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The Sunday times article about the response to the virus

By *abio OP Man over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Wow....

Now if it had been the guardian that wrote that... people would be putting it down as lefty nonsense.....

But the Sunday times! Wow..... I don’t know whether to use the word damming or scathing

If the timeline is true and they knew all this.... And bearing in mind it’s one of the most loyal Tory papers that has splashed this, then a lot of heads need to go!... and by go I mean now! And that starts with the man at the top!

It’s a gross dereliction of duty and basically they all fell asleep at the wheel!

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By *ering SeaMan over a year ago

Penicuik

In a normal country The Sunday Times' revelations would probably bring down the government, but in a normal country the actions and policies which led to us getting here wouldn't have been able to happen - or, indeed, have been cheered on by the press.

It is a prime example of why folk have given up on MSM. They supported government in everything its done & still do.

They want us to buy their newspapers. Govt couldn't have got this far without knowing they could rely on media support. Government & MSM 2 cheeks of same arse.

In a normal country the government’s popularity probably wouldn’t increase proportionally to how badly it is handling a public health crisis.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wow....

Now if it had been the guardian that wrote that... people would be putting it down as lefty nonsense.....

But the Sunday times! Wow..... I don’t know whether to use the word damming or scathing

It’s a gross dereliction of duty and basically they all fell asleep at the wheel!"

I’ll put my hands up. I’ve been a Times subscriber for years. The reason? It’s actually one of the more balanced papers in my view and isn’t afraid to run against the government even though it is right leaning.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The Times is a conservative paper but it's not a Conservative Party paper.

This is damning, but the Tories have absorbed the populist nationalists and so probably don't much care what traditional conservatives think. The new right will defend him and denounce The Times.

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By *eeBee67Man over a year ago

Masked and Distant

And what does the article say?

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By *ools and the brainCouple over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

I am not disputing the article.

But if it's so damning and truthful then why is it only being made available to online subscribers only?

They just trying to make a few extra££££ out of it.

If it's such an important article it should be available to everyone.

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By *uninlondon69Man over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

Unfortunately, just like across the pond, his supporters are loyal to the point of being a cult. They've both gone full David Koresh though and chosen the route that kills off their own followers i.e. The elderly

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By *uxinteriorMan over a year ago

south west , continental

"I am not disputing the article.

But if it's so damning and truthful then why is it only being made available to online subscribers only?

They just trying to make a few extra££££ out of it.

If it's such an important article it should be available to everyone."

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By *uninlondon69Man over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

"I am not disputing the article.

But if it's so damning and truthful then why is it only being made available to online subscribers only?

They just trying to make a few extra££££ out of it.

If it's such an important article it should be available to everyone."

The ST is a pay paper. They won't take down the paywall for one article. I've read it on twitter this morning anyway.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am not disputing the article.

But if it's so damning and truthful then why is it only being made available to online subscribers only?

They just trying to make a few extra££££ out of it.

If it's such an important article it should be available to everyone."

It doesn't really say anything that's not reported elsewhere. The significance is simply that it's coming from a right leaning paper that traditionally supports the Tories regardless.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And what does the article say?"

According to Gove on TV this morning chunks of it are bollocks....but he hasn't been clear on which bits. He denied Boris had missed meetings and to be fair it wouldn't be normal for him to chair every one.

There is no doubt, however, that we had sufficient warning (despite China not being open/honest when it kicked off) to have been much better prepared in many areas.

Not sure about PPE as guess where most of the world's PPE comes from? And they weren't giving much of that away at the start....

I've posted previously that our lack of manufacturing capacity and reliance on China is a big factor in this.....but certainly not the only one. Big investigation needed when this is over....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And what does the article say?

There is no doubt, however, that we had sufficient warning (despite China not being open/honest when it kicked off) to have been much better prepared in many areas.

Not sure about PPE as guess where most of the world's PPE comes from? And they weren't giving much of that away at the start....

I've posted previously that our lack of manufacturing capacity and reliance on China is a big factor in this.....but certainly not the only one. Big investigation needed when this is over...."

Anyone who thinks there will be any meaningful investigation when this is over is kidding themselves.

Look what happened to the investigation to irregularities in the Leave Campaign. Found guilty, Johnson gets elected PM anyway.

Look what happened to Blair for going to war illegally in Iraq. Fuck all consequences.

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By *uninlondon69Man over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

It doesn't really say anything that's not reported elsewhere. The significance is simply that it's coming from a right leaning paper that traditionally supports the Tories regardless."

That's the significance though. The people who read it would normally dismiss it as "lefty propaganda" but it's coming to them from a trusted source.

Turkeys are being told that they voted for Christmas

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It doesn't really say anything that's not reported elsewhere. The significance is simply that it's coming from a right leaning paper that traditionally supports the Tories regardless.

That's the significance though. The people who read it would normally dismiss it as "lefty propaganda" but it's coming to them from a trusted source.

Turkeys are being told that they voted for Christmas

Very true. And while I'm sure some ST readers are reasonable people, and will take it in. As we can see, people are already in defend the Tories mode and will say anything to deflect from the story.

Expect the government and the Daily mail to crank up the xenophobia towards China in the coming days to deflect from this. As per the standard process.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Its utterly damming..I suspect its come from someone high up.

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By *abio OP Man over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"And what does the article say?

Well actually on Sophie ridge this morning the words he actually used is that “one or two of the bits were slightly off-beam” which as politicians go is about the weakest denial and rebuttal I think I have ever heard.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And what does the article say?

There is no doubt, however, that we had sufficient warning (despite China not being open/honest when it kicked off) to have been much better prepared in many areas.

Not sure about PPE as guess where most of the world's PPE comes from? And they weren't giving much of that away at the start....

I've posted previously that our lack of manufacturing capacity and reliance on China is a big factor in this.....but certainly not the only one. Big investigation needed when this is over...."

