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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
So... Bojo is about to splash the cash, has already renationalised train franchises, is telling us than we need to rebuild school and hospitals, that investing in infrastructures will
Improve productivity etc...
I’ve always known the Labour Party was right.
How dare these clowns tell us that all these measures are right when they’ve done the complete opposite for decades.
What a bunch of hypocrites. Welcome to the world of Bojo the Marxist! |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"So... Bojo is about to splash the cash, has already renationalised train franchises, is telling us than we need to rebuild school and hospitals, that investing in infrastructures will
Improve productivity etc...
I’ve always known the Labour Party was right.
How dare these clowns tell us that all these measures are right when they’ve done the complete opposite for decades.
What a bunch of hypocrites. Welcome to the world of Bojo the Marxist!"
So you should be celebrating then  you have now got the government policies that you want so guess you will now join the boris fan club.  |
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"So... Bojo is about to splash the cash, has already renationalised train franchises, is telling us than we need to rebuild school and hospitals, that investing in infrastructures will
Improve productivity etc...
I’ve always known the Labour Party was right.
How dare these clowns tell us that all these measures are right when they’ve done the complete opposite for decades.
What a bunch of hypocrites. Welcome to the world of Bojo the Marxist!So you should be celebrating then you have now got the government policies that you want so guess you will now join the boris fan club. "
I’d rather have somebody who genuinely believes in this type of policies rather than someone that has been slagging off state intervention all his life but is going to do it by sheer opportunism and hypocrisy! I don’t think the word U turn is strong enough for this. We would be in such a better place if this had been done for the last ten years. These guys deserve to be ousted ASAP! |
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"So... Bojo is about to splash the cash, has already renationalised train franchises, is telling us than we need to rebuild school and hospitals, that investing in infrastructures will
Improve productivity etc...
I’ve always known the Labour Party was right.
How dare these clowns tell us that all these measures are right when they’ve done the complete opposite for decades.
What a bunch of hypocrites. Welcome to the world of Bojo the Marxist!So you should be celebrating then you have now got the government policies that you want so guess you will now join the boris fan club. "
Perhaps see if it actually happens 1st.
We are going to hire 50000 new nurses
Actually its more like 30000
We are going to build 30 new hospitals
Well 8 actually |
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"So... Bojo is about to splash the cash, has already renationalised train franchises, is telling us than we need to rebuild school and hospitals, that investing in infrastructures will
Improve productivity etc...
I’ve always known the Labour Party was right.
How dare these clowns tell us that all these measures are right when they’ve done the complete opposite for decades.
What a bunch of hypocrites. Welcome to the world of Bojo the Marxist!So you should be celebrating then you have now got the government policies that you want so guess you will now join the boris fan club.
Perhaps see if it actually happens 1st.
We are going to hire 50000 new nurses
Actually its more like 30000
We are going to build 30 new hospitals
Well 8 actually"
At least the rhetoric is there. He’s admitted being wrong all the way. But you’re right I’m not holding my breath. |
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"So... Bojo is about to splash the cash, has already renationalised train franchises, is telling us than we need to rebuild school and hospitals, that investing in infrastructures will
Improve productivity etc...
I’ve always known the Labour Party was right.
How dare these clowns tell us that all these measures are right when they’ve done the complete opposite for decades.
What a bunch of hypocrites. Welcome to the world of Bojo the Marxist!So you should be celebrating then you have now got the government policies that you want so guess you will now join the boris fan club.
Perhaps see if it actually happens 1st.
We are going to hire 50000 new nurses
Actually its more like 30000
We are going to build 30 new hospitals
Well 8 actually
At least the rhetoric is there. He’s admitted being wrong all the way. But you’re right I’m not holding my breath. "
Empty words to please the masses |
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The level of spending won't end up being anything remarkable.
The comparison has been with FDR's 'New Deal' - FDR increased taxes, including a wealth tax on the rich, to pay for that. Can't see the Tories raising taxes by even the tiniest amount. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke |
Oh dear, here we go again . . .
Throughout history every nation who has suffered a major depression has used a National Building Programme Intitiative to rebiuld a devastated economy! Get the people working, get industry moving, to get the money circle going around again.
It's not Socialist it's not Marxist it's not any 'ist - it's well used and plain old common sense'ist.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"So... Bojo is about to splash the cash, has already renationalised train franchises, is telling us than we need to rebuild school and hospitals, that investing in infrastructures will
Improve productivity etc...
I’ve always known the Labour Party was right.
How dare these clowns tell us that all these measures are right when they’ve done the complete opposite for decades.
What a bunch of hypocrites. Welcome to the world of Bojo the Marxist!So you should be celebrating then you have now got the government policies that you want so guess you will now join the boris fan club.
I’d rather have somebody who genuinely believes in this type of policies rather than someone that has been slagging off state intervention all his life but is going to do it by sheer opportunism and hypocrisy! I don’t think the word U turn is strong enough for this. We would be in such a better place if this had been done for the last ten years. These guys deserve to be ousted ASAP! "
So its not really the policies you vote for its a party then? interesting. |
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"Oh dear, here we go again . . .
Throughout history every nation who has suffered a major depression has used a National Building Programme Intitiative to rebiuld a devastated economy! Get the people working, get industry moving, to get the money circle going around again.
It's not Socialist it's not Marxist it's not any 'ist - it's well used and plain old common sense'ist.
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When was the last major tory infrastructure rebuilding programme? |
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"Odd isn't it - now HS2 sounds like a good idea to Labour. lol"
Not too me.
Apparently there is a train being built that doesnt need tracks so before its built its already out of date.
Surely a cross country rail link would be more beneficial |
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Oh dear, here we go again . . .
Throughout history every nation who has suffered a major depression has used a National Building Programme Intitiative to rebiuld a devastated economy! Get the people working, get industry moving, to get the money circle going around again.
It's not Socialist it's not Marxist it's not any 'ist - it's well used and plain old common sense'ist.
"
Forget the name, it’s just state intervention! Everything the tories hate with a passion.
What’s happened to what they really believed in? Reduce public debts? Austerity? We’re they wrong all the way?
Pop corn is ready here. I can’t wait to read the Daily Heil defending state intervention as well as the right wingers here who’ve accused Corbyn and its plans to be a Marxist.
It’s funny when it’s Bojo doing it shouldn’t be called socialism or Marxism. . It should be called ‘common sense’. You couldn’t make it up! The fun has started! |
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"So... Bojo is about to splash the cash, has already renationalised train franchises, is telling us than we need to rebuild school and hospitals, that investing in infrastructures will
Improve productivity etc...
I’ve always known the Labour Party was right.
How dare these clowns tell us that all these measures are right when they’ve done the complete opposite for decades.
What a bunch of hypocrites. Welcome to the world of Bojo the Marxist!So you should be celebrating then you have now got the government policies that you want so guess you will now join the boris fan club.
I’d rather have somebody who genuinely believes in this type of policies rather than someone that has been slagging off state intervention all his life but is going to do it by sheer opportunism and hypocrisy! I don’t think the word U turn is strong enough for this. We would be in such a better place if this had been done for the last ten years. These guys deserve to be ousted ASAP! So its not really the policies you vote for its a party then? interesting."
I vote for people who try to implement the policies they’ve included in their manifesto. Not that it often happens mi f you. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Oh dear, here we go again . . .
Throughout history every nation who has suffered a major depression has used a National Building Programme Intitiative to rebiuld a devastated economy! Get the people working, get industry moving, to get the money circle going around again.
It's not Socialist it's not Marxist it's not any 'ist - it's well used and plain old common sense'ist.
Forget the name, it’s just state intervention! Everything the tories hate with a passion.
What’s happened to what they really believed in? Reduce public debts? Austerity? We’re they wrong all the way?
Pop corn is ready here. I can’t wait to read the Daily Heil defending state intervention as well as the right wingers here who’ve accused Corbyn and its plans to be a Marxist.
It’s funny when it’s Bojo doing it shouldn’t be called socialism or Marxism. . It should be called ‘common sense’. You couldn’t make it up! The fun has started! "
so lets get this right are you happy with boris now or not? |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke |
"Oh dear, here we go again . . .
Throughout history every nation who has suffered a major depression has used a National Building Programme Intitiative to rebiuld a devastated economy! Get the people working, get industry moving, to get the money circle going around again.
It's not Socialist it's not Marxist it's not any 'ist - it's well used and plain old common sense'ist.
When was the last major tory infrastructure rebuilding programme?"
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"Oh dear, here we go again . . .
Throughout history every nation who has suffered a major depression has used a National Building Programme Intitiative to rebiuld a devastated economy! Get the people working, get industry moving, to get the money circle going around again.
It's not Socialist it's not Marxist it's not any 'ist - it's well used and plain old common sense'ist.
Forget the name, it’s just state intervention! Everything the tories hate with a passion.
What’s happened to what they really believed in? Reduce public debts? Austerity? We’re they wrong all the way?
Pop corn is ready here. I can’t wait to read the Daily Heil defending state intervention as well as the right wingers here who’ve accused Corbyn and its plans to be a Marxist.
It’s funny when it’s Bojo doing it shouldn’t be called socialism or Marxism. . It should be called ‘common sense’. You couldn’t make it up! The fun has started! "
Its like that film momento where people can only remember the last 5 minutes.
When corbyn wanted to renatiinionslise several industries he was branded a maverick marxists.
When Tories are forced into doing it..it makes common sense. |
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"Oh dear, here we go again . . .
Throughout history every nation who has suffered a major depression has used a National Building Programme Intitiative to rebiuld a devastated economy! Get the people working, get industry moving, to get the money circle going around again.
It's not Socialist it's not Marxist it's not any 'ist - it's well used and plain old common sense'ist.
When was the last major tory infrastructure rebuilding programme?
Hs2 "
That hasn't actually happened yet. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke |
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It’s funny when it’s Bojo doing it shouldn’t be called socialism or Marxism. . It should be called ‘common sense’. You couldn’t make it up! The fun has started!
Its like that film momento where people can only remember the last 5 minutes.
When corbyn wanted to renatiinionslise several industries he was branded a maverick marxists.
When Tories are forced into doing it..it makes common sense."
There WASN'T a major Depression Looming was there? |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke |
"Oh dear, here we go again . . .
Throughout history every nation who has suffered a major depression has used a National Building Programme Intitiative to rebiuld a devastated economy! Get the people working, get industry moving, to get the money circle going around again.
It's not Socialist it's not Marxist it's not any 'ist - it's well used and plain old common sense'ist.
When was the last major tory infrastructure rebuilding programme?
Hs2
That hasn't actually happened yet."
It's happening right now !!!!! |
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It’s funny when it’s Bojo doing it shouldn’t be called socialism or Marxism. . It should be called ‘common sense’. You couldn’t make it up! The fun has started!
Its like that film momento where people can only remember the last 5 minutes.
When corbyn wanted to renatiinionslise several industries he was branded a maverick marxists.
When Tories are forced into doing it..it makes common sense.
There WASN'T a major Depression Looming was there?"
I'm not sure the last 8 years have been a boom period tbh |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Oh dear, here we go again . . .
Throughout history every nation who has suffered a major depression has used a National Building Programme Intitiative to rebiuld a devastated economy! Get the people working, get industry moving, to get the money circle going around again.
