A leaked document has suggested a 2 year pay freeze for all public sector employees.So the reward for stopping the country falling apart at the seams during a crises is to be even worse off.
Its almost of If johnson wasnt being totally honest when he was saying how grateful the gmnt was.
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"A leaked document has suggested a 2 year pay freeze for all public sector employees.So the reward for stopping the country falling apart at the seams during a crises is to be even worse off.
Its almost of If johnson wasnt being totally honest when he was saying how grateful the gmnt was.
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I remember seeing a sign on a red bus a few years back saying there would be an EXTRA £350 million a week but I guess the 135 billion a year its costing us is the excuse.
Why did we fall for the lies.
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"A leaked document has suggested a 2 year pay freeze for all public sector employees.So the reward for stopping the country falling apart at the seams during a crises is to be even worse off.
Its almost of If johnson wasnt being totally honest when he was saying how grateful the gmnt was.
I remember seeing a sign on a red bus a few years back saying there would be an EXTRA £350 million a week but I guess the 135 billion a year its costing us is the excuse.
Why did we fall for the lies.
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"A leaked document has suggested a 2 year pay freeze for all public sector employees.So the reward for stopping the country falling apart at the seams during a crises is to be even worse off.
Its almost of If johnson wasnt being totally honest when he was saying how grateful the gmnt was.
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It probably got leaked to see how the public react to it.
Maybe they should leak one about a 1% rise in corporation tax?
Or, maybe, they should stop fucking about and grasp the truth that the economy we used to have is gone and it won't be back.
There was plenty of talk about "levelling up" prior to the virus; hinting at a reduction in inequality. Well, Boris, now's your chance - IF you meant it. LOL |
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"A leaked document has suggested a 2 year pay freeze for all public sector employees.So the reward for stopping the country falling apart at the seams during a crises is to be even worse off.
Its almost of If johnson wasnt being totally honest when he was saying how grateful the gmnt was.
It probably got leaked to see how the public react to it.
Maybe they should leak one about a 1% rise in corporation tax?
Or, maybe, they should stop fucking about and grasp the truth that the economy we used to have is gone and it won't be back.
There was plenty of talk about "levelling up" prior to the virus; hinting at a reduction in inequality. Well, Boris, now's your chance - IF you meant it. LOL"
We know how the general public react to being shat on by the Tories.
1. Keep voting for them.
2. Hound the shit out of anyone who dares to question them.
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In the present cicumstances you would think that most people would be thankful just to retain their jobs, yet alone worry about a pay rise .
To date the public sector are immune from the financial impact of the virus .
People in the private sector will lose jobs , pensioners have already lost dividend income , weaker companies will go under and the balance sheets of stronger companies have already been substantially weakened .
It is the taxation raised from the private sector which mainly funds public services . |
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"In the present cicumstances you would think that most people would be thankful just to retain their jobs, yet alone worry about a pay rise .
To date the public sector are immune from the financial impact of the virus .
People in the private sector will lose jobs , pensioners have already lost dividend income , weaker companies will go under and the balance sheets of stronger companies have already been substantially weakened .
It is the taxation raised from the private sector which mainly funds public services . "
How about collecting tax from tax dodging corporations? Or does the Rupert Murdoch owned press not presume to suggest aug craziness? |
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"Whereas in the private sector many are having to take pay cuts or will find that they have no job to go back to."
How is this relevant?
It's not a public versus private argument.
Essential workers have kept the country falling apart at the seams and their reward..despite all the empty words is a pay cut. |
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"In the present cicumstances you would think that most people would be thankful just to retain their jobs, yet alone worry about a pay rise .
To date the public sector are immune from the financial impact of the virus .
People in the private sector will lose jobs , pensioners have already lost dividend income , weaker companies will go under and the balance sheets of stronger companies have already been substantially weakened .
It is the taxation raised from the private sector which mainly funds public services . "
Jesus wept.