Gove's track record and the truth....hmm

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"And what does the article say?

There is no doubt, however, that we had sufficient warning (despite China not being open/honest when it kicked off) to have been much better prepared in many areas.

Not sure about PPE as guess where most of the world's PPE comes from? And they weren't giving much of that away at the start....

I've posted previously that our lack of manufacturing capacity and reliance on China is a big factor in this.....but certainly not the only one. Big investigation needed when this is over...."

The stuff about send ppe to China is inreal.

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By *irtuousBullMan over a year ago

lake district

I've read this also, the Sunday times with Tim Shipman do some great reporting, particularly on infighting etc within the government, the article is one of the most damning I've seen in some time though

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By *uliaChrisCouple over a year ago

westerham

Very impressed by people having read the article before 8am on a Sunday morning....

Anyway yes I think the government was slacking (Cheltenham, no checks at airports etc), but also China and WHO covering up events has been disastrous. Would have been helpful in a democracy to have had a functioning opposition as well.

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By *nto My ArmsMan over a year ago

Herts/London

Claps and badges though

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"I am not disputing the article.

But if it's so damning and truthful then why is it only being made available to online subscribers only?

They just trying to make a few extra££££ out of it.

If it's such an important article it should be available to everyone."

My thoughts too and no other media outlets have picked up on it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am not disputing the article.

But if it's so damning and truthful then why is it only being made available to online subscribers only?

They just trying to make a few extra££££ out of it.

If it's such an important article it should be available to everyone.

My thoughts too and no other media outlets have picked up on it."

! This has been reported everywhere for ages.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Very impressed by people having read the article before 8am on a Sunday morning....

Called it!

People deflecting already.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"I am not disputing the article.

But if it's so damning and truthful then why is it only being made available to online subscribers only?

They just trying to make a few extra££££ out of it.

If it's such an important article it should be available to everyone.

My thoughts too and no other media outlets have picked up on it."

Apart from the independent,the guardian,the European,the metro,bbc.

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By *uxinteriorMan over a year ago

south west , continental

"Very impressed by people having read the article before 8am on a Sunday morning....

Called it!

People deflecting already. "

Is it deflecting or having the right to have their opinion?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just seen the article on twitter.

Pretty damning if you ask me but nothing will come of it.

It does make me feel a tad angry at all the clapping for the NHS seen as staff have been consistently let down by Tory governments and so many of them pleaded with the electorate not to vote that way and staff are paying with their lives. A student nurse has died of this. A. Student. Nurse. If they do strike, they’ll get full support from me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Havent read it but got the gist of it from the paper reviews last night..so I might just pop down to the shop and buy a copy. But yeah it sound really damning and I would hope people would just see through this government of conmen/chances...but if here is to go by I won't hold my breath...

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.

"The Times is a conservative paper but it's not a Conservative Party paper.

"
This

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am not disputing the article.

But if it's so damning and truthful then why is it only being made available to online subscribers only?

They just trying to make a few extra££££ out of it.

If it's such an important article it should be available to everyone."

Politicians are putting out ‘important’ messages this way too. Matt Hancock, Boris Johnson and Kier Starmer have all done it and been criticised for it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Very impressed by people having read the article before 8am on a Sunday morning....

I think on the coronavirus situation Corbyn provided very good opposition and there are clips that have aged well of him constantly pleading with the government to take this more seriously. He did very well at PMQs as well.

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By *uxinteriorMan over a year ago

south west , continental

"The Times is a conservative paper but it's not a Conservative Party paper.

This

Agree

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"I am not disputing the article.

But if it's so damning and truthful then why is it only being made available to online subscribers only?

They just trying to make a few extra££££ out of it.

If it's such an important article it should be available to everyone.

My thoughts too and no other media outlets have picked up on it.

! This has been reported everywhere for ages. "

Thought I'd read most things...don't know how I missed that.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION. Stoke.

The ST is a pay paper. They won't take down the paywall for one article. I've read it on twitter this morning anyway. "

The Sunday Times ONLINE is a paywall paper - you can go to the shops and buy the PRINT copy.

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By *uttyjonnMan over a year ago

SEA

This will go round in circles with the government saying they took guidance from health professionals and WHO

It doesn't really help much and there are more important things to sort out

The economic pact will be huge, we will be paying for this for a long time, more austerity

Exit strategy - I don't believe the government has one

Volumes - they are hoping we are beyond the peak, but the number of deaths continue to be high

Have an inquest after this is over but let's focus on getting out of this mess

The briefings are going to turn into a bun fight

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

Has been good stuff in the i online. Accessable to everyone.

I know he's been seriously poorly but to digress from op (soz op) where's Boris atm?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The tory press are realising their core demographic dying is not good for business. Oddly the Tories haven't figured that out yet

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

"Has been good stuff in the i online. Accessable to everyone.

I know he's been seriously poorly but to digress from op (soz op) where's Boris atm? "

At Chequers recovering.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"Havent read it but got the gist of it from the paper reviews last night..so I might just pop down to the shop and buy a copy. But yeah it sound really damning and I would hope people would just see through this government of conmen/chances...but if here is to go by I won't hold my breath..."
Watch Gove on andrew marr and get the other side of the story before condemning the government.Love the way people today are ready to believe anything that fits their agenda.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Having dealt with the press in the forces I got a little understanding of them. The press is a business, the more exciting and sensational the story is, it pulls people in to reading and then they make more money on advertising. There has to be some truth to an extent but it’s rarely as big as they make it. Best bet is try and take in as much as possible from both sides of the political watershed and try and gauge an educated guess at the truth somewhere in between. The press always looks after it’s biggest backers and itself. Just be wary

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By *ch WellMan over a year ago