It's not Socialist it's not Marxist it's not any 'ist - it's well used and plain old common sense'ist.
When was the last major tory infrastructure rebuilding programme?
Hs2
That hasn't actually happened yet."
Yeah well i think since he has been pm for only 6 months and the country has been in lockdown 3 of those he can be cut a bit of slack. |
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Oh dear, here we go again . . .
Throughout history every nation who has suffered a major depression has used a National Building Programme Intitiative to rebiuld a devastated economy! Get the people working, get industry moving, to get the money circle going around again.
It's not Socialist it's not Marxist it's not any 'ist - it's well used and plain old common sense'ist.
Forget the name, it’s just state intervention! Everything the tories hate with a passion.
What’s happened to what they really believed in? Reduce public debts? Austerity? We’re they wrong all the way?
Pop corn is ready here. I can’t wait to read the Daily Heil defending state intervention as well as the right wingers here who’ve accused Corbyn and its plans to be a Marxist.
It’s funny when it’s Bojo doing it shouldn’t be called socialism or Marxism. . It should be called ‘common sense’. You couldn’t make it up! The fun has started! so lets get this right are you happy with boris now or not?"
How can I be happy with an opportunistic incompetent liar who has taken everyone for a ride with Brexit and everything else. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke |
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It’s funny when it’s Bojo doing it shouldn’t be called socialism or Marxism. . It should be called ‘common sense’. You couldn’t make it up! The fun has started!
Its like that film momento where people can only remember the last 5 minutes.
When corbyn wanted to renatiinionslise several industries he was branded a maverick marxists.
When Tories are forced into doing it..it makes common sense.
There WASN'T a major Depression Looming was there?
I'm not sure the last 8 years have been a boom period tbh"
but it wasn't a 'national depression' was it? |
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"Oh dear, here we go again . . .
Throughout history every nation who has suffered a major depression has used a National Building Programme Intitiative to rebiuld a devastated economy! Get the people working, get industry moving, to get the money circle going around again.
It's not Socialist it's not Marxist it's not any 'ist - it's well used and plain old common sense'ist.
When was the last major tory infrastructure rebuilding programme?
Hs2
That hasn't actually happened yet.
It's happening right now !!!!!"
Perhaps wait and see if it's an actual success 1st?
Same with his fdr impression |
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It’s funny when it’s Bojo doing it shouldn’t be called socialism or Marxism. . It should be called ‘common sense’. You couldn’t make it up! The fun has started!
Its like that film momento where people can only remember the last 5 minutes.
When corbyn wanted to renatiinionslise several industries he was branded a maverick marxists.
When Tories are forced into doing it..it makes common sense.
There WASN'T a major Depression Looming was there?
I'm not sure the last 8 years have been a boom period tbh
but it wasn't a 'national depression' was it?"
8 Years of austerity
Services cut to the bone
Real time wages not moving since 2008
Really?
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Oh dear, here we go again . . .
Throughout history every nation who has suffered a major depression has used a National Building Programme Intitiative to rebiuld a devastated economy! Get the people working, get industry moving, to get the money circle going around again.
It's not Socialist it's not Marxist it's not any 'ist - it's well used and plain old common sense'ist.
When was the last major tory infrastructure rebuilding programme?
Hs2
That hasn't actually happened yet.
It's happening right now !!!!!
Perhaps wait and see if it's an actual success 1st?
Same with his fdr impression"
FDR couldn’t do press-ups anyway! ?? |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke |
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It’s funny when it’s Bojo doing it shouldn’t be called socialism or Marxism. . It should be called ‘common sense’. You couldn’t make it up! The fun has started!
Its like that film momento where people can only remember the last 5 minutes.
When corbyn wanted to renatiinionslise several industries he was branded a maverick marxists.
When Tories are forced into doing it..it makes common sense.
There WASN'T a major Depression Looming was there?
I'm not sure the last 8 years have been a boom period tbh
but it wasn't a 'national depression' was it?
8 Years of austerity
Services cut to the bone
Real time wages not moving since 2008
Really?
"
You need to read up 'Depression' and 'Financial Crisis'
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Oh dear, here we go again . . .
Throughout history every nation who has suffered a major depression has used a National Building Programme Intitiative to rebiuld a devastated economy! Get the people working, get industry moving, to get the money circle going around again.
It's not Socialist it's not Marxist it's not any 'ist - it's well used and plain old common sense'ist.
Forget the name, it’s just state intervention! Everything the tories hate with a passion.
What’s happened to what they really believed in? Reduce public debts? Austerity? We’re they wrong all the way?
Pop corn is ready here. I can’t wait to read the Daily Heil defending state intervention as well as the right wingers here who’ve accused Corbyn and its plans to be a Marxist.
It’s funny when it’s Bojo doing it shouldn’t be called socialism or Marxism. . It should be called ‘common sense’. You couldn’t make it up! The fun has started! so lets get this right are you happy with boris now or not?
How can I be happy with an opportunistic incompetent liar who has taken everyone for a ride with Brexit and everything else. "
So you dont really want policies that you say your party wanted you just want the party.I can see why you are bitter now its just about winning and you lost. |
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
I feel a sense of uneasiness from the right wingers in this thread. Fair play to them for joining in but they seem to struggle coming up with arguments and answer direct questions. They look a bit evasive don’t they. Something’s not quite right in toryland today. It looks like their world has been turned upside down and they struggle to make sense of it and to adapt their new rhetoric! |
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It’s funny when it’s Bojo doing it shouldn’t be called socialism or Marxism. . It should be called ‘common sense’. You couldn’t make it up! The fun has started!
Its like that film momento where people can only remember the last 5 minutes.
When corbyn wanted to renatiinionslise several industries he was branded a maverick marxists.
When Tories are forced into doing it..it makes common sense.
There WASN'T a major Depression Looming was there?
I'm not sure the last 8 years have been a boom period tbh
but it wasn't a 'national depression' was it?
8 Years of austerity
Services cut to the bone
Real time wages not moving since 2008
Really?
You need to read up 'Depression' and 'Financial Crisis'
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Renationalisation isnt really about that anyway.
The left generally being in a combination of state/private owned business.
Tories would sell of their own mothers if they could. |
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"Oh dear, here we go again . . .
Throughout history every nation who has suffered a major depression has used a National Building Programme Intitiative to rebiuld a devastated economy! Get the people working, get industry moving, to get the money circle going around again.
It's not Socialist it's not Marxist it's not any 'ist - it's well used and plain old common sense'ist.
Forget the name, it’s just state intervention! Everything the tories hate with a passion.
What’s happened to what they really believed in? Reduce public debts? Austerity? We’re they wrong all the way?
Pop corn is ready here. I can’t wait to read the Daily Heil defending state intervention as well as the right wingers here who’ve accused Corbyn and its plans to be a Marxist.
It’s funny when it’s Bojo doing it shouldn’t be called socialism or Marxism. . It should be called ‘common sense’. You couldn’t make it up! The fun has started! so lets get this right are you happy with boris now or not?
How can I be happy with an opportunistic incompetent liar who has taken everyone for a ride with Brexit and everything else. So you dont really want policies that you say your party wanted you just want the party.I can see why you are bitter now its just about winning and you lost."
You generally believe in the policies which labour/,tory/lib stand for.
They dont really tend to radically change.
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Oh dear, here we go again . . .
Throughout history every nation who has suffered a major depression has used a National Building Programme Intitiative to rebiuld a devastated economy! Get the people working, get industry moving, to get the money circle going around again.
It's not Socialist it's not Marxist it's not any 'ist - it's well used and plain old common sense'ist.
Forget the name, it’s just state intervention! Everything the tories hate with a passion.
What’s happened to what they really believed in? Reduce public debts? Austerity? We’re they wrong all the way?
Pop corn is ready here. I can’t wait to read the Daily Heil defending state intervention as well as the right wingers here who’ve accused Corbyn and its plans to be a Marxist.
It’s funny when it’s Bojo doing it shouldn’t be called socialism or Marxism. . It should be called ‘common sense’. You couldn’t make it up! The fun has started! so lets get this right are you happy with boris now or not?
How can I be happy with an opportunistic incompetent liar who has taken everyone for a ride with Brexit and everything else. So you dont really want policies that you say your party wanted you just want the party.I can see why you are bitter now its just about winning and you lost."
My God! You really trying hard aren’t you. I’ve told you several times that I want somebody who implements these policies by conviction and who is trustworthy. I could also add somebody with integrity and who’se not doing the opposite of what he’s advocated. And that’s not Borix the hypocrite,
Is it going to cancel Brexit tomorrow? |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"I feel a sense of uneasiness from the right wingers in this thread. Fair play to them for joining in but they seem to struggle coming up with arguments and answer direct questions. They look a bit evasive don’t they. Something’s not quite right in toryland today. It looks like their world has been turned upside down and they struggle to make sense of it and to adapt their new rhetoric! "
Joining in? You mean we need to have your permission first?
You do say the most silly things - as if somehow you're sat there on Mount Olympus having a chin-wag with Dear Hera about those silly humans. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
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It’s funny when it’s Bojo doing it shouldn’t be called socialism or Marxism. . It should be called ‘common sense’. You couldn’t make it up! The fun has started!
Its like that film momento where people can only remember the last 5 minutes.
When corbyn wanted to renatiinionslise several industries he was branded a maverick marxists.
When Tories are forced into doing it..it makes common sense.
There WASN'T a major Depression Looming was there?
I'm not sure the last 8 years have been a boom period tbh
but it wasn't a 'national depression' was it?
8 Years of austerity
Services cut to the bone
Real time wages not moving since 2008
Really?
You need to read up 'Depression' and 'Financial Crisis'
Renationalisation isnt really about that anyway.
The left generally being in a combination of state/private owned business.
Tories would sell of their own mothers if they could."
You do talk a load of twaddle |
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"I feel a sense of uneasiness from the right wingers in this thread. Fair play to them for joining in but they seem to struggle coming up with arguments and answer direct questions. They look a bit evasive don’t they. Something’s not quite right in toryland today. It looks like their world has been turned upside down and they struggle to make sense of it and to adapt their new rhetoric!
Joining in? You mean we need to have your permission first?
You do say the most silly things - as if somehow you're sat there on Mount Olympus having a chin-wag with Dear Hera about those silly humans. "
That’s exactly what I meant by being evasive. Your posts are a bit like Boris at PMQ. No substance, playing the man instead of the ball. No point in fudging and muddling the waters. You’ve been asked clear questions about the tories‘ common sense for example. Can you elaborate? I don’t give a toss about Mount Olympus personally. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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Tories would sell of their own mothers if they could."
A none sentence - doesn't mean anything - just an off-the-cuff name calling tactic with no purpose. There is no political argument in sentences like these. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke |
"I feel a sense of uneasiness from the right wingers in this thread. Fair play to them for joining in but they seem to struggle coming up with arguments and answer direct questions. They look a bit evasive don’t they. Something’s not quite right in toryland today. It looks like their world has been turned upside down and they struggle to make sense of it and to adapt their new rhetoric!
Joining in? You mean we need to have your permission first?
You do say the most silly things - as if somehow you're sat there on Mount Olympus having a chin-wag with Dear Hera about those silly humans.
