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By *layfullsam OP Man over a year ago

Solihull

So what's your unpopular opinion on anything ?

Coffee is overrated

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I dont see the appeal behind the Beatles, or Elvis Presley. At all

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Corona virus really isn't worth worrying about

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By *layfullsam OP Man over a year ago

Solihull

Pasta is dreary and dull

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By *unsexual MemelordWoman over a year ago

Midlothian

Fruit and chocolate make a horrible combination.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Pasta is dreary and dull"

Ant and Dec are overrated childish twats

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By *erdyWoman over a year ago

wiltshire

I don't want to ditch plastic, and I want to keep diesel/ petrol cars.

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By *ust ClareTV/TS over a year ago

Settlewick!

Princess Diana really WASN'T the world's most beautiful woman

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That tuna is nice

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Avocado, I find it offensive and yuck.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Pasta is dreary and dull

Ant and Dec are overrated childish twats"
how is that unpopular?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My jokes ARE funny

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By *innie The MinxWoman over a year ago

Under the Duvet

You should never slice a banana with a knife

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I dont see the appeal behind the Beatles, or Elvis Presley. At all"

or Rolling Stones

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

England are the greatest rugby team ever

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Pasta is dreary and dull

Ant and Dec are overrated childish twatshow is that unpopular?

Because they get the t.v. awards every year..... wtf votes for them?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I dont see the appeal behind the Beatles, or Elvis Presley. At all

or Rolling Stones"
goats head soup........ angie

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Harry potter is shite

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Panic buying toilet roll

why

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Pasta is dreary and dull

Ant and Dec are overrated childish twatshow is that unpopular?

Because they get the t.v. awards every year..... wtf votes for them?"
i dont know but obviously somebody does

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Arsenal are by far the best team the world has ever seen

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By *offee and KinksCouple over a year ago

Notts/Derby

Mayonnaise is the devil's spawn and should not be applied to every f**king thing!

Stag

"Coffee is overrated "

Heresy !!!

Also, coleslaw is overrated.

Vixen

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The 69 position is just confusing and I prefer one thing at a time

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Princess Diana really WASN'T the world's most beautiful woman "

Agree

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Pulp fiction is one of the worst films ever.

Cal

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By *layfullsam OP Man over a year ago

Solihull

Pizza is overrated

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Toilet rolls so over rated when newspaper works just as well or in my experience cement bags!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I dont see the appeal behind the Beatles, or Elvis Presley. At all

or Rolling Stonesgoats head soup........ angie

Gimme Shelter

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I dont see the appeal behind the Beatles, or Elvis Presley. At all"

I'm with you on this

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By *agneto.Man over a year ago

Bham

"Pulp fiction is one of the worst films ever.

Cal"

Oooh

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By *agneto.Man over a year ago

Bham

"I dont see the appeal behind the Beatles, or Elvis Presley. At all

I'm with you on this "

Beatles agreed, have a soft spot for Elvis though.

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By *agneto.Man over a year ago

Bham

"Harry potter is shite"

Hear hear.

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By *SAchickWoman over a year ago

Hillside desolate

Justin Bieber is really good.

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By *agneto.Man over a year ago

Bham

Supermodels aren't attractive.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The 69 position is just confusing and I prefer one thing at a time

Agree, I like to concentrate on the bj if giving and the pleaure if receiveing, both together seem to be done half hearted

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

99% of punk rock was utter abysmal shite.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I dont see the appeal behind the Beatles, or Elvis Presley. At all"
Agree on Elvis 100%

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Justin Bieber is really good. "

Yeah you might want to keep that one to yourself

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Anything with lemon and lime in it = Ewwwwww and feet are yucky as well _

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Blow jobs are better than sex

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The FA should void the prem

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By *SAchickWoman over a year ago

Hillside desolate

"Justin Bieber is really good.

Yeah you might want to keep that one to yourself

I feel like I'm winning the thread now

I'll add Miley Cyrus too, love her.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I dont see the appeal behind the Beatles, or Elvis Presley. At all Agree on Elvis 100%"

He did have a good voice, but I'm not really a fan myself.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Swinging clubs aren’t the be all and end all of all adult fun.

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

Raw cheese is

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Harry potter is shite"

The books are average at best, the movies have some of the worst acting ive ever seen!

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By *etLikeMan over a year ago

most fundamental aspects

David Attenborough is overrated. It’s the researchers, camera operators, script writers and crew who should be applauded not him

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By *evil-AngelWoman over a year ago

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"The 69 position is just confusing and I prefer one thing at a time

I really agree with this!

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

"I dont see the appeal behind the Beatles, or Elvis Presley. At all"

Add Michael Jackson to that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That the carona virus was created by the usa to cause hysteria to blame the chinese for it as usa might have something to gain from it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Pineapple on pizza ! Yuck

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Think Oasis were well overrated.

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By *umpsMan over a year ago

city

"Pulp fiction is one of the worst films ever.

Cal"

Never seen it

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By *heislanderMan over a year ago

cheshunt

"I dont see the appeal behind the Beatles, or Elvis Presley. At all

or Rolling Stones"

I’d add Queen and David Bowie to the list.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"99% of punk rock was utter abysmal shite."

It was supposed to be , thats the point

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By *ickeymousesCouple over a year ago

Lich

I pay my taxes and other people don’t and drive around in top of the range 4x4’s... plus they live in social housing. Absolute joke.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Justin Bieber is really good. "
i love Bieber

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"99% of punk rock was utter abysmal shite.

It was supposed to be , thats the point "

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By *lex46TV/TS over a year ago

Near Wells

"99% of punk rock was utter abysmal shite."

