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Chlorinated chicken

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

What a surprise after gove promising never to open the market to it now looks like it'll go ahead.. I'll not be eating chicken again then

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chlorinated-chicken-british-markets-us-trade-deal-trump-a9548431.html#gsc.tab=0

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What a surprise after gove promising never to open the market to it now looks like it'll go ahead.. I'll not be eating chicken again then

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chlorinated-chicken-british-markets-us-trade-deal-trump-a9548431.html#gsc.tab=0"

Food standards are there to inform you where it comes from so all you have to do is not eat chicken produced in the USA

Or become a veggie

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Glad someone beat me to this.

Absolutely disgraceful and an indication of what's to come, the US is already getting its way on us not having EU/Current British standards on labelling.

In short;

This will tank our domestic producers in 5 years

Undermine our own regulations on animal husbandry and food labelling.

Cause another future health issue for the tax payer to deal with.

Undermine our sovereignty as we effectively give into American mercantilism.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What a surprise after gove promising never to open the market to it now looks like it'll go ahead.. I'll not be eating chicken again then

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chlorinated-chicken-british-markets-us-trade-deal-trump-a9548431.html#gsc.tab=0

Food standards are there to inform you where it comes from so all you have to do is not eat chicken produced in the USA

Or become a veggie

Not sure if this is sarcasm or not.

But the US is likely - some Tory MPs are stating the arrangements have already been made, going to get its way on food labelling and packaging in the UK changing to their standards.

So basically your options are.

- Don't buy chicken and be veggie (as this will be extended to other animal products).

- Take the risk.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

'Whst did we vote for....Lower food standards.....when do we want it?....Now!!!'

Said nobody ever, yet they will start pretending they did vote for it...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Gove is a same liar as boris and the rest of the tories. Corruption and hypocrisy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Once we choose to brexit, we can lower or raise food standards - but it will be our choice."

I remember that been a line from 2016 - 2019.

Seems like when it comes down to the weight of economics, and you're desperate, you have a binary choice.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ardent leavers on here stated categorically that we would not be lowering food standards after Brexit

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ardent leavers on here stated categorically that we would not be lowering food standards after Brexit

I'd like some of them to defend the current policies that our government has voted through.

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By *uninlondon69Man over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

Funny how one by one, every objection that was dismissed as "project fear" turns out to be true. It's almost as if 48% of us knew they were a gang of lying scumbags, who's primary intention was lining the pockets of their offshore paymasters who've shorted on the pound to the tune of billions.

Still. Blue passports. Made in France though.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

Food labelling continues to identify origin of food, consumers can make a choice.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Food labelling continues to identify origin of food, consumers can make a choice.

Of course the consumer has a choice but what is the goal of lowering food standards?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Food labelling continues to identify origin of food, consumers can make a choice.

What about cheap imports decimating British farming?? Not my words, the economist of choice for Rees Mogg and co, Patrick Minford.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

Will British produced food be lower in standard?

Dual-tarrifs will provide protection to British producers

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By *uninlondon69Man over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

"Food labelling continues to identify origin of food, consumers can make a choice.

It shouldn't be an option in a civilised country. The production methods are horiffic and medieval. The people they will target as customers don't look at country of origin, they only look at price.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Will British produced food be lower in standard?

Dual-tarrifs will provide protection to British producers "

Not what Patrick says...

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By *dsindyTV/TS over a year ago

East Lancashire

Lower food standards, what else does it lead to being lowered?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

Farming and food producers have, in general, welcomed the U.K. Global Tarrifs schedule.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Farming and food producers have, in general, welcomed the U.K. Global Tarrifs schedule.

It must be wonderful to be this invested in something, such belief ,no matter how many times the facts prove you wrong. It's almost like a cult.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

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I’m not a farmer, but if a farmer says to me they generally welcome the government policy then who am I to say they should think differently.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’m not a farmer, but if a farmer says to me they generally welcome the government policy then who am I to say they should think differently.

NFU, strangely don't agree...

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

NFU Scotland, Ulster Farmers Union, NFU Cymru and NFU UK said:

“We are pleased the government has listened and maintained many of the safeguards currently in place for UK farmers under its new UK Global Tariff schedule. This is particularly important in fulfilling the UK government’s commitment not to undermine our high food and farming standards.”

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"NFU Scotland, Ulster Farmers Union, NFU Cymru and NFU UK said:

https://www.nfuonline.com/news/brexit-news/eu-referendum-news/why-a-no-deal-brexit-is-catastrophic-for-british-farming/

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Food labelling continues to identify origin of food, consumers can make a choice.

While that is true at the moment it may not as part of the trade deal. Anyway, that's beside the point.

Ardent leavers categorically stated food standards will not reduce because of Brexit

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"NFU Scotland, Ulster Farmers Union, NFU Cymru and NFU UK said:

I'll be happier if the Tories don't lower standards, however internal Tory party Comms seem to imply that the Whip will be used to side with the US on this...

Face it, you were lied to, the brexit that was promised won't happen, and promises that were key, will be broken.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Glad someone beat me to this.

Absolutely disgraceful and an indication of what's to come, the US is already getting its way on us not having EU/Current British standards on labelling.

In short;

This will tank our domestic producers in 5 years

Undermine our own regulations on animal husbandry and food labelling.

Cause another future health issue for the tax payer to deal with.

Undermine our sovereignty as we effectively give into American mercantilism."

Yeah but we are taking back control!

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By *edbath 5Man over a year ago

london

So you won’t be eating EU salad and Veg then.

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

Continue to support local businesses with sensibly sourced chicken is what I will do.

However people of limited means is going to be the target demographic so they may not be able to have that choice.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So you won’t be eating EU salad and Veg then.

Missed the point spectacularly.....it's not the chlorine, it's the poor husbandry that leads chickens being washed in chlorine.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

"Continue to support local businesses with sensibly sourced chicken is what I will do.

However people of limited means is going to be the target demographic so they may not be able to have that choice. "

Support local British producers

Part of the reason the farmers unions have welcomed the government tarrifs policy appears to be the provision for dual tariffs to prevent cheaper imported product flooding the market.

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By *edbath 5Man over a year ago

london

"So you won’t be eating EU salad and Veg then.

Missed the point spectacularly.....it's not the chlorine, it's the poor husbandry that leads chickens being washed in chlorine. "

So why is the EU veg washed in it.

Been to America many tines and had no problems.

But hey. Like someone said. Just buy British. Easy that way.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So you won’t be eating EU salad and Veg then.

Missed the point spectacularly.....it's not the chlorine, it's the poor husbandry that leads chickens being washed in chlorine.

So why is the EU veg washed in it.

Been to America many tines and had no problems.

But hey. Like someone said. Just buy British. Easy that way.

Why are our chickens not washed in it?? If they are washing their chickens it, they will be washing their salad in it. You can't really mistreat a cabbage or rear it badly.

Ok, but you were promised food standards will not be lowered, they are. Bit like the Northern Irish promised categorically no border checks....hmm

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It is like talking to flat earthers

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So you won’t be eating EU salad and Veg then.

Missed the point spectacularly.....it's not the chlorine, it's the poor husbandry that leads chickens being washed in chlorine.

So why is the EU veg washed in it.

Been to America many tines and had no problems.

But hey. Like someone said. Just buy British. Easy that way.

People will buy the cheapest, which will not be British therefore shrinking their market share . Sad really

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is like talking to flat earthers

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By *uninlondon69Man over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

The NFU currently have a live petition with half a million signatures. Go to their twitter feed to sign it. This is what the NFU say on the petition, whatever spurious support someone may have seen from one farmer.

"SIGN THE FOOD STANDARDS PETITION NOW!

I want the food I eat to be produced to world leading standards.

Our Government should ensure that all food eaten in the UK – whether in our homes, schools, hospitals, restaurants or from shops – is produced in a way that matches the high standards of production expected of UK farmers. Covid-19 has highlighted the importance of food security and traceability.

