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YouGOv Poll - Keir Starmer Humilated

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

A recent 'you.gov' poll asked who should be leading the country in this time of crisis.

Boris Johnson came out on top and Keir Starmer was somewhat humiliated when "Don't Know" got more votes than he did!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A recent 'you.gov' poll asked who should be leading the country in this time of crisis.

Boris Johnson came out on top and Keir Starmer was somewhat humiliated when "Don't Know" got more votes than he did!

Its early days...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Starmer has already made Raab look useless at PMQ's. I think he is gonna school Boris.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And its Sir Keir to you OP

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"A recent 'you.gov' poll asked who should be leading the country in this time of crisis.

Boris Johnson came out on top and Keir Starmer was somewhat humiliated when "Don't Know" got more votes than he did!

Probally says more about the intelligence of those interviewed more than anything else

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Starmer has already made Raab look useless at PMQ's. I think he is gonna school Boris."

When he bothers to turn up

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

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By *hybloke67Man over a year ago

ROMFORD

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

Labour did have an Earl previously.!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

Labour did have an Earl previously.!"

Even worse

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

They all get to be a Sir afterwards...he just got his early for his work in prosecution...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

When's bliar getting his knighthood? For his important work for the 'Tony Blair institute for global change'....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A recent 'you.gov' poll asked who should be leading the country in this time of crisis.

Boris Johnson came out on top and Keir Starmer was somewhat humiliated when "Don't Know" got more votes than he did!

It's not really a surprise....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A recent 'you.gov' poll asked who should be leading the country in this time of crisis.

Boris Johnson came out on top and Keir Starmer was somewhat humiliated when "Don't Know" got more votes than he did!

Perhaps people don't know him

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By *agneto.Man over a year ago

Bham

Becoming the leader in a middle of a lockdown and pandemic doesn't really give a lot of chances for him to get himself known.

I actually think it's good there was a lot of 'don't knows', rather than humiliating. Shows people haven't yet made up their mind and aren't closed minded about him.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Becoming the leader in a middle of a lockdown and pandemic doesn't really give a lot of chances for him to get himself known.

I actually think it's good there was a lot of 'don't knows', rather than humiliating. Shows people haven't yet made up their mind and aren't closed minded about him. "

As I said ....its early days. Just wait for the fallout shortly

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

'Meet the new boss....same as the old boss! '

Roger Daltry.

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By *ty31Man over a year ago

NW London

"Starmer has already made Raab look useless at PMQ's. I think he is gonna school Boris."

To be fair, Kier Starmer is a former DPP and a successful barrister. You kind of hope that he would be good at winning arguments and performing for a crowd.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Starmer has already made Raab look useless at PMQ's. I think he is gonna school Boris.

To be fair, Kier Starmer is a former DPP and a successful barrister. You kind of hope that he would be good at winning arguments and performing for a crowd."

Boris notoriously light on detail..... shouldn't be hard

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Starmer has already made Raab look useless at PMQ's. I think he is gonna school Boris.

To be fair, Kier Starmer is a former DPP and a successful barrister. You kind of hope that he would be good at winning arguments and performing for a crowd."

He seems quite forensic if a little dry.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

Who do you think should be leading Labour then, Andy Capp? He'd probably have made a better job than Corbyn managed mind, and been more popular, but I take it that you don't believe in social mobility.

Starmer is a sir because he worked hard from humble beginnings to become the Director of Public Prosecutions and not because he bunged the Conservative party a few grand. He wasn't born into money and nor did he go to Eton. Not everyone who becomes a knight of the realm is a toff, some do actually work for it and deserve the recognition.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

Well wrote

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

Corbyn was one of the most principled politicians I've ever known and got absolutely slaughtered.

Early days for starmer yet. He is being very cagey.

Be interesting to see what Avenue the likes of the mail etc go after him.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

Yet he was part of a committee that let Jimmy Savile escape justice because there was not enough evidence?

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands

It's probably because before he was announced as the labour leader 99% of the public had no idea who he was

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

Yet he was part of a committee that let Jimmy Savile escape justice because there was not enough evidence?"

I think you will find that decision was made by another prosecutor

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

Yet he was part of a committee that let Jimmy Savile escape justice because there was not enough evidence?

I think you will find that decision was made by another prosecutor"

He also issued a review into the case after failings in the cps.

Still let's not get truth get in the way of made up bullshit.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

Yet he was part of a committee that let Jimmy Savile escape justice because there was not enough evidence?

I think you will find that decision was made by another prosecutor

He also issued a review into the case after failings in the cps.

Still let's not get truth get in the way of made up bullshit."

So he wasnt sat on the committee that day then ?

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple over a year ago

canterbury

Champagne socialist...property magnet and above all a good old chap ....think he sees Labour as a little project to keep Boris in power

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"A recent 'you.gov' poll asked who should be leading the country in this time of crisis.

Boris Johnson came out on top and Keir Starmer was somewhat humiliated when "Don't Know" got more votes than he did!

Probally says more about the intelligence of those interviewed more than anything else

So if you don't vote labour you are Probably not very intelligent then. Might be a bit of a message there for labour to grasp. Arrogance is not a very appealing in a political party."

I don't vote SNP but I know who the leader is.

Its nothing about arrogance.Its about having half an idea about what's happening in the world.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A recent 'you.gov' poll asked who should be leading the country in this time of crisis.

Boris Johnson came out on top and Keir Starmer was somewhat humiliated when "Don't Know" got more votes than he did!

Probally says more about the intelligence of those interviewed more than anything else"

So if you don't vote labour you are Probably not very intelligent then. Might be a bit of a message there for labour to grasp. Arrogance and a condescending attitude is not very appealing in a political party.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

Yet he was part of a committee that let Jimmy Savile escape justice because there was not enough evidence?

I think you will find that decision was made by another prosecutor

He also issued a review into the case after failings in the cps.

Still let's not get truth get in the way of made up bullshit.

So he wasnt sat on the committee that day then ?"

Another prosecutor made that decision.

If he did why did he then launch an invetigation?

Classic daily mail smear campaign

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By *hamesGentMan over a year ago

Oxfordshire / Sussex

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By *ireman28Man over a year ago

Derbyshire Nottinghamshire

Johnson isn't fit to run a bath. A national disgrace!

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By *hamesGentMan over a year ago

Oxfordshire / Sussex

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

Good point. His father was a toolmaker, his mother a nurse. Hardly strikes me as privileged.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

Yet he was part of a committee that let Jimmy Savile escape justice because there was not enough evidence?

I think you will find that decision was made by another prosecutor

He also issued a review into the case after failings in the cps.

Still let's not get truth get in the way of made up bullshit.

So he wasnt sat on the committee that day then ?

Another prosecutor made that decision.

If he did why did he then launch an invetigation?

Classic daily mail smear campaign"

Bullshit.

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By *ost SockMan over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

Well said. Father was a toolmaker I believe (there’s scope for a joke there).

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

Yet he was part of a committee that let Jimmy Savile escape justice because there was not enough evidence?

