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How do you think our government have coped with covid19

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By *ooney OP Couple over a year ago

Chester

My view is lock down should have been 4 weeks sooner. The German government dealt with the crisis far better.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Off to the virus forum with you!!

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By *ooney OP Couple over a year ago

Chester

Off we go.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

Should have planned and organised from January. Then introduced wider testing and contact tracing for those infected, for those to be isolated. NHS etc would have had more resources from a January ordering. Lockdown from earlier in March.

They have been a shambles and still appear not to have much of a plan or able to manage it well. Today, hospitals running out of gowns for staff and not enough delivered to last for the weekend.

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By *ticky 69Man over a year ago

Stirling

It's all been too little, too late. The government was so focussed on Brexit it didn't regiater the potential gravity of the situation, then downplayed it, before an academic pointed out the UK was on course for 250,000 deaths unless we went into oockdown. Complete contrast with NHS and the care sector - lions led by donkeys.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If we had gone into lockdown in January that would be over 12 weeks now do you think companies and the government could have afforded that. Hard I know but true, it's not easy balancing lives and money got to be realistic.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Wonders how this will go..

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By *arewithmeMan over a year ago

Craven Arms

Could hardly have done a worse job, they have blood on there hands.

I traveled from NZ 3 weeks ago, arrived at Heathrow Airport, no check, no questions, nothing, freely walked out of the airport.

If i hadn't known of the virus by watching the news i'd have just thought, this is quiet even for a Sunday.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The govern acted late, but what is worst is that the current lockdown is too soft.

If you look at the mobility data from various countries UK is underperforming. I see more and more cars everyday and many people clearly flouting the rules, at least in London.

That is the biggest problem.

We are "plateauing" since way too many days. We should be already descending and we are not, this is not even a peak yet.

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By *lashnannieCouple over a year ago

Dundee

Not impressed at all. Testing and tracing proving key to controlling this thing, we aren't doing this. Procurement of ppe and equipment, we didn't take up 3 invitations from the eu because we put brexit before lives. Placing Covid positive elderly back in care homes because they don't require emergency care. We can't tell how many are dead on any given day because we don't have the information. Critical reports on BBC website in the morning are gone by lunchtime. Lies and more lies from our politicians, who care more about their popularity than informing their public with the truth. Could go on but I'm boring myself now...

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"The govern acted late, but what is worst is that the current lockdown is too soft.

If you look at the mobility data from various countries UK is underperforming. I see more and more cars everyday and many people clearly flouting the rules, at least in London.

That is the biggest problem.

We are "plateauing" since way too many days. We should be already descending and we are not, this is not even a peak yet."

14000 odd dead not including care homes.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Ppe is the worst..a week ago he was saying there is enough to go round and today he is saying he cant wave a magic wand.

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By *hickennchipsWoman over a year ago

up above the streets and houses

They did what they thought was best at the time. Nobody knew how to react, these are unknown circumstances. Sod having their job!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"They did what they thought was best at the time. Nobody knew how to react, these are unknown circumstances. Sod having their job!

In fairness. Everyone else seemed to know what to do in other countries around us.

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS over a year ago

doncaster

Do you think they were too occupied by Brexit to think out of that box clearly ??

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By *arewithmeMan over a year ago

Craven Arms

"They did what they thought was best at the time. Nobody knew how to react, these are unknown circumstances. Sod having their job!

That's the problem, they did what they thought was best,,,,, they didn't have a clue on what to do, even though other countries had acted weeks before the UK did.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do you think they were too occupied by Brexit to think out of that box clearly ?? "

They were to busy drinking champagne after the December election....I think they are still in a long hangover.

And I think they have dealt with it abysmally to say the least...

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By *uck-RogersMan over a year ago

Tarka trail

During WW2 every man woman and child was issued with a gas mask in the uk.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"During WW2 every man woman and child was issued with a gas mask in the uk.

We'll be lucky to get a snot rag...

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By *omtom7Man over a year ago

Tralee

I think the Irish government hasn't done too bad and I'd normally be no fan of them, but credit where it's due.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The govern acted late, but what is worst is that the current lockdown is too soft.

If you look at the mobility data from various countries UK is underperforming. I see more and more cars everyday and many people clearly flouting the rules, at least in London.

That is the biggest problem.

We are "plateauing" since way too many days. We should be already descending and we are not, this is not even a peak yet."

We're plateauing re hospital admissions, therefore peak of fatalities should be just before end of April.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"I think the Irish government hasn't done too bad and I'd normally be no fan of them, but credit where it's due."

Their death rate is half of ours.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The govern acted late, but what is worst is that the current lockdown is too soft.

If you look at the mobility data from various countries UK is underperforming. I see more and more cars everyday and many people clearly flouting the rules, at least in London.

That is the biggest problem.

We are "plateauing" since way too many days. We should be already descending and we are not, this is not even a peak yet.

We're plateauing re hospital admissions, therefore peak of fatalities should be just before end of April. "

That's if the staff havent downed tools and left as the lack of ppe is putting thier lifes and families in jeopardy.

Absolutely state of affairs...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Absolutely ridiculous* state of affairs

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How the world is upside down one moment a conservative government and there voter's are cheering defeating a pay rise for the nhs and calling care workers low skilled next thing there saying there fighting a war for us.

The government can't even give them ppe to try to keep them safe as possible but still least care workers are to get a shitty plastic badge.

Never forget if it was not for the Labour government after the second world war we would not have a NHS.

After this we need the same change we had after that war a government that cares for the weak not kicks them when down

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By *ctionnotwords69Man over a year ago

ENFIELD

Thing is...our Pandemic readiness was already shown to be lacking in 2016 when UK Govt. ran a 3 day test exercise - it was a total failure and none of the post-recommendations were acted on - Cygnis Report.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think the Irish government hasn't done too bad and I'd normally be no fan of them, but credit where it's due.

Their death rate is half of ours."
That's got to be the most stupid answer, people quoting numbers. We have 5 times the population so half are rate means they fucked up big time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They are a bunch of con men and chancers who are also totally incompetent

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By *xXgemmaXxXCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"They did what they thought was best at the time. Nobody knew how to react, these are unknown circumstances. Sod having their job!

They did have an idea though or should have as in 2016 the government carried out operation Cygnus which was a simulation of an influenza pandemic. The findings were the NHS would be close to collapse and we were woefully short of resources in particular ventilators. The full report findings are classified.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"They did what they thought was best at the time. Nobody knew how to react, these are unknown circumstances. Sod having their job!

Also findings tonight has shown what I always knew...ventilators dont work...the none invasive bubble type do.

Been telling everyone for months...if you end up in try to fight off the full ventilator procedure...

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"I think the Irish government hasn't done too bad and I'd normally be no fan of them, but credit where it's due.

Their death rate is half of ours.That's got to be the most stupid answer, people quoting numbers. We have 5 times the population so half are rate means they fucked up big time. "

I didnt mean actual numbers..the actual rate per head of the population.

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By *uiet confidenceMan over a year ago

Warrington

I’ve never voted Conservative (and likely never will) but I actually don’t think their actions have been too bad. The problem (to me) is that instead of being honest and transparent about problems, the government has tried to deny, then deflect and so is rightly getting a lot of flack for its response.

What is completely fair though, is criticism of the defunding of the NHS in the years before this crisis hit, which has made it much harder for it to respond with sufficient agility to the problem.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The govern acted late, but what is worst is that the current lockdown is too soft.

If you look at the mobility data from various countries UK is underperforming. I see more and more cars everyday and many people clearly flouting the rules, at least in London.

That is the biggest problem.

We are "plateauing" since way too many days. We should be already descending and we are not, this is not even a peak yet.

We're plateauing re hospital admissions, therefore peak of fatalities should be just before end of April. "

What I'm arguing is that now numbers are stable, but they are not decreasing too much. This is not yet a peak and we have no guarantee that it will be a peak. The lockdown is having some effect, but is not strong enough. And we didn't see the effect of Easter weekend yet.

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By *L RogueMan over a year ago

London

"I’ve never voted Conservative (and likely never will) but I actually don’t think their actions have been too bad. The problem (to me) is that instead of being honest and transparent about problems, the government has tried to deny, then deflect and so is rightly getting a lot of flack for its response.

What is completely fair though, is criticism of the defunding of the NHS in the years before this crisis hit, which has made it much harder for it to respond with sufficient agility to the problem."

This!

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By *m A FuckerMan over a year ago

kingswood,surrey/leysdown kent

all public transport should have been shut down!!

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By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

"I think the Irish government hasn't done too bad and I'd normally be no fan of them, but credit where it's due.

Their death rate is half of ours.That's got to be the most stupid answer, people quoting numbers. We have 5 times the population so half are rate means they fucked up big time. "

That's not what it means at all......have you been to the Priti Patel school of numeracy?

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By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

"all public transport should have been shut down!!"

How would key workers have got to their jobs then in places like London?

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By *host63Man over a year ago

Bedfont Feltham

Totally agree. And even now they are more focussed on bloody brexit.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

the government are not focussed on brexit. That’s a silly statement to make when you see the work and focus that is going into dealing with covid19

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By *ob198XaMan over a year ago

teleford

Who’s responsibility is it to have secure PPE supply chains in a democratic state.... it that the job of the health secretary or the job of NHS planner and supply chain managers? Failure to foresee that relying in a just in time, international supply chain is simply inexcusable!