Scotland

"Havent read it but got the gist of it from the paper reviews last night..so I might just pop down to the shop and buy a copy. But yeah it sound really damning and I would hope people would just see through this government of conmen/chances...but if here is to go by I won't hold my breath...Watch Gove on andrew marr and get the other side of the story before condemning the government.Love the way people today are ready to believe anything that fits their agenda. "

Then watch him again on a different channel for yet another side. If Gove told me it was raining I'd go check out the window for myself. Wouldn't pay My attention to whAt he's saying on anything.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Having dealt with the press in the forces I got a little understanding of them. The press is a business, the more exciting and sensational the story is, it pulls people in to reading and then they make more money on advertising. There has to be some truth to an extent but it’s rarely as big as they make it. Best bet is try and take in as much as possible from both sides of the political watershed and try and gauge an educated guess at the truth somewhere in between. The press always looks after it’s biggest backers and itself. Just be wary"

So we should ignore,if true, that he missed 5 cobra meetings.....I'll say it again...5 cobra meetings. If that were a manager in any firm, they'd be gone

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just saying it’s a lot easier to take in what you want to be true. That’s why some people like the mail and some like the guardian. It all depends on what you want. In the interest of fairness there’s always the sun or the mirror for the children to read.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Havent read it but got the gist of it from the paper reviews last night..so I might just pop down to the shop and buy a copy. But yeah it sound really damning and I would hope people would just see through this government of conmen/chances...but if here is to go by I won't hold my breath...Watch Gove on andrew marr and get the other side of the story before condemning the government.Love the way people today are ready to believe anything that fits their agenda. "

No I have always thought they were a bunch of chancers...but many on here insist on keep wearing them rose tinted glasses while thinking boris is a bit of a lad. Reality is he is a twat who only thinks of himself imo...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just saying it’s a lot easier to take in what you want to be true. That’s why some people like the mail and some like the guardian. It all depends on what you want. In the interest of fairness there’s always the sun or the mirror for the children to read. "

Well, whatever you believe, pro Tory media is even turning on how this has been handled. The government only started looking at the care home issue after The Mail weighed in. Like I said,if he didn't go to those meetings, that is a serious case of negligence.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Havent read it but got the gist of it from the paper reviews last night..so I might just pop down to the shop and buy a copy. But yeah it sound really damning and I would hope people would just see through this government of conmen/chances...but if here is to go by I won't hold my breath...Watch Gove on andrew marr and get the other side of the story before condemning the government.Love the way people today are ready to believe anything that fits their agenda.

Then watch him again on a different channel for yet another side. If Gove told me it was raining I'd go check out the window for myself. Wouldn't pay My attention to whAt he's saying on anything."

Now on this thread we agree

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Healthy pinch of salt.

Be a lot easier to to point the finger at the end once all facts are known.

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By *abio OP Man over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

So we should ignore,if true, that he missed 5 cobra meetings.....I'll say it again...5 cobra meetings. If that were a manager in any firm, they'd be gone"

well we know that bit IS true.. because it is on the public record that Matt Hancock chaired all those meetings...

they are going to dispute the reason as to why BoJo missed them.. but since those COBRA meetings are as high as they go, it would need to be a bloody good reason!

I want to know if the report than in preparing in feb they gave away 260,000 bits of PPE to the chinese is true... because if it is, then we need to know why!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Healthy pinch of salt.

Be a lot easier to to point the finger at the end once all facts are known. "

Getting harder to ignore when the likes of The Times and Mail are turning...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So we should ignore,if true, that he missed 5 cobra meetings.....I'll say it again...5 cobra meetings. If that were a manager in any firm, they'd be gone

well we know that bit IS true.. because it is on the public record that Matt Hancock chaired all those meetings...

they are going to dispute the reason as to why BoJo missed them.. but since those COBRA meetings are as high as they go, it would need to be a bloody good reason!

I want to know if the report than in preparing in feb they gave away 260,000 bits of PPE to the chinese is true... because if it is, then we need to know why!"

This. Hey Fabio, I've seen a lot of your posts I like your style fella. Hope you are staying safe!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Breaking news (sorry op I havent the time to do a thread today)

Just come on news that the expected delivery of ppe due to come today will not be arriving today as there is a delay. Probably the cheque has bounced

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"Has been good stuff in the i online. Accessable to everyone.

I know he's been seriously poorly but to digress from op (soz op) where's Boris atm?

At Chequers recovering. "

I thought he might just do a quick online film saying 'hi' similar to to the one he did when he had his collar unbuttoned and looked poorly not long before he went into hospital.

I'm worried by his silence tbh and moreso by his comeback.

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By *hybloke67Man over a year ago

ROMFORD

So we should ignore,if true, that he missed 5 cobra meetings.....I'll say it again...5 cobra meetings. If that were a manager in any firm, they'd be gone

well we know that bit IS true.. because it is on the public record that Matt Hancock chaired all those meetings...

they are going to dispute the reason as to why BoJo missed them.. but since those COBRA meetings are as high as they go, it would need to be a bloody good reason!

I want to know if the report than in preparing in feb they gave away 260,000 bits of PPE to the chinese is true... because if it is, then we need to know why!"

Gove said on Andrew Marr yes we did send Wuhan in China PPE but since then China has sent us even more back.

I see it as it was where the virus started and they needed PPE so we helped.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

-Write a sensationalised opinion piece

-Stick it behind a paywall

-Rebuke anyone who shares it for free

Quite clear what the rationale behind this is

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

Deaths in Care Homes and Lack of PPE in the NHS have been just two recent moral panics.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It’s a constant developing situation. Getting irate over something at the moment none of us can do anything about won’t help. We may not like it but at the moment the only thing you can do that helps is do as you are told. These arguments always become a shit throwing contest between the ‘hippy’ left and the ‘fascist’ right. We just have to be as British as possible, pull our socks up, all pull in the same direction and once it’s done. Go to town. Have a protest any thing you want. But at the moment just get through day to day.

