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over a year ago
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Can't be true we was told by all the intelligent people who voted remain, we would be eating washed chicken out of our begging bowls. All companies was moving to Europe. |
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"Can't be true we was told by all the intelligent people who voted remain, we would be eating washed chicken out of our begging bowls. All companies was moving to Europe. "
If Unilever stay here that is good news. Odd that you should bring up the chicken to support your view in the week that it's being pushed through.
How do you feel about Nissan and Sunderland? |
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"Can't be true we was told by all the intelligent people who voted remain, we would be eating washed chicken out of our begging bowls. All companies was moving to Europe.
If Unilever stay here that is good news. Odd that you should bring up the chicken to support your view in the week that it's being pushed through.
How do you feel about Nissan and Sunderland?"
I work in the supply chain relating to Nissan. It was great news for Sunderland but terrible news for Barcelona whome I work with. It's not easy consoling my Spanish colleagues and friends especially after they was told they were safe and Sunderland would close or at best scale back big time |
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"But the no deal that's coming will close the Sunderland factory."
Sadly for my colleagues the Barcelona plant is being closed instead.
I worked at Nissan directly during the brexit ref/ follow up. We got emails and press releases all the time about Sunderland. If UK votes to leave they will close. Then if article 50 is triggered they will close, then if the withdrawal bill goes through they will close. All the time they are pumping billions into it. No one can know for sure the future but as said sadly the good people in Barcelona know all to well. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"But the no deal that's coming will close the Sunderland factory."
Maybe it will maybe it wont , maybe there will be a deal mabye there wont but up to now most of the doom merchants' predictions have not happened, how about some positivity, success comes to those who work the hardest.
Far too many UK citizens and media appear to want the UK to fail so they can say "I told you so ". They jump on any sliver of bad news but never promote the good |
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"But the no deal that's coming will close the Sunderland factory.
Maybe it will maybe it wont , maybe there will be a deal mabye there wont but up to now most of the doom merchants' predictions have not happened, how about some positivity, success comes to those who work the hardest.
Far too many UK citizens and media appear to want the UK to fail so they can say "I told you so ". They jump on any sliver of bad news but never promote the good"
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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I commented some time ago about the proposed move of Unilever HQ to Rotterdam.
The bottom line was, and still is, Dutch tax laws and takeover protocols made it a very risky decision indeed. I'm not sure what's changed Unilever's mind but it's certainly welcome news for the UK. |
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"Far too many UK citizens and media appear to want the UK to fail so they can say "I told you so ". They jump on any sliver of bad news but never promote the good"
Good news is always welcome. Unfortunately this government is made up of liars, thieves, charlatans and sycophants so I automatically assume the worst.
I've asked this a few times but none of you can ever provide an answer.
Give me a benefit of brexit. How is my life going to improve? How is leaving the EU going to make things better? I'm serious, I don't want to spend my days worried about the future. I want your positivity and optimism. I just need evidence that it's not misplaced. I've been asking for 4 years, any answers? |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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"Far too many UK citizens and media appear to want the UK to fail so they can say "I told you so ". They jump on any sliver of bad news but never promote the good
Good news is always welcome. Unfortunately this government is made up of liars, thieves, charlatans and sycophants so I automatically assume the worst.
I've asked this a few times but none of you can ever provide an answer.
Give me a benefit of brexit. How is my life going to improve? How is leaving the EU going to make things better? I'm serious, I don't want to spend my days worried about the future. I want your positivity and optimism. I just need evidence that it's not misplaced. I've been asking for 4 years, any answers? "
Its been answered many times but it for those who missed it.
I dont want to be part of a european super state, I dont want an EU army, an eu tax and fiscal policy, I want our politicians in Westminster to run this country so WE can kick them out and ge change.
Now please dont say none of this is happening or planned, if you dont believe it just look it up, it will takes seconds to find all those at the top of the EU who want all these things.
The UK alone in the EU were given a chance to vote on the future and the majority decided they didnt want it. AS to the future it will be what we make it those that want it to be good will make it good |
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"Far too many UK citizens and media appear to want the UK to fail so they can say "I told you so ". They jump on any sliver of bad news but never promote the good
Good news is always welcome. Unfortunately this government is made up of liars, thieves, charlatans and sycophants so I automatically assume the worst.
I've asked this a few times but none of you can ever provide an answer.
Give me a benefit of brexit. How is my life going to improve? How is leaving the EU going to make things better? I'm serious, I don't want to spend my days worried about the future. I want your positivity and optimism. I just need evidence that it's not misplaced. I've been asking for 4 years, any answers? "
Sadly your assumptions about governments are close to the mark and even worse its all governments not just this one.
I wish I knew how things will pan out in the future. We can only go on what actually happens like unilever choosing the UK and Nissan choosing UK over Spain. I prefer to see the facts in action rather than predictions and speculation but that's just me |
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Same vague answer, with things we had veto over. And re-entry won't come with that power of veto still available. Fiscal policy? We have a different currency. All I see is the economy tanking for 20+ years and my travel is now restricted. And possible collapse of the Good Friday Agreement. All because you fell for a fuckload of lies. |
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"Same vague answer, with things we had veto over. And re-entry won't come with that power of veto still available. Fiscal policy? We have a different currency. All I see is the economy tanking for 20+ years and my travel is now restricted. And possible collapse of the Good Friday Agreement. All because you fell for a fuckload of lies."
your happy about unilever and Nissan I hope
The poster gave their views on it and did not seem vague. We all have our opinions and as said only in the future can we look back and see what was right or not. |
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your happy about unilever and Nissan I hope
The poster gave their views on it and did not seem vague. We all have our opinions and as said only in the future can we look back and see what was right or not. "
Unilever is great news but Nissan is very unlikely. We all know no-deal was the plan all along and we now know that will cripple Sunderland. |
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"Far too many UK citizens and media appear to want the UK to fail so they can say "I told you so ". They jump on any sliver of bad news but never promote the good
Good news is always welcome. Unfortunately this government is made up of liars, thieves, charlatans and sycophants so I automatically assume the worst.
I've asked this a few times but none of you can ever provide an answer.
Give me a benefit of brexit. How is my life going to improve? How is leaving the EU going to make things better? I'm serious, I don't want to spend my days worried about the future. I want your positivity and optimism. I just need evidence that it's not misplaced. I've been asking for 4 years, any answers?
Its been answered many times but it for those who missed it.
I dont want to be part of a european super state, I dont want an EU army, an eu tax and fiscal policy, I want our politicians in Westminster to run this country so WE can kick them out and ge change.
Now please dont say none of this is happening or planned, if you dont believe it just look it up, it will takes seconds to find all those at the top of the EU who want all these things.
The UK alone in the EU were given a chance to vote on the future and the majority decided they didnt want it. AS to the future it will be what we make it those that want it to be good will make it good "
We had power of veto
Is there an eu army now?
We decided to not be in the euro
European mps are elected
This notion that Europe told us what to do is a complete fairytale.
I said it last week it's been 3 years and I'm still yet to hear 1 concrete benefit of leaving the EU.
Still its done now so let's see if it turns out to be the magical fairytale we were promised.
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your happy about unilever and Nissan I hope
The poster gave their views on it and did not seem vague. We all have our opinions and as said only in the future can we look back and see what was right or not.
Unilever is great news but Nissan is very unlikely. We all know no-deal was the plan all along and we now know that will cripple Sunderland."
Tell that to the people at Nissan Barcelona but don't take too long about it or you will miss them. As said before see what actually happens not speculation |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"Same vague answer, with things we had veto over. And re-entry won't come with that power of veto still available. Fiscal policy? We have a different currency. All I see is the economy tanking for 20+ years and my travel is now restricted. And possible collapse of the Good Friday Agreement. All because you fell for a fuckload of lies."
What was vague about my answers, all those things are aims publically stated by many at the top of the EU, just because we have a veto doesnt mean it will be used, remember the vote on the Mastricht treaty, oh yes there wasnt one despite the promise. So your three examples are fact ? look pretty vague to me just like project fear, from where Im standing its you who fell for the lies |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"Far too many UK citizens and media appear to want the UK to fail so they can say "I told you so ". They jump on any sliver of bad news but never promote the good
Good news is always welcome. Unfortunately this government is made up of liars, thieves, charlatans and sycophants so I automatically assume the worst.
I've asked this a few times but none of you can ever provide an answer.
Give me a benefit of brexit. How is my life going to improve? How is leaving the EU going to make things better? I'm serious, I don't want to spend my days worried about the future. I want your positivity and optimism. I just need evidence that it's not misplaced. I've been asking for 4 years, any answers?
Its been answered many times but it for those who missed it.
I dont want to be part of a european super state, I dont want an EU army, an eu tax and fiscal policy, I want our politicians in Westminster to run this country so WE can kick them out and ge change.
Now please dont say none of this is happening or planned, if you dont believe it just look it up, it will takes seconds to find all those at the top of the EU who want all these things.
The UK alone in the EU were given a chance to vote on the future and the majority decided they didnt want it. AS to the future it will be what we make it those that want it to be good will make it good
We had power of veto
Is there an eu army now?
