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By *urtyGent OP Man
over a year ago
eastleigh |
You guys seem, on the whole, to have this unbelievable sense of pride in where you’re from. I’ve heard Scousers say that they’re “Scouse first, then British”. I don’t get it. Not that they are horrible places, I’ve been to both and had great weekends there. But there’s almost an unfailing faith that they are the greatest places to be from. Why is that? Is it that there’s a long line of family from there? Is it taught in the schools? It’s genuinely a foreign concept to me. I have not sense of pride in my hometown at all. I couldn’t wait move away. |
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I'm originally from south London but I'm well and truly in love with Liverpool. I can't even describe it but it's like a shared ethos and sense of unity. Probably brought on by being constantly shat on by Westminster but continuing to make the city great regardless. I've never felt more at home anywhere else. I love the city and the people. |
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By *urtyGent OP Man
over a year ago
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"I think people from major cities have a stronger sense of identity than those from smaller towns.
For example, I describe myself as being from London rather than British"
Yeah, I’m from Southampton but the outskirts. Never lived in the “centre”. Londoners, at least in my experience and I’ve worked there for 15 years, don’t quite have the same levels of pride. Not that it’s a finite, quantifiable thing, merely an observation |
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By *urtyGent OP Man
over a year ago
eastleigh |
"I'm originally from south London but I'm well and truly in love with Liverpool. I can't even describe it but it's like a shared ethos and sense of unity. Probably brought on by being constantly shat on by Westminster but continuing to make the city great regardless. I've never felt more at home anywhere else. I love the city and the people."
It’s mad, I grew up with everyone around me telling me to hate Liverpool. I was born in the 80s and working class. Everyone hated scousers and Liverpool. The older I get the more I kinda envy the people there. The place is a real force of nature |
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over a year ago
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"I have no idea what I would mainly identify as. I don’t really think of myself as anything. A stray cat maybe?
I can think of a few things. Shall I start a list?"
Are any of them complimentary? |
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By *urtyGent OP Man
over a year ago
eastleigh |
"I have no idea what I would mainly identify as. I don’t really think of myself as anything. A stray cat maybe?
I can think of a few things. Shall I start a list?
Are any of them complimentary? "
No. Hang on. *checks list* No, no they aren’t |
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"I'm originally from south London but I'm well and truly in love with Liverpool. I can't even describe it but it's like a shared ethos and sense of unity. Probably brought on by being constantly shat on by Westminster but continuing to make the city great regardless. I've never felt more at home anywhere else. I love the city and the people.
It’s mad, I grew up with everyone around me telling me to hate Liverpool. I was born in the 80s and working class. Everyone hated scousers and Liverpool. The older I get the more I kinda envy the people there. The place is a real force of nature"
Exactly. And that's the kind of thing that has led the people to band together. We're only convinced to hate scousers because they're anti-establishment lefties so the right wing media hates them. From my experience they're some of the nicest people you'll ever meet though. I've never been lost in Liverpool without someone stopping to ask if I'm okay within minutes of looking around a little lost. I've been on many trains that broke out into song. The latest been when all the trains back to Liverpool just before Christmas from Manchester direction got cancelled. We were all waiting around for hours and when one finally run it was packed. The scousers just started singing Christmas songs  . |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I (mr) was born down south but now live up north and get called cockney all the time despite not being from London
Geordies will call anyone south of Leeds a cockney!"
Apparently anything south of Redcar is cockney |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have no idea what I would mainly identify as. I don’t really think of myself as anything. A stray cat maybe?
I can think of a few things. Shall I start a list?
Are any of them complimentary?
No. Hang on. *checks list* No, no they aren’t "
Understandable
It’s good to stay grounded I guess |
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By *urtyGent OP Man
over a year ago
eastleigh |
"I'm originally from south London but I'm well and truly in love with Liverpool. I can't even describe it but it's like a shared ethos and sense of unity. Probably brought on by being constantly shat on by Westminster but continuing to make the city great regardless. I've never felt more at home anywhere else. I love the city and the people.