The UK government has done as good a job as can be expected in the circumstances. The big failures lie with a lack of foresight and planning by previous governments and their shadows.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Who’s responsibility is it to have secure PPE supply chains in a democratic state.... it that the job of the health secretary or the job of NHS planner and supply chain managers? Failure to foresee that relying in a just in time, international supply chain is simply inexcusable!

The UK government has done as good a job as can be expected in the circumstances. The big failures lie with a lack of foresight and planning by previous governments and their shadows."

Classic. Blame a government from more than ten years ago for the current failings.

Some people really will tell themselves anything to justify being a Tory.

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By *dsindyTV/TS over a year ago

East Lancashire

The UK government has done as good a job as can be expected in the circumstances. The big failures lie with a lack of foresight and planning by previous governments and their shadows.

Classic. Blame a government from more than ten years ago for the current failings.

Some people really will tell themselves anything to justify being a Tory."

To be fair, he does say governments....plural, so might be inferring both Conservative AND Labour govt...........might.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The UK government has done as good a job as can be expected in the circumstances. The big failures lie with a lack of foresight and planning by previous governments and their shadows."

This government has had three months to get this in hand....previous governments did not know it was going to happen.

So I lay the blame firmly on this incompetent government....no excuses and no buck passing on this one!

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By *uninlondon69Man over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

What is completely fair though, is criticism of the defunding of the NHS in the years before this crisis hit, which has made it much harder for it to respond with sufficient agility to the problem."

Honesty is their major weakness. Nobody will hold their hands up and say "sorry, I made a mistake". It's always someone else's fault.

"We followed the science" - Really? The WHO said test, test, test.

The daily briefing is a joke. It's like when footballers get interviewed but can only give the answers their PR team allow, regardless of what the questions are.

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By *eah BabyCouple over a year ago

Cheshire, Windermere ,Cumbria

The UK government has done as good a job as can be expected in the circumstances. The big failures lie with a lack of foresight and planning by previous governments and their shadows."

It would be the NHS supply chain I would think, with each hospital requisitioning items they require but as this is something new to everyone who knew how much to order for each hospital and probably by the time they realised the vast quantities that were going to be needed it was to late as others had taken the stocks that were out there and manufacturers were shutting their doors so limiting supply to the millions that need it. Not sure I would call it a failure as the WHO originally said it was a low risk virus so people can only act from the information given at that time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The UK government has done as good a job as can be expected in the circumstances. The big failures lie with a lack of foresight and planning by previous governments and their shadows.

Why the hell did we not set up Manufacturering plants in the 3 months hiatus we had if there was nothing to buy? Governments are elected to forward think...this was a bloody war on it's way and sadly boris and his crew are just a bunch if chances and conmen who havent got a fecking clue.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"My view is lock down should have been 4 weeks sooner. The German government dealt with the crisis far better. "

OK getting in my time machine and going back to the 25th Feb. Oh shit........ Just about to go skiing holiday to Bulgaria on the 29th and their fricking borders are still open as no cases there yet. awwwwwwwwwww Bastard. Flipping virus ruining my fun.

Hop into my time machine and ask yourself what you were doing on the 25th Feb

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"My view is lock down should have been 4 weeks sooner. The German government dealt with the crisis far better.

Hop into my time machine and ask yourself what you were doing on the 25th Feb

Weeks before then I was hoping my flight to Thailand in may would be cancelled.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just look at how they went about Brexit. The sheer amount of bullshit spouted and the famous claim that 'we don't need experts'. No wonder this has been a complete shambles, the perfect blend of British exceptionalism and pigheadedness.

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By *uninlondon69Man over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

" sadly boris and his crew are just a bunch if chances and conmen who havent got a fecking clue."

Spot on. An entire minesterial team selection based on loyalty to brexit, not ability. Anyone with even an afternoon's experience of leadership was purged if they were ever slightly hesitant at the European plan.

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By *oggoneMan over a year ago

Derry

The UK government has done as good a job as can be expected in the circumstances. The big failures lie with a lack of foresight and planning by previous governments and their shadows.

WHO warned of a potential pandemic in early jan, and released an assessment checklist to assist in judging how prepared nations were. On Jan 23 WHO warned of 4 percent death rate, human-to-human transmission and potential exporting of the virus to any country. On Feb 24, WHO warned the sirens are sounding and every warning signal is flashing. The advice for unaffected countries was:

1.Prepare to immediately activate the highest level of emergency response mechanisms to trigger the all-of-government and all-of society approach that is essential for early containment of a COVID-19 outbreak;

2.Rapidly test national preparedness plans in light of new knowledge on the effectiveness of non-pharmaceutical measures against COVID-19; incorporate rapid detection, largescale case isolation and respiratory support capacities, and rigorous contact tracing and management in national COVID-19 readiness and response plans and capacities;

3.Immediately enhance surveillance for COVID-19 as rapid detection is crucial to containing spread; consider testing all patients with atypical pneumonia for the COVID-19 virus,and adding testing for the virus to existing influenza surveillance systems;

4.Begin now to enforce rigorous application of infection prevention and control measures in all healthcare facilities, especially in emergency departments and outpatient clinics, as this is where COVID-19 will enter the health system;and5.Rapidly assess the general population’s understanding of COVID-19, adjust national health promotion materials and activities accordingly, and engage clinical champions to communicate with the media.

And you still think that NHS middle management is responsible?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just look at how they went about Brexit. The sheer amount of bullshit spouted and the famous claim that 'we don't need experts'. No wonder this has been a complete shambles, the perfect blend of British exceptionalism and pigheadedness."

I disagree. Brexit unfolded exactly as they wanted it to. To provide maximum benefit to those who funded the leave campaigns. And no benefit what-so-ever to the people of the UK.

The delayed response to Coronovirus was just down to incompetence.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Should have planned and organised from January. Then introduced wider testing and contact tracing for those infected, for those to be isolated. NHS etc would have had more resources from a January ordering. Lockdown from earlier in March.

They have been a shambles and still appear not to have much of a plan or able to manage it well. Today, hospitals running out of gowns for staff and not enough delivered to last for the weekend. "

Fully agree it's a shambles really, this combined with many years of underinvestment in the NHS and Social care means we are being hit a lot harder. (Paying the price of keeping taxes lower)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"My view is lock down should have been 4 weeks sooner. The German government dealt with the crisis far better.

Hop into my time machine and ask yourself what you were doing on the 25th Feb

Yes indeed we knew this was coming before February. Even the incompetant WHO warned of the public health emergency late in January

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

All the boris worshippers must be in bed still

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By *eah BabyCouple over a year ago

Cheshire, Windermere ,Cumbria

The UK government has done as good a job as can be expected in the circumstances. The big failures lie with a lack of foresight and planning by previous governments and their shadows.

And you still think that NHS middle management is responsible?"

I didn’t say NHS middle management were responsible for the shortage at all so don’t twist my words or what I said please, don’t try to pick arguments that are not there to be had. I said they would order but could only go off what info was given at the time and by the time it appeared we needed vast amounts the shortages were already happening.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

hindsight is a great thing!

if you thought that the lockdown should have started earlier, did you voluntarily lock down?? were you self isolating 4 weeks earlier? were you staying home after work to limit your interaction with others?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"hindsight is a great thing!

It's nothing to do with hindsight. Other countries managed to follow WHO advice on time. Why didn't put government?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"hindsight is a great thing!

It's nothing to do with hindsight. Other countries managed to follow WHO advice on time. Why didn't put government? "

*Our government

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"hindsight is a great thing!

Social distancing yeah...going to aldi late at night until everyone else continued on to it, so started going with a mask...yeah you could buy them then. Long before any lockdown.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Cottoned on to it.*

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By *oggoneMan over a year ago

Derry

The UK government has done as good a job as can be expected in the circumstances. The big failures lie with a lack of foresight and planning by previous governments and their shadows.

And you still think that NHS middle management is responsible?

My point is there was multiple warnings that were ignored. I disagree that they did as well as can be expected. They failed to prepare and were late in taking limited action.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

The UK government has done as good a job as can be expected in the circumstances. The big failures lie with a lack of foresight and planning by previous governments and their shadows."

Yes of course, it was the fault of the Labour government in 2009 to not implement the findings of the report by leading scientists in 2016..

Got it..

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By *urringtiggraCouple over a year ago

UXBRIDGE

Government decided not to be part of the EU health initiative to purchase medical supplies including ventilators and testing kits. So weeks later there are no PPE supplies nor ventilators resulting in Mercedes engineers having to renovate old ventilators and nothing more than bin liners to help protect NHS. Latest talk is how to wash and re use PPE.

Government has had to resort in buying fake test kits from Chine for US$20 million and hope they worked…of course they didn’t.

OAP’s in care homes have been requested to sign do not resuscitate requests aiding in the high mortality in care homes and helping keep the death figures low as only those patients admitted to hospital get tested for covid 19.

NHS was called a “humanitarian crisis” by head of Red Cross in 2017 during normal working environment…….wonder what he would say now??!! Its not the fault of the NHS they were given little money for years. Boris promised extra £350 million a week to the NHS and reneged. Now he is handing out so much money but the problem is there is nothing left in the world to buy!! The selves are empty Boris!! Foreign governments are putting export restrictions on health care equipment so looks like we will not get the supplies we need anytime soon.

Oh and we saw it coming…..not as though we were caught by surprise. We were forewarned by WHO and the countries who had outbreaks before us.