I think that is very unpopular. It's the best music ever.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The McCann's didn't kill their daughter

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By *hedevilKTWoman over a year ago

milton keynes

"Harry potter is shite"

Sacralidge

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By *aastyKnixWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

A bidet is more hygienic than loo paper.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm a sex god

not an unpopular opinion

I'm just letting everyone know

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Slipknot is overrated

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By *lorious hole bs16Man over a year ago

Bristol

Bohemian Rhapsody is over the top nonsense..a mess as far as pop/rock song classics go.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Chinese Democracy is the Best

Guns N Roses album

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Northern soul, Disco and cabbage, all vomitworthy

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By *teveanddebsCouple over a year ago

Norwich

Jasper Carrot and Jim Carey are really, really not funny

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Games of Thrones was crap

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nirvana are the most overrated band.... EVER!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Rhyl is a great city

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Blow jobs are better than sex"

Said Bill Clinton!

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man over a year ago

BRIDPORT

Strictly come dancing is a waste of valuable air time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Rhyl is a great city "

haha almost spat my coffee out then

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By *antric ecstasyMan over a year ago

Co Durham

"The 69 position is just confusing and I prefer one thing at a time

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Justin Bieber is really good. "
he really is very talented.

Have you seen him drumming as a child?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Single men are Fab!

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By *orthantsblueeyesMan over a year ago

Northampton

"Single men are Fab!"

Yeah we are

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By *orthern StarsCouple over a year ago

Durham

Everyone should eat meat as part of a balanced diet.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not everyone, that has stockpiled, are "selfish bellends"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Boobs are overrated.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Benefits should partly be paid in food vouchers weekly for anyone who has children.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Star wars is a load of pony.

Made by geeks for gimps.

And don't get me started on Harry Potter... made by gimps for even bigger gimps.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hummus is overrated xD

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Bum sex/play/ action is dirty....that's the pooh exit....no amount of bleaching will change that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I dont see the appeal behind the Beatles, or Elvis Presley. At all"

Spot on

Likewise Bowie, Prince or Michael Jackson

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

bisexual women suck

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Think Oasis were well overrated."

I was talking about this the other day, so glad blur won the little battle to no 1 back in the day.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Boobs are overrated....."

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By *ltrMan over a year ago

sheffield

Pineapple on pizza worst idea ever

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As some what of a sci fi geek I can’t stand Dr Who or Blade Runner

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I dont see the appeal behind the Beatles, or Elvis Presley. At all

or Rolling Stonesgoats head soup........ angie

Gimme Shelter "

Why? Is it raining?

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By *imAndHerKentCouple over a year ago

Folkestone

We shouldn't have left the EU.

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By *lint-EverhardMan over a year ago

Perpignan and cap

I don't like cats or tattoos.

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By *uffnsmovCouple over a year ago

Leeds/Wakefield

"The FA should void the prem "

Everton fan?

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By *partharmonyCouple over a year ago

Ruislip

Television is generally a bit crap. Luke

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

domestic football is just a bunch of overpaid foreigners who float to the ground then get up after 10 minutes of acting to run around the pitch with absolutely nothing wrong with them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"domestic football is just a bunch of overpaid foreigners who float to the ground then get up after 10 minutes of acting to run around the pitch with absolutely nothing wrong with them

You’re far from alone on this one.

Ban football I say

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"domestic football is just a bunch of overpaid foreigners who float to the ground then get up after 10 minutes of acting to run around the pitch with absolutely nothing wrong with them

You’re far from alone on this one.

Ban football I say

"
domestic yes go back to using home grown players

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There are other places like home!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"bisexual women suck

Waiiiit a minute..... what? Why?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Horse meat tastes great.

Mr F.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Self isolating is fun

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By *herryblossom_BJWoman over a year ago

Oxfordshire/Hampshire

Small cocks can please me... No they can't

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Small cocks can please me... No they can't "
struggling to convince yourself?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"bisexual women suck

Waiiiit a minute..... what? Why?"
told you it was unpopular

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Not everyone, that has stockpiled, are "selfish bellends""

.add thick aswell.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Paedophiles can’t help it anymore than transvetites

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"bisexual women suck

Waiiiit a minute..... what? Why?"

He forgot to mention that they lick too!

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By *herryblossom_BJWoman over a year ago

Oxfordshire/Hampshire

"Small cocks can please me... No they can't struggling to convince yourself?

Trust me they don't please me as much as big cocks

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By *herryblossom_BJWoman over a year ago

Oxfordshire/Hampshire

"Not everyone, that has stockpiled, are "selfish bellends"

.add thick aswell."

I'm using paper towels and wet wipes because of selfish people.

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By *herryblossom_BJWoman over a year ago

Oxfordshire/Hampshire

"Self isolating is fun"

Your cock hasn't fallen off from the marathon wanking you been doing?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Football is a gay mans sport"

Using gay as an insult is offensive

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not everyone, that has stockpiled, are "selfish bellends"

.add thick aswell.

I'm using paper towels and wet wipes because of selfish people. "

People look strangely at me when I wear rubber gloves in Sainsbury’s!

(They don’t know it’s my kink!!!)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Monty Python sketches were 1% genius, and 99% garbage.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Pasta is dreary and dull

Ant and Dec are overrated childish twats"

Thought I was the only one.

Add painfully unfunny

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Remainers !!!

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By *.nottsbloke..Man over a year ago

the vale

"Boobs are overrated....."

I want you to sit in the corner and think about what you said

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"I dont see the appeal behind the Beatles, or Elvis Presley. At all

or Rolling Stones"

1977: The Clash

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By *aitonelMan over a year ago

Liverpool

Friends is greatly overrated (not terrible, but certainly not worthy of the pedestal people put it on)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The British Empire was a positive influence on the world

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Boobs are overrated.....

I want you to sit in the corner and think about what you said"

Lols well its ment to be unpopular

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman over a year ago

little house on the praire

I dont like jaccuzis

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

If someone doesn't reply it's rude.

