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The Bedford Social - 16/09/23
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Well, Well, Well - we are back for another round!
So down to the essentials:
Where – A Central Bedford Location, good selection of drinks & DJ from 2100 for those with their dancing shoes. (Location will be shared with those confirmed on the day).
When – Saturday 16th September @ 1830-2300.
Ratio’s – As with most things on fab, Single Males will always outnumber the other profiles, rest assured that the mix attending will be well balanced as we do have a maximum capacity at the venue.
Staying or driving - There are many hotels in the town centre, all within 5-10 min walk. Car parking is not available at the venue, but there are public car parks/on street parking within a 3 – 4 min walk.
We all have lives outside of this crazy place & we know that stuff can get in the way of attending, but we would really appreciate a quick message saying you can no longer make it instead of just not showing up, no shows without informing us will bar you from attending future socials. We are very aware about the cost of living & want these to be a fee free event, please don't force us to have to take deposits.
An amazing telegram group will be up and running for anyone wanting to partake in such shenanigans!
We look forward to seeing you all!
Happy Fabbing xx
**Please reply to the thread below & we will confirm via PM that you are on the list. Please do not directly message us to “be added”. Any questions please ask below.** |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We’re child free! Put us down |
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"We’re child free! Put us down "
As the first to reply you’ve won a bonus prize! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Ooh do love a bonus |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Please put our names down
Thank you!
Tones and Miles |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Interested x |
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By *laraCouple
over a year ago
Bedford |
yes please! We are in ?? |
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By *laraCouple
over a year ago
Bedford |
grr can't fix typos... ?? was supposed to be |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Iam in |
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By *eojontyMan
over a year ago
bedford , milton Keynes, St neots |
Excited |
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"We’re child free! Put us down "
We see there is at least one dodgy couple committed already . Better count us in!! Can’t wait for Bedford social the return . Xx |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I would like to attend |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes please lovelies x"
She has been tempted |
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By *he LsCouple
over a year ago
East Midlands |
Yes please, loved the last one! X |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Hey room for a small one I will bring my own chair lol
Also is the place wheelchair accessible if not no problem
Eddie |
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"Hey room for a small one I will bring my own chair lol
Also is the place wheelchair accessible if not no problem
Eddie "
Hey Eddie, please could you drop us a message as we cant contact yourself due to your age requirements.
Thanks xx |
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Loved the last one, so yes please! |
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Put our names down and I promise (not pinky though) to actually make it this time
Marc |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Would have loved to have joined you but unfortunately can’t make it that weekend
I will get to this eventually. Have a fabulous evening, which I’m sure you will |
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"Would have loved to have joined you but unfortunately can’t make it that weekend
I will get to this eventually. Have a fabulous evening, which I’m sure you will "
Ahhhh Spursy its ok, we cant make your ones either - We're sure we'll catch up at some point!
xx |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Oooo I am free that weekend! Please put my name down! |
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"Oooo I am free that weekend! Please put my name down! "
please could you drop us a message to break the age preferences xx |
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Oh and it's my birthday yay!! (And our anniversary...)
But mostly my birthday yay!!
Tinder |
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"Oh and it's my birthday yay!! (And our anniversary...)
But mostly my birthday yay!!
Tinder "
Didn’t realise you still celebrated at your age
Marc |
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"Oh and it's my birthday yay!! (And our anniversary...)
But mostly my birthday yay!!
Tinder
Didn’t realise you still celebrated at your age
Marc"
do we need to go to Costco to bulk buy candles? |
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Yeah baby… I may still be hobbling but will be there! |
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Yay! Should be another good night. |
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"Oh and it's my birthday yay!! (And our anniversary...)
But mostly my birthday yay!!
