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Is Glamourisng War to Children good thing!?

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

I think not!

Your thoughts ?

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By *ildatheart6969Couple over a year ago

Cheltenham

"I think not!

Your thoughts ?"

They are the new recruits

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By *inky Biscuit DunkerMan over a year ago

Gloucestershire

Glamorising? In what context?

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By *olgateMan over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

Yes! They need to be forced to watch every John Wayne film ever made

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan over a year ago

Aylesbury

War and generally killing each other is part of the human condition. Its inevitable

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"War and generally killing each other is part of the human condition. Its inevitable "

Nah. Everyone wants to be all warlike until things get warlike for real. Then its only a small section who carry on regardless.

Promoting warlike stuff to kids wont make them act like that necessarily, but it may leave them desensitized.

Plenty of other stuff to subject your kids to!!!

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"Glamorising? In what context? "
star wars for example or even some the holy book's

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"I think not!

Your thoughts ?

They are the new recruits"

For the gravy train?

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"War and generally killing each other is part of the human condition. Its inevitable "

It's man made not a condition

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think not!

Your thoughts ?

They are the new recruits

For the gravy train?"

Lay off the drugs mate..

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan over a year ago

Aylesbury

"War and generally killing each other is part of the human condition. Its inevitable

Nah. Everyone wants to be all warlike until things get warlike for real. Then its only a small section who carry on regardless.

Promoting warlike stuff to kids wont make them act like that necessarily, but it may leave them desensitized.

Plenty of other stuff to subject your kids to!!!"

War is important. We've been doing it since before we started recording history. What do you think killed off the other hominids? It was us!

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"War and generally killing each other is part of the human condition. Its inevitable

Nah. Everyone wants to be all warlike until things get warlike for real. Then its only a small section who carry on regardless.

Promoting warlike stuff to kids wont make them act like that necessarily, but it may leave them desensitized.

Plenty of other stuff to subject your kids to!!!"
what about all the holy books promoting war!?

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"War and generally killing each other is part of the human condition. Its inevitable

Nah. Everyone wants to be all warlike until things get warlike for real. Then its only a small section who carry on regardless.

Promoting warlike stuff to kids wont make them act like that necessarily, but it may leave them desensitized.

Plenty of other stuff to subject your kids to!!!

War is important. We've been doing it since before we started recording history. What do you think killed off the other hominids? It was us!"

Yes since the beginning of the holy books, they are all promoting war?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No they shouldn't. I went to the Falklands and it was a truly horrific experience on balance, there was nothing glamorous about it

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"I think not!

Your thoughts ?

They are the new recruits

For the gravy train?

Lay off the drugs mate.."

Go and watch star wars dork!

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By *olgateMan over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

WAR MUST BE CELEBRATED AND HEROS SHOULD BE HONOURED

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"No they shouldn't. I went to the Falklands and it was a truly horrific experience on balance, there was nothing glamorous about it"

Thankyou for the logic

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"War and generally killing each other is part of the human condition. Its inevitable

Nah. Everyone wants to be all warlike until things get warlike for real. Then its only a small section who carry on regardless.

Promoting warlike stuff to kids wont make them act like that necessarily, but it may leave them desensitized.

Plenty of other stuff to subject your kids to!!!

War is important. We've been doing it since before we started recording history. What do you think killed off the other hominids? It was us!"

That's not the question.

The idiots who promote war in a glamorous manner havent been to war.

They generally like to pretend!

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"WAR MUST BE CELEBRATED AND HEROS SHOULD BE HONOURED "

Your brain WASHED mate and dangerous

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"War and generally killing each other is part of the human condition. Its inevitable

Nah. Everyone wants to be all warlike until things get warlike for real. Then its only a small section who carry on regardless.

Promoting warlike stuff to kids wont make them act like that necessarily, but it may leave them desensitized.

Plenty of other stuff to subject your kids to!!!

War is important. We've been doing it since before we started recording history. What do you think killed off the other hominids? It was us!

That's not the question.

The idiots who promote war in a glamorous manner havent been to war.

They generally like to pretend!"

Indeed my point!

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By *wist my nipplesCouple over a year ago

North East Scotland, mostly

"I think not!

Your thoughts ?

They are the new recruits

For the gravy train?

Lay off the drugs mate..

Go and watch star wars dork!"

Love Star Wars. So does my 6 year old. Who knows if anything we do as parents is truly right or wrong (in terms of long-term effects) but I have to say I’m quite comfortable with laser swords and Alec Guinness. I guess time will tell. Mr.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

For the most part war itself isnt galmourised, but the cause behind it usually is.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman over a year ago

little house on the praire

my son was never allowed television swords guns or anything like that. First day at nursery he ran to the lego box made a gun and went round shooting everyone

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By *olgateMan over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

"WAR MUST BE CELEBRATED AND HEROS SHOULD BE HONOURED

Your brain WASHED mate and dangerous "

ARMED AND DANGEROUS IN THE PURSUIT OF GLORY

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Were all rats

For the fat cats

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"WAR MUST BE CELEBRATED AND HEROS SHOULD BE HONOURED

Your brain WASHED mate and dangerous

ARMED AND DANGEROUS IN THE PURSUIT OF GLORY "

Ok John Wayne

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By *ensualbicockMan over a year ago

liverpool wavertree picton clock

It's disgusting to think a 17yr old soldier can be sent to a warzone but cant watch porn......Make love, not war

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"my son was never allowed television swords guns or anything like that. First day at nursery he ran to the lego box made a gun and went round shooting everyone"

Not good x

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"It's disgusting to think a 17yr old soldier can be sent to a warzone but cant watch porn......Make love, not war "
bravo

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By *ensualbicockMan over a year ago

liverpool wavertree picton clock

"Were all rats

For the fat cats "

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"Were all rats

For the fat cats "

Who's the cats?

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By *dquestCouple over a year ago

Peterborough

"my son was never allowed television swords guns or anything like that. First day at nursery he ran to the lego box made a gun and went round shooting everyone"

Our boys used sticks!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's disgusting to think a 17yr old soldier can be sent to a warzone but cant watch porn......Make love, not war "

Today's criminals against humanity don't sell drugs or make porn though.

As today's true criminals wear suits run countrys and sell the ideas that make them rich.