I believe the UK Government should seize the opportunities of 'Global Britain' to promote sustainable models of production and consumption across the world.

Farming throughout the UK has high standards of safety and welfare with an ambition to be net zero in greenhouse gas emissions by 2040. There are very strict controls on farming methods allowed in the UK and I expect the same of all food which is imported here so the food I eat is as safe, traceable and produced to high welfare and environmental standards.

Before the UK begins to negotiate trade deals with countries around the world, I call on the UK Government to put into law rules that prevent food being imported to the UK which is produced in ways that would be illegal here."

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By *uninlondon69Man over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

From the Byline Times in February:

"Take salmonella. In the US there are 1.2 million cases a year, 23,000 hospitalisations and 450 deaths. In the EU as a whole, which has a population almost two times larger than the US, there are approximately 1,766 hospitalisations and just 10 deaths. The US Centre for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that one in six American citizens suffers a food-borne illness annually. In the UK the figure is one in 132."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"From the Byline Times in February:

Another Brexit benefit,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"From the Byline Times in February:

Another Brexit benefit,

Yeap.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

The combined NFU statement on 19 May 2020 to the governments global tariff announcement can be viewed on the NFUonline site.

Nothing spurious about their official response

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The combined NFU statement on 19 May 2020 to the governments global tariff announcement can be viewed on the NFUonline site.

Nothing spurious about their official response

Just to clarify, you think importing chlorinated chicken into the UK is good news for British farmers?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There is a lot we can't inport now because of EU rules, when we leave we can illegally inport bat wings from China. Foot note you don't have to buy them?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Barnier just been on basically saying that the UK government is backtracking on things they previously agreed to in the political declaration...

Jesus, we must look like such a basket case abroad.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There is a lot we can't inport now because of EU rules, when we leave we can illegally inport bat wings from China. Foot note you don't have to buy them? "

'Lets go WTO'...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There is a lot we can't inport now because of EU rules, when we leave we can illegally inport bat wings from China. Foot note you don't have to buy them? "

Another Brexit bonus

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Barnier just been on basically saying that the UK government is backtracking on things they previously agreed to in the political declaration...

Jesus, we must look like such a basket case abroad."

Exactly. Who will take liars seriously during negotiations? Sadly no one.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There is a lot we can't inport now because of EU rules, when we leave we can illegally inport bat wings from China. Foot note you don't have to buy them? "

Bon appetit

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"What a surprise after gove promising never to open the market to it now looks like it'll go ahead.. I'll not be eating chicken again then

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chlorinated-chicken-british-markets-us-trade-deal-trump-a9548431.html#gsc.tab=0

Food standards are there to inform you where it comes from so all you have to do is not eat chicken produced in the USA

Or become a veggie

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's not only the lowering of food standards that bothers me it's the denials and lies about it all.

This government cannot be trusted on anything they say, and the only people who refuse to acknowledge that fact are the blinkered sycophants who continually excuse their incompetence and lies.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is like talking to flat earthers

Bang on

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So you won’t be eating EU salad and Veg then.

Missed the point spectacularly.....it's not the chlorine, it's the poor husbandry that leads chickens being washed in chlorine.

So why is the EU veg washed in it.

Been to America many tines and had no problems.

But hey. Like someone said. Just buy British. Easy that way.

Ffs.

Vegetables and fruit are not a husbandry issue.

You don't rear and battery farm carrots do you.

The US as a whole uses chlorine to sidestep good quality animal husbandry.

This results in bacterial infections which can be passed to a human in the flesh of the animal. They just use the chlorine to rinse of any external nasties like we and the EU nations do fit our veggies and fruits, not not our livestock products.

Can you understand that?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If on holiday in America would you ask were the chicken or beef or pork comes from NO

Do you know the majority of chicken sold in KFC come from UK suppliers who purchases it from factories in Latvia it's full of brine very little chicken produced in the UK is sold in the UK

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By *haverMan over a year ago

bracknell

It's quite simple really only buy british ,so much for European standards ,remember the horse meat scandal ,if that can get in the system what else can

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By *V-AliceTV/TS over a year ago

Ayr

"People will buy the cheapest, which will not be British therefore shrinking their market share. Sad really."

Yep. This. Plus, in a few months there will be millions more people on Universal Credit, when the reduced furlough scheme means employers can't keep them on any more.

People on a restricted budget - and there are already millions more of them than some people posting in here realise - won't be buying British if they can't afford to.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If on holiday in America would you ask were the chicken or beef or pork comes from NO

Do you know the majority of chicken sold in KFC come from UK suppliers who purchases it from factories in Latvia it's full of brine very little chicken produced in the UK is sold in the UK"

Evidence to support that claim?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's quite simple really only buy british ,so much for European standards ,remember the horse meat scandal ,if that can get in the system what else can "

This is the point, if the US gets its way you will not be able to distinguish.

Labelling distinguishing origins of products will be banned.

This is a criteria for a US trade deal.

Local producers, eg, farm shops, will have to lower their standards to compete with the imports.

So in the light of US imports, how should I committ to "just buying British?"

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By *eroy1000Man over a year ago

milton keynes

Country of origin on the label or some clear indicator on the label is key. That way it's left to market demand. If people choose to have such products that's their choice. If not enough choose it then they will not last long as no point shipping products over just to have it go unsold.

It may help reduce the price of non USA chicken as they to Will need to compete

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By *ty31Man over a year ago

NW London

Am I the only one who doesn't see why it's such a big issue? If you don't want to eat chlorine washed chicken then why not just buy British?

If I was a poultry farmer I would get labels made up saying in big letters NOT CHLORINATED!!

Besides, I wonder how many people in this country know or even care where their low priced food originates from? Morrison's chicken used in sandwiches mostly comes all the way from Thailand for example.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS over a year ago

Horsham

"What a surprise after gove promising never to open the market to it now looks like it'll go ahead.. I'll not be eating chicken again then

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chlorinated-chicken-british-markets-us-trade-deal-trump-a9548431.html#gsc.tab=0"

You seem surprised.

I wonder if the NHS, is still off the table.

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

Part of the deal expected by the USA is the labelling will not show country of origin. So good luck with buy British.

Why would any sane person want lower standard foods? The standards are their to protect you and yes it’s more expensive by pennies but it’s safer.

Whilst the American chicken is laced with salmonella, their hormone treated beef is just scary.

We elect our leaders to protect us, not do deals with corporate conglomerates. I wonder which food companies our Ministers are lining up to work for as consultants when they retire from Parliament.

The politicians in this country like the American chicken stink!, .

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By *oghunter33Woman over a year ago

on the hill NordWest of

The chlorinated chicken is only the beginning, there's more to come...

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

So here we are;

From quote “Easiest Deal in the world” to

Lower food standards to match the crap in the USA ( family there say it is bad)

Border with NI

Customs costs to business where today there are none.

No trade deals of any significance.

No replacement for our closest trading partner.

No sign of that £350m a week on that bloody bus

The pound fast becoming worthless. (Slight exaggeration but it’s going to hurt)

Banks moved hundreds of billions so far out of U.K.

Dyson paying his taxes in Singapore

Reece Mogg paying his tax in Ireland

Daily Mail not paying any corporation tax in UK

All three pushing Brexit but running away from UK tax System and being tied to the UK, so fuck you jack I’m alright.

Working European migrants going home ( they pay tax)

Dependant migrants coming in to the Uk from outside the EU increasing ( they don’t pay tax just receive benefits) - So much for control of borders.

Will someone please tell me what are and when will the benefits of Brexit kick in? I’m still waiting on some positive news. Oh and Nissan have just warned if it’s a no deal then all bets are off!

Looks like we’ll be taking back control of a terminal basket case pretty soon.

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By *or Fox SakeCouple over a year ago

Thornaby

"Will British produced food be lower in standard?

Dual-tarrifs will provide protection to British producers "

You can't have dual tarrifs under WTO

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Everybody understands WTO rules, they seem to know better than Pascal Many seemingly...as I said, flat earthers..