I think you will find that decision was made by another prosecutor

He also issued a review into the case after failings in the cps.

Still let's not get truth get in the way of made up bullshit.

So he wasnt sat on the committee that day then ?

Another prosecutor made that decision.

If he did why did he then launch an invetigation?

Classic daily mail smear campaign

Bullshit."

Well I'm convinced.

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By *rHotNottsMan over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Surely that was predictable , in a crisis vulnerable people are often scared , when the vulnerable are scared they hang on to what they know , a bit like domestic abuse.

Boris is your abusive husband and you’re scared and vulnerable

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

Yet he was part of a committee that let Jimmy Savile escape justice because there was not enough evidence?

I think you will find that decision was made by another prosecutor

He also issued a review into the case after failings in the cps.

Still let's not get truth get in the way of made up bullshit.

So he wasnt sat on the committee that day then ?

Another prosecutor made that decision.

If he did why did he then launch an invetigation?

Classic daily mail smear campaign

Bullshit.

Well I'm convinced."

I am not going to argue with someone who would swear down that the black cat is a white cat.

He was on the committee who said there was not enough evidence.

He wasnt the spokesman but he was on it.

End off.

Wont be commenting on this topic again.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

Yet he was part of a committee that let Jimmy Savile escape justice because there was not enough evidence?

I think you will find that decision was made by another prosecutor

He also issued a review into the case after failings in the cps.

Still let's not get truth get in the way of made up bullshit.

So he wasnt sat on the committee that day then ?

Another prosecutor made that decision.

If he did why did he then launch an invetigation?

Classic daily mail smear campaign

Bullshit.

Well I'm convinced.

I am not going to argue with someone who would swear down that the black cat is a white cat.

He was on the committee who said there was not enough evidence.

He wasnt the spokesman but he was on it.

End off.

Wont be commenting on this topic again."

Never mind.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

YouGov is owned & run by a Tory. It is biased towards tbe Tories but done in quite a clever way. I used to be on it. They gradually, by asking you questions, work out where your polirical sympathies lie. If you tend towards being more left you get screened out of these type of polls & don't get to take part in them. I left eventually after I could claim my money for doing surveys. YouGov political surveys are pretty worthless & designed to mislead & promote a Tory agenda.

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By *L RogueMan over a year ago

London

"A recent 'you.gov' poll asked who should be leading the country in this time of crisis.

Boris Johnson came out on top and Keir Starmer was somewhat humiliated when "Don't Know" got more votes than he did!

Probally says more about the intelligence of those interviewed more than anything else"

This!

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"YouGov is owned & run by a Tory. It is biased towards tbe Tories but done in quite a clever way. I used to be on it. They gradually, by asking you questions, work out where your polirical sympathies lie. If you tend towards being more left you get screened out of these type of polls & don't get to take part in them. I left eventually after I could claim my money for doing surveys. YouGov political surveys are pretty worthless & designed to mislead & promote a Tory agenda."

Arent they supposed to be independent?

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By *van ArdenMan over a year ago

Coleford, Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire.

Sorry to have to say so but such absolute incompetence on an industrial scale will lead to the demise of the Cuntservatives and Boris 'call me Winston' the Buffoon.

They're finished

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By *rHotNottsMan over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Yes they always do that use names that make you think they are independent. I dealt with that awful company of Jeremy hunts a while back , they used the exact same tactics when taking money from the department of education into his own pockets

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

You understand what he did to be awarded it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

At this moment in time nobody should be looking to score political points.Starmer would be a lot more attractive to us if he stopped doing it

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

What's the source of this? It sounds like opinionated commentary that is being parroted.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"At this moment in time nobody should be looking to score political points.Starmer would be a lot more attractive to us if he stopped doing it"

He should stop doing his job?

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By *oggoneMan over a year ago

Derry

The topic isn't pertinent to the virus section and using it in such a manner is shameful beyond expression.

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By *L RogueMan over a year ago

London

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

Yet he was part of a committee that let Jimmy Savile escape justice because there was not enough evidence?

I think you will find that decision was made by another prosecutor

He also issued a review into the case after failings in the cps.

Still let's not get truth get in the way of made up bullshit.

So he wasnt sat on the committee that day then ?

Another prosecutor made that decision.

If he did why did he then launch an invetigation?

Classic daily mail smear campaign

Bullshit.

Well I'm convinced.

I am not going to argue with someone who would swear down that the black cat is a white cat.

He was on the committee who said there was not enough evidence.

He wasnt the spokesman but he was on it.

End off.

Wont be commenting on this topic again.

Never mind."

Damn. When you hear/read one story and take it as complete gospel!

Maybe the lack of evidence was also due to cover ups at the time?

Sorry, back to the OP.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"At this moment in time nobody should be looking to score political points.Starmer would be a lot more attractive to us if he stopped doing it"

I don't know what point scoring you have seen in your desires to be bigger labour supporters. He's attended 2 Prime Ministers question times, held weekly.

Not that I think it's happening much anywhere but if observation and feedback is silenced at the most pertinent moment, when things are occurring and thus immediately could be improved on, it is largely bereft of responsible duty. And when it may concern stopping avoidable deaths, it would be morally bankrupt of someone to remain silent. There are intelligent, mature ways to collaborate that don't involve the less mature 'point scoring' that is about ego. Look at how people have lived their lives, whether they have been giving to and serving others or have been more towards the type that seeks to take attention, glory, fame etc. You'll often notice people at different points on that continuum who are in public office.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"At this moment in time nobody should be looking to score political points.Starmer would be a lot more attractive to us if he stopped doing it"

It's called an 'opposition' it's there so a government can be called out when it's making a hash of it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

Yet he was part of a committee that let Jimmy Savile escape justice because there was not enough evidence?"

No he wasn't, that's simply another right wing smear campaign.

"It's important to understand how the CPS works. It is not a "top down" body in which all decisions are made by the Director of Public Prosecutions. Individual cases are considered by a reviewing lawyer. The lawyer will belong to one of 14 regional teams, each headed up by its own crown prosecutor with responsiblity for prosecuting cases locally. It would be very unusual indeed for the DPP to take an active role in decisions of when or when not to prosecute; the DPP's role is one of providing broader leadership rather than one of micromanagement".

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

Yet he was part of a committee that let Jimmy Savile escape justice because there was not enough evidence?

No he wasn't, that's simply another right wing smear campaign.

Imagine your job being go and make up shit about someone in the public eye and this is what you dredge up?

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

Bit early to judge sir Keir especially given the circumstances.

I guess it will depend on his policies and if he moves away from the past.

He speaks extremely well which given his background I guess he should.

I am encouraged he is not opposing just for the sake of it and has openly supported the government in this crisis and pushed them where he can

Although I am on the opposite side of the political fence I believe a strong opposition is very important

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Bit early to judge sir Keir especially given the circumstances.

I guess it will depend on his policies and if he moves away from the past.

He speaks extremely well which given his background I guess he should.