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By *oggoneMan over a year ago

Derry

So we should ignore,if true, that he missed 5 cobra meetings.....I'll say it again...5 cobra meetings. If that were a manager in any firm, they'd be gone

well we know that bit IS true.. because it is on the public record that Matt Hancock chaired all those meetings...

they are going to dispute the reason as to why BoJo missed them.. but since those COBRA meetings are as high as they go, it would need to be a bloody good reason!

I want to know if the report than in preparing in feb they gave away 260,000 bits of PPE to the chinese is true... because if it is, then we need to know why!"

They will say the PPE to china was humanitarian but the real reason I suspect was money. The Washington Post is reporting a similar story in the USA. US exports of PPE and ventilators for jan & feb 2020 show a massive increase from the corresponding months in 2019.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

So we should ignore,if true, that he missed 5 cobra meetings.....I'll say it again...5 cobra meetings. If that were a manager in any firm, they'd be gone

well we know that bit IS true.. because it is on the public record that Matt Hancock chaired all those meetings...

they are going to dispute the reason as to why BoJo missed them.. but since those COBRA meetings are as high as they go, it would need to be a bloody good reason!

I want to know if the report than in preparing in feb they gave away 260,000 bits of PPE to the chinese is true... because if it is, then we need to know why!"

That bit smacks of indifference or incompetence frankly..

At the time the WHO were telling nation States to prepare and to then give away vital ppe when there were findings previously raised to this government that ppe was an area of concern if a global pandemic occurred..

In Feb it was all but that in name so to have no one at the highest level of government think 'what if' is piss poor..

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By *moothCriminal_xMan over a year ago

Redditch

Honestly im massively anti-tory but im not a lefty either and never thought corbyn would be a good pm. Looking at what has happened there are def some ministers who have been terrible through this but the main failings are the fulfilment of a decade long set of policies that always threatened to leave the uk crippled financially and logistically.

If you voted tory or for brexit then you voted for this incompetence and calamity.

You keep saying "we know what you voted for". This is it. This is what you voted for.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

So we should ignore,if true, that he missed 5 cobra meetings.....I'll say it again...5 cobra meetings. If that were a manager in any firm, they'd be gone

well we know that bit IS true.. because it is on the public record that Matt Hancock chaired all those meetings...

they are going to dispute the reason as to why BoJo missed them.. but since those COBRA meetings are as high as they go, it would need to be a bloody good reason!

I want to know if the report than in preparing in feb they gave away 260,000 bits of PPE to the chinese is true... because if it is, then we need to know why!"
What gove on the marr show _abio answers your questions.

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"Havent read it but got the gist of it from the paper reviews last night..so I might just pop down to the shop and buy a copy. But yeah it sound really damning and I would hope people would just see through this government of conmen/chances...but if here is to go by I won't hold my breath...Watch Gove on andrew marr and get the other side of the story before condemning the government.Love the way people today are ready to believe anything that fits their agenda.

They got where they are by lying and sadly people seem happy to keep swallowing their lies

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s a constant developing situation. Getting irate over something at the moment none of us can do anything about won’t help. We may not like it but at the moment the only thing you can do that helps is do as you are told. These arguments always become a shit throwing contest between the ‘hippy’ left and the ‘fascist’ right. We just have to be as British as possible, pull our socks up, all pull in the same direction and once it’s done. Go to town. Have a protest any thing you want. But at the moment just get through day to day. "

Totally agree. If it comes out the government was responsible for more people losing their lives than needed...no forgiveness there

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How bad should we wait for things to get before we speak up?

How much goevrnment incompetence should we let slide?

How many people dying per day is worth saying something for? If 1000 isn't enough. 2000?

It's not only hippy lefties that are questioning this. Unless of course people consider the Sunday Times a hippy leftist rag.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

Fuck me mate that's easy to say when your not at the sharp end, it's the lions led by donkeys analogy from the slaughter of troops by REMFs sat safely behind the lions..

It's not about which political party you voted for last when your highlighting shortages of ppe as you've already seen colleagues die..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wow....

Now if it had been the guardian that wrote that... people would be putting it down as lefty nonsense.....

But the Sunday times! Wow..... I don’t know whether to use the word damming or scathing

It’s a gross dereliction of duty and basically they all fell asleep at the wheel!"
It's not just us try reading what's going on in Japan, this is world wide but no its all the tories fault. Shame labour never won then we all be going about as normal by now.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sabres rattling at the moment is of no use. No one what so ever has the full story of any of it. That only comes out over time. There’s too much information all over the place and it’s no collated yet. No one can put out anything as full proof yet as no investigation by an independent has been carried out. All we are getting is propaganda from both sides. Just ignore the blame stories till after.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Honestly im massively anti-tory but im not a lefty either and never thought corbyn would be a good pm. Looking at what has happened there are def some ministers who have been terrible through this but the main failings are the fulfilment of a decade long set of policies that always threatened to leave the uk crippled financially and logistically.

If you voted tory or for brexit then you voted for this incompetence and calamity.

You keep saying "we know what you voted for". This is it. This is what you voted for."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Very impressed by people having read the article before 8am on a Sunday morning....

Called it!

People deflecting already. "

Didn’t take long for the Boris fanboys to start blaming JC, pathetic as usual

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Havent read it but got the gist of it from the paper reviews last night..so I might just pop down to the shop and buy a copy. But yeah it sound really damning and I would hope people would just see through this government of conmen/chances...but if here is to go by I won't hold my breath...Watch Gove on andrew marr and get the other side of the story before condemning the government.Love the way people today are ready to believe anything that fits their agenda.