Were all rats to the fat cats

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"War and generally killing each other is part of the human condition. Its inevitable

Nah. Everyone wants to be all warlike until things get warlike for real. Then its only a small section who carry on regardless.

Promoting warlike stuff to kids wont make them act like that necessarily, but it may leave them desensitized.

Plenty of other stuff to subject your kids to!!! what about all the holy books promoting war!?"

Do "holy books" promote war? I see them more as a historical account of past human conflict written in the descriptive language of the time. I do, however, see potential future problems in the glamorisation of war in some of the more popular current computer games.

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By *rghYeTimbersMan over a year ago

Ipswich

It's nasty ugly and horrible it can also be necessary. Nothing glamorous about it at all.

It can provide some inspiring stories of personal or group achievement or courage and compassion just as it can provide tales of abominable crimes.

It's a topic that divides opinion. We almost certainly need people prepared to put themselves in danger to protect others.

Opinions differ markedly on politics and what is justifiable or proportionate in different situations from different perspectives.

Have a think about shorthand phrases it generates like fubar an snafu!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Were all rats

For the fat cats

Who's the cats?"

The people that profit from war and other peoples blood.

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By *ensualbicockMan over a year ago

liverpool wavertree picton clock

"Were all rats

For the fat cats

Who's the cats?

The people that profit from war and other peoples blood."

The fat cats are the same people who stir up the shit in the first place , then profit from it

The Military industrial complex i think.its called

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"It's disgusting to think a 17yr old soldier can be sent to a warzone but cant watch porn......Make love, not war

Today's criminals against humanity don't sell drugs or make porn though.

As today's true criminals wear suits run countrys and sell the ideas that make them rich.

Were all rats to the fat cats "

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"Were all rats

For the fat cats

Who's the cats?

The people that profit from war and other peoples blood."

Religion?

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

It's all part of control through fear. Corona, climate, muslims, infidels, homosexuals. Everyone's at it! Keep the people afraid of something, then they won't realise the biggest threat is in government.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's disgusting to think a 17yr old soldier can be sent to a warzone but cant watch porn......Make love, not war "

They dont. They have to be 18 to deploy to such a zone.

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"It's nasty ugly and horrible it can also be necessary. Nothing glamorous about it at all.

It can provide some inspiring stories of personal or group achievement or courage and compassion just as it can provide tales of abominable crimes.

It's a topic that divides opinion. We almost certainly need people prepared to put themselves in danger to protect others.

Opinions differ markedly on politics and what is justifiable or proportionate in different situations from different perspectives.

Have a think about shorthand phrases it generates like fubar an snafu!"

Yes i agree but not a child!

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"It's all part of control through fear. Corona, climate, muslims, infidels, homosexuals. Everyone's at it! Keep the people afraid of something, then they won't realise the biggest threat is in government."

Don't be afraid we have just been poisoned by faith! Which has no meaning...let's face reality head on

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"It's disgusting to think a 17yr old soldier can be sent to a warzone but cant watch porn......Make love, not war

They dont. They have to be 18 to deploy to such a zone."

Still it's taught tho regardless its written

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's nasty ugly and horrible it can also be necessary. Nothing glamorous about it at all.

It can provide some inspiring stories of personal or group achievement or courage and compassion just as it can provide tales of abominable crimes.

It's a topic that divides opinion. We almost certainly need people prepared to put themselves in danger to protect others.

Opinions differ markedly on politics and what is justifiable or proportionate in different situations from different perspectives.

Have a think about shorthand phrases it generates like fubar an snafu!

Yes i agree but not a child!"

So glamourising to a 17 yr old is wrong, but to an 18yr old it's ok?

How do define a child. 18 is simply a randomly agreed on age by society, it has nothing to do with mental capacity or maturity

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

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By *he Little Fuck MachineMan over a year ago

Co.Antrim

No, it shouldn’t be. Nothing glamorous about it! War’s horrific.

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

Historical account! The books show they are all man made! Putting women lasts with animals? killing gays? This is not normal!!!!

What's more likely

God made man?

Or man made many Gods?

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"No, it shouldn’t be. Nothing glamorous about it! War’s horrific."

Thankyou for your logic

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By *ensualbicockMan over a year ago

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Everybody read or listen on audiobook Confessions of a Economic Hitman ....America is Empire building right this minute

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By *ensualbicockMan over a year ago

liverpool wavertree picton clock

"Everybody read or listen on audiobook Confessions of a Economic Hitman ....America is Empire building right this minute

And the monetary system is their weapon of choice .....Read it

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By *om and JennieCouple over a year ago

Chams or Socials

If you call glamorising explaining to your children that their uncle nearly died & his friend’s coffin was actually empty because they couldn’t find his body parts due to a hidden explosive device then yes.

War is not glamorous

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think not!

Your thoughts ?"

I agree not

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Standing armies seem to be a necessity in this world.

Through all history people have got together to keep or increase what is theirs.

So should we or shouldn't we glamorise war is not really the question that should be asked.

Soldiers will parade in their snazzy ceremonial costumes (uniforms)

Recruitment will happen

"Manly endeavours' also have their appeal.

Jesus Christ,

Mahatma Gandhi.

Martin Luther-King

all individuals who led basically non-violent movements.

If we don't have examples for our children to follow.....

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By *ensualbicockMan over a year ago

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Sad state. But the worlds economy runs on war

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"my son was never allowed television swords guns or anything like that. First day at nursery he ran to the lego box made a gun and went round shooting everyone

Our boys used sticks! "

That's a battle

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"Standing armies seem to be a necessity in this world.

Through all history people have got together to keep or increase what is theirs.

So should we or shouldn't we glamorise war is not really the question that should be asked.

Soldiers will parade in their snazzy ceremonial costumes (uniforms)

Recruitment will happen

"Manly endeavours' also have their appeal.

Jesus Christ,

Mahatma Gandhi.

Martin Luther-King

all individuals who led basically non-violent movements.

If we don't have examples for our children to follow....."

You failed to answer the question! Would you glamorous war to a child?

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"Standing armies seem to be a necessity in this world.

Through all history people have got together to keep or increase what is theirs.

So should we or shouldn't we glamorise war is not really the question that should be asked.