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By *uninlondon69Man over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

An ideological fantasy, designed to enhance the bank balances of the rich. Sold as a nationalistic wet-dream to people simple enough to be convinced by a cult mentality all under the umbrella of a an outdated, English exceptionalist ideal, which last existed in Victorian Britain.

We are the only nation on Earth to impose economic sancions on ourselves and restrict our own freedom of movement.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Lamy*.....bloody phone!

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By *eroy1000Man over a year ago

milton keynes

"Part of the deal expected by the USA is the labelling will not show country of origin. So good luck with buy British.

Why would any sane person want lower standard foods? The standards are their to protect you and yes it’s more expensive by pennies but it’s safer.

Whilst the American chicken is laced with salmonella, their hormone treated beef is just scary.

We elect our leaders to protect us, not do deals with corporate conglomerates. I wonder which food companies our Ministers are lining up to work for as consultants when they retire from Parliament.

The politicians in this country like the American chicken stink!, . "

The label is key I think to give choice.

Will it stop non USA chicken being labelled in a way the supplier wants?

I was thinking non USA chicken suppliers need to find a way to differentiate their chicken

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"An ideological fantasy, designed to enhance the bank balances of the rich. Sold as a nationalistic wet-dream to people simple enough to be convinced by a cult mentality all under the umbrella of a an outdated, English exceptionalist ideal, which last existed in Victorian Britain.

We are the only nation on Earth to impose economic sancions on ourselves and restrict our own freedom of movement."

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By *dsindyTV/TS over a year ago

East Lancashire

We are the only nation on Earth to impose economic sancions on ourselves and restrict our own freedom of movement."

This.

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

We are the only nation on Earth to impose economic sancions on ourselves and restrict our own freedom of movement.

This.

Agree with this

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

So all this fuss,Boris has said no to the chickens just more anti Boris fake news.

Liz Truss has been told.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you're really concerned about your health don't eat any dead animals. Unless you're into corpses marinaded in their own and others faeces with a bit of e coli or campylobacter here and there. Unless you're intent on inflammation of the gut and obesity amongst other conditions. Unless you want to get cancer at some point. You've been eating shite for years, chlorinated chicken is just another level of shiteness. Supply and demand, selling dead animals to dead animals. Makes a lot of money for some very rich folk, but it's debatable whether they're even human. Definitely dead inside.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So all this fuss,Boris has said no to the chickens just more anti Boris fake news.

Liz Truss has been told.

You would defend this lot of they burnt your house down and shit on your lawn. I've never seen such blind tribalism

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There is a lot we can't inport now because of EU rules, when we leave we can illegally inport bat wings from China. Foot note you don't have to buy them? "

Bat wings will probably get minced and end up in your your ready meals. Bat wings lasagne anyone? Already happened with horsemeat.

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"There is a lot we can't inport now because of EU rules, when we leave we can illegally inport bat wings from China. Foot note you don't have to buy them?

Bat wings will probably get minced and end up in your your ready meals. Bat wings lasagne anyone? Already happened with horsemeat. "

That's true enough about the horse meat problem and happened while we were full members of the EU

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There is a lot we can't inport now because of EU rules, when we leave we can illegally inport bat wings from China. Foot note you don't have to buy them?

Bat wings will probably get minced and end up in your your ready meals. Bat wings lasagne anyone? Already happened with horsemeat.

That's true enough about the horse meat problem and happened while we were full members of the EU"

So what? I'm vegan so talking about food standards in relation to animal lives whether in the EU or outside it is irrelevant.

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"There is a lot we can't inport now because of EU rules, when we leave we can illegally inport bat wings from China. Foot note you don't have to buy them?

Bat wings will probably get minced and end up in your your ready meals. Bat wings lasagne anyone? Already happened with horsemeat.

That's true enough about the horse meat problem and happened while we were full members of the EU

So what? I'm vegan so talking about food standards in relation to animal lives whether in the EU or outside it is irrelevant. "

Maybe not relevant to you then. Just the non vegans have to put up with horse meat - still its EU horse meat so meets the standards

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There is a lot we can't inport now because of EU rules, when we leave we can illegally inport bat wings from China. Foot note you don't have to buy them?

Bat wings will probably get minced and end up in your your ready meals. Bat wings lasagne anyone? Already happened with horsemeat.

That's true enough about the horse meat problem and happened while we were full members of the EU

So what? I'm vegan so talking about food standards in relation to animal lives whether in the EU or outside it is irrelevant.

Maybe not relevant to you then. Just the non vegans have to put up with horse meat - still its EU horse meat so meets the standards"

I'm vegan, so having a no point having a discussion with you and other non-vegans about food standards in relation to other beings which I don't see as food or a commodity to be traded. No matter which trading block we find ourselves in.

Non-vegans have choice. Many horses have to 'put up' with being turned into meat.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

quick question.....

Does anyone actually know WHY chicken from the us is banned by the EU?

P.s its not to do with the Chlorine as such.... its what the Chlorine "covers up"

in the US it is actually legal to feed Chickens "antibiotics" (its done for disease reasons so they don't lose as much stock...)

in the EU... they don't allow this practice for medical reasons..... theory again being if you are eating things with antibiotics in it, when you do actually need them, they may not be as effect or even you may create immunity against them!

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By *eroy1000Man over a year ago

milton keynes

"quick question.....

Does anyone actually know WHY chicken from the us is banned by the EU?

P.s its not to do with the Chlorine as such.... its what the Chlorine "covers up"

in the US it is actually legal to feed Chickens "antibiotics" (its done for disease reasons so they don't lose as much stock...)

That's interesting indeed. I never knew about the antibiotics.

I did once see an article that says the EU does not approve of how the U.S. chickens are processed. Much was to do with hygiene and how they are treated. They did say at the end that the final product was just as good as the EU chickens its the process they object to

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By *innie The MinxWoman over a year ago

Under the Duvet

No one mentions irradiated food anymore or GM crops.

Will be the same with chlorinated chicken, be a bit of an uproar and then it will be sneaked in to the food chain/normalised.

Any side effects will be pushed under the carpet.

All about money at the end of the day. Big food producers dont give a shit about us dozy consumers.

And us dozy consumers see cheap as good rather than realising cheap usually means somewhere along the line corners are being cut and quality is questionable at best,harmful at worst.

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By *ammskiMan over a year ago

lytham st.annes

"No one mentions irradiated food anymore or GM crops.

Will be the same with chlorinated chicken, be a bit of an uproar and then it will be sneaked in to the food chain/normalised.

Any side effects will be pushed under the carpet.

All about money at the end of the day. Big food producers dont give a shit about us dozy consumers.

And us dozy consumers see cheap as good rather than realising cheap usually means somewhere along the line corners are being cut and quality is questionable at best,harmful at worst.

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By *uninlondon69Man over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

"No one mentions irradiated food anymore or GM crops.

Will be the same with chlorinated chicken, be a bit of an uproar and then it will be sneaked in to the food chain/normalised.

Any side effects will be pushed under the carpet.

All about money at the end of the day. Big food producers dont give a shit about us dozy consumers.

And us dozy consumers see cheap as good rather than realising cheap usually means somewhere along the line corners are being cut and quality is questionable at best,harmful at worst.

Absolutely. If anyone thinks large numbers of people won't be driven by price, just consider this fact - supermarket own brand sausages are a thing. They exist because someone is buying them. If chlorinated chicken is cheap enough then people will buy it.

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By *eroy1000Man over a year ago

milton keynes

"No one mentions irradiated food anymore or GM crops.

Will be the same with chlorinated chicken, be a bit of an uproar and then it will be sneaked in to the food chain/normalised.

Any side effects will be pushed under the carpet.

All about money at the end of the day. Big food producers dont give a shit about us dozy consumers.

And us dozy consumers see cheap as good rather than realising cheap usually means somewhere along the line corners are being cut and quality is questionable at best,harmful at worst.