It’s mad, I grew up with everyone around me telling me to hate Liverpool. I was born in the 80s and working class. Everyone hated scousers and Liverpool. The older I get the more I kinda envy the people there. The place is a real force of nature
Exactly. And that's the kind of thing that has led the people to band together. We're only convinced to hate scousers because they're anti-establishment lefties so the right wing media hates them. From my experience they're some of the nicest people you'll ever meet though. I've never been lost in Liverpool without someone stopping to ask if I'm okay within minutes of looking around a little lost. I've been on many trains that broke out into song. The latest been when all the trains back to Liverpool just before Christmas from Manchester direction got cancelled. We were all waiting around for hours and when one finally run it was packed. The scousers just started singing Christmas songs . "
You’re absolutely spot on with them being anti establishment. I just don’t think you’d get a city down south breaking into song after being delayed! |
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I think experiencing what it was like to be from Liverpool during the 70’s and 80’s, gave us a sense of us against the establishment. The government of the day took an antagonistic stance towards the City, their policies had severe detrimental effects on the City and through various events we were vilified as bin dippers and scum. That tends to develop a sense of unity in adversity.
I am proud of what Liverpool has become and is becoming as a City. The transformation since my childhood is tremendous and you’re right, despite not having lived in Liverpool, since I went to Uni, I still feel proud to be a Scouser. |
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By *urtyGent OP Man
over a year ago
eastleigh |
"I (mr) was born down south but now live up north and get called cockney all the time despite not being from London
Geordies will call anyone south of Leeds a cockney!
Apparently anything south of Redcar is cockney"
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Well I was born and raised in the Black Country (just outside birmingham) and everyone I know from the area hates and I mean hates being called a brummie. We are known as yam yams. I’m just glad I moved down to the south west. And I never look back. Better place to raise my kids |
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By *urtyGent OP Man
over a year ago
eastleigh |
"I think experiencing what it was like to be from Liverpool during the 70’s and 80’s, gave us a sense of us against the establishment. The government of the day took an antagonistic stance towards the City, their policies had severe detrimental effects on the City and through various events we were vilified as bin dippers and scum. That tends to develop a sense of unity in adversity.
I am proud of what Liverpool has become and is becoming as a City. The transformation since my childhood is tremendous and you’re right, despite not having lived in Liverpool, since I went to Uni, I still feel proud to be a Scouser."
The intricacies of the “bin dippers” is an interesting one. Obviously it wasn’t every single one of the fans that followed Liverpool away that was a thief but the confirmation bias that still exists will tell you that ANYONE that was going to football at that time will tell you how bad it was.
The older I’ve got and the more Scousers I’ve met it seems to me like it’s a great place |
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By *urtyGent OP Man
over a year ago
eastleigh |
"Well I was born and raised in the Black Country (just outside birmingham) and everyone I know from the area hates and I mean hates being called a brummie. We are known as yam yams. I’m just glad I moved down to the south west. And I never look back. Better place to raise my kids "
It’s mad how, despite living in the same country, there is such a massive disparity in the pride of where you’re from. I was like you and couldn’t wait to get away, although life dragged me back and I met the mother of my kids |
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I was moved around a lot as a kid, so didn't really develop a massive affinity with one place. I'm loyal to my homeland (Wales); adore Liverpool and the Wirral (dad's stomping ground) and love Manchester (my longest stay in any particular area).
However, I'm also totally at home in Spain and feel like an honorary Spaniard and am at ease in my Great-Grandfather's homeland of the Netherlands (he settled in Liverpool).
I'm a weirdo, eh?! |
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"Well I was born and raised in the Black Country (just outside birmingham) and everyone I know from the area hates and I mean hates being called a brummie. We are known as yam yams. I’m just glad I moved down to the south west. And I never look back. Better place to raise my kids
It’s mad how, despite living in the same country, there is such a massive disparity in the pride of where you’re from. I was like you and couldn’t wait to get away, although life dragged me back and I met the mother of my kids"
As all my family and friends still live up there I would never move back. I class Torquay as my home. I have all I want and need down here with my beautiful wife and kids. I visit at most once a year and can’t wait to get back home |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"I think experiencing what it was like to be from Liverpool during the 70’s and 80’s, gave us a sense of us against the establishment. The government of the day took an antagonistic stance towards the City, their policies had severe detrimental effects on the City and through various events we were vilified as bin dippers and scum. That tends to develop a sense of unity in adversity.