Soldiers will parade in their snazzy ceremonial costumes (uniforms)

Recruitment will happen

"Manly endeavours' also have their appeal.

Jesus Christ,

Mahatma Gandhi.

Martin Luther-King

all individuals who led basically non-violent movements.

If we don't have examples for our children to follow....."

And jesus had a sword what's that about? And Ghandi loved his women what's that about

All man made nonsense! Putting women with the cattle what's that about, stoning gays what's that about

Maybe you should have a deeper think again?

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"I think not!

Your thoughts ?

I agree not"

Thankyou for your logic

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think not!

Your thoughts ?

I agree not

Thankyou for your logic "

So if they agree with you its logic, but if they dont you just ignore them. Classic

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"Everybody read or listen on audiobook Confessions of a Economic Hitman ....America is Empire building right this minute

And the monetary system is their weapon of choice .....Read it

No!

I suggest you catch up with Christopher hitchens and learn something!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

War's bad, m'kay?

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"I think not!

Your thoughts ?

I agree not

Thankyou for your logic

So if they agree with you its logic, but if they dont you just ignore them. Classic

If you're talking nonsense! Don't waste my time and yours

I suggest you do some research maybe with Christopher Hitchens

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"If you call glamorising explaining to your children that their uncle nearly died & his friend’s coffin was actually empty because they couldn’t find his body parts due to a hidden explosive device then yes.

War is not glamorous

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Edwin Starr said it Best "War what is it good for absolutely nothing"

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By *ensualbicockMan over a year ago

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"Everybody read or listen on audiobook Confessions of a Economic Hitman ....America is Empire building right this minute

And the monetary system is their weapon of choice .....Read it

No!

I suggest you catch up with Christopher hitchens and learn something!"

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By *ensualbicockMan over a year ago

liverpool wavertree picton clock

"Everybody read or listen on audiobook Confessions of a Economic Hitman ....America is Empire building right this minute

And the monetary system is their weapon of choice .....Read it

No!

I suggest you catch up with Christopher hitchens and learn something!

Maybe you shoumd though, you might learn something

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By *ensualbicockMan over a year ago

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By *ensualbicockMan over a year ago

liverpool wavertree picton clock

"Everybody read or listen on audiobook Confessions of a Economic Hitman ....America is Empire building right this minute

And the monetary system is their weapon of choice .....Read it

No!

I suggest you catch up with Christopher hitchens and learn something!

Maybe you shoumd though, you might learn something

And try some Noam Chomsky while your at it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ah,the old lie;

Dulce et decorum est,

Pro patria mori.

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Edwin Starr said it Best "War what is it good for absolutely nothing" "
Where does evil come from? Religion...sponsored Adolf Hitler! Celebrated his birthday every year? The Roman catholic church forced everyone in school Germany to learn there faith! In return...

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

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By *ensualbicockMan over a year ago

liverpool wavertree picton clock

"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Edwin Starr said it Best "War what is it good for absolutely nothing" Where does evil come from? Religion...sponsored Adolf Hitler! Celebrated his birthday every year? The Roman catholic church forced everyone in school Germany to learn there faith! In return...

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ..."

The bank of england wanted to bankroll him

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By *uckfunCouple over a year ago

North Coast

"It's disgusting to think a 17yr old soldier can be sent to a warzone but cant watch porn......Make love, not war "

You have to be 18+ to deploy operationally these days

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By *hyevernotMan over a year ago

Here and there

Let them listen to Army Dreamers by Kate Bush and make up their own minds.

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By *ools and the brainCouple over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Kid's have always played war

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By *hyevernotMan over a year ago

Here and there

One of the first rules of tabloid journalism is make an outlandish statement. If the answer to the hyped question is no there's no real story. But ask it anyway and put it in capitals as if people are saying yes all over the world. My two penneth.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ..."

I do know my history. I studied 20th Century History. One of my favourite subjects. Hitler was fueled by hate and his own twisted master race ideology.

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By *udistcpl1Couple over a year ago

Wirral

War - huh - what is it good for - absolutely nothing.

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By *udistcpl1Couple over a year ago

Wirral

Name that song and artist.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ..."

I disagree. Most wars are about greed, acquisition and profit, whether it be land or resources. Religion may be the excuse, but I don't believe it is the reason.

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By *ensualbicockMan over a year ago

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"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I disagree. Most wars are about greed, acquisition and profit, whether it be land or resources. Religion may be the excuse, but I don't believe it is the reason."

Religion is used as a tool

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I disagree. Most wars are about greed, acquisition and profit, whether it be land or resources. Religion may be the excuse, but I don't believe it is the reason.

Religion is used as a tool "
A Man nade tool

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I disagree. Most wars are about greed, acquisition and profit, whether it be land or resources. Religion may be the excuse, but I don't believe it is the reason."
do you research educate yourself and set yourself free from the chains that encourages slavery to women

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I do know my history. I studied 20th Century History. One of my favourite subjects. Hitler was fueled by hate and his own twisted master race ideology.

"
on there belt buckle was written God is on our side! Dig deeper and will see

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"One of the first rules of tabloid journalism is make an outlandish statement. If the answer to the hyped question is no there's no real story. But ask it anyway and put it in capitals as if people are saying yes all over the world. My two penneth. "
its the biggest scandal and story in the world! Go figure?

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"Kid's have always played war"
Wrong adults do

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

No. War needs to be a last resort and is typically horrific

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By *orenzoVonMatterhornMan over a year ago

Lincoln

Everyone wants to be a gangster until it's time to do some gangster shit.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I disagree. Most wars are about greed, acquisition and profit, whether it be land or resources. Religion may be the excuse, but I don't believe it is the reason.

Religion is used as a tool "

But that doesn't make it wholly responsible for a war, no more so than power, greed, profit, land, political ideology etc etc. Religion will always have a small part in war because humans believe in various gods, and they hope that those gods will keep them safe and smite the enemy. Other than that, you'd have to go all the way back to the Crusades before you found a higher religious involvement. Even those had an aspect of profit, ie the reclamation of some very profitable lands and territories.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I disagree. Most wars are about greed, acquisition and profit, whether it be land or resources. Religion may be the excuse, but I don't believe it is the reason. do you research educate yourself and set yourself free from the chains that encourages slavery to women "

I have no chains my friend, but my ancestors did. I have an education

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By *adetMan over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I disagree. Most wars are about greed, acquisition and profit, whether it be land or resources. Religion may be the excuse, but I don't believe it is the reason.

