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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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SKS shamed the PM and the Tory Government at PMQ’s in enacting a massive U turn on surcharges for NHS workers.
Who needs to be in power when you can change tory policy by highlighting BJ’s stupidity?
Tories better recognise that SKS is going to decimate their leadership.
No more letting them off the hook like the failure Corbyn was. |
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The 22 Committee must have face palmed when he came out with the 900 million figure and then later if they watched news night been wondering wtf have we got in charge..
Just another u turn to add to the one on the no tariffs in northern Ireland.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It can only be a matter of time before johnson needs to spend a bit more time with the baby, hes getting steamrolled by starmer on a daily basis, the problem the Tories have now is they dont have anyone who can go toe to toe with Keir. |
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"SKS shamed the PM and the Tory Government at PMQ’s in enacting a massive U turn on surcharges for NHS workers.
Who needs to be in power when you can change tory policy by highlighting BJ’s stupidity?
Tories better recognise that SKS is going to decimate their leadership.
No more letting them off the hook like the failure Corbyn was."
It's a result - but you do need to be in power if you want to make policies of your own.
When Boris came up with the £900M figure, it was obvious he had forgotten all about the £350M/week figure on the bus; or, worse, he thought everyone else had.
It will be interesting to see where SKS will focus his next attack.
Matt Hancock's incompetence and lying? Even the Speaker had a go at him for being a twat. |
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By *ik MMan
over a year ago
Lancashire |
"SKS shamed the PM and the Tory Government at PMQ’s in enacting a massive U turn on surcharges for NHS workers.
Who needs to be in power when you can change tory policy by highlighting BJ’s stupidity?
Tories better recognise that SKS is going to decimate their leadership.
No more letting them off the hook like the failure Corbyn was."
You’re probably right, a Tory majority of 72 next time is realistic |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"SKS shamed the PM and the Tory Government at PMQ’s in enacting a massive U turn on surcharges for NHS workers.
Who needs to be in power when you can change tory policy by highlighting BJ’s stupidity?
Tories better recognise that SKS is going to decimate their leadership.
No more letting them off the hook like the failure Corbyn was."
The pressure from his own backbenchers as well,it is government working as it should nothing to do with u turns a really stupid press phrase |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"SKS shamed the PM and the Tory Government at PMQ’s in enacting a massive U turn on surcharges for NHS workers.
Who needs to be in power when you can change tory policy by highlighting BJ’s stupidity?
Tories better recognise that SKS is going to decimate their leadership.
No more letting them off the hook like the failure Corbyn was."
Hi. Did you do any research on this.? It appears that the issue was discussed amongst various Conservative MPs and action taken to comply with their wishes. This simply proves that Boris is a listener and respects the opinions of his party members. If circumstances change there is no reason as to why you cannot change your opinion. It is difficult to see how Kier Starmer would have any influence on the decision . |
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"SKS shamed the PM and the Tory Government at PMQ’s in enacting a massive U turn on surcharges for NHS workers.
Who needs to be in power when you can change tory policy by highlighting BJ’s stupidity?
Tories better recognise that SKS is going to decimate their leadership.
No more letting them off the hook like the failure Corbyn was.The pressure from his own backbenchers as well,it is government working as it should nothing to do with u turns a really stupid press phrase"
When a pm spins like boris has that's a u turn..
To stand at the despatch box and not even have the correct figures is incompetence.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"SKS shamed the PM and the Tory Government at PMQ’s in enacting a massive U turn on surcharges for NHS workers.
Who needs to be in power when you can change tory policy by highlighting BJ’s stupidity?
Tories better recognise that SKS is going to decimate their leadership.
No more letting them off the hook like the failure Corbyn was. Hi. Did you do any research on this.? It appears that the issue was discussed amongst various Conservative MPs and action taken to comply with their wishes. This simply proves that Boris is a listener and respects the opinions of his party members. If circumstances change there is no reason as to why you cannot change your opinion. It is difficult to see how Kier Starmer would have any influence on the decision ."
Did you not say in one of your other four or five profiles that boris didn't need to listen Patrick?  |
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"SKS shamed the PM and the Tory Government at PMQ’s in enacting a massive U turn on surcharges for NHS workers.
Who needs to be in power when you can change tory policy by highlighting BJ’s stupidity?
