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"You can't seriously expect to post that and expect to get no response or snide remarks? It's like the government giving guidelines on lockdown and people not to meet up; you didn't really have hope that people would listen, did you? All I was going to contribute was you don't actually know whether any other politician would have handled it better but you answered that in a comment further down. I don't think he did his best at all. There's a reason why other countries death rates are low and that's because their government took the right action." I did think I could post it and not get snide remarks, hence why I posted it. The comment on not replying with snide remarks is to dissuade said individuals, which I believe it did? I was of the group believing lockdown to be the incorrect choice of action due to the average individual in the UK being far far stupider than that of other countries, it only works if everyone follows, once it was shown that people weren't following, it should of been rescinded, but I understand why it wasn't, what with that being a metaphorical bullet in the head of his career in the eyes of the media. You think Boris knowingly chose a course of action that was non optimal in his eyes? Don't be silly, he did the best he could do with the options given to him. The fact that like 75% of the country consists of halfwit tards is not his fault. | |||
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"So, I keep seeing people hating on Boris Johnson for his reaction and response to the global pandemic that is covid-19.... Can we stop? Let's face it, no other british politician could of done any better, and before you say, "well actually, blah blah blah" A, there is no way to know if others would've done any better. B, he didn't start the pandemic, cut the man some slack, he is doing his best in a poor situation. This is not s thread to start political conversation, it's purely a venting opportunity so I can get all these tards bitching about Boris out of my head. If you have something constructive to add, by all means, be my guest, but if like the majority of the forum, you are going to jab and leave snide remarks, then please, don't." Very true no other would have done any better than what Boris has done but some may have done a lot worse So I say let’s chap for boris when it’s all over as he as saved many from bankruptcy and paid people to stay home not that most took any notice and still swanning around like they on holiday Nice one Boris I say  | |||
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"You can't seriously expect to post that and expect to get no response or snide remarks? It's like the government giving guidelines on lockdown and people not to meet up; you didn't really have hope that people would listen, did you? All I was going to contribute was you don't actually know whether any other politician would have handled it better but you answered that in a comment further down. I don't think he did his best at all. There's a reason why other countries death rates are low and that's because their government took the right action. I did think I could post it and not get snide remarks, hence why I posted it. The comment on not replying with snide remarks is to dissuade said individuals, which I believe it did? I was of the group believing lockdown to be the incorrect choice of action due to the average individual in the UK being far far stupider than that of other countries, it only works if everyone follows, once it was shown that people weren't following, it should of been rescinded, but I understand why it wasn't, what with that being a metaphorical bullet in the head of his career in the eyes of the media. You think Boris knowingly chose a course of action that was non optimal in his eyes? Don't be silly, he did the best he could do with the options given to him. The fact that like 75% of the country consists of halfwit tards is not his fault." But as usual he and his controllers are playing the halfwit tards. Hence giving them a set of “guidelines” that they would of course treat as optional, with or without a poor example from the PM’s advisor/handler. | |||
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"So, I keep seeing people hating on Boris Johnson for his reaction and response to the global pandemic that is covid-19.... Can we stop? Let's face it, no other british politician could of done any better, and before you say, "well actually, blah blah blah" A, there is no way to know if others would've done any better. B, he didn't start the pandemic, cut the man some slack, he is doing his best in a poor situation. This is not s thread to start political conversation, it's purely a venting opportunity so I can get all these tards bitching about Boris out of my head. If you have something constructive to add, by all means, be my guest, but if like the majority of the forum, you are going to jab and leave snide remarks, then please, don't." Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha Ohh I can’t breath Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Ohh wow, Boris the clown presides over the worst circus and deaths in Europe and you want to praise the mother fucker? I will never stop I will lobby for as long as I need to to make sure there is a full public inquest and the absolute weapon does some bird! | |||
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" But as usual he and his controllers are playing the halfwit tards. Hence giving them a set of “guidelines” that they would of course treat as optional, with or without a poor example from the PM’s advisor/handler." Again, you are another person that seemingly thinks they chose non optimally on purpose.... Why do people automatically think we have had the wool pulled over our eyes.... It's a situation the world has been in before.... But not in this modern era. And there's no reference point for how to deal with it. | |||
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" Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha Ohh I can’t breath Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Ohh wow, Boris the clown presides over the worst circus and deaths in Europe and you want to praise the mother fucker? I will never stop I will lobby for as long as I need to to make sure there is a full public inquest and the absolute weapon does some bird!" Oh look, somebody who seemingly doesn't understand basic English. Listen up now sir, I wasn't praising Boris, and you've nothing constructive to say, so why don't you say nothing? Nobody wants to listen to your inane ramblings. And you phrase it as if he has infected everyone himself, then shot the infected, making you sound even more like the halfwit tards I referenced previously. | |||
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"So, I keep seeing people hating on Boris Johnson for his reaction and response to the global pandemic that is covid-19.... Can we stop? Let's face it, no other british politician could of done any better, and before you say, "well actually, blah blah blah" A, there is no way to know if others would've done any better. B, he didn't start the pandemic, cut the man some slack, he is doing his best in a poor situation. This is not s thread to start political conversation, it's purely a venting opportunity so I can get all these tards bitching about Boris out of my head. If you have something constructive to add, by all means, be my guest, but if like the majority of the forum, you are going to jab and leave snide remarks, then please, don't. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha Ohh I can’t breath Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Ohh wow, Boris the clown presides over the worst circus and deaths in Europe and you want to praise the mother fucker? I will never stop I will lobby for as long as I need to to make sure there is a full public inquest and the absolute weapon does some bird!" I wish you all the best with that - these scumbags deserve a public inquest. | |||
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" But as usual he and his controllers are playing the halfwit tards. Hence giving them a set of “guidelines” that they would of course treat as optional, with or without a poor example from the PM’s advisor/handler. Again, you are another person that seemingly thinks they chose non optimally on purpose.... Why do people automatically think we have had the wool pulled over our eyes.... It's a situation the world has been in before.... But not in this modern era. And there's no reference point for how to deal with it. " Other countries provided reference points, but no, “follow the science” - the science of the politicians’ choice, that is. | |||
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" Other countries provided reference points, but no, “follow the science” - the science of the politicians’ choice, that is." Another message of inane ramblings. What reference point? When everyone was scrambling to deal with a. Global pandemic at pretty much the same time. You expect the UK to sit idly and wait for another country to provide us with a good course of action? No, we take the course of action offered that has what is believed by those in charge to be the most optimal. Go and get on with your inquest.... You are not wanted here. | |||
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"Johnson has found to be lacking throughout. He signed up for the glory and prestige and to go down in history as having got Brexit done. He is out of his depth, he didn't sign up to steer the country through a crisis of this magnitude. To be honest even the tory press and tory MPs have raised concerns about him there are just the diehard Johnsonites who seen to think he can do no wrong. Oh and a death count that dwarves other countries suggest others could have done better quite simply because elsewhere others HAVE done better" Okay so, to start with, NO politician signs up knowing they will have to steer the country through a global pandemic, so that's a null point you made there. Seemingly another person who failed to correctly read my posts. "Elsewhere others HAVE done better." Elsewhere being the main word there... Just because another country did better we should've done better too, that's stupid, they're different people, with a different populous, different ideas and different circumstances. Now name another British politician who could've done better, actually, I'll give you the answer, there aren't any... They're all full of shit and don't know fuck all to do with normal life. | |||
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" Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha Ohh I can’t breath Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Ohh wow, Boris the clown presides over the worst circus and deaths in Europe and you want to praise the mother fucker? I will never stop I will lobby for as long as I need to to make sure there is a full public inquest and the absolute weapon does some bird! Oh look, somebody who seemingly doesn't understand basic English. Listen up now sir, I wasn't praising Boris, and you've nothing constructive to say, so why don't you say nothing? Nobody wants to listen to your inane ramblings. And you phrase it as if he has infected everyone himself, then shot the infected, making you sound even more like the halfwit tards I referenced previously." Why would I say anything constructive about someone I think it’s ultimately complicit in genocide? It’s like being asked to not criticise hitler, trump, Assad, Pol pot do I need to go on....? He was fundamental in the decisions made which have influenced how the virus has been able to transmit through the population. For example delaying the decision to lock down earlier, not firing an advisor resulting in less compliance to the already mixed message he said as sending, allowing large scale public gatherings to go ahead (Cheltenham) etc etc. I’m happy to go toe to toe on intellect if you want to put your halfwit tard comment to the test! Just out of interest, I assume by tard you are referring to the out dated, derogatory term retard? I request that you don’t use such derogatory language to describe people you feel are intellectually inferior to oneself | |||
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"Johnson has found to be lacking throughout. He signed up for the glory and prestige and to go down in history as having got Brexit done. He is out of his depth, he didn't sign up to steer the country through a crisis of this magnitude. To be honest even the tory press and tory MPs have raised concerns about him there are just the diehard Johnsonites who seen to think he can do no wrong. Oh and a death count that dwarves other countries suggest others could have done better quite simply because elsewhere others HAVE done better Okay so, to start with, NO politician signs up knowing they will have to steer the country through a global pandemic, so that's a null point you made there. Seemingly another person who failed to correctly read my posts. "Elsewhere others HAVE done better." Elsewhere being the main word there... Just because another country did better we should've done better too, that's stupid, they're different people, with a different populous, different ideas and different circumstances. Now name another British politician who could've done better, actually, I'll give you the answer, there aren't any... They're all full of shit and don't know fuck all to do with normal life. " Not sure how that fits with wanting a constructive discussion and not wanting snide comments   
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"Johnson has found to be lacking throughout. He signed up for the glory and prestige and to go down in history as having got Brexit done. He is out of his depth, he didn't sign up to steer the country through a crisis of this magnitude. To be honest even the tory press and tory MPs have raised concerns about him there are just the diehard Johnsonites who seen to think he can do no wrong. Oh and a death count that dwarves other countries suggest others could have done better quite simply because elsewhere others HAVE done better Okay so, to start with, NO politician signs up knowing they will have to steer the country through a global pandemic, so that's a null point you made there. Seemingly another person who failed to correctly read my posts. "Elsewhere others HAVE done better." Elsewhere being the main word there... Just because another country did better we should've done better too, that's stupid, they're different people, with a different populous, different ideas and different circumstances. Now name another British politician who could've done better, actually, I'll give you the answer, there aren't any... They're all full of shit and don't know fuck all to do with normal life. Not sure how that fits with wanting a constructive discussion and not wanting snide comments
