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"the only struggle going on at the moment is the one the old press are having with massive loss of advertising revenue and dwindling sales/subscription income.
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Do you think your response is typical. Will most Conservatives turn on the Times and Murdoch, and side with the Tories? |
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"the only struggle going on at the moment is the one the old press are having with massive loss of advertising revenue and dwindling sales/subscription income.
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Newspapers have been losing revenue for years. Why now? The usual suspects aren't even attacking the EU. It might just be, and it's a long shot, that Boris has been found out for charlatan he really is.. |
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"the only struggle going on at the moment is the one the old press are having with massive loss of advertising revenue and dwindling sales/subscription income.
Do you think your response is typical. Will most Conservatives turn on the Times and Murdoch, and side with the Tories? "
I think most people recognise there has been a steady decline in the way old media is consumed.
My response is a combination of the above statement and my understanding/reading around the dramatic effect the current situation has had on the advertising income stream the legacy media has been relying upon to support the falling subscription/sales revenue.
My comment was more about the economics than the politics.
Far be it from to say what a Conservative would do in response to the Sunday Times article   |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"the only struggle going on at the moment is the one the old press are having with massive loss of advertising revenue and dwindling sales/subscription income.
Newspapers have been losing revenue for years. Why now? The usual suspects aren't even attacking the EU. It might just be, and it's a long shot, that Boris has been found out for charlatan he really is.."
You really are clutching at straws newspapers need a headline to sell,there is no brexit news to speak of the opposition has disappeared at the moment and showing unity. last week it was ventilators seems we have enough now ppe is being done to death by every media source even tony blair was rolled out today and they didnt get him to say anything controversial.Headlines sell papers, even more if they are going against what they are expected to support its all been junked by the government and they probably knew it would but hey ho guess what lots of people subscribed to read it,mugs. |
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"the only struggle going on at the moment is the one the old press are having with massive loss of advertising revenue and dwindling sales/subscription income.
Do you think your response is typical. Will most Conservatives turn on the Times and Murdoch, and side with the Tories?
I think most people recognise there has been a steady decline in the way old media is consumed.
My response is a combination of the above statement and my understanding/reading around the dramatic effect the current situation has had on the advertising income stream the legacy media has been relying upon to support the falling subscription/sales revenue.
My comment was more about the economics than the politics.
Far be it from to say what a Conservative would do in response to the Sunday Times article "
Ah sorry. I may have made an assumption.
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"the only struggle going on at the moment is the one the old press are having with massive loss of advertising revenue and dwindling sales/subscription income.
Newspapers have been losing revenue for years. Why now? The usual suspects aren't even attacking the EU. It might just be, and it's a long shot, that Boris has been found out for charlatan he really is..You really are clutching at straws newspapers need a headline to sell,there is no brexit news to speak of the opposition has disappeared at the moment and showing unity. last week it was ventilators seems we have enough now ppe is being done to death by every media source even tony blair was rolled out today and they didnt get him to say anything controversial.Headlines sell papers, even more if they are going against what they are expected to support its all been junked by the government and they probably knew it would but hey ho guess what lots of people subscribed to read it,mugs. "
Ppe has been an issue for weeks on end. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"the only struggle going on at the moment is the one the old press are having with massive loss of advertising revenue and dwindling sales/subscription income.
Newspapers have been losing revenue for years. Why now? The usual suspects aren't even attacking the EU. It might just be, and it's a long shot, that Boris has been found out for charlatan he really is..You really are clutching at straws newspapers need a headline to sell,there is no brexit news to speak of the opposition has disappeared at the moment and showing unity. last week it was ventilators seems we have enough now ppe is being done to death by every media source even tony blair was rolled out today and they didnt get him to say anything controversial.Headlines sell papers, even more if they are going against what they are expected to support its all been junked by the government and they probably knew it would but hey ho guess what lots of people subscribed to read it,mugs.
Ppe has been an issue for weeks on end."
Exactly not fresh news anymore. |
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"the only struggle going on at the moment is the one the old press are having with massive loss of advertising revenue and dwindling sales/subscription income.
Newspapers have been losing revenue for years. Why now? The usual suspects aren't even attacking the EU. It might just be, and it's a long shot, that Boris has been found out for charlatan he really is..You really are clutching at straws newspapers need a headline to sell,there is no brexit news to speak of the opposition has disappeared at the moment and showing unity. last week it was ventilators seems we have enough now ppe is being done to death by every media source even tony blair was rolled out today and they didnt get him to say anything controversial.Headlines sell papers, even more if they are going against what they are expected to support its all been junked by the government and they probably knew it would but hey ho guess what lots of people subscribed to read it,mugs.