And yet Boris’s popularity is up 17% ???!!!

Well if Boris wants to be popular I guess he just needs to carry on what he is doing…at this popularity rate he will be voted in again and we can have more of his leadership.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"hindsight is a great thing!

It's not hindsight at all , this was seen to be coming and lockdown was supposedly timed to give max effect. However that timing was clearly wrongly judged

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Reactive not proactive unfortunately

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And yet Boris’s popularity is up 17% ???!!!

Well if Boris wants to be popular I guess he just needs to carry on what he is doing…at this popularity rate he will be voted in again and we can have more of his leadership.

Reminds me of The Life of Brian ffs

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

"hindsight is a great thing!

It's not hindsight at all , this was seen to be coming and lockdown was supposedly timed to give max effect. However that timing was clearly wrongly judged "

Or people didn't obey the government direction ?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

I disagree. Brexit unfolded exactly as they wanted it to. To provide maximum benefit to those who funded the leave campaigns. And no benefit what-so-ever to the people of the UK.

The delayed response to Coronovirus was just down to incompetence. "

There is a theory that this was going to be used as a way of justifying Brexit.There is a clip of Matt Hancock on sky news saying the European countries are following 1 approach..we are folowing another.

Best laid plans etc

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By *arkus1812Man over a year ago

Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands

The phrase 'Running around like headless chickens' springs to mind. Especially Hancock

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

And yet Boris’s popularity is up 17% ???!!!

Well if Boris wants to be popular I guess he just needs to carry on what he is doing…at this popularity rate he will be voted in again and we can have more of his leadership.

Reminds me of The Life of Brian ffs

Did you ever see that piss take video?

Boris is in parliament saying..what did the eh ever do for us.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman over a year ago

all loved up

I think the timing was about right but personally I would have liked us to follow how Sweden went on.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think the timing was about right but personally I would have liked us to follow how Sweden went on. "

So you're in favour of more people dying in a shorter period of time.

Interesting, and some might say, controversial, opinion.

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By *oved Up 2Couple over a year ago

nottingham

Where to start? Lockdown came too late. 10yrs of underfunding in the NHS left it woefully inadequate to cope. Due to the work of thousands of amazing people we now have sufficient hospital capacity.

There must be literally hundreds of companies who could help with PPE. The current situation is unacceptable.

We need more honesty about deaths outside of hospitals.

They need to be tougher on people ignoring lockdown rules. If the police are going to police us then they need to follow the same rules and not get filmed in the middle of masses of people clapping outside of hospitals. Totally in favour of the Thursday clapping but people need to do it safely.

Having said all this I'd hate to be in government making these decisions.

Stay safe everyone x

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

While some ppe is short at the moment it is ONE type of apron that the who says can be reused.

There has never YET been a shortage of ventilators, earlier in the week there were 2000 spare, there is now some doubt whether the forced type of ventilator that requires you to be unconscio us actually helps save lives, this us from some who works in a hospital in the Midlands.

Most countries have followed the same procedure of going into lockdown but at different times according to levels of infection, the only reason to implement lockdown is to slow infections to allow hospitals to cope. It doesn't and never will avoid the necessity of 80 % of people to catch the virus or for the need for the vulnerable to hide away till either herd immunity or a vaccine is ready,

Anyone who thinks the virus can be stopped is deluded

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By *urringtiggraCouple over a year ago

UXBRIDGE

Scrubs shortage has resulted in NHS staff openly requesting the public to make and supply scrubs for them as The NHS trust and or Government cannot for whatever reason can't supply.....Mrs is on a local Facebook group where many are sharing sewing patterns and tips. Made from material like polycotton or 100% cotton so they can be washed and re-used.

Do an image search as some patterns are simply a joy to see!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And yet Boris’s popularity is up 17% ???!!!

Well if Boris wants to be popular I guess he just needs to carry on what he is doing…at this popularity rate he will be voted in again and we can have more of his leadership.

Reminds me of The Life of Brian ffs

Did you ever see that piss take video?

Boris is in parliament saying..what did the eh ever do for us."

I didn't mate...but it all just astounds me that people will be on this thread soon trying to defend the most incompetent government in our history.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman over a year ago

all loved up

"I think the timing was about right but personally I would have liked us to follow how Sweden went on.

So you're in favour of more people dying in a shorter period of time.

Interesting, and some might say, controversial, opinion."
more people havent died in Sweden though.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

" sadly boris and his crew are just a bunch if chances and conmen who havent got a fecking clue.

But surely the appointment of Lord Bethel as testing minister is an example of good decisive leadership by Hancock..

After all Lord Bethel gave Hancock's bid to be PM a donation of £5 k and the new testing minister has experience of lobbying..

Lobbying on behalf of American health care companies looking to get their mits on the NHS..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"While some ppe is short at the moment it is ONE type of apron that the who says can be reused.

Anyone who thinks the virus can be stopped is deluded "

Yeah there was a report on newsnight last night saying the invasive vents are killing people. They are now changing tack and using the cheaper less invasive type. I have said that for a long time..fight off the put to sleep vents as you dont wake up. Yeah I've been there and fought it off...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Scrubs shortage has resulted in NHS staff openly requesting the public to make and supply scrubs for them as The NHS trust and or Government cannot for whatever reason can't supply.....Mrs is on a local Facebook group where many are sharing sewing patterns and tips. Made from material like polycotton or 100% cotton so they can be washed and re-used.

Do an image search as some patterns are simply a joy to see!!

Government should have set up factories doing that months ago.

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By *urringtiggraCouple over a year ago

UXBRIDGE

"While some ppe is short at the moment it is ONE type of apron that the who says can be reused.

Anyone who thinks the virus can be stopped is deluded

So pleased to hear you came though it!! Can't even imagine what your experience was like.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

The UK government has done as good a job as can be expected in the circumstances. The big failures lie with a lack of foresight and planning by previous governments and their shadows.

And you still think that NHS middle management is responsible?

But it wasn't just that element, the government even after that were allowing planes from affected parts of the globe to unload passengers with not even any temperature testing at points of entry..

3000 Madrid fans who could not have attended the match had the fixture been the other way round as their city was not allowing it were allowed in with no screening to wander about in Liverpool..

How many flights got out of the North of Italy prior to their much leaked regional lock down?

All the remit of HMG..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think the timing was about right but personally I would have liked us to follow how Sweden went on.

So you're in favour of more people dying in a shorter period of time.

Interesting, and some might say, controversial, opinion. more people havent died in Sweden though. "

It's higher than ours per head of population. Despite a much lower population density than the UK.

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By *oggoneMan over a year ago

Derry

So any discussion of the response to Corona is deemed to be a political subject and best dealt with east of eden.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"While some ppe is short at the moment it is ONE type of apron that the who says can be reused.

Anyone who thinks the virus can be stopped is deluded

So pleased to hear you came though it!! Can't even imagine what your experience was like. "

No dont get me wrong ...it was double pneumonia 12 years back and I was in icu and a astronauts type helmet on for 5 days...doctor comes midway through to tell me he is going to put a "nick" in my throat to give my body a rest.

Why said I?

Because your blood gases are low.

Then take me off morphine I replied.

But morphine gives you good pain relief he said.

My reply was its giving me no more relief then paracetamol and ibuprofen.

So he went for it and came back a few hours later and took my blood gases.

Came back in around a hourish and I said well?

His word were "you were right the blood gases have risen".

I had seen toi many people not waking up and porters coming to take them away.

If your awake you still have fight in you...induced sleep I dont think so.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

In my opinion the UK have done the right thing all the way through, listen to medical and scientific advice then be flexible in their strategy as circumstances change. Imagine the chaos in shops and even greater damage to the economy if they just went immediately into lockdown. The same people moaning about going into it too late would be moaning about going into it too soon.

Likewise when we start relaxing restrictions those people will do their hindsight moaning regardless.

Have the government got everything right? No. But they have got a hell of a lot more right than wrong. No coutry has managed this perfectly in the eyes of their citizens and those that appear to be doing ik to us could still be caught out as there is a long way to go.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So any discussion of the response to Corona is deemed to be a political subject and best dealt with east of eden. "

Politics is always going to be a part of this virus..I think if you move this from virus they need to look through all of virus and move the rest where politics comes into it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"In my opinion the UK have done the right thing all the way through, listen to medical and scientific advice then be flexible in their strategy as circumstances change. Imagine the chaos in shops and even greater damage to the economy if they just went immediately into lockdown. The same people moaning about going into it too late would be moaning about going into it too soon.

Likewise when we start relaxing restrictions those people will do their hindsight moaning regardless.

What have they got right about it?

Because I know of nothing they have got right.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Likewise when we start relaxing restrictions those people will do their hindsight moaning regardless.

Genuine question.

Why have so many from the medical community criticised them?

Saying no country

has managed this perfectly,is not much of a defence, when you consider we are on the way to be 1 of the worst hit country in Europe.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Likewise when we start relaxing restrictions those people will do their hindsight moaning regardless.

Genuine question.

Why have so many from the medical community criticised them?

Saying no country

has managed this perfectly,is not much of a defence, when you consider we are on the way to be 1 of the worst hit country in Europe."

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

Likewise when we start relaxing restrictions those people will do their hindsight moaning regardless.

Absolutely this is a unique situation but they largely ignored the WHO in the first couple of months of this year..