They got where they are by lying and sadly people seem happy to keep swallowing their lies

As I said on another thread it reminds me of Life of Brian...its like a bloidy cult where they can do no wrong.

The handling of this has been atrocious.

But they keep defending the undefendable ffs!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sabres rattling at the moment is of no use. No one what so ever has the full story of any of it. That only comes out over time. There’s too much information all over the place and it’s no collated yet. No one can put out anything as full proof yet as no investigation by an independent has been carried out. All we are getting is propaganda from both sides. Just ignore the blame stories till after. "

Why?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Can those attacking the credibility of the article offer an explanation why they think a traditionally tory paper owned by Murdoch would suddenly attack the PM and government in such a way? What do you think their motivation is?

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By *moothCriminal_xMan over a year ago

Redditch

Now is when the government need holding to account because we need to make sure the system is working to save lives. Past mistakes need to be learned from and they need to be clear and explicit when it comes to ppe supply chains and testing/contact tracing. The longer this goes on tje more the initial policy seems nuts.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

Haven't read the article, just shocked that people are shocked. I'm shocked that support for the governments coronavirus response is 66%, although it might drop now. If anyone's been checking the death toll trends and comparing them to other countries, how could there not a be a colossal fuck up in the system? We are about the 4th worst performing country in the world and still have a good chance to take the wooden spoon home.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So we should ignore,if true, that he missed 5 cobra meetings.....I'll say it again...5 cobra meetings. If that were a manager in any firm, they'd be gone

well we know that bit IS true.. because it is on the public record that Matt Hancock chaired all those meetings...

they are going to dispute the reason as to why BoJo missed them.. but since those COBRA meetings are as high as they go, it would need to be a bloody good reason!

I want to know if the report than in preparing in feb they gave away 260,000 bits of PPE to the chinese is true... because if it is, then we need to know why!"

Is there something I'm missing about PPE as I'm confused why we're struggling to get our hands on it? Isn't it just gowns, masks, gloves & goggles? Why do we need to ship them in from abroad when surely we have the materials and labour in the UK to churn this stuff out? Yes, no doubt it will be cheaper to make in the sweatshops of Asia but do we really need to be thinking about saving a few quid when people are dying needlessly?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Now is when the government need holding to account because we need to make sure the system is working to save lives. Past mistakes need to be learned from and they need to be clear and explicit when it comes to ppe supply chains and testing/contact tracing. The longer this goes on tje more the initial policy seems nuts."

I shudder whenever I hear the phrase 'lessons learnt'. Governments don't learn lessons. We did a practice run of a virus outbreak in 2016 and ran out of PPE. No lessons were learnt. They never are.

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By *hybloke67Man over a year ago

ROMFORD

If you voted tory or for brexit then you voted for this incompetence and calamity.

You keep saying "we know what you voted for". This is it. This is what you voted for."

I'm still happy we never got a Corbyn, McDonnell & Abbott government. Thanks for reminding me what we could of had leading us at this time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Tell that to the NHS workers whose colleagues are dying . Tell that to the family members of the 1000s of people who have died. If mistakes have been made and are still being made then the people responsible need to be held accountable now so things can be rectified before it’s to late .

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

If you voted tory or for brexit then you voted for this incompetence and calamity.

You keep saying "we know what you voted for". This is it. This is what you voted for.

I'm still happy we never got a Corbyn, McDonnell & Abbott government. Thanks for reminding me what we could of had leading us at this time."

Me too, that's the main thing I've been grateful for. Corbyn would have used this to hijack the economy and turn us into his model country: Venezuela.

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By *oggoneMan over a year ago

Derry

"Havent read it but got the gist of it from the paper reviews last night..so I might just pop down to the shop and buy a copy. But yeah it sound really damning and I would hope people would just see through this government of conmen/chances...but if here is to go by I won't hold my breath...Watch Gove on andrew marr and get the other side of the story before condemning the government.Love the way people today are ready to believe anything that fits their agenda.

They got where they are by lying and sadly people seem happy to keep swallowing their lies

As I said on another thread it reminds me of Life of Brian...its like a bloidy cult where they can do no wrong.

The handling of this has been atrocious.

But they keep defending the undefendable ffs!"

It's the tis but a scratch scene from the Holy Grail I'm reminded of

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you voted tory or for brexit then you voted for this incompetence and calamity.

You keep saying "we know what you voted for". This is it. This is what you voted for.

I'm still happy we never got a Corbyn, McDonnell & Abbott government. Thanks for reminding me what we could of had leading us at this time."

So the only reason you voted for the Tories is because they weren’t labour? You obviously haven’t got a clue what you voted for then

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you voted tory or for brexit then you voted for this incompetence and calamity.

You keep saying "we know what you voted for". This is it. This is what you voted for.

I'm still happy we never got a Corbyn, McDonnell & Abbott government. Thanks for reminding me what we could of had leading us at this time."

Hey! No fuckers could have made a worse job then these. And you mention Abbott...boris has made more fuck ups then her and he got voted as the Tory leader. Then ffs he got a massive vote to become PM. You couldn't bloody write it ffs!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you voted tory or for brexit then you voted for this incompetence and calamity.

You keep saying "we know what you voted for". This is it. This is what you voted for.

I'm still happy we never got a Corbyn, McDonnell & Abbott government. Thanks for reminding me what we could of had leading us at this time.

Me too, that's the main thing I've been grateful for. Corbyn would have used this to hijack the economy and turn us into his model country: Venezuela. "

You voted for the Tories because you don’t like Corbyn?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And there we have it, "yeah but Corbyn" the absolute weakest argument ever.

Come on people that voted tory and Johnson, surely you can find a more substantial argument than that to defend Johnson's ineptitude

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And what does the article say?

There is no doubt, however, that we had sufficient warning (despite China not being open/honest when it kicked off) to have been much better prepared in many areas.

