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"Fukushima is being talked about a lot, haven't seen it on the news here though. Turns out its a lot worse than people think, There’s more cesium in Unit 4 than 800 nuclear bombs were to explode above ground. They are still not cleaning the mess up as a molten core is on the floor and they don't even know how to pick it up. U.N, America want to give them help asap as a small earthquake could be enough to make it go, thats more than 800 nukes going as one. What are your thoughts?" ALL political and national interests need to be set aside and every effort made to make this safe and to clean up the mess as far as our technology allows...THEN STOP MESSING AROUND WITH NUCLEAR PLANTS especially in areas of high seizmic activity  | |||
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"Totally agree. Can't believe our government wants nuclear power. Something goes wrong which it can, then a huge area unusable. Technology wise we have enough for green energy living. Our governments should all work together to help in Japan, you'd be an idiot to think if unit 4 goes that it wont affect us." It would be a planet wide disaster | |||
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"Whilst I somewhat agree that Nuclear stations in an area known to be seismically unstable is a bit daft, there were considerations in the original design in the late 60's/early 70s. The original design intent for Earthquake and Tsunami was based on a 1/1000 year event probability, the actual event was deemed a 1/10000 year probability...can't remember the actual figures as my notes are at work, but something like designed to withstand 8 on Richter/18' wave and event was 9 on Richter/24' wave....the plant staff followed all emergency protocols correctly, but unfortunately, Mother Nature at her fiercest overwhelmed them" Thereby proving the point that shit does indeed happen ! | |||
"Our governments should all work together to help in Japan, you'd be an idiot to think if unit 4 goes that it wont affect us." I was always under the impression the rest of the world actually wanted to help but it was the Japanese goverment who refused and witheld facts about how bad the actual damage was | |||
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"Chernobyl went into meltdown and we're still here aren't we. All this hullaballoo about 800 nukes going off at the same time, pah, sensationalism pure and simple. "Totally agree.....simple scaremongering. | |||
"Chernobyl went into meltdown and we're still here aren't we. All this hullaballoo about 800 nukes going off at the same time, pah, sensationalism pure and simple.
Totally agree.....simple scaremongering."In Germany they will be shutting all nuclear power plants down. | |||
"Chernobyl went into meltdown and we're still here aren't we. All this hullaballoo about 800 nukes going off at the same time, pah, sensationalism pure and simple.
Totally agree.....simple scaremongering.
In Germany they will be shutting all nuclear power plants down."Under their present government maybe....maybe not when they eventually have another government in | |||
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"Chernobyl went into meltdown and we're still here aren't we. All this hullaballoo about 800 nukes going off at the same time, pah, sensationalism pure and simple.
Totally agree.....simple scaremongering.
In Germany they will be shutting all nuclear power plants down.
Under their present government maybe....maybe not when they eventually have another government in"I m not sure, Jane - the lobby against has traditiona(I am talking about the last 25 years plus and certainly since Tschernobyl - some say that they are throwing the baby out with the bathwater by shutting down what is considered by scientists a very safe source of energy, | |||
"pretty sure Salmond and the SNP wants Scotland nuclear free aswell, how he's going to do that when 2 nuclear stations provide a third of our power needs i don't know." Maybe power driven by hot air? | |||
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"So could anybody explain the difference between Japanese, German, French and British nuclear power stations. "Japanese ones work until nature fucks them up. German ones work. Perfectly. Zey are German and all German zings work. Perfectly. French ones work but only if they're on time and half and get every third Sunday off. British ones pretend they're perfect and will never have a problem, but then they're built by Germans using French materials with Japanese control panels. Hard hat anyone?  | |||
"pretty sure Salmond and the SNP wants Scotland nuclear free aswell, how he's going to do that when 2 nuclear stations provide a third of our power needs i don't know. Maybe power driven by hot air?" I see what you did there. Clever. Clever. | |||
"So could anybody explain the difference between Japanese, German, French and British nuclear power stations.
Japanese ones work until nature fucks them up.
German ones work. Perfectly. Zey are German and all German zings work. Perfectly.
French ones work but only if they're on time and half and get every third Sunday off.
British ones pretend they're perfect and will never have a problem, but then they're built by Germans using French materials with Japanese control panels.
Hard hat anyone? "Most of modern British are French design, English engineering with American control panels. All except for British use four guard line systems max British use seven that include usually sea or lake water, reserve ultimate heat sink ( big radiator) and fail to safe drop rod. After windscale we went belt and braces | |||
"So could anybody explain the difference between Japanese, German, French and British nuclear power stations.
Japanese ones work until nature fucks them up.
German ones work. Perfectly. Zey are German and all German zings work. Perfectly.
French ones work but only if they're on time and half and get every third Sunday off.
British ones pretend they're perfect and will never have a problem, but then they're built by Germans using French materials with Japanese control panels.
Hard hat anyone?
