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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Under the circumstances, with people unsure about their income and if they’re going to get paid next week or the week after, I think site fees should be waived. It’s a swinger site after all and they’re, rightly, telling us we can’t arrange meets. So it’s all well and good saying we (fab) are supporting our NHS, but let’s support m_mbers too.

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By *arlomaleMan  over a year ago

darlington

But surely the site owners need an income

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By *mberWoman  over a year ago

Preston

It is free....if you choose not to pay.

So if you're skint do the free option, until you aren't!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

god not another one ffs

anyway the site is free

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"But surely the site owners need an income "

I’m sure they’ve had a pretty tidy income from the site over the years.

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By *ENGUYMan  over a year ago

Hull


"Under the circumstances, with people unsure about their income and if they’re going to get paid next week or the week after, I think site fees should be waived. It’s a swinger site after all and they’re, rightly, telling us we can’t arrange meets. So it’s all well and good saying we (fab) are supporting our NHS, but let’s support m_mbers too. "

They did put out a note in the past 24 hours indicating they will refund the monthly fee if requested.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Choosing to be on a swinger site is so vital because...?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

How about we all donate a fiver to the nhs and I’m sure the site owners will join in.

Why should they give away a service that’s just as in demand now as it was last year?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Under the circumstances, with people unsure about their income and if they’re going to get paid next week or the week after, I think site fees should be waived. It’s a swinger site after all and they’re, rightly, telling us we can’t arrange meets. So it’s all well and good saying we (fab) are supporting our NHS, but let’s support m_mbers too. "

What a ridiculous thing to think. This is not a necessity for anyone. If you don't want to pay for the service then dont pay but why should they run it free.

Would you mind going to the shops and please pick up some wine for me and drop it off at my gate ..no ? Why not ? Surely with everything going on you should buy me wine and bring it over .

Jeez

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

No play, no pay. I like it!

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"It is free....if you choose not to pay.

So if you're skint do the free option, until you aren't!"

It is free. But you get a very limited and restricted version for free.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Jeez, another I want a freebie thread, that's 3 I've seen now, have you asked netflix, amazon and your isp to waiver their fees?

I'm going try and my road tax and car insurance waivered since I'm not using it.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"But surely the site owners need an income

I’m sure they’ve had a pretty tidy income from the site over the years. "

Why shouldn't they continue to recieve it?

How much they make is irrelevant, you can use a good portion of the site for free as many 1000s do.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Unlike any other site of this nature this one is fundamentally free, hence my annual dilemma thread a couple of days ago

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It Is free. Well basic package. Why world became so entitled suddenly?

It's not a lifeline thing. Like an access to healthcare or something.

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By *arlomaleMan  over a year ago

darlington


"But surely the site owners need an income

I’m sure they’ve had a pretty tidy income from the site over the years. "

probably but does that mean they have to give freebies you still can use fab without the subscription so it’s you’re choice

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Under the circumstances, with people unsure about their income and if they’re going to get paid next week or the week after, I think site fees should be waived. It’s a swinger site after all and they’re, rightly, telling us we can’t arrange meets. So it’s all well and good saying we (fab) are supporting our NHS, but let’s support m_mbers too.

They did put out a note in the past 24 hours indicating they will refund the monthly fee if requested."

And reduce your m_mbership to non m_mber restrictions? Limited access, limited pics you can post?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It’s a swingers site

Ya ain’t swinging at the moment

Therefore you don’t need fab

And don’t need to pay £5

The site is bloody free

So many people are wanting things for free just because of covid-19

It’s ridiculous

If you’re unsure of your income and if you can afford the £5 for a SUPPORTERS PASS (so, you’re supporting the site!) then use the site for free

Fab isn’t a necessity. It’s a luxury

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman  over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire


"Jeez, another I want a freebie thread, that's 3 I've seen now, have you asked netflix, amazon and your isp to waiver their fees?

I'm going try and my road tax and car insurance waivered since I'm not using it."

Just class it as off road so you don't have to pay.

I've got a months free internet off my provider and didn't even ask for it.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman  over a year ago

little house on the praire

Fucking hell this is the second thread today. You dont pay to join fab its a free site you pay a supporters fee for added features. If you cant afford it dont pay.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It would be rather better to donate an amount to NHS and the owners of the site match it.

A good cause after all....

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By *he riverdeep69Couple  over a year ago

North west ish


"Under the circumstances, with people unsure about their income and if they’re going to get paid next week or the week after, I think site fees should be waived. It’s a swinger site after all and they’re, rightly, telling us we can’t arrange meets. So it’s all well and good saying we (fab) are supporting our NHS, but let’s support m_mbers too. "

Oh my god another 'fab needs to be free' thread. FFS it is free! Nobody is forcing you to pay for site supporter. Cheapskates - so unsexy!!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It is free....if you choose not to pay.

So if you're skint do the free option, until you aren't!

It is free. But you get a very limited and restricted version for free. "

Its actually not that limited, less pics for upload, no who viewed me reveal (which is irrelevant to men as women and a lot of couples view in ninja mode anyway) and no 30s videos (which is a relatively new feature)

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Jeez, another I want a freebie thread, that's 3 I've seen now, have you asked netflix, amazon and your isp to waiver their fees?

I'm going try and my road tax and car insurance waivered since I'm not using it."

Ummmm...have Netflix amazon and your isp told you you can’t use the service you signed up for because of the current crisis? I’m

Not disputing the fact we shouldn’t be meeting but it is a SWINGER site!! If you can’t swing on a swinger site and can only look at pics it’s basically become a porn site and most of those are FREE!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Jeez, another I want a freebie thread, that's 3 I've seen now, have you asked netflix, amazon and your isp to waiver their fees?

I'm going try and my road tax and car insurance waivered since I'm not using it.

Just class it as off road so you don't have to pay.

I've got a months free internet off my provider and didn't even ask for it."

I was been sarcastic that's very decent of your ISP to be fair.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"It would be rather better to donate an amount to NHS and the owners of the site match it.