Not sure about PPE as guess where most of the world's PPE comes from? And they weren't giving much of that away at the start....

I've posted previously that our lack of manufacturing capacity and reliance on China is a big factor in this.....but certainly not the only one. Big investigation needed when this is over...."

It's very normal for the PM to chair every COBRA meeting, they may miss the odd one but certainly not 5 in a row. COBRA meetings are not your run of the mill, regularly scheduled cabinet meetings, they are only called when there is a very serious matter to be discussed.

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By *hybloke67Man over a year ago

ROMFORD

So we should ignore,if true, that he missed 5 cobra meetings.....I'll say it again...5 cobra meetings. If that were a manager in any firm, they'd be gone

well we know that bit IS true.. because it is on the public record that Matt Hancock chaired all those meetings...

they are going to dispute the reason as to why BoJo missed them.. but since those COBRA meetings are as high as they go, it would need to be a bloody good reason!

I want to know if the report than in preparing in feb they gave away 260,000 bits of PPE to the chinese is true... because if it is, then we need to know why!

I'm guessing it's the amount being used is the problem.

I heard a figure of we need 30k to 40k a day in London when they were talking about the plastic aprons.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And what does the article say?

There is no doubt, however, that we had sufficient warning (despite China not being open/honest when it kicked off) to have been much better prepared in many areas.

Not sure about PPE as guess where most of the world's PPE comes from? And they weren't giving much of that away at the start....

I've posted previously that our lack of manufacturing capacity and reliance on China is a big factor in this.....but certainly not the only one. Big investigation needed when this is over....

Exactly, tbh though he wound have been better staying on holiday. We are being led by an idiot who initially told us all to ‘take it in the chin’ then wilfully admitted to shaking hands with a ward full of Coronavirus patients and subsequently caught the disease , that is a whole new level of stupid

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As usual we are going to get the "This isn't the time to be political, wait until it's all over" nonsense from the Tory shills but what happens when it's all over? We were told to wait until it was all over when we complained about Russian interference in the Brexit vote and the government has now been sitting on that report since last year?

Sadly there are far too many people who would rather double down on their support for the people who are putting our nurses, doctors and care workers in danger on a daily basis than admit they were wrong to vote for them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So we should ignore,if true, that he missed 5 cobra meetings.....I'll say it again...5 cobra meetings. If that were a manager in any firm, they'd be gone

well we know that bit IS true.. because it is on the public record that Matt Hancock chaired all those meetings...

they are going to dispute the reason as to why BoJo missed them.. but since those COBRA meetings are as high as they go, it would need to be a bloody good reason!

I want to know if the report than in preparing in feb they gave away 260,000 bits of PPE to the chinese is true... because if it is, then we need to know why!

I'm guessing it's the amount being used is the problem.

I heard a figure of we need 30k to 40k a day in London when they were talking about the plastic aprons.

I just find it amazing that we've got so many companies diversifying in order to survive the current crisis by generating new income streams that we can't manufacture such basic items like PPE. We must have thousands of factories lying dormant at the moment that have the capabilities as we're not exactly taking building cars/computers etc here.

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By *oggoneMan over a year ago

Derry

"And what does the article say?

There is no doubt, however, that we had sufficient warning (despite China not being open/honest when it kicked off) to have been much better prepared in many areas.

Not sure about PPE as guess where most of the world's PPE comes from? And they weren't giving much of that away at the start....

I've posted previously that our lack of manufacturing capacity and reliance on China is a big factor in this.....but certainly not the only one. Big investigation needed when this is over....

The boy Boris is playing a blinder. He has a sick note, his cabinet are taking all the shit for this. He'll reappear to rally the flagging and dispirited and everything will be great again.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So we should ignore,if true, that he missed 5 cobra meetings.....I'll say it again...5 cobra meetings. If that were a manager in any firm, they'd be gone

well we know that bit IS true.. because it is on the public record that Matt Hancock chaired all those meetings...

they are going to dispute the reason as to why BoJo missed them.. but since those COBRA meetings are as high as they go, it would need to be a bloody good reason!

I want to know if the report than in preparing in feb they gave away 260,000 bits of PPE to the chinese is true... because if it is, then we need to know why!

I'm guessing it's the amount being used is the problem.

I heard a figure of we need 30k to 40k a day in London when they were talking about the plastic aprons.

We are using 150,000 protective gowns a day, that's gowns not aprons, and the government trumpeted that we were getting a delivery of 50,000. That's 8 hours worth of vital protection for NHS staff that almost certainly won't make it out of the South East due to the massive demand in London.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So we should ignore,if true, that he missed 5 cobra meetings.....I'll say it again...5 cobra meetings. If that were a manager in any firm, they'd be gone

well we know that bit IS true.. because it is on the public record that Matt Hancock chaired all those meetings...

they are going to dispute the reason as to why BoJo missed them.. but since those COBRA meetings are as high as they go, it would need to be a bloody good reason!

I want to know if the report than in preparing in feb they gave away 260,000 bits of PPE to the chinese is true... because if it is, then we need to know why!

I'm guessing it's the amount being used is the problem.

I heard a figure of we need 30k to 40k a day in London when they were talking about the plastic aprons.

The government have to ask them to do that though, and ordering massive quantities of equipment is something they seem to be doing only from their donors.

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By *hybloke67Man over a year ago

ROMFORD

If you voted tory or for brexit then you voted for this incompetence and calamity.

You keep saying "we know what you voted for". This is it. This is what you voted for.

I'm still happy we never got a Corbyn, McDonnell & Abbott government. Thanks for reminding me what we could of had leading us at this time.

So the only reason you voted for the Tories is because they weren’t labour? You obviously haven’t got a clue what you voted for then "

OK for the record I have voted for both Labour and Conservative in past General Elections.

I listen, read and watch the campaign of both sides.

