. I said we should have been told the possible consequences and you said we were? I agree to a point but we were also fed the lies I mentioned above..and no deal was never brought up as an option so I suppose it depends who you believed. My point was a simple one however.We should have been provided with all the information before the referendum took place. Not afterwards. Exactly you confirmed it then tried to deny it. As said before I did not mention the lies told by both sides. No deal was brought up by the remain side so again we was told. The information available at the time was provided by both sides and as said the remain side repeatedly told us about the consequences. What specific information do you think was missing? Since the referendum and with more knowledge we had last year's election and the result was to continue No deal was never mentioned. The chancellor could have come out beforehand and said jobs will definitely be lost We could have been told the turkey story was nonsense. We could have been told that the process of leaving would be a long arduous road which would leave the country in 2. We could have been told we couldn't do individual trade deals and we could have been told the £350m was total bullshit. We could have asked what "taking back control 'actually means We could have been told about the EU's desire to close tax loopholes. Do you think we were more informed before the referendum than we are now? But we were told those things repeatedly by the remain camp. Massive recession as soon as a leave vote happened, millions of jobs going abroad as companies relocate to name a few. These things were said by the then PM and chancellor. Why do you say those things never happened when they clearly did. It was dubbed project fear by the leave side or are you denying that too?" Denying what exactly? Are we more well informed now or in 2017? | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it? The brexit referendum was built on a tissue of lies and is going to make us much poorer as a country. We should have been told the possible consequences 1st and then given the option of staying or leaving.If that would have happened,and we would have voted out,every single person would have accepted it. Instead we were given a choice with no information resulting in people voting for different reasons. It was a total cluster fuck. I seem to remember we was told the consequences of leaving on a daily basis during the referendum. Instant recession, punishment budgets ect ect. Even a pamphlet to every household. After all that the vote was leave. Since then we had 2 elections. First both Labour and conservative promised to honour the vote and got 80 percent of the vote. Then last year another GE where Tory was clear leave, Labour second referendum and lib dems overturn. Do you seriously want to compare the lies told by the 2 sides. If we left we were told we would economically suffer. Something the home secretary confirmed a few months ago. And something which is hardly a distant possibility. Earlier you claimed we was not told of the consequences which is untrue. I was saying we were told. I did not mention lies told by either side did I ? I can't see where I said anything about consequences. No one knows the consequences which was why it was such a monumentally stupid fucking thing to do. Look further up this thread (also in light grey on this post) You wrote "we should have been told the possible consequences first then given the option to leave or stay" well we was told the consequences as I pointed out earlier and you confirmed. How can you claim we was not told when we clearly was and still voted to leave So possible consequences then? On one side We were told the eu would be begging us not to leave. We were told other countries would be begging to do trade deals by us.The easiest trade deal know history. The bus,Turkey,20 Years of bullshit from the mail and the rag.david Davis and his individual trade deals.All lies. And on the other we were trade we would suffer economically if we left. Bit of a disparity no? Tbh though 'im not one of those people who go with "the people were lied to 'argument. People voted to leave. Let them live with the consequences. Your missing the point but at the same time proving mine. You said and then later tried to deny that we was not told of the consequences. That is clearly untrue. I did not mention claims made by the leave side did I? I did point out that remain told us daily of the consequences which I would fully expect them to. Trying to deny that happened seems very strange Ok I get you. I said we should have been told the possible consequences and you said we were? I agree to a point but we were also fed the lies I mentioned above..and no deal was never brought up as an option so I suppose it depends who you believed. My point was a simple one however.We should have been provided with all the information before the referendum took place. Not afterwards. Exactly you confirmed it then tried to deny it. As said before I did not mention the lies told by both sides. No deal was brought up by the remain side so again we was told. The information available at the time was provided by both sides and as said the remain side repeatedly told us about the consequences. What specific information do you think was missing? Since the referendum and with more knowledge we had last year's election and the result was to continue No deal was never mentioned. The chancellor could have come out beforehand and said jobs will definitely be lost We could have been told the turkey story was nonsense. We could have been told that the process of leaving would be a long arduous road which would leave the country in 2. We could have been told we couldn't do individual trade deals and we could have been told the £350m was total bullshit. We could have asked what "taking back control 'actually means We could have been told about the EU's desire to close tax loopholes. Do you think we were more informed before the referendum than we are now? But we were told those things repeatedly by the remain camp. Massive recession as soon as a leave vote happened, millions of jobs going abroad as companies relocate to name a few. These things were said by the then PM and chancellor. Why do you say those things never happened when they clearly did. It was dubbed project fear by the leave side or are you denying that too?" I notice you never mentioned mo deal Like I said it came down to who you believed..but you are right The remain campaigned was labelled as project fear. | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it? The brexit referendum was built on a tissue of lies and is going to make us much poorer as a country. We should have been told the possible consequences 1st and then given the option of staying or leaving.If that would have happened,and we would have voted out,every single person would have accepted it. Instead we were given a choice with no information resulting in people voting for different reasons. It was a total cluster fuck. I seem to remember we was told the consequences of leaving on a daily basis during the referendum. Instant recession, punishment budgets ect ect. Even a pamphlet to every household. After all that the vote was leave. Since then we had 2 elections. First both Labour and conservative promised to honour the vote and got 80 percent of the vote. Then last year another GE where Tory was clear leave, Labour second referendum and lib dems overturn. Do you seriously want to compare the lies told by the 2 sides. If we left we were told we would economically suffer. Something the home secretary confirmed a few months ago. And something which is hardly a distant possibility. Earlier you claimed we was not told of the consequences which is untrue. I was saying we were told. I did not mention lies told by either side did I ? I can't see where I said anything about consequences. No one knows the consequences which was why it was such a monumentally stupid fucking thing to do. Look further up this thread (also in light grey on this post) You wrote "we should have been told the possible consequences first then given the option to leave or stay" well we was told the consequences as I pointed out earlier and you confirmed. How can you claim we was not told when we clearly was and still voted to leave So possible consequences then? On one side We were told the eu would be begging us not to leave. We were told other countries would be begging to do trade deals by us.The easiest trade deal know history. The bus,Turkey,20 Years of bullshit from the mail and the rag.david Davis and his individual trade deals.All lies. And on the other we were trade we would suffer economically if we left. Bit of a disparity no? Tbh though 'im not one of those people who go with "the people were lied to 'argument. People voted to leave. Let them live with the consequences. Your missing the point but at the same time proving mine. You said and then later tried to deny that we was not told of the consequences. That is clearly untrue. I did not mention claims made by the leave side did I? I did point out that remain told us daily of the consequences which I would fully expect them to. Trying to deny that happened seems very strange Ok I get you. I said we should have been told the possible consequences and you said