Ppe has been an issue for weeks on end.Exactly not fresh news anymore."
Suppose it depends if you think its newsworthy or not?
Though there is a huge degree of hypocrisy out there..The mail and the rag are always banging on about public service 'Waste' |
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"the only struggle going on at the moment is the one the old press are having with massive loss of advertising revenue and dwindling sales/subscription income.
Do you think your response is typical. Will most Conservatives turn on the Times and Murdoch, and side with the Tories?
I think most people recognise there has been a steady decline in the way old media is consumed.
My response is a combination of the above statement and my understanding/reading around the dramatic effect the current situation has had on the advertising income stream the legacy media has been relying upon to support the falling subscription/sales revenue.
My comment was more about the economics than the politics.
Far be it from to say what a Conservative would do in response to the Sunday Times article
Ah sorry. I may have made an assumption.
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That’s ok 
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"the only struggle going on at the moment is the one the old press are having with massive loss of advertising revenue and dwindling sales/subscription income.
Newspapers have been losing revenue for years. Why now? The usual suspects aren't even attacking the EU. It might just be, and it's a long shot, that Boris has been found out for charlatan he really is..You really are clutching at straws newspapers need a headline to sell,there is no brexit news to speak of the opposition has disappeared at the moment and showing unity. last week it was ventilators seems we have enough now ppe is being done to death by every media source even tony blair was rolled out today and they didnt get him to say anything controversial.Headlines sell papers, even more if they are going against what they are expected to support its all been junked by the government and they probably knew it would but hey ho guess what lots of people subscribed to read it,mugs.
Ppe has been an issue for weeks on end.Exactly not fresh news anymore.
Suppose it depends if you think its newsworthy or not?
Though there is a huge degree of hypocrisy out there..The mail and the rag are always banging on about public service 'Waste' "
I wouldnt know dont read them. |
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"the only struggle going on at the moment is the one the old press are having with massive loss of advertising revenue and dwindling sales/subscription income.
Newspapers have been losing revenue for years. Why now? The usual suspects aren't even attacking the EU. It might just be, and it's a long shot, that Boris has been found out for charlatan he really is..You really are clutching at straws newspapers need a headline to sell,there is no brexit news to speak of the opposition has disappeared at the moment and showing unity. last week it was ventilators seems we have enough now ppe is being done to death by every media source even tony blair was rolled out today and they didnt get him to say anything controversial.Headlines sell papers, even more if they are going against what they are expected to support its all been junked by the government and they probably knew it would but hey ho guess what lots of people subscribed to read it,mugs.
Ppe has been an issue for weeks on end.Exactly not fresh news anymore."
No, but it being reported in a Murdoch owned newspaper is new. |
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"When your key allies start questioning your leadership then you know the cracks are showing further.
Thoughts?
Think there is a power struggle going on tbh
Great timing though.You wish "
Boris won’t be the PM for the next GE . |
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"the only struggle going on at the moment is the one the old press are having with massive loss of advertising revenue and dwindling sales/subscription income.
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Do you think the story is ‘fake ‘ ? |
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Labour had or has a problem with some antisemitism.. Great journalism..
Boris was fanning about at the start of the pandemic.. Its just to sell papers..
Double standards perhaps or deflection or heads in the sand..?
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"the only struggle going on at the moment is the one the old press are having with massive loss of advertising revenue and dwindling sales/subscription income.
Do you think the story is ‘fake ‘ ? "
Have the government made mistakes - yes
Have the Sunday Times done a hatchet job on the mistakes - yes
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"Labour had or has a problem with some antisemitism.. Great journalism..
Boris was fanning about at the start of the pandemic.. Its just to sell papers..
Double standards perhaps or deflection or heads in the sand..?
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They did everything in their power to help bring about Brexit and get Johnson in.
Now they wanna bring about his downfall cos a multi millionaire needs to sell a few more copies?
Cant see it myself. |
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"Labour had or has a problem with some antisemitism.. Great journalism..
Boris was fanning about at the start of the pandemic.. Its just to sell papers..
Double standards perhaps or deflection or heads in the sand..?