I am encouraged he is not opposing just for the sake of it and has openly supported the government in this crisis and pushed them where he can

Although I am on the opposite side of the political fence I believe a strong opposition is very important"

He has got a tough balancing act.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"A recent 'you.gov' poll asked who should be leading the country in this time of crisis.

Boris Johnson came out on top and Keir Starmer was somewhat humiliated when "Don't Know" got more votes than he did!

not really... Johnson has a much higher profile and was a more known commodity in general circles that starmer is.... so at this point you may not know so much about him, as much as us "politics geeks" do...

and that is going to be the next challenge for him... to raise his profile to get better know....

the last 2 PMQ's have been a good start, the brief for him know is he has 4 years to do that, and the most he has hold the governments feet to the fire when it needs to be done and show they can be a competant opposition... he will get there!

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By *eavenNhellCouple over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

Yet he was part of a committee that let Jimmy Savile escape justice because there was not enough evidence?"
is that the same jimmy saville that was a very active tory supporter promoter fundraiser and friend of thatcher and her cabinet ? guess tory central and the daily fail will stay quiet about that

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By *onny and clydeCouple over a year ago

Sheffield yorkshire

Starting this stupid thread explains precisely the mess and delusion this country is in!

Cut £billion from nhs regarded as a coup.

Cut social care budget by11%.

Increased homeless.

Working people forced to use universal credit.

Windrush,grenfell

And now this nightmare lockdown ruined economy.

Meanwhile you have a go at keir starmer?

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By *onny and clydeCouple over a year ago

Sheffield yorkshire

Starting this stupid thread explains precisely the mess and delusion this country is in!

Cut £billion from nhs regarded as a coup.

Cut social care budget by11%.

Increased homeless.

Working people forced to use universal credit.

Windrush,grenfell

And now this nightmare lockdown ruined economy.

Meanwhile you have a go at keir starmer?

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By *ittleAcornMan over a year ago

visiting the beach

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

Yet he was part of a committee that let Jimmy Savile escape justice because there was not enough evidence?

No he wasn't, that's simply another right wing smear campaign.

Imagine your job being go and make up shit about someone in the public eye and this is what you dredge up?

It's very interesting to look at the timelines. Saville was apparently abusing people most of his adult life. Starmer was DPP for the last 4 years of Saville's life, during which time there was one interview (not arrest) of Saville.

...and yet parts of the media and the right are seemingly trying to blame Starmer for everything Saville did!

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

Yet he was part of a committee that let Jimmy Savile escape justice because there was not enough evidence?

No he wasn't, that's simply another right wing smear campaign.

Imagine your job being go and make up shit about someone in the public eye and this is what you dredge up?

...and yet parts of the media and the right are seemingly trying to blame Starmer for everything Saville did!"

Its the best they can dig him on up and it shows the utter hypocrisy of the likes of the mail,when it tries to position itself as a middle class paper whereas it belongs in the sewer.

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By *ete1260Man over a year ago

Evesham

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

Yet he was part of a committee that let Jimmy Savile escape justice because there was not enough evidence?

I think you will find that decision was made by another prosecutor"
Was he not the TOP man at the CPS ? Where does the buck stop ?

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By *ete1260Man over a year ago

Evesham

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

Well said. Father was a toolmaker I believe (there’s scope for a joke there)."
A toolmaker is very, very highly skilled and normally reasonably well paid - credit where it is due.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

Well said. Father was a toolmaker I believe (there’s scope for a joke there). A toolmaker is very, very highly skilled and normally reasonably well paid - credit where it is due. "

Very true, but you won't find many toolmakers sons in private education, and I very much doubt if any have ever been a pupil at Eton college.

Toolmaking, however skilled it may be, is still regarded as a working class 'blue collar' occupation, and as such is looked down upon by most 'white collar' workers. To the posh Tory boys they are scum I'm afraid.

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

Well said. Father was a toolmaker I believe (there’s scope for a joke there). A toolmaker is very, very highly skilled and normally reasonably well paid - credit where it is due.

Very true, but you won't find many toolmakers sons in private education, and I very much doubt if any have ever been a pupil at Eton college.

Really? I'm a skilled toolmaker, apprenticed and 40 years in the industry now. I'm also a Conservative.

I make a living that most on here can only dream about. I'm always turning work away, just to keep my hours down.

Toolmakers use analytical thinking and common sense. Both are sadly lacking on here at times.

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By *ittleAcornMan over a year ago

visiting the beach

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

Yet he was part of a committee that let Jimmy Savile escape justice because there was not enough evidence?

I think you will find that decision was made by another prosecutor Was he not the TOP man at the CPS ? Where does the buck stop ? "

So were a lot of other people over those years when things were actually getting reported, and ignored.

To my eyes, he was never presented with anything, let alone anything solid to act on.

When things then came to light, he instigated a report, and apologised for the historical poor performance of the service.

Let's face it, the blame really lies with the people working alongside Saville all those years.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

Yet he was part of a committee that let Jimmy Savile escape justice because there was not enough evidence?

I think you will find that decision was made by another prosecutor Was he not the TOP man at the CPS ? Where does the buck stop ? "

It appears there were mistakes made all the way through..The police,lawyers etc

Blaming 1 man (who coincidentally has just become opposition leader)is your typical daily mail hatchet job.

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

I've always said that the next leader will be Kier Starmer. How he now performs, will see if he will become the next Labour PM.

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By *V-AliceTV/TS over a year ago

Ayr

"A recent 'you.gov' poll asked who should be leading the country in this time of crisis.

Boris Johnson came out on top and Keir Starmer was somewhat humiliated when "Don't Know" got more votes than he did!

I doubt very much that he feels humiliated - or even humilated. Pretty sure he doesn't give a fuck about the Daily Fail or anything written in it.

In that way, he's like the majority of people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A 'sir' leading the labour party, you couldn't make it up

Well said. Father was a toolmaker I believe (there’s scope for a joke there). A toolmaker is very, very highly skilled and normally reasonably well paid - credit where it is due.

Very true, but you won't find many toolmakers sons in private education, and I very much doubt if any have ever been a pupil at Eton college.

Really? I'm a skilled toolmaker, apprenticed and 40 years in the industry now. I'm also a Conservative.

I make a living that most on here can only dream about. I'm always turning work away, just to keep my hours down.

Toolmakers use analytical thinking and common sense. Both are sadly lacking on here at times. "

Good for you, but most people use analytical thinking in their work and common sense is something almost everyone possesses to a degree. I'm sure you do make a very good living for yourself, but it will still be a pittance compared to your average cabinet minister. I'm not knocking tradespeople btw, they are a vital part of the economy, but to people like Boris Johnson they are an irrelevance and part of the lower orders or 'plebs', just like nurses and careworkers...until election time or a pandemic that is.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So a tory owned survey company puts out a smear that Keir Starmer is less popular than Dont Know! Ffs get a grip you saddo!