Religion is used as a tool

Have you turned on the TV lately?

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By *ensualbicockMan over a year ago

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"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I disagree. Most wars are about greed, acquisition and profit, whether it be land or resources. Religion may be the excuse, but I don't believe it is the reason.

Religion is used as a tool

I didn't say it was responsible. It is used as a tool to mobilize a nation though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I disagree. Most wars are about greed, acquisition and profit, whether it be land or resources. Religion may be the excuse, but I don't believe it is the reason.

Religion is used as a tool

I didn't say it was responsible. It is used as a tool to mobilize a nation though. "

To mobilise an entire Nation to go to war? When was this - which war?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm not going to start a war in a thread about war.

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By *ensualbicockMan over a year ago

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"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I disagree. Most wars are about greed, acquisition and profit, whether it be land or resources. Religion may be the excuse, but I don't believe it is the reason.

Religion is used as a tool

I didn't say it was responsible. It is used as a tool to mobilize a nation though.

To mobilise an entire Nation to go to war? When was this - which war?"

Always

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I disagree. Most wars are about greed, acquisition and profit, whether it be land or resources. Religion may be the excuse, but I don't believe it is the reason.

Religion is used as a tool

Have you turned on the TV lately?"

Yes, why?

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I have no chains my friend, but my ancestors did. I have an education

"
but not in history it seems

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I disagree. Most wars are about greed, acquisition and profit, whether it be land or resources. Religion may be the excuse, but I don't believe it is the reason.

Religion is used as a tool

I didn't say it was responsible. It is used as a tool to mobilize a nation though.

To mobilise an entire Nation to go to war? When was this - which war?

Always "

Can you not specifically name me a war that was started entirely due to religion?

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By *ensualbicockMan over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I have no chains my friend, but my ancestors did. I have an education

but not in history it seems "

You talk in nonsensical riddles throughout this thread. You blame religion but can give no specifics. Why?

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I disagree. Most wars are about greed, acquisition and profit, whether it be land or resources. Religion may be the excuse, but I don't believe it is the reason.

Religion is used as a tool

Have you turned on the TV lately?

Yes, why?"
religion has infected the whole of this planet with no evidence

In the meantime the world grows dangerously full of egos

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I disagree. Most wars are about greed, acquisition and profit, whether it be land or resources. Religion may be the excuse, but I don't believe it is the reason.

Religion is used as a tool

I didn't say it was responsible. It is used as a tool to mobilize a nation though.

To mobilise an entire Nation to go to war? When was this - which war?

Always

Can you not specifically name me a war that was started entirely due to religion?

Every war "

Ok, then - explain to me how WW2 was caused by religion please.

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By *ensualbicockMan over a year ago

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"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I disagree. Most wars are about greed, acquisition and profit, whether it be land or resources. Religion may be the excuse, but I don't believe it is the reason.

Religion is used as a tool

I didn't say it was responsible. It is used as a tool to mobilize a nation though.

To mobilise an entire Nation to go to war? When was this - which war?

Always

Can you not specifically name me a war that was started entirely due to religion?"

Never said religion was the cause im saying the powers that be have always used it as a tool. Hitler and Stalin detested religion but during war they didnt mind it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I disagree. Most wars are about greed, acquisition and profit, whether it be land or resources. Religion may be the excuse, but I don't believe it is the reason.

Religion is used as a tool

I didn't say it was responsible. It is used as a tool to mobilize a nation though.

To mobilise an entire Nation to go to war? When was this - which war?

Always

Can you not specifically name me a war that was started entirely due to religion?

Never said religion was the cause im saying the powers that be have always used it as a tool. Hitler and Stalin detested religion but during war they didnt mind it "

Used it as a tool in what way? As I said in a previous post-religion will always have a small part in war because humans believe in various gods, and they hope that those gods will keep them safe and smite the enemy. It's no more used as a "tool" than any other kind of propaganda. Duty to country, duty to loved ones, duty to protection "way of life" are all tools of propaganda.

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By *ensualbicockMan over a year ago

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"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I disagree. Most wars are about greed, acquisition and profit, whether it be land or resources. Religion may be the excuse, but I don't believe it is the reason.

Religion is used as a tool

I didn't say it was responsible. It is used as a tool to mobilize a nation though.

To mobilise an entire Nation to go to war? When was this - which war?

Always

Can you not specifically name me a war that was started entirely due to religion?

Never said religion was the cause im saying the powers that be have always used it as a tool. Hitler and Stalin detested religion but during war they didnt mind it

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I disagree. Most wars are about greed, acquisition and profit, whether it be land or resources. Religion may be the excuse, but I don't believe it is the reason.

Religion is used as a tool

I didn't say it was responsible. It is used as a tool to mobilize a nation though.

To mobilise an entire Nation to go to war? When was this - which war?

Always

Can you not specifically name me a war that was started entirely due to religion?

Never said religion was the cause im saying the powers that be have always used it as a tool. Hitler and Stalin detested religion but during war they didnt mind it

Its been drilled into being part of culture and society and in our everyday language. I suggest fighting over man made Gods is not healthy for this planet

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By *ensualbicockMan over a year ago

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Google .....How is religion used as a political tool

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I disagree. Most wars are about greed, acquisition and profit, whether it be land or resources. Religion may be the excuse, but I don't believe it is the reason.

Religion is used as a tool

I didn't say it was responsible. It is used as a tool to mobilize a nation though.

To mobilise an entire Nation to go to war? When was this - which war?

Always

Can you not specifically name me a war that was started entirely due to religion?

Never said religion was the cause im saying the powers that be have always used it as a tool. Hitler and Stalin detested religion but during war they didnt mind it

Its been drilled into being part of culture and society and in our everyday language. I suggest fighting over man made Gods is not healthy for this planet "

Indeed it has, and I agree - fighting over man-made gods is not healthy for this planet. Neither is fighting over man-made concepts like socialism, Marxism, communism, borders etc. These things are far more prevalent in the causation of conflict than an imagined deity ever was.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Google .....How is religion used as a political tool

I'm out

Please don't go, I'll google your suggestion and continue the discussion if you wish.