I am proud of what Liverpool has become and is becoming as a City. The transformation since my childhood is tremendous and you’re right, despite not having lived in Liverpool, since I went to Uni, I still feel proud to be a Scouser.
The intricacies of the “bin dippers” is an interesting one. Obviously it wasn’t every single one of the fans that followed Liverpool away that was a thief but the confirmation bias that still exists will tell you that ANYONE that was going to football at that time will tell you how bad it was.
The older I’ve got and the more Scousers I’ve met it seems to me like it’s a great place"
Oh there are plenty of those that fit in to all of the stereotypes of being a scouser. As amazing and as proud I am of being a scouser, there is just as much to me ashamed of. Which is just another great thing about scousers, we are not blind to the downfalls of what we have here.
We embrace the good and accept but condemn the parts that bring shame to the city. We don't try to hide the scum while only trying to push the good in to the limelight. |
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By *urtyGent OP Man
over a year ago
eastleigh |
"I too don't feel a sense of pride or have any attachment to where I was born. Could be my parents were immigrants so I don't have a history here. Can't stand the accent. "
Similar to me, parents were immigrants although I’ve no issue with the accent where I’m from |
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By *urtyGent OP Man
over a year ago
eastleigh |
"I was moved around a lot as a kid, so didn't really develop a massive affinity with one place. I'm loyal to my homeland (Wales); adore Liverpool and the Wirral (dad's stomping ground) and love Manchester (my longest stay in any particular area).
However, I'm also totally at home in Spain and feel like an honorary Spaniard and am at ease in my Great-Grandfather's homeland of the Netherlands (he settled in Liverpool).
I'm a weirdo, eh?! "
Not at all!! I admire you’re willingness to accept all these places into your heart. It’s something I’ve struggled with my whole life |
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By *urtyGent OP Man
over a year ago
eastleigh |
"I think experiencing what it was like to be from Liverpool during the 70’s and 80’s, gave us a sense of us against the establishment. The government of the day took an antagonistic stance towards the City, their policies had severe detrimental effects on the City and through various events we were vilified as bin dippers and scum. That tends to develop a sense of unity in adversity.
I am proud of what Liverpool has become and is becoming as a City. The transformation since my childhood is tremendous and you’re right, despite not having lived in Liverpool, since I went to Uni, I still feel proud to be a Scouser.
The intricacies of the “bin dippers” is an interesting one. Obviously it wasn’t every single one of the fans that followed Liverpool away that was a thief but the confirmation bias that still exists will tell you that ANYONE that was going to football at that time will tell you how bad it was.
The older I’ve got and the more Scousers I’ve met it seems to me like it’s a great place
Oh there are plenty of those that fit in to all of the stereotypes of being a scouser. As amazing and as proud I am of being a scouser, there is just as much to me ashamed of. Which is just another great thing about scousers, we are not blind to the downfalls of what we have here.
We embrace the good and accept but condemn the parts that bring shame to the city. We don't try to hide the scum while only trying to push the good in to the limelight. "
Is promoting the city something that you yourself do consciously? Has the sense of pride been ingrained in you? |
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"I think experiencing what it was like to be from Liverpool during the 70’s and 80’s, gave us a sense of us against the establishment. The government of the day took an antagonistic stance towards the City, their policies had severe detrimental effects on the City and through various events we were vilified as bin dippers and scum. That tends to develop a sense of unity in adversity.
I am proud of what Liverpool has become and is becoming as a City. The transformation since my childhood is tremendous and you’re right, despite not having lived in Liverpool, since I went to Uni, I still feel proud to be a Scouser.
The intricacies of the “bin dippers” is an interesting one. Obviously it wasn’t every single one of the fans that followed Liverpool away that was a thief but the confirmation bias that still exists will tell you that ANYONE that was going to football at that time will tell you how bad it was.
The older I’ve got and the more Scousers I’ve met it seems to me like it’s a great place
Oh there are plenty of those that fit in to all of the stereotypes of being a scouser. As amazing and as proud I am of being a scouser, there is just as much to me ashamed of. Which is just another great thing about scousers, we are not blind to the downfalls of what we have here.