Tinder
Didn’t realise you still celebrated at your age
Marc
do we need to go to Costco to bulk buy candles? "
Need to check the venue for fire risks first
Marc |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We’re child free! Put us down
We see there is at least one dodgy couple committed already . Better count us in!! Can’t wait for Bedford social the return . Xx"
I’m sorry do we know you hehehe can’t wait to see you guys xxx |
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"We’re child free! Put us down
We see there is at least one dodgy couple committed already . Better count us in!! Can’t wait for Bedford social the return . Xx
I’m sorry do we know you hehehe can’t wait to see you guys xxx"
oh we need to pick your brains about GC, top tips required!! - we're thinking about heading there in Oct! |
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I came back from GC in march, all you need to go to is the Cita Centre shopping mall, basement floor! Unbelievable ?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Feel free to pick |
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D’parys should do well again from a Bedford social lol
Just checking with the boss if we are free that weekend and will let you know as soon as we both loved the last one xx |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Those who went to first social- hotel you'd recommend, please? |
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We’re free that weekend, is there space left for a couple of perverts to come along?
Hades |
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"D’parys should do well again from a Bedford social lol
Just checking with the boss if we are free that weekend and will let you know as soon as we both loved the last one xx"
Haha I was already on that one when we saw the date go up
Tinder |
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"Those who went to first social- hotel you'd recommend, please? "
D'parys is where we booked last time and again this time
Tinder |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Those who went to first social- hotel you'd recommend, please?
D'parys is where we booked last time and again this time
Tinder "
Thank you! I like the look of it. If you are returning - that's a good sign
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Hello Innocent & Sweet,
I would like to be added on your single-men list please.
Thank you,
toni |
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Please count us in as a yes. We had plans pencilled in but they have been rubbed out and rescheduled
This will be so much more fun can’t wait xx |
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"Those who went to first social- hotel you'd recommend, please? "
Are you guys coming up to VA afterwards |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Those who went to first social- hotel you'd recommend, please?
Are you guys coming up to VA afterwards "
That's entirely possible ! |
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** We may have another discounted offer for the VA afterparty, just waiting for them to check their calendars in case of a special event **
thank you for the amazing response, over half the spots have been filled already!
HFSB xx |
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Can you please me with HappyHippo |
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Yes please… loved the last one. Would love to come again please. Xxxx |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Put me down please... |
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Hi, missed the last one so would love to come along this time... looks like there's been quite a demand for single guy places - if there are any left I'd love to go on the list pls... |
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Ooooo never been to Bedford before! But heard of this social! I’m a maybe for now if that’s okay |
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By *st911Couple
over a year ago
hemel |
We are available again x |
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By *iggy5Man
over a year ago
Northamptonshire |
The first event was such fun. Already looking forward to the second!
Please add me to the list! |
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*** the list is now closed for single guys ***
We are running a waitlist should any drop out
Thanks,
HFSB xx |
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"*** the list is now closed for single guys ***
We are running a waitlist should any drop out
Thanks,
HFSB xx "
Phew - just in time |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"** We may have another discounted offer for the VA afterparty, just waiting for them to check their calendars in case of a special event **
thank you for the amazing response, over half the spots have been filled already!
HFSB xx "
That was quick! May I ask what's your capacity, please?
T |
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By *s.Scarlett-MWoman
over a year ago
Land of the Iceni (She/Her) |
Potentially free - do I need to be living in Bedfordshire to attend ?
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"Potentially free - do I need to be living in Bedfordshire to attend ?
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not at all we have people attend from all over the country |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Count me in |
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By *s.Scarlett-MWoman
over a year ago
Land of the Iceni (She/Her) |
"Potentially free - do I need to be living in Bedfordshire to attend ?