That's very true that price is a factor which is why I think either country of origin on the label or some other way non USA chickens can be easily identified is key. Then it's just down to personal choice

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By *nglishdoodMan over a year ago

Morristown

The Americans know full well that nobody will want their chicken, which is why they're pushing to have country of origin removed from labels.

I live in the US now and haven't had any problem with the food here yet. But go and watch 'Supersize Me 2' and judge for yourself how they treat chickens...even so-called 'free-range' ones. Worse though is how the farmers are fucked over by 'big poultry' but that's another story...

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Wonder what other great trade deals we have on the go?

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

Nothing a little jerk seasoning won’t sort out. And antibiotics who cares?

Not like we need them................

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As a poor person I will happily eat American chicken, if its cheaper, and other products to. They are our great friends and allies, go USA!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As a poor person I will happily eat American chicken, if its cheaper, and other products to. They are our great friends and allies, go USA! "

Our allies? Trump is gonna shaft us with a shit trade deal...'America First' remember that??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Without the USA we would have lost ww2, and be a nazi state, and the European Union waste billions on subsidies to farmers every year. I will happily eat cheaper American produce, and meat, no problem. Spend the subsidies on housing the homeless, not over fed,expectant, greedy farmers worried about Americans cheaper food. Go usa

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Without the USA we would have lost ww2, and be a nazi state, and the European Union waste billions on subsidies to farmers every year. I will happily eat cheaper American produce, and meat, no problem. Spend the subsidies on housing the homeless, not over fed,expectant, greedy farmers worried about Americans cheaper food. Go usa"

Erm, Russia played a huge part to. Are you a Trump fan then??

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Took them long enough to come in.

And you are forgetting Russias involvement.

Also quite irrelevant tbf.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am not a trump fan, but I don't do the populist knocking of our greatest ally the USA. I thought corbyns snubbing of trump was childish, he is the president of the most powerful country in the free world, you don't ignore someone like that, or the sacrifices of those brave American soldiers on d day, along with our brave soldiers. The nazis came very close to winning, and history is erasing just how evil Hitler and his gang were. So bring on American produce and trade.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am not a trump fan, but I don't do the populist knocking of our greatest ally the USA. I thought corbyns snubbing of trump was childish, he is the president of the most powerful country in the free world, you don't ignore someone like that, or the sacrifices of those brave American soldiers on d day, along with our brave soldiers. The nazis came very close to winning, and history is erasing just how evil Hitler and his gang were. So bring on American produce and trade. "

I don't think this deal is going to be good at all. Certainly nothing to celebrate.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

I dont get the link between trade and ww2.

As for childishness trump is the master.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Because they are our friends, and allies, and a former colony, historically linked to great Britain and Ireland, and language and culture. I don't like the left wing anti Americanism, and those who would have us a vassal of the European Union, and try to denigrate our national identity. I am English and very proud of it. If my American chicken is cheaper, bravo, bring it on.

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By *eroy1000Man over a year ago

milton keynes

"The Americans know full well that nobody will want their chicken, which is why they're pushing to have country of origin removed from labels.

We are only speculating on the final deal so until its finalised its hypothetical. That said as long as there is a way to know what is non USA chicken then it's all about choice and the market's will decide. Non USA suppliers just need to be able to show that on their labels or even packaging. As for WW2 both USA and Russia were vital. GB and the USA supplied Russia with equipment when they were on their darkest time

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Poor people want cheap food period, we have subsidiesed British and European farmers for long enough! Spend the money on affordable housing for poor people and the homeless, if they don't like it, then sell up! It's called the free market, and capitalism, not a endless grave train. If they don't like it, apply for universal credit lol.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They subsidize British and European farmers for billions, yet treat benefit Claimant’s as scroungers, what a double sided view, bring on cheap American food and products, go USA, you are welcome here!

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Because they are our friends, and allies, and a former colony, historically linked to great Britain and Ireland, and language and culture. I don't like the left wing anti Americanism, and those who would have us a vassal of the European Union, and try to denigrate our national identity. I am English and very proud of it. If my American chicken is cheaper, bravo, bring it on. "

I'm sure harry dunn"s family agree with you

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"They subsidize British and European farmers for billions, yet treat benefit Claimant’s as scroungers, what a double sided view, bring on cheap American food and products, go USA, you are welcome here! "

Who?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That was a tragedy, I hope is family gets justice for him. I just want cheap food, like most poor people in the uk

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Poor people want cheap food period, we have subsidiesed British and European farmers for long enough! Spend the money on affordable housing for poor people and the homeless, if they don't like it, then sell up! It's called the free market, and capitalism, not a endless grave train. If they don't like it, apply for universal credit lol. "

Not very patriotic are you? Put our farmers out of business and make them claim universal credit. I thought it was remainers that hated this country.

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By *rSinCityMan over a year ago

London

But but... the Germans helped brits vs Napoleon, and the Americans fought the British in their Independence war and before that native Americans were killing British settlers and so on... how far back in history do you go to find support for your views

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What a surprise after gove promising never to open the market to it now looks like it'll go ahead.. I'll not be eating chicken again then

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chlorinated-chicken-british-markets-us-trade-deal-trump-a9548431.html#gsc.tab=0"

I have wined and dined all over usa, nothing wrong with their food, including chicken

higher class restaurants provide excellent dining too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What a surprise after gove promising never to open the market to it now looks like it'll go ahead.. I'll not be eating chicken again then

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chlorinated-chicken-british-markets-us-trade-deal-trump-a9548431.html#gsc.tab=0

I have wined and dined all over usa, nothing wrong with their food, including chicken

higher class restaurants provide excellent dining too"

I dunno where you have been but the food in the US is largely shit unless you pay top dollar. Look health problems they have, not a great advert is it eh???

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What a surprise after gove promising never to open the market to it now looks like it'll go ahead.. I'll not be eating chicken again then

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chlorinated-chicken-british-markets-us-trade-deal-trump-a9548431.html#gsc.tab=0

I have wined and dined all over usa, nothing wrong with their food, including chicken

higher class restaurants provide excellent dining too

I dunno where you have been but the food in the US is largely shit unless you pay top dollar. Look health problems they have, not a great advert is it eh???"

driven through and dined in 32 states so far mostly North West usa as well as Hawaiian islands, even the local diners aint to bad, I admit I tend to fine dine, but I do love Bubby Gumps

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What a surprise after gove promising never to open the market to it now looks like it'll go ahead.. I'll not be eating chicken again then

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chlorinated-chicken-british-markets-us-trade-deal-trump-a9548431.html#gsc.tab=0

I have wined and dined all over usa, nothing wrong with their food, including chicken

higher class restaurants provide excellent dining too

I dunno where you have been but the food in the US is largely shit unless you pay top dollar. Look health problems they have, not a great advert is it eh???

driven through and dined in 32 states so far mostly North West usa as well as Hawaiian islands, even the local diners aint to bad, I admit I tend to fine dine, but I do love Bubby Gumps"

I thought it was mostly tasteless guff....each to their own

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The USA, was a British colony with the founding of Jamestown in 1609,with the arrival of captain John Smith on the speedwell, long before the pilgrim fathers. Until 1776 it was a important part of the British empire, and we spent a lot of money on it, and trying to keep it. We share a common language and history and shared values, and legacy of the first period of the British empire. They might have won their freedom by force, and gone their own way, but the legacy remains to this day, and in all the former nations of the British empire. So I am happy to support cheaper American products. As for British and European farmers, let them face the world markets why should they be subsidize? Its called capitalism and the free market.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

People seriously think we have a special relationship with them

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Apparently the states use 57 pesticides which have been banned in this country and are linked to hyperactivity in children.