Its almost like you are purposely steering the discussion in a particular direction "It's very difficult to have a conversation when people over posts and don't take in what somebody else has written. I stated in my original post, no other british politician could've done better, you said ofcourse they could because elsewhere others have done better. Glossing over my post, just to shit on Boris some more. All politicians are awful, so people need to just stop hating, not even just Boris, all politicians. Ofcourse we all want the best for the country, but let's face it, there's nothing we as individuals can do.... We just have to hope that those in charge are doing their best, and that's that. Get on with your lives people. | |||
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" Other countries provided reference points, but no, “follow the science” - the science of the politicians’ choice, that is. Another message of inane ramblings. What reference point? When everyone was scrambling to deal with a. Global pandemic at pretty much the same time. You expect the UK to sit idly and wait for another country to provide us with a good course of action? No, we take the course of action offered that has what is believed by those in charge to be the most optimal. Go and get on with your inquest.... You are not wanted here. " I do apologise. In my “inane ramblings” - which I take it you use to describe anything too oblique for you - I should have said examples rather than reference points. | |||
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" Other countries provided reference points, but no, “follow the science” - the science of the politicians’ choice, that is. Another message of inane ramblings. What reference point? When everyone was scrambling to deal with a. Global pandemic at pretty much the same time. You expect the UK to sit idly and wait for another country to provide us with a good course of action? No, we take the course of action offered that has what is believed by those in charge to be the most optimal. Go and get on with your inquest.... You are not wanted here. I do apologise. In my “inane ramblings” - which I take it you use to describe anything too oblique for you - I should have said examples rather than reference points." Even so, reference point, example, no difference is made by the change of that term. You are essentially saying we should've sat quiet, let loads of people die, while we wait for another country to provide us with an example of the 'correct' course of action. I'm sorry, I'd take a politician making the worst imaginable choices, over sitting and doing nothing while we look to other countries for examples on how to deal with the situation. | |||
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"So almost 3 months down the line and you believe we shouldn't compare to other countries. If I can look at other countries, how they handled it and what has worked, why couldn't the government? What should have been realised is what was put in place here did not work and things should have changed, not relaxed! I'd have more respect if they could admit their failings and rectified them but alas the did not and money comes before people. " They have a job, to do what they feel is best for the country and its citizens. But you also need to look at it from the view of the media, because ultimately, the media control everything, they can paint a good situation to look horrific, skew results to show different outcomes and even flat out lie. If they'd taken the back step, admitted fault, and totally changed their game plan, the media would of crucified them.... And unfortunately, people mindlessly listen to what the media presents. Now, I will admit that now... Months later, it is a possibility. But given how dead set against listening to, and following what is said the public seem to be, imo, it probably wouldn't make much difference. | |||
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"So, I keep seeing people hating on Boris Johnson for his reaction and response to the global pandemic that is covid-19.... Can we stop? Let's face it, no other british politician could of done any better, and before you say, "well actually, blah blah blah" A, there is no way to know if others would've done any better. B, he didn't start the pandemic, cut the man some slack, he is doing his best in a poor situation. This is not s thread to start political conversation, it's purely a venting opportunity so I can get all these tards bitching about Boris out of my head. If you have something constructive to add, by all means, be my guest, but if like the majority of the forum, you are going to jab and leave snide remarks, then please, don't." If you don’t like the ‘tards’ bitching about Boris there is a very easy solution. This a man who initially told us to take it on the chin then boasted about shaking hands with COVID patients and them caught the VIRUS. I could list the rest of his and the governments mistakes over the last 3 months but I fear you either don’t care or don’t understand. | |||
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" Other countries provided reference points, but no, “follow the science” - the science of the politicians’ choice, that is. Another message of inane ramblings. What reference point? When everyone was scrambling to deal with a. Global pandemic at pretty much the same time. You expect the UK to sit idly and wait for another country to provide us with a good course of action? No, we take the course of action offered that has what is believed by those in charge to be the most optimal. Go and get on with your inquest.... You are not wanted here. I do apologise. In my “inane ramblings” - which I take it you use to describe anything too oblique for you - I should have said examples rather than reference points. Even so, reference point, example, no difference is made by the change of that term. You are essentially saying we should've sat quiet, let loads of people die, while we wait for another country to provide us with an example of the 'correct' course of action. I'm sorry, I'd take a politician making the worst imaginable choices, over sitting and doing nothing while we look to other countries for examples on how to deal with the situation." I’m saying exactly the opposite; the examples, points of reference, whatever, were there. Our bunch of incompetents did nothing in the light of what they knew - until too late. | |||
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"I would love to have seen the fuck yard that was the labour leader taking this job on then we would be sunk The guy could not run a bath nevermind a country he can’t find his area with both hands arise sir Boris I say "He's not but boris is.. And its been a mess on many levels.. The buck will stop at his door not the last leader of the opposition in December last year.. | |||
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"I would love to have seen the fuck yard that was the labour leader taking this job on then we would be sunk The guy could not run a bath nevermind a country he can’t find his area with both hands arise sir Boris I say "If being responsible for the highest death toll in Europe isnt worthy of a knighthood I dont know what is? | |||
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"I would love to have seen the fuck yard that was the labour leader taking this job on then we would be sunk The guy could not run a bath nevermind a country he can’t find his area with both hands arise sir Boris I say "'I was Boris Johnson’s boss: he is utterly unfit to be prime minister' - Max Hastings I'll just leave that there... | |||
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"I would love to have seen the fuck yard that was the labour leader taking this job on then we would be sunk The guy could not run a bath nevermind a country he can’t find his area with both hands arise sir Boris I say "
I have seen some real tory supporters who have expressed their disregard to the way the situation has been handled. I'm still yet to see how anyone can respect let alone praise Boris for the way he has handled this situation-it is like those that do are blind! | |||
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"Out of interest can people name the person (British MP eligible to be PM) who they think would have been a better PM and why. Try to steer clear of hindsight " I can't stand Hunt, but even he couldn't of fucked this up so monumentally | |||
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"I would love to have seen the fuck yard that was the labour leader taking this job on then we would be sunk The guy could not run a bath nevermind a country he can’t find his area with both hands arise sir Boris I say
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"Out of interest can people name the person (British MP eligible to be PM) who they think would have been a better PM and why. Try to steer clear of hindsight " Well we know Farage would have enforced boarder closure! I think any other would have handled this situation better, we can see from Boris's previous voting history that he has no interest in the people and only him and his needs! If any other PM would have handled this the way Boris had, I would be saying exactly the same because in all fairness it is complete and utter shambles! | |||
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"Out of interest can people name the person (British MP eligible to be PM) who they think would have been a better PM and why. Try to steer clear of hindsight I can't stand Hunt, but even he couldn't of fucked this up so monumentally " How exactly? | |||
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"Out of interest can people name the person (British MP eligible to be PM) who they think would have been a better PM and why. Try to steer clear of hindsight " We hold the government we have in power to account. It has nothing to do with who might have been in power. We hold the PM and his chosen cabinet to account. The whole “who could have done better” doesn’t fly. The buck stops with the person in charge. He wanted to be PM therefor he will be held to account and judge vs the rest on the developed world. | |||
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"Out of interest can people name the person (British MP eligible to be PM) who they think would have been a better PM and why. Try to steer clear of hindsight Well we know Farage would have enforced boarder closure! I think any other would have handled this situation better, we can see from Boris's previous voting history that he has no interest in the people and only him and his needs! If any other PM would have handled this the way Boris had, I would be saying exactly the same because in all fairness it is complete and utter shambles! " I don't think farage is an MP therefore not eligible Please say details of your choice and why. Just saying they would have done better is pointless | |||
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"Out of interest can people name the person (British MP eligible to be PM) who they think would have been a better PM and why. Try to steer clear of hindsight Well we know Farage would have enforced boarder closure! I think any other would have handled this situation better, we can see from Boris's previous voting history that he has no interest in the people and only him and his needs! If any other PM would have handled this the way Boris had, I would be saying exactly the same because in all fairness it is complete and utter shambles! I don't think farage is an MP therefore not eligible Please say details of your choice and why. Just saying they would have done better is pointless" What is pointless is trying to defend Boris by saying that all the alternatives might have been as bad . Are you suggesting that Boris is just the best out of a really really shit bunch? | |||
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"Out of interest can people name the person (British MP eligible to be PM) who they think would have been a better PM and why. Try to steer clear of hindsight Well we know Farage would have enforced boarder closure! I think any other would have handled this situation better, we can see from Boris's previous voting history that he has no interest in the people and only him and his needs! If any other PM would have handled this the way Boris had, I would be saying exactly the same because in all fairness it is complete and utter shambles! I don't think farage is an MP therefore not eligible Please say details of your choice and why. Just saying they would have done better is pointless" He was an MP when the PM became PM. I can't stand the guy and wouldn't want him as PM- my comment was tongue in cheek. I didn't just state they would have been better. I said I'd hope they would as based on previous voting history you can see who is for the people and who is for themselves. Unfortunately, we will never know who could have done better and like it has been stated we/I will/should hold the current PM to account. | |||
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"Op, if you want sycophantic fawning for Boris perhaps spend more time on whatever websites the tory die hards use..? We still are an open democracy where people can raise their opinions about the powers that be without some person using banal terms as you have done so.. " Firstly, I don't know where you people get the idea that I'm fawning for Boris... Again, another person who has failed to understand what I have written. I said, can we stop the needless bashing of him, it's not doing any good, and it's just flat annoying as fuck. As for the other message, I wasn't calling anyone a tard for critisizing Boris, they got that word for doing, as you have, and glossing over my posts and not understanding what I'm actually saying. I do not like any politicians, they are all full of shit (something I have said previously that you quite obviously glossed over, else you'd know I'm not fawning for Boris), we need to just stop the needless bashing. And hold up, you lot are allowed to call him a clown and scum... Liken him to Hitler and pol pot.... But I'm not allowed to offhand use the word tard in reference to somebody who has clearly not understood, glossed over or ignored what I have written? Yeah, sounds fair.... | |||
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"Out of interest can people name the person (British MP eligible to be PM) who they think would have been a better PM and why. Try to steer clear of hindsight " Sorry mate its a bit of a daft question, it's who we have now and how he's handling it and I use that term loosely.. Not saying everything that has happened has been wrong or inept, the financial side from the treasury was despite not being perfect pretty much well done but there have been some nigh on negligent decisions made.. | |||