not at all we have people attend from all over the country "
Ok thanks I’ll check my fab diary |
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"Count me in"
sorry mr - we cannot message you at this time so wouldn't be able to add you to the list. |
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Hi everyone, (whilst poking my head round the corner to test the waters) lol
Im sean and I am a fun and hilarious guy, would you have any space for a genuine and shy at first.. Single guy please x if you don't then I am a adult guy and I understand the word NO lol x Sean
Fingers crossed and thank you x Sean |
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"Hi everyone, (whilst poking my head round the corner to test the waters) lol
Im sean and I am a fun and hilarious guy, would you have any space for a genuine and shy at first.. Single guy please x if you don't then I am a adult guy and I understand the word NO lol x Sean
Fingers crossed and thank you x Sean "
Hey Sean, we currently have a full complement of single guys but we are operating a wait list that you can join if you want? |
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"Hi everyone, (whilst poking my head round the corner to test the waters) lol
Im sean and I am a fun and hilarious guy, would you have any space for a genuine and shy at first.. Single guy please x if you don't then I am a adult guy and I understand the word NO lol x Sean
Fingers crossed and thank you x Sean
Hey Sean, we currently have a full complement of single guys but we are operating a wait list that you can join if you want?"
Oh ok cool thanks for your reply and i would love to join your list, it must be amazing if you are this busy already. Well done you both. How often do you arrange parties like this if you don't mind me asking x Sean |
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Can I be added to the list please.
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"Can I be added to the list please.
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I am so sorry to ask you this and please don't take it the wrong way lol,, im sean and I am a fun and professional guy i am genuine and very single, could I be so cheeky and ask if I can escot you to the party? As they have to many single guys already x Sean sorry to be so forward i hope i haven't broken the rules x Sean |
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Hotel booked and we can’t wait to join you all again |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Can I be added to the list please.
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Yay
T |
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"Can I be added to the list please.
I am so sorry to ask you this and please don't take it the wrong way lol,, im sean and I am a fun and professional guy i am genuine and very single, could I be so cheeky and ask if I can escot you to the party? As they have to many single guys already x Sean sorry to be so forward i hope i haven't broken the rules x Sean "
Thanks but I don't need to be escor*ed. |
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Hello my Friends!
RedHeadedVixen and I are in! |
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Yes please! Loved the first one |
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Hey guys.
Totally gutted that we cannot make this one as we really enjoyed your last social very much. However, we will be in PDI topping up our tans and hopefully much more. Keep us in mind for the one after please.
Xx |
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Hey, noticed that the single guy list is closed.
Could you please add me to the waiting list in case there are any drop outs?
Thanks |
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"Hey guys.
Totally gutted that we cannot make this one as we really enjoyed your last social very much. However, we will be in PDI topping up our tans and hopefully much more. Keep us in mind for the one after please.
Xx"
well we don't know who is missing out more with this turn of events!!
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"Hey, noticed that the single guy list is closed.
Could you please add me to the waiting list in case there are any drop outs?
Thanks"
Added to the wait list |
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"Can I be added to the list please.
I am so sorry to ask you this and please don't take it the wrong way lol,, im sean and I am a fun and professional guy i am genuine and very single, could I be so cheeky and ask if I can escot you to the party? As they have to many single guys already x Sean sorry to be so forward i hope i haven't broken the rules x Sean
Thanks but I don't need to be escor*ed. "
Damn and there was me just about to offer to look after you or to protect people from you. Not sure which
Marc |
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"Can I be added to the list please.
I am so sorry to ask you this and please don't take it the wrong way lol,, im sean and I am a fun and professional guy i am genuine and very single, could I be so cheeky and ask if I can escot you to the party? As they have to many single guys already x Sean sorry to be so forward i hope i haven't broken the rules x Sean
Thanks but I don't need to be escor*ed.
Damn and there was me just about to offer to look after you or to protect people from you. Not sure which
Marc"
but I'm BATMAN!! |
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Hi given, there seem to be a load of our local hot list attending, it would seem sensible to put our names down!
That is if there is still space?
R&Zx |
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By *il43Couple
over a year ago
Bedfordshire |
Can we also be added please |
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** OMG We are completely blown away by the response from you guys, we currently only have 4 spots left **
Waitlist running for single gents xx |
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We'd love to come along, haven't been out in ages x |
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"Can I be added to the list please.