we were? I agree to a point but we were also fed the lies I mentioned above..and no deal was never brought up as an option so I suppose it depends who you believed. My point was a simple one however.We should have been provided with all the information before the referendum took place. Not afterwards. Exactly you confirmed it then tried to deny it. As said before I did not mention the lies told by both sides. No deal was brought up by the remain side so again we was told. The information available at the time was provided by both sides and as said the remain side repeatedly told us about the consequences. What specific information do you think was missing? Since the referendum and with more knowledge we had last year's election and the result was to continue No deal was never mentioned. The chancellor could have come out beforehand and said jobs will definitely be lost We could have been told the turkey story was nonsense. We could have been told that the process of leaving would be a long arduous road which would leave the country in 2. We could have been told we couldn't do individual trade deals and we could have been told the £350m was total bullshit. We could have asked what "taking back control 'actually means We could have been told about the EU's desire to close tax loopholes. Do you think we were more informed before the referendum than we are now? But we were told those things repeatedly by the remain camp. Massive recession as soon as a leave vote happened, millions of jobs going abroad as companies relocate to name a few. These things were said by the then PM and chancellor. Why do you say those things never happened when they clearly did. It was dubbed project fear by the leave side or are you denying that too? What about project golden wank with all that dosh for the nhs, the easiest deal in history, the EU collapsing once we’ve left, the French desperate to sell their wine, other countries queing for a deal and I could add fifty other things? " Sorry I was debating with the other poster and did not mention about the claims made by leave. He claims the remain side did not speak about the claimed disadvantages of leaving. I seem to remember those clearly being set out by the PM and chancellor at the time amongst others. | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it? The brexit referendum was built on a tissue of lies and is going to make us much poorer as a country. We should have been told the possible consequences 1st and then given the option of staying or leaving.If that would have happened,and we would have voted out,every single person would have accepted it. Instead we were given a choice with no information resulting in people voting for different reasons. It was a total cluster fuck. I seem to remember we was told the consequences of leaving on a daily basis during the referendum. Instant recession, punishment budgets ect ect. Even a pamphlet to every household. After all that the vote was leave. Since then we had 2 elections. First both Labour and conservative promised to honour the vote and got 80 percent of the vote. Then last year another GE where Tory was clear leave, Labour second referendum and lib dems overturn. Do you seriously want to compare the lies told by the 2 sides. If we left we were told we would economically suffer. Something the home secretary confirmed a few months ago. And something which is hardly a distant possibility. Earlier you claimed we was not told of the consequences which is untrue. I was saying we were told. I did not mention lies told by either side did I ? I can't see where I said anything about consequences. No one knows the consequences which was why it was such a monumentally stupid fucking thing to do. Look further up this thread (also in light grey on this post) You wrote "we should have been told the possible consequences first then given the option to leave or stay" well we was told the consequences as I pointed out earlier and you confirmed. How can you claim we was not told when we clearly was and still voted to leave So possible consequences then? On one side We were told the eu would be begging us not to leave. We were told other countries would be begging to do trade deals by us.The easiest trade deal know history. The bus,Turkey,20 Years of bullshit from the mail and the rag.david Davis and his individual trade deals.All lies. And on the other we were trade we would suffer economically if we left. Bit of a disparity no? Tbh though 'im not one of those people who go with "the people were lied to 'argument. People voted to leave. Let them live with the consequences. Your missing the point but at the same time proving mine. You said and then later tried to deny that we was not told of the consequences. That is clearly untrue. I did not mention claims made by the leave side did I? I did point out that remain told us daily of the consequences which I would fully expect them to. Trying to deny that happened seems very strange Ok I get you. I said we should have been told the possible consequences and you said we were? I agree to a point but we were also fed the lies I mentioned above..and no deal was never brought up as an option so I suppose it depends who you believed. My point was a simple one however.We should have been provided with all the information before the referendum took place. Not afterwards. Exactly you confirmed it then tried to deny it. As said before I did not mention the lies told by both sides. No deal was brought up by the remain side so again we was told. The information available at the time was provided by both sides and as said the remain side repeatedly told us about the consequences. What specific information do you think was missing? Since the referendum and with more knowledge we had last year's election and the result was to continue No deal was never mentioned. The chancellor could have come out beforehand and said jobs will definitely be lost We could have been told the turkey story was nonsense. We could have been told that the process of leaving would be a long arduous road which would leave the country in 2. We could have been told we couldn't do individual trade deals and we could have been told the £350m was total bullshit. We could have asked what "taking back control 'actually means We could have been told about the EU's desire to close tax loopholes. Do you think we were more informed before the referendum than we are now? But we were told those things repeatedly by the remain camp. Massive recession as soon as a leave vote happened, millions of jobs going abroad as companies relocate to name a few. These things were said by the then PM and chancellor. Why do you say those things never happened when they clearly did. It was dubbed project fear by the leave side or are you denying that too? What about project golden wank with all that dosh for the nhs, the easiest deal in history, the EU collapsing once we’ve left, the French desperate to sell their wine, other countries queing for a deal and I could add fifty other things? Sorry I was debating with the other poster and did not mention about the claims made by leave. He claims the remain side did not speak about the claimed disadvantages of leaving. I seem to remember those clearly being set out by the PM and chancellor at the time amongst others. " My original point was that the leave campaign told more lies than remain | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it? The brexit referendum was built on a tissue of lies and is going to make us much poorer as a country. We should have been told the possible consequences 1st and then given the option of staying or leaving.If that would have happened,and we would have voted out,every single person would have accepted it. Instead we were given a choice with no information resulting in people voting for different reasons. It was a total cluster fuck. I seem to remember we was told the consequences of leaving on a daily basis during the referendum. Instant recession, punishment budgets ect ect. Even a pamphlet to every household. After all that the vote was leave. Since then we had 2 elections. First both Labour and conservative promised to honour the vote and got 80 percent of the vote. Then last year another GE where Tory was clear leave, Labour second referendum and lib dems overturn. Do you seriously want to compare the lies told by the 2 sides. If we left we were told we would economically suffer. Something the home secretary confirmed a few months ago. And something which is hardly a distant possibility. Earlier you claimed we was not told of the consequences which is untrue. I was saying we were told. I did not mention lies told by either side did I ? I can't see where I said anything about consequences. No one knows the consequences which was why it was such a monumentally stupid fucking thing to do. Look further up this thread (also in light grey on this post) You wrote "we should have been told the possible consequences first then given the option to leave or stay" well we was told the consequences as I pointed out earlier and you confirmed. How can you claim we was not told when we clearly was and still voted to leave So possible consequences then? On one side We were told the eu would be begging us not to leave. We were told other countries would be begging to do trade deals by us.The easiest trade deal