That’s exactly what I meant by being evasive. Your posts are a bit like Boris at PMQ. No substance, playing the man instead of the ball. No point in fudging and muddling the waters. You’ve been asked clear questions about the tories‘ common sense for example. Can you elaborate? I don’t give a toss about Mount Olympus personally. "
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"I feel a sense of uneasiness from the right wingers in this thread. Fair play to them for joining in but they seem to struggle coming up with arguments and answer direct questions. They look a bit evasive don’t they. Something’s not quite right in toryland today. It looks like their world has been turned upside down and they struggle to make sense of it and to adapt their new rhetoric! "
Think the unease is in the labour camp Boris going ahead on what he was elected on.Starmer saying its just a rehash of his election manifesto and not going further enough,doesnt seem that your leader has the same view on all this as you do. |
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"So... Bojo is about to splash the cash, has already renationalised train franchises, is telling us than we need to rebuild school and hospitals, that investing in infrastructures will
Improve productivity etc...
I’ve always known the Labour Party was right.
How dare these clowns tell us that all these measures are right when they’ve done the complete opposite for decades.
What a bunch of hypocrites. Welcome to the world of Bojo the Marxist!"
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"I feel a sense of uneasiness from the right wingers in this thread. Fair play to them for joining in but they seem to struggle coming up with arguments and answer direct questions. They look a bit evasive don’t they. Something’s not quite right in toryland today. It looks like their world has been turned upside down and they struggle to make sense of it and to adapt their new rhetoric! Think the unease is in the labour camp Boris going ahead on what he was elected on.Starmer saying its just a rehash of his election manifesto and not going further enough,doesnt seem that your leader has the same view on all this as you do. "
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"I feel a sense of uneasiness from the right wingers in this thread. Fair play to them for joining in but they seem to struggle coming up with arguments and answer direct questions. They look a bit evasive don’t they. Something’s not quite right in toryland today. It looks like their world has been turned upside down and they struggle to make sense of it and to adapt their new rhetoric!
Joining in? You mean we need to have your permission first?
You do say the most silly things - as if somehow you're sat there on Mount Olympus having a chin-wag with Dear Hera about those silly humans. "
Funny how praising somebody for joining in turn into an authorisation to join in by the way. Clever if dishonest.
As for the silly things, please elaborate. You do say a lot of silly things but it's probably because we have different political views.
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Tories would sell of their own mothers if they could.
A none sentence - doesn't mean anything - just an off-the-cuff name calling tactic with no purpose. There is no political argument in sentences like these. "
I know I'm not economic expert but since Thatcherism the tories have a profound faith in the market (monentrism?)and since that time have sold of many formerly state run industries.Look up the Ridley report.In the early 80s Geoffrey Howe talked about the discipline of the market..in that time british jaguar,bt,cable and wireless,ba,btitoil and British gas were sold off.
Later on in that decade British steel,bp,rolls Royce,gas and leccy were sold off.She devastated The coal industry and the market was king.remember rolling back The frontiers of the state?
The labour,especially the left,are more linked with much greater state intervention which is saddled with legacies of inefficiency
True or false? |
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"I feel a sense of uneasiness from the right wingers in this thread. Fair play to them for joining in but they seem to struggle coming up with arguments and answer direct questions. They look a bit evasive don’t they. Something’s not quite right in toryland today. It looks like their world has been turned upside down and they struggle to make sense of it and to adapt their new rhetoric!
Joining in? You mean we need to have your permission first?
You do say the most silly things - as if somehow you're sat there on Mount Olympus having a chin-wag with Dear Hera about those silly humans.
That’s exactly what I meant by being evasive. Your posts are a bit like Boris at PMQ. No substance, playing the man instead of the ball. No point in fudging and muddling the waters. You’ve been asked clear questions about the tories‘ common sense for example. Can you elaborate? I don’t give a toss about Mount Olympus personally.
I think if you read back I have said quite a lot in answer to what is being said here. Just choose to see through your hatred of an individual to see it. "
I have re-read your posts and I still can't see anything about your justification of the tories' common sense when what Labour has been advocating for a long time was deemed Marxist by the tories. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
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Tories would sell of their own mothers if they could.
A none sentence - doesn't mean anything - just an off-the-cuff name calling tactic with no purpose. There is no political argument in sentences like these.
I know I'm not economic expert but since Thatcherism the tories have a profound faith in the market (monentrism?)and since that time have sold of many formerly state run industries.Look up the Ridley report.In the early 80s Geoffrey Howe talked about the discipline of the market..in that time british jaguar,bt,cable and wireless,ba,btitoil and British gas were sold off.
Later on in that decade British steel,bp,rolls Royce,gas and leccy were sold off.She devastated The coal industry and the market was king.remember rolling back The frontiers of the state?
The labour,especially the left,are more linked with much greater state intervention which is saddled with legacies of inefficiency
True or false?"
Now some would say that getting rid of coal she was a visionary for a greener uk Just a footnote did you know that uk energy has been produced by fossil free fuel for over 2 months now a boris bonus for you.  |
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By *ik MMan
over a year ago
Lancashire |
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Tories would sell of their own mothers if they could.
A none sentence - doesn't mean anything - just an off-the-cuff name calling tactic with no purpose. There is no political argument in sentences like these.
I know I'm not economic expert but since Thatcherism the tories have a profound faith in the market (monentrism?)and since that time have sold of many formerly state run industries.Look up the Ridley report.In the early 80s Geoffrey Howe talked about the discipline of the market..in that time british jaguar,bt,cable and wireless,ba,btitoil and British gas were sold off.
Later on in that decade British steel,bp,rolls Royce,gas and leccy were sold off.She devastated The coal industry and the market was king.remember rolling back The frontiers of the state?
The labour,especially the left,are more linked with much greater state intervention which is saddled with legacies of inefficiency
True or false?Now some would say that getting rid of coal she was a visionary for a greener uk Just a footnote did you know that uk energy has been produced by fossil free fuel for over 2 months now a boris bonus for you. "
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over a year ago
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Tories would sell of their own mothers if they could.
A none sentence - doesn't mean anything - just an off-the-cuff name calling tactic with no purpose. There is no political argument in sentences like these.
I know I'm not economic expert but since Thatcherism the tories have a profound faith in the market (monentrism?)and since that time have sold of many formerly state run industries.Look up the Ridley report.In the early 80s Geoffrey Howe talked about the discipline of the market..in that time british jaguar,bt,cable and wireless,ba,btitoil and British gas were sold off.
Later on in that decade British steel,bp,rolls Royce,gas and leccy were sold off.She devastated The coal industry and the market was king.remember rolling back The frontiers of the state?
The labour,especially the left,are more linked with much greater state intervention which is saddled with legacies of inefficiency
True or false?Now some would say that getting rid of coal she was a visionary for a greener uk Just a footnote did you know that uk energy has been produced by fossil free fuel for over 2 months now a boris bonus for you.
Harold Wilson closed 246 pits...Thatcher 115"
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
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Tories would sell of their own mothers if they could.
A none sentence - doesn't mean anything - just an off-the-cuff name calling tactic with no purpose. There is no political argument in sentences like these.
I know I'm not economic expert but since Thatcherism the tories have a profound faith in the market (monentrism?)and since that time have sold of many formerly state run industries.Look up the Ridley report.In the early 80s Geoffrey Howe talked about the discipline of the market..in that time british jaguar,bt,cable and wireless,ba,btitoil and British gas were sold off.
Later on in that decade British steel,bp,rolls Royce,gas and leccy were sold off.She devastated The coal industry and the market was king.remember rolling back The frontiers of the state?
The labour,especially the left,are more linked with much greater state intervention which is saddled with legacies of inefficiency
True or false?Now some would say that getting rid of coal she was a visionary for a greener uk Just a footnote did you know that uk energy has been produced by fossil free fuel for over 2 months now a boris bonus for you.
Harold Wilson closed 246 pits...Thatcher 115"
Who turned this country into a country of services meaning that we hardly build or produce anything here? As soon as consumption slows down, we're doomed. Thank you Thatcher. |
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
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Tories would sell of their own mothers if they could.
A none sentence - doesn't mean anything - just an off-the-cuff name calling tactic with no purpose. There is no political argument in sentences like these.
I know I'm not economic expert but since Thatcherism the tories have a profound faith in the market (monentrism?)and since that time have sold of many formerly state run industries.Look up the Ridley report.In the early 80s Geoffrey Howe talked about the discipline of the market..in that time british jaguar,bt,cable and wireless,ba,btitoil and British gas were sold off.
Later on in that decade British steel,bp,rolls Royce,gas and leccy were sold off.She devastated The coal industry and the market was king.remember rolling back The frontiers of the state?
The labour,especially the left,are more linked with much greater state intervention which is saddled with legacies of inefficiency
True or false?Now some would say that getting rid of coal she was a visionary for a greener uk Just a footnote did you know that uk energy has been produced by fossil free fuel for over 2 months now a boris bonus for you.
Harold Wilson closed 246 pits...Thatcher 115
How many British industries did the tories sell? "
Probably easier to count the ones they didn't sell...  |
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Tories would sell of their own mothers if they could.
A none sentence - doesn't mean anything - just an off-the-cuff name calling tactic with no purpose. There is no political argument in sentences like these.
I know I'm not economic expert but since Thatcherism the tories have a profound faith in the market (monentrism?)and since that time have sold of many formerly state run industries.Look up the Ridley report.In the early 80s Geoffrey Howe talked about the discipline of the market..in that time british jaguar,bt,cable and wireless,ba,btitoil and British gas were sold off.
Later on in that decade British steel,bp,rolls Royce,gas and leccy were sold off.She devastated The coal industry and the market was king.remember rolling back The frontiers of the state?
The labour,especially the left,are more linked with much greater state intervention which is saddled with legacies of inefficiency
True or false?Now some would say that getting rid of coal she was a visionary for a greener uk Just a footnote did you know that uk energy has been produced by fossil free fuel for over 2 months now a boris bonus for you.
Harold Wilson closed 246 pits...Thatcher 115"
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It's obviously the right thing to do. However, it was also the right thing to do 10 years ago. But at that point the Torys did the opposite.
I am please they are finally realising you can only work your way out of this. Cutting every service possible has simply left the country in the direst of straights.
My only concern is that who will pay. I know who would have paid were this being done by a Labour government. I suspect I know who will pay under a Tory... |
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"So... Bojo is about to splash the cash, has already renationalised train franchises, is telling us than we need to rebuild school and hospitals, that investing in infrastructures will
Improve productivity etc...
I’ve always known the Labour Party was right.
How dare these clowns tell us that all these measures are right when they’ve done the complete opposite for decades.
What a bunch of hypocrites. Welcome to the world of Bojo the Marxist!So you should be celebrating then you have now got the government policies that you want so guess you will now join the boris fan club.
I’d rather have somebody who genuinely believes in this type of policies rather than someone that has been slagging off state intervention all his life but is going to do it by sheer opportunism and hypocrisy! I don’t think the word U turn is strong enough for this. We would be in such a better place if this had been done for the last ten years. These guys deserve to be ousted ASAP! "
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over a year ago
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How can I be happy with an opportunistic incompetent liar who has taken everyone for a ride with Brexit and everything else.
But really, only if you believe Brexit to be wrong "
Is there any other way to view it?? |
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Perhaps 1 of his fan club could identify an actual attribute that he has?"