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"Out of interest can people name the person (British MP eligible to be PM) who they think would have been a better PM and why. Try to steer clear of hindsight Well we know Farage would have enforced boarder closure! I think any other would have handled this situation better, we can see from Boris's previous voting history that he has no interest in the people and only him and his needs! If any other PM would have handled this the way Boris had, I would be saying exactly the same because in all fairness it is complete and utter shambles! I don't think farage is an MP therefore not eligible Please say details of your choice and why. Just saying they would have done better is pointless What is pointless is trying to defend Boris by saying that all the alternatives might have been as bad . Are you suggesting that Boris is just the best out of a really really shit bunch? " I'd noticed this habit too. Instead of defending Johnsin with references to where he's excelled in this crisis his supporters seem to think arguing everyone else would have also done the worst job in Europe is somehow vindication for Johnson's performance. So instead of "who could have done better" maybe someone could answer the question, what has Johnson done well? | |||
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"Out of interest can people name the person (British MP eligible to be PM) who they think would have been a better PM and why. Try to steer clear of hindsight Well we know Farage would have enforced boarder closure! I think any other would have handled this situation better, we can see from Boris's previous voting history that he has no interest in the people and only him and his needs! If any other PM would have handled this the way Boris had, I would be saying exactly the same because in all fairness it is complete and utter shambles! I don't think farage is an MP therefore not eligible Please say details of your choice and why. Just saying they would have done better is pointless He was an MP when the PM became PM. I can't stand the guy and wouldn't want him as PM- my comment was tongue in cheek. I didn't just state they would have been better. I said I'd hope they would as based on previous voting history you can see who is for the people and who is for themselves. Unfortunately, we will never know who could have done better and like it has been stated we/I will/should hold the current PM to account. " Farage has never been an MP. He's lost every parliamentary election he's stood in. | |||
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"Op, if you want sycophantic fawning for Boris perhaps spend more time on whatever websites the tory die hards use..? We still are an open democracy where people can raise their opinions about the powers that be without some person using banal terms as you have done so.. Firstly, I don't know where you people get the idea that I'm fawning for Boris... Again, another person who has failed to understand what I have written. I said, can we stop the needless bashing of him, it's not doing any good, and it's just flat annoying as fuck. As for the other message, I wasn't calling anyone a tard for critisizing Boris, they got that word for doing, as you have, and glossing over my posts and not understanding what I'm actually saying. I do not like any politicians, they are all full of shit (something I have said previously that you quite obviously glossed over, else you'd know I'm not fawning for Boris), we need to just stop the needless bashing. And hold up, you lot are allowed to call him a clown and scum... Liken him to Hitler and pol pot.... But I'm not allowed to offhand use the word tard in reference to somebody who has clearly not understood, glossed over or ignored what I have written? Yeah, sounds fair...." To take everyone as 'tards' when some of the names attributed to him have not been used by many, certainly not I is the level you set.. I share some of the sentiments you have with many of the political class but I still will when I think fit criticise, I did so with blair during his disastrous foreign policy fuck ups.. As has been said if you don't like the threads you refer to then pass them by, lowering yourself using similar language to people who use similar is pointless.. | |||
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"Out of interest can people name the person (British MP eligible to be PM) who they think would have been a better PM and why. Try to steer clear of hindsight Sorry mate its a bit of a daft question, it's who we have now and how he's handling it and I use that term loosely.. Not saying everything that has happened has been wrong or inept, the financial side from the treasury was despite not being perfect pretty much well done but there have been some nigh on negligent decisions made.. " I was just interested in suggestions. So many say he is rubbish and I am also not happy but we have to have a PM so who would you have instead? If you have no suggestion that's perfectly ok | |||
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"Out of interest can people name the person (British MP eligible to be PM) who they think would have been a better PM and why. Try to steer clear of hindsight Well we know Farage would have enforced boarder closure! I think any other would have handled this situation better, we can see from Boris's previous voting history that he has no interest in the people and only him and his needs! If any other PM would have handled this the way Boris had, I would be saying exactly the same because in all fairness it is complete and utter shambles! I don't think farage is an MP therefore not eligible Please say details of your choice and why. Just saying they would have done better is pointless He was an MP when the PM became PM. I can't stand the guy and wouldn't want him as PM- my comment was tongue in cheek. I didn't just state they would have been better. I said I'd hope they would as based on previous voting history you can see who is for the people and who is for themselves. Unfortunately, we will never know who could have done better and like it has been stated we/I will/should hold the current PM to account. Farage has never been an MP. He's lost every parliamentary election he's stood in." I do apologise. He ran as leader of The Brexit Party in the run to become PM. | |||
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"Out of interest can people name the person (British MP eligible to be PM) who they think would have been a better PM and why. Try to steer clear of hindsight Sorry mate its a bit of a daft question, it's who we have now and how he's handling it and I use that term loosely.. Not saying everything that has happened has been wrong or inept, the financial side from the treasury was despite not being perfect pretty much well done but there have been some nigh on negligent decisions made.. I was just interested in suggestions. So many say he is rubbish and I am also not happy but we have to have a PM so who would you have instead? If you have no suggestion that's perfectly ok" Honestly it's a bit like asking who would have been a better or different captain than the guy on the titanic or in charge of England winning the 03 World Cup.. | |||
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"Out of interest can people name the person (British MP eligible to be PM) who they think would have been a better PM and why. Try to steer clear of hindsight Sorry mate its a bit of a daft question, it's who we have now and how he's handling it and I use that term loosely.. Not saying everything that has happened has been wrong or inept, the financial side from the treasury was despite not being perfect pretty much well done but there have been some nigh on negligent decisions made.. I was just interested in suggestions. So many say he is rubbish and I am also not happy but we have to have a PM so who would you have instead? If you have no suggestion that's perfectly ok Honestly it's a bit like asking who would have been a better or different captain than the guy on the titanic or in charge of England winning the 03 World Cup.. " I will take that as a no suggestion then. | |||
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"Out of interest can people name the person (British MP eligible to be PM) who they think would have been a better PM and why. Try to steer clear of hindsight Sorry mate its a bit of a daft question, it's who we have now and how he's handling it and I use that term loosely.. Not saying everything that has happened has been wrong or inept, the financial side from the treasury was despite not being perfect pretty much well done but there have been some nigh on negligent decisions made.. I was just interested in suggestions. So many say he is rubbish and I am also not happy but we have to have a PM so who would you have instead? If you have no suggestion that's perfectly ok Honestly it's a bit like asking who would have been a better or different captain than the guy on the titanic or in charge of England winning the 03 World Cup.. I will take that as a no suggestion then. " I said Hunt. Rory Stewart would have been great | |||
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"Out of interest can people name the person (British MP eligible to be PM) who they think would have been a better PM and why. Try to steer clear of hindsight Sorry mate its a bit of a daft question, it's who we have now and how he's handling it and I use that term loosely.. Not saying everything that has happened has been wrong or inept, the financial side from the treasury was despite not being perfect pretty much well done but there have been some nigh on negligent decisions made.. I was just interested in suggestions. So many say he is rubbish and I am also not happy but we have to have a PM so who would you have instead? If you have no suggestion that's perfectly ok Honestly it's a bit like asking who would have been a better or different captain than the guy on the titanic or in charge of England winning the 03 World Cup.. I will take that as a no suggestion then. " What are the parameters? Are all current MPs eligible? Just Tories? Etc etc | |||
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"Out of interest can people name the person (British MP eligible to be PM) who they think would have been a better PM and why. Try to steer clear of hindsight Sorry mate its a bit of a daft question, it's who we have now and how he's handling it and I use that term loosely.. Not saying everything that has happened has been wrong or inept, the financial side from the treasury was despite not being perfect pretty much well done but there have been some nigh on negligent decisions made.. I was just interested in suggestions. So many say he is rubbish and I am also not happy but we have to have a PM so who would you have instead? If you have no suggestion that's perfectly ok Honestly it's a bit like asking who would have been a better or different captain than the guy on the titanic or in charge of England winning the 03 World Cup.. I will take that as a no suggestion then. " Well if you look up the page I suggested Hunt as a valid alternative and explained why but you've ignored that suggestion. | |||
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"Out of interest can people name the person (British MP eligible to be PM) who they think would have been a better PM and why. Try to steer clear of hindsight Sorry mate its a bit of a daft question, it's who we have now and how he's handling it and I use that term loosely.. Not saying everything that has happened has been wrong or inept, the financial side from the treasury was despite not being perfect pretty much well done but there have been some nigh on negligent decisions made.. I was just interested in suggestions. So many say he is rubbish and I am also not happy but we have to have a PM so who would you have instead? If you have no suggestion that's perfectly ok Honestly it's a bit like asking who would have been a better or different captain than the guy on the titanic or in charge of England winning the 03 World Cup.. I will take that as a no suggestion then. I said Hunt. Rory Stewart would have been great" I agree with Stewart, Theresa May would have done a better job as would Starmer | |||
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" I said Hunt. Rory Stewart would have been great" I forgot about Stewart. Another credible alternative. We wouldn't have got our blue passports though (Made in France). | |||
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"Ok let's try and to be objective if this is about bj..can someone list his attributes?" Good at wiff waff | |||
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"Ok let's try and to be objective if this is about bj..can someone list his attributes?" Already asked that. Ignored in the sea of "what ifs" | |||
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"Ok let's try and to be objective if this is about bj..can someone list his attributes? Already asked that. Ignored in the sea of "what ifs"" I'm going to be as objective as possible..I'm genuinely struggling Got Brexit through..cummings os widely thought to be the 'mastermind'of that particular debacle. | |||
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"I would love to have seen the fuck yard that was the labour leader taking this job on then we would be sunk The guy could not run a bath nevermind a country he can’t find his area with both hands arise sir Boris I say
He's not but boris is..
And its been a mess on many levels..
The buck will stop at his door not the last leader of the opposition in December last year.. "He will still get my vote and many more Even tho iv not had a brass cent from the government thro all of this pandemic As I do not qualify as my company’s are oversea’s I came back home in November For what he did for almost every last one of the people with the furlough scheme he stood there and saved a lot of asses some are even moaning about that. Ffs just listen to some of you some need to stop Yr arse eating the couch And stand on Yr own 2 feet just my option of course pewffff | |||
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"Ok let's try and to be objective if this is about bj..can someone list his attributes? Already asked that. Ignored in the sea of "what ifs" I'm going to be as objective as possible..I'm genuinely struggling Got Brexit through..cummings os widely thought to be the 'mastermind'of that particular debacle." But he hasn't yet... you know apparently a cooling off period or whatever it was was needed. You know, like a child starting school, weaned into it gently. So that was meant to be by December 31st 2020, what's the chance in that now being postponed? | |||
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"I would love to have seen the fuck yard that was the labour leader taking this job on then we would be sunk The guy could not run a bath nevermind a country he can’t find his area with both hands arise sir Boris I say
He's not but boris is..
And its been a mess on many levels..
The buck will stop at his door not the last leader of the opposition in December last year..
He will still get my vote and many more
Even tho iv not had a brass cent from the government thro all of this pandemic
As I do not qualify as my company’s are oversea’s I came back home in November
For what he did for almost every last one of the people with the furlough scheme he stood there and saved a lot of asses some are even moaning about that.