know history. The bus,Turkey,20 Years of bullshit from the mail and the rag.david Davis and his individual trade deals.All lies. And on the other we were trade we would suffer economically if we left. Bit of a disparity no? Tbh though 'im not one of those people who go with "the people were lied to 'argument. People voted to leave. Let them live with the consequences. Your missing the point but at the same time proving mine. You said and then later tried to deny that we was not told of the consequences. That is clearly untrue. I did not mention claims made by the leave side did I? I did point out that remain told us daily of the consequences which I would fully expect them to. Trying to deny that happened seems very strange Ok I get you. I said we should have been told the possible consequences and you said we were? I agree to a point but we were also fed the lies I mentioned above..and no deal was never brought up as an option so I suppose it depends who you believed. My point was a simple one however.We should have been provided with all the information before the referendum took place. Not afterwards. Exactly you confirmed it then tried to deny it. As said before I did not mention the lies told by both sides. No deal was brought up by the remain side so again we was told. The information available at the time was provided by both sides and as said the remain side repeatedly told us about the consequences. What specific information do you think was missing? Since the referendum and with more knowledge we had last year's election and the result was to continue No deal was never mentioned. The chancellor could have come out beforehand and said jobs will definitely be lost We could have been told the turkey story was nonsense. We could have been told that the process of leaving would be a long arduous road which would leave the country in 2. We could have been told we couldn't do individual trade deals and we could have been told the £350m was total bullshit. We could have asked what "taking back control 'actually means We could have been told about the EU's desire to close tax loopholes. Do you think we were more informed before the referendum than we are now? But we were told those things repeatedly by the remain camp. Massive recession as soon as a leave vote happened, millions of jobs going abroad as companies relocate to name a few. These things were said by the then PM and chancellor. Why do you say those things never happened when they clearly did. It was dubbed project fear by the leave side or are you denying that too? I notice you never mentioned mo deal Like I said it came down to who you believed..but you are right The remain campaigned was labelled as project fear." All those things you mentioned were spoke about by the leave camp repeatedly. How can you now claim they never happened? 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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it? The brexit referendum was built on a tissue of lies and is going to make us much poorer as a country. We should have been told the possible consequences 1st and then given the option of staying or leaving.If that would have happened,and we would have voted out,every single person would have accepted it. Instead we were given a choice with no information resulting in people voting for different reasons. It was a total cluster fuck. I seem to remember we was told the consequences of leaving on a daily basis during the referendum. Instant recession, punishment budgets ect ect. Even a pamphlet to every household. After all that the vote was leave. Since then we had 2 elections. First both Labour and conservative promised to honour the vote and got 80 percent of the vote. Then last year another GE where Tory was clear leave, Labour second referendum and lib dems overturn. Do you seriously want to compare the lies told by the 2 sides. If we left we were told we would economically suffer. Something the home secretary confirmed a few months ago. And something which is hardly a distant possibility. Earlier you claimed we was not told of the consequences which is untrue. I was saying we were told. I did not mention lies told by either side did I ? I can't see where I said anything about consequences. No one knows the consequences which was why it was such a monumentally stupid fucking thing to do. Look further up this thread (also in light grey on this post) You wrote "we should have been told the possible consequences first then given the option to leave or stay" well we was told the consequences as I pointed out earlier and you confirmed. How can you claim we was not told when we clearly was and still voted to leave So possible consequences then? On one side We were told the eu would be begging us not to leave. We were told other countries would be begging to do trade deals by us.The easiest trade deal know history. The bus,Turkey,20 Years of bullshit from the mail and the rag.david Davis and his individual trade deals.All lies. And on the other we were trade we would suffer economically if we left. Bit of a disparity no? Tbh though 'im not one of those people who go with "the people were lied to 'argument. People voted to leave. Let them live with the consequences. Your missing the point but at the same time proving mine. You said and then later tried to deny that we was not told of the consequences. That is clearly untrue. I did not mention claims made by the leave side did I? I did point out that remain told us daily of the consequences which I would fully expect them to. Trying to deny that happened seems very strange Ok I get you. I said we should have been told the possible consequences and you said we were? I agree to a point but we were also fed the lies I mentioned above..and no deal was never brought up as an option so I suppose it depends who you believed. My point was a simple one however.We should have been provided with all the information before the referendum took place. Not afterwards. Exactly you confirmed it then tried to deny it. As said before I did not mention the lies told by both sides. No deal was brought up by the remain side so again we was told. The information available at the time was provided by both sides and as said the remain side repeatedly told us about the consequences. What specific information do you think was missing? Since the referendum and with more knowledge we had last year's election and the result was to continue No deal was never mentioned. The chancellor could have come out beforehand and said jobs will definitely be lost We could have been told the turkey story was nonsense. We could have been told that the process of leaving would be a long arduous road which would leave the country in 2. We could have been told we couldn't do individual trade deals and we could have been told the £350m was total bullshit. We could have asked what "taking back control 'actually means We could have been told about the EU's desire to close tax loopholes. Do you think we were more informed before the referendum than we are now? But we were told those things repeatedly by the remain camp. Massive recession as soon as a leave vote happened, millions of jobs going abroad as companies relocate to name a few. These things were said by the then PM and chancellor. Why do you say those things never happened when they clearly did. It was dubbed project fear by the leave side or are you denying that too? What about project golden wank with all that dosh for the nhs, the easiest deal in history, the EU collapsing once we’ve left, the French desperate to sell their wine, other countries queing for a deal and I could add fifty other things? Sorry I was debating with the other poster and did not mention about the claims made by leave. He claims the remain side did not speak about the claimed disadvantages of leaving. I seem to remember those clearly being set out by the PM and chancellor at the time amongst others. My original point was that the leave campaign told more lies than remain " You actually wrote we should have been told of the possible consequences. I'm saying we were and history supports me | |||
