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By *V-Alice OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Ayr |
Apparently, depending upon how exit from the lockdown is handled, there's a spectrum from 100,000 additional deaths to 2,000,000 additional unemployed.
Neither is good but opinion seems to be divided, within the Tory Party and its funders, on which is worse.
Cause for concern? |
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By *V-Alice OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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Just listened to Boris' full statement in front of No.10.
Have to say I found it reassuring; mainly because I think he means it.
He seems intent on putting people before profit.
I'm glad he's in charge of his Party. |
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"Just listened to Boris' full statement in front of No.10.
Have to say I found it reassuring; mainly because I think he means it.
He seems intent on putting people before profit.
I'm glad he's in charge of his Party."
Actions speak louder than words.
Lets see what they do when all this is over..somehow I cant see them making a road to Damascus type conversion. |
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"Apparently, depending upon how exit from the lockdown is handled, there's a spectrum from 100,000 additional deaths to 2,000,000 additional unemployed.
Neither is good but opinion seems to be divided, within the Tory Party and its funders, on which is worse.
Cause for concern?"
Obviously the 2000000 additional unemployed, as it means some of the backers companies have gone bust. |
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By *V-Alice OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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"Just listened to Boris' full statement in front of No.10.
Have to say I found it reassuring; mainly because I think he means it.
He seems intent on putting people before profit.
I'm glad he's in charge of his Party.
Actions speak louder than words.
Lets see what they do when all this is over..somehow I cant see them making a road to Damascus type conversion."
Frankly, neither can I - although I'm glad he's in charge, rather than Raab, Patel and their kind.
Unsurprisingly, the BoE are predicting a deep recession. How that's handled should be interesting.
I wonder if all the newly unemployed southern bar staff, hairdressers, baristas, tour guides and stewards (of all kinds) will be treated with the same contempt as the northern miners, steel workers and ship-builders were in the 1980's?
That should give us some idea of whether or not this is a different kind of Tory Government. |
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"Just listened to Boris' full statement in front of No.10.
Have to say I found it reassuring; mainly because I think he means it.
He seems intent on putting people before profit.
I'm glad he's in charge of his Party.
Actions speak louder than words.
Lets see what they do when all this is over..somehow I cant see them making a road to Damascus type conversion.
Frankly, neither can I - although I'm glad he's in charge, rather than Raab, Patel and their kind.
Unsurprisingly, the BoE are predicting a deep recession. How that's handled should be interesting.
I wonder if all the newly unemployed southern bar staff, hairdressers, baristas, tour guides and stewards (of all kinds) will be treated with the same contempt as the northern miners, steel workers and ship-builders were in the 1980's?
That should give us some idea of whether or not this is a different kind of Tory Government. "
Yet all those 80s miners etc just voted them back in. |
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"Just listened to Boris' full statement in front of No.10.
Have to say I found it reassuring; mainly because I think he means it.
He seems intent on putting people before profit.
I'm glad he's in charge of his Party.
Actions speak louder than words.
Lets see what they do when all this is over..somehow I cant see them making a road to Damascus type conversion.
Frankly, neither can I - although I'm glad he's in charge, rather than Raab, Patel and their kind.
Unsurprisingly, the BoE are predicting a deep recession. How that's handled should be interesting.
I wonder if all the newly unemployed southern bar staff, hairdressers, baristas, tour guides and stewards (of all kinds) will be treated with the same contempt as the northern miners, steel workers and ship-builders were in the 1980's?
That should give us some idea of whether or not this is a different kind of Tory Government.
Yet all those 80s miners etc just voted them back in."
They only voted them in because they wanted brexit and is just wasn't going to happen under labour, labour knew they were going to lose the north but carried on anyway. |
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"Just listened to Boris' full statement in front of No.10.
Have to say I found it reassuring; mainly because I think he means it.
He seems intent on putting people before profit.
I'm glad he's in charge of his Party.
Actions speak louder than words.
Lets see what they do when all this is over..somehow I cant see them making a road to Damascus type conversion.
Frankly, neither can I - although I'm glad he's in charge, rather than Raab, Patel and their kind.
Unsurprisingly, the BoE are predicting a deep recession. How that's handled should be interesting.
I wonder if all the newly unemployed southern bar staff, hairdressers, baristas, tour guides and stewards (of all kinds) will be treated with the same contempt as the northern miners, steel workers and ship-builders were in the 1980's?
That should give us some idea of whether or not this is a different kind of Tory Government.