We decided to not be in the euro
European mps are elected
This notion that Europe told us what to do is a complete fairytale.
I said it last week it's been 3 years and I'm still yet to hear 1 concrete benefit of leaving the EU.
Still its done now so let's see if it turns out to be the magical fairytale we were promised.
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It would ony take one euro loving government to change that and the country decided not to chance it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"But the no deal that's coming will close the Sunderland factory.
Maybe it will maybe it wont , maybe there will be a deal mabye there wont but up to now most of the doom merchants' predictions have not happened, how about some positivity, success comes to those who work the hardest.
Far too many UK citizens and media appear to want the UK to fail so they can say "I told you so ". They jump on any sliver of bad news but never promote the good"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Far too many UK citizens and media appear to want the UK to fail so they can say "I told you so ". They jump on any sliver of bad news but never promote the good
Good news is always welcome. Unfortunately this government is made up of liars, thieves, charlatans and sycophants so I automatically assume the worst.
I've asked this a few times but none of you can ever provide an answer.
Give me a benefit of brexit. How is my life going to improve? How is leaving the EU going to make things better? I'm serious, I don't want to spend my days worried about the future. I want your positivity and optimism. I just need evidence that it's not misplaced. I've been asking for 4 years, any answers?
Its been answered many times but it for those who missed it.
I dont want to be part of a european super state, I dont want an EU army, an eu tax and fiscal policy, I want our politicians in Westminster to run this country so WE can kick them out and ge change.
Now please dont say none of this is happening or planned, if you dont believe it just look it up, it will takes seconds to find all those at the top of the EU who want all these things.
The UK alone in the EU were given a chance to vote on the future and the majority decided they didnt want it. AS to the future it will be what we make it those that want it to be good will make it good
We had power of veto
Is there an eu army now?
We decided to not be in the euro
European mps are elected
This notion that Europe told us what to do is a complete fairytale.
I said it last week it's been 3 years and I'm still yet to hear 1 concrete benefit of leaving the EU.
Still its done now so let's see if it turns out to be the magical fairytale we were promised.
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yeah we did have a veto but fat lot of good it was without political willpower to use it, no matter what the people wanted, and would a veto by us have stopped anything or would the other 20 odd nations overrule it and carry on? No army yet but it's been clearly stated many times that is the future vision for sure. |
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"Same vague answer, with things we had veto over. And re-entry won't come with that power of veto still available. Fiscal policy? We have a different currency. All I see is the economy tanking for 20+ years and my travel is now restricted. And possible collapse of the Good Friday Agreement. All because you fell for a fuckload of lies.
What was vague about my answers, all those things are aims publically stated by many at the top of the EU, just because we have a veto doesnt mean it will be used, remember the vote on the Mastricht treaty, oh yes there wasnt one despite the promise. So your three examples are fact ? look pretty vague to me just like project fear, from where Im standing its you who fell for the lies"
All impartial economic forecasts show the economy going down the pan, my travel HAS been restricted (you did that, thanks), there is now a border in the Irish Sea despite the video of Johnson telling opeople to throw there forms in the bin. Not vague.
And since you think statues of Islamic idols should be destroyed, I think we can file your opinions and sources alongside Karen of Facebook. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
"Same vague answer, with things we had veto over. And re-entry won't come with that power of veto still available. Fiscal policy? We have a different currency. All I see is the economy tanking for 20+ years and my travel is now restricted. And possible collapse of the Good Friday Agreement. All because you fell for a fuckload of lies.
What was vague about my answers, all those things are aims publically stated by many at the top of the EU, just because we have a veto doesnt mean it will be used, remember the vote on the Mastricht treaty, oh yes there wasnt one despite the promise. So your three examples are fact ? look pretty vague to me just like project fear, from where Im standing its you who fell for the lies
All impartial economic forecasts show the economy going down the pan, my travel HAS been restricted (you did that, thanks), there is now a border in the Irish Sea despite the video of Johnson telling opeople to throw there forms in the bin. Not vague.
And since you think statues of Islamic idols should be destroyed, I think we can file your opinions and sources alongside Karen of Facebook."
How many of those forecasts have come to pass, must have missed that immediate recession, rising unemployment, etc etc, Ive not had any retrictions placed on my travel perhaps you cant afford to pay your way abroad so wouldnt have been able to go anyway,those that can afford to will still be able to, you know just like we travel to OZ or NZ or the States, of course like most sore remainers you soon resort to the good old insults. |
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How many of those forecasts have come to pass, must have missed that immediate recession, rising unemployment, etc etc, Ive not had any retrictions placed on my travel perhaps you cant afford to pay your way abroad so wouldnt have been able to go anyway,those that can afford to will still be able to, you know just like we travel to OZ or NZ or the States, of course like most sore remainers you soon resort to the good old insults. "
Forecast: The future
Travel: End of this year. Need visas, different queue at the airport. (you're like those Benidorm expats who don't like the Spanish)
I notice you've shut up about Ireland. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
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How many of those forecasts have come to pass, must have missed that immediate recession, rising unemployment, etc etc, Ive not had any retrictions placed on my travel perhaps you cant afford to pay your way abroad so wouldnt have been able to go anyway,those that can afford to will still be able to, you know just like we travel to OZ or NZ or the States, of course like most sore remainers you soon resort to the good old insults.
Forecast: The future
Travel: End of this year. Need visas, different queue at the airport. (you're like those Benidorm expats who don't like the Spanish)
I notice you've shut up about Ireland."
will only need visas if you want to stay beyond 90 days, cant speak for all airports but often the non eu line is much smaller, and some have said we will continue to use the same lane in anycase, not sure what youre on about re Ireland.
Time for kip, enjoy your misery |
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How many of those forecasts have come to pass, must have missed that immediate recession, rising unemployment, etc etc, Ive not had any retrictions placed on my travel perhaps you cant afford to pay your way abroad so wouldnt have been able to go anyway,those that can afford to will still be able to, you know just like we travel to OZ or NZ or the States, of course like most sore remainers you soon resort to the good old insults.
Forecast: The future
Travel: End of this year. Need visas, different queue at the airport. (you're like those Benidorm expats who don't like the Spanish)
I notice you've shut up about Ireland.
will only need visas if you want to stay beyond 90 days, cant speak for all airports but often the non eu line is much smaller, and some have said we will continue to use the same lane in anycase, not sure what youre on about re Ireland.
Time for kip, enjoy your misery "
Good Friday Agreement. Border in the Irish Sea. Boris Johnson's lies may restart a civil war. not a major thing at all. Enjoy your sleep Karen. |
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How many of those forecasts have come to pass, must have missed that immediate recession, rising unemployment, etc etc, Ive not had any retrictions placed on my travel perhaps you cant afford to pay your way abroad so wouldnt have been able to go anyway,those that can afford to will still be able to, you know just like we travel to OZ or NZ or the States, of course like most sore remainers you soon resort to the good old insults.
Forecast: The future
Travel: End of this year. Need visas, different queue at the airport. (you're like those Benidorm expats who don't like the Spanish)
I notice you've shut up about Ireland.
will only need visas if you want to stay beyond 90 days, cant speak for all airports but often the non eu line is much smaller, and some have said we will continue to use the same lane in anycase, not sure what youre on about re Ireland.
Time for kip, enjoy your misery "
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Surely this is happening tax efficiency purposes only. No jobs are being created or lost anywhere. If a lot companies do this it will tell us that post brexit we are heading for a low tax /low wage economy. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Surely this is happening tax efficiency purposes only. No jobs are being created or lost anywhere. If a lot companies do this it will tell us that post brexit we are heading for a low tax /low wage economy. "
I don't know if more jobs will be created or not but its certainly going to help secure the ones already in the UK. A while back people were saying they are moving the HQ to the Netherlands and thousands of jobs will be lost now they are not after all so jobs saved |
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"Surely this is happening tax efficiency purposes only. No jobs are being created or lost anywhere. If a lot companies do this it will tell us that post brexit we are heading for a low tax /low wage economy.
I don't know if more jobs will be created or not but its certainly going to help secure the ones already in the UK. A while back people were saying they are moving the HQ to the Netherlands and thousands of jobs will be lost now they are not after all so jobs saved"
I think unilever was always a pretty unique case. Having your HQ nominally in a certain country doesn't mean a lot, apart from paying the majority of your tax in that country. They are keeping the old HQ in netherlands open so they can easily switch back if it is tax advantageous. Lots companys move their hqs frequently. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"Surely this is happening tax efficiency purposes only. No jobs are being created or lost anywhere. If a lot companies do this it will tell us that post brexit we are heading for a low tax /low wage economy.
I don't know if more jobs will be created or not but its certainly going to help secure the ones already in the UK. A while back people were saying they are moving the HQ to the Netherlands and thousands of jobs will be lost now they are not after all so jobs saved
I think unilever was always a pretty unique case. Having your HQ nominally in a certain country doesn't mean a lot, apart from paying the majority of your tax in that country. They are keeping the old HQ in netherlands open so they can easily switch back if it is tax advantageous. Lots companys move their hqs frequently."