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"And also the pound would collapse. Another lie obviously as a holiday on the continent costs you now 20% more than on the day of the referendum. What’s not to like??? " So you agree we were told of the consequences then. Thank you | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it? The brexit referendum was built on a tissue of lies and is going to make us much poorer as a country. We should have been told the possible consequences 1st and then given the option of staying or leaving.If that would have happened,and we would have voted out,every single person would have accepted it. Instead we were given a choice with no information resulting in people voting for different reasons. It was a total cluster fuck. I seem to remember we was told the consequences of leaving on a daily basis during the referendum. Instant recession, punishment budgets ect ect. Even a pamphlet to every household. After all that the vote was leave. Since then we had 2 elections. First both Labour and conservative promised to honour the vote and got 80 percent of the vote. Then last year another GE where Tory was clear leave, Labour second referendum and lib dems overturn. Do you seriously want to compare the lies told by the 2 sides. If we left we were told we would economically suffer. Something the home secretary confirmed a few months ago. And something which is hardly a distant possibility. Earlier you claimed we was not told of the consequences which is untrue. I was saying we were told. I did not mention lies told by either side did I ? I can't see where I said anything about consequences. No one knows the consequences which was why it was such a monumentally stupid fucking thing to do. Look further up this thread (also in light grey on this post) You wrote "we should have been told the possible consequences first then given the option to leave or stay" well we was told the consequences as I pointed out earlier and you confirmed. How can you claim we was not told when we clearly was and still voted to leave So possible consequences then? On one side We were told the eu would be begging us not to leave. We were told other countries would be begging to do trade deals by us.The easiest trade deal know history. The bus,Turkey,20 Years of bullshit from the mail and the rag.david Davis and his individual trade deals.All lies. And on the other we were trade we would suffer economically if we left. Bit of a disparity no? Tbh though 'im not one of those people who go with "the people were lied to 'argument. People voted to leave. Let them live with the consequences. Your missing the point but at the same time proving mine. You said and then later tried to deny that we was not told of the consequences. That is clearly untrue. I did not mention claims made by the leave side did I? I did point out that remain told us daily of the consequences which I would fully expect them to. Trying to deny that happened seems very strange Ok I get you. I said we should have been told the possible consequences and you said we were? I agree to a point but we were also fed the lies I mentioned above..and no deal was never brought up as an option so I suppose it depends who you believed. My point was a simple one however.We should have been provided with all the information before the referendum took place. Not afterwards. Exactly you confirmed it then tried to deny it. As said before I did not mention the lies told by both sides. No deal was brought up by the remain side so again we was told. The information available at the time was provided by both sides and as said the remain side repeatedly told us about the consequences. What specific information do you think was missing? Since the referendum and with more knowledge we had last year's election and the result was to continue No deal was never mentioned. The chancellor could have come out beforehand and said jobs will definitely be lost We could have been told the turkey story was nonsense. We could have been told that the process of leaving would be a long arduous road which would leave the country in 2. We could have been told we couldn't do individual trade deals and we could have been told the £350m was total bullshit. We could have asked what "taking back control 'actually means We could have been told about the EU's desire to close tax loopholes. Do you think we were more informed before the referendum than we are now? But we were told those things repeatedly by the remain camp. Massive recession as soon as a leave vote happened, millions of jobs going abroad as companies relocate to name a few. These things were said by the then PM and chancellor. Why do you say those things never happened when they clearly did. It was dubbed project fear by the leave side or are you denying that too? I notice you never mentioned mo deal Like I said it came down to who you believed..but you are right The remain campaigned was labelled as project fear. All those things you mentioned were spoke about by the leave camp repeatedly. How can you now claim they never happened? You acknowledge project fear well that was all about the claims you said never happened. You can't have it both ways. " I'll be honest my memory of the remain campaign is they were not very vocal however after doing some reading both cameron and Osbourne did warn us of the economic consequences. I'll happily take that back. So I'll ask a 3rd time.Are we more well informed now or in 2017? | |||
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"And also the pound would collapse. Another lie obviously as a holiday on the continent costs you now 20% more than on the day of the referendum. What’s not to like??? " "LONDON (Reuters) - The Bank of England took steps on Tuesday to ensure British banks keep lending as the financial consequences of the country's decision to leave the European Union began to materialize, especially in commercial real estate. The BoE, which is trying to cushion the economy from the June 23 referendum result, said it would lower the amount of capital banks must hold in reserve, freeing up an extra 150 billion pounds ($196 billion) for lending". https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN0ZL0UM | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it? The brexit referendum was built on a tissue of lies and is going to make us much poorer as a country. We should have been told the possible consequences 1st and then given the option of staying or leaving.If that would have happened,and we would have voted out,every single person would have accepted it. Instead we were given a choice with no information resulting in people voting for different reasons. It was a total cluster fuck. I seem to remember we was told the consequences of leaving on a daily basis during the referendum. Instant recession, punishment budgets ect ect. Even a pamphlet to every household. After all that the vote was leave. Since then we had 2 elections. First both Labour and conservative promised to honour the vote and got 80 percent of the vote. Then last year another GE where Tory was clear leave, Labour second referendum and lib dems overturn. Do you seriously want to compare the lies told by the 2 sides. If we left we were told we would economically suffer. Something the home secretary confirmed a few months ago. And something which is hardly a distant possibility. Earlier you claimed we was not told of the consequences which is untrue. I was saying we were told. I did not mention lies told by either side did I ? I can't see where I said anything about consequences. No one knows the consequences which was why it was such a monumentally stupid fucking thing to do. Look further up this thread (also in light grey on this post) You wrote "we should have been told the possible consequences first then given the option to leave or stay" well we was told the consequences as I pointed out earlier and you confirmed. How can you claim we was not told when we clearly was and still voted to leave So possible consequences then? On one side We were told the eu would be begging us not to leave. We were told other countries would be begging to do trade deals by us.The easiest trade deal know history. The bus,Turkey,20 Years of bullshit from the mail and the rag.david Davis and his individual trade deals.All lies. And on the other we were trade we would suffer economically if we left. Bit of a disparity no? Tbh though 'im not one of those people who go with "the people were lied to 'argument. People voted to leave. Let them live with the consequences. Your missing the point but at the same time proving mine. You said and then later tried to deny that we was not told of the consequences. That is clearly untrue. I did not mention claims made by the leave side did I? I did point out that remain told us daily of the consequences which I would fully expect them to. Trying to deny that happened seems very strange Ok I get you. I said we should have been told the possible consequences and you said we were? I agree to a point but we were also fed the lies I mentioned above..and no deal was never brought up as an option so I suppose it depends who you believed. My point was a simple one however.We should have been provided with all the information before the referendum took place. Not afterwards. Exactly you confirmed it then tried to deny it. As said before I did not mention the lies told by both sides. No deal was brought up by the remain side so again we was told. The information available at the time was provided by both sides and as said the remain side repeatedly told us about the consequences. What specific information do you think was missing? Since the referendum and with more knowledge we had last year's election and the result was to continue No deal was never mentioned. The chancellor could have come out beforehand and said jobs will definitely be lost We could have been told the turkey story was nonsense. We could have been told that the process of leaving would be a long arduous road which would leave the country in 2. We could have been told we couldn't do individual trade deals and we could have been told the £350m was total bullshit. We could have asked what "taking back control 'actually means We could have been told about the EU's desire to close tax loopholes. Do you think we were more informed before the referendum than we are now? But we were told those things repeatedly by the remain camp. Massive recession as soon as a leave vote happened, millions of jobs going abroad as companies relocate to name a few. These things were said by the then PM and chancellor. Why do you say those things never happened when they clearly did. It was dubbed project fear by the leave side or are you denying that too? I notice you never mentioned mo deal Like I said it came down to who you believed..but you are right The remain campaigned was labelled as project fear. All those things you mentioned were spoke about by the leave camp repeatedly. How can you now claim they never happened? You acknowledge project fear well that was all about the claims you said never happened. You can't have it both ways. I'll be honest my memory of the remain campaign is they were not very vocal however after doing some reading both cameron and Osbourne did warn us of the economic consequences. I'll happily take that back. So I'll ask a 3rd time.Are we more well informed now or in 2017?" Thank you for the admission. So yes I think certain things have been shown up since 2017. However as mentioned with all the new information we had a GE where the 3 main parties clearly set out their plan for brexit. Tory was so clearly go ahead with it, Labour favoured a second ref and the lib dems wanted to cancel it. So everyone could choose once again and had a party to vote for that agreed with them. The result was a Tory win | |||