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By *andlingswingersCouple over a year ago

Woodbridge

"'Meet the new boss....same as the old boss! '

Roger Daltry. "

Nobody could be quite the same as Magic Grandad. Nor as unelectable.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"'Meet the new boss....same as the old boss! '

Roger Daltry.

Nobody could be quite the same as Magic Grandad. Nor as unelectable."

Yet Teresa may could only form a minority gmnt against him and had to be propped up by bigots.

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By *ony 2016Man over a year ago

Huddersfield /derby cinemas

"'Meet the new boss....same as the old boss! '

Roger Daltry.

Nobody could be quite the same as Magic Grandad. Nor as unelectable.

Yet Teresa may could only form a minority gmnt against him and had to be propped up by bigots.

"
. The Conservative government obtained the help of the D.U.P. by using tax payers cash from the magic money tree , which , during the election campaign they had said wasn't there

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A recent 'you.gov' poll asked who should be leading the country in this time of crisis.

Boris Johnson came out on top and Keir Starmer was somewhat humiliated when "Don't Know" got more votes than he did!

Probally says more about the intelligence of those interviewed more than anything else

So if you don't vote labour you are Probably not very intelligent then. Might be a bit of a message there for labour to grasp. Arrogance is not a very appealing in a political party.

I don't vote SNP but I know who the leader is.

Its nothing about arrogance.Its about having half an idea about what's happening in the world."

He was also in shadow cabinet and very much in public gaze as the Brexit spokesman for Labour. The deliberate mixed messages he was giving on this (trying to keep both sides on side and failing both ways) did not really endear him to many. Very few people will not know who he was...but just as he seemed unsure which way to go on that issue, people will be unsure about him.

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By *andy 1Couple over a year ago

northeast

y dont u all take a couple of weeks out of polatics u all sound stressed out get a life

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"y dont u all take a couple of weeks out of polatics u all sound stressed out get a life

I agree, if only we could all take a leaf out of Boris Johnson book and fuck off to the countryside retreat for a couple of weeks, oh no only essential travel allowed

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By *ercuryMan over a year ago

Grantham

Johnson v Starmer at PMQs today.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Johnson v Starmer at PMQs today. "

I'm imagining a yawn fest...

But lets see.

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By *ittleAcornMan over a year ago

visiting the beach

"Johnson v Starmer at PMQs today. "

That's sort of the problem with our system of government. Too combative.

The media, and us, bill it as "vs" event, when in reality it should simply be viewed as an opportunity to get some clarity on what the Government is doing.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Johnson v Starmer at PMQs today.

That's sort of the problem with our system of government. Too combative.

The media, and us, bill it as "vs" event, when in reality it should simply be viewed as an opportunity to get some clarity on what the Government is doing."

Its the tradition of politics here isnt it?

All that circus in the house of commons is pathetic..I think the Scottish parliament is quite different.

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"Johnson v Starmer at PMQs today.

That's sort of the problem with our system of government. Too combative.

The media, and us, bill it as "vs" event, when in reality it should simply be viewed as an opportunity to get some clarity on what the Government is doing.

Its the tradition of politics here isnt it?

All that circus in the house of commons is pathetic..I think the Scottish parliament is quite different."

It's on now and totally different to the theatre we are used to. It seems to work and questions / answers are not being drowned out by jeering

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Starmer is very good with the questions. Boris is a bit rabbit in headlights....

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"Starmer is very good with the questions. Boris is a bit rabbit in headlights...."

Very much showing his legal background - impressed

Boris is Boris and has his own style that often is effective

If T. May was PM still I think sir Kierkegaard would have a field day

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By *uninlondon69Man over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

When Johnson doesn't have an audience he's powerless. His waffle and bullshit doesn't get lost in the noise.

He didn't like having his daily slideshow used against him!

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

Starmer did a good job today. He's much, much more intelligent than Corbyn, and this shows already.

Unfortunately a lot of people won't care even if he gets the best of Boris every week.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Just read he was involved in prosecuting journalists in the phone hacking scandal

Wonder if that will make it into the mail?

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By *L RogueMan over a year ago

London

"Starmer did a good job today. He's much, much more intelligent than Corbyn, and this shows already.

Unfortunately a lot of people won't care even if he gets the best of Boris every week. "

Corbyn is intelligent. Like you pointed out, people didn't care and he was ridiculed and demonised on all sides. The leaked report is damning! It's clear that Starmer is very much a statesman and will batter Johnson at PMQs but his real test will be how to get the best out of a divided labour party and keep the supporters on side.

Only time will tell...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A recent 'you.gov' poll asked who should be leading the country in this time of crisis.

Boris Johnson came out on top and Keir Starmer was somewhat humiliated when "Don't Know" got more votes than he did!

I think anyone using this stupid yougov poll to try and supposedly humiliate Starmer just ends up humiliating themselves

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"A recent 'you.gov' poll asked who should be leading the country in this time of crisis.

Boris Johnson came out on top and Keir Starmer was somewhat humiliated when "Don't Know" got more votes than he did!

I think anyone using this stupid yougov poll to try and supposedly humiliate Starmer just ends up humiliating themselves

Just this poll or all you've polls?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A recent 'you.gov' poll asked who should be leading the country in this time of crisis.

Boris Johnson came out on top and Keir Starmer was somewhat humiliated when "Don't Know" got more votes than he did!

"
An interesting poll. It is worth noting that a few posters questioning the validity of the poll are unable to provide any evidence to contradicate the result.

Karmer is just another also ran. We will know the public's opinion of him in 5 years time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A recent 'you.gov' poll asked who should be leading the country in this time of crisis.

Boris Johnson came out on top and Keir Starmer was somewhat humiliated when "Don't Know" got more votes than he did!

An interesting poll. It is worth noting that a few posters questioning the validity of the poll are unable to provide any evidence to contradicate the result.

Karmer is just another also ran. We will know the public's opinion of him in 5 years time. "

You didn't watch PMq's I take it?

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

I have 13 years professional experience of (thankfully) working with QCs. They can smell bullshit and bluster a mile away. You go up against someone like Starmer without knowing your product then you are going get eviscerated and your balls nailed to the despatch box.

Watch his stock rise and then do another poll and see what happens.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A recent 'you.gov' poll asked who should be leading the country in this time of crisis.

Boris Johnson came out on top and Keir Starmer was somewhat humiliated when "Don't Know" got more votes than he did!

An interesting poll. It is worth noting that a few posters questioning the validity of the poll are unable to provide any evidence to contradicate the result.

Karmer is just another also ran. We will know the public's opinion of him in 5 years time. "

Yes we will won't we, and don't bank on Boris coming out on top. He may be riding high in the polls now, but he's presiding over a cabinet of incompetents who have to deal with the fallout from this pandemic, whilst trying to mitigate the effects of a hard Brexit at the same time.

Scotland and Northern Ireland will have both left the union by then anyway, so you lot are on your own.

A week is a long time in politics, five years is an eternity.

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By *ornLordMan over a year ago

Wiltshire and London

"I have 13 years professional experience of (thankfully) working with QCs. They can smell bullshit and bluster a mile away. You go up against someone like Starmer without knowing your product then you are going get eviscerated and your balls nailed to the despatch box.