If it went the other way people would be saying its massive. This time its gone to the UK so surely good news and as you say they will be paying their tax in the UK as well as their 6000 employees in the UK. Nothing unique about that. As its a union between UK and Dutch companies it makes sense to keep a branch in the neatherlands |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"But the no deal that's coming will close the Sunderland factory.
Maybe it will maybe it wont , maybe there will be a deal mabye there wont but up to now most of the doom merchants' predictions have not happened, how about some positivity, success comes to those who work the hardest.
Far too many UK citizens and media appear to want the UK to fail so they can say "I told you so ". They jump on any sliver of bad news but never promote the good"
What do you mean ‘maybe’. We were promised a great deal by Boris and vote leave so anything less is failure? |
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"Same vague answer, with things we had veto over. And re-entry won't come with that power of veto still available. Fiscal policy? We have a different currency. All I see is the economy tanking for 20+ years and my travel is now restricted. And possible collapse of the Good Friday Agreement. All because you fell for a fuckload of lies.
What was vague about my answers, all those things are aims publically stated by many at the top of the EU, just because we have a veto doesnt mean it will be used, remember the vote on the Mastricht treaty, oh yes there wasnt one despite the promise. So your three examples are fact ? look pretty vague to me just like project fear, from where Im standing its you who fell for the lies"
You seriously believe the eu would make the british gmnt do something it didnt agree with,even though we had the power of veto?
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"Same vague answer, with things we had veto over. And re-entry won't come with that power of veto still available. Fiscal policy? We have a different currency. All I see is the economy tanking for 20+ years and my travel is now restricted. And possible collapse of the Good Friday Agreement. All because you fell for a fuckload of lies.
What was vague about my answers, all those things are aims publically stated by many at the top of the EU, just because we have a veto doesnt mean it will be used, remember the vote on the Mastricht treaty, oh yes there wasnt one despite the promise. So your three examples are fact ? look pretty vague to me just like project fear, from where Im standing its you who fell for the lies
You seriously believe the eu would make the british gmnt do something it didnt agree with,even though we had the power of veto?
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Interesting decision by this massive multinational corporation...."
The change is due to demands from institutional investors based in London as it would have significantly devalued the capitalisation of the London Stock Exchange if it relocates elsewhere.
The fact that there will be no dividend withholding tax payable in the UK might be a consideration though
No change in staff or investment. No obvious benefit to anyone except in a lower tax liability for shareholders.
That is not inherently good for the business. It's not necessarily bad either. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Interesting decision by this massive multinational corporation....
The change is due to demands from institutional investors based in London as it would have significantly devalued the capitalisation of the London Stock Exchange if it relocates elsewhere.
The fact that there will be no dividend withholding tax payable in the UK might be a consideration though
No change in staff or investment. No obvious benefit to anyone except in a lower tax liability for shareholders.
That is not inherently good for the business. It's not necessarily bad either."
If they had moved I expect jobs would have been lost and would be splashed all over here and other places. Fact is they stay in UK so no jobs lost maybe some created. Surely it's good news |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Interesting decision by this massive multinational corporation....
The change is due to demands from institutional investors based in London as it would have significantly devalued the capitalisation of the London Stock Exchange if it relocates elsewhere.
The fact that there will be no dividend withholding tax payable in the UK might be a consideration though
No change in staff or investment. No obvious benefit to anyone except in a lower tax liability for shareholders.
That is not inherently good for the business. It's not necessarily bad either.
If they had moved I expect jobs would have been lost and would be splashed all over here and other places. Fact is they stay in UK so no jobs lost maybe some created. Surely it's good news"
Not to remainers mate it doesnt fit in with their mantra that the uk is fucked without the eu.  |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Interesting decision by this massive multinational corporation....
The change is due to demands from institutional investors based in London as it would have significantly devalued the capitalisation of the London Stock Exchange if it relocates elsewhere.
The fact that there will be no dividend withholding tax payable in the UK might be a consideration though
No change in staff or investment. No obvious benefit to anyone except in a lower tax liability for shareholders.
That is not inherently good for the business. It's not necessarily bad either.
If they had moved I expect jobs would have been lost and would be splashed all over here and other places. Fact is they stay in UK so no jobs lost maybe some created. Surely it's good news"
The original decision to relocate the HQ to the Netherlands was one made by the company for business reasons.
The decision to relocate to the UK only was driven by institutional shareholders for their own tax reasons.
There would also be a significant effect on the market capitalisation of the London Stock Exchange which also effects the business of institutional investors.
I did not say it was bad news. I indicated the reasoning behind it and who stands to gain the most. |
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"Interesting decision by this massive multinational corporation....
The change is due to demands from institutional investors based in London as it would have significantly devalued the capitalisation of the London Stock Exchange if it relocates elsewhere.
The fact that there will be no dividend withholding tax payable in the UK might be a consideration though
No change in staff or investment. No obvious benefit to anyone except in a lower tax liability for shareholders.
That is not inherently good for the business. It's not necessarily bad either.
If they had moved I expect jobs would have been lost and would be splashed all over here and other places. Fact is they stay in UK so no jobs lost maybe some created. Surely it's good news"
You are right it would have been headline news in some papers if it was the other way round. But either way it is pretty irrelevance apart from a possible slight increase in tax take for the government, probably temporary. Nothing to do with us being in or out of the EU |
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Unilever are one of the biggest plastic polluters in the world! they won't move to Europe because they now have a single use plastics ban...it'll hit them hard financially to adapt/change all those billions upon billions of plastic packaging.
So they've chose to remain in countries who don't give a damn about plastic waste policies, despite the overwhelming evidence of its problems to the whole world's ecosystems to the point we are now eating micro plastics like the other species.
Don't invest in polluters, your just making the situation worse, giving the top 1% more money & more free rein to do as they like regardless of circumstances to any one or any thing else.
Your shares will be worth nothing when they all feck off to space & leave the rest of us to rot on a dying planet. |
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"Unilever are one of the biggest plastic polluters in the world! they won't move to Europe because they now have a single use plastics ban...it'll hit them hard financially to adapt/change all those billions upon billions of plastic packaging.
So they've chose to remain in countries who don't give a damn about plastic waste policies, despite the overwhelming evidence of its problems to the whole world's ecosystems to the point we are now eating micro plastics like the other species.
Don't invest in polluters, your just making the situation worse, giving the top 1% more money & more free rein to do as they like regardless of circumstances to any one or any thing else.
Your shares will be worth nothing when they all feck off to space & leave the rest of us to rot on a dying planet. "
Your reasons seem to be completely different to those mentioned by Easyuk. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Unilever are one of the biggest plastic polluters in the world! they won't move to Europe because they now have a single use plastics ban...it'll hit them hard financially to adapt/change all those billions upon billions of plastic packaging.
So they've chose to remain in countries who don't give a damn about plastic waste policies, despite the overwhelming evidence of its problems to the whole world's ecosystems to the point we are now eating micro plastics like the other species.
Don't invest in polluters, your just making the situation worse, giving the top 1% more money & more free rein to do as they like regardless of circumstances to any one or any thing else.
Your shares will be worth nothing when they all feck off to space & leave the rest of us to rot on a dying planet.
Your reasons seem to be completely different to those mentioned by Easyuk."
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Can't be true we was told by all the intelligent people who voted remain, we would be eating washed chicken out of our begging bowls. All companies was moving to Europe. "
Proves remoaners,so called experts and the guardian are biased liars at best and all totally stupid.These people have the cheek to call Boris a lier,they are discusting
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Unilever are one of the biggest plastic polluters in the world! they won't move to Europe because they now have a single use plastics ban...it'll hit them hard financially to adapt/change all those billions upon billions of plastic packaging.
So they've chose to remain in countries who don't give a damn about plastic waste policies, despite the overwhelming evidence of its problems to the whole world's ecosystems to the point we are now eating micro plastics like the other species.
Don't invest in polluters, your just making the situation worse, giving the top 1% more money & more free rein to do as they like regardless of circumstances to any one or any thing else.
Your shares will be worth nothing when they all feck off to space & leave the rest of us to rot on a dying planet.
Your reasons seem to be completely different to those mentioned by Easyuk."
That's allowed isn't it?
It's also possible that the logic is true, but manufacturing legislation is based on the country of manufacture and there is no indication of this being moved to the UK. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Can't be true we was told by all the intelligent people who voted remain, we would be eating washed chicken out of our begging bowls. All companies was moving to Europe. Proves remoaners,so called experts and the guardian are biased liars at best and all totally stupid.These people have the cheek to call Boris a lier,they are discusting"
It doesn't actually "prove" anything does it?
Boris is a proven liar though isn't he? He has, in fact, been sacked twice for doing so, right? |
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"Unilever are one of the biggest plastic polluters in the world! they won't move to Europe because they now have a single use plastics ban...it'll hit them hard financially to adapt/change all those billions upon billions of plastic packaging.