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"And also the pound would collapse. Another lie obviously as a holiday on the continent costs you now 20% more than on the day of the referendum. What’s not to like??? So you agree we were told of the consequences then. Thank you" No, we were not told that all the Brits who live in France and Spain would lose 20% of their pensions overnight. Who gives a toss anyway as these traitors left the world beating UK. | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it? The brexit referendum was built on a tissue of lies and is going to make us much poorer as a country. We should have been told the possible consequences 1st and then given the option of staying or leaving.If that would have happened,and we would have voted out,every single person would have accepted it. Instead we were given a choice with no information resulting in people voting for different reasons. It was a total cluster fuck. I seem to remember we was told the consequences of leaving on a daily basis during the referendum. Instant recession, punishment budgets ect ect. Even a pamphlet to every household. After all that the vote was leave. Since then we had 2 elections. First both Labour and conservative promised to honour the vote and got 80 percent of the vote. Then last year another GE where Tory was clear leave, Labour second referendum and lib dems overturn. Do you seriously want to compare the lies told by the 2 sides. If we left we were told we would economically suffer. Something the home secretary confirmed a few months ago. And something which is hardly a distant possibility. Earlier you claimed we was not told of the consequences which is untrue. I was saying we were told. I did not mention lies told by either side did I ? I can't see where I said anything about consequences. No one knows the consequences which was why it was such a monumentally stupid fucking thing to do. Look further up this thread (also in light grey on this post) You wrote "we should have been told the possible consequences first then given the option to leave or stay" well we was told the consequences as I pointed out earlier and you confirmed. How can you claim we was not told when we clearly was and still voted to leave So possible consequences then? On one side We were told the eu would be begging us not to leave. We were told other countries would be begging to do trade deals by us.The easiest trade deal know history. The bus,Turkey,20 Years of bullshit from the mail and the rag.david Davis and his individual trade deals.All lies. And on the other we were trade we would suffer economically if we left. Bit of a disparity no? Tbh though 'im not one of those people who go with "the people were lied to 'argument. People voted to leave. Let them live with the consequences. Your missing the point but at the same time proving mine. You said and then later tried to deny that we was not told of the consequences. That is clearly untrue. I did not mention claims made by the leave side did I? I did point out that remain told us daily of the consequences which I would fully expect them to. Trying to deny that happened seems very strange Ok I get you. I said we should have been told the possible consequences and you said we were? I agree to a point but we were also fed the lies I mentioned above..and no deal was never brought up as an option so I suppose it depends who you believed. My point was a simple one however.We should have been provided with all the information before the referendum took place. Not afterwards. Exactly you confirmed it then tried to deny it. As said before I did not mention the lies told by both sides. No deal was brought up by the remain side so again we was told. The information available at the time was provided by both sides and as said the remain side repeatedly told us about the consequences. What specific information do you think was missing? Since the referendum and with more knowledge we had last year's election and the result was to continue No deal was never mentioned. The chancellor could have come out beforehand and said jobs will definitely be lost We could have been told the turkey story was nonsense. We could have been told that the process of leaving would be a long arduous road which would leave the country in 2. We could have been told we couldn't do individual trade deals and we could have been told the £350m was total bullshit. We could have asked what "taking back control 'actually means We could have been told about the EU's desire to close tax loopholes. Do you think we were more informed before the referendum than we are now? But we were told those things repeatedly by the remain camp. Massive recession as soon as a leave vote happened, millions of jobs going abroad as companies relocate to name a few. These things were said by the then PM and chancellor. Why do you say those things never happened when they clearly did. It was dubbed project fear by the leave side or are you denying that too? I notice you never mentioned mo deal Like I said it came down to who you believed..but you are right The remain campaigned was labelled as project fear. All those things you mentioned were spoke about by the leave camp repeatedly. How can you now claim they never happened? You acknowledge project fear well that was all about the claims you said never happened. You can't have it both ways. I'll be honest my memory of the remain campaign is they were not very vocal however after doing some reading both cameron and Osbourne did warn us of the economic consequences. I'll happily take that back. So I'll ask a 3rd time.Are we more well informed now or in 2017? Thank you for the admission. So yes I think certain things have been shown up since 2017. However as mentioned with all the new information we had a GE where the 3 main parties clearly set out their plan for brexit. Tory was so clearly go ahead with it, Labour favoured a second ref and the lib dems wanted to cancel it. So everyone could choose once again and had a party to vote for that agreed with them. The result was a Tory win" What do you think would have happened with a 2md referendum? | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it? The brexit referendum was built on a tissue of lies and is going to make us much poorer as a country. We should have been told the possible consequences 1st and then given the option of staying or leaving.If that would have happened,and we would have voted out,every single person would have accepted it. Instead we were given a choice with no information resulting in people voting for different reasons. It was a total cluster fuck. I seem to remember we was told the consequences of leaving on a daily basis during the referendum. Instant recession, punishment budgets ect ect. Even a pamphlet to every household. After all that the vote was leave. Since then we had 2 elections. First both Labour and conservative promised to honour the vote and got 80 percent of the vote. Then last year another GE where Tory was clear leave, Labour second referendum and lib dems overturn. Do you seriously want to compare the lies told by the 2 sides. If we left we were told we would economically suffer. Something the home secretary confirmed a few months ago. And something which is hardly a distant possibility. Earlier you claimed we was not told of the consequences which is untrue. I was saying we were told. I did not mention lies told by either side did I ? I can't see where I said anything about consequences. No one knows the consequences which was why it was such a monumentally stupid fucking thing to do. Look further up this thread (also in light grey on this post) You wrote "we should have been told the possible consequences first then given the option to leave or stay" well we was told the consequences as I pointed out earlier and you confirmed. How can you claim we was not told when we clearly was and still voted to leave So possible consequences then? On one side We were told the eu would be begging us not to leave. We were told other countries would be begging