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Very good point. No matter how much the Boris fanboys try to dismiss the story they all know it is very very bad news for the government, somebody very significant will be made the scape goat by the real leader , Cummings |
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"the only struggle going on at the moment is the one the old press are having with massive loss of advertising revenue and dwindling sales/subscription income.
Do you think the story is ‘fake ‘ ?
Have the government made mistakes - yes
Have the Sunday Times done a hatchet job on the mistakes - yes
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Just to sell more newspapers and subscriptions? |
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"the only struggle going on at the moment is the one the old press are having with massive loss of advertising revenue and dwindling sales/subscription income.
Do you think the story is ‘fake ‘ ?
Have the government made mistakes - yes
Have the Sunday Times done a hatchet job on the mistakes - yes
Just to sell more newspapers and subscriptions? "
Why wouldn’t they ? |
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"When your key allies start questioning your leadership then you know the cracks are showing further.
Thoughts?
Think there is a power struggle going on tbh
Great timing though.You wish
Boris won’t be the PM for the next GE . "
I get the impression he wanted the idea of the job rather than the job itself.He certainly didnt expect this shitstorm.
I think he is still very popular amongst the Tory support and I cant see who will take his place. |
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"Labour had or has a problem with some antisemitism.. Great journalism..
Boris was fanning about at the start of the pandemic.. Its just to sell papers..
Double standards perhaps or deflection or heads in the sand..?
Very good point. No matter how much the Boris fanboys try to dismiss the story they all know it is very very bad news for the government, somebody very significant will be made the scape goat by the real leader , Cummings "
I was reading some stuff about him and think about how much shit he has on them?I don't think they can get rid of him as he could bring down the entire show.
He has got a huge degree of power. |
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"the only struggle going on at the moment is the one the old press are having with massive loss of advertising revenue and dwindling sales/subscription income.
Newspapers have been losing revenue for years. Why now? The usual suspects aren't even attacking the EU. It might just be, and it's a long shot, that Boris has been found out for charlatan he really is..You really are clutching at straws newspapers need a headline to sell,there is no brexit news to speak of the opposition has disappeared at the moment and showing unity. last week it was ventilators seems we have enough now ppe is being done to death by every media source even tony blair was rolled out today and they didnt get him to say anything controversial.Headlines sell papers, even more if they are going against what they are expected to support its all been junked by the government and they probably knew it would but hey ho guess what lots of people subscribed to read it,mugs. "
Good lord, you seem an intelligent person. Look at Boris's record, it's littered with utter failure.. |
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"When your key allies start questioning your leadership then you know the cracks are showing further.
Thoughts?
Think there is a power struggle going on tbh
Great timing though.You wish
Boris won’t be the PM for the next GE .
I get the impression he wanted the idea of the job rather than the job itself.He certainly didnt expect this shitstorm.
I think he is still very popular amongst the Tory support and I cant see who will take his place."
He will quit, cash in whilst he is still popular, he didn’t envisage anything as bad as this . |
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"the only struggle going on at the moment is the one the old press are having with massive loss of advertising revenue and dwindling sales/subscription income.
Do you think the story is ‘fake ‘ ?
Have the government made mistakes - yes
Have the Sunday Times done a hatchet job on the mistakes - yes
Just to sell more newspapers and subscriptions?
Why wouldn’t they ?"
Why now? why this story? Let’s be honest they are trying to destroy Boris and the government. This is just the start |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Labour had or has a problem with some antisemitism.. Great journalism..
Boris was fanning about at the start of the pandemic.. Its just to sell papers..
Double standards perhaps or deflection or heads in the sand..?
Very good point. No matter how much the Boris fanboys try to dismiss the story they all know it is very very bad news for the government, somebody very significant will be made the scape goat by the real leader , Cummings
I was reading some stuff about him and think about how much shit he has on them?I don't think they can get rid of him as he could bring down the entire show.
He has got a huge degree of power."
They won’t get rid of him, he will quit |
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"Labour had or has a problem with some antisemitism.. Great journalism..
Boris was fanning about at the start of the pandemic.. Its just to sell papers..
Double standards perhaps or deflection or heads in the sand..?
Very good point. No matter how much the Boris fanboys try to dismiss the story they all know it is very very bad news for the government, somebody very significant will be made the scape goat by the real leader , Cummings
I was reading some stuff about him and think about how much shit he has on them?I don't think they can get rid of him as he could bring down the entire show.