Still cheap chicken.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The USA, was a British colony with the founding of Jamestown in 1609,with the arrival of captain John Smith on the speedwell, long before the pilgrim fathers. Until 1776 it was a important part of the British empire, and we spent a lot of money on it, and trying to keep it. We share a common language and history and shared values, and legacy of the first period of the British empire. They might have won their freedom by force, and gone their own way, but the legacy remains to this day, and in all the former nations of the British empire. So I am happy to support cheaper American products. As for British and European farmers, let them face the world markets why should they be subsidize? Its called capitalism and the free market. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The left wing like corbyn Khan etc may try to spark anti Americanism but without Americans help in ww2 they would have no voice to criticise!. You would have no freedom of speech under the nazis, you would be removed to a concentration camp, they should remember that. It's scaremongering, about USA produce, from protectionist and europhiles,.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"The left wing like corbyn Khan etc may try to spark anti Americanism but without Americans help in ww2 they would have no voice to criticise!. You would have no freedom of speech under the nazis, you would be removed to a concentration camp, they should remember that. It's scaremongering, about USA produce, from protectionist and europhiles,. "

I'd Google russia ww2 if I were you.

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By *al2001Man over a year ago

kildare

I have the deliverance scene in my head so often now

"Scream like a pig fat boy" as trump fucks Boris in the ass with his little sausage cock

Although I'd rather be fucked in the ass by trump than eat one mouthful of the abscess and pus filled meat that's going to be available in UK shops now,and that's the genuine truth

And this is just the start of it,because the UK has absolutely no fucking choice.full stop.

Oink oink boris

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That is a very good film. Regarding trade, the USA is a vast market for the UK, and we a great market for their food. If American farmers produce cheaper food all the better for the UK poor. European and British farmers have been subsidiesed for years, for billions. Let them compete with the world market, if they don't like it, get another job, and sell up. The gravey train is a waste of money, which would be better spent on other things, like housing for poor people and the homeless.

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By *al2001Man over a year ago

kildare

"That is a very good film. Regarding trade, the USA is a vast market for the UK, and we a great market for their food. If American farmers produce cheaper food all the better for the UK poor. European and British farmers have been subsidiesed for years, for billions. Let them compete with the world market, if they don't like it, get another job, and sell up. The gravey train is a waste of money, which would be better spent on other things, like housing for poor people and the homeless. "

Eating dangerous substandard food is no win for the poor.and no one has said it will be cheaper to the consumer,it's just cheaper to produce

Equals more dollars for big business

Letting this cancer beyond your borders is insanity

But I'd expect nothing better from Boris now

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By *ichiebigMan over a year ago

nenagh

Feast away on American chicken, beef and pork, it is full of antibiotics and, much worse,hormone treatment, basically the male animal is implanted with female hormones and the female animal is implanted with Male hormones, this causes huge but unnatural growth and meat production, of course when humans consume this meat the unnatural hormones accumulate in their bodies, so in 10 years of eating America meat in your burgers and KFC etc. Every teenage boy in Britain will have a pair of boobs and every teenage girl will have a beard,

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

What is this gravy train?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The common agricultural policy as spent billions on European farmers, in subsidy payments. Yet they villiffy benefit Claimant’s as scroungers! How unfair, we need another wat Tyler and peasants revolt.

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By *eroy1000Man over a year ago

milton keynes

"Feast away on American chicken, beef and pork, it is full of antibiotics and, much worse,hormone treatment, basically the male animal is implanted with female hormones and the female animal is implanted with Male hormones, this causes huge but unnatural growth and meat production, of course when humans consume this meat the unnatural hormones accumulate in their bodies, so in 10 years of eating America meat in your burgers and KFC etc. Every teenage boy in Britain will have a pair of boobs and every teenage girl will have a beard, "

Are you saying this has happened in America?

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

If your happy to eat hormone treated food then fill your boots but I care about the production quality of my food.

The farmers we’re subsidised originally to guarantee food for all in Europe and to stabilise farming. I totally agree the grant system has become bloated, corrupt and needs reforming.

Be careful what you wish for from America. You get food stamps for being unemployed but no healthcare and in some states your cast aside after 6 months of unemployment.

We speak the same language but have very little in common with America.

SOME farmers are far to overpaid and SOME benefit people are scroungers.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If your happy to eat hormone treated food then fill your boots but I care about the production quality of my food.

The farmers we’re subsidised originally to guarantee food for all in Europe and to stabilise farming. I totally agree the grant system has become bloated, corrupt and needs reforming.

Be careful what you wish for from America. You get food stamps for being unemployed but no healthcare and in some states your cast aside after 6 months of unemployment.

We speak the same language but have very little in common with America.

SOME farmers are far to overpaid and SOME benefit people are scroungers.

It will be like everything else. We will have a choice of both. Like only buy free range eggs, not caged. The people that can afford to pay the extra will not buy it, anyone that could put the pound saving to better use will buy the cheaper option.

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By *al2001Man over a year ago

kildare

If your happy to eat hormone treated food then fill your boots but I care about the production quality of my food.

The farmers we’re subsidised originally to guarantee food for all in Europe and to stabilise farming. I totally agree the grant system has become bloated, corrupt and needs reforming.

Be careful what you wish for from America. You get food stamps for being unemployed but no healthcare and in some states your cast aside after 6 months of unemployment.

We speak the same language but have very little in common with America.

SOME farmers are far to overpaid and SOME benefit people are scroungers.

Big US business will buy out British farmers and they will produce cheap meat to there standard

There are no small farmers in the states

You can still buy good Irish meat but that will be a premium product and expensive

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By *al2001Man over a year ago

kildare

And this is only the beginning

The beginning of the end thanks to Boris

US drug companies given free reign next

We know this because Boris said it definitely won't happen,like the food standards

NHS paying through the nose for medicines,tens of millions extra every year

We know this because Boris said it wouldnt happen

And this is just the start

Boris is in power only a wet week and look what he's managed to do already

What will be left of UK after 5 years of Boris?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If your happy to eat hormone treated food then fill your boots but I care about the production quality of my food.

The farmers we’re subsidised originally to guarantee food for all in Europe and to stabilise farming. I totally agree the grant system has become bloated, corrupt and needs reforming.

Be careful what you wish for from America. You get food stamps for being unemployed but no healthcare and in some states your cast aside after 6 months of unemployment.

We speak the same language but have very little in common with America.

SOME farmers are far to overpaid and SOME benefit people are scroungers.

Big US business will buy out British farmers and they will produce cheap meat to there standard

There are no small farmers in the states

You can still buy good Irish meat but that will be a premium product and expensive"

Absolute rubbish, there are thousands of small farms in the US that sell directly to consumers, the same as farm shops here do. The choice of what to buy and where from will remain.

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By *al2001Man over a year ago

kildare

If your happy to eat hormone treated food then fill your boots but I care about the production quality of my food.

The farmers we’re subsidised originally to guarantee food for all in Europe and to stabilise farming. I totally agree the grant system has become bloated, corrupt and needs reforming.

Be careful what you wish for from America. You get food stamps for being unemployed but no healthcare and in some states your cast aside after 6 months of unemployment.

We speak the same language but have very little in common with America.

SOME farmers are far to overpaid and SOME benefit people are scroungers.

Big US business will buy out British farmers and they will produce cheap meat to there standard

There are no small farmers in the states

You can still buy good Irish meat but that will be a premium product and expensive

Absolute rubbish, there are thousands of small farms in the US that sell directly to consumers, the same as farm shops here do. The choice of what to buy and where from will remain."

That's rubbish.small farms are been eaten by corporate farming

And the consumer will have no choice because the US is insisting on a no country of origin labelling,which they will get because the British have zero choice because they are in no position to negotiate

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If your happy to eat hormone treated food then fill your boots but I care about the production quality of my food.

The farmers we’re subsidised originally to guarantee food for all in Europe and to stabilise farming. I totally agree the grant system has become bloated, corrupt and needs reforming.

Be careful what you wish for from America. You get food stamps for being unemployed but no healthcare and in some states your cast aside after 6 months of unemployment.

We speak the same language but have very little in common with America.

SOME farmers are far to overpaid and SOME benefit people are scroungers.

Big US business will buy out British farmers and they will produce cheap meat to there standard

There are no small farmers in the states

You can still buy good Irish meat but that will be a premium product and expensive

Absolute rubbish, there are thousands of small farms in the US that sell directly to consumers, the same as farm shops here do. The choice of what to buy and where from will remain.