Ffs just listen to some of you some need to stop Yr arse eating the couch
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"we have to have a PM so who would you have instead? " The problem right now is that Johnson and Cummings have filled the Tory cabinet with people whose main qualification is that they're loyal, so there's not a lot of talent there. But current Tory MPs who I think would do a better job than Johnson: Sajid Javid Teresa May Penny Mordant Jeremy Hunt (just about) And if we're allowed Labour/Greens or former MPs Rory Stewart Keir Starmer Sadiq Khan Dan Jarvis Caroline Lucas Yvette Cooper Ed Milband David Gauke Philip Hammond Hilary Benn Ruth Davidson Dominic Grieve | |||
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"we have to have a PM so who would you have instead? The problem right now is that Johnson and Cummings have filled the Tory cabinet with people whose main qualification is that they're loyal, so there's not a lot of talent there. But current Tory MPs who I think would do a better job than Johnson: Sajid Javid Teresa May Penny Mordant Jeremy Hunt (just about) And if we're allowed Labour/Greens or former MPs Rory Stewart Keir Starmer Sadiq Khan Dan Jarvis Caroline Lucas Yvette Cooper Ed Milband David Gauke Philip Hammond Hilary Benn Ruth Davidson Dominic Grieve " Thought ed milliband was 1 of the weakest leaders labour have ever had. | |||
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" To take everyone as 'tards' when some of the names attributed to him have not been used by many, certainly not I is the level you set.. I share some of the sentiments you have with many of the political class but I still will when I think fit criticise, I did so with blair during his disastrous foreign policy fuck ups.. As has been said if you don't like the threads you refer to then pass them by, lowering yourself using similar language to people who use similar is pointless.. " But again, I didn't take everyone as a tard... The average member of the general public, yes, one or 2 people further up the thread who were going out of their way to bash and hate in a thread I made to try and stop exactly that, yes. But flat saying you can't say this, when other people in this very thread have said what I deem, much much worse (likening the PM to Hitler is fucking disgusting) is not 'fair' so to speak. And as for passing up the threads... Not once did I ever mention political hate threads, I even posted this in the virus subforum, as it was originally, centred around the hate Boris is getting due to the virus... Moderators weirdly enough, moved it to the politics subforum, a subforum which I've never even opened. My original point was people posting statuses hating on Boris, which I admit, wasn't clear, but I didn't feel it necessary to make that distinction when I have never been to the politics subforum, and genuinely didn't know there even was one. When you see 5-6 statuses, pretty much in a row, all just hating on the PM, for no good reason, is very annoying and off-putting. Ofcourse I block them, but it's becoming increasingly more common. | |||
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"Ok let's try and to be objective if this is about bj..can someone list his attributes? Already asked that. Ignored in the sea of "what ifs" I'm going to be as objective as possible..I'm genuinely struggling Got Brexit through..cummings os widely thought to be the 'mastermind'of that particular debacle. But he hasn't yet... you know apparently a cooling off period or whatever it was was needed. You know, like a child starting school, weaned into it gently. So that was meant to be by December 31st 2020, what's the chance in that now being postponed? " Plus we dont know what a shitstorm Brexit will turn out to be. | |||
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" To take everyone as 'tards' when some of the names attributed to him have not been used by many, certainly not I is the level you set.. I share some of the sentiments you have with many of the political class but I still will when I think fit criticise, I did so with blair during his disastrous foreign policy fuck ups.. As has been said if you don't like the threads you refer to then pass them by, lowering yourself using similar language to people who use similar is pointless.. But again, I didn't take everyone as a tard... The average member of the general public, yes, one or 2 people further up the thread who were going out of their way to bash and hate in a thread I made to try and stop exactly that, yes. But flat saying you can't say this, when other people in this very thread have said what I deem, much much worse (likening the PM to Hitler is fucking disgusting) is not 'fair' so to speak. And as for passing up the threads... Not once did I ever mention political hate threads, I even posted this in the virus subforum, as it was originally, centred around the hate Boris is getting due to the virus... Moderators weirdly enough, moved it to the politics subforum, a subforum which I've never even opened. My original point was people posting statuses hating on Boris, which I admit, wasn't clear, but I didn't feel it necessary to make that distinction when I have never been to the politics subforum, and genuinely didn't know there even was one. When you see 5-6 statuses, pretty much in a row, all just hating on the PM, for no good reason, is very annoying and off-putting. Ofcourse I block them, but it's becoming increasingly more common." Do you think Boris is doing a good job dealing with the pandemic? I think the financial side has been good but the rest has been awful. | |||
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"we have to have a PM so who would you have instead? The problem right now is that Johnson and Cummings have filled the Tory cabinet with people whose main qualification is that they're loyal, so there's not a lot of talent there. But current Tory MPs who I think would do a better job than Johnson: Sajid Javid Teresa May Penny Mordant Jeremy Hunt (just about) And if we're allowed Labour/Greens or former MPs Rory Stewart Keir Starmer Sadiq Khan Dan Jarvis Caroline Lucas Yvette Cooper Ed Milband David Gauke Philip Hammond Hilary Benn Ruth Davidson Dominic Grieve " Theresa May? What? You mean the woman now known for saying "Brexit means Brexit" Yeah, she was obviously a great leader, spouting nonsensical BS that she obviously didn't even understand. I mean, did you see her on TV at all? She even looked like she was clueless, probably didn't even know where she was or how she got the job. Ask her what Covid-19 is.... She's so out of touch with the world she probably thinks it's a new video game or something.... | |||
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" Thought ed milliband was 1 of the weakest leaders labour have ever had." He wasn't great but it's not a "who's great" list, it's a "who'd be better than Johnson" list. | |||
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"Out of interest can people name the person (British MP eligible to be PM) who they think would have been a better PM and why. Try to steer clear of hindsight Sorry mate its a bit of a daft question, it's who we have now and how he's handling it and I use that term loosely.. Not saying everything that has happened has been wrong or inept, the financial side from the treasury was despite not being perfect pretty much well done but there have been some nigh on negligent decisions made.. I was just interested in suggestions. So many say he is rubbish and I am also not happy but we have to have a PM so who would you have instead? If you have no suggestion that's perfectly ok Honestly it's a bit like asking who would have been a better or different captain than the guy on the titanic or in charge of England winning the 03 World Cup.. I will take that as a no suggestion then. Well if you look up the page I suggested Hunt as a valid alternative and explained why but you've ignored that suggestion." That was not in response to your suggestion. Sorry was not ignoring you just lack of time today. Hunt is a credible choice. I think he may of done a similar job but been more open about mistakes made as opposed to bragging it | |||
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" Theresa May? What? You mean the woman now known for saying "Brexit means Brexit" Yeah, she was obviously a great leader, spouting nonsensical BS that she obviously didn't even understand. I mean, did you see her on TV at all? She even looked like she was clueless, probably didn't even know where she was or how she got the job. Ask her what Covid-19 is.... She's so out of touch with the world she probably thinks it's a new video game or something...." Yeah, she was terrible, and she'd still be better than Johnson. Shame, isn't it? | |||
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"we have to have a PM so who would you have instead? The problem right now is that Johnson and Cummings have filled the Tory cabinet with people whose main qualification is that they're loyal, so there's not a lot of talent there. But current Tory MPs who I think would do a better job than Johnson: Sajid Javid Teresa May Penny Mordant Jeremy Hunt (just about) And if we're allowed Labour/Greens or former MPs Rory Stewart Keir Starmer Sadiq Khan Dan Jarvis Caroline Lucas Yvette Cooper Ed Milband David Gauke Philip Hammond Hilary Benn Ruth Davidson Dominic Grieve Theresa May? What? You mean the woman now known for saying "Brexit means Brexit" Yeah, she was obviously a great leader, spouting nonsensical BS that she obviously didn't even understand. I mean, did you see her on TV at all? She even looked like she was clueless, probably didn't even know where she was or how she got the job. Ask her what Covid-19 is.... She's so out of touch with the world she probably thinks it's a new video game or something...." So what are his strengths then? | |||
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" Theresa May? What? You mean the woman now known for saying "Brexit means Brexit" Yeah, she was obviously a great leader, spouting nonsensical BS that she obviously didn't even understand. I mean, did you see her on TV at all? She even looked like she was clueless, probably didn't even know where she was or how she got the job. Ask her what Covid-19 is.... She's so out of touch with the world she probably thinks it's a new video game or something.... Yeah, she was terrible, and she'd still be better than Johnson. Shame, isn't it? " Exactly, she would have defiantly handled the current situation better then Boris | |||
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"Out of interest can people name the person (British MP eligible to be PM) who they think would have been a better PM and why. Try to steer clear of hindsight Sorry mate its a bit of a daft question, it's who we have now and how he's handling it and I use that term loosely.. Not saying everything that has happened has been wrong or inept, the financial side from the treasury was despite not being perfect pretty much well done but there have been some nigh on negligent decisions made.. I was just interested in suggestions. So many say he is rubbish and I am also not happy but we have to have a PM so who would you have instead? If you have no suggestion that's perfectly ok Honestly it's a bit like asking who would have been a better or different captain than the guy on the titanic or in charge of England winning the 03 World Cup.. I will take that as a no suggestion then. What are the parameters? Are all current MPs eligible? Just Tories? Etc etc " All current MP's I think should be considered | |||
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" Do you think Boris is doing a good job dealing with the pandemic? I think the financial side has been good but the rest has been awful. " Honestly? No, but as I said in my original post, there's no point to saying "he/she would've done better!" Because we have to face the fact that, nobody knows that... Not even the politicians themselves know if they would've done better. We have Boris, end of, yes, be critical of him, and blame him for as much as he deserves blame for. But posting a status on a swinging website just blasting hate at the man for, as I said, doing what he feels is best in a fucked up worldwide situation, isnt going to help anyone, just piss people off and annoy. | |||
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"Out of interest can people name the person (British MP eligible to be PM) who they think would have been a better PM and why. Try to steer clear of hindsight Sorry mate its a bit of a daft question, it's who we have now and how he's handling it and I use that term loosely.. Not saying everything that has happened has been wrong or inept, the financial side from the treasury was despite not being perfect pretty much well done but there have been some nigh on negligent decisions made.. I was just interested in suggestions. So many say he is rubbish and I am also not happy but we have to have a PM so who would you have instead? If you have no suggestion that's perfectly ok Honestly it's a bit like asking who would have been a better or different captain than the guy on the titanic or in charge of England winning the 03 World Cup.. I will take that as a no suggestion then. What are the parameters? Are all current MPs eligible? Just Tories? Etc etc All current MP's I think should be considered" Starmer May Javid Stewart Hunt Just of the top of my head | |||
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"we have to have a PM so who would you have instead? The problem right now is that Johnson and Cummings have filled the Tory cabinet with people whose main qualification is that they're loyal, so there's not a lot of talent there. But current Tory MPs who I think would do a better job than Johnson: Sajid Javid Teresa May Penny Mordant Jeremy Hunt (just about) And if we're allowed Labour/Greens or former MPs Rory Stewart Keir Starmer Sadiq Khan Dan Jarvis Caroline Lucas Yvette Cooper Ed Milband David Gauke Philip Hammond Hilary Benn Ruth Davidson Dominic Grieve Theresa May? What? You mean the woman now known for saying "Brexit means Brexit" Yeah, she was obviously a great leader, spouting nonsensical BS that she obviously didn't even understand. I mean, did you see her on TV at all? She even looked like she was clueless, probably didn't even know where she was or how she got the job. Ask her what Covid-19 is.... She's so out of touch with the world she probably thinks it's a new video game or something.... So what are his strengths then?" Who's strengths? I didn't mention anyone else. | |||
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"we have to have a PM so who would you have instead? The problem right now is that Johnson and Cummings have filled the Tory cabinet with people whose main qualification is that they're loyal, so there's not a lot of talent there. But current Tory MPs who I think would do a better job than Johnson: Sajid Javid Teresa May Penny Mordant Jeremy Hunt (just about) And if we're allowed Labour/Greens or former MPs Rory Stewart Keir Starmer Sadiq Khan Dan Jarvis Caroline Lucas Yvette Cooper Ed Milband David Gauke Philip Hammond Hilary Benn Ruth Davidson Dominic Grieve Theresa May? What? You mean the woman now known for saying "Brexit means Brexit" Yeah, she was obviously a great leader, spouting nonsensical BS that she obviously didn't even understand. I mean, did you see her on TV at all? She even looked like she was clueless, probably didn't even know where she was or how she got the job. Ask her what Covid-19 is.... She's so out of touch with the world she probably thinks it's a new video game or something.... So what are his strengths then? Who's strengths? I didn't mention anyone else." Boris's | |||