Watch his stock rise and then do another poll and see what happens. "

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By *ornLordMan over a year ago

Wiltshire and London

"A recent 'you.gov' poll asked who should be leading the country in this time of crisis.

Boris Johnson came out on top and Keir Starmer was somewhat humiliated when "Don't Know" got more votes than he did!

Probally says more about the intelligence of those interviewed more than anything else"

As usual!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So you don't think it's anything to do with a condescending, arrogant, holier than though attitude that labour has developed the mantra of, one which people could totally see through.

I think what pisses off most people about labour is how clever they think they all are and that we are all very very thick. I see it so much and it's laughable. Until you stop saying we are thick for not voting for you you will be in opposition for ever. Calling your electorate thick is not endearing at all I'm afraid.

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By *ornLordMan over a year ago

Wiltshire and London

"So you don't think it's anything to do with a condescending, arrogant, holier than though attitude that labour has developed the mantra of, one which people could totally see through.

Not clever; far cleverer to exploit that thickness.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"So you don't think it's anything to do with a condescending, arrogant, holier than though attitude that labour has developed the mantra of, one which people could totally see through.

You dont think public school boys from Eton have a degree of arrogance?

Have they actually said people who didnt vote for them are thick?

I think it's fair to say plenty who got interviewed on Brexit day wont be troubling mensa any time soon.

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

Gentlemen

Calling people thick or any other names is not nice either here or anywhere

Observe Sir Kier in parliament how he gets his point of view across without insulting anyone and very effectively

From what I observed on things like the last election and the referendum when one side questioned the intelligence of people who held the opposite view to them it lost them ground

Any chance of saying your point without insulting others please

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Gentlemen

Calling people thick or any other names is not nice either here or anywhere

Observe Sir Kier in parliament how he gets his point of view across without insulting anyone and very effectively

From what I observed on things like the last election and the referendum when one side questioned the intelligence of people who held the opposite view to them it lost them ground

Any chance of saying your point without insulting others please"

This..

At times when passions are high on a subject its easy to slip into playing the person and a lot of us have done that but it dilutes any point we are trying to make..

Well said..

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

"Gentlemen

Calling people thick or any other names is not nice either here or anywhere

Observe Sir Kier in parliament how he gets his point of view across without insulting anyone and very effectively

From what I observed on things like the last election and the referendum when one side questioned the intelligence of people who held the opposite view to them it lost them ground

Any chance of saying your point without insulting others please"

Calling people thick and dismissing their concerns is what got us in this mess in the first place.

Less division needed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A recent 'you.gov' poll asked who should be leading the country in this time of crisis.

Boris Johnson came out on top and Keir Starmer was somewhat humiliated when "Don't Know" got more votes than he did!

An interesting poll. It is worth noting that a few posters questioning the validity of the poll are unable to provide any evidence to contradicate the result.

Karmer is just another also ran. We will know the public's opinion of him in 5 years time. "

An also ran? He is a knight of the realm through his own hard work and diligence and you are what....a blowhard who has to copy and paste your posts from the daily fail....come on Pat, even you know that your received opinion doesn’t add up to much....tbh it makes you look a bit silly and desperate

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A recent 'you.gov' poll asked who should be leading the country in this time of crisis.

Boris Johnson came out on top and Keir Starmer was somewhat humiliated when "Don't Know" got more votes than he did!

An interesting poll. It is worth noting that a few posters questioning the validity of the poll are unable to provide any evidence to contradicate the result.

Karmer is just another also ran. We will know the public's opinion of him in 5 years time.

"
. Being a knight of the realm has hardly helped him in the poll referred to. Unless you can prove that the sample selection process for the poll is biased I am happy to accept the result as being valid . It sounds like you did not like the result of the poll.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"A recent 'you.gov' poll asked who should be leading the country in this time of crisis.

Boris Johnson came out on top and Keir Starmer was somewhat humiliated when "Don't Know" got more votes than he did!

An interesting poll. It is worth noting that a few posters questioning the validity of the poll are unable to provide any evidence to contradicate the result.

Karmer is just another also ran. We will know the public's opinion of him in 5 years time.

. Being a knight of the realm has hardly helped him in the poll referred to. Unless you can prove that the sample selection process for the poll is biased I am happy to accept the result as being valid . It sounds like you did not like the result of the poll. "

Does the poll have any,you know,significance?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A recent 'you.gov' poll asked who should be leading the country in this time of crisis.

Boris Johnson came out on top and Keir Starmer was somewhat humiliated when "Don't Know" got more votes than he did!

An interesting poll. It is worth noting that a few posters questioning the validity of the poll are unable to provide any evidence to contradicate the result.

Karmer is just another also ran. We will know the public's opinion of him in 5 years time.

No tbh I am giving him the benefit of the doubt whereas I find your posts just a bit one sided - also yougov are a tory owned and sympathising company and have a history of choosing the people they poll the opinions of from a limited and self confirming demographic much as the Daily Fail does too

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"A recent 'you.gov' poll asked who should be leading the country in this time of crisis.

Boris Johnson came out on top and Keir Starmer was somewhat humiliated when "Don't Know" got more votes than he did!

An interesting poll. It is worth noting that a few posters questioning the validity of the poll are unable to provide any evidence to contradicate the result.

Karmer is just another also ran. We will know the public's opinion of him in 5 years time.

Are we always to ignore the you gov poll results

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By *uninlondon69Man over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

"Are we always to ignore the you gov poll results"

I'd say no but take them with a pinch of salt. Poll results are also dependent on the wording of the question.

Also, a poll by a right wing organisation when the ONLY news is the virus being managed by a right wing government?

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By *ireman28Man over a year ago

Derbyshire Nottinghamshire

He gained his knighthood through hard work. Johnson (related to George III) has had everything handed to him on a plate and not done a decent days work in his life. He as head of the government is accountable for this debacle. He needs to quit!

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"Are we always to ignore the you gov poll results

I'd say no but take them with a pinch of salt. Poll results are also dependent on the wording of the question.

Also, a poll by a right wing organisation when the ONLY news is the virus being managed by a right wing government? "

Totally agree the wording is important.

I would be interested in the reaction if the results had been the reverse

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Are we always to ignore the you gov poll results

I'd say no but take them with a pinch of salt. Poll results are also dependent on the wording of the question.

Also, a poll by a right wing organisation when the ONLY news is the virus being managed by a right wing government?

Totally agree the wording is important.

I would be interested in the reaction if the results had been the reverse"

You have got to look at the source of the polls etc.

Even the election ones are more often than not inaccurate.

The coming months will give us an indication of the sort of leader he is.

He is already getting some nonsense made up about him so he must have made an impression.

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"Are we always to ignore the you gov poll results

I'd say no but take them with a pinch of salt. Poll results are also dependent on the wording of the question.

Also, a poll by a right wing organisation when the ONLY news is the virus being managed by a right wing government?