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By *ensualbicockMan over a year ago

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"Google .....How is religion used as a political tool

I'm out

Please don't go, I'll google your suggestion and continue the discussion if you wish."

No your ok mate. Happy reading

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By *adetMan over a year ago

South of Ipswich

The Christopher Hitchens debates on YouTube are fantastic and truly enlightening. He sums up religion and the causality of conflict so beautifully. Highly, highly recommended

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Google .....How is religion used as a political tool

I'm out

Please don't go, I'll google your suggestion and continue the discussion if you wish.

No your ok mate. Happy reading

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"Google .....How is religion used as a political tool

I'm out

Please don't go, I'll google your suggestion and continue the discussion if you wish.

No your ok mate. Happy reading

After a quick read, I can find no immediate correlation between religion as a political tool directly used to enter into war, which is the general theme of this thread. I agree it is used as a political influencing tool, but that is really another discussion."
look at the crusades! 9-11 the nazi belt buckle! Btw you can only become president of USA if you have the church backing

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not war but I think it’s important to teach them to fight for what they believe in, especially their liberty.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Christopher Hitchens debates on YouTube are fantastic and truly enlightening. He sums up religion and the causality of conflict so beautifully. Highly, highly recommended"

I read his book "God is not Great" a few years back. He seemed an angry man, and a man dissatisfied and disappointed with life. He also spent most of the text amplifying what he believed to be wrong with specific religions and rarely mentioned the good aspects. Community spirit, charity, the arts etc. Literacy was spread throughout the world because of religious texts.

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"The Christopher Hitchens debates on YouTube are fantastic and truly enlightening. He sums up religion and the causality of conflict so beautifully. Highly, highly recommended

I read his book "God is not Great" a few years back. He seemed an angry, and a man dissatisfied disappointed with life. He also spent most of the text amplifying what he believed to be wrong with specific religions and rarely mentioned the good aspects. Community spirit, charity, the arts etc. Literacy was spread throughout the world because of religious texts. "
that's because people are angry! Are you still in favour of making women the same as cattle or killing gay people? Or forcing girls to marry dirty old uncles! ? Religion does poison everything!

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By *adetMan over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"The Christopher Hitchens debates on YouTube are fantastic and truly enlightening. He sums up religion and the causality of conflict so beautifully. Highly, highly recommended

You can lead a horse to water...

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By *reemindCoolMan over a year ago

between Barnsley and Wakefield

There is absolutely nothing glamorous about war/

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By *dquestCouple over a year ago

Peterborough

"We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm."

-Orwell (allegedly)

No need to glorify the hard facts of life... but every reason to face them clear eyed and head on.

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By *adetMan over a year ago

South of Ipswich

Just on a side note I'd recommend his debates with Frank Turek and Al Sharpton. You kinda feel sorry for both of them once Hitchens has roundly whipped them into shape

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"The Christopher Hitchens debates on YouTube are fantastic and truly enlightening. He sums up religion and the causality of conflict so beautifully. Highly, highly recommended

You can lead a horse to water..."
the charity trick again! America makes 1.3trillion dollars per year...that's alot of money where's it going all this money? Not back into a better life that's for sure . Take a look at the real world

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By *urtyGentMan over a year ago

eastleigh

Yes. Toughen them up for the hunger games reality of their future

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Films like star wars sanitise war. These films dont portray the horrors, suffering, people living in terror dismembered body parts, gore and rivers of blood etc.

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By *ensualbicockMan over a year ago

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"Films like star wars sanitise war. These films dont portray the horrors, suffering, people living in terror dismembered body parts, gore and rivers of blood etc. "

Luke skywalker was technically a terrorist

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Christopher Hitchens debates on YouTube are fantastic and truly enlightening. He sums up religion and the causality of conflict so beautifully. Highly, highly recommended

You can lead a horse to water... the charity trick again! America makes 1.3trillion dollars per year...that's alot of money where's it going all this money? Not back into a better life that's for sure . Take a look at the real world "

I didn't realise the United states was a charity. And technically have a major separation of state and religion. Although no denying religion does play a part in their social and political actions

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Google .....How is religion used as a political tool

I'm out

Please don't go, I'll google your suggestion and continue the discussion if you wish.

No your ok mate. Happy reading

After a quick read, I can find no immediate correlation between religion as a political tool directly used to enter into war, which is the general theme of this thread. I agree it is used as a political influencing tool, but that is really another discussion. look at the crusades! 9-11 the nazi belt buckle! Btw you can only become president of USA if you have the church backing "

I have already addressed the topic of the Crusades above. The Nazi's belt buckle is irrelevant - soldiers of all religions wore icons of their faith. Many Christian soldiers wore crucifixes, Sikhs wore turbans etc. These things were not related to the causation of war. As for potus, many countries' leaders are faith-based. A political affiliation with religion is not ultimately a direct reason for war, but yes - it can be a contributing factor alongside many other, more pertinent factors as I have mentioned above.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Incidentally, those who stir up wars are are the ones who stay out of the fighting and benefit : politicians, arms dealers etc...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Christopher Hitchens debates on YouTube are fantastic and truly enlightening. He sums up religion and the causality of conflict so beautifully. Highly, highly recommended

You can lead a horse to water..."

...but you have to have the knowledge that the water is safe for the horse to drink Many animals are able to sense this, horses are one of the few, plus humans, that can't. My point is that all subjects need a good knowledge of both sides. Christopher Hitchens didn't, in my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Christopher Hitchens debates on YouTube are fantastic and truly enlightening. He sums up religion and the causality of conflict so beautifully. Highly, highly recommended

I didn't realise the United states was a charity. And technically have a major separation of state and religion. Although no denying religion does play a part in their social and political actions "

The words "In God We Trust" appear on all American banknotes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Incidentally, those who stir up wars are are the ones who stay out of the fighting and benefit : politicians, arms dealers etc...

This is very true. War makes money for many.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Incidentally, those who stir up wars are are the ones who stay out of the fighting and benefit : politicians, arms dealers etc...

This is very true. War makes money for many."

And misery for many more.