I am so sorry to ask you this and please don't take it the wrong way lol,, im sean and I am a fun and professional guy i am genuine and very single, could I be so cheeky and ask if I can escot you to the party? As they have to many single guys already x Sean sorry to be so forward i hope i haven't broken the rules x Sean
Thanks but I don't need to be escor*ed.
Damn and there was me just about to offer to look after you or to protect people from you. Not sure which
Marc"
Think its, protect people from me
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"Can I be added to the list please.
I am so sorry to ask you this and please don't take it the wrong way lol,, im sean and I am a fun and professional guy i am genuine and very single, could I be so cheeky and ask if I can escot you to the party? As they have to many single guys already x Sean sorry to be so forward i hope i haven't broken the rules x Sean
Thanks but I don't need to be escor*ed.
Damn and there was me just about to offer to look after you or to protect people from you. Not sure which
Marc
but I'm BATMAN!!"
Happily give you the headache, I mean job
Marc |
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Can we be added as a possibility please.
Jo.Xx |
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"** OMG We are completely blown away by the response from you guys, we currently only have 4 spots left **
Waitlist running for single gents xx "
Oh my days eeee can I make mines yes instead of maybe |
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"** OMG We are completely blown away by the response from you guys, we currently only have 4 spots left **
Waitlist running for single gents xx
Oh my days eeee can I make mines yes instead of maybe "
Absolutely |
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** The Social is now full **
Can’t believe the response from you all tbh, that was so fast!
Waitlist now running for Couples, Single Gent’s & Single Ladies.
For those that gave us your telegram info we will be launching the chat in early July!
HFSB xx
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Hotel is booked and we may even brave and break our club virginity after
Tinder |
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Current Guest List:
Holy Fuck Sticks Batman
Kinky Chameloens
Milestones
Alara
Oily Cock Wanks
Kinky 2
_eojonty
_isskissbangbang69
tipsy two
_aughty shift worker
28 boxer
Comtessa Winkle
The L's
fast&thecurious2
Sprite & Clit
Behind her eyes
needybbw
Pixie & Hades
NewAdventures
Caucasian Ghandi
Mr Mc Mister
NSAcambs
hornydilf2014
Spacemanandher1
Abootyfulday
_st911
_iggy5
_exleyboy
racingsam
_ong-leggedblond
bedfordtowncouple
_iss cleo
red headed vixen
starting to explore
_edscpl33
_il43
Sex Bombs
curiouscouple4fun2022
hotnhorny2
easy riders
meli
_ntrigued32
Kitty1975
So excited to be party planning again |
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Put us down please, first time for us x |
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Hey could I be added to the wait list please? x |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Current Guest List:
Holy Fuck Sticks Batman
Kinky Chameloens
Milestones
Alara
Oily Cock Wanks
Kinky 2
_eojonty
_isskissbangbang69
tipsy two
_aughty shift worker
28 boxer
Comtessa Winkle
The L's
fast&thecurious2
Sprite & Clit
Behind her eyes
needybbw
Pixie & Hades
NewAdventures
Caucasian Ghandi
Mr Mc Mister
NSAcambs
hornydilf2014
Spacemanandher1
Abootyfulday
_st911
_iggy5
_exleyboy
racingsam
_ong-leggedblond
bedfordtowncouple
_iss cleo
red headed vixen
starting to explore
_edscpl33
_il43
Sex Bombs
curiouscouple4fun2022
hotnhorny2
easy riders
meli
_ntrigued32
Kitty1975
So excited to be party planning again "
Nice to see so many familiar names |
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Just seen it’s fully booked, We will have to try get to the next one!
Sarah xx |
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By *r.SJMan
over a year ago
Wellingborough |
Only just spotted this and appreciate its fully booked but, slowly dipping my toe in again and would be good to get out again and hence forth...if I could be added to a waiting list |
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I love a good social and from the comments you seem (mostly) sane and friendly.