A good cause after all.... "

Maybe not to the NHS, lots of logistical and probably moral issues for the NHS to accept money from a swinger site. But I’m sure it could be donated somehow to a worthy cause

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By *he riverdeep69Couple  over a year ago

North west ish


"Jeez, another I want a freebie thread, that's 3 I've seen now, have you asked netflix, amazon and your isp to waiver their fees?

I'm going try and my road tax and car insurance waivered since I'm not using it.

Ummmm...have Netflix amazon and your isp told you you can’t use the service you signed up for because of the current crisis? I’m

Not disputing the fact we shouldn’t be meeting but it is a SWINGER site!! If you can’t swing on a swinger site and can only look at pics it’s basically become a porn site and most of those are FREE! "

I'm sure they posted you can get a refund. Leave if you are expecting to meet from here now.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Jeez, another I want a freebie thread, that's 3 I've seen now, have you asked netflix, amazon and your isp to waiver their fees?

I'm going try and my road tax and car insurance waivered since I'm not using it.

Ummmm...have Netflix amazon and your isp told you you can’t use the service you signed up for because of the current crisis? I’m

Not disputing the fact we shouldn’t be meeting but it is a SWINGER site!! If you can’t swing on a swinger site and can only look at pics it’s basically become a porn site and most of those are FREE! "

I used to pay to be on here when I was here before, and couldn’t get a meet or get laid for toffee! If my periodical £5 was meant to guarantee me getting my leg over , can I have a £500 refund please Admin? Pleeeease??

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By *ineMan  over a year ago

In cave behind a waterfall on a hill

Dont feed the trolls....

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By *xMFM3sumsxxWoman  over a year ago

SouthWest Lancashire


"Jeez, another I want a freebie thread, that's 3 I've seen now, have you asked netflix, amazon and your isp to waiver their fees?

I'm going try and my road tax and car insurance waivered since I'm not using it.

Just class it as off road so you don't have to pay.

I've got a months free internet off my provider and didn't even ask for it.

I was been sarcastic that's very decent of your ISP to be fair."

Yeah they wanted to make sure people stay connected at this time.

And sarcasm is often never clear over the internet lol, was happy to help if i could.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Jeez, another I want a freebie thread, that's 3 I've seen now, have you asked netflix, amazon and your isp to waiver their fees?

I'm going try and my road tax and car insurance waivered since I'm not using it.

Ummmm...have Netflix amazon and your isp told you you can’t use the service you signed up for because of the current crisis? I’m

Not disputing the fact we shouldn’t be meeting but it is a SWINGER site!! If you can’t swing on a swinger site and can only look at pics it’s basically become a porn site and most of those are FREE! "

So to you swinging is meeting? Talking to people and making connections isn't? And technically fab havent stopped you meeting, the government have, fab are just doing their bit to help ensure people bide by the government's rules, try claiming your fee back from the government.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Jeez, another I want a freebie thread, that's 3 I've seen now, have you asked netflix, amazon and your isp to waiver their fees?

I'm going try and my road tax and car insurance waivered since I'm not using it.

Just class it as off road so you don't have to pay.

I've got a months free internet off my provider and didn't even ask for it.

I was been sarcastic that's very decent of your ISP to be fair.

Yeah they wanted to make sure people stay connected at this time.

And sarcasm is often never clear over the internet lol, was happy to help if i could. "

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By *arlomaleMan  over a year ago

darlington


"It would be rather better to donate an amount to NHS and the owners of the site match it.

A good cause after all....

Maybe not to the NHS, lots of logistical and probably moral issues for the NHS to accept money from a swinger site. But I’m sure it could be donated somehow to a worthy cause "

on a lighter note imagine the face on the person who opens the envelope with the cheque from fab inside

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It would be rather better to donate an amount to NHS and the owners of the site match it.

A good cause after all....

Maybe not to the NHS, lots of logistical and probably moral issues for the NHS to accept money from a swinger site. But I’m sure it could be donated somehow to a worthy cause on a lighter note imagine the face on the person who opens the envelope with the cheque from fab inside "

They’d need more than 65% alcohol sanitiser after that!

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Jeez, another I want a freebie thread, that's 3 I've seen now, have you asked netflix, amazon and your isp to waiver their fees?

I'm going try and my road tax and car insurance waivered since I'm not using it.

Ummmm...have Netflix amazon and your isp told you you can’t use the service you signed up for because of the current crisis? I’m

Not disputing the fact we shouldn’t be meeting but it is a SWINGER site!! If you can’t swing on a swinger site and can only look at pics it’s basically become a porn site and most of those are FREE!

So to you swinging is meeting? Talking to people and making connections isn't? And technically fab havent stopped you meeting, the government have, fab are just doing their bit to help ensure people bide by the government's rules, try claiming your fee back from the government. "

So fab are the police now are they? As I’ve said already I don’t dispute we shouldn’t be meeting. But to charge for a service that, is fundmentally what you’re about, yet not allowing that service no matter what the circumstances, Is wrong. It’s like me selling you a car but not giving you the keys. But still taking your money and saying, well you’ve still got the car!

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"It would be rather better to donate an amount to NHS and the owners of the site match it.

A good cause after all....

Maybe not to the NHS, lots of logistical and probably moral issues for the NHS to accept money from a swinger site. But I’m sure it could be donated somehow to a worthy cause on a lighter note imagine the face on the person who opens the envelope with the cheque from fab inside

They’d need more than 65% alcohol sanitiser after that!"

Haha...and we all know hospitals are out of sanitiser lol.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

If you're worried about £5.00 a month, Fab should be the lesst of your worries If you don't like paying the money, don't pay it, not really sure why you need to tell everyone about it.. And the things you get by paying the money aren't really anything to do with meeting, so theoretically no one is losing anything, from my knowledge they've disabled the meets section which isn't anything to do with the paid perks

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By *HaRiFMan  over a year ago

Beyond the shadows.