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By *adetMan over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"The Christopher Hitchens debates on YouTube are fantastic and truly enlightening. He sums up religion and the causality of conflict so beautifully. Highly, highly recommended

I didn't realise the United states was a charity. And technically have a major separation of state and religion. Although no denying religion does play a part in their social and political actions

The words "In God We Trust" appear on all American banknotes.

And Charles Darwin appeared on the £10 note

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Christopher Hitchens debates on YouTube are fantastic and truly enlightening. He sums up religion and the causality of conflict so beautifully. Highly, highly recommended

I didn't realise the United states was a charity. And technically have a major separation of state and religion. Although no denying religion does play a part in their social and political actions

The words "In God We Trust" appear on all American banknotes.

And Charles Darwin appeared on the £10 note

Indeed he did. Out of many candidates was selected, naturally.

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By *he Little Fuck MachineMan over a year ago

Co.Antrim

"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I disagree. Most wars are about greed, acquisition and profit, whether it be land or resources. Religion may be the excuse, but I don't believe it is the reason.

Religion is used as a tool

I didn't say it was responsible. It is used as a tool to mobilize a nation though.

To mobilise an entire Nation to go to war? When was this - which war?

Always

Can you not specifically name me a war that was started entirely due to religion?"

The Troubles in Northern Ireland, for one! Guerilla Warfare but nonetheless a dirty war caused by Religious Division/Sectarianism.

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I disagree. Most wars are about greed, acquisition and profit, whether it be land or resources. Religion may be the excuse, but I don't believe it is the reason.

Religion is used as a tool

I didn't say it was responsible. It is used as a tool to mobilize a nation though.

To mobilise an entire Nation to go to war? When was this - which war?

Always

Can you not specifically name me a war that was started entirely due to religion?

The Troubles in Northern Ireland, for one! Guerilla Warfare but nonetheless a dirty war caused by Religious Division/Sectarianism."
9.11 the crusades world war 1, there's so many

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"Incidentally, those who stir up wars are are the ones who stay out of the fighting and benefit : politicians, arms dealers etc...

Religion has started hundreds of wars name me an atheist war?

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"War and generally killing each other is part of the human condition. Its inevitable "

Killing others is the one thing that's a crime across all societies and cultures.

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I disagree. Most wars are about greed, acquisition and profit, whether it be land or resources. Religion may be the excuse, but I don't believe it is the reason.

Religion is used as a tool

I didn't say it was responsible. It is used as a tool to mobilize a nation though.

To mobilise an entire Nation to go to war? When was this - which war?

Always

Can you not specifically name me a war that was started entirely due to religion?

The Troubles in Northern Ireland, for one! Guerilla Warfare but nonetheless a dirty war caused by Religious Division/Sectarianism."

Can he name us an atheist war?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I disagree. Most wars are about greed, acquisition and profit, whether it be land or resources. Religion may be the excuse, but I don't believe it is the reason.

Religion is used as a tool

I didn't say it was responsible. It is used as a tool to mobilize a nation though.

To mobilise an entire Nation to go to war? When was this - which war?

Always

Can you not specifically name me a war that was started entirely due to religion?

The Troubles in Northern Ireland, for one! Guerilla Warfare but nonetheless a dirty war caused by Religious Division/Sectarianism.

Can he name us an atheist war?"

A war that was started purely due to atheism? No, of course not. That's as silly as saying wars are started by religion. No war, including the Crusades, were started purely because of differences of Faith. There have been wars where religion is an accompanying factor, but never the only cause. I think you're confusing cause and association. Saying wars are caused by religion is like saying wars are caused by humans. Religion and humanity are inexorably linked. You could say with equal accuracy that wars are caused by men.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I disagree. Most wars are about greed, acquisition and profit, whether it be land or resources. Religion may be the excuse, but I don't believe it is the reason.

Religion is used as a tool

I didn't say it was responsible. It is used as a tool to mobilize a nation though.

To mobilise an entire Nation to go to war? When was this - which war?

Always

Can you not specifically name me a war that was started entirely due to religion?

The Troubles in Northern Ireland, for one! Guerilla Warfare but nonetheless a dirty war caused by Religious Division/Sectarianism."

No, that's not true at all. I can't be bothered to explain, so here's a quote from Wikipedia - not always the most accurate source, but sufficient to explain. You can argue it with them if you so choose.

"The Troubles...The conflict was primarily political and nationalistic, fuelled by historical events. It also had an ethnic or sectarian dimension, although it was not a religious conflict."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I disagree. Most wars are about greed, acquisition and profit, whether it be land or resources. Religion may be the excuse, but I don't believe it is the reason.

Religion is used as a tool

I didn't say it was responsible. It is used as a tool to mobilize a nation though.

To mobilise an entire Nation to go to war? When was this - which war?

Always

Can you not specifically name me a war that was started entirely due to religion?

The Troubles in Northern Ireland, for one! Guerilla Warfare but nonetheless a dirty war caused by Religious Division/Sectarianism.

Can he name us an atheist war?"

Here's a quote from The Huffington Post

"The Encyclopedia of Wars, an extensive study published in 2008, chronicles 1,763 wars throughout human history. It names just 123 as 'religious in nature' – a little under 7%."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm not religious in any way, shape or from, but blaming wars on religion is just lazy thinking. Wars, invariably, are fought because of greed. One side wants something the other side has, whether that be power, wealth, land, freedom, status, autonomy etc. As Ghandi said, "The world has enough for everyone's need, but not enough for everyone's greed." Wars are fought by believers, non-believers and everyone in between.

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By *ensualbicockMan over a year ago

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The reality is that the figure of Jesus was the solar deity of the Naustic Christian sect. And like all other pagan gods he was a mythical figure. It was the political establishment that sort to historise the jesus figure for social control. By 325 in Rome Emperor Constantine convened the Council of Nicea. It was during this meeting that the politically motivated Christian doctrines were established, and thus began a long history of Christian bloodshed and Spiritual fraud. And for the 1600 years it was the Vatican maintained a political stringlehold over all of Europe. Leading to such joyous periods like the Dark Ages along with enlightening events such as the crusades and the Inquisition. Christianity along with all other theistic belief systems is the fraud of the age. It serves to detatch the species from the natural world, and likewise each other. It supports blind submission to authority. It reduces humun responsibility to the effect that God controls everything, and in turn awful crimes can be justified in the name of devine pursuit. And most importantly it empowers those who know the truth but use the myth to manipulate and control societies. The religious myth is the most powerful device ever created, and serves as the psychological soil upon which other myths can flourish.