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" Do you think Boris is doing a good job dealing with the pandemic? I think the financial side has been good but the rest has been awful. Honestly? No, but as I said in my original post, there's no point to saying "he/she would've done better!" Because we have to face the fact that, nobody knows that... Not even the politicians themselves know if they would've done better. We have Boris, end of, yes, be critical of him, and blame him for as much as he deserves blame for. But posting a status on a swinging website just blasting hate at the man for, as I said, doing what he feels is best in a fucked up worldwide situation, isnt going to help anyone, just piss people off and annoy." What type of ‘hate’ have you read? If it’s criticism of the way he is doing the job then it is fair game but you have to remember that this is a man that has made numerous racist and homophobic comments . He isn’t a very nice person | |||
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"Out of interest can people name the person (British MP eligible to be PM) who they think would have been a better PM and why. Try to steer clear of hindsight Sorry mate its a bit of a daft question, it's who we have now and how he's handling it and I use that term loosely.. Not saying everything that has happened has been wrong or inept, the financial side from the treasury was despite not being perfect pretty much well done but there have been some nigh on negligent decisions made.. I was just interested in suggestions. So many say he is rubbish and I am also not happy but we have to have a PM so who would you have instead? If you have no suggestion that's perfectly ok Honestly it's a bit like asking who would have been a better or different captain than the guy on the titanic or in charge of England winning the 03 World Cup.. I will take that as a no suggestion then. What are the parameters? Are all current MPs eligible? Just Tories? Etc etc All current MP's I think should be considered Starmer May Javid Stewart Hunt Just of the top of my head " Great seems some names coming up regularly Why would they be better faced with the same situation | |||
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"This 'leave Boris alone, he's doing his best' stuff is so pitiable. Just pathetic. He's the prime minister. He's not a five year old doing their first school play. " This is the sort of shit we don't need... Pitiable, pathetic? Why don't you keep your words to yourself if you've nothing constructive to say. | |||
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"This 'leave Boris alone, he's doing his best' stuff is so pitiable. Just pathetic. He's the prime minister. He's not a five year old doing their first school play. " To quote Keir Starmer ‘the prime minister is confusing scrutiny for attack ‘ | |||
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"Out of interest can people name the person (British MP eligible to be PM) who they think would have been a better PM and why. Try to steer clear of hindsight Sorry mate its a bit of a daft question, it's who we have now and how he's handling it and I use that term loosely.. Not saying everything that has happened has been wrong or inept, the financial side from the treasury was despite not being perfect pretty much well done but there have been some nigh on negligent decisions made.. I was just interested in suggestions. So many say he is rubbish and I am also not happy but we have to have a PM so who would you have instead? If you have no suggestion that's perfectly ok Honestly it's a bit like asking who would have been a better or different captain than the guy on the titanic or in charge of England winning the 03 World Cup.. I will take that as a no suggestion then. What are the parameters? Are all current MPs eligible? Just Tories? Etc etc All current MP's I think should be considered Starmer May Javid Stewart Hunt Just of the top of my head Great seems some names coming up regularly Why would they be better faced with the same situation" Leadership ability, common sense, integrity , | |||
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"This 'leave Boris alone, he's doing his best' stuff is so pitiable. Just pathetic. He's the prime minister. He's not a five year old doing their first school play. This is the sort of shit we don't need... Pitiable, pathetic? Why don't you keep your words to yourself if you've nothing constructive to say." Do you mean like the word ‘tard’ | |||
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" Do you think Boris is doing a good job dealing with the pandemic? I think the financial side has been good but the rest has been awful. Honestly? No, but as I said in my original post, there's no point to saying "he/she would've done better!" Because we have to face the fact that, nobody knows that... Not even the politicians themselves know if they would've done better. We have Boris, end of, yes, be critical of him, and blame him for as much as he deserves blame for. But posting a status on a swinging website just blasting hate at the man for, as I said, doing what he feels is best in a fucked up worldwide situation, isnt going to help anyone, just piss people off and annoy. What type of ‘hate’ have you read? If it’s criticism of the way he is doing the job then it is fair game but you have to remember that this is a man that has made numerous racist and homophobic comments . He isn’t a very nice person " I've read him being called all sorts of nasty names without reason, he has even been likened to Hitler earlier in this thread. Most of what I am reading, are 1-2 short sentences, with no political association, referring to lockdown, amount of deaths, and ending in calling him various names. Most people have said some homophobic or racist things in their life, even me, now I'm in no way defending that, but I'm also not using it as an excuse to ramble hate on somebody. | |||
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"Out of interest can people name the person (British MP eligible to be PM) who they think would have been a better PM and why. Try to steer clear of hindsight Sorry mate its a bit of a daft question, it's who we have now and how he's handling it and I use that term loosely.. Not saying everything that has happened has been wrong or inept, the financial side from the treasury was despite not being perfect pretty much well done but there have been some nigh on negligent decisions made.. I was just interested in suggestions. So many say he is rubbish and I am also not happy but we have to have a PM so who would you have instead? If you have no suggestion that's perfectly ok Honestly it's a bit like asking who would have been a better or different captain than the guy on the titanic or in charge of England winning the 03 World Cup.. I will take that as a no suggestion then. What are the parameters? Are all current MPs eligible? Just Tories? Etc etc All current MP's I think should be considered Starmer May Javid Stewart Hunt Just of the top of my head Great seems some names coming up regularly Why would they be better faced with the same situation Leadership ability, common sense, integrity , " Out of those listed only may has any leadership of a country experience and think proved not so able. The rest have not been subjected to such a challenge. I like to think starmer would shine but depends on the team around him | |||
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"This 'leave Boris alone, he's doing his best' stuff is so pitiable. Just pathetic. He's the prime minister. He's not a five year old doing their first school play. This is the sort of shit we don't need... Pitiable, pathetic? Why don't you keep your words to yourself if you've nothing constructive to say. Do you mean like the word ‘tard’" Not at all... I used that word in reference to stupid people, saying stupid things, and not actually basing what they've said on anything, just stupidity. I didn't just post a reply calling somebody a tard then leave it at that... I used the word in conjunction with an argument point I was trying to get across. This person just up and calls me pitiable, pathetic and that's just that.... Imo, 2 different situations in which people are being called names, except I gave reference as to why... | |||
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" Do you think Boris is doing a good job dealing with the pandemic? I think the financial side has been good but the rest has been awful. Honestly? No, but as I said in my original post, there's no point to saying "he/she would've done better!" Because we have to face the fact that, nobody knows that... Not even the politicians themselves know if they would've done better. We have Boris, end of, yes, be critical of him, and blame him for as much as he deserves blame for. But posting a status on a swinging website just blasting hate at the man for, as I said, doing what he feels is best in a fucked up worldwide situation, isnt going to help anyone, just piss people off and annoy. What type of ‘hate’ have you read? If it’s criticism of the way he is doing the job then it is fair game but you have to remember that this is a man that has made numerous racist and homophobic comments . He isn’t a very nice person I've read him being called all sorts of nasty names without reason, he has even been likened to Hitler earlier in this thread. Most of what I am reading, are 1-2 short sentences, with no political association, referring to lockdown, amount of deaths, and ending in calling him various names. Most people have said some homophobic or racist things in their life, even me, now I'm in no way defending that, but I'm also not using it as an excuse to ramble hate on somebody." Would it be fair to call him racist and homophobic then? People are getting upset about the way he is dealing with the crisis, if can’t deal with the name calling and hate then maybe he isn’t fit for the job. If you feel the hate is over the top on here then report the profiles and block them, | |||
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" Do you think Boris is doing a good job dealing with the pandemic? I think the financial side has been good but the rest has been awful. Honestly? No, but as I said in my original post, there's no point to saying "he/she would've done better!" Because we have to face the fact that, nobody knows that... Not even the politicians themselves know if they would've done better. We have Boris, end of, yes, be critical of him, and blame him for as much as he deserves blame for. But posting a status on a swinging website just blasting hate at the man for, as I said, doing what he feels is best in a fucked up worldwide situation, isnt going to help anyone, just piss people off and annoy. What type of ‘hate’ have you read? If it’s criticism of the way he is doing the job then it is fair game but you have to remember that this is a man that has made numerous racist and homophobic comments . He isn’t a very nice person I've read him being called all sorts of nasty names without reason, he has even been likened to Hitler earlier in this thread. Most of what I am reading, are 1-2 short sentences, with no political association, referring to lockdown, amount of deaths, and ending in calling him various names. Most people have said some homophobic or racist things in their life, even me, now I'm in no way defending that, but I'm also not using it as an excuse to ramble hate on somebody. Would it be fair to call him racist and homophobic then? People are getting upset about the way he is dealing with the crisis, if can’t deal with the name calling and hate then maybe he isn’t fit for the job. If you feel the hate is over the top on here then report the profiles and block them, " I'm not going to report the profile for expressing hate of our PM in a public setting, that is petty. But I have said, I block those who do so... But as I mentioned, it's becoming increasingly more common to just hate speech on here | |||
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"This 'leave Boris alone, he's doing his best' stuff is so pitiable. Just pathetic. He's the prime minister. He's not a five year old doing their first school play. This is the sort of shit we don't need... Pitiable, pathetic? Why don't you keep your words to yourself if you've nothing constructive to say. Do you mean like the word ‘tard’ Not at all... I used that word in reference to stupid people, saying stupid things, and not actually basing what they've said on anything, just stupidity. I didn't just post a reply calling somebody a tard then leave it at that... I used the word in conjunction with an argument point I was trying to get across. This person just up and calls me pitiable, pathetic and that's just that.... Imo, 2 different situations in which people are being called names, except I gave reference as to why..." No he didn’t, the message wasn’t directly quoted to you . It is hypocritical for you to call people tards and then get offended if someone else calls people pathetic and pitiful | |||
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" Do you think Boris is doing a good job dealing with the pandemic? I think the financial side has been good but the rest has been awful. Honestly? No, but as I said in my original post, there's no point to saying "he/she would've done better!" Because we have to face the fact that, nobody knows that... Not even the politicians themselves know if they would've done better. We have Boris, end of, yes, be critical of him, and blame him for as much as he deserves blame for. But posting a status on a swinging website just blasting hate at the man for, as I said, doing what he feels is best in a fucked up worldwide situation, isnt going to help anyone, just piss people off and annoy. What type of ‘hate’ have you read? If it’s criticism of the way he is doing the job then it is fair game but you have to remember that this is a man that has made numerous racist and homophobic comments . He isn’t a very nice person I've read him being called all sorts of nasty names without reason, he has even been likened to Hitler earlier in this thread. Most of what I am reading, are 1-2 short sentences, with no political association, referring to lockdown, amount of deaths, and ending in calling him various names. Most people have said some homophobic or racist things in their life, even me, now I'm in no way defending that, but I'm also not using it as an excuse to ramble hate on somebody. Would it be fair to call him racist and homophobic then? People are getting upset about the way he is dealing with the crisis, if can’t deal with the name calling and hate then maybe he isn’t fit for the job. If you feel the hate is over the top on here then report the profiles and block them, I'm not going to report the profile for expressing hate of our PM in a public setting, that is petty. But I have said, I block those who do so... But as I mentioned, it's becoming increasingly more common to just hate speech on here" I haven’t seen any ‘hate ‘ towards Boris on people’s profiles or statuses, maybe you are looking for things to suit your agenda . | |||
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" Do you think Boris is doing a good job dealing with the pandemic? I think the financial side has been good but the rest has been awful. Honestly? No, but as I said in my original post, there's no point to saying "he/she would've done better!" Because we have to face the fact that, nobody knows that... Not even the politicians themselves know if they would've done better. We have Boris, end of, yes, be critical of him, and blame him for as much as he deserves blame for. But posting a status on a swinging website just blasting hate at the man for, as I said, doing what he feels is best in a fucked up worldwide situation, isnt going to help anyone, just piss people off and annoy." But in your OP you stated he's going his best! That's one thing that led me to comment. | |||