That's rubbish.small farms are been eaten by corporate farming

Stop portraying your opinion as fact. There are thousands of independent farms in the US that sell high quality products. The US does also not require the removal of the country of origin on its produce. Suppliers don't have to include it, but there is nothing preventing them putting it in a label. So UK products could easily be labelled as such and people would remain free to make a choice.

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By *al2001Man over a year ago

kildare

If your happy to eat hormone treated food then fill your boots but I care about the production quality of my food.

The farmers we’re subsidised originally to guarantee food for all in Europe and to stabilise farming. I totally agree the grant system has become bloated, corrupt and needs reforming.

Be careful what you wish for from America. You get food stamps for being unemployed but no healthcare and in some states your cast aside after 6 months of unemployment.

We speak the same language but have very little in common with America.

SOME farmers are far to overpaid and SOME benefit people are scroungers.

Big US business will buy out British farmers and they will produce cheap meat to there standard

There are no small farmers in the states

You can still buy good Irish meat but that will be a premium product and expensive

Absolute rubbish, there are thousands of small farms in the US that sell directly to consumers, the same as farm shops here do. The choice of what to buy and where from will remain.

That's rubbish.small farms are been eaten by corporate farming

Corporate America will prevent it being put on the label

The almighty dollar will dictate that

You won't have much choice when you eat out will you

But this is what you signed up for

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If your happy to eat hormone treated food then fill your boots but I care about the production quality of my food.

The farmers we’re subsidised originally to guarantee food for all in Europe and to stabilise farming. I totally agree the grant system has become bloated, corrupt and needs reforming.

Be careful what you wish for from America. You get food stamps for being unemployed but no healthcare and in some states your cast aside after 6 months of unemployment.

We speak the same language but have very little in common with America.

SOME farmers are far to overpaid and SOME benefit people are scroungers.

Big US business will buy out British farmers and they will produce cheap meat to there standard

There are no small farmers in the states

You can still buy good Irish meat but that will be a premium product and expensive

Absolute rubbish, there are thousands of small farms in the US that sell directly to consumers, the same as farm shops here do. The choice of what to buy and where from will remain.

That's rubbish.small farms are been eaten by corporate farming

Corporate America will prevent it being put on the label

The almighty dollar will dictate that

You won't have much choice when you eat out will you

But this is what you signed up for "

So your still guessing what will happen then.

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By *al2001Man over a year ago

kildare

If your happy to eat hormone treated food then fill your boots but I care about the production quality of my food.

The farmers we’re subsidised originally to guarantee food for all in Europe and to stabilise farming. I totally agree the grant system has become bloated, corrupt and needs reforming.

Be careful what you wish for from America. You get food stamps for being unemployed but no healthcare and in some states your cast aside after 6 months of unemployment.

We speak the same language but have very little in common with America.

SOME farmers are far to overpaid and SOME benefit people are scroungers.

Big US business will buy out British farmers and they will produce cheap meat to there standard

There are no small farmers in the states

You can still buy good Irish meat but that will be a premium product and expensive

Absolute rubbish, there are thousands of small farms in the US that sell directly to consumers, the same as farm shops here do. The choice of what to buy and where from will remain.

That's rubbish.small farms are been eaten by corporate farming

Corporate America will prevent it being put on the label

The almighty dollar will dictate that

You won't have much choice when you eat out will you

But this is what you signed up for

So your still guessing what will happen then. "

I know exactly what will happen

Us will get its way because UK has absolutely no choice thanks to the position you're in

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If your happy to eat hormone treated food then fill your boots but I care about the production quality of my food.

The farmers we’re subsidised originally to guarantee food for all in Europe and to stabilise farming. I totally agree the grant system has become bloated, corrupt and needs reforming.

Be careful what you wish for from America. You get food stamps for being unemployed but no healthcare and in some states your cast aside after 6 months of unemployment.

We speak the same language but have very little in common with America.

SOME farmers are far to overpaid and SOME benefit people are scroungers.

Big US business will buy out British farmers and they will produce cheap meat to there standard

There are no small farmers in the states

You can still buy good Irish meat but that will be a premium product and expensive

Absolute rubbish, there are thousands of small farms in the US that sell directly to consumers, the same as farm shops here do. The choice of what to buy and where from will remain.

That's rubbish.small farms are been eaten by corporate farming

Corporate America will prevent it being put on the label

The almighty dollar will dictate that

You won't have much choice when you eat out will you

But this is what you signed up for

So your still guessing what will happen then.

I know exactly what will happen

Us will get its way because UK has absolutely no choice thanks to the position you're in

No you don't know what will happen because it hasn't been negotiated yet. You are guessing that the US will insist on something they haven't even enforced in their own market yet.

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By *al2001Man over a year ago

kildare

If your happy to eat hormone treated food then fill your boots but I care about the production quality of my food.

The farmers we’re subsidised originally to guarantee food for all in Europe and to stabilise farming. I totally agree the grant system has become bloated, corrupt and needs reforming.

Be careful what you wish for from America. You get food stamps for being unemployed but no healthcare and in some states your cast aside after 6 months of unemployment.

We speak the same language but have very little in common with America.

SOME farmers are far to overpaid and SOME benefit people are scroungers.

Big US business will buy out British farmers and they will produce cheap meat to there standard

There are no small farmers in the states

You can still buy good Irish meat but that will be a premium product and expensive

Absolute rubbish, there are thousands of small farms in the US that sell directly to consumers, the same as farm shops here do. The choice of what to buy and where from will remain.

That's rubbish.small farms are been eaten by corporate farming

Corporate America will prevent it being put on the label

The almighty dollar will dictate that

You won't have much choice when you eat out will you

But this is what you signed up for

So your still guessing what will happen then.

I know exactly what will happen

Us will get its way because UK has absolutely no choice thanks to the position you're in

No you don't know what will happen because it hasn't been negotiated yet. You are guessing that the US will insist on something they haven't even enforced in their own market yet."

Saying it hasn't been negotiated yet suggests that UK has some say in all this,and thanks to the hole Boris has dug for you,you really dont

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If your happy to eat hormone treated food then fill your boots but I care about the production quality of my food.

The farmers we’re subsidised originally to guarantee food for all in Europe and to stabilise farming. I totally agree the grant system has become bloated, corrupt and needs reforming.

Be careful what you wish for from America. You get food stamps for being unemployed but no healthcare and in some states your cast aside after 6 months of unemployment.

We speak the same language but have very little in common with America.

SOME farmers are far to overpaid and SOME benefit people are scroungers.

Big US business will buy out British farmers and they will produce cheap meat to there standard

There are no small farmers in the states

You can still buy good Irish meat but that will be a premium product and expensive

Absolute rubbish, there are thousands of small farms in the US that sell directly to consumers, the same as farm shops here do. The choice of what to buy and where from will remain.

That's rubbish.small farms are been eaten by corporate farming

Corporate America will prevent it being put on the label

The almighty dollar will dictate that

You won't have much choice when you eat out will you

But this is what you signed up for

So your still guessing what will happen then.

I know exactly what will happen

Us will get its way because UK has absolutely no choice thanks to the position you're in

No you don't know what will happen because it hasn't been negotiated yet. You are guessing that the US will insist on something they haven't even enforced in their own market yet.

Saying it hasn't been negotiated yet suggests that UK has some say in all this,and thanks to the hole Boris has dug for you,you really dont"

Again, you are assuming that the US will insist on something they haven't done even in their own domestic market. As for no say, again, rubbish. The US wants to sell its products here, that can't happen if we say no, therefore they have to negotiate, same goes for us, we want to sell more in the US, we negotiate. Same as happens for every other country for every other trade deal.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not saying if us food standards are any good, but we have been buying food from all over the world. Asia,south America,Africa never heard anyone saying they don't meet our standards. They had to meet EU standards, think we can do the same on our own.