"Under the circumstances, with people unsure about their income and if they’re going to get paid next week or the week after, I think site fees should be waived. It’s a swinger site after all and they’re, rightly, telling us we can’t arrange meets. So it’s all well and good saying we (fab) are supporting our NHS, but let’s support m_mbers too. "

Interesting so how would you propose that they do that on a site that is free to use?

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By *arlomaleMan  over a year ago

darlington


"It would be rather better to donate an amount to NHS and the owners of the site match it.

A good cause after all....

Maybe not to the NHS, lots of logistical and probably moral issues for the NHS to accept money from a swinger site. But I’m sure it could be donated somehow to a worthy cause on a lighter note imagine the face on the person who opens the envelope with the cheque from fab inside

They’d need more than 65% alcohol sanitiser after that!"

nah we all do safe sex on fab so no problem

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Under the circumstances, with people unsure about their income and if they’re going to get paid next week or the week after, I think site fees should be waived. It’s a swinger site after all and they’re, rightly, telling us we can’t arrange meets. So it’s all well and good saying we (fab) are supporting our NHS, but let’s support m_mbers too.

Interesting so how would you propose that they do that on a site that is free to use?"

. Cancel subscriptions to those that have subscribed already but still provide them with the service they usually pay for. Simples!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Jeez, another I want a freebie thread, that's 3 I've seen now, have you asked netflix, amazon and your isp to waiver their fees?

I'm going try and my road tax and car insurance waivered since I'm not using it.

Ummmm...have Netflix amazon and your isp told you you can’t use the service you signed up for because of the current crisis? I’m

Not disputing the fact we shouldn’t be meeting but it is a SWINGER site!! If you can’t swing on a swinger site and can only look at pics it’s basically become a porn site and most of those are FREE!

So to you swinging is meeting? Talking to people and making connections isn't? And technically fab havent stopped you meeting, the government have, fab are just doing their bit to help ensure people bide by the government's rules, try claiming your fee back from the government.

So fab are the police now are they? As I’ve said already I don’t dispute we shouldn’t be meeting. But to charge for a service that, is fundmentally what you’re about, yet not allowing that service no matter what the circumstances, Is wrong. It’s like me selling you a car but not giving you the keys. But still taking your money and saying, well you’ve still got the car! "

No they're not but consider this then. When you pay your voluntary fee does that fee cover the meets section? As a free user of the site are you not allowed to meet? What exactly is it that you're paying for that they aren't providing you? You have paid your fee and you are still getting all the perks that being a site supporter entitles you to. Now if they removed any of the perks that you've paid for then I would agree with you but since they havent...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Jeez, another I want a freebie thread, that's 3 I've seen now, have you asked netflix, amazon and your isp to waiver their fees?

I'm going try and my road tax and car insurance waivered since I'm not using it.

Ummmm...have Netflix amazon and your isp told you you can’t use the service you signed up for because of the current crisis? I’m

Not disputing the fact we shouldn’t be meeting but it is a SWINGER site!! If you can’t swing on a swinger site and can only look at pics it’s basically become a porn site and most of those are FREE!

So to you swinging is meeting? Talking to people and making connections isn't? And technically fab havent stopped you meeting, the government have, fab are just doing their bit to help ensure people bide by the government's rules, try claiming your fee back from the government.

So fab are the police now are they? As I’ve said already I don’t dispute we shouldn’t be meeting. But to charge for a service that, is fundmentally what you’re about, yet not allowing that service no matter what the circumstances, Is wrong. It’s like me selling you a car but not giving you the keys. But still taking your money and saying, well you’ve still got the car! "

so leave then if its such an expense, you just as well, because the chances of you getting a meet after this thread are zero anyway now, people dont want to meet cheapskates, dont let the door hit you on the way out, trust me you will be missed

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By *HaRiFMan  over a year ago

Beyond the shadows.


"Under the circumstances, with people unsure about their income and if they’re going to get paid next week or the week after, I think site fees should be waived. It’s a swinger site after all and they’re, rightly, telling us we can’t arrange meets. So it’s all well and good saying we (fab) are supporting our NHS, but let’s support m_mbers too.

Interesting so how would you propose that they do that on a site that is free to use?. Cancel subscriptions to those that have subscribed already but still provide them with the service they usually pay for. Simples! "

There is no subscriptions, its a free site

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It only allows you to view who looked at you can the chatroom but thats basically it tbh not worth paying for

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"If you're worried about £5.00 a month, Fab should be the lesst of your worries If you don't like paying the money, don't pay it, not really sure why you need to tell everyone about it.. And the things you get by paying the money aren't really anything to do with meeting, so theoretically no one is losing anything, from my knowledge they've disabled the meets section which isn't anything to do with the paid perks "
I guess having been here for 9 weeks and not showing and verifications you joined for reasons other than to swing. It’s called fab swingers...look up swingers in the dictionary and tell me their definition. By the way, I’m surprised you’ve not been verified, you’re hot

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It only allows you to view who looked at you can the chatroom but thats basically it tbh not worth paying for"
And videos.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It only allows you to view who looked at you can the chatroom but thats basically it tbh not worth paying for And videos."

True but pornhub gives u free vidoes anyway lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Under the circumstances, with people unsure about their income and if they’re going to get paid next week or the week after, I think site fees should be waived. It’s a swinger site after all and they’re, rightly, telling us we can’t arrange meets. So it’s all well and good saying we (fab) are supporting our NHS, but let’s support m_mbers too.

Interesting so how would you propose that they do that on a site that is free to use?. Cancel subscriptions to those that have subscribed already but still provide them with the service they usually pay for. Simples!

There is no subscriptions, its a free site "

Not for subscribers it isn’t.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It only allows you to view who looked at you can the chatroom but thats basically it tbh not worth paying for And videos.

True but pornhub gives u free vidoes anyway lol "

Is this a bad time to mention that porn hub are doing 30 days free premium

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By *HaRiFMan  over a year ago

Beyond the shadows.