They were intent upon a herd immunity policy until the numbers from imperial college made them change tack so yes they did listen but too much listening to PHE and not the WHO at the start meant they have been less proactive and more reactive which when the dust settles will be lives possibly that could have been saved..

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By *urringtiggraCouple over a year ago

UXBRIDGE

"While some ppe is short at the moment it is ONE type of apron that the who says can be reused.

Anyone who thinks the virus can be stopped is deluded

So pleased to hear you came though it!! Can't even imagine what your experience was like.

Why said I?

Because your blood gases are low.

Then take me off morphine I replied.

But morphine gives you good pain relief he said.

My reply was its giving me no more relief then paracetamol and ibuprofen.

So he went for it and came back a few hours later and took my blood gases.

Came back in around a hourish and I said well?

His word were "you were right the blood gases have risen".

I had seen toi many people not waking up and porters coming to take them away.

If your awake you still have fight in you...induced sleep I dont think so.

And if you awake and compos mentis you can fight for your health care management and your rights. Defend your decisions. You seem to have a greater knowledge of health care/biology than I and pleased you could make your own educated decision....your to be congratulated.

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By *urringtiggraCouple over a year ago

UXBRIDGE

Likewise when we start relaxing restrictions those people will do their hindsight moaning regardless.

Absolutely this is a unique situation but they largely ignored the WHO in the first couple of months of this year..

I cant find a quote that the Government they have a policy to create herd immunity. I would love to find any links. I was lead to believe that was a natural result from not testing ( no test equipment) and lack of no lockdown.

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

It was the WHO who said borders dont need shutting, testing people returning only finds those with symptoms but people can spread it several days before they show.

We were I France from mid jan to mid march, the only thing they did was to tell people to stop shaking hands from about second or third week of feb then 14th March went straight to lockdown, the week before the locals were still kissing and shaking hands in all the bars etc.

The only time the world had a chance to contain it was Dec when Chinese doctors started seeing strange pneumonia, by the time they realised it was futile to try and cover it up there were thousands round the world with it and the only game in town was control numbers to allow hospitals to cope and herd immunity. A few like NZ have managed to do tracing but they are a tiny population and far lower numbers travelling, heathrow has about four times(iirc) the numbers of people each year than the whole of NZ has through its entire borders. Even though they may get rid of it they then will have to stop all travel or quarantine everyone for three weeks until a vaccine arrives and then they will still have to have very strict controls. That is going to be a huge cost to their economy

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"While some ppe is short at the moment it is ONE type of apron that the who says can be reused.

Anyone who thinks the virus can be stopped is deluded

So pleased to hear you came though it!! Can't even imagine what your experience was like.

Why said I?

Because your blood gases are low.

Then take me off morphine I replied.

But morphine gives you good pain relief he said.

My reply was its giving me no more relief then paracetamol and ibuprofen.

So he went for it and came back a few hours later and took my blood gases.

Came back in around a hourish and I said well?

His word were "you were right the blood gases have risen".

I had seen toi many people not waking up and porters coming to take them away.

If your awake you still have fight in you...induced sleep I dont think so.

Ah about the only thing I knew was that morphine makes respitory conditions worse...I didn't want it in the first place, so I knew if I went to sleep and they continued with morphine it would have been goodnight Vienna.

And Thanks

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

Basically we have done badly but so have mmny other governments,few have done well.I do feel that Boris getting ill has been a big problem,the government needs a decisive leader,we need Boris back.

I believe we are being lead a bit to much by scientists who are no good at decision making.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Basically we have done badly but so have mmny other governments,few have done well.I do feel that Boris getting ill has been a big problem,the government needs a decisive leader,we need Boris back.

I believe we are being lead a bit to much by scientists who are no good at decision making."

As I've always thought that boris was on par with Dianne Abbott...I doubt it would have made any difference

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Basically we have done badly but so have mmny other governments,few have done well.I do feel that Boris getting ill has been a big problem,the government needs a decisive leader,we need Boris back.

I believe we are being lead a bit to much by scientists who are no good at decision making."

I thought we were listening to the experts?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Likewise when we start relaxing restrictions those people will do their hindsight moaning regardless.

Genuine question.

Why have so many from the medical community criticised them?

Saying no country

has managed this perfectly,is not much of a defence, when you consider we are on the way to be 1 of the worst hit country in Europe."

No one in the medical community, to my knowledge, have criticised the government handling. The only issue raised is the potential for ppe shortages and ventilators, which the media and those with a political agenda have played with words to turn it into something more.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Likewise when we start relaxing restrictions those people will do their hindsight moaning regardless.

What have they got right about it?

Because I know of nothing they have got right."

I'm not even going to dignify that with a response

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Likewise when we start relaxing restrictions those people will do their hindsight moaning regardless.

Genuine question.

Why have so many from the medical community criticised them?

Saying no country

has managed this perfectly,is not much of a defence, when you consider we are on the way to be 1 of the worst hit country in Europe.

Testing...timing.. and preparation.

Failed on all.

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By *eah BabyCouple over a year ago

Cheshire, Windermere ,Cumbria

Likewise when we start relaxing restrictions those people will do their hindsight moaning regardless.

Genuine question.

Why have so many from the medical community criticised them?

Saying no country

has managed this perfectly,is not much of a defence, when you consider we are on the way to be 1 of the worst hit country in Europe.

Testing...timing.. and preparation.

Failed on all."

A little unfair, they have managed to source a lot of things required within a hospital including supplying all the newly opened units with thousands upon thousands of beds, mattresses and everything else that goes with caring for the sick and people dying.

Funny how it’s only the failures people pick up on not all the good that’s been done.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Likewise when we start relaxing restrictions those people will do their hindsight moaning regardless.

Genuine question.

Why have so many from the medical community criticised them?

Saying no country

has managed this perfectly,is not much of a defence, when you consider we are on the way to be 1 of the worst hit country in Europe.

The key here is the "to your knowledge" part. Because medical professionals across the board are speaking up about it.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Likewise when we start relaxing restrictions those people will do their hindsight moaning regardless.

Genuine question.

Why have so many from the medical community criticised them?

Saying no country

has managed this perfectly,is not much of a defence, when you consider we are on the way to be 1 of the worst hit country in Europe.

There are loads of articles online

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

Better than some worse than others.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Likewise when we start relaxing restrictions those people will do their hindsight moaning regardless.

Genuine question.

Why have so many from the medical community criticised them?

Saying no country

has managed this perfectly,is not much of a defence, when you consider we are on the way to be 1 of the worst hit country in Europe.

Testing...timing.. and preparation.

Failed on all.

Funny how it’s only the failures people pick up on not all the good that’s been done. "

I think ppe has been the biggest criticism.

And throwing it back onto the nhs wasnt The wisest move in the world.

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

Likewise when we start relaxing restrictions those people will do their hindsight moaning regardless.

Genuine question.

Why have so many from the medical community criticised them?

Saying no country

has managed this perfectly,is not much of a defence, when you consider we are on the way to be 1 of the worst hit country in Europe.

Testing...timing.. and preparation.

Failed on all."

Testing only shows who has it and is only any use to check when people are safe to go back to work, you could test the whole country today and tomorrow those who weren't positive then could now be. Timing of lockdown was decided by medical experts, whether they were right or not can be decided in hindsight only but as we haven't yet run out of ventilators or hospital beds then currently timing looks ok. As for preparation there are things that could have ben done better but its easy to look back and say these things

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Likewise when we start relaxing restrictions those people will do their hindsight moaning regardless.

Genuine question.

Why have so many from the medical community criticised them?

Saying no country

has managed this perfectly,is not much of a defence, when you consider we are on the way to be 1 of the worst hit country in Europe.

The key here is the "to your knowledge" part. Because medical professionals across the board are speaking up about it.

No they aren't

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Likewise when we start relaxing restrictions those people will do their hindsight moaning regardless.

Genuine question.

Why have so many from the medical community criticised them?

Saying no country

has managed this perfectly,is not much of a defence, when you consider we are on the way to be 1 of the worst hit country in Europe.

Testing...timing.. and preparation.

Failed on all.

Funny how it’s only the failures people pick up on not all the good that’s been done.

I think ppe has been the biggest criticism.

And throwing it back onto the nhs wasnt The wisest move in the world."

Aledged PPE shortages isn't a criticism of the government handling as a whole, which is what I was referring to. But as you bring it up; what hospital or NHS trust has run out?

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By *itty9899Man over a year ago

Craggy Island

Piss poor.

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By *rumalexMan over a year ago

Birmingham

The sad fact is this virus isn't going anywhere, and there's no vaccine available for ages, we have to learn to live with it, we can't be on lockdown forever, so the government need to have a plan on how to take us out of lockdown gradually, and this seems to be totally lacking.

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

"My view is lock down should have been 4 weeks sooner. The German government dealt with the crisis far better. "

You need to review that question.in three years by which time the answer could be more clear.

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

"The sad fact is this virus isn't going anywhere, and there's no vaccine available for ages, we have to learn to live with it, we can't be on lockdown forever, so the government need to have a plan on how to take us out of lockdown gradually, and this seems to be totally lacking. "

I'm sure they have a plan and will tell us when they want to implement it otherwise some idiots will start doing it too early.

It's just media trying to stir up trouble just like yesterday and today's lies about ppe.

The first one they have had to retract on the website but today they are claiming ppe will run out over the weekend, it's one type of apron.

They are a disgrace and just causing anxiety among people

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

I'm sure they have a plan and will tell us when they want to implement it otherwise some idiots will start doing it too early.