Integrity
Honesty
Keeps his promises
Trustworthy
Faithful
Loyal
Meticulous with detail
Anyways admits his mistakes
Highly respected by other european countries
Great haircut
Take your pick...
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"Perhaps 1 of his fan club could identify an actual attribute that he has?
Integrity
Honesty
Keeps his promises
Trustworthy
Faithful
Loyal
Meticulous with detail
Anyways admits his mistakes
Highly respected by other european countries
Great haircut
Take your pick...
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Agree... all of the above and of course, his charisma is world beating
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"Perhaps 1 of his fan club could identify an actual attribute that he has?
Integrity
Honesty
Keeps his promises
Trustworthy
Faithful
Loyal
Meticulous with detail
Anyways admits his mistakes
Highly respected by other european countries
Great haircut
Take your pick...
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"Perhaps 1 of his fan club could identify an actual attribute that he has?"
Fertility? At the rate he's wiping out the elderly we're going to have to re-populate, and we know one thing he can do competently is breed. We're just not sure exactly how competently... |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
It seems much of this is just bringing forward plans rather than new ones and not a massive increase in expenditure but doing the projects sooner than thought. As others have said will need to wait and see.
Hopefully it will help |
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"It seems much of this is just bringing forward plans rather than new ones and not a massive increase in expenditure but doing the projects sooner than thought. As others have said will need to wait and see.
Hopefully it will help"
When was he planning to do this? |
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"It seems much of this is just bringing forward plans rather than new ones and not a massive increase in expenditure but doing the projects sooner than thought. As others have said will need to wait and see.
Hopefully it will help
When was he planning to do this? "
Apparently a lot of the money trumpeted to spend has already been spent on furlough.
All bluster and no substance again
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke |
oh dear, still going lol. I went off to do useful things like wash my car and vacuum the house, clean the windows . . . spent an hour in the hotub singing. Best get that in before it too is nationlised.
Just so you know . . . the next UK Election is to be held on Thursday 2 May 2024.
Look forward to your votes.
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"oh dear, still going lol. I went off to do useful things like wash my car and vacuum the house, clean the windows . . . spent an hour in the hotub singing. Best get that in before it too is nationlised.
Just so you know . . . the next UK Election is to be held on Thursday 2 May 2024.
Look forward to your votes.
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It's given you plenty of time to find an answer about the Tories' common sense... |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke |
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Just so you know . . . the next UK Election is to be held on Thursday 2 May 2024.
Look forward to your votes.
It's given you plenty of time to find an answer about the Tories' common sense... "
The problem with common-sense is that it's curiously uncommon.
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
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Just so you know . . . the next UK Election is to be held on Thursday 2 May 2024.
Look forward to your votes.
It's given you plenty of time to find an answer about the Tories' common sense...
The problem with common-sense is that it's curiously uncommon.
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A bit like your answer about the tories' commons sense.
Everyone has common sense. However, my common sense is different to my neighbours' which is different to my best friend's etc... Relying on people's common sense during a pandemic or in politics is pathetic. It's wishful thinking. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke |
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Just so you know . . . the next UK Election is to be held on Thursday 2 May 2024.
Look forward to your votes.
It's given you plenty of time to find an answer about the Tories' common sense...
The problem with common-sense is that it's curiously uncommon.
A bit like your answer about the tories' commons sense.
Everyone has common sense. However, my common sense is different to my neighbours' which is different to my best friend's etc... Relying on people's common sense during a pandemic or in politics is pathetic. It's wishful thinking. "
Oh. Now be fair. I didn't say any party had common sense ?? |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"It seems much of this is just bringing forward plans rather than new ones and not a massive increase in expenditure but doing the projects sooner than thought. As others have said will need to wait and see.
Hopefully it will help
When was he planning to do this? "
I caught a bit on the car radio on my way home. Apparently many of these announcements are 're announcements only difference is instead of being spread over several years they are going to try and do quicker. Announcing the same thing several times is a well worn politicians thing. As others say let's see |
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By *emptd2Man
over a year ago
Burgess Hill & Birmingham |
"Perhaps see if it actually happens 1st.
We are going to hire 50000 new nurses
Actually its more like 30000
We are going to build 30 new hospitals
Well 8 actually"
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Perhaps see if it actually happens 1st.
We are going to hire 50000 new nurses
Actually its more like 30000
We are going to build 30 new hospitals
Well 8 actually
Don't forget the police. 20,000 new officers was the claim. "
seems her has made a start In total, forces recruited 6,435 officers from November 2019 to March 2020, including recruitment planned before the programme was announced.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Perhaps see if it actually happens 1st.
We are going to hire 50000 new nurses
Actually its more like 30000
We are going to build 30 new hospitals
Well 8 actually
Don't forget the police. 20,000 new officers was the claim. seems her has made a start In total, forces recruited 6,435 officers from November 2019 to March 2020, including recruitment planned before the programme was announced.
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Isn't this all largely investment that's been accounted for before, with minimal that's different. It's even the same old bullshit delivery style, for the hard of thinking.
A minuscule amount of money, not so different from the tax saved for the former pornographer Desmond, where his planning application was pushed through in 1 day, the day before he would have had to contribute tax to the local council.
It will employ some people and make some millionaires richer.
The policy is about having them run things into the ground, pay them to demolish and rebuild under looser planning standards. And thank them for having made life so bad, for so many, then letting donors profit from the misery and deaths. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Perhaps see if it actually happens 1st.
We are going to hire 50000 new nurses
Actually its more like 30000
We are going to build 30 new hospitals
Well 8 actually
Don't forget the police. 20,000 new officers was the claim. seems her has made a start In total, forces recruited 6,435 officers from November 2019 to March 2020, including recruitment planned before the programme was announced.
How many were cut?"
you do the maths There are now a total of 131,596 officers, a 5% increase on March 2019 |
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"Perhaps see if it actually happens 1st.
We are going to hire 50000 new nurses
Actually its more like 30000
We are going to build 30 new hospitals
Well 8 actually
Don't forget the police. 20,000 new officers was the claim. seems her has made a start In total, forces recruited 6,435 officers from November 2019 to March 2020, including recruitment planned before the programme was announced.
How many were cut?"
This is anecdotal but true.
We had to go to a police station about 6 months.There are 4 in north lpool.It was about 8.00pm when we went and the 1st 3 were closed.Thats in a big city.
They have slashed all services to the bone and are now crowing about taking new police on.
Its estimated in the last 10 years 23,500 police jobs have gone. |
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"Isn't this all largely investment that's been accounted for before, with minimal that's different. It's even the same old bullshit delivery style, for the hard of thinking.
A minuscule amount of money, not so different from the tax saved for the former pornographer Desmond, where his planning application was pushed through in 1 day, the day before he would have had to contribute tax to the local council.
It will employ some people and make some millionaires richer.
The policy is about having them run things into the ground, pay them to demolish and rebuild under looser planning standards. And thank them for having made life so bad, for so many, then letting donors profit from the misery and deaths. "
They are masters at it.
Get their mates in the media to make headline grabbing claims and scratch beneath the surface and it's all bullshit. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Perhaps see if it actually happens 1st.
We are going to hire 50000 new nurses
Actually its more like 30000
We are going to build 30 new hospitals
Well 8 actually
Don't forget the police. 20,000 new officers was the claim. seems her has made a start In total, forces recruited 6,435 officers from November 2019 to March 2020, including recruitment planned before the programme was announced.
How many were cut?
This is anecdotal but true.
We had to go to a police station about 6 months.There are 4 in north lpool.It was about 8.00pm when we went and the 1st 3 were closed.Thats in a big city.
They have slashed all services to the bone and are now crowing about taking new police on.
Its estimated in the last 10 years 23,500 police jobs have gone."
Well its a good job that we have a leader and home secretary who can see the problem and are fixing it. |
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"Perhaps see if it actually happens 1st.
We are going to hire 50000 new nurses
Actually its more like 30000
We are going to build 30 new hospitals
Well 8 actually
Don't forget the police. 20,000 new officers was the claim. seems her has made a start In total, forces recruited 6,435 officers from November 2019 to March 2020, including recruitment planned before the programme was announced.
How many were cut?
This is anecdotal but true.
We had to go to a police station about 6 months.There are 4 in north lpool.It was about 8.00pm when we went and the 1st 3 were closed.Thats in a big city.
They have slashed all services to the bone and are now crowing about taking new police on.
Its estimated in the last 10 years 23,500 police jobs have gone.Well its a good job that we have a leader and home secretary who can see the problem and are fixing it. "
Indeed.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Perhaps see if it actually happens 1st.
We are going to hire 50000 new nurses
Actually its more like 30000
We are going to build 30 new hospitals
Well 8 actually
Don't forget the police. 20,000 new officers was the claim. seems her has made a start In total, forces recruited 6,435 officers from November 2019 to March 2020, including recruitment planned before the programme was announced.
How many were cut?
This is anecdotal but true.
We had to go to a police station about 6 months.There are 4 in north lpool.It was about 8.00pm when we went and the 1st 3 were closed.Thats in a big city.
They have slashed all services to the bone and are now crowing about taking new police on.
Its estimated in the last 10 years 23,500 police jobs have gone.Well its a good job that we have a leader and home secretary who can see the problem and are fixing it.
Indeed.
Rolls eyes.
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Oh dear, here we go again . . .
Throughout history every nation who has suffered a major depression has used a National Building Programme Intitiative to rebiuld a devastated economy! Get the people working, get industry moving, to get the money circle going around again.
It's not Socialist it's not Marxist it's not any 'ist - it's well used and plain old common sense'ist.
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State funded projects to provide labour and infrastructure are intrinsically socialist.
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke |
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State funded projects to provide labour and infrastructure are intrinsically socialist.
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And couild just as easily argue that they are long-term capitalist - if you get people working again you get industry making widgets you get profit and you get division in wealth - division in wealth brings distorted power to the profit makers . . . therefore conservative . . .
But then you could also argue that . . .
What's wrong with profit? Profit makes for jobs. Profit makes for taxes. Profit pays your morgage or rent or lease. Profit pays you holiday pay. Profit pays your sickleave. Profit pays your childcare. Profit pays for healthcare. Profit pays for education. Therefore Profit is Socialist . . .
Profit isn't a dirty word. It's a doing word.
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
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State funded projects to provide labour and infrastructure are intrinsically socialist.
And couild just as easily argue that they are long-term capitalist - if you get people working again you get industry making widgets you get profit and you get division in wealth - division in wealth brings distorted power to the profit makers . . . therefore conservative . . .
But then you could also argue that . . .
What's wrong with profit? Profit makes for jobs. Profit makes for taxes. Profit pays your morgage or rent or lease. Profit pays you holiday pay. Profit pays your sickleave. Profit pays your childcare. Profit pays for healthcare. Profit pays for education. Therefore Profit is Socialist . . .
Profit isn't a dirty word. It's a doing word.
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Problem is that in this country, even if everything is working well, the City is booming, high earners get big bonuses, there never seems to be enough money left for public services when the tories are in charge. I would gladly advocate the same system as you but some reason it’s always the same people who end up winning with it.
Every time the Conservative party is in charge, waiting lists in hospitals get bigger, schools get crappier ( buildings and resources that is). Probably a coincidence...
And when it goes tits up, the state and the taxpayers bail them out. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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State funded projects to provide labour and infrastructure are intrinsically socialist.