So they've chose to remain in countries who don't give a damn about plastic waste policies, despite the overwhelming evidence of its problems to the whole world's ecosystems to the point we are now eating micro plastics like the other species.
Don't invest in polluters, your just making the situation worse, giving the top 1% more money & more free rein to do as they like regardless of circumstances to any one or any thing else.
Your shares will be worth nothing when they all feck off to space & leave the rest of us to rot on a dying planet.
Your reasons seem to be completely different to those mentioned by Easyuk.
That's allowed isn't it?
It's also possible that the logic is true, but manufacturing legislation is based on the country of manufacture and there is no indication of this being moved to the UK."
I may be misunderstanding but what I read from _eoeclipse is that they will manufacture in the UK because of low standards or as they say don't give a damm about plastic waste. You seem to be saying they are not moving manufacturing to the UK. So no both can't be true |
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"Unilever are one of the biggest plastic polluters in the world! they won't move to Europe because they now have a single use plastics ban...it'll hit them hard financially to adapt/change all those billions upon billions of plastic packaging.
So they've chose to remain in countries who don't give a damn about plastic waste policies, despite the overwhelming evidence of its problems to the whole world's ecosystems to the point we are now eating micro plastics like the other species.
Don't invest in polluters, your just making the situation worse, giving the top 1% more money & more free rein to do as they like regardless of circumstances to any one or any thing else.
Your shares will be worth nothing when they all feck off to space & leave the rest of us to rot on a dying planet.
Your reasons seem to be completely different to those mentioned by Easyuk.
That's allowed isn't it?
It's also possible that the logic is true, but manufacturing legislation is based on the country of manufacture and there is no indication of this being moved to the UK."
It is allowed because as you state it's based on the countries of manufacture which allows companies to use child labour, pollute water ways and spit out as much co2 as they like. They keep manufacturing in these countries for a reason....some countries are post empire, poverty is high in these countries, lower life standards for most & often governments corrupt by business lobbying.
Plastic isn't totally banned anywhere, their bottles and water is found everywhere around the world all for what....silky hair in the consumer & profits to the 1% hmm.
The foreign manufacturing system is modern slavery, it's not white people being exposed to these shitty conditions that manufacturing countries face & in buying or investing in them, we're not only saying its okay to behave like that but condoning it.
It's time for people to change how & where they spend their money and put their skills to those companies thriving to make change for the better globally, since even working for them is supporting their systems.
It's a very large circular problem that needs changing. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Can't be true we was told by all the intelligent people who voted remain, we would be eating washed chicken out of our begging bowls. All companies was moving to Europe. Proves remoaners,so called experts and the guardian are biased liars at best and all totally stupid.These people have the cheek to call Boris a lier,they are discusting
It doesn't actually "prove" anything does it?
Boris is a proven liar though isn't he? He has, in fact, been sacked twice for doing so, right?"
It does partially but you would rather that leavibg the EU fails just to try and prove a point.Well my friend if we succeed it is better for you,fail it is worse for you.
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"Unilever are one of the biggest plastic polluters in the world! they won't move to Europe because they now have a single use plastics ban...it'll hit them hard financially to adapt/change all those billions upon billions of plastic packaging.
So they've chose to remain in countries who don't give a damn about plastic waste policies, despite the overwhelming evidence of its problems to the whole world's ecosystems to the point we are now eating micro plastics like the other species.
Don't invest in polluters, your just making the situation worse, giving the top 1% more money & more free rein to do as they like regardless of circumstances to any one or any thing else.
Your shares will be worth nothing when they all feck off to space & leave the rest of us to rot on a dying planet.
Your reasons seem to be completely different to those mentioned by Easyuk.
That's allowed isn't it?
It's also possible that the logic is true, but manufacturing legislation is based on the country of manufacture and there is no indication of this being moved to the UK.
It is allowed because as you state it's based on the countries of manufacture which allows companies to use child labour, pollute water ways and spit out as much co2 as they like. They keep manufacturing in these countries for a reason....some countries are post empire, poverty is high in these countries, lower life standards for most & often governments corrupt by business lobbying.
Plastic isn't totally banned anywhere, their bottles and water is found everywhere around the world all for what....silky hair in the consumer & profits to the 1% hmm.
The foreign manufacturing system is modern slavery, it's not white people being exposed to these shitty conditions that manufacturing countries face & in buying or investing in them, we're not only saying its okay to behave like that but condoning it.
It's time for people to change how & where they spend their money and put their skills to those companies thriving to make change for the better globally, since even working for them is supporting their systems.
It's a very large circular problem that needs changing. "
Can you confirm where the products are going to be manufactured please? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Can't be true we was told by all the intelligent people who voted remain, we would be eating washed chicken out of our begging bowls. All companies was moving to Europe. Proves remoaners,so called experts and the guardian are biased liars at best and all totally stupid.These people have the cheek to call Boris a lier,they are discusting
It doesn't actually "prove" anything does it?
Boris is a proven liar though isn't he? He has, in fact, been sacked twice for doing so, right?It does partially but you would rather that leavibg the EU fails just to try and prove a point.Well my friend if we succeed it is better for you,fail it is worse for you.
Or what you rather cut your own throat to spite your face?"
This is crazy-talk.
Absolutely bizarre.
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Unilever are one of the biggest plastic polluters in the world! they won't move to Europe because they now have a single use plastics ban...it'll hit them hard financially to adapt/change all those billions upon billions of plastic packaging.
So they've chose to remain in countries who don't give a damn about plastic waste policies, despite the overwhelming evidence of its problems to the whole world's ecosystems to the point we are now eating micro plastics like the other species.
Don't invest in polluters, your just making the situation worse, giving the top 1% more money & more free rein to do as they like regardless of circumstances to any one or any thing else.
Your shares will be worth nothing when they all feck off to space & leave the rest of us to rot on a dying planet.
Your reasons seem to be completely different to those mentioned by Easyuk.
That's allowed isn't it?
It's also possible that the logic is true, but manufacturing legislation is based on the country of manufacture and there is no indication of this being moved to the UK.
I may be misunderstanding but what I read from _eoeclipse is that they will manufacture in the UK because of low standards or as they say don't give a damm about plastic waste. You seem to be saying they are not moving manufacturing to the UK. So no both can't be true"
They are not mutually exclusive.
I noted who benefitted directly from the move and what the most likely reason was.
It is still possible that we will lower our standards and have polluting industries to attract "investment". I don't see it happening though.
That's why I think it's just a paper move for share holders to pay less tax. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"Unilever are one of the biggest plastic polluters in the world! they won't move to Europe because they now have a single use plastics ban...it'll hit them hard financially to adapt/change all those billions upon billions of plastic packaging.
So they've chose to remain in countries who don't give a damn about plastic waste policies, despite the overwhelming evidence of its problems to the whole world's ecosystems to the point we are now eating micro plastics like the other species.
Don't invest in polluters, your just making the situation worse, giving the top 1% more money & more free rein to do as they like regardless of circumstances to any one or any thing else.
Your shares will be worth nothing when they all feck off to space & leave the rest of us to rot on a dying planet.
Your reasons seem to be completely different to those mentioned by Easyuk.
That's allowed isn't it?
It's also possible that the logic is true, but manufacturing legislation is based on the country of manufacture and there is no indication of this being moved to the UK.
It is allowed because as you state it's based on the countries of manufacture which allows companies to use child labour, pollute water ways and spit out as much co2 as they like. They keep manufacturing in these countries for a reason....some countries are post empire, poverty is high in these countries, lower life standards for most & often governments corrupt by business lobbying.
Plastic isn't totally banned anywhere, their bottles and water is found everywhere around the world all for what....silky hair in the consumer & profits to the 1% hmm.
The foreign manufacturing system is modern slavery, it's not white people being exposed to these shitty conditions that manufacturing countries face & in buying or investing in them, we're not only saying its okay to behave like that but condoning it.
It's time for people to change how & where they spend their money and put their skills to those companies thriving to make change for the better globally, since even working for them is supporting their systems.
It's a very large circular problem that needs changing.
Can you confirm where the products are going to be manufactured please?"
According to unilever they have several manufacturing and research centres around the UK. Not sure what proportion of the products are in the UK though as they have facilities around the world |
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"Same vague answer, with things we had veto over. And re-entry won't come with that power of veto still available. Fiscal policy? We have a different currency. All I see is the economy tanking for 20+ years and my travel is now restricted. And possible collapse of the Good Friday Agreement. All because you fell for a fuckload of lies."
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"I commented some time ago about the proposed move of Unilever HQ to Rotterdam.
The bottom line was, and still is, Dutch tax laws and takeover protocols made it a very risky decision indeed. I'm not sure what's changed Unilever's mind but it's certainly welcome news for the UK. "
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A quote from Unilever...
The group employs 2,500 people in the Netherlands and 6,000 in the UK. It said the change would have no real impact on the day-to-day running of the business. “There will be no change to the operations, locations, activities or staffing levels in either the UK or the Netherlands as a result of unification,” it said in a statement
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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The group employs 2,500 people in the Netherlands and 6,000 in the UK. It said the change would have no real impact on the day-to-day running of the business. “There will be no change to the operations, locations, activities or staffing levels in either the UK or the Netherlands as a result of unification,” it said in a statement
Not really much else to say about it really "
The great news and what several have said that's what's happening now.