It's just media trying to stir up trouble just like yesterday and today's lies about ppe.

The first one they have had to retract on the website but today they are claiming ppe will run out over the weekend, it's one type of apron.

They are a disgrace and just causing anxiety among people"

And aprons don't prevent spread anyway

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Likewise when we start relaxing restrictions those people will do their hindsight moaning regardless.

Genuine question.

Why have so many from the medical community criticised them?

Saying no country

has managed this perfectly,is not much of a defence, when you consider we are on the way to be 1 of the worst hit country in Europe.

Testing...timing.. and preparation.

Failed on all.

Funny how it’s only the failures people pick up on not all the good that’s been done.

I think ppe has been the biggest criticism.

And throwing it back onto the nhs wasnt The wisest move in the world.

Aledged PPE shortages isn't a criticism of the government handling as a whole, which is what I was referring to. But as you bring it up; what hospital or NHS trust has run out?"

Alledged?

Seriously?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

I'm sure they have a plan and will tell us when they want to implement it otherwise some idiots will start doing it too early.

It's just media trying to stir up trouble just like yesterday and today's lies about ppe.

The first one they have had to retract on the website but today they are claiming ppe will run out over the weekend, it's one type of apron.

They are a disgrace and just causing anxiety among people"

I'm sorry..what lies exactly?

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By *urringtiggraCouple over a year ago

UXBRIDGE

Likewise when we start relaxing restrictions those people will do their hindsight moaning regardless.

Genuine question.

Why have so many from the medical community criticised them?

Saying no country

has managed this perfectly,is not much of a defence, when you consider we are on the way to be 1 of the worst hit country in Europe.

Testing...timing.. and preparation.

Failed on all.

Funny how it’s only the failures people pick up on not all the good that’s been done.

I think ppe has been the biggest criticism.

And throwing it back onto the nhs wasnt The wisest move in the world.

Aledged PPE shortages isn't a criticism of the government handling as a whole, which is what I was referring to. But as you bring it up; what hospital or NHS trust has run out?"

Yes your right alledged PPE. Perhaps it is best to say effective PPE shortages, as a bucket over your head can arguably be PPE. And there are still plenty of buckets in the UK.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/apr/18/uk-coronavirus-live-doctors-confirm-lack-of-ppe-amid-fears-supplies-may-run-out-this-weekend

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-nhs-staff-advised-to-reuse-ppe-ahead-of-expected-weekend-shortage-11974895

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By *urringtiggraCouple over a year ago

UXBRIDGE

"https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/apr/18/uk-coronavirus-live-doctors-confirm-lack-of-ppe-amid-fears-supplies-may-run-out-this-weekend

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-nhs-staff-advised-to-reuse-ppe-ahead-of-expected-weekend-shortage-11974895

Thanks for posting here is another link

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/17/nhs-staff-to-be-asked-to-treat-coronavirus-patients-without-gowns

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Likewise when we start relaxing restrictions those people will do their hindsight moaning regardless.

Genuine question.

Why have so many from the medical community criticised them?

Saying no country

has managed this perfectly,is not much of a defence, when you consider we are on the way to be 1 of the worst hit country in Europe.

Testing...timing.. and preparation.

Failed on all.

Funny how it’s only the failures people pick up on not all the good that’s been done.

I think ppe has been the biggest criticism.

And throwing it back onto the nhs wasnt The wisest move in the world.

Aledged PPE shortages isn't a criticism of the government handling as a whole, which is what I was referring to. But as you bring it up; what hospital or NHS trust has run out?

Alledged?

Seriously?"

So that will be none then

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Likewise when we start relaxing restrictions those people will do their hindsight moaning regardless.

Genuine question.

Why have so many from the medical community criticised them?

Saying no country

has managed this perfectly,is not much of a defence, when you consider we are on the way to be 1 of the worst hit country in Europe.

Testing...timing.. and preparation.

Failed on all.

Funny how it’s only the failures people pick up on not all the good that’s been done.

I think ppe has been the biggest criticism.

And throwing it back onto the nhs wasnt The wisest move in the world.

Aledged PPE shortages isn't a criticism of the government handling as a whole, which is what I was referring to. But as you bring it up; what hospital or NHS trust has run out?

Alledged?

Seriously?

So that will be none then

Apart from the two posts directly above this with links to information about exactly this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Have they run out? I asked what hospitals and NHS trusts have run out of ppe.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Have they run out? I asked what hospitals and NHS trusts have run out of ppe."

The links are there

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman over a year ago

all loved up

"I think the timing was about right but personally I would have liked us to follow how Sweden went on.

So you're in favour of more people dying in a shorter period of time.

Interesting, and some might say, controversial, opinion. more people havent died in Sweden though.

It's higher than ours per head of population. Despite a much lower population density than the UK."
it's not . Per million they are or were on today's checkings much lower

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have they run out? I asked what hospitals and NHS trusts have run out of ppe.

The links are there"

So name one that HAS run out.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Have they run out? I asked what hospitals and NHS trusts have run out of ppe.

The links are there

So name one that HAS run out."

Nah..they are probally milking it to be honest the ungrateful bastards.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have they run out? I asked what hospitals and NHS trusts have run out of ppe.

The links are there

So name one that HAS run out.

Nah..they are probally milking it to be honest the ungrateful bastards."

So you can't name one, just be honest about it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"While some ppe is short at the moment it is ONE type of apron that the who says can be reused.

Anyone who thinks the virus can be stopped is deluded "

Anyone who thinks we need 80 % of the population to be infected before winter is demented

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have they run out? I asked what hospitals and NHS trusts have run out of ppe.

The links are there

So name one that HAS run out.

Nah..they are probally milking it to be honest the ungrateful bastards.

So you can't name one, just be honest about it."

Why are the NHS being told to wear aprons instead of the required protective gowns? Just be honest about it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have they run out? I asked what hospitals and NHS trusts have run out of ppe.

The links are there

So name one that HAS run out.

Nah..they are probally milking it to be honest the ungrateful bastards.

So you can't name one, just be honest about it.

Why are the NHS being told to wear aprons instead of the required protective gowns? Just be honest about it "

No they aren't. You are generalising, just like the media to try and make a headline. Those directly treating Covid 19 patients have the required ppe, those not treating them don't need the same level.

You can't name one that has run out either then, well done.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have they run out? I asked what hospitals and NHS trusts have run out of ppe.

The links are there

So name one that HAS run out.

Nah..they are probally milking it to be honest the ungrateful bastards.

So you can't name one, just be honest about it.

Why are the NHS being told to wear aprons instead of the required protective gowns? Just be honest about it

You can't name one that has run out either then, well done."

So, there isn’t any problems or shortages of PPE for the NHS? I know you're a Boris fanboy but you can’t be that deluded .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have they run out? I asked what hospitals and NHS trusts have run out of ppe.

The links are there

So name one that HAS run out.

Nah..they are probally milking it to be honest the ungrateful bastards.

So you can't name one, just be honest about it.

Why are the NHS being told to wear aprons instead of the required protective gowns? Just be honest about it

You can't name one that has run out either then, well done."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52333157

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have they run out? I asked what hospitals and NHS trusts have run out of ppe.

The links are there

So name one that HAS run out.

Nah..they are probally milking it to be honest the ungrateful bastards.

So you can't name one, just be honest about it.

Why are the NHS being told to wear aprons instead of the required protective gowns? Just be honest about it

You can't name one that has run out either then, well done.

So, there isn’t any problems or shortages of PPE for the NHS? I know you're a Boris fanboy but you can’t be that deluded .

I asked which hospital or NHS trust has run out of ppe. The answer is none.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have they run out? I asked what hospitals and NHS trusts have run out of ppe.

The links are there

So name one that HAS run out.

Nah..they are probally milking it to be honest the ungrateful bastards.

So you can't name one, just be honest about it.

Why are the NHS being told to wear aprons instead of the required protective gowns? Just be honest about it

You can't name one that has run out either then, well done.

So, there isn’t any problems or shortages of PPE for the NHS? I know you're a Boris fanboy but you can’t be that deluded .

I asked which hospital or NHS trust has run out of ppe. The answer is none."

How do you know?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Have they run out? I asked what hospitals and NHS trusts have run out of ppe.

The links are there

So name one that HAS run out.

Nah..they are probally milking it to be honest the ungrateful bastards.

So you can't name one, just be honest about it."

I dont because I dont work in one.

Can you provide the right amount of ppe available in 1 hospital?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have they run out? I asked what hospitals and NHS trusts have run out of ppe.

The links are there

So name one that HAS run out.

Nah..they are probally milking it to be honest the ungrateful bastards.

So you can't name one, just be honest about it.

Why are the NHS being told to wear aprons instead of the required protective gowns? Just be honest about it

You can't name one that has run out either then, well done.

So, there isn’t any problems or shortages of PPE for the NHS? I know you're a Boris fanboy but you can’t be that deluded .

I asked which hospital or NHS trust has run out of ppe. The answer is none."

A British Medical Association survey of more than 6,000 doctors across the country said a significant amount of them remain without the protection they need to guard against Covid-19. Meanwhile, another survey by the Royal College of Nursing found half of nurses have felt pressure to work without appropriate protective equipment during the crisis

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have they run out? I asked what hospitals and NHS trusts have run out of ppe.

The links are there

So name one that HAS run out.

Nah..they are probally milking it to be honest the ungrateful bastards.