to do trade deals by us.The easiest trade deal know history. The bus,Turkey,20 Years of bullshit from the mail and the rag.david Davis and his individual trade deals.All lies. And on the other we were trade we would suffer economically if we left. Bit of a disparity no? Tbh though 'im not one of those people who go with "the people were lied to 'argument. People voted to leave. Let them live with the consequences. Your missing the point but at the same time proving mine. You said and then later tried to deny that we was not told of the consequences. That is clearly untrue. I did not mention claims made by the leave side did I? I did point out that remain told us daily of the consequences which I would fully expect them to. Trying to deny that happened seems very strange Ok I get you. I said we should have been told the possible consequences and you said we were? I agree to a point but we were also fed the lies I mentioned above..and no deal was never brought up as an option so I suppose it depends who you believed. My point was a simple one however.We should have been provided with all the information before the referendum took place. Not afterwards. Exactly you confirmed it then tried to deny it. As said before I did not mention the lies told by both sides. No deal was brought up by the remain side so again we was told. The information available at the time was provided by both sides and as said the remain side repeatedly told us about the consequences. What specific information do you think was missing? Since the referendum and with more knowledge we had last year's election and the result was to continue No deal was never mentioned. The chancellor could have come out beforehand and said jobs will definitely be lost We could have been told the turkey story was nonsense. We could have been told that the process of leaving would be a long arduous road which would leave the country in 2. We could have been told we couldn't do individual trade deals and we could have been told the £350m was total bullshit. We could have asked what "taking back control 'actually means We could have been told about the EU's desire to close tax loopholes. Do you think we were more informed before the referendum than we are now? But we were told those things repeatedly by the remain camp. Massive recession as soon as a leave vote happened, millions of jobs going abroad as companies relocate to name a few. These things were said by the then PM and chancellor. Why do you say those things never happened when they clearly did. It was dubbed project fear by the leave side or are you denying that too? I notice you never mentioned mo deal Like I said it came down to who you believed..but you are right The remain campaigned was labelled as project fear. All those things you mentioned were spoke about by the leave camp repeatedly. How can you now claim they never happened? You acknowledge project fear well that was all about the claims you said never happened. You can't have it both ways. I'll be honest my memory of the remain campaign is they were not very vocal however after doing some reading both cameron and Osbourne did warn us of the economic consequences. I'll happily take that back. So I'll ask a 3rd time.Are we more well informed now or in 2017? Thank you for the admission. So yes I think certain things have been shown up since 2017. However as mentioned with all the new information we had a GE where the 3 main parties clearly set out their plan for brexit. Tory was so clearly go ahead with it, Labour favoured a second ref and the lib dems wanted to cancel it. So everyone could choose once again and had a party to vote for that agreed with them. The result was a Tory win What do you think would have happened with a 2md referendum?" I don't know is the honest truth. 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"We’re we told about the Irish border and its conundrum before the referendum? What’s not to like about it? It’s great. Yes we were it came up quite alot" Not at all! I suggest you look at this closely. This only came up after the 23rd of June. It was not mentioned or hardly. | |||
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"Were we told about Euratom before the referendum that Brexit would affect such a small matter as the safety and security of nuclear materials? What’s not to like about this? A detail really! " Yep again it was there | |||
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"We’re we told about the Irish border and its conundrum before the referendum? What’s not to like about it? It’s great. Yes we were it came up quite alot Not at all! I suggest you look at this closely. This only came up after the 23rd of June. It was not mentioned or hardly. " It was mentioned a lot. Who responsible for mentioning it. The remain or leave side | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it? The brexit referendum was built on a tissue of lies and is going to make us much poorer as a country. We should have been told the possible consequences 1st and then given the option of staying or leaving.If that would have happened,and we would have voted out,every single person would have accepted it. Instead we were given a choice with no information resulting in people voting for different reasons. It was a total cluster fuck. I seem to remember we was told the consequences of leaving on a daily basis during the referendum. Instant recession, punishment budgets ect ect. Even a pamphlet to every household. After all that the vote was leave. Since then we had 2 elections. First both Labour and conservative promised to honour the vote and got 80 percent of the vote. Then last year another GE where Tory was clear leave, Labour second referendum and lib dems overturn. Do you seriously want to compare the lies told by the 2 sides. If we left we were told we would economically suffer. Something the home secretary confirmed a few months ago. And something which is hardly a distant possibility. Earlier you claimed we was not told of the consequences which is untrue. I was saying we were told. I did not mention lies told by either side did I ? I can't see where I said anything about consequences. No one knows the consequences which was why it was such a monumentally stupid fucking thing to do. Look further up this thread (also in light grey on this post) You wrote "we should have been told the possible consequences first then given the option to leave or stay" well we was told the consequences as I pointed out earlier and you confirmed. How can you claim we was not told when we clearly was and still voted to leave So possible consequences then? On one side We were told the eu would be begging us not to leave. We were told other countries would be begging to do trade deals by us.The easiest trade deal know history. The bus,Turkey,20 Years of bullshit from the mail and the rag.david Davis and his individual trade deals.All lies. And on the other we were trade we would suffer economically if we left. Bit of a disparity no? Tbh though 'im not one of those people who go with "the people were lied to 'argument. People voted to leave. Let them live with the consequences. Your missing the point but at the same time proving mine. You said and then later tried to deny that we was not told of the consequences. That is clearly untrue. I did not mention claims made by the leave side did I? I did point out that remain told us daily of the consequences which I would fully expect them to. Trying to deny that happened seems very strange Ok I get you. I said we should have been told the possible consequences and you said we were? I agree to a point but we were also fed the lies I mentioned above..and no deal was never brought up as an option so I suppose it depends who you believed. My point was a simple one however.We should have been provided with all the information before the referendum took place. Not afterwards. Exactly you confirmed it then tried to deny it. As said before I did not mention the lies told by both sides. No deal was brought up by the remain side so again we was told. The information available at the time was provided by both sides and as said the remain side repeatedly told us about the consequences. What specific information do you think was missing? Since the referendum and with more knowledge we had last year's election and the result was to continue No deal was never mentioned. The chancellor could have come out beforehand and said jobs will definitely be lost We could have been told the turkey story was nonsense. We could have been told that the process of leaving would be a long arduous road which would leave the country in 2. We could have been told we couldn't do individual trade deals and we could have been told the £350m was total bullshit. We could have asked what "taking back control 'actually means We could have been told about the EU's desire to close tax loopholes. Do you think we were more informed before the referendum than we are now? But we were told those things repeatedly by the remain camp. Massive recession as soon as a leave vote happened, millions of jobs going abroad as companies relocate to name a few. These things were said by the then PM and chancellor. Why do you say those things never happened when they clearly did. It was dubbed project fear by the leave side or are you denying that too? I notice you never mentioned mo deal Like I said it came down to who you believed..but you are right The remain campaigned was labelled as project fear. All those things you mentioned were spoke about by the leave camp repeatedly. How can you now claim they never happened? You acknowledge project fear well that was all about the claims you said never happened. You can't have it both ways. I'll be honest my memory of the remain campaign is they were not very vocal however after doing some reading both cameron and Osbourne did warn us of the economic consequences. I'll happily take that back. So I'll ask a 3rd time.Are we more well informed now or in 2017? Thank you for the admission. So yes I think certain things have been shown up since 2017. However as mentioned with all the new information we had a GE where the 3 main parties clearly set out their plan for brexit. Tory was so clearly go ahead with it, Labour favoured a second ref and the lib dems wanted to cancel it. So everyone could choose once again and had a party to vote for that agreed with them. The result was a Tory win What do you think would have happened with a 2md referendum? I don't know is the honest truth. 