Totally agree the wording is important.

I would be interested in the reaction if the results had been the reverse

You have got to look at the source of the polls etc.

Even the election ones are more often than not inaccurate.

The coming months will give us an indication of the sort of leader he is.

He is already getting some nonsense made up about him so he must have made an impression."

Can anyone suggest an impartial pollster

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are we always to ignore the you gov poll results

I'd say no but take them with a pinch of salt. Poll results are also dependent on the wording of the question.

Also, a poll by a right wing organisation when the ONLY news is the virus being managed by a right wing government?

Totally agree the wording is important.

I would be interested in the reaction if the results had been the reverse

You have got to look at the source of the polls etc.

Even the election ones are more often than not inaccurate.

The coming months will give us an indication of the sort of leader he is.

He is already getting some nonsense made up about him so he must have made an impression.

Can anyone suggest an impartial pollster

Thats always a good question - blind faith in any poll is a rather foolish idea imho

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"Are we always to ignore the you gov poll results

I'd say no but take them with a pinch of salt. Poll results are also dependent on the wording of the question.

Also, a poll by a right wing organisation when the ONLY news is the virus being managed by a right wing government?

Totally agree the wording is important.

I would be interested in the reaction if the results had been the reverse

You have got to look at the source of the polls etc.

Even the election ones are more often than not inaccurate.

The coming months will give us an indication of the sort of leader he is.

He is already getting some nonsense made up about him so he must have made an impression.

Can anyone suggest an impartial pollster

Thats always a good question - blind faith in any poll is a rather foolish idea imho

That's true

Often the trouble seems that people pick and choose by the results

If the result is not in line with what they believe its dismissed

If the result agrees with what they believe they sing its praises

Kind of makes them all null and void

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By *andlingswingersCouple over a year ago

Woodbridge

"...think he sees Labour as a little project to keep Boris in power"

That was Jeremy Corbyn.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"A recent 'you.gov' poll asked who should be leading the country in this time of crisis.

Boris Johnson came out on top and Keir Starmer was somewhat humiliated when "Don't Know" got more votes than he did!

2 weeks on and KS has a higher rating than BJ. Any thoughts OP?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A recent 'you.gov' poll asked who should be leading the country in this time of crisis.

Boris Johnson came out on top and Keir Starmer was somewhat humiliated when "Don't Know" got more votes than he did!

2 weeks on and KS has a higher rating than BJ. Any thoughts OP?

The op seems to have slinked away, bit like his hero bj no answers.

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By *kstallionMan over a year ago

milton keynes

"A recent 'you.gov' poll asked who should be leading the country in this time of crisis.

Boris Johnson came out on top and Keir Starmer was somewhat humiliated when "Don't Know" got more votes than he did!

2 weeks on and KS has a higher rating than BJ. Any thoughts OP?

Good to hear he is doing well but do we now take notice of this poll or dismiss it as right wing rubbish and insult those taking part like posts in this thread

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A recent 'you.gov' poll asked who should be leading the country in this time of crisis.

Boris Johnson came out on top and Keir Starmer was somewhat humiliated when "Don't Know" got more votes than he did!

2 weeks on and KS has a higher rating than BJ. Any thoughts OP?

Good to hear he is doing well but do we now take notice of this poll or dismiss it as right wing rubbish and insult those taking part like posts in this thread"

I think the whole country can see starmer is the master, bj's nemesis.

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By *kstallionMan over a year ago

milton keynes

"A recent 'you.gov' poll asked who should be leading the country in this time of crisis.

Boris Johnson came out on top and Keir Starmer was somewhat humiliated when "Don't Know" got more votes than he did!

2 weeks on and KS has a higher rating than BJ. Any thoughts OP?

Good to hear he is doing well but do we now take notice of this poll or dismiss it as right wing rubbish and insult those taking part like posts in this thread

I think the whole country can see starmer is the master, bj's nemesis.

for sure the strongest Labour leader for a while

shame many of the posts on this thread say we should disregard these polls though - just when he was doing well

or now he is doing well can we beleive them again

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

He worries them, hence the attacks and smears will ramp up as they can see he has the measure of Boris..

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By *kstallionMan over a year ago

milton keynes

"He worries them, hence the attacks and smears will ramp up as they can see he has the measure of Boris..

Indeed

It's good we can take notice of polls again

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He worries them, hence the attacks and smears will ramp up as they can see he has the measure of Boris..

Indeed

It's good we can take notice of polls again"

Well you certainly are lol.

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By *kstallionMan over a year ago

milton keynes

"He worries them, hence the attacks and smears will ramp up as they can see he has the measure of Boris..

Indeed

It's good we can take notice of polls again

Well you certainly are lol."

Just ironic that before it was dismissed as right wing rubbish and must be problems with people's intelligence now no such problems yipeee

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He worries them, hence the attacks and smears will ramp up as they can see he has the measure of Boris..

Indeed

It's good we can take notice of polls again

Well you certainly are lol.

Just ironic that before it was dismissed as right wing rubbish and must be problems with people's intelligence now no such problems yipeee"

Are you saying the tory YouGov poll organisation is not independent ?

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By *kstallionMan over a year ago

milton keynes

"He worries them, hence the attacks and smears will ramp up as they can see he has the measure of Boris..

Indeed

It's good we can take notice of polls again

Well you certainly are lol.

Just ironic that before it was dismissed as right wing rubbish and must be problems with people's intelligence now no such problems yipeee

Are you saying the tory YouGov poll organisation is not independent ?"

Was not me saying it but If you look further up this thread you will see that said and also more intelligence insults as per usual

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

To date Starmer has not indicated what he has to offer the country. As this stage he is simply a barrister who is potentially a multi millionaire and is knighted . He has no notable achievement at the CPS and appears to have done a very poor job in a number of cases.

What most voters want is results, not someone who just asks questions.

There is only one poll that matters and that was the one held on December 12 th last year.

We will have another in four years time . The crucial thing is to pull votes in four years time. Popularity will rise and fall in the years in between.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What most voters want is results, not someone who just asks questions. "

I disagree. I think most people would be surprised if the leader of the opposition started to get "results" on any of the issues.

As leader of the opposition, it is his role to challange and scrutinise the government. Not take the reigns and get results.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Well boris is certainly getting results

Highest death toll in europe

Morale at nhs rock bottom

Lying on a daily basis.

Avoiding TV shows where they are held to account.

Go team boris

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By *hamesGentMan over a year ago

Oxfordshire / Sussex

"Well boris is certainly getting results

Highest death toll in europe

Morale at nhs rock bottom

Lying on a daily basis.

Avoiding TV shows where they are held to account.

Go team boris

Let's not forget missing five COBRA meetings in February and March, not instigating a testing programme when the WHO was shouting TEST, TEST, TEST, boasting of shaking hands with Coronavirus patients while his scientific advisers were advising the public not to shake hands with anyone, discharging patients from hospitals to clear beds, then sending them back to their care homes without testing them for COVID-19, thus contributing to the epidemic within care homes.