And couild just as easily argue that they are long-term capitalist - if you get people working again you get industry making widgets you get profit and you get division in wealth - division in wealth brings distorted power to the profit makers . . . therefore conservative . . .
But then you could also argue that . . .
What's wrong with profit? Profit makes for jobs. Profit makes for taxes. Profit pays your morgage or rent or lease. Profit pays you holiday pay. Profit pays your sickleave. Profit pays your childcare. Profit pays for healthcare. Profit pays for education. Therefore Profit is Socialist . . .
Profit isn't a dirty word. It's a doing word.
Problem is that in this country, even if everything is working well, the City is booming, high earners get big bonuses, there never seems to be enough money left for public services when the tories are in charge. I would gladly advocate the same system as you but some reason it’s always the same people who end up winning with it.
Every time the Conservative party is in charge, waiting lists in hospitals get bigger, schools get crappier ( buildings and resources that is). Probably a coincidence...
And when it goes tits up, the state and the taxpayers bail them out. "
In general I agree - but Labour have many times overspent as if somehow on a mission of mercy rather than sound fiscal policy - now if only there was a middle way you and I would be sharing the same bar space. |
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
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State funded projects to provide labour and infrastructure are intrinsically socialist.
And couild just as easily argue that they are long-term capitalist - if you get people working again you get industry making widgets you get profit and you get division in wealth - division in wealth brings distorted power to the profit makers . . . therefore conservative . . .
But then you could also argue that . . .
What's wrong with profit? Profit makes for jobs. Profit makes for taxes. Profit pays your morgage or rent or lease. Profit pays you holiday pay. Profit pays your sickleave. Profit pays your childcare. Profit pays for healthcare. Profit pays for education. Therefore Profit is Socialist . . .
Profit isn't a dirty word. It's a doing word.
Problem is that in this country, even if everything is working well, the City is booming, high earners get big bonuses, there never seems to be enough money left for public services when the tories are in charge. I would gladly advocate the same system as you but some reason it’s always the same people who end up winning with it.
Every time the Conservative party is in charge, waiting lists in hospitals get bigger, schools get crappier ( buildings and resources that is). Probably a coincidence...
And when it goes tits up, the state and the taxpayers bail them out.
In general I agree - but Labour have many times overspent as if somehow on a mission of mercy rather than sound fiscal policy - now if only there was a middle way you and I would be sharing the same bar space. "
Probably but between the two bad solutions I much prefer the more compassionate and humanist one. And as my job is within the public service, I know there will never be enough money for it when they tories are in charge because they’d rather give tax cuts to their millionaire friends than investing in infrastructures.
As a result, Infrastructures in the UK are absolutely diabolical. I mean anybody who’s been to France, Germany or Italy will have been to compare our roads with theirs, their hospitals with ours, their train stations with ours, their public transport with ours. The bottom line is that capitalism is all about profit and not enough about the common good of society. Which is why we have crappy infrastructures compared to our more socially fairer neighbours. Far less inequalities in those countries and more redistribution of wealth! |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Perhaps see if it actually happens 1st.
We are going to hire 50000 new nurses
Actually its more like 30000
We are going to build 30 new hospitals
Well 8 actually
Don't forget the police. 20,000 new officers was the claim. seems her has made a start In total, forces recruited 6,435 officers from November 2019 to March 2020, including recruitment planned before the programme was announced.
How many were cut?you do the maths There are now a total of 131,596 officers, a 5% increase on March 2019 "
How many were cut before they committed to increasing police numbers by 20,000?
You understood the question perfectly well.
Why play dumb? |
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"Well its a good job that we have a leader and home secretary who can see the problem and are fixing it. "
You have to admit, they did an awesome job of reducing shoplifting while all the shops were shut. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Perhaps see if it actually happens 1st.
We are going to hire 50000 new nurses
Actually its more like 30000
We are going to build 30 new hospitals
Well 8 actually
Don't forget the police. 20,000 new officers was the claim. seems her has made a start In total, forces recruited 6,435 officers from November 2019 to March 2020, including recruitment planned before the programme was announced.
How many were cut?you do the maths There are now a total of 131,596 officers, a 5% increase on March 2019
How many were cut before they committed to increasing police numbers by 20,000?
You understood the question perfectly well.
Why play dumb?"
not playing dumb a new PM and new HS new policy more police what's not to like? |
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Maybe the fact that we didn't have enough before they cut 21000 police and you're wanking over us only being 15000 on the deal so far. Plus, the new ones that are getting you hard are - new, inexperienced - but I'm sure in your utopia that won't be a problem.
And don't pull the "new government" shit. It's 95% the same cunts, just sat in different chairs. The only real difference is that none of the elected ones actually make decisions now. They're just mouthpieces to peddle the lies and bullshit that you applaud like a performing seal.
I wonder what flavour fish they'll throw at you tomorrow tomorrow. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Maybe the fact that we didn't have enough before they cut 21000 police and you're wanking over us only being 15000 on the deal so far. Plus, the new ones that are getting you hard are - new, inexperienced - but I'm sure in your utopia that won't be a problem.
And don't pull the "new government" shit. It's 95% the same cunts, just sat in different chairs. The only real difference is that none of the elected ones actually make decisions now. They're just mouthpieces to peddle the lies and bullshit that you applaud like a performing seal.
I wonder what flavour fish they'll throw at you tomorrow tomorrow. "
what I said it's a start a new leader new priorities I don't know why you don't understand that. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Perhaps see if it actually happens 1st.
We are going to hire 50000 new nurses
Actually its more like 30000
We are going to build 30 new hospitals
Well 8 actually
Don't forget the police. 20,000 new officers was the claim. seems her has made a start In total, forces recruited 6,435 officers from November 2019 to March 2020, including recruitment planned before the programme was announced.
How many were cut?you do the maths There are now a total of 131,596 officers, a 5% increase on March 2019
How many were cut before they committed to increasing police numbers by 20,000?
You understood the question perfectly well.
Why play dumb? not playing dumb a new PM and new HS new policy more police what's not to like?"
Take something away (supported by every minister in government) then give it back again after the intervening stress on the Police force and then expect praise when you put things back.
I guess if you wish to be complicit in your own deceit then you are welcome to it. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Perhaps see if it actually happens 1st.
We are going to hire 50000 new nurses
Actually its more like 30000
We are going to build 30 new hospitals
Well 8 actually
Don't forget the police. 20,000 new officers was the claim. seems her has made a start In total, forces recruited 6,435 officers from November 2019 to March 2020, including recruitment planned before the programme was announced.
How many were cut?you do the maths There are now a total of 131,596 officers, a 5% increase on March 2019
How many were cut before they committed to increasing police numbers by 20,000?
You understood the question perfectly well.
Why play dumb? not playing dumb a new PM and new HS new policy more police what's not to like?
Take something away (supported by every minister in government) then give it back again after the intervening stress on the Police force and then expect praise when you put things back.
I guess if you wish to be complicit in your own deceit then you are welcome to it."
Who is expecting praise where has that been mentioned? .If you read the thread someone said boris promised 20,000 more police i pointed out the rise in police since he was elected PM nothing more its a fact i posted it.You really need to take a look at yourself mate you're like a troll trying to pick an argument on anything i post when there is nothing to argue about. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Perhaps see if it actually happens 1st.
We are going to hire 50000 new nurses
Actually its more like 30000
We are going to build 30 new hospitals
Well 8 actually
Don't forget the police. 20,000 new officers was the claim. seems her has made a start In total, forces recruited 6,435 officers from November 2019 to March 2020, including recruitment planned before the programme was announced.
How many were cut?you do the maths There are now a total of 131,596 officers, a 5% increase on March 2019
How many were cut before they committed to increasing police numbers by 20,000?
You understood the question perfectly well.
Why play dumb? not playing dumb a new PM and new HS new policy more police what's not to like?
Take something away (supported by every minister in government) then give it back again after the intervening stress on the Police force and then expect praise when you put things back.
I guess if you wish to be complicit in your own deceit then you are welcome to it.Who is expecting praise where has that been mentioned? .If you read the thread someone said boris promised 20,000 more police i pointed out the rise in police since he was elected PM nothing more its a fact i posted it.You really need to take a look at yourself mate you're like a troll trying to pick an argument on anything i post when there is nothing to argue about. "
When you start calling me "mate" it usually means that you've lost the argument
You can call me names all you wish. It demonstrates a similar point.
A government run by politicians who voted to sack 20,000+ police officers several years later promises to employ 20,000 police officers.
I am delighted that they are doing so, but they are doing nothing more than fixing a problem that they created.
Stating "as a fact" that they have begun doing this is well observed but tells us nothing about BoJo/Cummings' "new deal" which is apparently reinstating the "old deal" that years have been spent in dismantling. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Perhaps see if it actually happens 1st.
We are going to hire 50000 new nurses
Actually its more like 30000
We are going to build 30 new hospitals
Well 8 actually
Don't forget the police. 20,000 new officers was the claim. seems her has made a start In total, forces recruited 6,435 officers from November 2019 to March 2020, including recruitment planned before the programme was announced.
How many were cut?you do the maths There are now a total of 131,596 officers, a 5% increase on March 2019
How many were cut before they committed to increasing police numbers by 20,000?
You understood the question perfectly well.
Why play dumb? not playing dumb a new PM and new HS new policy more police what's not to like?
Take something away (supported by every minister in government) then give it back again after the intervening stress on the Police force and then expect praise when you put things back.
I guess if you wish to be complicit in your own deceit then you are welcome to it.Who is expecting praise where has that been mentioned? .If you read the thread someone said boris promised 20,000 more police i pointed out the rise in police since he was elected PM nothing more its a fact i posted it.You really need to take a look at yourself mate you're like a troll trying to pick an argument on anything i post when there is nothing to argue about.
When you start calling me "mate" it usually means that you've lost the argument
You can call me names all you wish. It demonstrates a similar point.
A government run by politicians who voted to sack 20,000+ police officers several years later promises to employ 20,000 police officers.
I am delighted that they are doing so, but they are doing nothing more than fixing a problem that they created.
Stating "as a fact" that they have begun doing this is well observed but tells us nothing about BoJo/Cummings' "new deal" which is apparently reinstating the "old deal" that years have been spent in dismantling."
How have i lost the argument there was no argument to have? i stated a fact no more no less its you who is trolling looking to make one.I was not even posting on anything you said you chose to jump in.Glad you can see that boris/cummings as you put it are doing the right thing but dont see how they were dismantling boris was mayor from 2008 to 2016 and not sure cummings had anything to do with it at all as im sure it was boris who brought him in to run his campaign.But heyho why let the truth get in the way . |
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"He's the arsonist who "finds the fire" and calls the fire brigade ,,,,.. That would be the fire brigade who have has their funding cut by " the arsonist " "
Do you mean the mayor who told someone who challenged him at mayoral questions to "get stuffed" when told closing fire stations would kill people? A couple of years before Grenfell? That mayor? |
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State funded projects to provide labour and infrastructure are intrinsically socialist.
And couild just as easily argue that they are long-term capitalist - if you get people working again you get industry making widgets you get profit and you get division in wealth - division in wealth brings distorted power to the profit makers . . . therefore conservative . . .
But then you could also argue that . . .