We embrace the good and accept but condemn the parts that bring shame to the city. We don't try to hide the scum while only trying to push the good in to the limelight. "
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By *urtyGent OP Man
over a year ago
eastleigh |
"Well I was born and raised in the Black Country (just outside birmingham) and everyone I know from the area hates and I mean hates being called a brummie. We are known as yam yams. I’m just glad I moved down to the south west. And I never look back. Better place to raise my kids
It’s mad how, despite living in the same country, there is such a massive disparity in the pride of where you’re from. I was like you and couldn’t wait to get away, although life dragged me back and I met the mother of my kids
As all my family and friends still live up there I would never move back. I class Torquay as my home. I have all I want and need down here with my beautiful wife and kids. I visit at most once a year and can’t wait to get back home "
Sounds like you’ve made a great home away from where you’re born |
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"I think experiencing what it was like to be from Liverpool during the 70’s and 80’s, gave us a sense of us against the establishment. The government of the day took an antagonistic stance towards the City, their policies had severe detrimental effects on the City and through various events we were vilified as bin dippers and scum. That tends to develop a sense of unity in adversity.
I am proud of what Liverpool has become and is becoming as a City. The transformation since my childhood is tremendous and you’re right, despite not having lived in Liverpool, since I went to Uni, I still feel proud to be a Scouser.
The intricacies of the “bin dippers” is an interesting one. Obviously it wasn’t every single one of the fans that followed Liverpool away that was a thief but the confirmation bias that still exists will tell you that ANYONE that was going to football at that time will tell you how bad it was.
The older I’ve got and the more Scousers I’ve met it seems to me like it’s a great place
Oh there are plenty of those that fit in to all of the stereotypes of being a scouser. As amazing and as proud I am of being a scouser, there is just as much to me ashamed of. Which is just another great thing about scousers, we are not blind to the downfalls of what we have here.
We embrace the good and accept but condemn the parts that bring shame to the city. We don't try to hide the scum while only trying to push the good in to the limelight.
Is promoting the city something that you yourself do consciously? Has the sense of pride been ingrained in you?"
I think it is ingrained in me. I often say my blood runs red and Liverpool runs through me like a stick of Blackpool rock. |
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"I was moved around a lot as a kid, so didn't really develop a massive affinity with one place. I'm loyal to my homeland (Wales); adore Liverpool and the Wirral (dad's stomping ground) and love Manchester (my longest stay in any particular area).
However, I'm also totally at home in Spain and feel like an honorary Spaniard and am at ease in my Great-Grandfather's homeland of the Netherlands (he settled in Liverpool).
I'm a weirdo, eh?!
Not at all!! I admire you’re willingness to accept all these places into your heart. It’s something I’ve struggled with my whole life"
It helps that I embrace and find it easy to learn languages. I speak fairly fluent Spanish and taught myself rudimentary Dutch so I could research family history. Knowing the histories (shared or otherwise) of the places that form my past and present help me to feel at home. I think! |
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"Well I was born and raised in the Black Country (just outside birmingham) and everyone I know from the area hates and I mean hates being called a brummie. We are known as yam yams. I’m just glad I moved down to the south west. And I never look back. Better place to raise my kids
It’s mad how, despite living in the same country, there is such a massive disparity in the pride of where you’re from. I was like you and couldn’t wait to get away, although life dragged me back and I met the mother of my kids
As all my family and friends still live up there I would never move back. I class Torquay as my home. I have all I want and need down here with my beautiful wife and kids. I visit at most once a year and can’t wait to get back home
Sounds like you’ve made a great home away from where you’re born "
I really have love it down south |
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By *urtyGent OP Man
over a year ago
eastleigh |
"I think experiencing what it was like to be from Liverpool during the 70’s and 80’s, gave us a sense of us against the establishment. The government of the day took an antagonistic stance towards the City, their policies had severe detrimental effects on the City and through various events we were vilified as bin dippers and scum. That tends to develop a sense of unity in adversity.
I am proud of what Liverpool has become and is becoming as a City. The transformation since my childhood is tremendous and you’re right, despite not having lived in Liverpool, since I went to Uni, I still feel proud to be a Scouser.
The intricacies of the “bin dippers” is an interesting one. Obviously it wasn’t every single one of the fans that followed Liverpool away that was a thief but the confirmation bias that still exists will tell you that ANYONE that was going to football at that time will tell you how bad it was.