"Under the circumstances, with people unsure about their income and if they’re going to get paid next week or the week after, I think site fees should be waived. It’s a swinger site after all and they’re, rightly, telling us we can’t arrange meets. So it’s all well and good saying we (fab) are supporting our NHS, but let’s support m_mbers too.

Interesting so how would you propose that they do that on a site that is free to use?. Cancel subscriptions to those that have subscribed already but still provide them with the service they usually pay for. Simples!

There is no subscriptions, its a free site

Not for subscribers it isn’t. "

As I said you can use the site for free

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Under the circumstances, with people unsure about their income and if they’re going to get paid next week or the week after, I think site fees should be waived. It’s a swinger site after all and they’re, rightly, telling us we can’t arrange meets. So it’s all well and good saying we (fab) are supporting our NHS, but let’s support m_mbers too.

Interesting so how would you propose that they do that on a site that is free to use?. Cancel subscriptions to those that have subscribed already but still provide them with the service they usually pay for. Simples!

There is no subscriptions, its a free site

Not for subscribers it isn’t.

As I said you can use the site for free"

And be limited on site use. No chat room, no video viewing, no forum posts...the list goes on.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Under the circumstances, with people unsure about their income and if they’re going to get paid next week or the week after, I think site fees should be waived. It’s a swinger site after all and they’re, rightly, telling us we can’t arrange meets. So it’s all well and good saying we (fab) are supporting our NHS, but let’s support m_mbers too.

Interesting so how would you propose that they do that on a site that is free to use?. Cancel subscriptions to those that have subscribed already but still provide them with the service they usually pay for. Simples!

There is no subscriptions, its a free site

Not for subscribers it isn’t.

As I said you can use the site for free

And be limited on site use. No chat room, no video viewing, no forum posts...the list goes on. "

Forums open to anyone.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Under the circumstances, with people unsure about their income and if they’re going to get paid next week or the week after, I think site fees should be waived. It’s a swinger site after all and they’re, rightly, telling us we can’t arrange meets. So it’s all well and good saying we (fab) are supporting our NHS, but let’s support m_mbers too.

Interesting so how would you propose that they do that on a site that is free to use?. Cancel subscriptions to those that have subscribed already but still provide them with the service they usually pay for. Simples!

There is no subscriptions, its a free site

Not for subscribers it isn’t.

As I said you can use the site for free

And be limited on site use. No chat room, no video viewing, no forum posts...the list goes on. "

As you keep saying but have provided no solid argument as to why they should give it you for free.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Under the circumstances, with people unsure about their income and if they’re going to get paid next week or the week after, I think site fees should be waived. It’s a swinger site after all and they’re, rightly, telling us we can’t arrange meets. So it’s all well and good saying we (fab) are supporting our NHS, but let’s support m_mbers too.

Interesting so how would you propose that they do that on a site that is free to use?. Cancel subscriptions to those that have subscribed already but still provide them with the service they usually pay for. Simples!

There is no subscriptions, its a free site

Not for subscribers it isn’t.

As I said you can use the site for free

And be limited on site use. No chat room, no video viewing, no forum posts...the list goes on.

As you keep saying but have provided no solid argument as to why they should give it you for free."

Do you read what people post before you comment?

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By *HaRiFMan  over a year ago

Beyond the shadows.


"Under the circumstances, with people unsure about their income and if they’re going to get paid next week or the week after, I think site fees should be waived. It’s a swinger site after all and they’re, rightly, telling us we can’t arrange meets. So it’s all well and good saying we (fab) are supporting our NHS, but let’s support m_mbers too.

Interesting so how would you propose that they do that on a site that is free to use?. Cancel subscriptions to those that have subscribed already but still provide them with the service they usually pay for. Simples!

There is no subscriptions, its a free site

Not for subscribers it isn’t.

As I said you can use the site for free

And be limited on site use. No chat room, no video viewing, no forum posts...the list goes on. "

Why let the facts get in the way of a good story hey. We can all make up list's doesn't necessary mean its correct .

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By *LIRTWITHUSCouple  over a year ago

Chester

Let's all register as a charity

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Jeez, another I want a freebie thread, that's 3 I've seen now, have you asked netflix, amazon and your isp to waiver their fees?

I'm going try and my road tax and car insurance waivered since I'm not using it.

Ummmm...have Netflix amazon and your isp told you you can’t use the service you signed up for because of the current crisis? I’m

Not disputing the fact we shouldn’t be meeting but it is a SWINGER site!! If you can’t swing on a swinger site and can only look at pics it’s basically become a porn site and most of those are FREE!

So to you swinging is meeting? Talking to people and making connections isn't? And technically fab havent stopped you meeting, the government have, fab are just doing their bit to help ensure people bide by the government's rules, try claiming your fee back from the government.

So fab are the police now are they? As I’ve said already I don’t dispute we shouldn’t be meeting. But to charge for a service that, is fundmentally what you’re about, yet not allowing that service no matter what the circumstances, Is wrong. It’s like me selling you a car but not giving you the keys. But still taking your money and saying, well you’ve still got the car!

No they're not but consider this then. When you pay your voluntary fee does that fee cover the meets section? As a free user of the site are you not allowed to meet? What exactly is it that you're paying for that they aren't providing you? You have paid your fee and you are still getting all the perks that being a site supporter entitles you to. Now if they removed any of the perks that you've paid for then I would agree with you but since they havent... "

I'll just re quote this since you appear to have ignored it and not told me yet which of the perks that you have paid for but are not in receipt of have a nice day.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman  over a year ago

little house on the praire

This thread has actually made me laugh

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Under the circumstances, with people unsure about their income and if they’re going to get paid next week or the week after, I think site fees should be waived. It’s a swinger site after all and they’re, rightly, telling us we can’t arrange meets. So it’s all well and good saying we (fab) are supporting our NHS, but let’s support m_mbers too.

Interesting so how would you propose that they do that on a site that is free to use?. Cancel subscriptions to those that have subscribed already but still provide them with the service they usually pay for. Simples!