What's wrong with profit? Profit makes for jobs. Profit makes for taxes. Profit pays your morgage or rent or lease. Profit pays you holiday pay. Profit pays your sickleave. Profit pays your childcare. Profit pays for healthcare. Profit pays for education. Therefore Profit is Socialist . . .
Profit isn't a dirty word. It's a doing word.
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Certainly agree with that. So let's nationalise and put the profit in our pockets, rather than a few people in the City (or foreign governments). |
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"It seems much of this is just bringing forward plans rather than new ones and not a massive increase in expenditure but doing the projects sooner than thought. As others have said will need to wait and see.
Hopefully it will help
When was he planning to do this?
I caught a bit on the car radio on my way home. Apparently many of these announcements are 're announcements only difference is instead of being spread over several years they are going to try and do quicker. Announcing the same thing several times is a well worn politicians thing. As others say let's see
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He's not even doing it all "quicker". The £12b for housing over the next 8 years, was until yesterday allocated to building the same houses over 5 years... |
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State funded projects to provide labour and infrastructure are intrinsically socialist.
And couild just as easily argue that they are long-term capitalist - if you get people working again you get industry making widgets you get profit and you get division in wealth - division in wealth brings distorted power to the profit makers . . . therefore conservative . . .
But then you could also argue that . . .
What's wrong with profit? Profit makes for jobs. Profit makes for taxes. Profit pays your morgage or rent or lease. Profit pays you holiday pay. Profit pays your sickleave. Profit pays your childcare. Profit pays for healthcare. Profit pays for education. Therefore Profit is Socialist . . .
Profit isn't a dirty word. It's a doing word.
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It's not but look where that profit goes.I think the railways were costed so that in 6 years they would be paid for,so that every single penny after that would go back into our economy.
As it stands now the profit goes to foreign companies and shareholders. |
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"It seems much of this is just bringing forward plans rather than new ones and not a massive increase in expenditure but doing the projects sooner than thought. As others have said will need to wait and see.
Hopefully it will help
When was he planning to do this?
I caught a bit on the car radio on my way home. Apparently many of these announcements are 're announcements only difference is instead of being spread over several years they are going to try and do quicker. Announcing the same thing several times is a well worn politicians thing. As others say let's see
He's not even doing it all "quicker". The £12b for housing over the next 8 years, was until yesterday allocated to building the same houses over 5 years..."
Exactly
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/53236921 |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Perhaps see if it actually happens 1st.
We are going to hire 50000 new nurses
Actually its more like 30000
We are going to build 30 new hospitals
Well 8 actually
Don't forget the police. 20,000 new officers was the claim. seems her has made a start In total, forces recruited 6,435 officers from November 2019 to March 2020, including recruitment planned before the programme was announced.
How many were cut?you do the maths There are now a total of 131,596 officers, a 5% increase on March 2019
How many were cut before they committed to increasing police numbers by 20,000?
You understood the question perfectly well.
Why play dumb? not playing dumb a new PM and new HS new policy more police what's not to like?
Take something away (supported by every minister in government) then give it back again after the intervening stress on the Police force and then expect praise when you put things back.
I guess if you wish to be complicit in your own deceit then you are welcome to it.Who is expecting praise where has that been mentioned? .If you read the thread someone said boris promised 20,000 more police i pointed out the rise in police since he was elected PM nothing more its a fact i posted it.You really need to take a look at yourself mate you're like a troll trying to pick an argument on anything i post when there is nothing to argue about.
When you start calling me "mate" it usually means that you've lost the argument
You can call me names all you wish. It demonstrates a similar point.
A government run by politicians who voted to sack 20,000+ police officers several years later promises to employ 20,000 police officers.
I am delighted that they are doing so, but they are doing nothing more than fixing a problem that they created.
Stating "as a fact" that they have begun doing this is well observed but tells us nothing about BoJo/Cummings' "new deal" which is apparently reinstating the "old deal" that years have been spent in dismantling.How have i lost the argument there was no argument to have? i stated a fact no more no less its you who is trolling looking to make one.I was not even posting on anything you said you chose to jump in.Glad you can see that boris/cummings as you put it are doing the right thing but dont see how they were dismantling boris was mayor from 2008 to 2016 and not sure cummings had anything to do with it at all as im sure it was boris who brought him in to run his campaign.But heyho why let the truth get in the way . "
Johnson/Cummings lead a Conservative government.
All of its Ministers voted for Police cuts.
Pretending that there is no connection between the two is a nonsense.
You believe that BoJo only brought Cummings in to run his campaign?
You are the only person who does then.
If that's all he's there for what is he doing attending SAGE meetings and having all Ministers assistants report to him? Why is he having ministerial assistants removed by the Police? Why would Johnson not just sack him when it became politically inconvenient?
Your wilful ignorance becomes more apparent with each post |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Perhaps see if it actually happens 1st.
We are going to hire 50000 new nurses
Actually its more like 30000
We are going to build 30 new hospitals
Well 8 actually
Don't forget the police. 20,000 new officers was the claim. seems her has made a start In total, forces recruited 6,435 officers from November 2019 to March 2020, including recruitment planned before the programme was announced.
How many were cut?you do the maths There are now a total of 131,596 officers, a 5% increase on March 2019
How many were cut before they committed to increasing police numbers by 20,000?
You understood the question perfectly well.
Why play dumb? not playing dumb a new PM and new HS new policy more police what's not to like?
Take something away (supported by every minister in government) then give it back again after the intervening stress on the Police force and then expect praise when you put things back.
I guess if you wish to be complicit in your own deceit then you are welcome to it.Who is expecting praise where has that been mentioned? .If you read the thread someone said boris promised 20,000 more police i pointed out the rise in police since he was elected PM nothing more its a fact i posted it.You really need to take a look at yourself mate you're like a troll trying to pick an argument on anything i post when there is nothing to argue about.
When you start calling me "mate" it usually means that you've lost the argument
You can call me names all you wish. It demonstrates a similar point.
A government run by politicians who voted to sack 20,000+ police officers several years later promises to employ 20,000 police officers.
I am delighted that they are doing so, but they are doing nothing more than fixing a problem that they created.
Stating "as a fact" that they have begun doing this is well observed but tells us nothing about BoJo/Cummings' "new deal" which is apparently reinstating the "old deal" that years have been spent in dismantling.How have i lost the argument there was no argument to have? i stated a fact no more no less its you who is trolling looking to make one.I was not even posting on anything you said you chose to jump in.Glad you can see that boris/cummings as you put it are doing the right thing but dont see how they were dismantling boris was mayor from 2008 to 2016 and not sure cummings had anything to do with it at all as im sure it was boris who brought him in to run his campaign.But heyho why let the truth get in the way .
Johnson/Cummings lead a Conservative government.
All of its Ministers voted for Police cuts.
Pretending that there is no connection between the two is a nonsense.
You believe that BoJo only brought Cummings in to run his campaign?
You are the only person who does then.
If that's all he's there for what is he doing attending SAGE meetings and having all Ministers assistants report to him? Why is he having ministerial assistants removed by the Police? Why would Johnson not just sack him when it became politically inconvenient?
Your wilful ignorance becomes more apparent with each post "
i am saying you are talking absolute bollocks if you think cummings had anything to do with police cuts under Cameron and may and i would love to see your source. |
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"And also 350mill a week to the nhs , it said so on the bus.
Soooooon, we'll be "out out" in December. I'm sure that Brexit Bonus will flood into the NHS then..."
Yes I think it will do that too. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Perhaps see if it actually happens 1st.
We are going to hire 50000 new nurses
Actually its more like 30000
We are going to build 30 new hospitals
Well 8 actually
Don't forget the police. 20,000 new officers was the claim. seems her has made a start In total, forces recruited 6,435 officers from November 2019 to March 2020, including recruitment planned before the programme was announced.
How many were cut?you do the maths There are now a total of 131,596 officers, a 5% increase on March 2019
How many were cut before they committed to increasing police numbers by 20,000?
You understood the question perfectly well.
Why play dumb? not playing dumb a new PM and new HS new policy more police what's not to like?
Take something away (supported by every minister in government) then give it back again after the intervening stress on the Police force and then expect praise when you put things back.
I guess if you wish to be complicit in your own deceit then you are welcome to it.Who is expecting praise where has that been mentioned? .If you read the thread someone said boris promised 20,000 more police i pointed out the rise in police since he was elected PM nothing more its a fact i posted it.You really need to take a look at yourself mate you're like a troll trying to pick an argument on anything i post when there is nothing to argue about.
When you start calling me "mate" it usually means that you've lost the argument
You can call me names all you wish. It demonstrates a similar point.
A government run by politicians who voted to sack 20,000+ police officers several years later promises to employ 20,000 police officers.
I am delighted that they are doing so, but they are doing nothing more than fixing a problem that they created.
Stating "as a fact" that they have begun doing this is well observed but tells us nothing about BoJo/Cummings' "new deal" which is apparently reinstating the "old deal" that years have been spent in dismantling.How have i lost the argument there was no argument to have? i stated a fact no more no less its you who is trolling looking to make one.I was not even posting on anything you said you chose to jump in.Glad you can see that boris/cummings as you put it are doing the right thing but dont see how they were dismantling boris was mayor from 2008 to 2016 and not sure cummings had anything to do with it at all as im sure it was boris who brought him in to run his campaign.But heyho why let the truth get in the way .
Johnson/Cummings lead a Conservative government.
All of its Ministers voted for Police cuts.
Pretending that there is no connection between the two is a nonsense.
You believe that BoJo only brought Cummings in to run his campaign?
You are the only person who does then.
If that's all he's there for what is he doing attending SAGE meetings and having all Ministers assistants report to him? Why is he having ministerial assistants removed by the Police? Why would Johnson not just sack him when it became politically inconvenient?
Your wilful ignorance becomes more apparent with each post i am saying you are talking absolute bollocks if you think cummings had anything to do with police cuts under Cameron and may and i would love to see your source."
I didn't say that Cummings did have anything to do with Police cuts.
He is, however, responsible for trying to brand current spending policy as some great "new deal" when all that is actually happening is reversing the cuts made by the same group of people previously. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"Perhaps see if it actually happens 1st.
We are going to hire 50000 new nurses
Actually its more like 30000
We are going to build 30 new hospitals
Well 8 actually
Don't forget the police. 20,000 new officers was the claim. seems her has made a start In total, forces recruited 6,435 officers from November 2019 to March 2020, including recruitment planned before the programme was announced.
How many were cut?you do the maths There are now a total of 131,596 officers, a 5% increase on March 2019
How many were cut before they committed to increasing police numbers by 20,000?
You understood the question perfectly well.
Why play dumb? not playing dumb a new PM and new HS new policy more police what's not to like?
Take something away (supported by every minister in government) then give it back again after the intervening stress on the Police force and then expect praise when you put things back.
I guess if you wish to be complicit in your own deceit then you are welcome to it.Who is expecting praise where has that been mentioned? .If you read the thread someone said boris promised 20,000 more police i pointed out the rise in police since he was elected PM nothing more its a fact i posted it.You really need to take a look at yourself mate you're like a troll trying to pick an argument on anything i post when there is nothing to argue about.
When you start calling me "mate" it usually means that you've lost the argument
You can call me names all you wish. It demonstrates a similar point.
A government run by politicians who voted to sack 20,000+ police officers several years later promises to employ 20,000 police officers.