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By *rMrsRichCouple over a year ago

Bournemouh

Games of thrones is crap

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Breaking bad is massively overrated

Mrs brown boys..just why?

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"The British Empire was a positive influence on the world

There are at least some positive things about it. Everything historical needs to be evaluated in context. Would the world be a better place today if we'd never had it? Discuss:

I'm certainly in agreement that Empire bashing is easy and may impress some by sounding PC.

How about the Reformation was a positive influence on the world?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Self isolating is fun

Your cock hasn't fallen off from the marathon wanking you been doing?

Not yet, saving some for you if you want

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Games of thrones is crap "

But thats true!

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By *rHotNottsMan over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Teachers are no more hardworking than anyone else, just more whiny.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Porn is overrated, would rather rub one out using my imagination

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

All moral statements are essentially saying "this is the way I think life should be lived and everyone should agree with me"

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"The British Empire was a positive influence on the world

There are at least some positive things about it. Everything historical needs to be evaluated in context. Would the world be a better place today if we'd never had it? Discuss:

I'm certainly in agreement that Empire bashing is easy and may impress some by sounding PC.

How about the Reformation was a positive influence on the world? "

I'd say if you lived in certain parts of the world at that time you wouldnt be too enamoured with us.

Still everyone has their own opinion.

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By *hubaysiWoman over a year ago

Leeds

London is boring

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I didn’t think much of Amy Winehouse

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not everyone, that has stockpiled, are "selfish bellends"

.add thick aswell."

Actually you're right! I'm thick as shit.I should really just tell my immune surpressed mum to carry on doing my shopping for me,or the woman down my road with her own family to think of.Better yet I could just walk the hour to my nearest supermarket because I don't drive,what's the worst that can happen? Apart of crippling pain and lose even more function with my legs,but i'm sure I could tie some bags to my back brace to help lighten the load.I'll be ok in 4 and half weeks when I get my final surgery, oh wait I probably won't be having that now.I know what I could do order online? I don't mind waiting 3 weeks for a delivery that probably won't have half the stuff I need.I'm probably smarter to just tell my kids to go without because people think i'm a moron for buying a few extra supplies in case this thing gets worse

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By *ooskiMan over a year ago

south coast

0hr contacts are the mutts nutts

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By *ormerWelshcouple2020Man over a year ago

Stourbridge

Opportunity for a rant;

Coffee is vile

Cheese is vomit inducing, even the smell

I don’t like cake.

I dont like biscuits

I don’t like lager

Flavoured “gin” isn’t gin it’s an alcopop like hooch

Veganism is a fad.

X factor and associated shows are utter shite.

Reality TV is shite

Clinically obese women shouldn’t wear leggings

Men can’t have periods

Men can’t have babies.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Not everyone, that has stockpiled, are "selfish bellends"

.add thick aswell.

Yeah then soneone else sees you stocking up and does the same.Times a million.

Then some poor old woman who goes the shop once a fortnight is unable to buy any essentials.

Its simple really.If no one panicked bought there would be plenty to go round.But if one person starts it's a vicious circle.

I emphasise with your situation but lots of people are worried.Ive got elderly parents and I'm worried sick.

But the current situation is making things even worse.

Who the fuck needs 100 toilet rolls anyway?

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By *tephTV67TV/TS over a year ago

Cheshire

The internet is a terrible thing and it has made society a lot worse off, it would’ve been better for society as a whole if it had never been created

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

I've been eating toilet roll for a week now. It's tasteless despite adding pasta sauce. I really can't see what the fuss is all about.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've been eating toilet roll for a week now. It's tasteless despite adding pasta sauce. I really can't see what the fuss is all about. "

And wiping your a*se with lasagne, how’s that going???

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

"I've been eating toilet roll for a week now. It's tasteless despite adding pasta sauce. I really can't see what the fuss is all about.

And wiping your a*se with lasagne, how’s that going???"

It works a treat. I'd never use anything else now

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By *erdyWoman over a year ago

wiltshire

"The internet is a terrible thing and it has made society a lot worse off, it would’ve been better for society as a whole if it had never been created

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By *erdyWoman over a year ago

wiltshire

"London is boring "

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By *isaAndNicoleTransTV/TS over a year ago

Southport / Ellesmere Port

"The internet is a terrible thing and it has made society a lot worse off, it would’ve been better for society as a whole if it had never been created

I disagree. We wouldn't have fabswingers now. In the old days it was much harder to be let down by timewasters.

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By *hubaysiWoman over a year ago

Leeds

Fab has less than average members

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I need pea's a simple tin of peas and my normal shop sold out. Peas I understand that panic buying is nuts. But I only wanted to buy a tin of peas.

I have beans carrots and other tins of vegetables.

I just wanted a tin off peas to have with my homemade cottage pie .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The British Empire was a positive influence on the world

There are at least some positive things about it. Everything historical needs to be evaluated in context. Would the world be a better place today if we'd never had it? Discuss:

I'm certainly in agreement that Empire bashing is easy and may impress some by sounding PC.

How about the Reformation was a positive influence on the world?

I'd say if you lived in certain parts of the world at that time you wouldnt be too enamoured with us.

Still everyone has their own opinion."

Course they’re entitled to their opinions. As I’m entitled to mine. I’m British, and whilst I empathise with cultures that feel like they’re ‘victims’ of the empire, I refuse to feel ashamed or apologise for it. It was nearly 200 years ago

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By *nglander2000Man over a year ago

NORTHAMPTON NEAR M1 JCN 15A

"Harry potter is shite"

I'm with you on that !!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Fab has less than average members "

I feel attacked

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By *hubaysiWoman over a year ago

Leeds

"Fab has less than average members

I feel attacked

Not at all. I never said men!

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By *nglander2000Man over a year ago

NORTHAMPTON NEAR M1 JCN 15A

"Games of thrones is crap "

So true.....