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" Do you think Boris is doing a good job dealing with the pandemic? I think the financial side has been good but the rest has been awful. Honestly? No, but as I said in my original post, there's no point to saying "he/she would've done better!" Because we have to face the fact that, nobody knows that... Not even the politicians themselves know if they would've done better. We have Boris, end of, yes, be critical of him, and blame him for as much as he deserves blame for. But posting a status on a swinging website just blasting hate at the man for, as I said, doing what he feels is best in a fucked up worldwide situation, isnt going to help anyone, just piss people off and annoy. What type of ‘hate’ have you read? If it’s criticism of the way he is doing the job then it is fair game but you have to remember that this is a man that has made numerous racist and homophobic comments . He isn’t a very nice person I've read him being called all sorts of nasty names without reason, he has even been likened to Hitler earlier in this thread. Most of what I am reading, are 1-2 short sentences, with no political association, referring to lockdown, amount of deaths, and ending in calling him various names. Most people have said some homophobic or racist things in their life, even me, now I'm in no way defending that, but I'm also not using it as an excuse to ramble hate on somebody." I don't see what is going to make you realise the guy is a pathological liar who is only concerned about his career. Integrity is the keyword here, he has none. He thinks the rules do not apply to him. Look at any position he has held, it's a litany of cock ups. He has not one decent political achievement to his name. I was sucked in, I used to like him. The silly hair, the Latin, the daft quips. After that there is literally nothing of substance. Now, that's fine, if you want a comedian/clown running the country....I don't. | |||
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"I'm not going to quote because it's pointless. Yeah, the pitiable and pathetic line wasn't directly quoted at me, but it was said in response to my asking people to stop hate bashing the PM... Who else was he referencing in that message? As for looking for things to suit my agenda, do you think im going around looking on people statuses for hate remarks? I dont have an agenda.... statuses are viewable by locale... Hotlist, and friends. I've seen none on my friends list, a few on my hotlist, but it's mostly the local members where I end up seeing and reading it." So you can call people ‘tards’ for hating on Boris but others can’t call people defending him pathetic and pitiful? | |||
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" But in your OP you stated he's going his best! That's one thing that led me to comment. Somebody can do a bad job, and still be doing thier best. " But that can not be said for Boris. He has refused to acknowledge professional advice and gone against advice given! IF he was doing his best, he'd at least listen to those who know hat they're on about! | |||
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" But in your OP you stated he's going his best! That's one thing that led me to comment. Somebody can do a bad job, and still be doing thier best. " So we should congratulate Boris for doing a really bad job as long as he is doing his best? He spent the first 2 weeks of the crisis on holiday. If his best is not good enough he should do the honourable thing, resign | |||
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"I'm not going to quote because it's pointless. Yeah, the pitiable and pathetic line wasn't directly quoted at me, but it was said in response to my asking people to stop hate bashing the PM... Who else was he referencing in that message? As for looking for things to suit my agenda, do you think im going around looking on people statuses for hate remarks? I dont have an agenda.... statuses are viewable by locale... Hotlist, and friends. I've seen none on my friends list, a few on my hotlist, but it's mostly the local members where I end up seeing and reading it. So you can call people ‘tards’ for hating on Boris but others can’t call people defending him pathetic and pitiful? " Again, I don't believe I called anyone a tard specifically for hating on Boris, I used the word in reference to the average member of the public being stupider than a sack of bricks, and a few people on this thread who said stupid shit for no reason other than to stir the pot, which they did, and haven't come back since.... | |||
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"I'm not going to quote because it's pointless. Yeah, the pitiable and pathetic line wasn't directly quoted at me, but it was said in response to my asking people to stop hate bashing the PM... Who else was he referencing in that message? As for looking for things to suit my agenda, do you think im going around looking on people statuses for hate remarks? I dont have an agenda.... statuses are viewable by locale... Hotlist, and friends. I've seen none on my friends list, a few on my hotlist, but it's mostly the local members where I end up seeing and reading it. So you can call people ‘tards’ for hating on Boris but others can’t call people defending him pathetic and pitiful? Again, I don't believe I called anyone a tard specifically for hating on Boris, I used the word in reference to the average member of the public being stupider than a sack of bricks, and a few people on this thread who said stupid shit for no reason other than to stir the pot, which they did, and haven't come back since.... " But you ‘stirred the pot’ with your OP. You can’t call people names then get offended when others call people names, that would be hypocritical. Which members of the public or stupider than a ‘sack of bricks’ ? The ones criticising Boris? | |||
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" But in your OP you stated he's going his best! That's one thing that led me to comment. Somebody can do a bad job, and still be doing thier best. So we should congratulate Boris for doing a really bad job as long as he is doing his best? He spent the first 2 weeks of the crisis on holiday. If his best is not good enough he should do the honourable thing, resign " Where are you getting this shit from? I did not once say congratulate him, okay. In fact, I said be critical... I honestly believe he is doing his best, it might not be as good as everyone wants, and he might make fuck ups, but we can only ask people to do their best... He is what we have at the end of the day, we have to deal with it and try to see this through to the end. | |||
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" But in your OP you stated he's going his best! That's one thing that led me to comment. Somebody can do a bad job, and still be doing thier best. So we should congratulate Boris for doing a really bad job as long as he is doing his best? He spent the first 2 weeks of the crisis on holiday. If his best is not good enough he should do the honourable thing, resign Where are you getting this shit from? I did not once say congratulate him, okay. In fact, I said be critical... I honestly believe he is doing his best, it might not be as good as everyone wants, and he might make fuck ups, but we can only ask people to do their best... He is what we have at the end of the day, we have to deal with it and try to see this through to the end." Presumably doing your 4 best is fucking off to the country and missing 4 key meetings. To be utterly fair to him I wouldn't lay this total clusterfuck at his door but his position Carrys a degree of responsibility. | |||
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" But in your OP you stated he's going his best! That's one thing that led me to comment. Somebody can do a bad job, and still be doing thier best. So we should congratulate Boris for doing a really bad job as long as he is doing his best? He spent the first 2 weeks of the crisis on holiday. If his best is not good enough he should do the honourable thing, resign Where are you getting this shit from? I did not once say congratulate him, okay. In fact, I said be critical... I honestly believe he is doing his best, it might not be as good as everyone wants, and he might make fuck ups, but we can only ask people to do their best... He is what we have at the end of the day, we have to deal with it and try to see this through to the end." No, he is the PM during a crisis,if his best is not good enough he should realise this and resign. | |||
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" But you ‘stirred the pot’ with your OP. You can’t call people names then get offended when others call people names, that would be hypocritical. Which members of the public or stupider than a ‘sack of bricks’ ? The ones criticising Boris? " I didn't stir any pot, the first 3 or so people to post agreed with me... Great job trying there... By members of the public, I mean, your average stranger walking down the street. You know, the ones who turned up to beaches and parks for mass gatherings during a pandemic.... Somebody who's political affiliation is unknown to me, but after 5-6 seconds watching them, you know there is nothing going on upstairs. | |||
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" But you ‘stirred the pot’ with your OP. You can’t call people names then get offended when others call people names, that would be hypocritical. Which members of the public or stupider than a ‘sack of bricks’ ? The ones criticising Boris? I didn't stir any pot, the first 3 or so people to post agreed with me... Great job trying there... By members of the public, I mean, your average stranger walking down the street. You know, the ones who turned up to beaches and parks for mass gatherings during a pandemic.... Somebody who's political affiliation is unknown to me, but after 5-6 seconds watching them, you know there is nothing going on upstairs. " Brexit voters? | |||
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" But in your OP you stated he's going his best! That's one thing that led me to comment. Somebody can do a bad job, and still be doing thier best. So we should congratulate Boris for doing a really bad job as long as he is doing his best? He spent the first 2 weeks of the crisis on holiday. If his best is not good enough he should do the honourable thing, resign Where are you getting this shit from? I did not once say congratulate him, okay. In fact, I said be critical... I honestly believe he is doing his best, it might not be as good as everyone wants, and he might make fuck ups, but we can only ask people to do their best... He is what we have at the end of the day, we have to deal with it and try to see this through to the end. Presumably doing your 4 best is fucking off to the country and missing 4 key meetings. To be utterly fair to him I wouldn't lay this total clusterfuck at his door but his position Carrys a degree of responsibility." Ultimately he is supposed to be the man in charge, he appointed the ministers and if they aren’t doing their jobs properly he should replace them . | |||
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" But you ‘stirred the pot’ with your OP. You can’t call people names then get offended when others call people names, that would be hypocritical. Which members of the public or stupider than a ‘sack of bricks’ ? The ones criticising Boris? I didn't stir any pot, the first 3 or so people to post agreed with me... Great job trying there... By members of the public, I mean, your average stranger walking down the street. You know, the ones who turned up to beaches and parks for mass gatherings during a pandemic.... Somebody who's political affiliation is unknown to me, but after 5-6 seconds watching them, you know there is nothing going on upstairs. " Tory voters? | |||
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" But in your OP you stated he's going his best! That's one thing that led me to comment. Somebody can do a bad job, and still be doing thier best. So we should congratulate Boris for doing a really bad job as long as he is doing his best? He spent the first 2 weeks of the crisis on holiday. If his best is not good enough he should do the honourable thing, resign Where are you getting this shit from? I did not once say congratulate him, okay. In fact, I said be critical... I honestly believe he is doing his best, it might not be as good as everyone wants, and he might make fuck ups, but we can only ask people to do their best... He is what we have at the end of the day, we have to deal with it and try to see this through to the end. No, he is the PM during a crisis,if his best is not good enough he should realise this and resign. " To do this, he need courage and some intelligence, but as everyone knows, boris has a problem with that. | |||
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" But in your OP you stated he's going his best! That's one thing that led me to comment. Somebody can do a bad job, and still be doing thier best. So we should congratulate Boris for doing a really bad job as long as he is doing his best? He spent the first 2 weeks of the crisis on holiday. If his best is not good enough he should do the honourable thing, resign Where are you getting this shit from? I did not once say congratulate him, okay. In fact, I said be critical... I honestly believe he is doing his best, it might not be as good as everyone wants, and he might make fuck ups, but we can only ask people to do their best... He is what we have at the end of the day, we have to deal with it and try to see this through to the end. No, he is the PM during a crisis,if his best is not good enough he should realise this and resign. To do this, he need courage and some intelligence, but as everyone knows, boris has a problem with that. " And integrity and he has fuck all I'm the way of that | |||
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"I would love to have seen the fuck yard that was the labour leader taking this job on then we would be sunk The guy could not run a bath nevermind a country he can’t find his area with both hands arise sir Boris I say
He's not but boris is..
And its been a mess on many levels..
The buck will stop at his door not the last leader of the opposition in December last year..
He will still get my vote and many more
Even tho iv not had a brass cent from the government thro all of this pandemic
As I do not qualify as my company’s are oversea’s I came back home in November
For what he did for almost every last one of the people with the furlough scheme he stood there and saved a lot of asses some are even moaning about that.
Ffs just listen to some of you some need to stop Yr arse eating the couch
And stand on Yr own 2 feet just my option of course pewffff"Assuming you mean just your opinion, then it's based on ignorance.. | |||
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"I would love to have seen the fuck yard that was the labour leader taking this job on then we would be sunk The guy could not run a bath nevermind a country he can’t find his area with both hands arise sir Boris I say
He's not but boris is..
And its been a mess on many levels..
The buck will stop at his door not the last leader of the opposition in December last year..
He will still get my vote and many more
Even tho iv not had a brass cent from the government thro all of this pandemic
As I do not qualify as my company’s are oversea’s I came back home in November
For what he did for almost every last one of the people with the furlough scheme he stood there and saved a lot of asses some are even moaning about that.