He certainly is getting results...

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By *hamesGentMan over a year ago

Oxfordshire / Sussex

What most voters want is results, not someone who just asks questions.

I disagree. I think most people would be surprised if the leader of the opposition started to get "results" on any of the issues.

As leader of the opposition, it is his role to challange and scrutinise the government. Not take the reigns and get results.

Exactly. The clue is kind of in the job title. 'Opposition'.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He worries them, hence the attacks and smears will ramp up as they can see he has the measure of Boris..

Indeed

It's good we can take notice of polls again

Well you certainly are lol.

Just ironic that before it was dismissed as right wing rubbish and must be problems with people's intelligence now no such problems yipeee

Are you saying the tory YouGov poll organisation is not independent ?

Was not me saying it but If you look further up this thread you will see that said and also more intelligence insults as per usual

Sorry cant see anyone suggesting the conservative you Gov organisation is not independent.

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By *kstallionMan over a year ago

milton keynes

What most voters want is results, not someone who just asks questions.

I disagree. I think most people would be surprised if the leader of the opposition started to get "results" on any of the issues.

As leader of the opposition, it is his role to challange and scrutinise the government. Not take the reigns and get results.

Exactly. The clue is kind of in the job title. 'Opposition'.

Indeed it is and yes he seems to be doing his job

Will he always be in opposition?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"To date Starmer has not indicated what he has to offer the country. As this stage he is simply a barrister who is potentially a multi millionaire and is knighted . He has no notable achievement at the CPS and appears to have done a very poor job in a number of cases.

What most voters want is results, not someone who just asks questions.

There is only one poll that matters and that was the one held on December 12 th last year.

We will have another in four years time . The crucial thing is to pull votes in four years time. Popularity will rise and fall in the years in between. "

I would assume most people would welcome a highly qualified well respected barrister in charge with a long list of achievements as opposed to a clown.

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By *kstallionMan over a year ago

milton keynes

"He worries them, hence the attacks and smears will ramp up as they can see he has the measure of Boris..

Indeed

It's good we can take notice of polls again

Well you certainly are lol.

Just ironic that before it was dismissed as right wing rubbish and must be problems with people's intelligence now no such problems yipeee

Are you saying the tory YouGov poll organisation is not independent ?

Was not me saying it but If you look further up this thread you will see that said and also more intelligence insults as per usual

Sorry cant see anyone suggesting the conservative you Gov organisation is not independent. "

Take a look at sunny Sussex post (2 weeks ago) clearly says its a Tory backed poll. Some other posters agree.

Also several questioning peoples intelligence

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By *hamesGentMan over a year ago

Oxfordshire / Sussex

What most voters want is results, not someone who just asks questions.

There is only one poll that matters and that was the one held on December 12 th last year.

We will have another in four years time . The crucial thing is to pull votes in four years time. Popularity will rise and fall in the years in between.

I would assume most people would welcome a highly qualified well respected barrister in charge with a long list of achievements as opposed to a clown."

You'd think so. But these days, I wouldn't assume anything.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What most voters want is results, not someone who just asks questions.

There is only one poll that matters and that was the one held on December 12 th last year.

We will have another in four years time . The crucial thing is to pull votes in four years time. Popularity will rise and fall in the years in between. "

Oh dear Pat....the wheels are definitely coming off your wagon aren’t they

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

What most voters want is results, not someone who just asks questions.

There is only one poll that matters and that was the one held on December 12 th last year.

We will have another in four years time . The crucial thing is to pull votes in four years time. Popularity will rise and fall in the years in between. "

Your a strange one pat, you supplicate yourself like a subservient acolyte when you wax lyrical about Cameron, may and your latest fad Boris and how successful they are in monetary terms yet because Starmer is of the left albeit centre you swallow the bile in that rag you read..

He has said if you are able to understand it that now us not the time for the normal politics and will support the government when it's right which he has done and yet will hold them to account when such scrutiny will assist the issue affecting the nation..

Stop living in the past, last December's result is past and its the now and how it pans out that will matter..

Like the media you live by I suspect as with them he has you a bit worried..

Enjoy the ride..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He worries them, hence the attacks and smears will ramp up as they can see he has the measure of Boris..

Indeed

It's good we can take notice of polls again

Well you certainly are lol.

Just ironic that before it was dismissed as right wing rubbish and must be problems with people's intelligence now no such problems yipeee

Are you saying the tory YouGov poll organisation is not independent ?

Was not me saying it but If you look further up this thread you will see that said and also more intelligence insults as per usual

Sorry cant see anyone suggesting the conservative you Gov organisation is not independent.

Take a look at sunny Sussex post (2 weeks ago) clearly says its a Tory backed poll. Some other posters agree.

Also several questioning peoples intelligence

I dont see posts questioning intelligence perhaps u can point some out. Perhaps you dont realise YouGovs backers are conservative leaning just do a little research.

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By *kstallionMan over a year ago

milton keynes

"He worries them, hence the attacks and smears will ramp up as they can see he has the measure of Boris..

Indeed

It's good we can take notice of polls again

Well you certainly are lol.

Just ironic that before it was dismissed as right wing rubbish and must be problems with people's intelligence now no such problems yipeee

Are you saying the tory YouGov poll organisation is not independent ?

Was not me saying it but If you look further up this thread you will see that said and also more intelligence insults as per usual

Sorry cant see anyone suggesting the conservative you Gov organisation is not independent.

Take a look at sunny Sussex post (2 weeks ago) clearly says its a Tory backed poll. Some other posters agree.

Also several questioning peoples intelligence

I dont see posts questioning intelligence perhaps u can point some out. Perhaps you dont realise YouGovs backers are conservative leaning just do a little research.

So I take it you found the post from sunny Sussex in the end

As for the intelligence ones it starts just a few posts down from the start by Pinehurst

The point I was trying to make was when the polls went against SKS people wrote its because of being a Tory run poll and insulting people who took part. When it goes for SKS then all of a sudden the polls are all ok avian

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What most voters want is results, not someone who just asks questions.

There is only one poll that matters and that was the one held on December 12 th last year.

We will have another in four years time . The crucial thing is to pull votes in four years time. Popularity will rise and fall in the years in between.

Stop living in the past, last December's result is past and its the now and how it pans out that will matter..

Like the media you live by I suspect as with them he has you a bit worried..

Enjoy the ride.. "
However any government in power is voted in by the electorate . Consequently you would expect more of the electorate to support the elected party than any other one. By deduction you would expect people to support Prime Ministers such as David Cameron, Theresa May and Boris Johnson. Anyone who does not is in the minority.

I am uncertain as to why the contents of a newspaper are described as bile , especially as it is an award winning newspaper .

You cannot just simply ignore the December election result. It is an indicator of how popular ( or unpopular depending on your view ) the Conservative party is. Any Conservative party supporter knows that they must take action to retain all these seats and gain even more in the next general election. Labour will try to reverse this. The Dec 2019 result is the one on which you plan your future regardless of which party you support.