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By *nglander2000Man over a year ago

NORTHAMPTON NEAR M1 JCN 15A

"Fab has less than average members

I feel attacked

Not at all. I never said men! "

Just remember 50% of population is below average by definition......

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By *izzy69Man over a year ago

London

I don't get the fixation on aggressive supporting of a particular team in any sport.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"The British Empire was a positive influence on the world

There are at least some positive things about it. Everything historical needs to be evaluated in context. Would the world be a better place today if we'd never had it? Discuss:

I'm certainly in agreement that Empire bashing is easy and may impress some by sounding PC.

How about the Reformation was a positive influence on the world?

I'd say if you lived in certain parts of the world at that time you wouldnt be too enamoured with us.

Still everyone has their own opinion.

The holocaust was 80 years ago..not sure time has much to do with it.

I dont feel ashamed about it being english..it was fuck all to do with me.

I do think there were some horrific things which happened during that time however which imho gives us no moral superiority, which this country seem to revel in.

There may have been some positives but personally I wouldnt be proud of the legacy that we left.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The British Empire was a positive influence on the world

There are at least some positive things about it. Everything historical needs to be evaluated in context. Would the world be a better place today if we'd never had it? Discuss:

I'm certainly in agreement that Empire bashing is easy and may impress some by sounding PC.

How about the Reformation was a positive influence on the world?

I'd say if you lived in certain parts of the world at that time you wouldnt be too enamoured with us.

Still everyone has their own opinion.

The holocaust was 80 years ago..not sure time has much to do with it.

I dont feel ashamed about it being english..it was fuck all to do with me.

I do think there were some horrific things which happened during that time however which imho gives us no moral superiority, which this country seem to revel in.

There may have been some positives but personally I wouldnt be proud of the legacy that we left."

‘Some positives’ is a bit of an understatement.

The attempted whole sale extermination of an entire ethnic group (plus the other victims) is a little different to 18th century imperialism.

We’ll agree to disagree but personally, human rights, civil liberty, freedom of expression, speech, common law, parliamentary democracy, individual agency, personal sovereignty and the emancipation are all overwhelming positives from the British empire. Especially when you compare it to other empires of the time (because everyone was doing it back then - a fact a lot of people seem to forget and just assume it was only Britain), we were just exceptionally good at it. I’m not going to feel bad about that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't get the fixation on aggressive supporting of a particular team in any sport."

I know, when people say 'We won on Saturday' I'm like, 'oh well done, which position did you play?'

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"The British Empire was a positive influence on the world

There are at least some positive things about it. Everything historical needs to be evaluated in context. Would the world be a better place today if we'd never had it? Discuss:

I'm certainly in agreement that Empire bashing is easy and may impress some by sounding PC.

How about the Reformation was a positive influence on the world?

I'd say if you lived in certain parts of the world at that time you wouldnt be too enamoured with us.

Still everyone has their own opinion.

The holocaust was 80 years ago..not sure time has much to do with it.

I dont feel ashamed about it being english..it was fuck all to do with me.

I do think there were some horrific things which happened during that time however which imho gives us no moral superiority, which this country seem to revel in.

There may have been some positives but personally I wouldnt be proud of the legacy that we left.

‘Some positives’ is a bit of an understatement.

The attempted whole sale extermination of an entire ethnic group (plus the other victims) is a little different to 18th century imperialism.

We’ll agree to disagree but personal rights, civil liberty, freedom of expression, speech, common law, parliamentary democracy, individual agency, personal sovereignty and the emancipation are all overwhelming positives from the British empire. Especially when you compare it to other empires of the time (because everyone was doing it back then - a fact a lot of people seem to forget and just assume it was only Britain), we were just exceptionally good at it. I’m not going to feel bad about that. "

You do realise that civil rights and parliamentary democracy and so on did not apply to the subject peoples of the British empire?

George Orwell wrote an essay in 1938 called "not counting niggers" (the title was ironic of course), where he pointed out that the UK proudly called itself a democracy whilst ruling over an empire with a population far higher than that of the UK, not one of whose residents had a vote in electing the people who had ultimate authority over them.

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By *izzy69Man over a year ago

London

"I don't get the fixation on aggressive supporting of a particular team in any sport.

I know, when people say 'We won on Saturday' I'm like, 'oh well done, which position did you play?'"

Exactly!

When the team wins they get all excited as if they had something to do with it.

Worse still, when people are "depressed" because their team lost! Mate, the players in that team will still continue to make 20k per week while the rest of us 'supporters' just about manage a fraction of that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Woman should of nerve been given the vote.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"The British Empire was a positive influence on the world

There are at least some positive things about it. Everything historical needs to be evaluated in context. Would the world be a better place today if we'd never had it? Discuss:

I'm certainly in agreement that Empire bashing is easy and may impress some by sounding PC.

How about the Reformation was a positive influence on the world?

I'd say if you lived in certain parts of the world at that time you wouldnt be too enamoured with us.

Still everyone has their own opinion.

The holocaust was 80 years ago..not sure time has much to do with it.

I dont feel ashamed about it being english..it was fuck all to do with me.

I do think there were some horrific things which happened during that time however which imho gives us no moral superiority, which this country seem to revel in.

There may have been some positives but personally I wouldnt be proud of the legacy that we left.

‘Some positives’ is a bit of an understatement.

The attempted whole sale extermination of an entire ethnic group (plus the other victims) is a little different to 18th century imperialism.

The argument has been made that Hitler got some of his ideas from our 'adventurous' (concentration camps for example)

Yes we werent the only ones but we had the biggest empire in the world.Yet ironically went to war with Germany in 1914 for their colonial aspirations.

As for the benefits..were these not side effects?The empire was there to make rich people richer..im not sure we enslaved half of Africa so they would be able to count.