He has got a huge degree of power.
They won’t get rid of him, he will quit "
He wont walk away from that job The amount of sway he has. |
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"the only struggle going on at the moment is the one the old press are having with massive loss of advertising revenue and dwindling sales/subscription income.
Do you think the story is ‘fake ‘ ?
Have the government made mistakes - yes
Have the Sunday Times done a hatchet job on the mistakes - yes
Just to sell more newspapers and subscriptions?
Why wouldn’t they ?"
How many people subscribed to read the article, and how many people read it for free on twitter or somewhere else?
How many staunch Boris supporters cancelled their subscription and moved to the Torygraph?
From a business perspective. Slagging off your core readerships hero. Doesn't make for a good tactic. |
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"the only struggle going on at the moment is the one the old press are having with massive loss of advertising revenue and dwindling sales/subscription income.
Do you think the story is ‘fake ‘ ?
Have the government made mistakes - yes
Have the Sunday Times done a hatchet job on the mistakes - yes
Just to sell more newspapers and subscriptions?
Why wouldn’t they ?
Why now? why this story? Let’s be honest they are trying to destroy Boris and the government. This is just the start "
Im sure they thought they were on to gold (literally) and a good opportunity to weaken him (murdoch wants Gove, Barclay brothers want Boris) .... and all of this while he’s laid up recuperating from being at the brink of death (tongue in cheek aside ), problem is they didn’t do it very well ! The pot of gold and the weakening - They have faced far more backlash than they expected - and not just from the Tory commentators.
There’s a far more explosive story brewing (if it’s found to be true) which will no doubt be hammered on here in the next few days |
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"the only struggle going on at the moment is the one the old press are having with massive loss of advertising revenue and dwindling sales/subscription income.
Newspapers have been losing revenue for years. Why now? The usual suspects aren't even attacking the EU. It might just be, and it's a long shot, that Boris has been found out for charlatan he really is..You really are clutching at straws newspapers need a headline to sell,there is no brexit news to speak of the opposition has disappeared at the moment and showing unity. last week it was ventilators seems we have enough now ppe is being done to death by every media source even tony blair was rolled out today and they didnt get him to say anything controversial.Headlines sell papers, even more if they are going against what they are expected to support its all been junked by the government and they probably knew it would but hey ho guess what lots of people subscribed to read it,mugs.
Good lord, you seem an intelligent person. Look at Boris's record, it's littered with utter failure.."
To most people the only success that counts is winning an election . It is the result on the day that counts , what happens before or after is probably irrelevant . If you read the biography of Boris you will find that he is a non stop success story. How can anyone consider a party leader who wins an 80 seat majority to be a failure ? |
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"the only struggle going on at the moment is the one the old press are having with massive loss of advertising revenue and dwindling sales/subscription income.
Newspapers have been losing revenue for years. Why now? The usual suspects aren't even attacking the EU. It might just be, and it's a long shot, that Boris has been found out for charlatan he really is..You really are clutching at straws newspapers need a headline to sell,there is no brexit news to speak of the opposition has disappeared at the moment and showing unity. last week it was ventilators seems we have enough now ppe is being done to death by every media source even tony blair was rolled out today and they didnt get him to say anything controversial.Headlines sell papers, even more if they are going against what they are expected to support its all been junked by the government and they probably knew it would but hey ho guess what lots of people subscribed to read it,mugs.
Good lord, you seem an intelligent person. Look at Boris's record, it's littered with utter failure.. To most people the only success that counts is winning an election . It is the result on the day that counts , what happens before or after is probably irrelevant . If you read the biography of Boris you will find that he is a non stop success story. How can anyone consider a party leader who wins an 80 seat majority to be a failure ? "
I'd say it's what you do after an election that counts.
Teresa may won an election .she is hardly going to go down in history. |
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"the only struggle going on at the moment is the one the old press are having with massive loss of advertising revenue and dwindling sales/subscription income.
Do you think the story is ‘fake ‘ ?
Have the government made mistakes - yes
Have the Sunday Times done a hatchet job on the mistakes - yes
Just to sell more newspapers and subscriptions?
Why wouldn’t they ?
Why now? why this story? Let’s be honest they are trying to destroy Boris and the government. This is just the start
Im sure they thought they were on to gold (literally) and a good opportunity to weaken him (murdoch wants Gove, Barclay brothers want Boris) .... and all of this while he’s laid up recuperating from being at the brink of death (tongue in cheek aside ), problem is they didn’t do it very well ! The pot of gold and the weakening - They have faced far more backlash than they expected - and not just from the Tory commentators.