There is no subscriptions, its a free site

Not for subscribers it isn’t.

As I said you can use the site for free

And be limited on site use. No chat room, no video viewing, no forum posts...the list goes on.

Why let the facts get in the way of a good story hey. We can all make up list's doesn't necessary mean its correct .

"

I might be wrong about forum posts. But, you seem reasonably intelligent, so tell me why would people pay £5 a month or every 6 weeks or whatever it is for the same level

Of access to a site as people that pay nothing? You see one page of top fabs. One page of local updates. No verifications on profiles. So you tell me??

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By *DreamOfGenieWoman  over a year ago

London


"

I might be wrong about forum posts. But, you seem reasonably intelligent, so tell me why would people pay £5 a month or every 6 weeks or whatever it is for the same level

Of access to a site as people that pay nothing? You see one page of top fabs. One page of local updates. No verifications on profiles. So you tell me?? "

It's pretty simple - if you don't want to pay a fiver for almost two months access to posting extra photos, vids etc...then don't No-one's forcing you!

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"This thread has actually made me laugh "

It was posted in good humour

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"

I might be wrong about forum posts. But, you seem reasonably intelligent, so tell me why would people pay £5 a month or every 6 weeks or whatever it is for the same level

Of access to a site as people that pay nothing? You see one page of top fabs. One page of local updates. No verifications on profiles. So you tell me??

It's pretty simple - if you don't want to pay a fiver for almost two months access to posting extra photos, vids etc...then don't No-one's forcing you!"

It’s hard times for all of us. Many of us won’t be getting paid over the coming months. Those that are will be on reduced incomes. The site is limiting options so they should extend subscriptions for those that pay until this is over.

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By *HaRiFMan  over a year ago

Beyond the shadows.


"Under the circumstances, with people unsure about their income and if they’re going to get paid next week or the week after, I think site fees should be waived. It’s a swinger site after all and they’re, rightly, telling us we can’t arrange meets. So it’s all well and good saying we (fab) are supporting our NHS, but let’s support m_mbers too.

Interesting so how would you propose that they do that on a site that is free to use?. Cancel subscriptions to those that have subscribed already but still provide them with the service they usually pay for. Simples!

There is no subscriptions, its a free site

Not for subscribers it isn’t.

As I said you can use the site for free

And be limited on site use. No chat room, no video viewing, no forum posts...the list goes on.

Why let the facts get in the way of a good story hey. We can all make up list's doesn't necessary mean its correct .

I might be wrong about forum posts. But, you seem reasonably intelligent, so tell me why would people pay £5 a month or every 6 weeks or whatever it is for the same level

Of access to a site as people that pay nothing? You see one page of top fabs. One page of local updates. No verifications on profiles. So you tell me?? "

Why do people pay for curry sauce with their Fish and Chips, does not having it detract from their hunger ?

But Anyways the main thing is you don't have to pay for it if you don't want to.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Jeez, another I want a freebie thread, that's 3 I've seen now, have you asked netflix, amazon and your isp to waiver their fees?

I'm going try and my road tax and car insurance waivered since I'm not using it.

Ummmm...have Netflix amazon and your isp told you you can’t use the service you signed up for because of the current crisis? I’m

Not disputing the fact we shouldn’t be meeting but it is a SWINGER site!! If you can’t swing on a swinger site and can only look at pics it’s basically become a porn site and most of those are FREE!

So to you swinging is meeting? Talking to people and making connections isn't? And technically fab havent stopped you meeting, the government have, fab are just doing their bit to help ensure people bide by the government's rules, try claiming your fee back from the government.

So fab are the police now are they? As I’ve said already I don’t dispute we shouldn’t be meeting. But to charge for a service that, is fundmentally what you’re about, yet not allowing that service no matter what the circumstances, Is wrong. It’s like me selling you a car but not giving you the keys. But still taking your money and saying, well you’ve still got the car!

No they're not but consider this then. When you pay your voluntary fee does that fee cover the meets section? As a free user of the site are you not allowed to meet? What exactly is it that you're paying for that they aren't providing you? You have paid your fee and you are still getting all the perks that being a site supporter entitles you to. Now if they removed any of the perks that you've paid for then I would agree with you but since they havent...

I'll just re quote this since you appear to have ignored it and not told me yet which of the perks that you have paid for but are not in receipt of have a nice day."

Still cant answer this question then?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Because £5 a month is really gonna save you...

If it was £50 I would understand the complaint. But this is ridiculous.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

I might be wrong about forum posts. But, you seem reasonably intelligent, so tell me why would people pay £5 a month or every 6 weeks or whatever it is for the same level

Of access to a site as people that pay nothing? You see one page of top fabs. One page of local updates. No verifications on profiles. So you tell me??

It's pretty simple - if you don't want to pay a fiver for almost two months access to posting extra photos, vids etc...then don't No-one's forcing you!

It’s hard times for all of us. Many of us won’t be getting paid over the coming months. Those that are will be on reduced incomes. The site is limiting options so they should extend subscriptions for those that pay until this is over. "

Like fuck they should

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Under the circumstances, with people unsure about their income and if they’re going to get paid next week or the week after, I think site fees should be waived. It’s a swinger site after all and they’re, rightly, telling us we can’t arrange meets. So it’s all well and good saying we (fab) are supporting our NHS, but let’s support m_mbers too.

Interesting so how would you propose that they do that on a site that is free to use?. Cancel subscriptions to those that have subscribed already but still provide them with the service they usually pay for. Simples!

There is no subscriptions, its a free site

Not for subscribers it isn’t.

As I said you can use the site for free

And be limited on site use. No chat room, no video viewing, no forum posts...the list goes on.

Why let the facts get in the way of a good story hey. We can all make up list's doesn't necessary mean its correct .

I might be wrong about forum posts. But, you seem reasonably intelligent, so tell me why would people pay £5 a month or every 6 weeks or whatever it is for the same level

Of access to a site as people that pay nothing? You see one page of top fabs. One page of local updates. No verifications on profiles. So you tell me??