Most of modern British are French design, English engineering with American control panels. All except for British use four guard line systems max British use seven that include usually sea or lake water, reserve ultimate heat sink ( big radiator) and fail to safe drop rod. After windscale we went belt and braces"Tbh I have no idea what the difference is between them, or what British nuc reacs are made of. Don't really care either as there isn't a viable alternative. | |||
" Tbh I have no idea what the difference is between them, or what British nuc reacs are made of. Don't really care either as there isn't a viable alternative." I think you are right, Wishy - so far there has not been a suitable clean alternative. | |||
"Chernobyl went into meltdown and we're still here aren't we." 26 years since Chernobyl and still no superheroes..I'm disappointed | |||
" Tbh I have no idea what the difference is between them, or what British nuc reacs are made of. Don't really care either as there isn't a viable alternative. I think you are right, Wishy - so far there has not been a suitable clean alternative." We are lucky in this country that it takes a age to get one. There will come a time when the tech catches up and gets rid of the waste instead of just trying to contain it. | |||
" Tbh I have no idea what the difference is between them, or what British nuc reacs are made of. Don't really care either as there isn't a viable alternative. I think you are right, Wishy - so far there has not been a suitable clean alternative." Well, that's not entirely true. They could up the amount of sea-based wind turbines to about 40,000, put them in the North Sea, and the first gust of wind will do two things: 1) provide the UK with enough power to boil a kettle, and 2) blow Europe 2000 miles further south. | |||
" Tbh I have no idea what the difference is between them, or what British nuc reacs are made of. Don't really care either as there isn't a viable alternative. I think you are right, Wishy - so far there has not been a suitable clean alternative. Well, that's not entirely true. They could up the amount of sea-based wind turbines to about 40,000, put them in the North Sea, and the first gust of wind will do two things: 1) provide the UK with enough power to boil a kettle, and 2) blow Europe 2000 miles further south. "I thought that we were some time away from this becoming a possible reality? | |||
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"Chernobyl did go in meltdown, its core is still going today as no one knows how to stop/pick it up (dont know the full science terms) its affected over 5 million people, kids born with cancer etc due to it, not far from there. It affected the Uk as an area can not be used to graze. Fukushima is 10xs bigger than Chernobyl so if you think it won't affect us. How can anyone call nuclear safe, if something goes wrong, that area can not be used for 100s of yrs so expensive wise, it prob costs more, plus it only takes one mistake, natural diaster or even terrorist as they become targets. Wave, wind, solar, maybe more expensive to setup but its unlimited,and is safe, common sense. Technology has changed so much over the years but stuff has to go through a lot of testing before it can be used. Another reason the governments refuse to use more green energy is because it becomes cheaper for us, if we spend less, they get less money. They don't care if something is bad for us, if they make money from it, they will keep it for as long as possible, look at smoking as an example. Pretty much all countries do it. USA, Nevada desert, if you were to use the latest technology solar panels which can absorb more energy, uses mirrors as well, solar farm of couple square miles in one day can generate enough power for the whole USA for the year. We are surrounded by the sea, so plenty of wave, wind." Safe as opposed to what? OK nuclear power, badly handled can devastate large ares, but so does open cast coal mining every time. Coal mining, as is oil and gas mining can also be incredibly dangerous, many more people are killed every day by the production of coal, gas and oil that have every been killed by all of the nuclear disasters which have ever happened (not to mention the huge numbers of people killed on the roads using oil products). Renewable energy it not really going to be able to provide all of the energy we need now, let alone in the future (though I am certainly an advocate of large investment to raise the share of production in wind and tidal wave power plants). Do not, however, go thinking that there is no environmental impact of these energy sources. A really good tidal surge power plant location would be the Severn Estuary, with one of the highest tidal floods in the world, but there would be innumerable habitats destroyed and glass eels (or elvers) would be wiped out. Another point to consider is the fact that nuclear power produces a fraction of the CO2 emissions that fossil fuel power production does and is more productive (there are less plants to energy out put than coal or natural gas power plants). A friend of the family worked for British Nuclear Fuels and went to Chernobyl shortly after the explosion and fire (it was not a melt down, though there was the risk of that) and took a gieger counter with him. He attracted more Rads on the flight there than at the plant. The area around Chernobyl is now a thriving wildlife park. The risk of disaster with nuclear power is incredibly low, all in all, but our perception of that risk is out of all proportion. As a final aside, although Germany will not be producing nuclear power any more it will be buying it in from France and Poland, so they will still be using it. | |||
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"snip I would love to be able to build a sustainable home that runs on 'green' power, but until the day the tech is there, I just hope the nuclear power sations are brought online soon! "  Yup everything he said! Nuclear is the only way we know at the momement.
Solar will hopefully be used one day, but we don't know how yet. when we do I will convert my home to run on it... but at the moment I would have no choice but to have all the lights on all day long and use candles at night! Batteries may be the answer, but the polution problem of the spent ones far exceed the storage issues of nuclear waste! | |||
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" Well, that's not entirely true. They could up the amount of sea-based wind turbines to about 40,000, put them in the North Sea, and the first gust of wind will do two things: 1) provide the UK with enough power to boil a kettle, and 2) blow Europe 2000 miles further south. "That's got me giggling like a loony | |||
"Solar energy is there, yes it would cost a lot to put panels on every roof that isnt blocked by sunlight. The newer tech solar panels can absorb a lot more. What would help is education, little things help, i charge my phone by a small solar charger. Where i live we got several huge stacked car parks, even at 3am all the lights are on, the place is closed from 7pm and not reopened till 6am. I'm sure plenty of places do the same, its not needed. We as a country waste far too much esp at night. Don't know where everyone gets there info but I have watched a few programs, read about stuff, the technology for green energy is there. Hell i even see a guy use water to power his home, free energy exists but obviously no government in the world would want us to know as they loose far too much." Well mine comes from working in the industries you have mentioned. Always found first hand knowledge to be the best weapon in a discussion  | |||