I am delighted that they are doing so, but they are doing nothing more than fixing a problem that they created.
Stating "as a fact" that they have begun doing this is well observed but tells us nothing about BoJo/Cummings' "new deal" which is apparently reinstating the "old deal" that years have been spent in dismantling.How have i lost the argument there was no argument to have? i stated a fact no more no less its you who is trolling looking to make one.I was not even posting on anything you said you chose to jump in.Glad you can see that boris/cummings as you put it are doing the right thing but dont see how they were dismantling boris was mayor from 2008 to 2016 and not sure cummings had anything to do with it at all as im sure it was boris who brought him in to run his campaign.But heyho why let the truth get in the way .
Johnson/Cummings lead a Conservative government.
All of its Ministers voted for Police cuts.
Pretending that there is no connection between the two is a nonsense.
You believe that BoJo only brought Cummings in to run his campaign?
You are the only person who does then.
If that's all he's there for what is he doing attending SAGE meetings and having all Ministers assistants report to him? Why is he having ministerial assistants removed by the Police? Why would Johnson not just sack him when it became politically inconvenient?
Your wilful ignorance becomes more apparent with each post i am saying you are talking absolute bollocks if you think cummings had anything to do with police cuts under Cameron and may and i would love to see your source.
I didn't say that Cummings did have anything to do with Police cuts.
He is, however, responsible for trying to brand current spending policy as some great "new deal" when all that is actually happening is reversing the cuts made by the same group of people previously."
so what did you mean by this then?Stating "as a fact" that they have begun doing this is well observed but tells us nothing about BoJo/Cummings' "new deal" which is apparently reinstating the "old deal" that years have been spent in dismantling.Going by your logic that cummings is responsible for everything the government does( which in my opinion is total bollocks) then he should be applauded for the rise in police numbers which in your own words the cuts had nothing to do with him.The simple fact is that police numbers are rising as boris promised true or false? As for my willful ignorance becoming more apparent with each post i suggest you take a look at your own and see how you are trying to take my perfectly true statement and try to turn it into something else.Now tell me have police numbers risen since boris became PM yes or no? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Perhaps see if it actually happens 1st.
We are going to hire 50000 new nurses
Actually its more like 30000
We are going to build 30 new hospitals
Well 8 actually
Don't forget the police. 20,000 new officers was the claim. seems her has made a start In total, forces recruited 6,435 officers from November 2019 to March 2020, including recruitment planned before the programme was announced.
How many were cut?you do the maths There are now a total of 131,596 officers, a 5% increase on March 2019
How many were cut before they committed to increasing police numbers by 20,000?
You understood the question perfectly well.
Why play dumb? not playing dumb a new PM and new HS new policy more police what's not to like?
Take something away (supported by every minister in government) then give it back again after the intervening stress on the Police force and then expect praise when you put things back.
I guess if you wish to be complicit in your own deceit then you are welcome to it.Who is expecting praise where has that been mentioned? .If you read the thread someone said boris promised 20,000 more police i pointed out the rise in police since he was elected PM nothing more its a fact i posted it.You really need to take a look at yourself mate you're like a troll trying to pick an argument on anything i post when there is nothing to argue about.
When you start calling me "mate" it usually means that you've lost the argument
You can call me names all you wish. It demonstrates a similar point.
A government run by politicians who voted to sack 20,000+ police officers several years later promises to employ 20,000 police officers.
I am delighted that they are doing so, but they are doing nothing more than fixing a problem that they created.
Stating "as a fact" that they have begun doing this is well observed but tells us nothing about BoJo/Cummings' "new deal" which is apparently reinstating the "old deal" that years have been spent in dismantling.How have i lost the argument there was no argument to have? i stated a fact no more no less its you who is trolling looking to make one.I was not even posting on anything you said you chose to jump in.Glad you can see that boris/cummings as you put it are doing the right thing but dont see how they were dismantling boris was mayor from 2008 to 2016 and not sure cummings had anything to do with it at all as im sure it was boris who brought him in to run his campaign.But heyho why let the truth get in the way .
Johnson/Cummings lead a Conservative government.
All of its Ministers voted for Police cuts.
Pretending that there is no connection between the two is a nonsense.
You believe that BoJo only brought Cummings in to run his campaign?
You are the only person who does then.
If that's all he's there for what is he doing attending SAGE meetings and having all Ministers assistants report to him? Why is he having ministerial assistants removed by the Police? Why would Johnson not just sack him when it became politically inconvenient?
Your wilful ignorance becomes more apparent with each post i am saying you are talking absolute bollocks if you think cummings had anything to do with police cuts under Cameron and may and i would love to see your source.
I didn't say that Cummings did have anything to do with Police cuts.
He is, however, responsible for trying to brand current spending policy as some great "new deal" when all that is actually happening is reversing the cuts made by the same group of people previously.so what did you mean by this then?Stating "as a fact" that they have begun doing this is well observed but tells us nothing about BoJo/Cummings' "new deal" which is apparently reinstating the "old deal" that years have been spent in dismantling.Going by your logic that cummings is responsible for everything the government does( which in my opinion is total bollocks) then he should be applauded for the rise in police numbers which in your own words the cuts had nothing to do with him.The simple fact is that police numbers are rising as boris promised true or false? As for my willful ignorance becoming more apparent with each post i suggest you take a look at your own and see how you are trying to take my perfectly true statement and try to turn it into something else.Now tell me have police numbers risen since boris became PM yes or no? "
The current administration is not completely new and separate from the previous two.
Everyone except BoJo/Cummings voted for Police cuts.
They are still there.
All that has happened is reversing what the party in power previously did.
Is that a statement of fact?
This is not a "new deal". There is nothing "new" about it.
Well done to BoJo/Cummings doing something about the disaster that the party in government has created but zero points for proclaiming that this is new.
The title of this thread. |
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Everyone except BoJo/Cummings voted for Police cuts.
They are still there.
All that has happened is reversing what the party in power previously did.
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You can't exclude Johnson from that. He became an MP while still Mayor so has voted on every cut since 2015. Before that he was personally responsible for police cuts in London as Mayor. |
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over a year ago
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"so not answering the question then? just going off at a tandem again as usual.Last chance have police numbers risen since boris has become PM?"
You aren't in a position to test me
Yes Police numbers have risen.
Your last chance:
Did the party in power cut Police numbers by a larger amount?
Are MPs who voted to do so in Cabinet now?
Will returning Police numbers to the previous level be doing doing something "new" or be going back to the "old"? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"so not answering the question then? just going off at a tandem again as usual.Last chance have police numbers risen since boris has become PM?
You aren't in a position to test me
Yes Police numbers have risen.
Your last chance:
Did the party in power cut Police numbers by a larger amount?
Are MPs who voted to do so in Cabinet now?
Will returning Police numbers to the previous level be doing doing something "new" or be going back to the "old"?"
You aren't in a position to test me what is that supposed to mean????? glad you finally agree
As for the cabinet that cut police numbers as the most were cut between 2009 and 2016 i would think very few if any of that cabinet are left.The point being the new PM ,HS and chancellor who make the call to cut were not in the cabinet when those decisions were made.Boris said he would raise police numbers in his election manifesto and is doing so.Each elected leader has different priorities which they put forward and people vote on them.Maybe this is why corbyn pushed may very close and got hammered by boris. |
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"so not answering the question then? just going off at a tandem again as usual.Last chance have police numbers risen since boris has become PM?
You aren't in a position to test me
Yes Police numbers have risen.
Your last chance:
Did the party in power cut Police numbers by a larger amount?
Are MPs who voted to do so in Cabinet now?
Will returning Police numbers to the previous level be doing doing something "new" or be going back to the "old"?You aren't in a position to test me what is that supposed to mean????? glad you finally agree
As for the cabinet that cut police numbers as the most were cut between 2009 and 2016 i would think very few if any of that cabinet are left.The point being the new PM ,HS and chancellor who make the call to cut were not in the cabinet when those decisions were made.Boris said he would raise police numbers in his election manifesto and is doing so.Each elected leader has different priorities which they put forward and people vote on them.Maybe this is why corbyn pushed may very close and got hammered by boris. "
Most people vote for the party, not the leader . |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"so not answering the question then? just going off at a tandem again as usual.Last chance have police numbers risen since boris has become PM?
You aren't in a position to test me
Yes Police numbers have risen.
Your last chance:
Did the party in power cut Police numbers by a larger amount?
Are MPs who voted to do so in Cabinet now?
Will returning Police numbers to the previous level be doing doing something "new" or be going back to the "old"?You aren't in a position to test me what is that supposed to mean????? glad you finally agree
As for the cabinet that cut police numbers as the most were cut between 2009 and 2016 i would think very few if any of that cabinet are left.The point being the new PM ,HS and chancellor who make the call to cut were not in the cabinet when those decisions were made.Boris said he would raise police numbers in his election manifesto and is doing so.Each elected leader has different priorities which they put forward and people vote on them.Maybe this is why corbyn pushed may very close and got hammered by boris.
Most people vote for the party, not the leader . "
I never said people voted for the leader i think most people vote on policies which is what i said. |
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"so not answering the question then? just going off at a tandem again as usual.Last chance have police numbers risen since boris has become PM?
You aren't in a position to test me
Yes Police numbers have risen.
Your last chance:
Did the party in power cut Police numbers by a larger amount?
Are MPs who voted to do so in Cabinet now?
Will returning Police numbers to the previous level be doing doing something "new" or be going back to the "old"?You aren't in a position to test me what is that supposed to mean????? glad you finally agree
As for the cabinet that cut police numbers as the most were cut between 2009 and 2016 i would think very few if any of that cabinet are left.The point being the new PM ,HS and chancellor who make the call to cut were not in the cabinet when those decisions were made.Boris said he would raise police numbers in his election manifesto and is doing so.Each elected leader has different priorities which they put forward and people vote on them.Maybe this is why corbyn pushed may very close and got hammered by boris.
Most people vote for the party, not the leader . I never said people voted for the leader i think most people vote on policies which is what i said."
Why did you mention Corbyn getting hammered by Boris then? I think you ment labour getting hammered by the Tories? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"so not answering the question then? just going off at a tandem again as usual.Last chance have police numbers risen since boris has become PM?
You aren't in a position to test me
Yes Police numbers have risen.
Your last chance:
Did the party in power cut Police numbers by a larger amount?
Are MPs who voted to do so in Cabinet now?
Will returning Police numbers to the previous level be doing doing something "new" or be going back to the "old"?You aren't in a position to test me what is that supposed to mean????? glad you finally agree
As for the cabinet that cut police numbers as the most were cut between 2009 and 2016 i would think very few if any of that cabinet are left.The point being the new PM ,HS and chancellor who make the call to cut were not in the cabinet when those decisions were made.Boris said he would raise police numbers in his election manifesto and is doing so.Each elected leader has different priorities which they put forward and people vote on them.Maybe this is why corbyn pushed may very close and got hammered by boris.
Most people vote for the party, not the leader . I never said people voted for the leader i think most people vote on policies which is what i said.
Why did you mention Corbyn getting hammered by Boris then? I think you ment labour getting hammered by the Tories? "
ok my mistake but if you read the whole post i was talking about different priorities sorry i forgot for a moment that you have to be so precise with what you say on here as people love splitting hairs. |
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"so not answering the question then? just going off at a tandem again as usual.Last chance have police numbers risen since boris has become PM?