Why do people pay for curry sauce with their Fish and Chips, does not having it detract from their hunger ?

But Anyways the main thing is you don't have to pay for it if you don't want to. "

Have you been drinking?

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Jeez, another I want a freebie thread, that's 3 I've seen now, have you asked netflix, amazon and your isp to waiver their fees?

I'm going try and my road tax and car insurance waivered since I'm not using it.

Ummmm...have Netflix amazon and your isp told you you can’t use the service you signed up for because of the current crisis? I’m

Not disputing the fact we shouldn’t be meeting but it is a SWINGER site!! If you can’t swing on a swinger site and can only look at pics it’s basically become a porn site and most of those are FREE!

So to you swinging is meeting? Talking to people and making connections isn't? And technically fab havent stopped you meeting, the government have, fab are just doing their bit to help ensure people bide by the government's rules, try claiming your fee back from the government.

So fab are the police now are they? As I’ve said already I don’t dispute we shouldn’t be meeting. But to charge for a service that, is fundmentally what you’re about, yet not allowing that service no matter what the circumstances, Is wrong. It’s like me selling you a car but not giving you the keys. But still taking your money and saying, well you’ve still got the car!

No they're not but consider this then. When you pay your voluntary fee does that fee cover the meets section? As a free user of the site are you not allowed to meet? What exactly is it that you're paying for that they aren't providing you? You have paid your fee and you are still getting all the perks that being a site supporter entitles you to. Now if they removed any of the perks that you've paid for then I would agree with you but since they havent...

I'll just re quote this since you appear to have ignored it and not told me yet which of the perks that you have paid for but are not in receipt of have a nice day.

Still cant answer this question then?"

Read the thread replies. You’re asking the same questions as others.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Under the circumstances, with people unsure about their income and if they’re going to get paid next week or the week after, I think site fees should be waived. It’s a swinger site after all and they’re, rightly, telling us we can’t arrange meets. So it’s all well and good saying we (fab) are supporting our NHS, but let’s support m_mbers too.

Interesting so how would you propose that they do that on a site that is free to use?. Cancel subscriptions to those that have subscribed already but still provide them with the service they usually pay for. Simples!

There is no subscriptions, its a free site

Not for subscribers it isn’t.

As I said you can use the site for free

And be limited on site use. No chat room, no video viewing, no forum posts...the list goes on.

Why let the facts get in the way of a good story hey. We can all make up list's doesn't necessary mean its correct .

I might be wrong about forum posts. But, you seem reasonably intelligent, so tell me why would people pay £5 a month or every 6 weeks or whatever it is for the same level

Of access to a site as people that pay nothing? You see one page of top fabs. One page of local updates. No verifications on profiles. So you tell me??

Why do people pay for curry sauce with their Fish and Chips, does not having it detract from their hunger ?

But Anyways the main thing is you don't have to pay for it if you don't want to.

Have you been drinking? "

think you should ask yourself the same

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Because £5 a month is really gonna save you...

If it was £50 I would understand the complaint. But this is ridiculous.

"

Cost is irrelevant. Any other business that restricts your service compensates you. Be that British Gas, BT, your ISP, water supplier, you name it.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Jeez, another I want a freebie thread, that's 3 I've seen now, have you asked netflix, amazon and your isp to waiver their fees?

I'm going try and my road tax and car insurance waivered since I'm not using it.

Ummmm...have Netflix amazon and your isp told you you can’t use the service you signed up for because of the current crisis? I’m

Not disputing the fact we shouldn’t be meeting but it is a SWINGER site!! If you can’t swing on a swinger site and can only look at pics it’s basically become a porn site and most of those are FREE!

So to you swinging is meeting? Talking to people and making connections isn't? And technically fab havent stopped you meeting, the government have, fab are just doing their bit to help ensure people bide by the government's rules, try claiming your fee back from the government.

So fab are the police now are they? As I’ve said already I don’t dispute we shouldn’t be meeting. But to charge for a service that, is fundmentally what you’re about, yet not allowing that service no matter what the circumstances, Is wrong. It’s like me selling you a car but not giving you the keys. But still taking your money and saying, well you’ve still got the car!

No they're not but consider this then. When you pay your voluntary fee does that fee cover the meets section? As a free user of the site are you not allowed to meet? What exactly is it that you're paying for that they aren't providing you? You have paid your fee and you are still getting all the perks that being a site supporter entitles you to. Now if they removed any of the perks that you've paid for then I would agree with you but since they havent...

I'll just re quote this since you appear to have ignored it and not told me yet which of the perks that you have paid for but are not in receipt of have a nice day.

Still cant answer this question then?

Read the thread replies. You’re asking the same questions as others. "

And you're not answering any of them you say that the free users are getting the same level of access as paid users which is simply not true, the only change to the site is that they've shut down the meet me section, and said that arranging to meet during the pandemic is in breach of t&cs and government policy, so you're still getting exactly what you're paying for.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Because £5 a month is really gonna save you...

If it was £50 I would understand the complaint. But this is ridiculous.

But they havent restricted anything that you're paying for. Give your head a wobble

Cost is irrelevant. Any other business that restricts your service compensates you. Be that British Gas, BT, your ISP, water supplier, you name it. "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Because £5 a month is really gonna save you...

If it was £50 I would understand the complaint. But this is ridiculous.

Cost is irrelevant. Any other business that restricts your service compensates you. Be that British Gas, BT, your ISP, water supplier, you name it. "

They have offered to refund people who have paid.

The rest are accessing the site for free so why should fab give them anything? They haven't paid for any service so the restrictions aren't leaving them out of pocket.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Jeez, another I want a freebie thread, that's 3 I've seen now, have you asked netflix, amazon and your isp to waiver their fees?

I'm going try and my road tax and car insurance waivered since I'm not using it.