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"We’re we told about the Irish border and its conundrum before the referendum? What’s not to like about it? It’s great. Yes we were it came up quite alot Not at all! I suggest you look at this closely. This only came up after the 23rd of June. It was not mentioned or hardly. It was mentioned a lot. Who responsible for mentioning it. The remain or leave side" . No. | |||
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"We’re we told about the Irish border and its conundrum before the referendum? What’s not to like about it? It’s great. Yes we were it came up quite alot Not at all! I suggest you look at this closely. This only came up after the 23rd of June. It was not mentioned or hardly. It was mentioned a lot. Who responsible for mentioning it. The remain or leave side. No. " ? | |||
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"Are the lobotomised tory electors going to wake up one day and realised they’ve be conned or are they going to sleepwalk? How can these idiots in the gvt even consider Grayling? see this is the problem calling peeps who voted tory lobotomised.the reason the torys got voted in is because everyone who voted leave had 3 years of certain labour and lib dem m.ps callung them thick, racist uneducated amongst other things so all those perps though fuck it you aint getting my vote.look at trump getting elected.do you think hillary calling people deplorables helped get trump elected? when you talk down to people they will fo the oppisite of what you want them to do.main reason i dont vote on anything is no matter who they are they all lie and are in it for themselves first and foremost To be honest, I don’t really care anymore how people feel about being called lobotomised. Cretins, fools etc... I could just about live with a Tory gvt and its dreadful cuts from 2010 to 2016 that have imposed so much poverty on so many people.i could also live with the middle of the road tory party that we have in the 90s and 00s. They were still a respectable party with a conservative approach to society and economics. Not my bag but nothing utterly repulsive. Nothing govelike, nothing patellike. Now after Brexit and the shitshow served by this bunch I couldn’t care less if people feel insulted by these comments. The vast majority of brexiters are clearly uneducated, bigots, deluded morons who are naive and nostalgic of a past that is long gone. Their binary and oversimplified version of everything is simply appalling and shameful. It should be this country’s priority to make sure that people get a better education, have a more international approach to problems, have moral values and aspire to a society that works for everyone. When we have done so, we may end up having politicians who will have to please and appeal to higher caliber of voters instead of trying to appeal to our tabloid readers and their lowest instincts. The thicker a country is, the more vulnerable it is and the more shallow and useless its politicians are. And I couldn’t care less if this comes across as arrogant. I shouldn’t be ashamed of telling morons that they are morons. Telling them is doing them a favour. sorry i will re phrase that yourself can call people what you want your not trying to win there votes.wen your a politician and trying to win votes its probably not a good idea to tell people we need you to vote again because you was to stupid to vote the right way last time.not exactally a great qay to get there vote is it? The brexit referendum was built on a tissue of lies and is going to make us much poorer as a country. We should have been told the possible consequences 1st and then given the option of staying or leaving.If that would have happened,and we would have voted out,every single person would have accepted it. Instead we were given a choice with no information resulting in people voting for different reasons. It was a total cluster fuck. I seem to remember we was told the consequences of leaving on a daily basis during the referendum. Instant recession, punishment budgets ect ect. Even a pamphlet to every household. After all that the vote was leave. Since then we had 2 elections. First both Labour and conservative promised to honour the vote and got 80 percent of the vote. Then last year another GE where Tory was clear leave, Labour second referendum and lib dems overturn. Do you seriously want to compare the lies told by the 2 sides. If we left we were told we would economically suffer. Something the home secretary confirmed a few months ago. And something which is hardly a distant possibility. Earlier you claimed we was not told of the consequences which is untrue. I was saying we were told. I did not mention lies told by either side did I ? I can't see where I said anything about consequences. No one knows the consequences which was why it was such a monumentally stupid fucking thing to do. Look further up this thread (also in light grey on this post) You wrote "we should have been told the possible consequences first then given the option to leave or stay" well we was told the consequences as I pointed out earlier and you confirmed. How can you claim we was not told when we clearly was and still voted to leave So possible consequences then? On one side We were told the eu would be begging us not to leave. We were told other countries would be begging to do trade deals by us.The easiest trade deal know history. The bus,Turkey,20 Years of bullshit from the mail and the rag.david Davis and his individual trade deals.All lies. And on the other we were trade we would suffer economically if we left. Bit of a disparity no? Tbh though 'im not one of those people who go with "the people were lied to 'argument. People voted to leave. Let them live with the consequences. Your missing the point but at the same time proving mine. You said and then later tried to deny that we was not told of the consequences. That is clearly untrue. I did not mention claims made by the leave side did I? I did point out that remain told us daily of the consequences which I would fully expect them to. Trying to deny that happened seems very strange Ok I get you. I said we should have been told the possible consequences and you said we were? I agree to a point but we were also fed the lies I mentioned above..and no deal was never brought up as an option so I suppose it depends who you believed. My point was a simple one however.We should have been provided with all the information before the referendum took place. Not afterwards. Exactly you confirmed it then tried to deny it. As said before I did not mention the lies told by both sides. No deal was brought up by the remain side so again we was told. The information available at the time was provided by both sides and as said the remain side repeatedly told us about the consequences. What specific information do you think was missing? Since the referendum and with more knowledge we had last year's election and the result was to continue No deal was never mentioned. The chancellor could have come out beforehand and said jobs will definitely be lost We could have been told the turkey story was nonsense. We could have been told that the process of leaving would be a long arduous road which would leave the country in 2. We could have been told we couldn't do individual trade deals and we could have been told the £350m was total bullshit. We could have asked what "taking back control 'actually means We could have been told about the EU's desire to close tax loopholes. Do you think we were more informed before the referendum than we are now? But we were told those things repeatedly by the remain camp. Massive recession as soon as a leave vote happened, millions of jobs going abroad as companies relocate to name a few. These things were said by the then PM and chancellor. Why do you say those things never happened when they clearly did. It was dubbed project fear by the leave side or are you denying that too? I notice you never mentioned mo deal Like I said it came down to who you believed..but you are right The remain campaigned was labelled as project fear. All those things you mentioned were spoke about by the leave camp repeatedly. How can you now claim they never happened? You acknowledge project fear well that was all about the claims you said never happened. You can't have it both ways. I'll be honest my memory of the remain campaign is they were not very vocal however after doing some reading both cameron and Osbourne did warn us of the economic consequences. I'll happily take that back. So I'll ask a 3rd time.Are we more well informed now or in 2017? Thank you for the admission. So yes I think certain things have been shown up since 2017. However as mentioned with all the new information we had a GE where the 3 main parties clearly set out their plan for brexit. Tory was so clearly go ahead with it, Labour favoured a second ref and the lib dems wanted to cancel it. So everyone could choose once again and had a party to vote for that agreed with them. The result was a Tory win What do you think would have happened with a 2md referendum? I don't know is the honest truth. I had started to come around to the idea of having one but the GE seemed to be the closest we would get and especially as the 3 main parties offered the 3 main options. I think it would have been close but remain would have edged it. Which would have caused more problems tbf" Very possibly | |||