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By *al2001Man over a year ago

kildare

If your happy to eat hormone treated food then fill your boots but I care about the production quality of my food.

The farmers we’re subsidised originally to guarantee food for all in Europe and to stabilise farming. I totally agree the grant system has become bloated, corrupt and needs reforming.

Be careful what you wish for from America. You get food stamps for being unemployed but no healthcare and in some states your cast aside after 6 months of unemployment.

We speak the same language but have very little in common with America.

SOME farmers are far to overpaid and SOME benefit people are scroungers.

Big US business will buy out British farmers and they will produce cheap meat to there standard

There are no small farmers in the states

You can still buy good Irish meat but that will be a premium product and expensive

Absolute rubbish, there are thousands of small farms in the US that sell directly to consumers, the same as farm shops here do. The choice of what to buy and where from will remain.

That's rubbish.small farms are been eaten by corporate farming

Corporate America will prevent it being put on the label

The almighty dollar will dictate that

You won't have much choice when you eat out will you

But this is what you signed up for

So your still guessing what will happen then.

I know exactly what will happen

Us will get its way because UK has absolutely no choice thanks to the position you're in

No you don't know what will happen because it hasn't been negotiated yet. You are guessing that the US will insist on something they haven't even enforced in their own market yet.

Saying it hasn't been negotiated yet suggests that UK has some say in all this,and thanks to the hole Boris has dug for you,you really dont

Why would the US insist on no country of origin labelling in the US?

That makes no sense

And really the UK market is nothing to the US

It's the huge US market that is vital to America post Brexit

It's a different type of negotiation that would happen between EU and US,need each other

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By *al2001Man over a year ago

kildare

"Not saying if us food standards are any good, but we have been buying food from all over the world. Asia,south America,Africa never heard anyone saying they don't meet our standards. They had to meet EU standards, think we can do the same on our own."

You don't really get it

You only were buying food from all over the world because they met EU standards

Should on you will be buying food that meets US standards,which is dangerous and disgusting

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You don't really get it

You only were buying food from all over the world because they met EU standards

Should on you will be buying food that meets US standards,which is dangerous and disgusting"

You mean the same foods that in excess of 330,00000 people eat every single day and live to ripe old ages? The biggest issues in the US is the volume and manner in which the food is cooked. They have super sized portions and a love of things deep fried! I'll admit corn syrup is an unhealthy ingredient, but again it is possible to minimise that intake the same as some choose to do in the US and even in the US they are taking steps to remove it from their products.

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By *al2001Man over a year ago

kildare

You don't really get it

You only were buying food from all over the world because they met EU standards

Should on you will be buying food that meets US standards,which is dangerous and disgusting

Corn syrup is the least of it

Meat full of hormones and all kinds to of drugs to increase profits, pus from infected animals immune to antibiotics

But this is what you seem to be ok with so eat up

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By *uninlondon69Man over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

"From the Byline Times in February:

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"From the Byline Times in February:

And you are absolutely certain that those figures directly relate to commercially prepared food are you? Nothing people have eaten past its use by date? Not to mention the US tends to have a higher number of people that can and preserve their own food. One little mis step in the heating or leak in a tin and definitely paying a visit to hospital.

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By *al2001Man over a year ago

kildare

Lots of studies have linked shocking US food standards to a range of illnesses and deaths

All these hormones,drugs and practises are banned in the EU for a reason

They were decisions on bans that the UK had a part in making with the eu

Now what have you?

No choice in any of this now

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By *eroy1000Man over a year ago

milton keynes

Regarding what may or may not happen in the trade deal I expect the U.S. has done deals with other countries in the past. Is there case's where they have insisted on no country of origin on labels? Just wondering if there is history of this in their deals

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By *al2001Man over a year ago

kildare

"Regarding what may or may not happen in the trade deal I expect the U.S. has done deals with other countries in the past. Is there case's where they have insisted on no country of origin on labels? Just wondering if there is history of this in their deals"

I have no idea,they are insisting on it now tho

They are ruthless and might just be using UKs weak position to their advantage

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By *eroy1000Man over a year ago

milton keynes

I have no idea,they are insisting on it now tho

They are ruthless and might just be using UKs weak position to their advantage"

So no history of them doing this to other countries. Many countries around the world that trade with the U.S. are far weaker than the UK even with brexit have they not insisted it happens with them

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By *al2001Man over a year ago

kildare

I have no idea,they are insisting on it now tho

They are ruthless and might just be using UKs weak position to their advantage

So no history of them doing this to other countries. Many countries around the world that trade with the U.S. are far weaker than the UK even with brexit have they not insisted it happens with them"

Most countries ban us meat never mind have them label it

EU,China,Russia,Japan

160 countries ban it,and those that didn't were made take it after being bullied in us trade deals,not out of choice

Sound familiar?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have no idea,they are insisting on it now tho

They are ruthless and might just be using UKs weak position to their advantage

So no history of them doing this to other countries. Many countries around the world that trade with the U.S. are far weaker than the UK even with brexit have they not insisted it happens with them

Most countries ban us meat never mind have them label it

EU,China,Russia,Japan

160 countries ban it,and those that didn't were made take it after being bullied in us trade deals,not out of choice

Sound familiar?

The EU does allow American beef for instance. About 23,000 metric tons was their quota last year (about 6% of EU beef imports). They just don't allow hormone treated products. Contrary to what you seem to think, the US can and does produce high quality products as well as cheap stuff. Same goes for China, not everything from there has the quality of a cracker toy.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I have no idea,they are insisting on it now tho

They are ruthless and might just be using UKs weak position to their advantage

So no history of them doing this to other countries. Many countries around the world that trade with the U.S. are far weaker than the UK even with brexit have they not insisted it happens with them

Most countries ban us meat never mind have them label it

EU,China,Russia,Japan

160 countries ban it,and those that didn't were made take it after being bullied in us trade deals,not out of choice

Sound familiar?

and funny enough they do let in anything from china that doesn't comply to EU safety standards.... case in point, certain fireworks

so if your arguement is that the US are sending us the good stuff rather than the Stuff that has HGH Hormones and Steroids in it... so we should allow in all of it!!!

are you listening to yourself???

I honestly would have thought the fact that a lot of chicken producers put antibiotics into the feed would have been enough to say no....

but some of you are so bloody blinded... you are prepared to bend over and take it!

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By *eroy1000Man over a year ago

milton keynes

I have no idea,they are insisting on it now tho

They are ruthless and might just be using UKs weak position to their advantage

So no history of them doing this to other countries. Many countries around the world that trade with the U.S. are far weaker than the UK even with brexit have they not insisted it happens with them

Most countries ban us meat never mind have them label it

EU,China,Russia,Japan

160 countries ban it,and those that didn't were made take it after being bullied in us trade deals,not out of choice

Sound familiar?

I assume you have proof that 160 countries ban it?

Of the ones that do take US chicken are they forced to have the country of origin not shown on the label?

Are you claiming that all non US chicken suppliers will also be forced to remove country of origin as well?

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By *uninlondon69Man over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

Are those of you supporting this not bothered about the lies? On both the HOC and media interviews several ministers promised that chlorinated chicken wouldn't be permitted. These were not vague things, they were categoric assurances that food standards would not be reduced here.

You voted for a lie, dozens of provable lies. You were conned and we all suffer as a result. Why are you so pleased about that?

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By *eroy1000Man over a year ago

milton keynes

"Are those of you supporting this not bothered about the lies? On both the HOC and media interviews several ministers promised that chlorinated chicken wouldn't be permitted. These were not vague things, they were categoric assurances that food standards would not be reduced here.

You voted for a lie, dozens of provable lies. You were conned and we all suffer as a result. Why are you so pleased about that?"

Personally I am neither supporting or not supporting it as so far its purely speculation. Until its agreed we don't know. If it turns out to be true I think it's down to personal preferences. This is why identifying where produce comes from or more does not come from is key.

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By *ackal1Couple over a year ago

Manchester

We are we even considering negotiating?

We shouldn’t be waiting on the outcome of a negotiation.