Yet all those 80s miners etc just voted them back in. They only voted them in because they wanted brexit and is just wasn't going to happen under labour, labour knew they were going to lose the north but carried on anyway."
So they have very short memories. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just listened to Boris' full statement in front of No.10.
Have to say I found it reassuring; mainly because I think he means it.
He seems intent on putting people before profit.
I'm glad he's in charge of his Party.
Actions speak louder than words.
Lets see what they do when all this is over..somehow I cant see them making a road to Damascus type conversion.
Frankly, neither can I - although I'm glad he's in charge, rather than Raab, Patel and their kind.
Unsurprisingly, the BoE are predicting a deep recession. How that's handled should be interesting.
I wonder if all the newly unemployed southern bar staff, hairdressers, baristas, tour guides and stewards (of all kinds) will be treated with the same contempt as the northern miners, steel workers and ship-builders were in the 1980's?
That should give us some idea of whether or not this is a different kind of Tory Government.
Yet all those 80s miners etc just voted them back in. They only voted them in because they wanted brexit and is just wasn't going to happen under labour, labour knew they were going to lose the north but carried on anyway.
So they have very short memories."
lol that could very well be true, but I don't think the 80s have been forgotten by them, I think they felt that labour was not supporting them in what they had decided they wanted, I think a lot would vote for labour again next time round when brexit is out of the way, but who knows, time will tell I guess. |
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"Just listened to Boris' full statement in front of No.10.
Have to say I found it reassuring; mainly because I think he means it.
He seems intent on putting people before profit.
I'm glad he's in charge of his Party.
Actions speak louder than words.
Lets see what they do when all this is over..somehow I cant see them making a road to Damascus type conversion.
Frankly, neither can I - although I'm glad he's in charge, rather than Raab, Patel and their kind.
Unsurprisingly, the BoE are predicting a deep recession. How that's handled should be interesting.
I wonder if all the newly unemployed southern bar staff, hairdressers, baristas, tour guides and stewards (of all kinds) will be treated with the same contempt as the northern miners, steel workers and ship-builders were in the 1980's?
That should give us some idea of whether or not this is a different kind of Tory Government.
Yet all those 80s miners etc just voted them back in. They only voted them in because they wanted brexit and is just wasn't going to happen under labour, labour knew they were going to lose the north but carried on anyway.
So they have very short memories. lol that could very well be true, but I don't think the 80s have been forgotten by them, I think they felt that labour was not supporting them in what they had decided they wanted, I think a lot would vote for labour again next time round when brexit is out of the way, but who knows, time will tell I guess."
I do actually agree with that.
I think new labour did leave them behind.
However instead of voting for a genuinely left wing alternative,they voted for a right wing gmnt who,in all likelihood will make their lives worse. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just listened to Boris' full statement in front of No.10.
Have to say I found it reassuring; mainly because I think he means it.
He seems intent on putting people before profit.
I'm glad he's in charge of his Party.
Actions speak louder than words.
Lets see what they do when all this is over..somehow I cant see them making a road to Damascus type conversion.
Frankly, neither can I - although I'm glad he's in charge, rather than Raab, Patel and their kind.
Unsurprisingly, the BoE are predicting a deep recession. How that's handled should be interesting.
I wonder if all the newly unemployed southern bar staff, hairdressers, baristas, tour guides and stewards (of all kinds) will be treated with the same contempt as the northern miners, steel workers and ship-builders were in the 1980's?
That should give us some idea of whether or not this is a different kind of Tory Government.
Yet all those 80s miners etc just voted them back in. They only voted them in because they wanted brexit and is just wasn't going to happen under labour, labour knew they were going to lose the north but carried on anyway.
So they have very short memories. lol that could very well be true, but I don't think the 80s have been forgotten by them, I think they felt that labour was not supporting them in what they had decided they wanted, I think a lot would vote for labour again next time round when brexit is out of the way, but who knows, time will tell I guess.
I do actually agree with that.
I think new labour did leave them behind.
However instead of voting for a genuinely left wing alternative,they voted for a right wing gmnt who,in all likelihood will make their lives worse."
yep I agree new labour did leave them behind, they were definitely not what I would call a "proper working man's party ", wellin my opinion anyways and then labour going the opposite way on brexit was the final nail in the coffin this time round. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just listened to Boris' full statement in front of No.10.
Have to say I found it reassuring; mainly because I think he means it.