So you can't name one, just be honest about it.

Why are the NHS being told to wear aprons instead of the required protective gowns? Just be honest about it

You can't name one that has run out either then, well done.

So, there isn’t any problems or shortages of PPE for the NHS? I know you're a Boris fanboy but you can’t be that deluded .

I asked which hospital or NHS trust has run out of ppe. The answer is none."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/18/nhs-frontline-staff-may-refuse-to-work-over-lack-of-coronavirus-ppe-says-union-unison

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have they run out? I asked what hospitals and NHS trusts have run out of ppe.

The links are there

So name one that HAS run out.

Nah..they are probally milking it to be honest the ungrateful bastards.

So you can't name one, just be honest about it.

Why are the NHS being told to wear aprons instead of the required protective gowns? Just be honest about it

You can't name one that has run out either then, well done.

So, there isn’t any problems or shortages of PPE for the NHS? I know you're a Boris fanboy but you can’t be that deluded .

I asked which hospital or NHS trust has run out of ppe. The answer is none."

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-nhs-staff-advised-to-reuse-ppe-ahead-of-expected-weekend-shortage-11974895

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have they run out? I asked what hospitals and NHS trusts have run out of ppe.

The links are there

So name one that HAS run out.

Nah..they are probally milking it to be honest the ungrateful bastards.

So you can't name one, just be honest about it.

Why are the NHS being told to wear aprons instead of the required protective gowns? Just be honest about it

You can't name one that has run out either then, well done.

So, there isn’t any problems or shortages of PPE for the NHS? I know you're a Boris fanboy but you can’t be that deluded .

I asked which hospital or NHS trust has run out of ppe. The answer is none.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/18/nhs-frontline-staff-may-refuse-to-work-over-lack-of-coronavirus-ppe-says-union-unison"

Oooh a union. I know you can copy and paste, well done you. But as you have admitted not one single hospital or NHS Trust has run out of ppe. On that note I bid you farewell as I need add nothing else.

No doubt you and your croonies will go on another meaningless copy and paste exercise though

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

I'm sure they have a plan and will tell us when they want to implement it otherwise some idiots will start doing it too early.

It's just media trying to stir up trouble just like yesterday and today's lies about ppe.

The first one they have had to retract on the website but today they are claiming ppe will run out over the weekend, it's one type of apron.

They are a disgrace and just causing anxiety among people

I'm sorry..what lies exactly?"

The one yesterday about a director of a trust trying to contact burberry, the chap who"alledgedly" contacted them wasnt an employee of any trust but a supplier to trusts, had he googled it he would have found the number very easily. I have been told the beeb actually admitted the story was totally wrong on their website today, why didnt the person who wrote the story check it out.

Secondly they have been implying all day that all ppe will run out over the weekend, there is a shortage of one particular type of gown. Even the spokesman who they quoted said ONE gown is very short yet the beeb person said PPE is likely to run out, that is a lie.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have they run out? I asked what hospitals and NHS trusts have run out of ppe.

The links are there

So name one that HAS run out.

Nah..they are probally milking it to be honest the ungrateful bastards.

So you can't name one, just be honest about it.

Why are the NHS being told to wear aprons instead of the required protective gowns? Just be honest about it

You can't name one that has run out either then, well done.

So, there isn’t any problems or shortages of PPE for the NHS? I know you're a Boris fanboy but you can’t be that deluded .

I asked which hospital or NHS trust has run out of ppe. The answer is none.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/18/nhs-frontline-staff-may-refuse-to-work-over-lack-of-coronavirus-ppe-says-union-unison

No doubt you and your croonies will go on another meaningless copy and paste exercise though

Try the others. You could be an adult and admit your are wrong or you could stick your fingers in your ears and pretend you can’t hear the truth like a child . Your choice .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have they run out? I asked what hospitals and NHS trusts have run out of ppe.

The links are there

So name one that HAS run out.

Nah..they are probally milking it to be honest the ungrateful bastards.

So you can't name one, just be honest about it.

Why are the NHS being told to wear aprons instead of the required protective gowns? Just be honest about it

You can't name one that has run out either then, well done.

So, there isn’t any problems or shortages of PPE for the NHS? I know you're a Boris fanboy but you can’t be that deluded .

I asked which hospital or NHS trust has run out of ppe. The answer is none.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-nhs-staff-advised-to-reuse-ppe-ahead-of-expected-weekend-shortage-11974895"

You can copy and paste too, well done you.

You do know whar 'expected' and 'shortages' mean though don't you

It certainly doesn't mean run out.

As per my previous post, I'm off. You nothing of relevance to say.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm sure they have a plan and will tell us when they want to implement it otherwise some idiots will start doing it too early.

It's just media trying to stir up trouble just like yesterday and today's lies about ppe.

The first one they have had to retract on the website but today they are claiming ppe will run out over the weekend, it's one type of apron.

They are a disgrace and just causing anxiety among people

I'm sorry..what lies exactly?

Are you another Boris fanboy who believes the government over what the doctors and nurses are saying? After all you are the same person who defended the governments ‘herd immunity’ policy and stated we need to have an 80 infection rate by the winter?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have they run out? I asked what hospitals and NHS trusts have run out of ppe.

The links are there

So name one that HAS run out.

Nah..they are probally milking it to be honest the ungrateful bastards.

So you can't name one, just be honest about it.

Why are the NHS being told to wear aprons instead of the required protective gowns? Just be honest about it

You can't name one that has run out either then, well done.

So, there isn’t any problems or shortages of PPE for the NHS? I know you're a Boris fanboy but you can’t be that deluded .

I asked which hospital or NHS trust has run out of ppe. The answer is none.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-nhs-staff-advised-to-reuse-ppe-ahead-of-expected-weekend-shortage-11974895

You can copy and paste too, well done you.

You do know whar 'expected' and 'shortages' mean though don't you

It certainly doesn't mean run out.

As per my previous post, I'm off. You nothing of relevance to say. "

Seeya,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have they run out? I asked what hospitals and NHS trusts have run out of ppe.

The links are there

So name one that HAS run out.

Nah..they are probally milking it to be honest the ungrateful bastards.

So you can't name one, just be honest about it.

Why are the NHS being told to wear aprons instead of the required protective gowns? Just be honest about it

You can't name one that has run out either then, well done.

So, there isn’t any problems or shortages of PPE for the NHS? I know you're a Boris fanboy but you can’t be that deluded .

I asked which hospital or NHS trust has run out of ppe. The answer is none.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/18/nhs-frontline-staff-may-refuse-to-work-over-lack-of-coronavirus-ppe-says-union-unison

No doubt you and your croonies will go on another meaningless copy and paste exercise though

Try the others. You could be an adult and admit your are wrong or you could stick your fingers in your ears and pretend you can’t hear the truth like a child . Your choice . "

Sorry, had to reply. How can I be wrong when I have asked the question to which you have not been able to answer because the answer is none. You are wrong but can't admit it.

I'm off because you have nothing meaningful to say and are of no relevance.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have they run out? I asked what hospitals and NHS trusts have run out of ppe.

The links are there

So name one that HAS run out.

Nah..they are probally milking it to be honest the ungrateful bastards.

So you can't name one, just be honest about it.

Why are the NHS being told to wear aprons instead of the required protective gowns? Just be honest about it

You can't name one that has run out either then, well done.

So, there isn’t any problems or shortages of PPE for the NHS? I know you're a Boris fanboy but you can’t be that deluded .

I asked which hospital or NHS trust has run out of ppe. The answer is none.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/18/nhs-frontline-staff-may-refuse-to-work-over-lack-of-coronavirus-ppe-says-union-unison

No doubt you and your croonies will go on another meaningless copy and paste exercise though

Try the others. You could be an adult and admit your are wrong or you could stick your fingers in your ears and pretend you can’t hear the truth like a child . Your choice .

Sorry, had to reply. How can I be wrong when I have asked the question to which you have not been able to answer because the answer is none. You are wrong but can't admit it.

I'm off because you have nothing meaningful to say and are of no relevance."

I thought you were leaving , seeya

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

"While some ppe is short at the moment it is ONE type of apron that the who says can be reused.

Anyone who thinks the virus can be stopped is deluded

Anyone who thinks we need 80 % of the population to be infected before winter is demented "

How do you suggest we move on fromwhere we are now, not ONE country has suggested they can or will continue lockdown for an extended period, the French are lifting theirs from the 11th May, possibily in stages Austria is doing the same China already has. Nocountry can stand the economic hit and there is at present no alternative but to let it spread at a controlled rate

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

He Is being facetious..its like saying the media say the queen dies tomorrow and saying 'well I dont believe it till I see the body.

Presumably the doctors and nurses didnt die through lack of ppe they just couldn't be arsed putting them on.

If you can come and here with a straight face and argue ppe is not an issue..you cant even reason with that level of fanaticism.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"While some ppe is short at the moment it is ONE type of apron that the who says can be reused.

Anyone who thinks the virus can be stopped is deluded

Anyone who thinks we need 80 % of the population to be infected before winter is demented

80 % infection rate by winter? No chance

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He Is being facetious..its like saying the media say the queen dies tomorrow and saying 'well I dont believe it till I see the body.

Presumably the doctors and nurses didnt die through lack of ppe they just couldn't be arsed putting them on.

If you can come and here with a straight face and argue ppe is not an issue..you cant even reason with that level of fanaticism."