If they had of decided to move all to the Netherlands then many jobs would have been lost |
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The decision by Unilever should not be underestimated - agreed it is most likely as a result of shareholder pressure, however it can not go unnoticed that the Dutch government lobbied the company very hard - including the offer of special taxation provision - which makes me wonder how could the shareholders pass up the opportunity for their dividends to be larger if there is less tax being paid by the company?
Company operations remain unchanged, no jobs lost, business as usual, however the company has been unified into a single company - a plc registered in U.K.
one aspect the company has listed in the reasoning for this move to a single company structure is the “ability to do deals with more flexibility”
It’s not a “brexit benefit” as I’m sure some will question or mock - it is however a signal that the prospect of Britain as an independent free trading nation is an attractive prospect which one of the largest multi nationals has committed to 100%
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"The decision by Unilever should not be underestimated - agreed it is most likely as a result of shareholder pressure, however it can not go unnoticed that the Dutch government lobbied the company very hard - including the offer of special taxation provision - which makes me wonder how could the shareholders pass up the opportunity for their dividends to be larger if there is less tax being paid by the company?
Company operations remain unchanged, no jobs lost, business as usual, however the company has been unified into a single company - a plc registered in U.K.
one aspect the company has listed in the reasoning for this move to a single company structure is the “ability to do deals with more flexibility”
It’s not a “brexit benefit” as I’m sure some will question or mock - it is however a signal that the prospect of Britain as an independent free trading nation is an attractive prospect which one of the largest multi nationals has committed to 100%
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As attractive a prospect was it was for Dyson?
The tax "offer" from the Dutch government was not going to be adopted by the Parliament anyway. It was hugely controversial there.
It was less tax for shareholders. An “ability to do deals with more flexibility” is a nonsense.
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As attractive a prospect was it was for Dyson?
The tax "offer" from the Dutch government was not going to be adopted by the Parliament anyway. It was hugely controversial there.
It was less tax for shareholders. An “ability to do deals with more flexibility” is a nonsense.
What "deals" and what "flexibility"?"
"Unilever remains committed to its strategy of long-term growth across all three Divisions and last year began a full evaluation of its current categories and brands, with a view to accelerating the pace of portfolio change. This review has underlined how a simpler legal structure would give Unilever greater strategic flexibility to grow shareholder value, providing a catalyst for accelerated portfolio evolution and greater organisational autonomy.
The ongoing strategic review of Unilever’s tea business has further demonstrated that the dual-headed legal structure can create disadvantages for the Group. For example, a demerger of the tea business is one potential outcome of the review and, as was previously the case with the disposal of the company’s Spreads business, this would be significantly more challenging under the current legal structure than under a single parent structure.
It is also clear that the Covid-19 pandemic will create a business environment in which having as much flexibility and responsiveness as possible will be critically important.
The Board considers unification under Unilever PLC as the best practical option to achieve this goal. "
Long and short of it... ability to do deals with more flexibility.
Dutch government lobbied hard, spent quite a bit of money by all accounts, and certainly put on the table taxation benefits if the company unified in The Netherlands - doesn't sound like the actions of a government that were not that concerned with the departure of a multi national.
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As attractive a prospect was it was for Dyson?
The tax "offer" from the Dutch government was not going to be adopted by the Parliament anyway. It was hugely controversial there.
It was less tax for shareholders. An “ability to do deals with more flexibility” is a nonsense.
What "deals" and what "flexibility"?
"Unilever remains committed to its strategy of long-term growth across all three Divisions and last year began a full evaluation of its current categories and brands, with a view to accelerating the pace of portfolio change. This review has underlined how a simpler legal structure would give Unilever greater strategic flexibility to grow shareholder value, providing a catalyst for accelerated portfolio evolution and greater organisational autonomy.
The ongoing strategic review of Unilever’s tea business has further demonstrated that the dual-headed legal structure can create disadvantages for the Group. For example, a demerger of the tea business is one potential outcome of the review and, as was previously the case with the disposal of the company’s Spreads business, this would be significantly more challenging under the current legal structure than under a single parent structure.
It is also clear that the Covid-19 pandemic will create a business environment in which having as much flexibility and responsiveness as possible will be critically important.
The Board considers unification under Unilever PLC as the best practical option to achieve this goal. "
Long and short of it... ability to do deals with more flexibility.
Dutch government lobbied hard, spent quite a bit of money by all accounts, and certainly put on the table taxation benefits if the company unified in The Netherlands - doesn't sound like the actions of a government that were not that concerned with the departure of a multi national.
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You just read a load of corporate gobbledygook and pretended that it was meaningful
Does the tax benefit appear in any of the speil?
Who said the Dutch government were not concerned?
Of you read the previous quotes in the thread there are no benefits either way in terms of jobs or investment.
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" Of you read the previous quotes in the thread there are no benefits either way in terms of jobs or investment.
Take it as you wish, but the money only points to one reason "
I have not said otherwise.
"...Company operations remain unchanged, no jobs lost, business as usual"
"...agreed it is most likely as a result of shareholder pressure"
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" Of you read the previous quotes in the thread there are no benefits either way in terms of jobs or investment.
Take it as you wish, but the money only points to one reason
I have not said otherwise.
"...Company operations remain unchanged, no jobs lost, business as usual"
"...agreed it is most likely as a result of shareholder pressure"
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I think that there will be more of such "benefits", like the New Zealand prospective trade deal. |
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"Same vague answer, with things we had veto over. And re-entry won't come with that power of veto still available. Fiscal policy? We have a different currency. All I see is the economy tanking for 20+ years and my travel is now restricted. And possible collapse of the Good Friday Agreement. All because you fell for a fuckload of lies.
What was vague about my answers, all those things are aims publically stated by many at the top of the EU, just because we have a veto doesnt mean it will be used, remember the vote on the Mastricht treaty, oh yes there wasnt one despite the promise. So your three examples are fact ? look pretty vague to me just like project fear, from where Im standing its you who fell for the lies"
Dont remember being promised a vote on Maastricht (happy to be corrected with proof).
We were, however, promised by a certain G Brown that he would not sign any more treaties without a referendum. Then promptly signed the Lisbon treaty. Some countries have had votes on treaties/major changes and issues. Some voted no....Ireland, Netherlands to name a couple. What happened?
Unelected commisioners (who actually run EU not the MEPs) held an axe over these countries...forcing them to vote again and get it right.....
That's the EU version of democracy in action. |
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" Of you read the previous quotes in the thread there are no benefits either way in terms of jobs or investment.
Take it as you wish, but the money only points to one reason
I have not said otherwise.
"...Company operations remain unchanged, no jobs lost, business as usual"
"...agreed it is most likely as a result of shareholder pressure"
I think that there will be more of such "benefits", like the New Zealand prospective trade deal."
Maybe true but New Zealand's economy is over 400 times smaller than the EU. Would need a lot of such deals to make for any sizeable loss of EU trade. |
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"Same vague answer, with things we had veto over. And re-entry won't come with that power of veto still available. Fiscal policy? We have a different currency. All I see is the economy tanking for 20+ years and my travel is now restricted. And possible collapse of the Good Friday Agreement. All because you fell for a fuckload of lies.
What was vague about my answers, all those things are aims publically stated by many at the top of the EU, just because we have a veto doesnt mean it will be used, remember the vote on the Mastricht treaty, oh yes there wasnt one despite the promise. So your three examples are fact ? look pretty vague to me just like project fear, from where Im standing its you who fell for the lies
Dont remember being promised a vote on Maastricht (happy to be corrected with proof).
We were, however, promised by a certain G Brown that he would not sign any more treaties without a referendum. Then promptly signed the Lisbon treaty. Some countries have had votes on treaties/major changes and issues. Some voted no....Ireland, Netherlands to name a couple. What happened?
Unelected commisioners (who actually run EU not the MEPs) held an axe over these countries...forcing them to vote again and get it right.....
That's the EU version of democracy in action."
So we were being forced into decisions we didnt agree with? |
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over a year ago
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"Same vague answer, with things we had veto over. And re-entry won't come with that power of veto still available. Fiscal policy? We have a different currency. All I see is the economy tanking for 20+ years and my travel is now restricted. And possible collapse of the Good Friday Agreement. All because you fell for a fuckload of lies.
What was vague about my answers, all those things are aims publically stated by many at the top of the EU, just because we have a veto doesnt mean it will be used, remember the vote on the Mastricht treaty, oh yes there wasnt one despite the promise. So your three examples are fact ? look pretty vague to me just like project fear, from where Im standing its you who fell for the lies
Dont remember being promised a vote on Maastricht (happy to be corrected with proof).
We were, however, promised by a certain G Brown that he would not sign any more treaties without a referendum. Then promptly signed the Lisbon treaty. Some countries have had votes on treaties/major changes and issues. Some voted no....Ireland, Netherlands to name a couple. What happened?