Ffs just listen to some of you some need to stop Yr arse eating the couch
And stand on Yr own 2 feet just my option of course pewffff
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"What is your motivation here? You obvious wrote the OP for a reason? First you called people tards then stupider then a sack of bricks then further insults but getting defensive when someone says that people defending Boris are pathetic. I know your new to the politics forums but your making a bit of a fool of yourself " Well for one, my intention is stated in my original post. It was a way to vent about people using fab as a platform for hatespeech against our PM. I replied to _arciocial (apologies if I'm misspelling) and used the word tard, but the manner of my reply wasn't aggressive or defensive, it was a genuine reply. I then only started actually replying again when people turned up to use the thread is created to try and motivate people to stop the hate, to spout more hatespeech. Honestly, I don't care if I'm making myself look a fool, plenty of other people also managed that for themselves in this thread imo, by not understanding or seemingly even reading what I had written. | |||
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"So, I keep seeing people hating on Boris Johnson for his reaction and response to the global pandemic that is covid-19.... Can we stop? Let's face it, no other british politician could of done any better, and before you say, "well actually, blah blah blah" A, there is no way to know if others would've done any better. B, he didn't start the pandemic, cut the man some slack, he is doing his best in a poor situation. This is not s thread to start political conversation, it's purely a venting opportunity so I can get all these tards bitching about Boris out of my head. If you have something constructive to add, by all means, be my guest, but if like the majority of the forum, you are going to jab and leave snide remarks, then please, don't." 1. Don't tell me what to do. 2. Don't call me a tard. Your point A: Agreed. The reverse is also true. To suggest that a Labour government would have been even worse is also facile and no more than opinion. Even if you believe that their response would have been worse, you are logically admitting that this is the best any UK government could have done - which is obviously utter shite. Your point B: Why should I cut him any slack? His best has clearly not been good enough - and I was one of the 56.4% of UK voters who did not assent to him forming a Government. Perhaps part of the reason he and his Cabinet are being held up to scrutiny - and even ridicule - is that they have done such a poor job of handling this crisis, that many people (by no means all of them tards, as you - with your towering intellect - would call them) actually believe they could do better themselves. Undoubtedly, they would be wrong; but the mere fact they think they could is an indication of how little faith Boris has been able to instil in them. He does not fill everyone with confidence, the way he fills you. | |||
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" 1. Don't tell me what to do. 2. Don't call me a tard. Your point A: Agreed. The reverse is also true. To suggest that a Labour government would have been even worse is also facile and no more than opinion. Even if you believe that their response would have been worse, you are logically admitting that this is the best any UK government could have done - which is obviously utter shite. Your point B: Why should I cut him any slack? His best has clearly not been good enough - and I was one of the 56.4% of UK voters who did not assent to him forming a Government. Perhaps part of the reason he and his Cabinet are being held up to scrutiny - and even ridicule - is that they have done such a poor job of handling this crisis, that many people (by no means all of them tards, as you - with your towering intellect - would call them) actually believe they could do better themselves. Undoubtedly, they would be wrong; but the mere fact they think they could is an indication of how little faith Boris has been able to instil in them. He does not fill everyone with confidence, the way he fills you." 1. I didn't tell you what to do, not at all, I didn't tell anyone what to do, I don't know where you got that idea. 2. I didn't call you a tard, I don't even know who you are, but you obviously aren't the average member of the public. A. I did not say anybody would be worse, or anybody would be better. I claimed that there is no point in saying "X would've been better, Y would've been worse" because there is no way of knowing that, what's done is done, and making those assumptions is just a waste of time. B. I'm not telling you that you have to cut him some slack, it was originally a question, when I asked "can we stop?". And I don't know about you, but have you been going around spouting hate about Boris on fab? I wouldn't of thought you had... So ultimately, I haven't even asked you to do anything at all. I don't know why you felt the need to reply. | |||
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"Just one last bit... on the subject of Boris instilling confidence... "The way he fills you" Try reading the thread before posting your epic rant of null points... " I suggest you go and live in China or Russia, you won't have to worry about people criticising their glorious leaders. You can't come on a forum and tell people to stop scrutinizing a government. You maybe happy with a bloke who fucks off on holiday, misses essential meetings, shakes hands with contagious patients and only decides to take control of the crises 4 months in. So, go and hug your Boris effigy, let others have their own opinion on this shit shower. | |||
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" I suggest you go and live in China or Russia, you won't have to worry about people criticising their glorious leaders. You can't come on a forum and tell people to stop scrutinizing a government. You maybe happy with a bloke who fucks off on holiday, misses essential meetings, shakes hands with contagious patients and only decides to take control of the crises 4 months in. So, go and hug your Boris effigy, let others have their own opinion on this shit shower." Jeez.... How many times do I have to say I'm not a Boris fan, I'm just sick of hate being publicly displayed on a fucking swinging website.... I've not told anyone to do anything, I asked a fucking question..... Then all lot turned up without correctly reading the post and started making wild fucking assumptions and putting words in my mouth. Other than the fact that you quoted me literally pointing out that he doesn't instill me with confidence, and acted as if I worship the man. | |||
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" I suggest you go and live in China or Russia, you won't have to worry about people criticising their glorious leaders. You can't come on a forum and tell people to stop scrutinizing a government. You maybe happy with a bloke who fucks off on holiday, misses essential meetings, shakes hands with contagious patients and only decides to take control of the crises 4 months in. So, go and hug your Boris effigy, let others have their own opinion on this shit shower. Jeez.... How many times do I have to say I'm not a Boris fan, I'm just sick of hate being publicly displayed on a fucking swinging website.... I've not told anyone to do anything, I asked a fucking question..... Then all lot turned up without correctly reading the post and started making wild fucking assumptions and putting words in my mouth. Other than the fact that you quoted me literally pointing out that he doesn't instill me with confidence, and acted as if I worship the man." You asked people to 'please stop'.....what scrutiny. You can always not read the posts | |||
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" You asked people to 'please stop'.....what scrutiny. You can always not read the posts "Lol, no... I said "can we stop?" You can feel free to go back to to the top of the thread and check for yourself if you feel the need, but as I have said multiple times over the course of this thread, people keep replying without fully reading, or understanding what I've written, causing arguments like this. Earlier in the thread somebody asked if I thought he was doing a good job, I said no... From that, somebody has taken that he instills me with confidence, and another that I hug an effigy of him, it's ridiculous. | |||
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" You asked people to 'please stop'.....what scrutiny. You can always not read the posts
Lol, no...
I said "can we stop?"
You can feel free to go back to to the top of the thread and check for yourself if you feel the need, but as I have said multiple times over the course of this thread, people keep replying without fully reading, or understanding what I've written, causing arguments like this.
Earlier in the thread somebody asked if I thought he was doing a good job, I said no...
From that, somebody has taken that he instills me with confidence, and another that I hug an effigy of him, it's ridiculous."If you are not a boris fan, then what do you care what people write about him? It's ridiculous  | |||
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" You asked people to 'please stop'.....what scrutiny. You can always not read the posts
Lol, no...
I said "can we stop?"
You can feel free to go back to to the top of the thread and check for yourself if you feel the need, but as I have said multiple times over the course of this thread, people keep replying without fully reading, or understanding what I've written, causing arguments like this.
Earlier in the thread somebody asked if I thought he was doing a good job, I said no...
From that, somebody has taken that he instills me with confidence, and another that I hug an effigy of him, it's ridiculous.
If you are not a boris fan, then what do you care what people write about him? It's ridiculous "Another one... Great. I have openly said, be critical, but hate for hates sake is just pointless and annoying. If you are going to be critical of Boris, fine, when you've got your points and you make them, that's all good. When you look at the updates page to see people just posting things like, stupid cunt Boris ruining all our fun, scumbag. Or, Boris is such a tosser, I hope he gets covid again. They aren't word for word, but that's just a couple more I saw this morning. | |||
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" You asked people to 'please stop'.....what scrutiny. You can always not read the posts
Lol, no...
I said "can we stop?"
You can feel free to go back to to the top of the thread and check for yourself if you feel the need, but as I have said multiple times over the course of this thread, people keep replying without fully reading, or understanding what I've written, causing arguments like this.
Earlier in the thread somebody asked if I thought he was doing a good job, I said no...
From that, somebody has taken that he instills me with confidence, and another that I hug an effigy of him, it's ridiculous.
If you are not a boris fan, then what do you care what people write about him? It's ridiculous
Another one... Great.
I have openly said, be critical, but hate for hates sake is just pointless and annoying.
If you are going to be critical of Boris, fine, when you've got your points and you make them, that's all good.
When you look at the updates page to see people just posting things like,
stupid cunt Boris ruining all our fun, scumbag.
Or,
Boris is such a tosser, I hope he gets covid again.
They aren't word for word, but that's just a couple more I saw this morning."No one has uttered those words in this forum. From what I can see people have made the judgments on his performance. Which for many of us is beyond woeful. For me personally I think he has blood on his hands. | |||
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" You asked people to 'please stop'.....what scrutiny. You can always not read the posts
Lol, no...
I said "can we stop?"
You can feel free to go back to to the top of the thread and check for yourself if you feel the need, but as I have said multiple times over the course of this thread, people keep replying without fully reading, or understanding what I've written, causing arguments like this.
Earlier in the thread somebody asked if I thought he was doing a good job, I said no...
From that, somebody has taken that he instills me with confidence, and another that I hug an effigy of him, it's ridiculous.
If you are not a boris fan, then what do you care what people write about him? It's ridiculous
Another one... Great.
I have openly said, be critical, but hate for hates sake is just pointless and annoying.
If you are going to be critical of Boris, fine, when you've got your points and you make them, that's all good.
When you look at the updates page to see people just posting things like,
stupid cunt Boris ruining all our fun, scumbag.
Or,
Boris is such a tosser, I hope he gets covid again.
They aren't word for word, but that's just a couple more I saw this morning."Where was this latter quote you refer to? Only reason I'm asking is that someone now not on the site said something similar weeks ago and was roundly criticised by pretty much everyone who frequents the politics forum.. | |||
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" You asked people to 'please stop'.....what scrutiny. You can always not read the posts
Lol, no...
I said "can we stop?"
You can feel free to go back to to the top of the thread and check for yourself if you feel the need, but as I have said multiple times over the course of this thread, people keep replying without fully reading, or understanding what I've written, causing arguments like this.
Earlier in the thread somebody asked if I thought he was doing a good job, I said no...
From that, somebody has taken that he instills me with confidence, and another that I hug an effigy of him, it's ridiculous.
If you are not a boris fan, then what do you care what people write about him? It's ridiculous
Another one... Great.
I have openly said, be critical, but hate for hates sake is just pointless and annoying.
If you are going to be critical of Boris, fine, when you've got your points and you make them, that's all good.
When you look at the updates page to see people just posting things like,
stupid cunt Boris ruining all our fun, scumbag.
Or,
Boris is such a tosser, I hope he gets covid again.
They aren't word for word, but that's just a couple more I saw this morning."The thing is your defence of Johnson is based on updates you are seeing elsewhere rather than discussing what people contributing to the thread are saying... | |||
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"So, I keep seeing people hating on Boris Johnson for his reaction and response to the global pandemic that is covid-19.... Can we stop? Let's face it, no other british politician could of done any better, and before you say, "well actually, blah blah blah" A, there is no way to know if others would've done any better. B, he didn't start the pandemic, cut the man some slack, he is doing his best in a poor situation. This is not s thread to start political conversation, it's purely a venting opportunity so I can get all these tards bitching about Boris out of my head. If you have something constructive to add, by all means, be my guest, but if like the majority of the forum, you are going to jab and leave snide remarks, then please, don't." | |||
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" You asked people to 'please stop'.....what scrutiny. You can always not read the posts
Lol, no...
I said "can we stop?"
You can feel free to go back to to the top of the thread and check for yourself if you feel the need, but as I have said multiple times over the course of this thread, people keep replying without fully reading, or understanding what I've written, causing arguments like this.
Earlier in the thread somebody asked if I thought he was doing a good job, I said no...
From that, somebody has taken that he instills me with confidence, and another that I hug an effigy of him, it's ridiculous.
If you are not a boris fan, then what do you care what people write about him? It's ridiculous
Another one... Great.
I have openly said, be critical, but hate for hates sake is just pointless and annoying.
If you are going to be critical of Boris, fine, when you've got your points and you make them, that's all good.
When you look at the updates page to see people just posting things like,
stupid cunt Boris ruining all our fun, scumbag.
Or,
Boris is such a tosser, I hope he gets covid again.