American food standards are blatantly poorer than ours today!

We should not be considering lowering standards.

There is no reason to consider this in any negotiations or do we not give a toss about our health, or more importantly the health of our children

Are our government so naive to let this happen? Of course not they are just letting the news out slowly.

Would you buy a car that looks the same but has sub standard brakes as long as it’s cheaper?

No you wouldn’t.

We as voters seem to be accepting that stupid and lying is the new way of our government.

When will we wake up to this bullshit!,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't recall the government ever saying they wanted to or were going to reduce standards, in fact there brief for the negotiations with the US state that the uk would not be lowering its standards.

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By *al2001Man over a year ago

kildare

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By *al2001Man over a year ago

kildare

"I don't recall the government ever saying they wanted to or were going to reduce standards, in fact there brief for the negotiations with the US state that the uk would not be lowering its standards."

Their brief may have been but the US brief is to insist on it

And UK will have no choice

So much for taking back control

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By *al2001Man over a year ago

kildare

It's bee reported that UK has accepted US demands about food standards,Boris is still lying tho

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"What a surprise after gove promising never to open the market to it now looks like it'll go ahead.. I'll not be eating chicken again then

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chlorinated-chicken-british-markets-us-trade-deal-trump-a9548431.html#gsc.tab=0"

"Yummy!" says the Daily Mash. One of the benefits of global trade, surely?

Filthy chemical chicken and other recipes you can make after the US trade deal

11th June 2020

WHEN the UK/US trade deal happens and those pesky food standards are lowered we’ll be able to make all sorts of monstrous meals. Here are some suggestions.

Roast beef with antibiotics

A massive joint of dirt-cheap beef makes Sunday lunch perfect, doesn’t it? Unfortunately you’ll have ingested so many hormones, steroids and antibiotics you’ll turn into the Hulk and punch a hole in gran’s dining room wall because she didn’t pass the salt quickly enough.

Chemical chicken Kiev

A delicious parcel of chicken arrives on your plate, having been chemically washed to remove the filth it spent its miserable life living in. There’s nothing guaranteed to make you enjoy a meal more than desperately trying not to think about salmonella and chicken excrement.

Noodles with rat hair

US food producers have a ‘Defects Level Handbook’ which sets out the maximum number of foreign bodies that can be found in food before it’s put on the shelf. At 11 rodent hairs for every 25g, you can expect some deliciously furry dinners.

Baby food with toxic metals

A test of US food standards found that 95 per cent of baby food contained toxic metals, and they play fast and loose with sugar and E-numbers too. Forget the wholesome goodness of Deliciously Ella because the next generation of babies will grow up to be a cross between the Honey Monster and Robocop.

Oklahoma Stilton cheese

Anyone who has had the misfortune to have eaten Velveeta will know some American ‘cheese’ is actually just a scary lump of orange protein with no taste. The US says protected food names discriminates against making pleasant things to eat, so expect some super-bland foodstuffs claiming to be Stilton on the shelves soon."

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By *uninlondon69Man over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

The farmers are so convinced that they are organising a demo in Parliament Square next Saturday. They are asking for people to turn up in tractors!

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"The farmers are so convinced that they are organising a demo in Parliament Square next Saturday. They are asking for people to turn up in tractors!

"Project fear"? Seems to now be "Project Gaslight".

Don't believe what is actually happening. Ignore what you see and hear.

You're just imagining it. Nobody's worried about it, especially not farmers and it is not a fundamental aspect of all US trade negotiations

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By *al2001Man over a year ago

kildare

"The farmers are so convinced that they are organising a demo in Parliament Square next Saturday. They are asking for people to turn up in tractors!

Waste of time demoing parliament sq

Sure parliament don't get a say in this,Boris made sure of that

This is pure Boris

What could go wrong

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"quick question.....

Does anyone actually know WHY chicken from the us is banned by the EU?

P.s its not to do with the Chlorine as such.... its what the Chlorine "covers up"

in the US it is actually legal to feed Chickens "antibiotics" (its done for disease reasons so they don't lose as much stock...)

Tried explaining this in the past, not many understood the correlation between animal and food products and medical issues beyond diet.

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By *al2001Man over a year ago

kildare

Its not just the growth hormones,drugs and pus they allow in their food,a lot of the time the food doesn't even reach these poor standards and still gets into the food chain

They don't test enough or have the quality controls that we insist on

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Their brief may have been but the US brief is to insist on it

And UK will have no choice

So much for taking back control"
That's your opinion and you are entitled to it but it is not fact yet at all.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

Their brief may have been but the US brief is to insist on it

And UK will have no choice

So much for taking back control That's your opinion and you are entitled to it but it is not fact yet at all."

Why should the US make any concessions to us?

We sell more to the US than they do to us so by the Brexit negotiation "logic", they "hold all the cards".

Also, WTO trade terms are perfectly good, so why do we need any trade deals with anyone ever?

I'm interested in your thoughts on this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Their brief may have been but the US brief is to insist on it

And UK will have no choice

So much for taking back control That's your opinion and you are entitled to it but it is not fact yet at all.

Why should the US make any concessions to us?

We sell more to the US than they do to us so by the Brexit negotiation "logic", they "hold all the cards".

Also, WTO trade terms are perfectly good, so why do we need any trade deals with anyone ever?

I'm interested in your thoughts on this."
sorry but I am not playing anyones games on here, I just stated what was said is not yet true, whether it will or not become fact is a different matter.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

Their brief may have been but the US brief is to insist on it

And UK will have no choice

So much for taking back control That's your opinion and you are entitled to it but it is not fact yet at all.

Why should the US make any concessions to us?

We sell more to the US than they do to us so by the Brexit negotiation "logic", they "hold all the cards".

Also, WTO trade terms are perfectly good, so why do we need any trade deals with anyone ever?

I'm interested in your thoughts on this. sorry but I am not playing anyones games on here, I just stated what was said is not yet true, whether it will or not become fact is a different matter."

So you are posting to say that you are not interested in the post?

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By *eroy1000Man over a year ago

milton keynes

Good to see so many of the negotiators involved are swingers and use these forums

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"Good to see so many of the negotiators involved are swingers and use these forums"

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By *al2001Man over a year ago

kildare

"Good to see so many of the negotiators involved are swingers and use these forums"

They are refusing to deny it now

Only ones in denial are people like you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Their brief may have been but the US brief is to insist on it

And UK will have no choice

So much for taking back control That's your opinion and you are entitled to it but it is not fact yet at all.

Why should the US make any concessions to us?

We sell more to the US than they do to us so by the Brexit negotiation "logic", they "hold all the cards".

Also, WTO trade terms are perfectly good, so why do we need any trade deals with anyone ever?

I'm interested in your thoughts on this. sorry but I am not playing anyones games on here, I just stated what was said is not yet true, whether it will or not become fact is a different matter.

So you are posting to say that you are not interested in the post?

"
If that's what you want to take from my statement then fair enough, not what I said thou,and my thoughts on the matter are largely irrelevant just like yours as we are not the ones negotiating the various deals.

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By *kstallionMan over a year ago

milton keynes

"Good to see so many of the negotiators involved are swingers and use these forums"

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

How do you cope with the chlorine in tap water?

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"How do you cope with the chlorine in tap water?"

Shame that the Tory’s broke another promise...

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By *kstallionMan over a year ago

milton keynes

"How do you cope with the chlorine in tap water?

Shame that the Tory’s broke another promise...

What's this about tap water?

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"How do you cope with the chlorine in tap water?

Shame that the Tory’s broke another promise...

What's this about tap water?"

I don’t think they promised no chlorine in tap water. Ithink it was just no chlorine in chicken. Am I wrong?

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By *kstallionMan over a year ago

milton keynes

"How do you cope with the chlorine in tap water?

Shame that the Tory’s broke another promise...

What's this about tap water?

I don’t think they promised no chlorine in tap water. Ithink it was just no chlorine in chicken. Am I wrong?"

No idea was just asking what's this about tap water

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