Could I be added to the reserve list with a +1? |
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By *lex0147Man
over a year ago
biggleswade |
Yes, I’m interested please put me down |
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*** Please Note ***
If you change your username please remember to drop us a message, if we can't find you then you will be taken off the list!!
Thanks,
HFSB xx |
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Group chat just went live, if we don't have your telegram ID & want to be involved please drop us a message with your details xx |
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By *r.SJMan
over a year ago
Wellingborough |
"Group chat just went live, if we don't have your telegram ID & want to be involved please drop us a message with your details xx "
Is the Telegram for those on the waiting list as well? |
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Ahh dates didn't work for us due to cockblockers but definitely keeping an eye out for the next one |
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It’s a great night! Get your names down for the next one… presuming HFSB are kind enough to organise a third! |
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"It’s a great night! Get your names down for the next one… presuming HFSB are kind enough to organise a third! "
I just need to remember to keep checking the forums |
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"Hey, noticed that the single guy list is closed.
Could you please add me to the waiting list in case there are any drop outs?
Thanks
Added to the wait list "
Sorry, can't make it anymore. Could you please remove me from the waiting list.
Hopefully another time. Have a great time all! |
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Hey guys could I be removed from the guest list so you can invite another single guy please? I will be on holiday now in Sitges on those dates of the social but I will keep an eye open for the next one you hold. Have a good time. |
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By *atlee99Couple
over a year ago
Oxford |
Can we be added to the guest list please x |
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By *atlee99Couple
over a year ago
Oxford |
Sorry just seen it’s full, can we get on the wait list please x |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Would love to attend! |
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"Is it September yet!
Tinder "
Why yes, yes it is
Ok I’m lying but not long now xx |
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Id love to join the waiting list for single guys. |
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Message sent Appreciate it's a wait list situation |
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"Message sent Appreciate it's a wait list situation "
And I had the walnuts already |
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"Message sent Appreciate it's a wait list situation
And I had the walnuts already "
Hey, I may still be there, keep hold of them!!!! |
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"Message sent Appreciate it's a wait list situation
And I had the walnuts already "
Pack those walnuts! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Could I attend this social |
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"Message sent Appreciate it's a wait list situation
And I had the walnuts already
Pack those walnuts! "
There in the bag of tricks |
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By *edhead00Woman
over a year ago
East Midlands |
Only just seen this. A shame the list is full but would be interested in attending your next one x |
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Hi there would you please put us down for this great event. look forward to going and meeting others. thanks again. |
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"Message sent Appreciate it's a wait list situation
And I had the walnuts already
Pack those walnuts!
There in the bag of tricks "
Perfect. Get clenching |
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"Message sent Appreciate it's a wait list situation
And I had the walnuts already
Pack those walnuts!
There in the bag of tricks
Perfect. Get clenching "
I've been doing squats in practice |
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"Message sent Appreciate it's a wait list situation
And I had the walnuts already
Pack those walnuts!
There in the bag of tricks
Perfect. Get clenching
I've been doing squats in practice "
Ooooffffft! I like a man who takes a challenge seriously. My expectations have been raised |
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"Message sent Appreciate it's a wait list situation
And I had the walnuts already
Pack those walnuts!
There in the bag of tricks
Perfect. Get clenching
I've been doing squats in practice
Ooooffffft! I like a man who takes a challenge seriously. My expectations have been raised "
I look forward to disappointing another lady |
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"Message sent Appreciate it's a wait list situation
And I had the walnuts already
Pack those walnuts!
There in the bag of tricks
Perfect. Get clenching
I've been doing squats in practice
Ooooffffft! I like a man who takes a challenge seriously. My expectations have been raised
I look forward to disappointing another lady "
I look forward to being disappointed |
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By *rkeen85Man
over a year ago
Hampshire |
I'm in the area that night. I'm in. |
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"Message sent Appreciate it's a wait list situation
And I had the walnuts already
Pack those walnuts!