He seems intent on putting people before profit.
I'm glad he's in charge of his Party.
Actions speak louder than words.
Lets see what they do when all this is over..somehow I cant see them making a road to Damascus type conversion.
Frankly, neither can I - although I'm glad he's in charge, rather than Raab, Patel and their kind.
Unsurprisingly, the BoE are predicting a deep recession. How that's handled should be interesting.
I wonder if all the newly unemployed southern bar staff, hairdressers, baristas, tour guides and stewards (of all kinds) will be treated with the same contempt as the northern miners, steel workers and ship-builders were in the 1980's?
That should give us some idea of whether or not this is a different kind of Tory Government. "
This is a new breed of employees.
I went on strike at Gatwick, several staff carried on working. Whilst the older worker kept calling them scabs, the younger one carried on as if nothing had happened. |
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"Just listened to Boris' full statement in front of No.10.
Have to say I found it reassuring; mainly because I think he means it.
He seems intent on putting people before profit.
I'm glad he's in charge of his Party.
Actions speak louder than words.
Lets see what they do when all this is over..somehow I cant see them making a road to Damascus type conversion.
Frankly, neither can I - although I'm glad he's in charge, rather than Raab, Patel and their kind.
Unsurprisingly, the BoE are predicting a deep recession. How that's handled should be interesting.
I wonder if all the newly unemployed southern bar staff, hairdressers, baristas, tour guides and stewards (of all kinds) will be treated with the same contempt as the northern miners, steel workers and ship-builders were in the 1980's?
That should give us some idea of whether or not this is a different kind of Tory Government.
Yet all those 80s miners etc just voted them back in. They only voted them in because they wanted brexit and is just wasn't going to happen under labour, labour knew they were going to lose the north but carried on anyway.
So they have very short memories. lol that could very well be true, but I don't think the 80s have been forgotten by them, I think they felt that labour was not supporting them in what they had decided they wanted, I think a lot would vote for labour again next time round when brexit is out of the way, but who knows, time will tell I guess.
I do actually agree with that.
I think new labour did leave them behind.
However instead of voting for a genuinely left wing alternative,they voted for a right wing gmnt who,in all likelihood will make their lives worse. yep I agree new labour did leave them behind, they were definitely not what I would call a "proper working man's party ", wellin my opinion anyways and then labour going the opposite way on brexit was the final nail in the coffin this time round."
I thought the nail in the coffin was due to them, sitting on the fence with Brexit. |
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"Just listened to Boris' full statement in front of No.10.
Have to say I found it reassuring; mainly because I think he means it.
He seems intent on putting people before profit.
I'm glad he's in charge of his Party.
Actions speak louder than words.
Lets see what they do when all this is over..somehow I cant see them making a road to Damascus type conversion.
Frankly, neither can I - although I'm glad he's in charge, rather than Raab, Patel and their kind.
Unsurprisingly, the BoE are predicting a deep recession. How that's handled should be interesting.
I wonder if all the newly unemployed southern bar staff, hairdressers, baristas, tour guides and stewards (of all kinds) will be treated with the same contempt as the northern miners, steel workers and ship-builders were in the 1980's?
That should give us some idea of whether or not this is a different kind of Tory Government.
Yet all those 80s miners etc just voted them back in. They only voted them in because they wanted brexit and is just wasn't going to happen under labour, labour knew they were going to lose the north but carried on anyway.
So they have very short memories. lol that could very well be true, but I don't think the 80s have been forgotten by them, I think they felt that labour was not supporting them in what they had decided they wanted, I think a lot would vote for labour again next time round when brexit is out of the way, but who knows, time will tell I guess.
I do actually agree with that.
I think new labour did leave them behind.
However instead of voting for a genuinely left wing alternative,they voted for a right wing gmnt who,in all likelihood will make their lives worse. yep I agree new labour did leave them behind, they were definitely not what I would call a "proper working man's party ", wellin my opinion anyways and then labour going the opposite way on brexit was the final nail in the coffin this time round.
I thought the nail in the coffin was due to them, sitting on the fence with Brexit."
Said it before.They were in a no win situation |
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"Apparently, depending upon how exit from the lockdown is handled, there's a spectrum from 100,000 additional deaths to 2,000,000 additional unemployed.
Neither is good but opinion seems to be divided, within the Tory Party and its funders, on which is worse.
Cause for concern?"