Tories better recognise that SKS is going to decimate their leadership.
No more letting them off the hook like the failure Corbyn was. Hi. Did you do any research on this.? It appears that the issue was discussed amongst various Conservative MPs and action taken to comply with their wishes. This simply proves that Boris is a listener and respects the opinions of his party members. If circumstances change there is no reason as to why you cannot change your opinion. It is difficult to see how Kier Starmer would have any influence on the decision ."
What it shows is he did not have the common sense to assess within his party just how toxic and repugnant the intention he held at pmqs yesterday actually was..
Or was it arrogance?
Only when the prospect of his own party going public in shaming him did he give it thought..
He praised rightly the NHS when the staff saved his life weeks ago and then yesterday he spat in their faces..
That's his truth and lack of decency and any morality.. |
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"He does what is right by his MP,s and it's a u turn he doesn't and he is a dictator just can't win.  "
If he's only doing it for that reason it's pretty damming..
At least it's getting done as not to have would be shameful.. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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A good leader will always listen to those around them.I could see this being a thread if he had refused to but he has done the right thing yet people still want to criticize which makes me think it has nothing to do with policies just the person. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"A good leader will always listen to those around them.I could see this being a thread if he had refused to but he has done the right thing yet people still want to criticize which makes me think it has nothing to do with policies just the person."
Who do you think made him ‘change his mind ‘ ? He did the right thing just at the wrong time and for the wrong reasons . |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"A good leader will always listen to those around them.I could see this being a thread if he had refused to but he has done the right thing yet people still want to criticize which makes me think it has nothing to do with policies just the person."
Yet a great leader will fully consult with all sides before shooting their mouth off. The problem with BJ is his mouth opens without engaging his brain. Which is unforgivable.
The case against BJ being a fit leader continues apace. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"SKS shamed the PM and the Tory Government at PMQ’s in enacting a massive U turn on surcharges for NHS workers.
Who needs to be in power when you can change tory policy by highlighting BJ’s stupidity?
Tories better recognise that SKS is going to decimate their leadership.
No more letting them off the hook like the failure Corbyn was. Hi. Did you do any research on this.? It appears that the issue was discussed amongst various Conservative MPs and action taken to comply with their wishes. This simply proves that Boris is a listener and respects the opinions of his party members. If circumstances change there is no reason as to why you cannot change your opinion. It is difficult to see how Kier Starmer would have any influence on the decision ."
Bollocks Pat, he was convinced that the surcharge would stay. What happened a PMQ’s was a lesson in being schooled by a superior opponent.
He could have easily announced the surcharge being dropped because of the backlash, but he demonstrated the cuntish behaviour built in all tory politicians.
The veil is dropping, and lots of people are realising that this man can’t lead, he is being led. |
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"A good leader will always listen to those around them.I could see this being a thread if he had refused to but he has done the right thing yet people still want to criticize which makes me think it has nothing to do with policies just the person."
It is about the person, he praised the people he then turned his back upon possibly after he was swayed by the likes of Cummings, patel and Raab as I genuinely think he was honest in his words post coming out of icu..
So is it that he is being played by those who want to steer him away from decently treating the NHS and care staff some of whom have given their lives in this crisis or is he two faced and his words of praise were yet again more lies from him..?
Lack of judgement, empathy, foresight..? |
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Had boris known his brief when asked the question by Starmer that the figure is about £35 million pa and yes no small beer more akin to a branch off the tories magic money tree, he could have saved a u turn and looking like a bloke badly prepared (deliberate perhaps?) and come across as sensible, decent and with the country on this..
Games being played and he is not the king.. |
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"It is difficult to see how Kier Starmer would have any influence on the decision."
It's difficult for you to see, due to your blind loyalty to the right-wing establishment.
You're an unfailingly pitiful apologist for their shortcomings - collective and individual.
It's why so many people in these forums contradict and dismiss your opinion.
Like Boris, you are opposed. |
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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago
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" It is difficult to see how Kier Starmer would have any influence on the decision ."
Oh come on. If that was the case why even get to the stage where SKS could be given credit for the u-turn? Why not pre-empt that by saying “we’ve decided to do the decent thing...”.
SKS had every influence. It’s at least heartening to see someone at the despatch box who has the measure of Johnson and his corrupt cabal of crooks and careerists and won’t let them off the hook as Corbyn did. |
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So regardless of politics and on the basis of the decent thing to do.