Ummmm...have Netflix amazon and your isp told you you can’t use the service you signed up for because of the current crisis? I’m

Not disputing the fact we shouldn’t be meeting but it is a SWINGER site!! If you can’t swing on a swinger site and can only look at pics it’s basically become a porn site and most of those are FREE!

So to you swinging is meeting? Talking to people and making connections isn't? And technically fab havent stopped you meeting, the government have, fab are just doing their bit to help ensure people bide by the government's rules, try claiming your fee back from the government.

So fab are the police now are they? As I’ve said already I don’t dispute we shouldn’t be meeting. But to charge for a service that, is fundmentally what you’re about, yet not allowing that service no matter what the circumstances, Is wrong. It’s like me selling you a car but not giving you the keys. But still taking your money and saying, well you’ve still got the car!

No they're not but consider this then. When you pay your voluntary fee does that fee cover the meets section? As a free user of the site are you not allowed to meet? What exactly is it that you're paying for that they aren't providing you? You have paid your fee and you are still getting all the perks that being a site supporter entitles you to. Now if they removed any of the perks that you've paid for then I would agree with you but since they havent...

I'll just re quote this since you appear to have ignored it and not told me yet which of the perks that you have paid for but are not in receipt of have a nice day.

Still cant answer this question then?

Read the thread replies. You’re asking the same questions as others.

And you're not answering any of them you say that the free users are getting the same level of access as paid users which is simply not true, the only change to the site is that they've shut down the meet me section, and said that arranging to meet during the pandemic is in breach of t&cs and government policy, so you're still getting exactly what you're paying for."

I never said that at all. Everyone else is saying it’s a free site and you don’t have to subscribe. I’m saying that to access all the benefits of the site you DO have to pay! And a swinger site is about meeting which none of us can do at present. This is why I started this discussion and think that subscribers should be given free subscriptions until meets are allowed again.

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By *arlomaleMan  over a year ago

darlington


"Jeez, another I want a freebie thread, that's 3 I've seen now, have you asked netflix, amazon and your isp to waiver their fees?

I'm going try and my road tax and car insurance waivered since I'm not using it.

Ummmm...have Netflix amazon and your isp told you you can’t use the service you signed up for because of the current crisis? I’m

Not disputing the fact we shouldn’t be meeting but it is a SWINGER site!! If you can’t swing on a swinger site and can only look at pics it’s basically become a porn site and most of those are FREE!

So to you swinging is meeting? Talking to people and making connections isn't? And technically fab havent stopped you meeting, the government have, fab are just doing their bit to help ensure people bide by the government's rules, try claiming your fee back from the government.

So fab are the police now are they? As I’ve said already I don’t dispute we shouldn’t be meeting. But to charge for a service that, is fundmentally what you’re about, yet not allowing that service no matter what the circumstances, Is wrong. It’s like me selling you a car but not giving you the keys. But still taking your money and saying, well you’ve still got the car!

No they're not but consider this then. When you pay your voluntary fee does that fee cover the meets section? As a free user of the site are you not allowed to meet? What exactly is it that you're paying for that they aren't providing you? You have paid your fee and you are still getting all the perks that being a site supporter entitles you to. Now if they removed any of the perks that you've paid for then I would agree with you but since they havent...

I'll just re quote this since you appear to have ignored it and not told me yet which of the perks that you have paid for but are not in receipt of have a nice day.

Still cant answer this question then?

Read the thread replies. You’re asking the same questions as others.

And you're not answering any of them you say that the free users are getting the same level of access as paid users which is simply not true, the only change to the site is that they've shut down the meet me section, and said that arranging to meet during the pandemic is in breach of t&cs and government policy, so you're still getting exactly what you're paying for.

I never said that at all. Everyone else is saying it’s a free site and you don’t have to subscribe. I’m saying that to access all the benefits of the site you DO have to pay! And a swinger site is about meeting which none of us can do at present. This is why I started this discussion and think that subscribers should be given free subscriptions until meets are allowed again. "

as most things in life to get the best you have to pay a little extra

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By *ympho6969Woman  over a year ago

glasgow

I find it utterly disgusting that everyone is expecting free stuff right now. Free m_mbership. Free money free this free that. I get that some people arent in a great position money wise, but there are plenty of countries out there struggling to find money to fight this off and FEED THEMSELVES through lockdowns, yet here people are moaning about £5 which is OPTIONAL????

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I find it utterly disgusting that everyone is expecting free stuff right now. Free m_mbership. Free money free this free that. I get that some people arent in a great position money wise, but there are plenty of countries out there struggling to find money to fight this off and FEED THEMSELVES through lockdowns, yet here people are moaning about £5 which is OPTIONAL???? "
. The only people getting stuff for free are the fab owners. Subscribers like us are paying for less than we signed up for. Read the thread before diving in next time.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

There is an option to delete account for those who are not happy with the site.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS  over a year ago

Central

If you'd prefer to do something to help the NHS staff, in the time you'd be using fab, that's a great option.

Thousands manage well here for the free service options, so you still have choice. Owners view all suggestions, so they may consider more changes.

Free fab standard is fantastic

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I find it utterly disgusting that everyone is expecting free stuff right now. Free m_mbership. Free money free this free that. I get that some people arent in a great position money wise, but there are plenty of countries out there struggling to find money to fight this off and FEED THEMSELVES through lockdowns, yet here people are moaning about £5 which is OPTIONAL???? "

unfortunatly this is the world we live in now, these things bring out the best in people, but also the worst in others, its all me me me me. i bet the op was one of the panic buying horders, im alright jack fuck everyone else, sickening

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman  over a year ago

little house on the praire


"I find it utterly disgusting that everyone is expecting free stuff right now. Free m_mbership. Free money free this free that. I get that some people arent in a great position money wise, but there are plenty of countries out there struggling to find money to fight this off and FEED THEMSELVES through lockdowns, yet here people are moaning about £5 which is OPTIONAL???? . The only people getting stuff for free are the fab owners. Subscribers like us are paying for less than we signed up for. Read the thread before diving in next time. "
like what

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I find it utterly disgusting that everyone is expecting free stuff right now. Free m_mbership. Free money free this free that. I get that some people arent in a great position money wise, but there are plenty of countries out there struggling to find money to fight this off and FEED THEMSELVES through lockdowns, yet here people are moaning about £5 which is OPTIONAL???? . The only people getting stuff for free are the fab owners. Subscribers like us are paying for less than we signed up for. Read the thread before diving in next time. "

what are fab getting for free?

you dont have to pay, and fab will refund anything you have paid if you ask them???