Not much, numbers like these don’t matter much to them. As long as they can weasel their way out of this, the British electorate will continue to vote Tory. |
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By *V-Alice OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Ayr |
"I do actually agree with that.
I think new labour did leave them behind.
However instead of voting for a genuinely left wing alternative,they voted for a right wing gmnt who,in all likelihood will make their lives worse."
Blair stole Thatcher's clothes. He knew, as she did, that due to FPTP, as long as you kept London and the SE of England sweet, the rest of the UK was irrelevant to winning a GE.
So, New Labour didn't give a fuck beyond that.
In Scotland, they gave us a Parliament designed to keep the SNP out of power - yet they took us so much for granted, felt so entitled to our loyalty, that their contempt for us led to their demise; because we had another party to vote for.
They did not learn from this. They held the North of England and the Midlands in the same contempt they held Scotland - thinking that, since there's no SNP to vote for, we're safe to ignore the voters; they'll never abandon us for the Tories. Not even if the Tories will definitely deliver Brexit, which most of them wanted.
Whether socialist or Tory-lite, the Labour Party needs to listen to voters, not sit in judgement of them. Until it does, it will remain out of power. |
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I thought the nail in the coffin was due to them, sitting on the fence with Brexit.
Said it before.They were in a no win situation"
Labour could of been in a win situation if they had followed through with their promises to uphold the referendum result and fight the Tories on a level playing field in regards to Brexit. |
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By *V-Alice OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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"Labour could of been in a win situation if they had followed through with their promises to uphold the referendum result and fight the Tories on a level playing field in regards to Brexit."
Maybe. The fact remains, they didn't.
This Radio 4 programme 'Left Out of Power' goes some way to explaining how they fucked themselves so badly.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000h0gr |
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"I do actually agree with that.
I think new labour did leave them behind.
However instead of voting for a genuinely left wing alternative,they voted for a right wing gmnt who,in all likelihood will make their lives worse.
Blair stole Thatcher's clothes. He knew, as she did, that due to FPTP, as long as you kept London and the SE of England sweet, the rest of the UK was irrelevant to winning a GE.
So, New Labour didn't give a fuck beyond that.
In Scotland, they gave us a Parliament designed to keep the SNP out of power - yet they took us so much for granted, felt so entitled to our loyalty, that their contempt for us led to their demise; because we had another party to vote for.
They did not learn from this. They held the North of England and the Midlands in the same contempt they held Scotland - thinking that, since there's no SNP to vote for, we're safe to ignore the voters; they'll never abandon us for the Tories. Not even if the Tories will definitely deliver Brexit, which most of them wanted.
Whether socialist or Tory-lite, the Labour Party needs to listen to voters, not sit in judgement of them. Until it does, it will remain out of power."
Agreed with most of that but it was new labour who took fir granted big chunks of the north by moving further to the centre.So in protest instead of voting for a centre left party,they voted for a party further right wing.
You literally couldnt make it up. |
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I thought the nail in the coffin was due to them, sitting on the fence with Brexit.
Said it before.They were in a no win situation
Labour could of been in a win situation if they had followed through with their promises to uphold the referendum result and fight the Tories on a level playing field in regards to Brexit. "
They would have lost the big chunks of the country which wanted the most sensible option of a 2nd referendum. |
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I thought the nail in the coffin was due to them, sitting on the fence with Brexit.
Said it before.They were in a no win situation
Labour could of been in a win situation if they had followed through with their promises to uphold the referendum result and fight the Tories on a level playing field in regards to Brexit.
They would have lost the big chunks of the country which wanted the most sensible option of a 2nd referendum."
They instead lost big Chunks of the north that wanted what was voted for though  |
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By *V-Alice OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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"Apparently, depending upon how exit from the lockdown is handled, there's a spectrum from 100,000 additional deaths to 2,000,000 additional unemployed.
Neither is good but opinion seems to be divided, within the Tory Party and its funders, on which is worse.
Cause for concern?"
Well, three weeks on and we're at 4.2M people on Universal Credit, 2.1M unemployed with only 637,000 job vacancies available; and, just today, 9,000 more redundancies announced at Rolls-Royce - 6,000 of which may be in the UK.
And we haven't really left lockdown yet.
Not sacrificing our lives, for the sake of the economy, was always going to cause hardship - but hardship is bearable; a price worth paying.
After all, it was in the 1980s, when the livelihoods of millions of people were actually being sacrificed for the sake of the economy. Wasn't it?
Or are we no longer tough enough to endure? |
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