Let's wait and see what happens at the next general election. This poll is the only one that counts ( each party now has four years to prepare )

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

PMQs tomorrow....watch Keir wipe the floor with the no mates waffling clown...if he turns up that is.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He worries them, hence the attacks and smears will ramp up as they can see he has the measure of Boris..

Indeed

It's good we can take notice of polls again

Well you certainly are lol.

Just ironic that before it was dismissed as right wing rubbish and must be problems with people's intelligence now no such problems yipeee

Are you saying the tory YouGov poll organisation is not independent ?

Was not me saying it but If you look further up this thread you will see that said and also more intelligence insults as per usual

Sorry cant see anyone suggesting the conservative you Gov organisation is not independent.

Take a look at sunny Sussex post (2 weeks ago) clearly says its a Tory backed poll. Some other posters agree.

Also several questioning peoples intelligence

I dont see posts questioning intelligence perhaps u can point some out. Perhaps you dont realise YouGovs backers are conservative leaning just do a little research.

So I take it you found the post from sunny Sussex in the end

As for the intelligence ones it starts just a few posts down from the start by Pinehurst

No cant find any evidence of your silly ramblings however I think it's safe to assume if the conservative run you Gov is giving keir a substantial lead over the clown then we can all rejoice.

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By *hamesGentMan over a year ago

Oxfordshire / Sussex

What most voters want is results, not someone who just asks questions.

There is only one poll that matters and that was the one held on December 12 th last year.

We will have another in four years time . The crucial thing is to pull votes in four years time. Popularity will rise and fall in the years in between.

Stop living in the past, last December's result is past and its the now and how it pans out that will matter..

Like the media you live by I suspect as with them he has you a bit worried..

Enjoy the ride.. However any government in power is voted in by the electorate . Consequently you would expect more of the electorate to support the elected party than any other one. By deduction you would expect people to support Prime Ministers such as David Cameron, Theresa May and Boris Johnson. Anyone who does not is in the minority.

I am uncertain as to why the contents of a newspaper are described as bile , especially as it is an award winning newspaper .

Let's wait and see what happens at the next general election. This poll is the only one that counts ( each party now has four years to prepare )

'By deduction you would expect people to support Prime Ministers such as David Cameron, Theresa May and Boris Johnson. Anyone who does not is in the minority.'

So, you're saying that those people who do not vote for the government are in a minority? Which by my logic would mean that the majority of the electorate votes for the government?

Do you know the last time that a government was elected with more than 50% of the vote?

1935.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

What most voters want is results, not someone who just asks questions.

There is only one poll that matters and that was the one held on December 12 th last year.

We will have another in four years time . The crucial thing is to pull votes in four years time. Popularity will rise and fall in the years in between.

Stop living in the past, last December's result is past and its the now and how it pans out that will matter..

Like the media you live by I suspect as with them he has you a bit worried..

I am uncertain as to why the contents of a newspaper are described as bile , especially as it is an award winning newspaper .

Let's wait and see what happens at the next general election. This poll is the only one that counts ( each party now has four years to prepare )

Was the award from the hitler youth?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

What most voters want is results, not someone who just asks questions.

There is only one poll that matters and that was the one held on December 12 th last year.

We will have another in four years time . The crucial thing is to pull votes in four years time. Popularity will rise and fall in the years in between.

Stop living in the past, last December's result is past and its the now and how it pans out that will matter..

Like the media you live by I suspect as with them he has you a bit worried..

I am uncertain as to why the contents of a newspaper are described as bile , especially as it is an award winning newspaper .

Let's wait and see what happens at the next general election. This poll is the only one that counts ( each party now has four years to prepare )

Yeah pat Boris was right behind Theresa May trouble us he was putting the knife in..

The mail has many cases where they've had to settle for lies printed, some in court a lot out of..

It's a vile paper filled with bile, blame and division..

It suits some..

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By *kstallionMan over a year ago

milton keynes

"He worries them, hence the attacks and smears will ramp up as they can see he has the measure of Boris..

Indeed

It's good we can take notice of polls again

Well you certainly are lol.

Just ironic that before it was dismissed as right wing rubbish and must be problems with people's intelligence now no such problems yipeee

Are you saying the tory YouGov poll organisation is not independent ?

Was not me saying it but If you look further up this thread you will see that said and also more intelligence insults as per usual

Sorry cant see anyone suggesting the conservative you Gov organisation is not independent.

Take a look at sunny Sussex post (2 weeks ago) clearly says its a Tory backed poll. Some other posters agree.

Also several questioning peoples intelligence

I dont see posts questioning intelligence perhaps u can point some out. Perhaps you dont realise YouGovs backers are conservative leaning just do a little research.

So I take it you found the post from sunny Sussex in the end

As for the intelligence ones it starts just a few posts down from the start by Pinehurst

No cant find any evidence of your silly ramblings however I think it's safe to assume if the conservative run you Gov is giving keir a substantial lead over the clown then we can all rejoice."

Let me assist you then

Go to the top of this thread and then read fifth post down from _ionelhutz

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By *kstallionMan over a year ago

milton keynes

What most voters want is results, not someone who just asks questions.

There is only one poll that matters and that was the one held on December 12 th last year.

We will have another in four years time . The crucial thing is to pull votes in four years time. Popularity will rise and fall in the years in between.

Stop living in the past, last December's result is past and its the now and how it pans out that will matter..

Like the media you live by I suspect as with them he has you a bit worried..

I am uncertain as to why the contents of a newspaper are described as bile , especially as it is an award winning newspaper .

Let's wait and see what happens at the next general election. This poll is the only one that counts ( each party now has four years to prepare )

I doubt the majority voted conservative but they clearly won the most seats.

I would not concern yourself with Labour supporters though as they still have not learnt from the past and many already conceding defeat for the next election.

It's a shame as SKS has impressed so far

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"He worries them, hence the attacks and smears will ramp up as they can see he has the measure of Boris..

Indeed

It's good we can take notice of polls again

Well you certainly are lol.

Just ironic that before it was dismissed as right wing rubbish and must be problems with people's intelligence now no such problems yipeee

Are you saying the tory YouGov poll organisation is not independent ?

Was not me saying it but If you look further up this thread you will see that said and also more intelligence insults as per usual

Sorry cant see anyone suggesting the conservative you Gov organisation is not independent.

Take a look at sunny Sussex post (2 weeks ago) clearly says its a Tory backed poll. Some other posters agree.

Also several questioning peoples intelligence

I dont see posts questioning intelligence perhaps u can point some out. Perhaps you dont realise YouGovs backers are conservative leaning just do a little research.

So I take it you found the post from sunny Sussex in the end

As for the intelligence ones it starts just a few posts down from the start by Pinehurst

No cant find any evidence of your silly ramblings however I think it's safe to assume if the conservative run you Gov is giving keir a substantial lead over the clown then we can all rejoice.

Let me assist you then

Go to the top of this thread and then read fifth post down from _ionelhutz

To be honest I misread the initial post

I thought it meant they didnt know who ks was