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I find it utterly disgusting that everyone is expecting free stuff right now. Free m_mbership. Free money free this free that. I get that some people arent in a great position money wise, but there are plenty of countries out there struggling to find money to fight this off and FEED THEMSELVES through lockdowns, yet here people are moaning about £5 which is OPTIONAL????

unfortunatly this is the world we live in now, these things bring out the best in people, but also the worst in others, its all me me me me. i bet the op was one of the panic buying horders, im alright jack fuck everyone else, sickening"

I’m single and live alone, through choice, and have shopped twice in three weeks. I have/had enough in my freezer to last me and bought a 4 pack of toilet rolls last time I shopped. You assume a lot and judge too much I think. It doesn’t reflect well on you as a person. Preaching one thing yet displaying a completely different character in the same sentence.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"If you'd prefer to do something to help the NHS staff, in the time you'd be using fab, that's a great option.

Thousands manage well here for the free service options, so you still have choice. Owners view all suggestions, so they may consider more changes.

Free fab standard is fantastic "

I’m unfortunately in an “at risk” group with a coronary artery stent. It doesn’t limit my activities really or my lifestyle. But I asked my cardiac rehab nurse about volunteering and was advised against it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"

You sir are a knob

You have the option to get your subscription back

Do us all a favour and do it

Then you can just shut up

I WONT be asking for my supporter pass to be refunded. And I WILL renew when it comes time to. These sites are not free to operate. If you want a site to exist when this is over then support them. I have had three rounds of motorbike racing cancelled and two trackdays, so over £1,000 but since I want to race and do trackdays with this company I would not dream of asking for the money back

Also nice status on your profile "

Very kind of you

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It is free....if you choose not to pay.

So if you're skint do the free option, until you aren't!"

Exactly. Nobody is forced to pay and all the features that site-supporters pay for are still available.

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By *arlomaleMan  over a year ago

darlington

I can see this getting shut down probably for the best tbh

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By *emini ManMan  over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

OP what exactly is it that you think Fab have taken away that is covered by the subscription fee?

Can you still upload extra pics? Yes

Can you still view videos? Yes

Can you still view beyond page 1 of Hot Pics? Yes

Can you still see who's looked at you? Yes

Can you still benefit from anything else that you get as a site supporter? Yes

Have you therefore been deprived of any service you have paid for? No

Given the above I'm therefore not sure why you think your subscription should be refunded/extended when you've not actually been disadvantaged in any way whatsoever.

You pay the subscription to get all of those extra features not to meet - therefore Fab clamping down on allowing meets to be advertised does not impact *any* of those extra features - it really is that simple.

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By *revaunanceCouple  over a year ago

Exeter


"Under the circumstances, with people unsure about their income and if they’re going to get paid next week or the week after, I think site fees should be waived. It’s a swinger site after all and they’re, rightly, telling us we can’t arrange meets. So it’s all well and good saying we (fab) are supporting our NHS, but let’s support m_mbers too. "

Help yourself to the site with no supporters features, they are optional after all.

You will still be able to access the site as a non supporter.

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By *revaunanceCouple  over a year ago

Exeter


"Fab clamping down on allowing meets to be advertised does not impact *any* of those extra features - it really is that simple."

more to the point, what sort of person wants to meet at the moment?

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman  over a year ago

On a mooch

It’s simple, if not happy get your refund and shut up shop

You don’t pay your gold subscription for the site to organise your meets, you pay it for the extras.

Paying your money doesn’t guarantee you a meet, so you’ve lost nothing by fab doing the right thing putting restrictions and rules in place. Which all of us should be following anyway without it having to be spelt out for us !

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By *otsolittlesecretWoman  over a year ago

prestatyn


"I find it utterly disgusting that everyone is expecting free stuff right now. Free m_mbership. Free money free this free that. I get that some people arent in a great position money wise, but there are plenty of countries out there struggling to find money to fight this off and FEED THEMSELVES through lockdowns, yet here people are moaning about £5 which is OPTIONAL???? . The only people getting stuff for free are the fab owners. Subscribers like us are paying for less than we signed up for. Read the thread before diving in next time. "

Less? Oh you mean not being able to meet anyone because of the global pandemic? Yeah I can see why your so upset that your money has been spent and you can't meet anyone. Obviously that's the site owners fault! I'm sure they will take full responsibility for you not being able to arrange a meet!

There is me thinking the owners was being responsible! Silly me eh!

There are options. Ask for a refund. Use the close account button. Or continue paying your money to support a site.

Your choice.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"But surely the site owners need an income "
I'm not getting one

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By *he riverdeep69Couple  over a year ago

North west ish


"Because £5 a month is really gonna save you...

If it was £50 I would understand the complaint. But this is ridiculous.

Cost is irrelevant. Any other business that restricts your service compensates you. Be that British Gas, BT, your ISP, water supplier, you name it. "

They have offered refunds. Apply for one and leave. Simple!!

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By *ugby 123Couple  over a year ago
Forum Mod

O o O oo

The site is free to use , if you want a few perks you could support the site for a fiver for two months, if not use the site for free. Most sites we joined wouldn't even let us mail for free. Nothing that anyone pays extra for has been limited .

I think a lot of things are going to change with this virus but I don't think anyone has to fund something just because I want it.

For the people keep asking for a freebie, it costs money to keep any site running , hopefully they can keep them all going so we can all have the sites that we love still here through the lock down.

Can I remind people that the rules can be found here, please stick to them when you post

https://www.fabswingers.com/content/forum-rules

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