Exactly, I like to think he is just saying these things to wind up or provoke a reaction , however his response to my links was classic child/trump behaviour

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

I'm sure they have a plan and will tell us when they want to implement it otherwise some idiots will start doing it too early.

It's just media trying to stir up trouble just like yesterday and today's lies about ppe.

The first one they have had to retract on the website but today they are claiming ppe will run out over the weekend, it's one type of apron.

They are a disgrace and just causing anxiety among people

I'm sorry..what lies exactly?

So why are they threatening to go on strike.?

I love the way gown Is being portrayed as some sort of frivolous addition to their uniform.

Oh it's only a gown.

Stop moaning.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

I want a list of hospitals with a plentiful supply of ppe.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm sure they have a plan and will tell us when they want to implement it otherwise some idiots will start doing it too early.

It's just media trying to stir up trouble just like yesterday and today's lies about ppe.

The first one they have had to retract on the website but today they are claiming ppe will run out over the weekend, it's one type of apron.

They are a disgrace and just causing anxiety among people

I'm sorry..what lies exactly?

So why are they threatening to go on strike.?

I love the way gown Is being portrayed as some sort of frivolous addition to their uniform.

Oh it's only a gown.

Stop moaning."

50 nhs staff have already died, 1000s have been infected, but these stats don’t seem to be relevant to some people .

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

I'm sure they have a plan and will tell us when they want to implement it otherwise some idiots will start doing it too early.

It's just media trying to stir up trouble just like yesterday and today's lies about ppe.

The first one they have had to retract on the website but today they are claiming ppe will run out over the weekend, it's one type of apron.

They are a disgrace and just causing anxiety among people

I'm sorry..what lies exactly?

So why are they threatening to go on strike.?

I love the way gown Is being portrayed as some sort of frivolous addition to their uniform.

Oh it's only a gown.

Stop moaning.

50 nhs staff have already died, 1000s have been infected, but these stats don’t seem to be relevant to some people . "

It's a media conspiracy to discredit the gmnt.

Obvs.

I wonder how many people clap the nurses etc with similar views.

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

I'm sure they have a plan and will tell us when they want to implement it otherwise some idiots will start doing it too early.

It's just media trying to stir up trouble just like yesterday and today's lies about ppe.

The first one they have had to retract on the website but today they are claiming ppe will run out over the weekend, it's one type of apron.

They are a disgrace and just causing anxiety among people

I'm sorry..what lies exactly?

So why are they threatening to go on strike.?

I love the way gown Is being portrayed as some sort of frivolous addition to their uniform.

Oh it's only a gown.

Stop moaning.

50 nhs staff have already died, 1000s have been infected, but these stats don’t seem to be relevant to some people .

It's a media conspiracy to discredit the gmnt.

Obvs.

I wonder how many people clap the nurses etc with similar views."

Glad to see you arent disagreeing that hey were both lies or are you saying that yesterdays report dd come from a trust director and that ALL pe will run out today?

Nobody is disputing that PPE is very important

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By *urringtiggraCouple over a year ago

UXBRIDGE

"Have they run out? I asked what hospitals and NHS trusts have run out of ppe.

The links are there

So name one that HAS run out.

Nah..they are probally milking it to be honest the ungrateful bastards.

So you can't name one, just be honest about it.

Why are the NHS being told to wear aprons instead of the required protective gowns? Just be honest about it

You can't name one that has run out either then, well done.

So, there isn’t any problems or shortages of PPE for the NHS? I know you're a Boris fanboy but you can’t be that deluded .

I asked which hospital or NHS trust has run out of ppe. The answer is none.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/18/nhs-frontline-staff-may-refuse-to-work-over-lack-of-coronavirus-ppe-says-union-unison

No doubt you and your croonies will go on another meaningless copy and paste exercise though

Yes I have copied and pasted....i provided links to where I got some information from so others can read and form an opinion. I dont link to all sources I have got information from as it covers many uk mainstream media, Al Jazeera, Rt, also other international mainstream media and Reuters. I make no apologies for that.

Yes a hospital with hundreds of nurses, doctors and surgeons with only one PPE face mask to share means they have not run out .....is that your concept of run out??

PPE items have changed and what was not previously acceptable is now becoming or is acceptable...re-using...un licensed manufacturers.....standards licencing curtailed....Public making PPE for HNS staff including scrubs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p089vztq

Even an 8 year old girl producing PPE from her 3d printer at home (see link...or not if you don't like links)

So big thank you to her and many many other people that will do all they can so NHS Trusts and Hospitals do not 100% run out of all PPE items.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

I'm sure they have a plan and will tell us when they want to implement it otherwise some idiots will start doing it too early.

It's just media trying to stir up trouble just like yesterday and today's lies about ppe.

The first one they have had to retract on the website but today they are claiming ppe will run out over the weekend, it's one type of apron.

They are a disgrace and just causing anxiety among people

I'm sorry..what lies exactly?

So why are they threatening to go on strike.?

I love the way gown Is being portrayed as some sort of frivolous addition to their uniform.

Oh it's only a gown.

Stop moaning.

50 nhs staff have already died, 1000s have been infected, but these stats don’t seem to be relevant to some people .

It's a media conspiracy to discredit the gmnt.

Obvs.

I wonder how many people clap the nurses etc with similar views.

Glad to see you arent disagreeing that hey were both lies or are you saying that yesterdays report dd come from a trust director and that ALL pe will run out today?

Nobody is disputing that PPE is very important"

Surely the fact that they are resorting to reusing them means if they didnt do this they would run out?

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

I'm sure they have a plan and will tell us when they want to implement it otherwise some idiots will start doing it too early.

It's just media trying to stir up trouble just like yesterday and today's lies about ppe.

The first one they have had to retract on the website but today they are claiming ppe will run out over the weekend, it's one type of apron.

They are a disgrace and just causing anxiety among people

I'm sorry..what lies exactly?

So why are they threatening to go on strike.?

I love the way gown Is being portrayed as some sort of frivolous addition to their uniform.

Oh it's only a gown.

Stop moaning.

50 nhs staff have already died, 1000s have been infected, but these stats don’t seem to be relevant to some people .

It's a media conspiracy to discredit the gmnt.

Obvs.

I wonder how many people clap the nurses etc with similar views.

Glad to see you arent disagreeing that hey were both lies or are you saying that yesterdays report dd come from a trust director and that ALL pe will run out today?

Nobody is disputing that PPE is very important

Surely the fact that they are resorting to reusing them means if they didnt do this they would run out?"

Some can be reused after cleaning some cant,some is short some isnt, but try answering the question did the BBC put out fake news ?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

I'm sure they have a plan and will tell us when they want to implement it otherwise some idiots will start doing it too early.

It's just media trying to stir up trouble just like yesterday and today's lies about ppe.

The first one they have had to retract on the website but today they are claiming ppe will run out over the weekend, it's one type of apron.

They are a disgrace and just causing anxiety among people

I'm sorry..what lies exactly?

So why are they threatening to go on strike.?

I love the way gown Is being portrayed as some sort of frivolous addition to their uniform.

Oh it's only a gown.

Stop moaning.

50 nhs staff have already died, 1000s have been infected, but these stats don’t seem to be relevant to some people .

It's a media conspiracy to discredit the gmnt.

Obvs.

I wonder how many people clap the nurses etc with similar views.

Glad to see you arent disagreeing that hey were both lies or are you saying that yesterdays report dd come from a trust director and that ALL pe will run out today?

Nobody is disputing that PPE is very important

Surely the fact that they are resorting to reusing them means if they didnt do this they would run out?

Some can be reused after cleaning some cant,some is short some isnt, but try answering the question did the BBC put out fake news ? "

The Burberry story or lack of ppe?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I want a list of hospitals with a plentiful supply of ppe."

Maybe a couple in Scotland mate...but it will only be a weeks supply I would think.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

I'm sure they have a plan and will tell us when they want to implement it otherwise some idiots will start doing it too early.

It's just media trying to stir up trouble just like yesterday and today's lies about ppe.

The first one they have had to retract on the website but today they are claiming ppe will run out over the weekend, it's one type of apron.

They are a disgrace and just causing anxiety among people

I'm sorry..what lies exactly?

So why are they threatening to go on strike.?

I love the way gown Is being portrayed as some sort of frivolous addition to their uniform.

Oh it's only a gown.

Stop moaning.

50 nhs staff have already died, 1000s have been infected, but these stats don’t seem to be relevant to some people .

It's a media conspiracy to discredit the gmnt.

Obvs.

I wonder how many people clap the nurses etc with similar views.

Glad to see you arent disagreeing that hey were both lies or are you saying that yesterdays report dd come from a trust director and that ALL pe will run out today?

Nobody is disputing that PPE is very important

Surely the fact that they are resorting to reusing them means if they didnt do this they would run out?

Some can be reused after cleaning some cant,some is short some isnt, but try answering the question did the BBC put out fake news ?

The Burberry story or lack of ppe?"
So are you agreeing with Trump for once that the WHO are no good? as they are following their guidelines.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

I'm sure they have a plan and will tell us when they want to implement it otherwise some idiots will start doing it too early.

It's just media trying to stir up trouble just like yesterday and today's lies about ppe.

The first one they have had to retract on the website but today they are claiming ppe will run out over the weekend, it's one type of apron.

They are a disgrace and just causing anxiety among people

I'm sorry..what lies exactly?

So why are they threatening to go on strike.?