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"The reality is that the figure of Jesus was the solar deity of the Naustic Christian sect. And like all other pagan gods he was a mythical figure. It was the political establishment that sort to historise the jesus figure for social control. By 325 in Rome Emperor Constantine convened the Council of Nicea. It was during this meeting that the politically motivated Christian doctrines were established, and thus began a long history of Christian bloodshed and Spiritual fraud. And for the 1600 years it was the Vatican maintained a political stringlehold over all of Europe. Leading to such joyous periods like the Dark Ages along with enlightening events such as the crusades and the Inquisition. Christianity along with all other theistic belief systems is the fraud of the age. It serves to detatch the species from the natural world, and likewise each other. It supports blind submission to authority. It reduces humun responsibility to the effect that God controls everything, and in turn awful crimes can be justified in the name of devine pursuit. And most importantly it empowers those who know the truth but use the myth to manipulate and control societies. The religious myth is the most powerful device ever created, and serves as the psychological soil upon which other myths can flourish. "

True but for me it's time to wash this nonsense out of our system

It's even poisoned language.... so understand how much this garbage has effected the world and as ive said they all glorify war

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Standing armies seem to be a necessity in this world.

Through all history people have got together to keep or increase what is theirs.

So should we or shouldn't we glamorise war is not really the question that should be asked.

Soldiers will parade in their snazzy ceremonial costumes (uniforms)

Recruitment will happen

"Manly endeavours' also have their appeal.

Jesus Christ,

Mahatma Gandhi.

Martin Luther-King

all individuals who led basically non-violent movements.

If we don't have examples for our children to follow.....

And jesus had a sword what's that about? And Ghandi loved his women what's that about

All man made nonsense! Putting women with the cattle what's that about, stoning gays what's that about

Maybe you should have a deeper think again?"
I'm looking at the influence they all had on their societies and world at large as regards (as I understand it) physical non-violence as opposed to war or a 'warmongering' attitude.

Two of those individuals were fallible men.

The other mentioned at times to be something far bigger...

I think these people were all violent but in a more spiritual way. It's takes a sort of violence upon oneself to not be provoked etc.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think not!

Your thoughts ?"

Reading your profile and reading your posts, its like two different people!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

History is only a lesson if people learn from it. Time and time again we have proven that people will never learn this lesson.

There isn't a single film out there that even comes close to giving any idea how frightened you can be even knowing you're going to war let alone being in one. No film comes close to the horror of seeing casualty after casualty burnt and maimed beyond belief, the fear of death

If they want to make a decent war film make ones where the leaders lead from the front and make that the accepted norm

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

War is one thing that will never end and has to be accepted that it will happen, it’s been going on since the dark ages but we just have to make good of the time we are here x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Unfortunately loads of computer games promote war and/or killing and the effect of those is desensitisation ... it's sad and why life is getting more violent. It's a much studied concept.

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"I'm not religious in any way, shape or from, but blaming wars on religion is just lazy thinking. Wars, invariably, are fought because of greed. One side wants something the other side has, whether that be power, wealth, land, freedom, status, autonomy etc. As Ghandi said, "The world has enough for everyone's need, but not enough for everyone's greed." Wars are fought by believers, non-believers and everyone in between. "

More wars are created through religion than any other wars. Name a atheist war? I can name you a religious one straight away!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

More wars are created through religion than any other wars. Name a atheist war? I can name you a religious one straight away!"

Ooh a quiz, I do love a quiz

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Comics as a kid ,Battle Warlord the Victor. Toy guns toy soldiers action man. At 13 joined the army _adets.At 16 joined as boy soldier 18 signed full time contract up to 27 I played soldier.

I play Airsoft run around as a Viking.

And in my spare time I wear dresses and knickers.

My life is confusing

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By *ulfilthmentMan over a year ago

Just around the corner

"No they shouldn't. I went to the Falklands and it was a truly horrific experience on balance, there was nothing glamorous about it"

I absolutely agree that there’s nothing glamorous about it at all, but what’s the alternative? Do nothing? That’s fine if all that’s at stake is a rocky island or a dusty village thousands of miles away and that half the population had never heard of. What happens if the threat is closer to home? Should we just accept what’s offered? Imagine how that might have gone if we’d done nothing in 1939.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No they shouldn't. I went to the Falklands and it was a truly horrific experience on balance, there was nothing glamorous about it

Totally agree, wars sometimes need to be fought, sadly but they do. But when was the last time anyone made a war film in which tired frightened young men were having to clear peoples houses where enemy officers had shat absolutely everywhere and booby trapped childrens toys? The film and the reality are so far apart it's not true.

The only heros in war are dead and the dead only know one thing: It's better to be alive!

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By *ensualbicockMan over a year ago

liverpool wavertree picton clock

"my son was never allowed television swords guns or anything like that. First day at nursery he ran to the lego box made a gun and went round shooting everyone

Our boys used sticks! "

I love your pics x They made me smile

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No they shouldn't. I went to the Falklands and it was a truly horrific experience on balance, there was nothing glamorous about it

The only heros in war are dead and the dead only know one thing: It's better to be alive! "

Plus picking up body parts, getting some on yr uniform, ptsd snd struggling mentally when you get home isn't portrayed enough, let alone the civilians caught up in it all

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By *ex HolesMan over a year ago

Up North

"I think not!

Your thoughts ?"

If you live in America it is

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I disagree. Most wars are about greed, acquisition and profit, whether it be land or resources. Religion may be the excuse, but I don't believe it is the reason.

Religion is used as a tool

I didn't say it was responsible. It is used as a tool to mobilize a nation though.

To mobilise an entire Nation to go to war? When was this - which war?

Always

Can you not specifically name me a war that was started entirely due to religion?

The Troubles in Northern Ireland, for one! Guerilla Warfare but nonetheless a dirty war caused by Religious Division/Sectarianism.

Can he name us an atheist war?