And this my friends is the tory ethos in nutshell.
Be thankful you have got a job despite letting the country be overwhelmed and shut up.
Last time I looked the public sector paid tax aswell. |
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"In the present cicumstances you would think that most people would be thankful just to retain their jobs, yet alone worry about a pay rise .
To date the public sector are immune from the financial impact of the virus .
People in the private sector will lose jobs , pensioners have already lost dividend income , weaker companies will go under and the balance sheets of stronger companies have already been substantially weakened .
It is the taxation raised from the private sector which mainly funds public services . "
Exactly this 
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Whereas in the private sector many are having to take pay cuts or will find that they have no job to go back to.
How is this relevant?
It's not a public versus private argument.
Essential workers have kept the country falling apart at the seams and their reward..despite all the empty words is a pay cut."
Might be better to wait and see exactly what happens in the future first. |
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"Whereas in the private sector many are having to take pay cuts or will find that they have no job to go back to.
How is this relevant?
It's not a public versus private argument.
Essential workers have kept the country falling apart at the seams and their reward..despite all the empty words is a pay cut.
Might be better to wait and see exactly what happens in the future first. "
The idea has already been floated. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Whereas in the private sector many are having to take pay cuts or will find that they have no job to go back to.
How is this relevant?
It's not a public versus private argument.
Essential workers have kept the country falling apart at the seams and their reward..despite all the empty words is a pay cut.
Might be better to wait and see exactly what happens in the future first.
The idea has already been floated."
I would imagine that the Treasury have multiple reports about the way forward. Various scenarios, many options.
That's their job. It's what I would expect of them. |
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"Whereas in the private sector many are having to take pay cuts or will find that they have no job to go back to.
How is this relevant?
It's not a public versus private argument.
Essential workers have kept the country falling apart at the seams and their reward..despite all the empty words is a pay cut.
Might be better to wait and see exactly what happens in the future first.
The idea has already been floated.
I would imagine that the Treasury have multiple reports about the way forward. Various scenarios, many options.
That's their job. It's what I would expect of them. "
They normally 'test the water'
If I was a betting man I'd put money on this getting pushed through..with maybe a little diversionary story so its buried a bit. |
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"Whereas in the private sector many are having to take pay cuts or will find that they have no job to go back to."
Divided and conquer @ play 
A race to the bottom is not fair for the majority of citizens. The op covers the heavily invested NHS staff, many of whom may lose their lives, for your benefit |
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"In the present cicumstances you would think that most people would be thankful just to retain their jobs, yet alone worry about a pay rise .
To date the public sector are immune from the financial impact of the virus .
People in the private sector will lose jobs , pensioners have already lost dividend income , weaker companies will go under and the balance sheets of stronger companies have already been substantially weakened .
It is the taxation raised from the private sector which mainly funds public services . "
You do know that public sector employees are not tax exempt?
Nor by and large do they hide their wealth offshore to avoid paying their dues.. |
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"In the present cicumstances you would think that most people would be thankful just to retain their jobs, yet alone worry about a pay rise .
To date the public sector are immune from the financial impact of the virus .
People in the private sector will lose jobs , pensioners have already lost dividend income , weaker companies will go under and the balance sheets of stronger companies have already been substantially weakened .
It is the taxation raised from the private sector which mainly funds public services .
You do know that public sector employees are not tax exempt?
Nor by and large do they hide their wealth offshore to avoid paying their dues.. "
You would think this wouldn't need spelling out. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"Whereas in the private sector many are having to take pay cuts or will find that they have no job to go back to.
Divided and conquer @ play
A race to the bottom is not fair for the majority of citizens. The op covers the heavily invested NHS staff, many of whom may lose their lives, for your benefit "
The OP seems to cover all the staff who are working to keep the country going, not just frontline NHS. There are plenty of private sector workers who have been doing vital work and still could have their pay or hours cut or see their employers go under. |
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"In the present cicumstances you would think that most people would be thankful just to retain their jobs, yet alone worry about a pay rise .