It's not about feeling bad or responsible..like I said earlier I certainly dont feel guilty.However I do feel we have a very selective and often hypocritical memory in this country.

This country has done some amazing things(the NHS) but it also responsible for some absolutely horrific events.

Incidentally as for civil rights we only gave women the vote in 1919(I think)so we were hardly world pioneers in that field.

Bit of a tangent there like.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"The British Empire was a positive influence on the world

There are at least some positive things about it. Everything historical needs to be evaluated in context. Would the world be a better place today if we'd never had it? Discuss:

I'm certainly in agreement that Empire bashing is easy and may impress some by sounding PC.

How about the Reformation was a positive influence on the world?

I'd say if you lived in certain parts of the world at that time you wouldnt be too enamoured with us.

Still everyone has their own opinion.

The holocaust was 80 years ago..not sure time has much to do with it.

I dont feel ashamed about it being english..it was fuck all to do with me.

I do think there were some horrific things which happened during that time however which imho gives us no moral superiority, which this country seem to revel in.

There may have been some positives but personally I wouldnt be proud of the legacy that we left.

‘Some positives’ is a bit of an understatement.

The attempted whole sale extermination of an entire ethnic group (plus the other victims) is a little different to 18th century imperialism.

The argument has been made that Hitler got some of his ideas from our 'adventurous' (concentration camps for example)

Yes we werent the only ones but we had the biggest empire in the world.Yet ironically went to war with Germany in 1914 for their colonial aspirations.

As for the benefits..were these not side effects?The empire was there to make rich people richer..im not sure we enslaved half of Africa so they would be able to count.

It's not about feeling bad or responsible..like I said earlier I certainly dont feel guilty.However I do feel we have a very selective and often hypocritical memory in this country.

This country has done some amazing things(the NHS) but it also responsible for some absolutely horrific events.

Incidentally as for civil rights we only gave women the vote in 1919(I think)so we were hardly world pioneers in that field.

Bit of a tangent there like."

As stated above, literally no one in the British empire outside the UK got to vote for the British government whilst they were part of the empire.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"The British Empire was a positive influence on the world

There are at least some positive things about it. Everything historical needs to be evaluated in context. Would the world be a better place today if we'd never had it? Discuss:

I'm certainly in agreement that Empire bashing is easy and may impress some by sounding PC.

How about the Reformation was a positive influence on the world?

I'd say if you lived in certain parts of the world at that time you wouldnt be too enamoured with us.

Still everyone has their own opinion.

The holocaust was 80 years ago..not sure time has much to do with it.

I dont feel ashamed about it being english..it was fuck all to do with me.

I do think there were some horrific things which happened during that time however which imho gives us no moral superiority, which this country seem to revel in.

There may have been some positives but personally I wouldnt be proud of the legacy that we left.

‘Some positives’ is a bit of an understatement.

The attempted whole sale extermination of an entire ethnic group (plus the other victims) is a little different to 18th century imperialism.

The argument has been made that Hitler got some of his ideas from our 'adventurous' (concentration camps for example)

Yes we werent the only ones but we had the biggest empire in the world.Yet ironically went to war with Germany in 1914 for their colonial aspirations.

As for the benefits..were these not side effects?The empire was there to make rich people richer..im not sure we enslaved half of Africa so they would be able to count.

It's not about feeling bad or responsible..like I said earlier I certainly dont feel guilty.However I do feel we have a very selective and often hypocritical memory in this country.

This country has done some amazing things(the NHS) but it also responsible for some absolutely horrific events.

Incidentally as for civil rights we only gave women the vote in 1919(I think)so we were hardly world pioneers in that field.

Bit of a tangent there like.

As stated above, literally no one in the British empire outside the UK got to vote for the British government whilst they were part of the empire. "

Good point.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The British Empire was a positive influence on the world

There are at least some positive things about it. Everything historical needs to be evaluated in context. Would the world be a better place today if we'd never had it? Discuss:

I'm certainly in agreement that Empire bashing is easy and may impress some by sounding PC.

How about the Reformation was a positive influence on the world?

I'd say if you lived in certain parts of the world at that time you wouldnt be too enamoured with us.

Still everyone has their own opinion.

The holocaust was 80 years ago..not sure time has much to do with it.

I dont feel ashamed about it being english..it was fuck all to do with me.

I do think there were some horrific things which happened during that time however which imho gives us no moral superiority, which this country seem to revel in.

There may have been some positives but personally I wouldnt be proud of the legacy that we left.

‘Some positives’ is a bit of an understatement.

The attempted whole sale extermination of an entire ethnic group (plus the other victims) is a little different to 18th century imperialism.

The argument has been made that Hitler got some of his ideas from our 'adventurous' (concentration camps for example)

Yes we werent the only ones but we had the biggest empire in the world.Yet ironically went to war with Germany in 1914 for their colonial aspirations.

As for the benefits..were these not side effects?The empire was there to make rich people richer..im not sure we enslaved half of Africa so they would be able to count.

It's not about feeling bad or responsible..like I said earlier I certainly dont feel guilty.However I do feel we have a very selective and often hypocritical memory in this country.

This country has done some amazing things(the NHS) but it also responsible for some absolutely horrific events.

Incidentally as for civil rights we only gave women the vote in 1919(I think)so we were hardly world pioneers in that field.

Bit of a tangent there like.

As stated above, literally no one in the British empire outside the UK got to vote for the British government whilst they were part of the empire. "

I didn’t say subjects of the empire had the vote. I’m talking about all the institutions and developments from the empire that have lead to where we are now post industrial revolution. I’m not denying the empire did bad things, all empires do, I’m pointing out that I’m proud of what the empire achieved and what it ultimately lead to. We’ve lead the way in the western world. We ended the slave trade for gods sake. Then enforced the end of trade across the Atlantic, even tho it was financially detrimental to the empire itself. The abolitionists were founded out of moral principles and changed the face of the world through the empire. To say Britain didn’t do much in the way of civil rights is an outright falsehood.