There’s a far more explosive story brewing (if it’s found to be true) which will no doubt be hammered on here in the next few days"
Suppose it makes a change from the labour party tearing itself apart. |
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"the only struggle going on at the moment is the one the old press are having with massive loss of advertising revenue and dwindling sales/subscription income.
Do you think the story is ‘fake ‘ ?
Have the government made mistakes - yes
Have the Sunday Times done a hatchet job on the mistakes - yes
Just to sell more newspapers and subscriptions?
Why wouldn’t they ?
How many people subscribed to read the article, and how many people read it for free on twitter or somewhere else?
How many staunch Boris supporters cancelled their subscription and moved to the Torygraph?
From a business perspective. Slagging off your core readerships hero. Doesn't make for a good tactic."
New subscribers - don’t know . I didn’t pay for it
Lost subscribers - don’t know. As I don’t subscribe to either publications I don’t know if I would of cancelled and either saved the cash or put it into another subscription .
Slagging off core subscribers - that’s a decreasing income stream model anyway.
However as pointed out by someone else (which I’ve replied to above ) there is also the underlying strong possibility they saw a good opportunity to wound Boris |
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"the only struggle going on at the moment is the one the old press are having with massive loss of advertising revenue and dwindling sales/subscription income.
Do you think the story is ‘fake ‘ ?
Have the government made mistakes - yes
Have the Sunday Times done a hatchet job on the mistakes - yes
Just to sell more newspapers and subscriptions?
Why wouldn’t they ?
How many people subscribed to read the article, and how many people read it for free on twitter or somewhere else?
How many staunch Boris supporters cancelled their subscription and moved to the Torygraph?
From a business perspective. Slagging off your core readerships hero. Doesn't make for a good tactic.
New subscribers - don’t know . I didn’t pay for it
Lost subscribers - don’t know. As I don’t subscribe to either publications I don’t know if I would of cancelled and either saved the cash or put it into another subscription .
Slagging off core subscribers - that’s a decreasing income stream model anyway.
However as pointed out by someone else (which I’ve replied to above ) there is also the underlying strong possibility they saw a good opportunity to wound Boris "
Boris will destroy Boris. He is perfectly capable of ballsing it all up, look at his history. It just beggars belief that anybody consider this bloke anything other than an utter con trick. A twatty hairstyle and a few funny phrases in Latin, that's it. You wouldn't let him run a company let alone the country. In years to come, it will be marvelled at that this guy got to where he is. |
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"Story on Twitter about multiple fake nhs accounts being used by someone linked to the gmnt.
Not sure if this is what is alluded too above?"
Dirty tricks indeed, tad strange that all 128 accounts were deleted at the same time..
Smelling a rat..
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"Story on Twitter about multiple fake nhs accounts being used by someone linked to the gmnt.
Not sure if this is what is alluded too above?
Dirty tricks indeed, tad strange that all 128 accounts were deleted at the same time..
Smelling a rat..
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Borderline illegal aswell surely? |
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"Story on Twitter about multiple fake nhs accounts being used by someone linked to the gmnt.
Not sure if this is what is alluded too above?
Dirty tricks indeed, tad strange that all 128 accounts were deleted at the same time..
Smelling a rat..
Borderline illegal aswell surely?"
Think the guy who uncovered it is seeking advice, unethical certainly and issues under data protection perhaps..
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"Story on Twitter about multiple fake nhs accounts being used by someone linked to the gmnt.
Not sure if this is what is alluded too above?
Dirty tricks indeed, tad strange that all 128 accounts were deleted at the same time..
Smelling a rat..
Borderline illegal aswell surely?
Think the guy who uncovered it is seeking advice, unethical certainly and issues under data protection perhaps..
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Its the impersonating a dr/nurse aspect I think. |
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"Story on Twitter about multiple fake nhs accounts being used by someone linked to the gmnt.
Not sure if this is what is alluded too above?
Dirty tricks indeed, tad strange that all 128 accounts were deleted at the same time..
Smelling a rat..
Borderline illegal aswell surely?
Think the guy who uncovered it is seeking advice, unethical certainly and issues under data protection perhaps..
Its the impersonating a dr/nurse aspect I think."
Fairly commonly on here with said and other professions..  |
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