To date the public sector are immune from the financial impact of the virus .
People in the private sector will lose jobs , pensioners have already lost dividend income , weaker companies will go under and the balance sheets of stronger companies have already been substantially weakened .
It is the taxation raised from the private sector which mainly funds public services .
You do know that public sector employees are not tax exempt?
Nor by and large do they hide their wealth offshore to avoid paying their dues..
You would think this wouldn't need spelling out."
It's the accepted norm for those who kow tow to those they see as their masters and are puzzled that others won't..
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All my life I have been self-employed and paid my taxes and I am heartily sick of hearing the private sector crap on about the public sector owing them a living. We live in a western democracy with equality of opportunity as it’s very core and yes some people want the safety net of working in the public sector but it doesn’t make their contribution to society any less important than those who claim the world would fall apart if they didn't as they like to imply pay too much tax. As an argument it is specious, selfish and downright wrong, not to mention astonishingly arrogant! |
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"All my life I have been self-employed and paid my taxes and I am heartily sick of hearing the private sector crap on about the public sector owing them a living. We live in a western democracy with equality of opportunity as it’s very core and yes some people want the safety net of working in the public sector but it doesn’t make their contribution to society any less important than those who claim the world would fall apart if they didn't as they like to imply pay too much tax. As an argument it is specious, selfish and downright wrong, not to mention astonishingly arrogant!"
The entrepreneurship of coffee shop owners and nail bar franchisees being set against the like of paediatric consultants and icu doctors etc is manna for those who seek to divide to deflect their failings..
Off you go and squabble as we further exploit you all..
And some lap it up, bit like the 'I want more scene' in Oliver.. |
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"We know how the general public react to being shat on by the Tories.
1. Keep voting for them.
2. Hound the shit out of anyone who dares to question them."
That's true in England. Up here we get the hounding and most of us ignore it by not voting Tory. Sadly, our resistance isn't relevant - or nationwide. |
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"Whereas in the private sector many are having to take pay cuts or will find that they have no job to go back to.
How is this relevant?
It's not a public versus private argument.
Essential workers have kept the country falling apart at the seams and their reward..despite all the empty words is a pay cut."
doesnt matter if public sector or private, any employee makes the choice of who to work for, if you dont like the terms and conditions move...…
go find another job or strike for better T&C's |
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"Whereas in the private sector many are having to take pay cuts or will find that they have no job to go back to.
How is this relevant?
It's not a public versus private argument.
Essential workers have kept the country falling apart at the seams and their reward..despite all the empty words is a pay cut.
doesnt matter if public sector or private, any employee makes the choice of who to work for, if you dont like the terms and conditions move...…
go find another job or strike for better T&C's"
Jesus. |
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"In the present cicumstances you would think that most people would be thankful just to retain their jobs, yet alone worry about a pay rise .
To date the public sector are immune from the financial impact of the virus .
People in the private sector will lose jobs , pensioners have already lost dividend income , weaker companies will go under and the balance sheets of stronger companies have already been substantially weakened .
It is the taxation raised from the private sector which mainly funds public services .
Jesus wept.
And this my friends is the tory ethos in nutshell.
Be thankful you have got a job despite letting the country be overwhelmed and shut up.
Last time I looked the public sector paid tax aswell."
That doesnt make any sense, so you're saying if you work in the public sector your taxes pays your wages. Sounds like the Diana Abbot school of mathematics. |
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"In the present cicumstances you would think that most people would be thankful just to retain their jobs, yet alone worry about a pay rise .
To date the public sector are immune from the financial impact of the virus .
People in the private sector will lose jobs , pensioners have already lost dividend income , weaker companies will go under and the balance sheets of stronger companies have already been substantially weakened .
It is the taxation raised from the private sector which mainly funds public services .
Jesus wept.
And this my friends is the tory ethos in nutshell.