You aren't in a position to test me
Yes Police numbers have risen.
Your last chance:
Did the party in power cut Police numbers by a larger amount?
Are MPs who voted to do so in Cabinet now?
Will returning Police numbers to the previous level be doing doing something "new" or be going back to the "old"?You aren't in a position to test me what is that supposed to mean????? glad you finally agree
As for the cabinet that cut police numbers as the most were cut between 2009 and 2016 i would think very few if any of that cabinet are left.The point being the new PM ,HS and chancellor who make the call to cut were not in the cabinet when those decisions were made.Boris said he would raise police numbers in his election manifesto and is doing so.Each elected leader has different priorities which they put forward and people vote on them.Maybe this is why corbyn pushed may very close and got hammered by boris.
Most people vote for the party, not the leader . I never said people voted for the leader i think most people vote on policies which is what i said.
Why did you mention Corbyn getting hammered by Boris then? I think you ment labour getting hammered by the Tories? ok my mistake but if you read the whole post i was talking about different priorities sorry i forgot for a moment that you have to be so precise with what you say on here as people love splitting hairs. "
Your mentioned Theresa May as well? Apology accepted though |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"so not answering the question then? just going off at a tandem again as usual.Last chance have police numbers risen since boris has become PM?
You aren't in a position to test me
Yes Police numbers have risen.
Your last chance:
Did the party in power cut Police numbers by a larger amount?
Are MPs who voted to do so in Cabinet now?
Will returning Police numbers to the previous level be doing doing something "new" or be going back to the "old"?You aren't in a position to test me what is that supposed to mean????? glad you finally agree
As for the cabinet that cut police numbers as the most were cut between 2009 and 2016 i would think very few if any of that cabinet are left.The point being the new PM ,HS and chancellor who make the call to cut were not in the cabinet when those decisions were made.Boris said he would raise police numbers in his election manifesto and is doing so.Each elected leader has different priorities which they put forward and people vote on them.Maybe this is why corbyn pushed may very close and got hammered by boris. "
I've already said that Police numbers are increasing.
Why are they so low now?
You really aren't able to write "yes the party in power did cut Police numbers"?
The current Cabinet were MPs and voted for it and supported it. The party as a whole certainly did and has never acknowledged any issue.
Correct?
Is having this many Police officers actually something new from a party that has been in power for this long? |
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Many people said they would not vote labour as They (wrongly )believed they crashed the economy in 2008.
Despite it obviously being ran by a different leader and different policies etc in 2019.
Yet a lifelong tory takes no responsibility for huge cuts, despite being a vocal advocate of them,because he wasnt pm.
Odd. |
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"Many people said they would not vote labour as They (wrongly )believed they crashed the economy in 2008.
Despite it obviously being ran by a different leader and different policies etc in 2019.
Yet a lifelong tory takes no responsibility for huge cuts, despite being a vocal advocate of them,because he wasnt pm.
Odd."
I suppose we’ll be able to blame the tories for the horrible economic situation that we’re going to be in, in the same way as they unashamedly blamed Labour for the 2008 financial crash.
Do you know if they’ve fixed the roof seas shining since 2010?
Is the conservative the party is boom and bust?
How much money left will there be in the coffers when they vacate power?
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"Many people said they would not vote labour as They (wrongly )believed they crashed the economy in 2008.
Despite it obviously being ran by a different leader and different policies etc in 2019.
Yet a lifelong tory takes no responsibility for huge cuts, despite being a vocal advocate of them,because he wasnt pm.
Odd.
I suppose we’ll be able to blame the tories for the horrible economic situation that we’re going to be in, in the same way as they unashamedly blamed Labour for the 2008 financial crash.
Do you know if they’ve fixed the roof seas shining since 2010?
Is the conservative the party is boom and bust?
How much money left will there be in the coffers when they vacate power?
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I've lost count how many times I've heard the line..yeah but imagine Corbyn etc..in the last few months.
Its literally the only defence they have. |
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By *exy7 OP Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
Sorry for the typos ( predictive text) in the original message everyone. Too late to delete it.
I suppose we’ll be able to blame the tories for the horrible economic situation that we’re going to be in, in the same way as they unashamedly blamed Labour for the 2008 financial crash.
Do you know if they’ve fixed the roof when the sun was shining since 2010?
Is the conservative party the party of boom and bust?
How much money left will there be in the coffers when they vacate power? |
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over a year ago
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"Many people said they would not vote labour as They (wrongly )believed they crashed the economy in 2008.
Despite it obviously being ran by a different leader and different policies etc in 2019.
Yet a lifelong tory takes no responsibility for huge cuts, despite being a vocal advocate of them,because he wasnt pm.
Odd."
Your being too kind, it isn’t just odd, it is also pathetic |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Many people said they would not vote labour as They (wrongly )believed they crashed the economy in 2008.
Despite it obviously being ran by a different leader and different policies etc in 2019.
Yet a lifelong tory takes no responsibility for huge cuts, despite being a vocal advocate of them,because he wasnt pm.
Odd."
Not only wasn't he PM he wasnt even an mp when the cuts started in 2009. |
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"Many people said they would not vote labour as They (wrongly )believed they crashed the economy in 2008.
Despite it obviously being ran by a different leader and different policies etc in 2019.
Yet a lifelong tory takes no responsibility for huge cuts, despite being a vocal advocate of them,because he wasnt pm.
Odd.Not only wasn't he PM he wasnt even an mp when the cuts started in 2009. "
I'm.fairly sure since 2015 he has been v critical of them |
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"Many people said they would not vote labour as They (wrongly )believed they crashed the economy in 2008.
Despite it obviously being ran by a different leader and different policies etc in 2019.
Yet a lifelong tory takes no responsibility for huge cuts, despite being a vocal advocate of them,because he wasnt pm.
Odd.Not only wasn't he PM he wasnt even an mp when the cuts started in 2009. "
Is Boris the leader of the Conservative party? Does everything that happened with the conservatives before he became leader become irrelevant? Does the same apply to Kier Starmer and the Labour Party?? |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"so not answering the question then? just going off at a tandem again as usual.Last chance have police numbers risen since boris has become PM?
You aren't in a position to test me
Yes Police numbers have risen.
Your last chance:
Did the party in power cut Police numbers by a larger amount?
Are MPs who voted to do so in Cabinet now?
Will returning Police numbers to the previous level be doing doing something "new" or be going back to the "old"?You aren't in a position to test me what is that supposed to mean????? glad you finally agree
As for the cabinet that cut police numbers as the most were cut between 2009 and 2016 i would think very few if any of that cabinet are left.The point being the new PM ,HS and chancellor who make the call to cut were not in the cabinet when those decisions were made.Boris said he would raise police numbers in his election manifesto and is doing so.Each elected leader has different priorities which they put forward and people vote on them.Maybe this is why corbyn pushed may very close and got hammered by boris.
I've already said that Police numbers are increasing.
Why are they so low now?
You really aren't able to write "yes the party in power did cut Police numbers"?
The current Cabinet were MPs and voted for it and supported it. The party as a whole certainly did and has never acknowledged any issue.
Correct?
Is having this many Police officers actually something new from a party that has been in power for this long?"
well thats good then we have finally got there you agree ,there was no need for all the whataboutery.I made a simple statement that police numbers were rising and its taken about 100 posts for you to agree without whatabout this whatabout that and all from a man who usually jumps on people who deviate from the post. |
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"Many people said they would not vote labour as They (wrongly )believed they crashed the economy in 2008.
Despite it obviously being ran by a different leader and different policies etc in 2019.
Yet a lifelong tory takes no responsibility for huge cuts, despite being a vocal advocate of them,because he wasnt pm.
Odd.Not only wasn't he PM he wasnt even an mp when the cuts started in 2009. "
He was Mayor of London cutting the police numbers personally, not just voting to cut their budgets. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Many people said they would not vote labour as They (wrongly )believed they crashed the economy in 2008.
Despite it obviously being ran by a different leader and different policies etc in 2019.
Yet a lifelong tory takes no responsibility for huge cuts, despite being a vocal advocate of them,because he wasnt pm.
Odd.Not only wasn't he PM he wasnt even an mp when the cuts started in 2009.
He was Mayor of London cutting the police numbers personally, not just voting to cut their budgets. "
try using fullfacts instead of just guessing. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"so not answering the question then? just going off at a tandem again as usual.Last chance have police numbers risen since boris has become PM?
You aren't in a position to test me
Yes Police numbers have risen.
Your last chance:
Did the party in power cut Police numbers by a larger amount?
Are MPs who voted to do so in Cabinet now?
Will returning Police numbers to the previous level be doing doing something "new" or be going back to the "old"?You aren't in a position to test me what is that supposed to mean????? glad you finally agree
As for the cabinet that cut police numbers as the most were cut between 2009 and 2016 i would think very few if any of that cabinet are left.The point being the new PM ,HS and chancellor who make the call to cut were not in the cabinet when those decisions were made.Boris said he would raise police numbers in his election manifesto and is doing so.Each elected leader has different priorities which they put forward and people vote on them.Maybe this is why corbyn pushed may very close and got hammered by boris.
I've already said that Police numbers are increasing.
Why are they so low now?
You really aren't able to write "yes the party in power did cut Police numbers"?
The current Cabinet were MPs and voted for it and supported it. The party as a whole certainly did and has never acknowledged any issue.
Correct?
Is having this many Police officers actually something new from a party that has been in power for this long?well thats good then we have finally got there you agree ,there was no need for all the whataboutery.I made a simple statement that police numbers were rising and its taken about 100 posts for you to agree without whatabout this whatabout that and all from a man who usually jumps on people who deviate from the post. "
You are really suffering in lockdown aren't you?
Remember this several posts ago?
"Last chance have police numbers risen since boris has become PM?
You aren't in a position to test me
Yes Police numbers have risen."
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Many people said they would not vote labour as They (wrongly )believed they crashed the economy in 2008.
Despite it obviously being ran by a different leader and different policies etc in 2019.
Yet a lifelong tory takes no responsibility for huge cuts, despite being a vocal advocate of them,because he wasnt pm.
Odd.Not only wasn't he PM he wasnt even an mp when the cuts started in 2009.
He was Mayor of London cutting the police numbers personally, not just voting to cut their budgets. try using fullfacts instead of just guessing. "
I guess that you should:
"Broadly speaking, during Boris Johnson’s time as Mayor (2008 to 2016), police officer numbers rose, then fell, then rose again, then started falling again. Using comparable figures for 31 March each year, there were more officers around the time Mr Johnson stopped being Mayor (around 32,100) than when he began (around 31,500).
But as we’ve mentioned before, starting the clock in 2008 isn’t necessarily the best measure of Mr Johnson’s tenure. Mr Johnson’s first actual budget as Mayor was in February 2009, covering the 2009/10 financial year. The previous budget – including funding for the police in London - was set by his predecessor, Ken Livingstone.
Not only that, it also takes time to recruit and train officers, so it can take time before the effects of a new administration are felt.
The time you choose to start counting from changes everything.
If you compare police numbers from a year or two into Mr Johnson’s tenure, to a year or two after he left, then the number of officers fell. The Labour Party told us this was essentially the way they calculated their figures which informed Ms Haigh’s claim." |
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