There in the bag of tricks
Perfect. Get clenching
I've been doing squats in practice
Ooooffffft! I like a man who takes a challenge seriously. My expectations have been raised
I look forward to disappointing another lady
I look forward to being disappointed "
Roll on the social. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm in the area that night. I'm in. "
That’s not how it works… |
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"Message sent Appreciate it's a wait list situation
Finally
I didn't see this thread til last week Coulda sent me a message "
Could... but didn't |
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"Message sent Appreciate it's a wait list situation
Finally
I didn't see this thread til last week Coulda sent me a message "
Beds, I'm not able to go this time.
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"Message sent Appreciate it's a wait list situation
Finally
I didn't see this thread til last week Coulda sent me a message
Beds, I'm not able to go this time.
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Oh no Off on your travels? |
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Hey you! Sounds great fun! Would love to attend x |
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By *parkybunnyCouple
over a year ago
Zurich. NOT London. |
Just seen this. We are back in the UK and near there that weekend.
Shame it's fully booked. If any spaces become available, we'd love to join you. X |
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By *tuvyMan
over a year ago
bedford |
Do you still have space for single male? |
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Hey fabbers - hope you’ve all had a great BH weekend this is the Final check in, please can you respond to confirm attendance!
Thanks xx
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"Hey fabbers - hope you’ve all had a great BH weekend this is the Final check in, please can you respond to confirm attendance!
Thanks xx
Yep definitely be there
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We’ll be there |
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Looking forward tonight we’ll still coming |
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"Well, Well, Well - we are back for another round!
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Yes, I can make this as I’m in Bedford the entire weekend. |
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** Couples & Single Ladies **
If you are planning on coming along to VA for the afterparty please could you send me your membership numbers.
Thanks,
HFSB xx |
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"** Couples & Single Ladies **
If you are planning on coming along to VA for the afterparty please could you send me your membership numbers.
Thanks,
HFSB xx "
If you have any spots left we would love to come to the social and the after party!
It's been far too long since we saw you last xx |
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By *unch43Man
over a year ago
Bedford |
Would love to attend my first event here! |
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We will definitely be there!
Tinder |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm interested, if you'd like to pm me... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Very interested Bedford BBC |
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Single Gent spaces are filled, we are holding a waitlist for those that didn't make the main list 1st time round. If you wan to be added to this please drop us a DM. |
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** Last Call **
Please could you send us your VA membership number if you're planning on coming to the afterparty
Thanks,
HFSB xx |
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"Hey fabbers - hope you’ve all had a great BH weekend this is the Final check in, please can you respond to confirm attendance!
Thanks xx
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I'll be there |
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By *iggy5Man
over a year ago
Northamptonshire |
"Hey fabbers - hope you’ve all had a great BH weekend this is the Final check in, please can you respond to confirm attendance!
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I'm still attending too! |
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Sorry only just seen this... definitely be there - looking forward to it |
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Yep, yep . Still coming. Should we be booking VA tickets yet? |
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By *he LsCouple
over a year ago
East Midlands |
"Hey fabbers - hope you’ve all had a great BH weekend this is the Final check in, please can you respond to confirm attendance!
Thanks xx
We are definitely in ;-* xx
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We will be there . No VA for us, but we will probably go back to Jaydees afterwards, as they have an all-day event on. |
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By *andemanMan
over a year ago
bedforshire |
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By *andemanMan
over a year ago
bedforshire |
Will be there for sure, looking forwaed to it. |
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By *andemanMan
over a year ago
bedforshire |
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Hi there could you put us down please. we would love to come. |
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we confirm to be there looking forward to it. |
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By *il43Couple
over a year ago
Bedfordshire |
Will be there |
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Don’t forget to let us know the location |
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Messages will be sent out in the next day or so for the venue location!
Cannot bloody wait to see you all! |
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"Messages will be sent out in the next day or so for the venue location!
Cannot bloody wait to see you all! "
Super excited! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Can we be added to the waitlist please x |
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