They aren't word for word, but that's just a couple more I saw this morning."Oh no, millionaire PM Boris Johnson is getting some silly abuse on a swinging forum that he will never see or care about even if he did. Why don't you save your concern for the people whose lives his decisions effect? | |||
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"What a stupid thread. Which MP could have done better, might as well ask which Disney character could have done better or which historical figure could have done better. It doesn't matter, Boris is PM and he has done a terrible job. If you cant see that, maybe you should go for a 60 mile drive and test your eyesight. " | |||
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"What a stupid thread. Which MP could have done better, might as well ask which Disney character could have done better or which historical figure could have done better. It doesn't matter, Boris is PM and he has done a terrible job. If you cant see that, maybe you should go for a 60 mile drive and test your eyesight. " | |||
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"What a stupid thread. Which MP could have done better, might as well ask which Disney character could have done better or which historical figure could have done better. It doesn't matter, Boris is PM and he has done a terrible job. If you cant see that, maybe you should go for a 60 mile drive and test your eyesight. " | |||
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"In reply to everything said since my last post. 1. As I've said before, these aren't on forum posts, they are status updates, if they were forums posts, I'd of never seen them. 2. I started with replying in normal discussion with those replying, until people arrived who needlessly spread hate on this very thread. 3. I didn't start the "who would do better" debate, I even said there's no point in that debate. 4. I don't drive, and have perfect vision, save your snide insults for when you've correctly assessed and understood the thread. 5. Yet another person who actually agreed with my original post... Thank you for reading the whole post before renting." You actually contradictd yourself. You said no other politician would do better before saying it's pointless saying who would do better. | |||
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"What a stupid thread. Which MP could have done better, might as well ask which Disney character could have done better or which historical figure could have done better. It doesn't matter, Boris is PM and he has done a terrible job. If you cant see that, maybe you should go for a 60 mile drive and test your eyesight. " Trolling for trolling sake is not very nice. I didnt make the thread to argue who would've done better, I even said it was pointless to have that debate. I have said previously in this thread that I don't think he has done a good job, but he is PM and we have to deal with that. Maybe you need your eyes tested if you couldn't see that. Or brain tested if you couldn't understand it. | |||
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" You actually contradictd yourself. You said no other politician would do better before saying it's pointless saying who would do better." Lol, no... I said, " A, there is no way to know if others would've done any better." Another case of people not actually reading my original post, and putting words in my mouth. | |||
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" You actually contradictd yourself. You said no other politician would do better before saying it's pointless saying who would do better. Lol, no... I said, A, there is no way to know if others would've done any better. Another case of people not actually reading my original post, and putting words in my mouth." Your actual words..let's face it no other British politician would have done better | |||
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" You actually contradictd yourself. You said no other politician would do better before saying it's pointless saying who would do better. Lol, no... I said, A, there is no way to know if others would've done any better. Another case of people not actually reading my original post, and putting words in my mouth. Your actual words..let's face it no other British politician would have done better" Right, that's not an open debate on who's better though is it. And if you want to get really picky, I didn't say they would do worse did I? Nope, infact I've stated multiple times, they are ALL full of shit. Across the board, UK politicians would of done just as bad as eachother. No one better, no one worse. | |||
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" You actually contradictd yourself. You said no other politician would do better before saying it's pointless saying who would do better. Lol, no... I said, A, there is no way to know if others would've done any better. Another case of people not actually reading my original post, and putting words in my mouth. Your actual words..let's face it no other British politician would have done better Right, that's not an open debate on who's better though is it. And if you want to get really picky, I didn't say they would do worse did I? Nope, infact I've stated multiple times, they are ALL full of shit. Across the board, UK politicians would of done just as bad as eachother. No one better, no one worse." No one knows..and I actually agree with you it's a pointless comparison to make. Which begs the question..what was the point of the thread? Was it simply a 'get of boris's back ' thread? | |||
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" If you have something constructive to add, by all means, be my guest, but if like the majority of the forum, you are going to jab and leave snide remarks, then please, don't." It's ironic that you have increasingly failed to meet your own criteria for contributing to this thread | |||
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" If you have something constructive to add, by all means, be my guest, but if like the majority of the forum, you are going to jab and leave snide remarks, then please, don't. It's ironic that you have increasingly failed to meet your own criteria for contributing to this thread" It's annoying how people will reply things like this for seemingly no reason. What good comes from it? Other than essentially just getting under somebodies skin.... | |||
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"Really? My original post covers that... It was a thread to vent my frustrations at people using fab statuses to just openly spout hate at our PM without giving any reference or backing up their hate with legitimate points in any way. I asked for constructive discussion, and no snide remarks, which was all good for a short while... Then people arrived with their hatespeech, stupid comparisons and stopped actually reading what I was writing, and just trying to shoot me down for the sake of it. I'm not here to back the PM, his done a bad job, I'm not denying that. I'm also not saying don't criticize, infact, I have said be critical, but if you are being critical without having a basis for that criticism, then it just comes across as needless hate." I havent seen any 'hate'on here whatsoever. You may get the off comment on the virus forum but it's certainly not an accurate barometer. | |||
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" I havent seen any 'hate'on here whatsoever. You may get the off comment on the virus forum but it's certainly not an accurate barometer." So, this was originally posted to the virus forum. I'm also not referencing the forums in the hate, I've specifically said status updates, many times now. And as for not seeing any here.... Earlier in the thread, Boris was likened to Hitler, Pol pot, and somebody said he was complicit in genocide, which is a ridiculous statement. | |||
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" I havent seen any 'hate'on here whatsoever. You may get the off comment on the virus forum but it's certainly not an accurate barometer. So, this was originally posted to the virus forum. I'm also not referencing the forums in the hate, I've specifically said status updates, many times now. And as for not seeing any here.... Earlier in the thread, Boris was likened to Hitler, Pol pot, and somebody said he was complicit in genocide, which is a ridiculous statement." Fair enough the Hitler/pol pot comparisons were crass . | |||
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"So, I keep seeing people hating on Boris Johnson for his reaction and response to the global pandemic that is covid-19.... Can we stop? Let's face it, no other british politician could of done any better, and before you say, "well actually, blah blah blah" A, there is no way to know if others would've done any better. B, he didn't start the pandemic, cut the man some slack, he is doing his best in a poor situation. This is not s thread to start political conversation, it's purely a venting opportunity so I can get all these tards bitching about Boris out of my head. If you have something constructive to add, by all means, be my guest, but if like the majority of the forum, you are going to jab and leave snide remarks, then please, don't. "Can always count on you Emma for irony and gross hypocrisy.. | |||
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"In reply to everything said since my last post. 1. As I've said before, these aren't on forum posts, they are status updates, if they were forums posts, I'd of never seen them. 2. I started with replying in normal discussion with those replying, until people arrived who needlessly spread hate on this very thread. 3. I didn't start the "who would do better" debate, I even said there's no point in that debate. 4. I don't drive, and have perfect vision, save your snide insults for when you've correctly assessed and understood the thread. 5. Yet another person who actually agreed with my original post... Thank you for reading the whole post before renting." So address where and to whom they are by..? Just a thought.. | |||
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"Even if it is just yourself Lionel... I hope you can see now, how I'm not here to pick a side or try to shit on anyone's views, I took a shot at trying to mitigate the amount of hate I was seeing floating about for no reason. And instead had people start trying to put me down because they weren't grasping what I was getting at. Either way, I ultimately failed so... Eh, what're you gonna do. It is what it is unfortunately. " I think there is a lot of anger out there tbh | |||
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"Even if it is just yourself Lionel... I hope you can see now, how I'm not here to pick a side or try to shit on anyone's views, I took a shot at trying to mitigate the amount of hate I was seeing floating about for no reason. And instead had people start trying to put me down because they weren't grasping what I was getting at. Either way, I ultimately failed so... Eh, what're you gonna do. It is what it is unfortunately. " I think you possibly failed to grasp how an open forum for discussion works. When you start by essentially saying I don't want to hear a particular point of view, you're on a hiding to nothing. Especially when what you don't want to hear, are ligitimate issues with the performance of our government. | |||
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"Even if it is just yourself Lionel... I hope you can see now, how I'm not here to pick a side or try to shit on anyone's views, I took a shot at trying to mitigate the amount of hate I was seeing floating about for no reason. And instead had people start trying to put me down because they weren't grasping what I was getting at. Either way, I ultimately failed so... Eh, what're you gonna do. It is what it is unfortunately. " Everyone grasped what you were trying to do. We just think it's silly to pearl clutch about people having a go at a politician. Also having re-read your original post, I don't think someone who calls people 'tards' has any room to criticise other people's language. | |||
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"Even if it is just yourself Lionel... I hope you can see now, how I'm not here to pick a side or try to shit on anyone's views, I took a shot at trying to mitigate the amount of hate I was seeing floating about for no reason. And instead had people start trying to put me down because they weren't grasping what I was getting at. Either way, I ultimately failed so... Eh, what're you gonna do. It is what it is unfortunately. I think you possibly failed to grasp how an open forum for discussion works. When you start by essentially saying I don't want to hear a particular point of view, you're on a hiding to nothing. Especially when what you don't want to hear, are ligitimate issues with the performance of our government. " ??? No, what I didn't want to hear was senseless hate with no actual points or facts to back it up. I do not see how that is so hard for people to understand. I've said it multiple times over the course of this thread... | |||
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"Even if it is just yourself Lionel... I hope you can see now, how I'm not here to pick a side or try to shit on anyone's views, I took a shot at trying to mitigate the amount of hate I was seeing floating about for no reason. And instead had people start trying to put me down because they weren't grasping what I was getting at. Either way, I ultimately failed so... Eh, what're you gonna do. It is what it is unfortunately. Everyone grasped what you were trying to do. We just think it's silly to pearl clutch about people having a go at a politician. Also having re-read your original post, I don't think someone who calls people 'tards' has any room to criticise other people's language. " So you didn't grasp what I was trying to do then. As if you did, you'd know I have no issue with people criticising politicians if they provide a basis for the criticism. What I was trying to do, was stop the hate in a public setting without any sort of points or facts behind it. It's the difference between, "I don't like Boris, because of X, Y, Z" And "Boris is a wanker, stopping all our fun, why did the NHS even treat him" | |||
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"Even if it is just yourself Lionel... I hope you can see now, how I'm not here to pick a side or try to shit on anyone's views, I took a shot at trying to mitigate the amount of hate I was seeing floating about for no reason. And instead had people start trying to put me down because they weren't grasping what I was getting at. Either way, I ultimately failed so... Eh, what're you gonna do. It is what it is unfortunately. Everyone grasped what you were trying to do. We just think it's silly to pearl clutch about people having a go at a politician. Also having re-read your original post, I don't think someone who calls people 'tards' has any room to criticise other people's language. So you didn't grasp what I was trying to do then. As if you did, you'd know I have no issue with people criticising politicians if they provide a basis for the criticism. What I was trying to do, was stop the hate in a public setting without any sort of points or facts behind it. It's the difference between, "I don't like Boris, because of X, Y, Z" And "Boris is a wanker, stopping all our fun, why did the NHS even treat him"" I entirely grasped what you were trying to do (by calling people 'tards', let's not forget). The point I'm making is that complaining about people insulting Johnson in their status updates (yes, even calling him a wanker!) is nothing more than pearl clutching. It doesn't hurt Johnson in any way. All it does is, by your own admission, annoy you. Get over it. | |||
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" I entirely grasped what you were trying to do (by calling people 'tards', let's not forget). The point I'm making is that complaining about people insulting Johnson in their status updates (yes, even calling him a wanker!) is nothing more than pearl clutching. It doesn't hurt Johnson in any way. All it does is, by your own admission, annoy you. Get over it. " Right, so instead of replying when you saw nothing was to come of it, you doubled down and thought, "hey, maybe I can annoy this person even more!" Great move. I'm soooo sorry for using a word that you don't like... Even if it doesn't actually hold any weight. I'll just hop up onto this cross so you can crucify me for it, but we will all just gloss over the guy who likened Boris to Hitler, Pol pot and Assad... Because everyone knows that Boris is mass murdering, psychotic dictator, hell bent on genocide. Remind me, where is this line in the sand that can't be crossed? Imo, using the word tard a few times is fuck all in comparison. | |||
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"You can't seriously expect to post that and expect to get no response or snide remarks? It's like the government giving guidelines on lockdown and people not to meet up; you didn't really have hope that people would listen, did you? All I was going to contribute was you don't actually know whether any other politician would have handled it better but you answered that in a comment further down. I don't think he did his best at all. There's a reason why other countries death rates are low and that's because their government took the right action. I did think I could post it and not get snide remarks, hence why I posted it. The comment on not replying with snide remarks is to dissuade said individuals, which I believe it did? I was of the group believing lockdown to be the incorrect choice of action due to the average individual in the UK being far far stupider than that of other countries, it only works if everyone follows, once it was shown that people weren't following, it should of been rescinded, but I understand why it wasn't, what with that being a metaphorical bullet in the head of his career in the eyes of the media. You think Boris knowingly chose a course of action that was non optimal in his eyes? Don't be silly, he did the best he could do with the options given to him. The fact that like 75% of the country consists of halfwit tards is not his fault." Surely he is meant to do what is best for the people and the country... Not his "career"? He is letting people crack on with his herd immunity program and placating some, after the Cummings balls up... He doesn't give a fuck about you or anyone else, apart from him n his mates | |||
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