Unelected commisioners (who actually run EU not the MEPs) held an axe over these countries...forcing them to vote again and get it right.....
That's the EU version of democracy in action."
EU Commissioners hold no axes.
See if you can rustle up a reference or two.
The Commissioners are nominated by member states and ratified by the European Parliament. Really pretty transparent.
Does the UK Civil Service run our country or does government? What does the Commission do that's different? Any idea?
What influence does Parliament have on that? How democratic is proroguing Parliament during a political crisis?
What does the Council of Ministers so in your view of the EU? Any idea?
The Lisbon Treaty was only rejected by Ireland and the reason? 40% did not understand or were not familiar with what it was about.
There was a better informed second referendum
It passed
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"Same vague answer, with things we had veto over. And re-entry won't come with that power of veto still available. Fiscal policy? We have a different currency. All I see is the economy tanking for 20+ years and my travel is now restricted. And possible collapse of the Good Friday Agreement. All because you fell for a fuckload of lies.
What was vague about my answers, all those things are aims publically stated by many at the top of the EU, just because we have a veto doesnt mean it will be used, remember the vote on the Mastricht treaty, oh yes there wasnt one despite the promise. So your three examples are fact ? look pretty vague to me just like project fear, from where Im standing its you who fell for the lies
Dont remember being promised a vote on Maastricht (happy to be corrected with proof).
We were, however, promised by a certain G Brown that he would not sign any more treaties without a referendum. Then promptly signed the Lisbon treaty. Some countries have had votes on treaties/major changes and issues. Some voted no....Ireland, Netherlands to name a couple. What happened?
Unelected commisioners (who actually run EU not the MEPs) held an axe over these countries...forcing them to vote again and get it right.....
That's the EU version of democracy in action."
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An interesting news report today that another huge multinational - Royal Dutch Shell - may be about to "simplify its complex capital structure" and relocate the HQ from The Netherlands to the UK.
Confidence in the UK, stupidity, tax purposes?
What about Brexit?
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"An interesting news report today that another huge multinational - Royal Dutch Shell - may be about to "simplify its complex capital structure" and relocate the HQ from The Netherlands to the UK.
Confidence in the UK, stupidity, tax purposes?
What about Brexit?
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Think its posturing at the moment. The Dutch goverment have gone back on scrapping dividend tax but they sure as hell, won't want to see one of their largest Companies, move from The Hague to London.
I've always said that London will remain one of the major trading hubs in the World, even after Brexit. |
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"An interesting news report today that another huge multinational - Royal Dutch Shell - may be about to "simplify its complex capital structure" and relocate the HQ from The Netherlands to the UK.
Confidence in the UK, stupidity, tax purposes?
What about Brexit?
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"An interesting news report today that another huge multinational - Royal Dutch Shell - may be about to "simplify its complex capital structure" and relocate the HQ from The Netherlands to the UK.
Confidence in the UK, stupidity, tax purposes?
What about Brexit?
‘May‘ be about to? Sounds vague "
Yes, but then I didn't say it was a confirmed move.
The headline is "Shell chief hints at HQ relocating to Britain" and "Board keen to simplify burdensome dual structure".
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"An interesting news report today that another huge multinational - Royal Dutch Shell - may be about to "simplify its complex capital structure" and relocate the HQ from The Netherlands to the UK.
Confidence in the UK, stupidity, tax purposes?
What about Brexit?
‘May‘ be about to? Sounds vague
Yes, but then I didn't say it was a confirmed move.
The headline is "Shell chief hints at HQ relocating to Britain" and "Board keen to simplify burdensome dual structure".
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Hints? Maybe they will relocate if we get the ‘amazing’ Brexit deal we were promised, |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Just checked my Shell Shares in excitement. Nope still down. Will keep repeating to myself long game long game.
Unilever up though "
Can't get Brent crude over 43 dollars a barrel. All the oil stocks are suffering on this resistance. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"Can't be true we was told by all the intelligent people who voted remain, we would be eating washed chicken out of our begging bowls. All companies was moving to Europe. Proves remoaners,so called experts and the guardian are biased liars at best and all totally stupid.These people have the cheek to call Boris a lier,they are discusting
It doesn't actually "prove" anything does it?
Boris is a proven liar though isn't he? He has, in fact, been sacked twice for doing so, right?It does partially but you would rather that leavibg the EU fails just to try and prove a point.Well my friend if we succeed it is better for you,fail it is worse for you.
Or what you rather cut your own throat to spite your face?
This is crazy-talk.
Absolutely bizarre.
Please have some quiet time "
Almost as crazy as you remoaners you have become pathetic |
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"Can't be true we was told by all the intelligent people who voted remain, we would be eating washed chicken out of our begging bowls. All companies was moving to Europe. Proves remoaners,so called experts and the guardian are biased liars at best and all totally stupid.These people have the cheek to call Boris a lier,they are discusting
It doesn't actually "prove" anything does it?
Boris is a proven liar though isn't he? He has, in fact, been sacked twice for doing so, right?It does partially but you would rather that leavibg the EU fails just to try and prove a point.Well my friend if we succeed it is better for you,fail it is worse for you.
Or what you rather cut your own throat to spite your face?
This is crazy-talk.
Absolutely bizarre.
Please have some quiet time Almost as crazy as you remoaners you have become pathetic"
Do you still want to ‘spit on’ every remain voter?? |
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By *exy7Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
"But the no deal that's coming will close the Sunderland factory.
Maybe it will maybe it wont , maybe there will be a deal mabye there wont but up to now most of the doom merchants' predictions have not happened, how about some positivity, success comes to those who work the hardest.
Far too many UK citizens and media appear to want the UK to fail so they can say "I told you so ". They jump on any sliver of bad news but never promote the good"
OK, so where is the thread about all the jobs lost in the past two weeks?
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"An interesting news report today that another huge multinational - Royal Dutch Shell - may be about to "simplify its complex capital structure" and relocate the HQ from The Netherlands to the UK.
Confidence in the UK, stupidity, tax purposes?
What about Brexit?
Very good news again though need to be cautious until its reality. Makes me wonder whats happened to the Netherlands to make companies move and why the UK why not another EU country?
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"An interesting news report today that another huge multinational - Royal Dutch Shell - may be about to "simplify its complex capital structure" and relocate the HQ from The Netherlands to the UK.
Confidence in the UK, stupidity, tax purposes?
What about Brexit?
Very good news again though need to be cautious until its reality. Makes me wonder whats happened to the Netherlands to make companies move and why the UK why not another EU country?
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The Dutch are tightening up their tax laws. They don't want to be seen as an easy touch for tax avoidance. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
bournemouth |
Has anyone done a proper analysis of the tax take from employees versus the tax from higher company tax rates. The argument that companies such as Amazon etc make is that by employing people in a country means their economic activity creates higher total tax take via, their employees wages, and then their spending in the wider economy than higher company tax driving those companies abroad. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"An interesting news report today that another huge multinational - Royal Dutch Shell - may be about to "simplify its complex capital structure" and relocate the HQ from The Netherlands to the UK.
Confidence in the UK, stupidity, tax purposes?
What about Brexit?
Very good news again though need to be cautious until its reality. Makes me wonder whats happened to the Netherlands to make companies move and why the UK why not another EU country?
The Dutch are tightening up their tax laws. They don't want to be seen as an easy touch for tax avoidance. "
Going well for them isn't it. Glad the UK is again a possible destination but not sure why they did not choose another EU country. |
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"An interesting news report today that another huge multinational - Royal Dutch Shell - may be about to "simplify its complex capital structure" and relocate the HQ from The Netherlands to the UK.
Confidence in the UK, stupidity, tax purposes?
What about Brexit?
Very good news again though need to be cautious until its reality. Makes me wonder whats happened to the Netherlands to make companies move and why the UK why not another EU country?
The Dutch are tightening up their tax laws. They don't want to be seen as an easy touch for tax avoidance.
Going well for them isn't it. Glad the UK is again a possible destination but not sure why they did not choose another EU country. "
Because it’s a British/Dutch company |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"An interesting news report today that another huge multinational - Royal Dutch Shell - may be about to "simplify its complex capital structure" and relocate the HQ from The Netherlands to the UK.
Confidence in the UK, stupidity, tax purposes?
What about Brexit?
Very good news again though need to be cautious until its reality. Makes me wonder whats happened to the Netherlands to make companies move and why the UK why not another EU country?
The Dutch are tightening up their tax laws. They don't want to be seen as an easy touch for tax avoidance.
Going well for them isn't it. Glad the UK is again a possible destination but not sure why they did not choose another EU country.
Because it’s a British/Dutch company "
Does that limit it to those 2 countries then? |
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"An interesting news report today that another huge multinational - Royal Dutch Shell - may be about to "simplify its complex capital structure" and relocate the HQ from The Netherlands to the UK.
Confidence in the UK, stupidity, tax purposes?
What about Brexit?
Very good news again though need to be cautious until its reality. Makes me wonder whats happened to the Netherlands to make companies move and why the UK why not another EU country?