But again, agree to disagree. My moral compass is pretty flexible and I’m a realist, and fundamentally self centred. The empire was positive for me. Judging by the reaction to my comment, it’s most definitely an unpopular opinion to hold.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"The British Empire was a positive influence on the world

There are at least some positive things about it. Everything historical needs to be evaluated in context. Would the world be a better place today if we'd never had it? Discuss:

I'm certainly in agreement that Empire bashing is easy and may impress some by sounding PC.

How about the Reformation was a positive influence on the world?

I'd say if you lived in certain parts of the world at that time you wouldnt be too enamoured with us.

Still everyone has their own opinion.

The holocaust was 80 years ago..not sure time has much to do with it.

I dont feel ashamed about it being english..it was fuck all to do with me.

I do think there were some horrific things which happened during that time however which imho gives us no moral superiority, which this country seem to revel in.

There may have been some positives but personally I wouldnt be proud of the legacy that we left.

‘Some positives’ is a bit of an understatement.

The attempted whole sale extermination of an entire ethnic group (plus the other victims) is a little different to 18th century imperialism.

The argument has been made that Hitler got some of his ideas from our 'adventurous' (concentration camps for example)

Yes we werent the only ones but we had the biggest empire in the world.Yet ironically went to war with Germany in 1914 for their colonial aspirations.

As for the benefits..were these not side effects?The empire was there to make rich people richer..im not sure we enslaved half of Africa so they would be able to count.

It's not about feeling bad or responsible..like I said earlier I certainly dont feel guilty.However I do feel we have a very selective and often hypocritical memory in this country.

This country has done some amazing things(the NHS) but it also responsible for some absolutely horrific events.

Incidentally as for civil rights we only gave women the vote in 1919(I think)so we were hardly world pioneers in that field.

Bit of a tangent there like.

As stated above, literally no one in the British empire outside the UK got to vote for the British government whilst they were part of the empire.

Good point."

In 1913 there were about 450 million people in the empire, 45 million of whom were in the UK. Of that 45 million people, two thirds of men and women had the vote.

So excluding minors about ten million men got to vote for the government of 450 million people.

Democracy my arse.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The British Empire was a positive influence on the world

There are at least some positive things about it. Everything historical needs to be evaluated in context. Would the world be a better place today if we'd never had it? Discuss:

I'm certainly in agreement that Empire bashing is easy and may impress some by sounding PC.

How about the Reformation was a positive influence on the world?

I'd say if you lived in certain parts of the world at that time you wouldnt be too enamoured with us.

Still everyone has their own opinion.

The holocaust was 80 years ago..not sure time has much to do with it.

I dont feel ashamed about it being english..it was fuck all to do with me.

I do think there were some horrific things which happened during that time however which imho gives us no moral superiority, which this country seem to revel in.

There may have been some positives but personally I wouldnt be proud of the legacy that we left.

‘Some positives’ is a bit of an understatement.

The attempted whole sale extermination of an entire ethnic group (plus the other victims) is a little different to 18th century imperialism.

The argument has been made that Hitler got some of his ideas from our 'adventurous' (concentration camps for example)

Yes we werent the only ones but we had the biggest empire in the world.Yet ironically went to war with Germany in 1914 for their colonial aspirations.

As for the benefits..were these not side effects?The empire was there to make rich people richer..im not sure we enslaved half of Africa so they would be able to count.

It's not about feeling bad or responsible..like I said earlier I certainly dont feel guilty.However I do feel we have a very selective and often hypocritical memory in this country.

This country has done some amazing things(the NHS) but it also responsible for some absolutely horrific events.

Incidentally as for civil rights we only gave women the vote in 1919(I think)so we were hardly world pioneers in that field.

Bit of a tangent there like.

As stated above, literally no one in the British empire outside the UK got to vote for the British government whilst they were part of the empire.

Good point.

In 1913 there were about 450 million people in the empire, 45 million of whom were in the UK. Of that 45 million people, two thirds of men and women had the vote.

So excluding minors about ten million men got to vote for the government of 450 million people.

Democracy my arse. "

Sucks to be a conquered people then doesn’t it

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"The British Empire was a positive influence on the world

There are at least some positive things about it. Everything historical needs to be evaluated in context. Would the world be a better place today if we'd never had it? Discuss:

I'm certainly in agreement that Empire bashing is easy and may impress some by sounding PC.

How about the Reformation was a positive influence on the world?

I'd say if you lived in certain parts of the world at that time you wouldnt be too enamoured with us.

Still everyone has their own opinion.

The holocaust was 80 years ago..not sure time has much to do with it.

I dont feel ashamed about it being english..it was fuck all to do with me.

I do think there were some horrific things which happened during that time however which imho gives us no moral superiority, which this country seem to revel in.

There may have been some positives but personally I wouldnt be proud of the legacy that we left.

‘Some positives’ is a bit of an understatement.

The attempted whole sale extermination of an entire ethnic group (plus the other victims) is a little different to 18th century imperialism.

The argument has been made that Hitler got some of his ideas from our 'adventurous' (concentration camps for example)

Yes we werent the only ones but we had the biggest empire in the world.Yet ironically went to war with Germany in 1914 for their colonial aspirations.

As for the benefits..were these not side effects?The empire was there to make rich people richer..im not sure we enslaved half of Africa so they would be able to count.

It's not about feeling bad or responsible..like I said earlier I certainly dont feel guilty.However I do feel we have a very selective and often hypocritical memory in this country.

This country has done some amazing things(the NHS) but it also responsible for some absolutely horrific events.

Incidentally as for civil rights we only gave women the vote in 1919(I think)so we were hardly world pioneers in that field.