I then make my decision on what I think would be best.

Voting is a personal choice and should always be so.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So we should ignore,if true, that he missed 5 cobra meetings.....I'll say it again...5 cobra meetings. If that were a manager in any firm, they'd be gone

well we know that bit IS true.. because it is on the public record that Matt Hancock chaired all those meetings...

they are going to dispute the reason as to why BoJo missed them.. but since those COBRA meetings are as high as they go, it would need to be a bloody good reason!

I want to know if the report than in preparing in feb they gave away 260,000 bits of PPE to the chinese is true... because if it is, then we need to know why!

I'm guessing it's the amount being used is the problem.

I heard a figure of we need 30k to 40k a day in London when they were talking about the plastic aprons.

And it's not coming today...its on the RAF planes ready to go but it has been delayed...I wonder why...

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By *abio OP Man over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i really don't want to hear the "what about corbyn, abbot, ectt" shit... because that is just deflection!

we have the govt we have... and THIS gov are making a pigs ear of it its looking more and more like the same mistake trump did in the US..

they were given warning... they had time to prepare... they took it far less seriously than their counterparts in other countries! and this happened...

remember boris famously saying he was shacking hands with Covid patients... yeah, not such a wise quip now!!!!!

those should be help accountable.. i don't want a "post game analysis" where the promise to learn from mistakes... this is why you gameplan and hold practice emergencies sessions!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And what does the article say?

There is no doubt, however, that we had sufficient warning (despite China not being open/honest when it kicked off) to have been much better prepared in many areas.

Not sure about PPE as guess where most of the world's PPE comes from? And they weren't giving much of that away at the start....

I've posted previously that our lack of manufacturing capacity and reliance on China is a big factor in this.....but certainly not the only one. Big investigation needed when this is over....

I saw Michael Gove on the AM show this morning, he seems to be a credible and capable politician.

I certainly don't know more about the mechanics of COBRA meetings than he does.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you voted tory or for brexit then you voted for this incompetence and calamity.

You keep saying "we know what you voted for". This is it. This is what you voted for.

I'm still happy we never got a Corbyn, McDonnell & Abbott government. Thanks for reminding me what we could of had leading us at this time.

So the only reason you voted for the Tories is because they weren’t labour? You obviously haven’t got a clue what you voted for then

OK for the record I have voted for both Labour and Conservative in past General Elections.

I listen, read and watch the campaign of both sides.

I then make my decision on what I think would be best.

Voting is a personal choice and should always be so."

I agree. So people trying to deflect the ineptitude of the government during the current crisis by suggesting it would have been worse under Labour is pointless and pathetic?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And what does the article say?

There is no doubt, however, that we had sufficient warning (despite China not being open/honest when it kicked off) to have been much better prepared in many areas.

Not sure about PPE as guess where most of the world's PPE comes from? And they weren't giving much of that away at the start....

I've posted previously that our lack of manufacturing capacity and reliance on China is a big factor in this.....but certainly not the only one. Big investigation needed when this is over....

I saw Michael Gove on the AM show this morning, he seems to be a credible and capable politician.

I certainly don't know more about the mechanics of COBRA meetings than he does.

Give me one reason why Boris wasn’t at 5 COBRA meetings?

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

If you voted tory or for brexit then you voted for this incompetence and calamity.

You keep saying "we know what you voted for". This is it. This is what you voted for.

I'm still happy we never got a Corbyn, McDonnell & Abbott government. Thanks for reminding me what we could of had leading us at this time.

So the only reason you voted for the Tories is because they weren’t labour? You obviously haven’t got a clue what you voted for then

OK for the record I have voted for both Labour and Conservative in past General Elections.

I listen, read and watch the campaign of both sides.

I then make my decision on what I think would be best.

Voting is a personal choice and should always be so.

I agree. So people trying to deflect the ineptitude of the government during the current crisis by suggesting it would have been worse under Labour is pointless and pathetic? "

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By *hybloke67Man over a year ago

ROMFORD

If you voted tory or for brexit then you voted for this incompetence and calamity.

You keep saying "we know what you voted for". This is it. This is what you voted for.

I'm still happy we never got a Corbyn, McDonnell & Abbott government. Thanks for reminding me what we could of had leading us at this time.

So the only reason you voted for the Tories is because they weren’t labour? You obviously haven’t got a clue what you voted for then

OK for the record I have voted for both Labour and Conservative in past General Elections.

I listen, read and watch the campaign of both sides.

I then make my decision on what I think would be best.

Voting is a personal choice and should always be so.

I agree. So people trying to deflect the ineptitude of the government during the current crisis by suggesting it would have been worse under Labour is pointless and pathetic? "

Not at all. I was replying to you get what you voted for I was stating I'm glad we never got Corbyn in charge.

That's stating a fact.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Booooooooooring. Papers have fuck all else to do than keep saying the same shite. More 'experts' in the media than on fab, and that takes some doing

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Don’t argue with the stupid. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

You can ignore every single person on here. No one is totally informed on the matter.

Just sit back and laugh at the nutters.

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"And what does the article say?

There is no doubt, however, that we had sufficient warning (despite China not being open/honest when it kicked off) to have been much better prepared in many areas.

Not sure about PPE as guess where most of the world's PPE comes from? And they weren't giving much of that away at the start....

I've posted previously that our lack of manufacturing capacity and reliance on China is a big factor in this.....but certainly not the only one. Big investigation needed when this is over....

The boy Boris is playing a blinder. He has a sick note, his cabinet are taking all the shit for this. He'll reappear to rally the flagging and dispirited and everything will be great again."

Hmmmm. I'm worried he'll come back almost trailing a super hero cloak behind him. Swishing it around and solving all our problems in one foul swoop by completely privatising our health services.