As these overseas NHS workers are benifiting all of the UK is everyone happy to pay a little extra to cover the estimated £90M shortfall for the NHS? |
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"So regardless of politics and on the basis of the decent thing to do.
As these overseas NHS workers are benifiting all of the UK is everyone happy to pay a little extra to cover the estimated £90M shortfall for the NHS?"
Yes. As long as the likes of Amazon and Facebook are paying their share too.
When this is over I would increase tax to 22/23p at the bottom end, 40p should increase to 45p and 50p at the top. I would also increase the tax free allowance to £14k.
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"So regardless of politics and on the basis of the decent thing to do.
As these overseas NHS workers are benifiting all of the UK is everyone happy to pay a little extra to cover the estimated £90M shortfall for the NHS?"
Yes..
You? |
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"So regardless of politics and on the basis of the decent thing to do.
As these overseas NHS workers are benifiting all of the UK is everyone happy to pay a little extra to cover the estimated £90M shortfall for the NHS?"
Of course we all should. Because without them what state would the NHS be in?
That would be more than a £90M shortfall! |
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By *ik MMan
over a year ago
Lancashire |
"So regardless of politics and on the basis of the decent thing to do.
As these overseas NHS workers are benifiting all of the UK is everyone happy to pay a little extra to cover the estimated £90M shortfall for the NHS?
Yes. As long as the likes of Amazon and Facebook are paying their share too.
When this is over I would increase tax to 22/23p at the bottom end, 40p should increase to 45p and 50p at the top. I would also increase the tax free allowance to £14k.
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Why? We need to raise income not reduce it |
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"So regardless of politics and on the basis of the decent thing to do.
As these overseas NHS workers are benifiting all of the UK is everyone happy to pay a little extra to cover the estimated £90M shortfall for the NHS?
Yes. As long as the likes of Amazon and Facebook are paying their share too.
When this is over I would increase tax to 22/23p at the bottom end, 40p should increase to 45p and 50p at the top. I would also increase the tax free allowance to £14k.
Why? We need to raise income not reduce it"
Which bit don't you like? |
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By *ik MMan
over a year ago
Lancashire |
"So regardless of politics and on the basis of the decent thing to do.
As these overseas NHS workers are benifiting all of the UK is everyone happy to pay a little extra to cover the estimated £90M shortfall for the NHS?
Yes. As long as the likes of Amazon and Facebook are paying their share too.
When this is over I would increase tax to 22/23p at the bottom end, 40p should increase to 45p and 50p at the top. I would also increase the tax free allowance to £14k.
Why? We need to raise income not reduce it
Which bit don't you like? "
Your last paragraph. It’s not a case of not liking, it just won’t work. Law of diminishing returns. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"So regardless of politics and on the basis of the decent thing to do.
As these overseas NHS workers are benifiting all of the UK is everyone happy to pay a little extra to cover the estimated £90M shortfall for the NHS?
Yes. As long as the likes of Amazon and Facebook are paying their share too.
When this is over I would increase tax to 22/23p at the bottom end, 40p should increase to 45p and 50p at the top. I would also increase the tax free allowance to £14k.
Why? We need to raise income not reduce it
Which bit don't you like?
Your last paragraph. It’s not a case of not liking, it just won’t work. Law of diminishing returns. "
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"SKS shamed the PM and the Tory Government at PMQ’s in enacting a massive U turn on surcharges for NHS workers.
Who needs to be in power when you can change tory policy by highlighting BJ’s stupidity?
Tories better recognise that SKS is going to decimate their leadership.
No more letting them off the hook like the failure Corbyn was."
The phrase "U-turn" is the biggest tragedy in politics.
Changing your mind in order to do the right thing is good.
If you did it because you were incompetent and were forced to in order to follow the public mood then you are a twat who did the right thing.
BoJo was schooled.
I, personally, do not think that not charging NHS staff the fee is the right thing to do. Of you have a law and there is a good reason for it you apply it uniformly.
Police shouldn't get a rebate for the tax that goes on policing.
An NHS surcharge should be means tested. A consultant or senior engineer can absolutely afford to pay. For a cleaner or carer it's a huge part of their income.
After, say, dive years of paying tax the surcharge stops. They are here and they are contributing. |
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