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"Were we told about what would happen to the three million EU citizens who live in the UK and all the Brits who live in the EU? Another tiny detail. What’s not to like about millions of people not knowing for two years after the referendum what would happen." Yes | |||
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"Were we told about what would happen to the three million EU citizens who live in the UK and all the Brits who live in the EU? Another tiny detail. What’s not to like about millions of people not knowing for two years after the referendum what would happen. Yes" The real question is why did the remain camp not make a better job of highlighting these concerns? | |||
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"Were we told that the institutions of the U.K. would be paralysed because of Brexit and that we wouldn’t deal with anything else in this country but Brexit? Not really. EmTwo days to sign the easiest deal in history. Only took four years. What’s not to like? " You seem to be referring to things I never quoted. | |||
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"Were we told about what would happen to the three million EU citizens who live in the UK and all the Brits who live in the EU? Another tiny detail. What’s not to like about millions of people not knowing for two years after the referendum what would happen. Yes" Feel free to lie but do you remember May negotiating with Barnier the fate of these citizens with nobody knowing what the outcome would be. Did you ever hear about settled status before 2016? | |||
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"Were we told about what would happen to the three million EU citizens who live in the UK and all the Brits who live in the EU? Another tiny detail. What’s not to like about millions of people not knowing for two years after the referendum what would happen. Yes The real question is why did the remain camp not make a better job of highlighting these concerns? " No, the real question is what we werenot told or led to believe would be a walk in the park. | |||
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"Were we told about what would happen to the three million EU citizens who live in the UK and all the Brits who live in the EU? Another tiny detail. What’s not to like about millions of people not knowing for two years after the referendum what would happen. Yes Feel free to lie but do you remember May negotiating with Barnier the fate of these citizens with nobody knowing what the outcome would be. Did you ever hear about settled status before 2016?" I simply said these topics came up during the referendum is that a lie. | |||
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"Were we told about what would happen to the three million EU citizens who live in the UK and all the Brits who live in the EU? Another tiny detail. What’s not to like about millions of people not knowing for two years after the referendum what would happen. Yes Feel free to lie but do you remember May negotiating with Barnier the fate of these citizens with nobody knowing what the outcome would be. Did you ever hear about settled status before 2016? I simply said these topics came up during the referendum is that a lie." You may have heard the words EU citizens but what were you told about them exactly? I’d love to know. | |||
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"Where we told what would happen to the subsidies British farmers used to get from the EU? Another detail. These people still don’t have a clue. " Yes the farm issue featured a lot. You seem to be asking about claims the leave side made. As I said before I was not making claims on these I was simply saying the remain side did point out repeatedly the potential problems of leaving. If they did not get their message across very well then that is for them to explain | |||
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"Were we told about what would happen to the three million EU citizens who live in the UK and all the Brits who live in the EU? Another tiny detail. What’s not to like about millions of people not knowing for two years after the referendum what would happen. Yes The real question is why did the remain camp not make a better job of highlighting these concerns? " Think its fairly clear the remain camp assumed we wouldmt cut our own throats. | |||
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"Were we told that workers’ right would be at risk of being altered? What’s not to like about this? Of course you can always fool yourself and think that Johnson and Trump are going to make workers’ right better and not worse. "Your addressing a different issue again it was for the remain side to do this. I do seem to remember discussions on workers rights | |||
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"Were we told about what would happen to the three million EU citizens who live in the UK and all the Brits who live in the EU? Another tiny detail. What’s not to like about millions of people not knowing for two years after the referendum what would happen. Yes The real question is why did the remain camp not make a better job of highlighting these concerns? Think its fairly clear the remain camp assumed we wouldmt cut our own throats." I think they were more surprised than anyone | |||
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"Were we told about what would happen to the three million EU citizens who live in the UK and all the Brits who live in the EU? Another tiny detail. What’s not to like about millions of people not knowing for two years after the referendum what would happen. Yes The real question is why did the remain camp not make a better job of highlighting these concerns? Think its fairly clear the remain camp assumed we wouldmt cut our own throats." It was a surreal experience for me. I remember going to bed on that night and last I saw on the news was a prediction of a 52 to 48 victory for stay. In the morning put tv on and saw the banner at bottom of screen saying 52 to 48. I thought wow they got it right but then my eyes focused properly and see it was leave . | |||
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"Were we told about what would happen to the three million EU citizens who live in the UK and all the Brits who live in the EU? Another tiny detail. What’s not to like about millions of people not knowing for two years after the referendum what would happen. Yes The real question is why did the remain camp not make a better job of highlighting these concerns? Think its fairly clear the remain camp assumed we wouldmt cut our own throats. It was a surreal experience for me. I remember going to bed on that night and last I saw on the news was a prediction of a 52 to 48 victory for stay. In the morning put tv on and saw the banner at bottom of screen saying 52 to 48. I thought wow they got it right but then my eyes focused properly and see it was leave . " I remember being proper shocked in the morning | |||
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" I remember being proper shocked in the morning I thought watching the faces on all the pollsters and pundits was 'hilarious'. Never seen a more totally gob-smacked bunch of know-it-alls in my whole life. "That's true enough loads of bewildered people people trying to come to terms with it. The EU leaders looked shocked and some expected a second vote quickly | |||
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" I remember being proper shocked in the morning I thought watching the faces on all the pollsters and pundits was 'hilarious'. Never seen a more totally gob-smacked bunch of know-it-alls in my whole life. "And when it goes tits up I'm fairly sure no one say....told you so. | |||
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"I think Boris was the excellent spear head leader, we needed at the time. For leave. Honest , meticulous and trustworthy and no bullish....." | |||
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