Here's a quote from The Huffington Post

"The Encyclopedia of Wars, an extensive study published in 2008, chronicles 1,763 wars throughout human history. It names just 123 as 'religious in nature' – a little under 7%.""

That's rubbish do you research properly name me an atheist war and ill name you a religious one and we will see how many gods were involved?

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I disagree. Most wars are about greed, acquisition and profit, whether it be land or resources. Religion may be the excuse, but I don't believe it is the reason.

Religion is used as a tool

I didn't say it was responsible. It is used as a tool to mobilize a nation though.

To mobilise an entire Nation to go to war? When was this - which war?

Always

Can you not specifically name me a war that was started entirely due to religion?

The Troubles in Northern Ireland, for one! Guerilla Warfare but nonetheless a dirty war caused by Religious Division/Sectarianism.

Can he name us an atheist war?

Here's a quote from The Huffington Post

"The Encyclopedia of Wars, an extensive study published in 2008, chronicles 1,763 wars throughout human history. It names just 123 as 'religious in nature' – a little under 7%."

That's rubbish do you research properly name me an atheist war and ill name you a religious one and we will see how many gods were involved?"

Also name me God these day's that supports Women!! Your a fool

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Regardless there is no going back, most young men are desensitised towards war and death long before they’re old enough to buy a lottery ticket. I don’t agree with glamorising war but I’m all for teaching kids the importance of having a war ready army.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Everybody read or listen on audiobook Confessions of a Economic Hitman ....America is Empire building right this minute

They are just pissed off they never got to play Empire before it became unfashionable. ..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"History is important as those who neglect it are doomed to repeat its mistakes.

Evil only wins when good is complacent and fails to act. Wars are terrible. World War One was a massive arms race that ignited with an assassination.

No country or side was evil. Though crimes were carried out. A tragic waste of life. It bred a particularly twisted Austrian who fueled through evil and hate went on to start the next one.

Know your history please! Most wars are about who's invisible Gods bigger ...

I disagree. Most wars are about greed, acquisition and profit, whether it be land or resources. Religion may be the excuse, but I don't believe it is the reason.

Religion is used as a tool

I didn't say it was responsible. It is used as a tool to mobilize a nation though.

To mobilise an entire Nation to go to war? When was this - which war?

Always

Can you not specifically name me a war that was started entirely due to religion?

The Troubles in Northern Ireland, for one! Guerilla Warfare but nonetheless a dirty war caused by Religious Division/Sectarianism.

Can he name us an atheist war?

Here's a quote from The Huffington Post

"The Encyclopedia of Wars, an extensive study published in 2008, chronicles 1,763 wars throughout human history. It names just 123 as 'religious in nature' – a little under 7%."

That's rubbish do you research properly name me an atheist war and ill name you a religious one and we will see how many gods were involved?

Also name me God these day's that supports Women!! Your a fool"

Ok, you've made a personal insult to me yet produced no actual evidence to support your claim that all wars are motivated primarily by religion, whereas I've given you evidence from actual experts of my stance. In short, you're entirely convinced your beliefs are correct with no evidence whatsoever, but use insults to try and prove your point. Does that condition sound at all familiar to you?

I'll make it easy for you to show evidence of your assertion that all wars are motivated by religion and give you three examples. Genghis Khan of Mongolia, Alexander of Macedonia and Mzilikazi of Africa. These men headed armies that made war with numerous nations and between them, slaughtered more human beings than the totals of ALL wars previously and subsequently. If you can explain to me with evidential proof that any of these delightful gentlemen were entirely motivated to war by religion, you will not only have changed my mind, but you will have changed the history of the world researched and documented by countless scholastic experts. Over to you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I like it

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By *ensualbicockMan over a year ago

liverpool wavertree picton clock

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This entire thread is just the OP espousing their belief that all war is caused by religion. It’s been a great read, but very misguided.

War is integral to human civilisation and always has been. There’s a silly amount of anthropological, archeological and geological evidence to suggest that war has always existed. The argument that it’s all because of religion is nonsense. As others have pointed out there’s plenty of examples from relatively recent history disproving that view. The biggest being the two World Wars. I don’t understand how anyone can argue otherwise.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Forgot how everyone on the forums is all of a sudden an expert fuck sake lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Forgot how everyone on the forums is all of a sudden an expert fuck sake lol "

A degree in Modern History and a partner with professional qualifications in the classics and war studies gives me a little insight thanks

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Forgot how everyone on the forums is all of a sudden an expert fuck sake lol "

We don't all sweep floors for a living

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"This entire thread is just the OP espousing their belief that all war is caused by religion. It’s been a great read, but very misguided.

Then you don't understand that Hitler's birthday was celebrated by the church every year or the belt buckle had... God is on our side? Or the fact that the church changes the whole culture with fear....teaching religion compulsory in schools! Really you don't understand.

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"Forgot how everyone on the forums is all of a sudden an expert fuck sake lol

A degree in Modern History and a partner with professional qualifications in the classics and war studies gives me a little insight thanks "

Not good enough titles don't mean anything to me!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This entire thread is just the OP espousing their belief that all war is caused by religion. It’s been a great read, but very misguided.

Theism and atheism are two sides of the same coin. Neither can prove existence, or non-existence but both will insist that their own viewpoint is the correct one and resort to bullying and insults to bolster their opinions when their views are rejected. Both are zealots in that respect.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Forgot how everyone on the forums is all of a sudden an expert fuck sake lol

A degree in Modern History and a partner with professional qualifications in the classics and war studies gives me a little insight thanks

Not good enough titles don't mean anything to me!"

Nor, apparently, do literary and historical experts, evidence, legitimate research and reality mean anything to you. You need to question your own system of beliefs, but base it on reality rather than blind supposition.

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By *ustataste OP Man over a year ago

Wood Green

"I think not!

Your thoughts ?

If you live in America it is "

The only thing good about about America is there constitution! And religion trys to poison even that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think not!

Your thoughts ?

If you live in America it is

The only thing good about about America is there constitution! And religion trys to poison even that"

You really don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about, do you? You've offered no evidence to back up any of your claims, and can only offer ridiculous associations like a belt buckle

You display all the usual traits of a religious zealot. But that's the point - atheism is defined as the belief in the lack of existence of a god or gods. A belief is a belief, whether positive or negative.

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