Be thankful you have got a job despite letting the country be overwhelmed and shut up.
Last time I looked the public sector paid tax aswell.That doesnt make any sense, so you're saying if you work in the public sector your taxes pays your wages. Sounds like the Diana Abbot school of mathematics. "
People who work in the public sector pay tax via PAYE. It goes into the same pot as private sector PAYE. |
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PAYE is a drop in the ocean lucky if it's pays for GPs most come from companies (private sector) just saying. As for a pay freeze if both sectors have pay freeze inflation will stay low? |
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"In the present cicumstances you would think that most people would be thankful just to retain their jobs, yet alone worry about a pay rise .
To date the public sector are immune from the financial impact of the virus .
People in the private sector will lose jobs , pensioners have already lost dividend income , weaker companies will go under and the balance sheets of stronger companies have already been substantially weakened .
It is the taxation raised from the private sector which mainly funds public services .
Jesus wept.
And this my friends is the tory ethos in nutshell.
Be thankful you have got a job despite letting the country be overwhelmed and shut up.
Last time I looked the public sector paid tax aswell.That doesnt make any sense, so you're saying if you work in the public sector your taxes pays your wages. Sounds like the Diana Abbot school of mathematics. "
You think people in the public sector dont pay tax? |
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"PAYE is a drop in the ocean lucky if it's pays for GPs most come from companies (private sector) just saying. As for a pay freeze if both sectors have pay freeze inflation will stay low? "
Both sectors wont have a pay freeze.
Private sector covers 1000s of different jobs.You cant just lump it all under one category. |
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"PAYE is a drop in the ocean lucky if it's pays for GPs most come from companies (private sector) just saying. As for a pay freeze if both sectors have pay freeze inflation will stay low? "
I don't know how pay freezes would effect inflation.
Here are some figures for how the UK gov gets the cash in from 2018. Total £769bn
Business Rates - 30 billion
Income tax - 185 billion
National Insurance - 134 billion
Excise duties - 49 billion
Corporation tax - 55 billion
VAT - 145 billion
council tax - 34 billion
Other tax and non-tax - 137 billion
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"PAYE is a drop in the ocean lucky if it's pays for GPs most come from companies (private sector) just saying. As for a pay freeze if both sectors have pay freeze inflation will stay low?
I don't know how pay freezes would effect inflation.
Here are some figures for how the UK gov gets the cash in from 2018. Total £769bn
Business Rates - 30 billion
Income tax - 185 billion
National Insurance - 134 billion
Excise duties - 49 billion
Corporation tax - 55 billion
VAT - 145 billion
council tax - 34 billion
Other tax and non-tax - 137 billion
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I suspect the reasoning revolves around people's disposable income. If you have a pay freeze while Bill's ect increase you have less disposable income meaning you buy less. This reduces demand so prices stay roughly the same or sometimes reduce.
I am not an economist buy any stretch just my very basic understanding on how it works |
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"PAYE is a drop in the ocean lucky if it's pays for GPs most come from companies (private sector) just saying. As for a pay freeze if both sectors have pay freeze inflation will stay low?
Both sectors wont have a pay freeze.
Private sector covers 1000s of different jobs.You cant just lump it all under one category."
Public sector is also made up of 100s of different jobs, but seem to get lumped together. |
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"PAYE is a drop in the ocean lucky if it's pays for GPs most come from companies (private sector) just saying. As for a pay freeze if both sectors have pay freeze inflation will stay low?
Both sectors wont have a pay freeze.
Private sector covers 1000s of different jobs.You cant just lump it all under one category.Public sector is also made up of 100s of different jobs, but seem to get lumped together. "
Because public sector have a minimum and maximum pay scale. |
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Everybody pays tax one way or another but some people don’t understand that even if you work in the public sector you still do pay income tax and NI - in fact I think you will find that most tax avoidance or evasion is within the private sector which probably means that they could be paying a fairer share than they do  |
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