The Dutch are tightening up their tax laws. They don't want to be seen as an easy touch for tax avoidance.
Going well for them isn't it. Glad the UK is again a possible destination but not sure why they did not choose another EU country.
Because it’s a British/Dutch company
Does that limit it to those 2 countries then?"
For their HQ? Yep. |
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"Far too many UK citizens and media appear to want the UK to fail so they can say "I told you so ". They jump on any sliver of bad news but never promote the good
Good news is always welcome. Unfortunately this government is made up of liars, thieves, charlatans and sycophants so I automatically assume the worst.
I've asked this a few times but none of you can ever provide an answer.
Give me a benefit of brexit. How is my life going to improve? How is leaving the EU going to make things better? I'm serious, I don't want to spend my days worried about the future. I want your positivity and optimism. I just need evidence that it's not misplaced. I've been asking for 4 years, any answers? "
You get a blue passport, which we could have had anyway. Oh but it is being made in an EU country. |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
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"Far too many UK citizens and media appear to want the UK to fail so they can say "I told you so ". They jump on any sliver of bad news but never promote the good
Good news is always welcome. Unfortunately this government is made up of liars, thieves, charlatans and sycophants so I automatically assume the worst.
I've asked this a few times but none of you can ever provide an answer.
Give me a benefit of brexit. How is my life going to improve? How is leaving the EU going to make things better? I'm serious, I don't want to spend my days worried about the future. I want your positivity and optimism. I just need evidence that it's not misplaced. I've been asking for 4 years, any answers?
You get a blue passport, which we could have had anyway. Oh but it is being made in an EU country."
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"An interesting news report today that another huge multinational - Royal Dutch Shell - may be about to "simplify its complex capital structure" and relocate the HQ from The Netherlands to the UK.
Confidence in the UK, stupidity, tax purposes?
What about Brexit?
Very good news again though need to be cautious until its reality. Makes me wonder whats happened to the Netherlands to make companies move and why the UK why not another EU country?
The Dutch are tightening up their tax laws. They don't want to be seen as an easy touch for tax avoidance.
Going well for them isn't it. Glad the UK is again a possible destination but not sure why they did not choose another EU country. "
Moving to London will allow Shell to simplify their complicated stock position.
They offer A and B shares, each have different taxation positions.
I would imagine, just like Unilever, that this move is being pushed for by large institutions, who hold vast tranches of Shell shares.
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"An interesting news report today that another huge multinational - Royal Dutch Shell - may be about to "simplify its complex capital structure" and relocate the HQ from The Netherlands to the UK.
Confidence in the UK, stupidity, tax purposes?
What about Brexit?
Very good news again though need to be cautious until its reality. Makes me wonder whats happened to the Netherlands to make companies move and why the UK why not another EU country?
The Dutch are tightening up their tax laws. They don't want to be seen as an easy touch for tax avoidance.
Going well for them isn't it. Glad the UK is again a possible destination but not sure why they did not choose another EU country.
Because it’s a British/Dutch company
Does that limit it to those 2 countries then?
For their HQ? Yep. "
Good they choose the UK then |
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"An interesting news report today that another huge multinational - Royal Dutch Shell - may be about to "simplify its complex capital structure" and relocate the HQ from The Netherlands to the UK.
Confidence in the UK, stupidity, tax purposes?
What about Brexit?
Very good news again though need to be cautious until its reality. Makes me wonder whats happened to the Netherlands to make companies move and why the UK why not another EU country?
The Dutch are tightening up their tax laws. They don't want to be seen as an easy touch for tax avoidance.
Going well for them isn't it. Glad the UK is again a possible destination but not sure why they did not choose another EU country.
Because it’s a British/Dutch company
Does that limit it to those 2 countries then?
For their HQ? Yep.
Good they choose the UK then"
They only had 2 options, |
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over a year ago
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"An interesting news report today that another huge multinational - Royal Dutch Shell - may be about to "simplify its complex capital structure" and relocate the HQ from The Netherlands to the UK.
Confidence in the UK, stupidity, tax purposes?
What about Brexit?
Very good news again though need to be cautious until its reality. Makes me wonder whats happened to the Netherlands to make companies move and why the UK why not another EU country?
The Dutch are tightening up their tax laws. They don't want to be seen as an easy touch for tax avoidance.
Going well for them isn't it. Glad the UK is again a possible destination but not sure why they did not choose another EU country.
Because it’s a British/Dutch company
Does that limit it to those 2 countries then?
For their HQ? Yep.
Good they choose the UK then
They only had 2 options, "
Sure and choose the UK- good news I thought |
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"An interesting news report today that another huge multinational - Royal Dutch Shell - may be about to "simplify its complex capital structure" and relocate the HQ from The Netherlands to the UK.
Confidence in the UK, stupidity, tax purposes?
What about Brexit?
Very good news again though need to be cautious until its reality. Makes me wonder whats happened to the Netherlands to make companies move and why the UK why not another EU country?
The Dutch are tightening up their tax laws. They don't want to be seen as an easy touch for tax avoidance.
Going well for them isn't it. Glad the UK is again a possible destination but not sure why they did not choose another EU country.
Because it’s a British/Dutch company
Does that limit it to those 2 countries then?
For their HQ? Yep.
Good they choose the UK then
They only had 2 options,
Sure and choose the UK- good news I thought"
Yeah, it’s good news. Is this going to be claimed as a Brexit bonus |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"An interesting news report today that another huge multinational - Royal Dutch Shell - may be about to "simplify its complex capital structure" and relocate the HQ from The Netherlands to the UK.
Confidence in the UK, stupidity, tax purposes?
What about Brexit?
Very good news again though need to be cautious until its reality. Makes me wonder whats happened to the Netherlands to make companies move and why the UK why not another EU country?
The Dutch are tightening up their tax laws. They don't want to be seen as an easy touch for tax avoidance.
Going well for them isn't it. Glad the UK is again a possible destination but not sure why they did not choose another EU country.
Because it’s a British/Dutch company
Does that limit it to those 2 countries then?
For their HQ? Yep.
Good they choose the UK then
They only had 2 options,
Sure and choose the UK- good news I thought
Yeah, it’s good news. Is this going to be claimed as a Brexit bonus "
Not by me just pleased to hear such good news though if the decision had gone the other way it would not surprise me if it was claimed it was due to bexit |
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"An interesting news report today that another huge multinational - Royal Dutch Shell - may be about to "simplify its complex capital structure" and relocate the HQ from The Netherlands to the UK.
Confidence in the UK, stupidity, tax purposes?
What about Brexit?
Very good news again though need to be cautious until its reality. Makes me wonder whats happened to the Netherlands to make companies move and why the UK why not another EU country?
The Dutch are tightening up their tax laws. They don't want to be seen as an easy touch for tax avoidance.
Going well for them isn't it. Glad the UK is again a possible destination but not sure why they did not choose another EU country.
Because it’s a British/Dutch company
Does that limit it to those 2 countries then?
For their HQ? Yep.
Good they choose the UK then
They only had 2 options,
Sure and choose the UK- good news I thought
Yeah, it’s good news. Is this going to be claimed as a Brexit bonus
Not by me just pleased to hear such good news though if the decision had gone the other way it would not surprise me if it was claimed it was due to bexit"
It is good news, not really massive or important news. I wonder why the OP decided to post this? |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"An interesting news report today that another huge multinational - Royal Dutch Shell - may be about to "simplify its complex capital structure" and relocate the HQ from The Netherlands to the UK.
Confidence in the UK, stupidity, tax purposes?
What about Brexit?
Very good news again though need to be cautious until its reality. Makes me wonder whats happened to the Netherlands to make companies move and why the UK why not another EU country?
The Dutch are tightening up their tax laws. They don't want to be seen as an easy touch for tax avoidance.
Going well for them isn't it. Glad the UK is again a possible destination but not sure why they did not choose another EU country.
Because it’s a British/Dutch company
Does that limit it to those 2 countries then?
For their HQ? Yep.
Good they choose the UK then
They only had 2 options,
Sure and choose the UK- good news I thought
Yeah, it’s good news. Is this going to be claimed as a Brexit bonus
Not by me just pleased to hear such good news though if the decision had gone the other way it would not surprise me if it was claimed it was due to bexit
It is good news, not really massive or important news. I wonder why the OP decided to post this? "
Well the OP would have to confirm the reason but suspect its good to share good news for a change. I also suspect if the decision had gone the other way and the UK had lost out it would not be described as small and unimportant |
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"An interesting news report today that another huge multinational - Royal Dutch Shell - may be about to "simplify its complex capital structure" and relocate the HQ from The Netherlands to the UK.
Confidence in the UK, stupidity, tax purposes?
What about Brexit?
Very good news again though need to be cautious until its reality. Makes me wonder whats happened to the Netherlands to make companies move and why the UK why not another EU country?
The Dutch are tightening up their tax laws. They don't want to be seen as an easy touch for tax avoidance.
Going well for them isn't it. Glad the UK is again a possible destination but not sure why they did not choose another EU country.