And then everyone'll clap him

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"i really don't want to hear the "what about corbyn, abbot, ectt" shit... because that is just deflection!

we have the govt we have... and THIS gov are making a pigs ear of it its looking more and more like the same mistake trump did in the US..

they were given warning... they had time to prepare... they took it far less seriously than their counterparts in other countries! and this happened...

remember boris famously saying he was shacking hands with Covid patients... yeah, not such a wise quip now!!!!!

those should be help accountable.. i don't want a "post game analysis" where the promise to learn from mistakes... this is why you gameplan and hold practice emergencies sessions! "

1. The findings of operation cygnus need to be released to the public

2. After this is done, there should be an enquiry into how shit the response was and heads must roll

3. Patrick Vallance and Chris Whitty should be fired yesterday

4. The government should throw away that piece of crap model from imperial university

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

"And what does the article say?

There is no doubt, however, that we had sufficient warning (despite China not being open/honest when it kicked off) to have been much better prepared in many areas.

Not sure about PPE as guess where most of the world's PPE comes from? And they weren't giving much of that away at the start....

I've posted previously that our lack of manufacturing capacity and reliance on China is a big factor in this.....but certainly not the only one. Big investigation needed when this is over....

I saw Michael Gove on the AM show this morning, he seems to be a credible and capable politician.

I certainly don't know more about the mechanics of COBRA meetings than he does.

Give me one reason why Boris wasn’t at 5 COBRA meetings? "

Wiff Waff

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Don’t argue with the stupid. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

You can ignore every single person on here. No one is totally informed on the matter.

Just sit back and laugh at the nutters. "

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

As the warnings grew louder, the government was distracted by Brexit. On testing, contact tracing and equipment supply, there was a failure to prepare.

How did Britain Get its Response to Coronavirus so wrong?

In today's Observer.

All together now: 'tut, what do you expect from that paper'

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You can’t use media articles as evidence. No court accepts it. Couldn’t use them in my degree. Some hard facts. Sometimes you aren’t told the full story because you don’t need to know it. The press doesn’t need to know it. The press aren’t being given the full facts and they know it and it upsets them because they want to sell papers and get some money.

You’ll be given full knowledge in time. You’ll be better spending your energies on your loved ones.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"-Write a sensationalised opinion piece

-Stick it behind a paywall

-Rebuke anyone who shares it for free

Quite clear what the rationale behind this is

It's a sensational story

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You can’t use media articles as evidence. No court accepts it. Couldn’t use them in my degree. Some hard facts. Sometimes you aren’t told the full story because you don’t need to know it. The press doesn’t need to know it. The press aren’t being given the full facts and they know it and it upsets them because they want to sell papers and get some money.

You’ll be given full knowledge in time. You’ll be better spending your energies on your loved ones. "

Did you by any chance vote Conservative?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You’ll be given full knowledge in time. You’ll be better spending your energies on your loved ones. "

I genuinely don't understand people who have no desire to question authority, the government and the people making the decisions. Especially when they're shown to be incompetent at their supposed jobs and people are dying as a result.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

So we should ignore,if true, that he missed 5 cobra meetings.....I'll say it again...5 cobra meetings. If that were a manager in any firm, they'd be gone

well we know that bit IS true.. because it is on the public record that Matt Hancock chaired all those meetings...

they are going to dispute the reason as to why BoJo missed them.. but since those COBRA meetings are as high as they go, it would need to be a bloody good reason!

I want to know if the report than in preparing in feb they gave away 260,000 bits of PPE to the chinese is true... because if it is, then we need to know why!

Gove said on Andrew Marr yes we did send Wuhan in China PPE but since then China has sent us even more back.

I see it as it was where the virus started and they needed PPE so we helped. "

We were told we were dangerously low on ppe

We were told it would without a doubt be coming here

But Hancock said we were ready

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Very impressed by people having read the article before 8am on a Sunday morning....

Called it!

People deflecting already.

Didn’t take long for the Boris fanboys to start blaming JC, pathetic as usual "

Set your watch by it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

So we should ignore,if true, that he missed 5 cobra meetings.....I'll say it again...5 cobra meetings. If that were a manager in any firm, they'd be gone

well we know that bit IS true.. because it is on the public record that Matt Hancock chaired all those meetings...

they are going to dispute the reason as to why BoJo missed them.. but since those COBRA meetings are as high as they go, it would need to be a bloody good reason!

I want to know if the report than in preparing in feb they gave away 260,000 bits of PPE to the chinese is true... because if it is, then we need to know why!

I just dont think we make them here

We make very little here tbh

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By *alcon43Woman over a year ago

Paisley

"Breaking news (sorry op I havent the time to do a thread today)

Just come on news that the expected delivery of ppe due to come today will not be arriving today as there is a delay. Probably the cheque has bounced

A flight landed at Prestwick Airport full of PPE so we are getting supplies in the west of Scotland.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You’ll be given full knowledge in time. You’ll be better spending your energies on your loved ones.

I will question authority but only once I’ve got the knowledge to do so. At the moment there is no way to gain the knowledge. We are stuck at home being fed by the media and it’s an industry that isn’t ethical in how it works. It’s biased, crorrupt and greedy. Like putting a case in front of a judge. It takes time to gather the evidence and so far unbiased evidence is hard to get hold of. And you can’t use anything from the press as evidence.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Booooooooooring. Papers have fuck all else to do than keep saying the same shite. More 'experts' in the media than on fab, and that takes some doing

Irony meter has just gone off the scale

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Breaking news (sorry op I havent the time to do a thread today)

Just come on news that the expected delivery of ppe due to come today will not be arriving today as there is a delay. Probably the cheque has bounced

A flight landed at Prestwick Airport full of PPE so we are getting supplies in the west of Scotland. "

I dont know but all of them 84 tonnes from Turkey are still on hold in Turkey...so it's not them.