I love the way gown Is being portrayed as some sort of frivolous addition to their uniform.

Oh it's only a gown.

Stop moaning.

50 nhs staff have already died, 1000s have been infected, but these stats don’t seem to be relevant to some people .

It's a media conspiracy to discredit the gmnt.

Obvs.

I wonder how many people clap the nurses etc with similar views.

Glad to see you arent disagreeing that hey were both lies or are you saying that yesterdays report dd come from a trust director and that ALL pe will run out today?

Nobody is disputing that PPE is very important

Surely the fact that they are resorting to reusing them means if they didnt do this they would run out?

Some can be reused after cleaning some cant,some is short some isnt, but try answering the question did the BBC put out fake news ?

The Burberry story or lack of ppe?So are you agreeing with Trump for once that the WHO are no good? as they are following their guidelines."

I'm confused.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

I'm sure they have a plan and will tell us when they want to implement it otherwise some idiots will start doing it too early.

It's just media trying to stir up trouble just like yesterday and today's lies about ppe.

The first one they have had to retract on the website but today they are claiming ppe will run out over the weekend, it's one type of apron.

They are a disgrace and just causing anxiety among people

I'm sorry..what lies exactly?

So why are they threatening to go on strike.?

I love the way gown Is being portrayed as some sort of frivolous addition to their uniform.

Oh it's only a gown.

Stop moaning.

50 nhs staff have already died, 1000s have been infected, but these stats don’t seem to be relevant to some people .

It's a media conspiracy to discredit the gmnt.

Obvs.

I wonder how many people clap the nurses etc with similar views.

Glad to see you arent disagreeing that hey were both lies or are you saying that yesterdays report dd come from a trust director and that ALL pe will run out today?

Nobody is disputing that PPE is very important

Surely the fact that they are resorting to reusing them means if they didnt do this they would run out?

Some can be reused after cleaning some cant,some is short some isnt, but try answering the question did the BBC put out fake news ?

The Burberry story or lack of ppe?So are you agreeing with Trump for once that the WHO are no good? as they are following their guidelines.

I'm confused."
i wont comment on that

about ppe that can be reused.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Its gowns today! (not aprons) what will be next...they have people making clips for visors from home on thier 3D printers which take a hour to print each clip. But there was a local firm on tv yesterday that had shed loads of ready made visors that would cost 50p each.

No one from the government or NHS were interested..bout says it all eh

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm sure they have a plan and will tell us when they want to implement it otherwise some idiots will start doing it too early.

It's just media trying to stir up trouble just like yesterday and today's lies about ppe.

The first one they have had to retract on the website but today they are claiming ppe will run out over the weekend, it's one type of apron.

They are a disgrace and just causing anxiety among people

I'm sorry..what lies exactly?

So why are they threatening to go on strike.?

I love the way gown Is being portrayed as some sort of frivolous addition to their uniform.

Oh it's only a gown.

Stop moaning.

50 nhs staff have already died, 1000s have been infected, but these stats don’t seem to be relevant to some people .

It's a media conspiracy to discredit the gmnt.

Obvs.

I wonder how many people clap the nurses etc with similar views.

Glad to see you arent disagreeing that hey were both lies or are you saying that yesterdays report dd come from a trust director and that ALL pe will run out today?

Nobody is disputing that PPE is very important

Surely the fact that they are resorting to reusing them means if they didnt do this they would run out?

Some can be reused after cleaning some cant,some is short some isnt, but try answering the question did the BBC put out fake news ?

The Burberry story or lack of ppe?So are you agreeing with Trump for once that the WHO are no good? as they are following their guidelines.

I'm confused.i wont comment on that

about ppe that can be reused."

So , all NHS have adequate supplies of PPE and are only reusing items that can be reused? Correct ?

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By *eah BabyCouple over a year ago

Cheshire, Windermere ,Cumbria

Just a thought but why are people just attacking the government over lack of PPE? What about the manufacturers? Kind of demand outweighing supply at the moment I would say. When the government said they would Furlough and pay people to sit home and keep safe a lot of the company’s shut their doors not caring if the NHS got their already placed orders or not hence them having to go elsewhere for their needs, this doesn’t happen by magic, when every man and his dog wants protection and the demand for it more than ever, I’m afraid there is no endless stock room, they need to be produced for all affected countries and with more and more people wanting masks, gloves etc. then the difficulty in obtaining for the NHS become increasingly more difficult. We have to produce to supply simple, so with that thought are the manufacturers going running back to open their doors and restart manufacturing in this country on Monday to help in the crisis or will they take the ongoing pay out from the government to stay safe themselves hence leaving the NHS trying to obtain from overseas at probably an inflated cost because now they can charge us what the heck they like as we keep screaming shortage.

Just the same as people complaining about flying workers in from other countries for the farmers but nobody in this country will get out of bed to do it yet they will be kicking up a fuss when there’s not the food to buy in the supermarket.

Always the same, complain but don’t help. I’d say what a joke but it’s really not.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just a thought but why are people just attacking the government over lack of PPE? What about the manufacturers? Kind of demand outweighing supply at the moment I would say. When the government said they would Furlough and pay people to sit home and keep safe a lot of the company’s shut their doors not caring if the NHS got their already placed orders or not hence them having to go elsewhere for their needs, this doesn’t happen by magic, when every man and his dog wants protection and the demand for it more than ever, I’m afraid there is no endless stock room, they need to be produced for all affected countries and with more and more people wanting masks, gloves etc. then the difficulty in obtaining for the NHS become increasingly more difficult. We have to produce to supply simple, so with that thought are the manufacturers going running back to open their doors and restart manufacturing in this country on Monday to help in the crisis or will they take the ongoing pay out from the government to stay safe themselves hence leaving the NHS trying to obtain from overseas at probably an inflated cost because now they can charge us what the heck they like as we keep screaming shortage.

Always the same, complain but don’t help. I’d say what a joke but it’s really not. "

The majority of masks and other PPE are manufactured abroad (mainly China) . Do you have any evidence of manufacturing companies in this country who do or can produce PPE who have ‘shut their doors’ and ‘not caring if the NHS have got their already placed orders’? Furloughing 80% of staffs wages is a great help but I cant imagine any business would want to close unless they had to

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Always the same, complain but don’t help. I’d say what a joke but it’s really not.

Why would any business in their right mind furlough their staff when they have more orders and more money flowing into their business than ever before.

Only businesses that can't remain profitable or can't abide by government regulations have furloughed their staff.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Always the same, complain but don’t help. I’d say what a joke but it’s really not. "

Well 1st of all it's those in the front line who are doing the "complaining'and rightly so.

There was a survey out today which said 50%of hospital staff had experienced shortages in ppe.

And rather than take responsibility this gmnt are happy to shift the blame and talk about 'waste'and how they cant "magic ppe out of thin air'

And unsurprisingly people will still take their side.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Always the same, complain but don’t help. I’d say what a joke but it’s really not.

Why would any business in their right mind furlough their staff when they have more orders and more money flowing into their business than ever before.

Only businesses that can't remain profitable or can't abide by government regulations have furloughed their staff."

I know, that is what I ment

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By *eah BabyCouple over a year ago

Cheshire, Windermere ,Cumbria

Always the same, complain but don’t help. I’d say what a joke but it’s really not.

Not all PPE supplies come from China and its not just manufacturers that are causing the shortage, our UK suppliers that don’t manufacture in the UK but import from wherever not just China have shut shop to protect their staff, so I perhaps shouldn’t have just said manufacturers. I’m basically saying the UK supply chain is seriously down due to a lot of company’s being closed due to Furloughing staff and the closure of companies overseas that we usually import from, so even if not all manufactured in this country the UK supply companies who buy in from China or the likes are not open to take the shipments and distribute. The NHS don’t buy everything directly from abroad they go through a UK source which appears a lot are currently closed.

Oh and It’s not just the supply of PPE that’s being affected by company’s shutting shop in the UK and abroad. Lets add Italy for example where we import components for certain hospital equipment, I’m afraid no manufacture = no supply, once stocks are gone they are gone so unless manufacture and supply restarts we will continue to have supply problems with various hospital requirements and I’m not just saying this applies to the UK, like I said everyone is wanting PPE and will continue to do so.

Not forgetting of course restarting manufacture and supply will cost lives, who wants to be in government I know I don’t.

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By *eah BabyCouple over a year ago

Cheshire, Windermere ,Cumbria

Always the same, complain but don’t help. I’d say what a joke but it’s really not.

Why would any business in their right mind furlough their staff when they have more orders and more money flowing into their business than ever before.

Only businesses that can't remain profitable or can't abide by government regulations have furloughed their staff."

The government asked for the company’s to Furlough their staff, companies didn’t see it as a choice, it was only supposed to be key workers that go to work.

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By *eah BabyCouple over a year ago

Cheshire, Windermere ,Cumbria

Always the same, complain but don’t help. I’d say what a joke but it’s really not.

Well 1st of all it's those in the front line who are doing the "complaining'and rightly so.

There was a survey out today which said 50%of hospital staff had experienced shortages in ppe.

And rather than take responsibility this gmnt are happy to shift the blame and talk about 'waste'and how they cant "magic ppe out of thin air'

And unsurprisingly people will still take their side."

No it’s not, they have a right to complain if they don’t have the safety equipment to do their job but Everyman on here appears to want to blame the government for lack of PPE.

They can’t Magic PPE this is what I said we need somebody somewhere to manufacture and supply it.

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