Because it’s a British/Dutch company
Does that limit it to those 2 countries then?
For their HQ? Yep.
Good they choose the UK then
They only had 2 options,
Sure and choose the UK- good news I thought
Yeah, it’s good news. Is this going to be claimed as a Brexit bonus
Not by me just pleased to hear such good news though if the decision had gone the other way it would not surprise me if it was claimed it was due to bexit
It is good news, not really massive or important news. I wonder why the OP decided to post this?
Well the OP would have to confirm the reason but suspect its good to share good news for a change. I also suspect if the decision had gone the other way and the UK had lost out it would not be described as small and unimportant"
You need to research the reasons why this decision was made and then you will realise it’s not really newsworthy . |
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"An interesting news report today that another huge multinational - Royal Dutch Shell - may be about to "simplify its complex capital structure" and relocate the HQ from The Netherlands to the UK.
Confidence in the UK, stupidity, tax purposes?
What about Brexit?
Very good news again though need to be cautious until its reality. Makes me wonder whats happened to the Netherlands to make companies move and why the UK why not another EU country?
The Dutch are tightening up their tax laws. They don't want to be seen as an easy touch for tax avoidance.
Going well for them isn't it. Glad the UK is again a possible destination but not sure why they did not choose another EU country.
Because it’s a British/Dutch company
Does that limit it to those 2 countries then?
For their HQ? Yep.
Good they choose the UK then
They only had 2 options,
Sure and choose the UK- good news I thought
Yeah, it’s good news. Is this going to be claimed as a Brexit bonus
Not by me just pleased to hear such good news though if the decision had gone the other way it would not surprise me if it was claimed it was due to bexit
It is good news, not really massive or important news. I wonder why the OP decided to post this?
Well the OP would have to confirm the reason but suspect its good to share good news for a change. I also suspect if the decision had gone the other way and the UK had lost out it would not be described as small and unimportant
You need to research the reasons why this decision was made and then you will realise it’s not really newsworthy . "
I am sure the newsworthiness would have been of more value to you had the story been the opposite, similarly with the Unilever decision.
It is what it is, and I'm sure for every good news story, there will be something not so good.
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"An interesting news report today that another huge multinational - Royal Dutch Shell - may be about to "simplify its complex capital structure" and relocate the HQ from The Netherlands to the UK.
Confidence in the UK, stupidity, tax purposes?
What about Brexit?
Very good news again though need to be cautious until its reality. Makes me wonder whats happened to the Netherlands to make companies move and why the UK why not another EU country?
The Dutch are tightening up their tax laws. They don't want to be seen as an easy touch for tax avoidance.
Going well for them isn't it. Glad the UK is again a possible destination but not sure why they did not choose another EU country.
Because it’s a British/Dutch company
Does that limit it to those 2 countries then?
For their HQ? Yep.
Good they choose the UK then
They only had 2 options,
Sure and choose the UK- good news I thought
Yeah, it’s good news. Is this going to be claimed as a Brexit bonus
Not by me just pleased to hear such good news though if the decision had gone the other way it would not surprise me if it was claimed it was due to bexit
It is good news, not really massive or important news. I wonder why the OP decided to post this?
Well the OP would have to confirm the reason but suspect its good to share good news for a change. I also suspect if the decision had gone the other way and the UK had lost out it would not be described as small and unimportant
You need to research the reasons why this decision was made and then you will realise it’s not really newsworthy .
I am sure the newsworthiness would have been of more value to you had the story been the opposite, similarly with the Unilever decision.
It is what it is, and I'm sure for every good news story, there will be something not so good.
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Why? They are a British /Dutch company who have 2 HQs and decided to move their legal base to London .
Chairman Nils Andersen said: “We remain committed to the Netherlands and the UK and there will be no change to Unilever’s footprint in either country as a result of the proposed change to Unilever’s legal parent structure.”
Hardly ‘news‘ is it ? |
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"An interesting news report today that another huge multinational - Royal Dutch Shell - may be about to "simplify its complex capital structure" and relocate the HQ from The Netherlands to the UK.
Confidence in the UK, stupidity, tax purposes?
What about Brexit?
Very good news again though need to be cautious until its reality. Makes me wonder whats happened to the Netherlands to make companies move and why the UK why not another EU country?
The Dutch are tightening up their tax laws. They don't want to be seen as an easy touch for tax avoidance.
Going well for them isn't it. Glad the UK is again a possible destination but not sure why they did not choose another EU country.
Because it’s a British/Dutch company
Does that limit it to those 2 countries then?
For their HQ? Yep.
Good they choose the UK then
They only had 2 options,
Sure and choose the UK- good news I thought
Yeah, it’s good news. Is this going to be claimed as a Brexit bonus
Not by me just pleased to hear such good news though if the decision had gone the other way it would not surprise me if it was claimed it was due to bexit
It is good news, not really massive or important news. I wonder why the OP decided to post this?
Well the OP would have to confirm the reason but suspect its good to share good news for a change. I also suspect if the decision had gone the other way and the UK had lost out it would not be described as small and unimportant
You need to research the reasons why this decision was made and then you will realise it’s not really newsworthy .
I am sure the newsworthiness would have been of more value to you had the story been the opposite, similarly with the Unilever decision.
It is what it is, and I'm sure for every good news story, there will be something not so good.
Why? They are a British /Dutch company who have 2 HQs and decided to move their legal base to London .
Chairman Nils Andersen said: “We remain committed to the Netherlands and the UK and there will be no change to Unilever’s footprint in either country as a result of the proposed change to Unilever’s legal parent structure.”
Hardly ‘news‘ is it ? "
Sure, ok
Wasn’t like the Dutch government went out of its way to try and keep the HQ in The Netherlands ..
Move along, nothing to see here
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"An interesting news report today that another huge multinational - Royal Dutch Shell - may be about to "simplify its complex capital structure" and relocate the HQ from The Netherlands to the UK.
Confidence in the UK, stupidity, tax purposes?
What about Brexit?
Very good news again though need to be cautious until its reality. Makes me wonder whats happened to the Netherlands to make companies move and why the UK why not another EU country?
The Dutch are tightening up their tax laws. They don't want to be seen as an easy touch for tax avoidance.
Going well for them isn't it. Glad the UK is again a possible destination but not sure why they did not choose another EU country.
Because it’s a British/Dutch company
Does that limit it to those 2 countries then?
For their HQ? Yep.
Good they choose the UK then
They only had 2 options,
Sure and choose the UK- good news I thought
Yeah, it’s good news. Is this going to be claimed as a Brexit bonus
Not by me just pleased to hear such good news though if the decision had gone the other way it would not surprise me if it was claimed it was due to bexit
It is good news, not really massive or important news. I wonder why the OP decided to post this?
Well the OP would have to confirm the reason but suspect its good to share good news for a change. I also suspect if the decision had gone the other way and the UK had lost out it would not be described as small and unimportant
You need to research the reasons why this decision was made and then you will realise it’s not really newsworthy .
I am sure the newsworthiness would have been of more value to you had the story been the opposite, similarly with the Unilever decision.
It is what it is, and I'm sure for every good news story, there will be something not so good.
Why? They are a British /Dutch company who have 2 HQs and decided to move their legal base to London .
Chairman Nils Andersen said: “We remain committed to the Netherlands and the UK and there will be no change to Unilever’s footprint in either country as a result of the proposed change to Unilever’s legal parent structure.”
Hardly ‘news‘ is it ?
Sure, ok
Wasn’t like the Dutch government went out of its way to try and keep the HQ in The Netherlands ..
Move along, nothing to see here
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"An interesting news report today that another huge multinational - Royal Dutch Shell - may be about to "simplify its complex capital structure" and relocate the HQ from The Netherlands to the UK.
Confidence in the UK, stupidity, tax purposes?
What about Brexit?
Very good news again though need to be cautious until its reality. Makes me wonder whats happened to the Netherlands to make companies move and why the UK why not another EU country?
The Dutch are tightening up their tax laws. They don't want to be seen as an easy touch for tax avoidance.
Going well for them isn't it. Glad the UK is again a possible destination but not sure why they did not choose another EU country.
Because it’s a British/Dutch company
Does that limit it to those 2 countries then?
For their HQ? Yep.
Good they choose the UK then
They only had 2 options,
Sure and choose the UK- good news I thought
Yeah, it’s good news. Is this going to be claimed as a Brexit bonus
Not by me just pleased to hear such good news though if the decision had gone the other way it would not surprise me if it was claimed it was due to bexit
It is good news, not really massive or important news. I wonder why the OP decided to post this?
Well the OP would have to confirm the reason but suspect its good to share good news for a change. I also suspect if the decision had gone the other way and the UK had lost out it would not be described as small and unimportant
You need to research the reasons why this decision was made and then you will realise it’s not really newsworthy .
I am sure the newsworthiness would have been of more value to you had the story been the opposite, similarly with the Unilever decision.
It is what it is, and I'm sure for every good news story, there will be something not so good.
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Yes if the outcome was opposite it would be higher up the news. In troubled times its good to have good news for a change |
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