Bit of a tangent there like.

As stated above, literally no one in the British empire outside the UK got to vote for the British government whilst they were part of the empire.

The British instituted the transatlantic slave trade on an industrial scale in the early eighteenth century (it was a term of the Treaty Of Utrecht in 1713 that the British were given a monopoly of selling slaves to the huge Spanish empire in the americas). They made huge profits out of said trade which went to the funding of the early industrial revolution.

By the late eighteenth century, the British economy had radically moved away from the slave trade into industrial manufacturing and lo and behold the British then started thinking the slave trade was morally wrong, just at a time when other Western countries were building up capital via the said trade.

All empires were devices for rich countries extracting surpluses from poor countries. All were founded on racism and exploitation The British were no better or worse than any other country.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"The British Empire was a positive influence on the world

There are at least some positive things about it. Everything historical needs to be evaluated in context. Would the world be a better place today if we'd never had it? Discuss:

I'm certainly in agreement that Empire bashing is easy and may impress some by sounding PC.

How about the Reformation was a positive influence on the world?

I'd say if you lived in certain parts of the world at that time you wouldnt be too enamoured with us.

Still everyone has their own opinion.

The holocaust was 80 years ago..not sure time has much to do with it.

I dont feel ashamed about it being english..it was fuck all to do with me.

I do think there were some horrific things which happened during that time however which imho gives us no moral superiority, which this country seem to revel in.

There may have been some positives but personally I wouldnt be proud of the legacy that we left.

‘Some positives’ is a bit of an understatement.

The attempted whole sale extermination of an entire ethnic group (plus the other victims) is a little different to 18th century imperialism.

The argument has been made that Hitler got some of his ideas from our 'adventurous' (concentration camps for example)

Yes we werent the only ones but we had the biggest empire in the world.Yet ironically went to war with Germany in 1914 for their colonial aspirations.

As for the benefits..were these not side effects?The empire was there to make rich people richer..im not sure we enslaved half of Africa so they would be able to count.

It's not about feeling bad or responsible..like I said earlier I certainly dont feel guilty.However I do feel we have a very selective and often hypocritical memory in this country.

This country has done some amazing things(the NHS) but it also responsible for some absolutely horrific events.

Incidentally as for civil rights we only gave women the vote in 1919(I think)so we were hardly world pioneers in that field.

Bit of a tangent there like.

As stated above, literally no one in the British empire outside the UK got to vote for the British government whilst they were part of the empire.

I'd say controversial but everyone is entitled to their opinion and its nice to be able to discuss in an adult manner.

I've never been particularly patriotic and I think the new breed of nationalism is particularly nefarious.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The British Empire was a positive influence on the world

There are at least some positive things about it. Everything historical needs to be evaluated in context. Would the world be a better place today if we'd never had it? Discuss:

I'm certainly in agreement that Empire bashing is easy and may impress some by sounding PC.

How about the Reformation was a positive influence on the world?

I'd say if you lived in certain parts of the world at that time you wouldnt be too enamoured with us.

Still everyone has their own opinion.

The holocaust was 80 years ago..not sure time has much to do with it.

I dont feel ashamed about it being english..it was fuck all to do with me.

I do think there were some horrific things which happened during that time however which imho gives us no moral superiority, which this country seem to revel in.

There may have been some positives but personally I wouldnt be proud of the legacy that we left.

‘Some positives’ is a bit of an understatement.

The attempted whole sale extermination of an entire ethnic group (plus the other victims) is a little different to 18th century imperialism.

The argument has been made that Hitler got some of his ideas from our 'adventurous' (concentration camps for example)

Yes we werent the only ones but we had the biggest empire in the world.Yet ironically went to war with Germany in 1914 for their colonial aspirations.

As for the benefits..were these not side effects?The empire was there to make rich people richer..im not sure we enslaved half of Africa so they would be able to count.

It's not about feeling bad or responsible..like I said earlier I certainly dont feel guilty.However I do feel we have a very selective and often hypocritical memory in this country.

This country has done some amazing things(the NHS) but it also responsible for some absolutely horrific events.

Incidentally as for civil rights we only gave women the vote in 1919(I think)so we were hardly world pioneers in that field.

Bit of a tangent there like.

As stated above, literally no one in the British empire outside the UK got to vote for the British government whilst they were part of the empire.

All empires were devices for rich countries extracting surpluses from poor countries. All were founded on racism and exploitation The British were no better or worse than any other country. "

I know all this. My partner is from Liverpool and is a history nerd. I’m not interested in how it started, I’m interested in how it ended and why. Hence my post before my piss take one.

This thread isn’t about having an argument. I’m not the remotest bit interested in debating it. I’ve got my opinion and you’ve got yours. Mines the unpopular one. Point made really

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Katie Hopkins is nice. She's just misunderstood.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"The British Empire was a positive influence on the world

There are at least some positive things about it. Everything historical needs to be evaluated in context. Would the world be a better place today if we'd never had it? Discuss:

I'm certainly in agreement that Empire bashing is easy and may impress some by sounding PC.

How about the Reformation was a positive influence on the world?

I'd say if you lived in certain parts of the world at that time you wouldnt be too enamoured with us.

Still everyone has their own opinion.

The holocaust was 80 years ago..not sure time has much to do with it.

I dont feel ashamed about it being english..it was fuck all to do with me.

I do think there were some horrific things which happened during that time however which imho gives us no moral superiority, which this country seem to revel in.

There may have been some positives but personally I wouldnt be proud of the legacy that we left.

‘Some positives’ is a bit of an understatement.

The attempted whole sale extermination of an entire ethnic group (plus the other victims) is a little different to 18th century imperialism.

The argument has been made that Hitler got some of his ideas from our 'adventurous' (concentration camps for example)

Yes we werent the only ones but we had the biggest empire in the world.Yet ironically went to war with Germany in 1914 for their colonial aspirations.

As for the benefits..were these not side effects?The empire was there to make rich people richer..im not sure we enslaved half of Africa so they would be able to count.

It's not about feeling bad or responsible..like I said earlier I certainly dont feel guilty.However I do feel we have a very selective and often hypocritical memory in this country.

This country has done some amazing things(the NHS) but it also responsible for some absolutely horrific events.

Incidentally as for civil rights we only gave women the vote in 1919(I think)so we were hardly world pioneers in that field.

Bit of a tangent there like.

As stated above, literally no one in the British empire outside the UK got to vote for the British government whilst they were part of the empire.

All empires were devices for rich countries extracting surpluses from poor countries. All were founded on racism and exploitation The British were no better or worse than any other country. "

Yet I honestly think that whole 'we used to rule the world'mindset is still prevalent today as evidenced by much of the right wing media and probably responsible for that whole Brexit clutsterfuck.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Katie Hopkins is nice. She's just misunderstood.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"The British Empire was a positive influence on the world

There are at least some positive things about it. Everything historical needs to be evaluated in context. Would the world be a better place today if we'd never had it? Discuss:

I'm certainly in agreement that Empire bashing is easy and may impress some by sounding PC.

How about the Reformation was a positive influence on the world?

I'd say if you lived in certain parts of the world at that time you wouldnt be too enamoured with us.

Still everyone has their own opinion.

The holocaust was 80 years ago..not sure time has much to do with it.

I dont feel ashamed about it being english..it was fuck all to do with me.

I do think there were some horrific things which happened during that time however which imho gives us no moral superiority, which this country seem to revel in.

There may have been some positives but personally I wouldnt be proud of the legacy that we left.

‘Some positives’ is a bit of an understatement.

The attempted whole sale extermination of an entire ethnic group (plus the other victims) is a little different to 18th century imperialism.

The argument has been made that Hitler got some of his ideas from our 'adventurous' (concentration camps for example)

Yes we werent the only ones but we had the biggest empire in the world.Yet ironically went to war with Germany in 1914 for their colonial aspirations.

As for the benefits..were these not side effects?The empire was there to make rich people richer..im not sure we enslaved half of Africa so they would be able to count.

It's not about feeling bad or responsible..like I said earlier I certainly dont feel guilty.However I do feel we have a very selective and often hypocritical memory in this country.

This country has done some amazing things(the NHS) but it also responsible for some absolutely horrific events.

Incidentally as for civil rights we only gave women the vote in 1919(I think)so we were hardly world pioneers in that field.

Bit of a tangent there like.

As stated above, literally no one in the British empire outside the UK got to vote for the British government whilst they were part of the empire.

All empires were devices for rich countries extracting surpluses from poor countries. All were founded on racism and exploitation The British were no better or worse than any other country.

I know all this. My partner is from Liverpool and is a history nerd. I’m not interested in how it started, I’m interested in how it ended and why. Hence my post before my piss take one.

This thread isn’t about having an argument. I’m not the remotest bit interested in debating it. I’ve got my opinion and you’ve got yours. Mines the unpopular one. Point made really "

True, you're definitely on the minority position on this, but I find it difficult to understand how, given 21st century mores, anymore can think an anti democratic racist institution was a good thing.

You can argue the British weren't as exploitative as the French or Spanish were in running their empires (though that's debatable), but then we're really into discussions as to whether Harold Shipman was a less evil person than Peter Sutcliffe.

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By *hubaysiWoman over a year ago

Leeds

Football is the must boring sport ever.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The British Empire was a positive influence on the world

There are at least some positive things about it. Everything historical needs to be evaluated in context. Would the world be a better place today if we'd never had it? Discuss:

I'm certainly in agreement that Empire bashing is easy and may impress some by sounding PC.

How about the Reformation was a positive influence on the world?

I'd say if you lived in certain parts of the world at that time you wouldnt be too enamoured with us.

Still everyone has their own opinion.

The holocaust was 80 years ago..not sure time has much to do with it.

I dont feel ashamed about it being english..it was fuck all to do with me.

I do think there were some horrific things which happened during that time however which imho gives us no moral superiority, which this country seem to revel in.

There may have been some positives but personally I wouldnt be proud of the legacy that we left.

‘Some positives’ is a bit of an understatement.

The attempted whole sale extermination of an entire ethnic group (plus the other victims) is a little different to 18th century imperialism.

The argument has been made that Hitler got some of his ideas from our 'adventurous' (concentration camps for example)

Yes we werent the only ones but we had the biggest empire in the world.Yet ironically went to war with Germany in 1914 for their colonial aspirations.

As for the benefits..were these not side effects?The empire was there to make rich people richer..im not sure we enslaved half of Africa so they would be able to count.

It's not about feeling bad or responsible..like I said earlier I certainly dont feel guilty.However I do feel we have a very selective and often hypocritical memory in this country.

This country has done some amazing things(the NHS) but it also responsible for some absolutely horrific events.

Incidentally as for civil rights we only gave women the vote in 1919(I think)so we were hardly world pioneers in that field.

Bit of a tangent there like.

As stated above, literally no one in the British empire outside the UK got to vote for the British government whilst they were part of the empire.

All empires were devices for rich countries extracting surpluses from poor countries. All were founded on racism and exploitation The British were no better or worse than any other country.

I know all this. My partner is from Liverpool and is a history nerd. I’m not interested in how it started, I’m interested in how it ended and why. Hence my post before my piss take one.

This thread isn’t about having an argument. I’m not the remotest bit interested in debating it. I’ve got my opinion and you’ve got yours. Mines the unpopular one. Point made really

Yawnsville. The fact you put ‘how anyone can think an anti democratic, racist institution was a good thing’ says it all really.

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