The older I’ve got and the more Scousers I’ve met it seems to me like it’s a great place
Oh there are plenty of those that fit in to all of the stereotypes of being a scouser. As amazing and as proud I am of being a scouser, there is just as much to me ashamed of. Which is just another great thing about scousers, we are not blind to the downfalls of what we have here.
We embrace the good and accept but condemn the parts that bring shame to the city. We don't try to hide the scum while only trying to push the good in to the limelight.
Is promoting the city something that you yourself do consciously? Has the sense of pride been ingrained in you?
I think it is ingrained in me. I often say my blood runs red and Liverpool runs through me like a stick of Blackpool rock."
I just cannot get my head round it. I can only think it’s like supporting a football team. The support is unwavering and it illogically runs through you |
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"I was moved around a lot as a kid, so didn't really develop a massive affinity with one place. I'm loyal to my homeland (Wales); adore Liverpool and the Wirral (dad's stomping ground) and love Manchester (my longest stay in any particular area).
However, I'm also totally at home in Spain and feel like an honorary Spaniard and am at ease in my Great-Grandfather's homeland of the Netherlands (he settled in Liverpool).
I'm a weirdo, eh?!
Not at all!! I admire you’re willingness to accept all these places into your heart. It’s something I’ve struggled with my whole life
It helps that I embrace and find it easy to learn languages. I speak fairly fluent Spanish and taught myself rudimentary Dutch so I could research family history. Knowing the histories (shared or otherwise) of the places that form my past and present help me to feel at home. I think! "
Aww my nan is Dutch but has lived over here for over 75 years. I feel a connection to Holland too and their culture and attitudes. I've learnt some basics of the language too which I find in some parts hilarious. To me it's a language that makes a lot more logical sense than English. So many words have so many uses but the meaning is mostly derived from the context which I find to be very efficient haha. |
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By *urtyGent OP Man
over a year ago
eastleigh |
"I was moved around a lot as a kid, so didn't really develop a massive affinity with one place. I'm loyal to my homeland (Wales); adore Liverpool and the Wirral (dad's stomping ground) and love Manchester (my longest stay in any particular area).
However, I'm also totally at home in Spain and feel like an honorary Spaniard and am at ease in my Great-Grandfather's homeland of the Netherlands (he settled in Liverpool).
I'm a weirdo, eh?!
Not at all!! I admire you’re willingness to accept all these places into your heart. It’s something I’ve struggled with my whole life
It helps that I embrace and find it easy to learn languages. I speak fairly fluent Spanish and taught myself rudimentary Dutch so I could research family history. Knowing the histories (shared or otherwise) of the places that form my past and present help me to feel at home. I think! "
That’s amazing!!! That must help you feel a kinship with these places, but despite me knowing lots of the history of Southampton I’ve never had this overwhelming desire to shout from the rooftops that I love the place |
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"I was moved around a lot as a kid, so didn't really develop a massive affinity with one place. I'm loyal to my homeland (Wales); adore Liverpool and the Wirral (dad's stomping ground) and love Manchester (my longest stay in any particular area).
However, I'm also totally at home in Spain and feel like an honorary Spaniard and am at ease in my Great-Grandfather's homeland of the Netherlands (he settled in Liverpool).
I'm a weirdo, eh?!
Not at all!! I admire you’re willingness to accept all these places into your heart. It’s something I’ve struggled with my whole life
It helps that I embrace and find it easy to learn languages. I speak fairly fluent Spanish and taught myself rudimentary Dutch so I could research family history. Knowing the histories (shared or otherwise) of the places that form my past and present help me to feel at home. I think!
Aww my nan is Dutch but has lived over here for over 75 years. I feel a connection to Holland too and their culture and attitudes. I've learnt some basics of the language too which I find in some parts hilarious. To me it's a language that makes a lot more logical sense than English. So many words have so many uses but the meaning is mostly derived from the context which I find to be very efficient haha."
My family came to Liverpool a long, long time ago but came from a very specific ethnic group in the Netherlands. Let's just say there is no-one left in the Netherlands now.....
Sprekt je het Nederlands, Lacey? If you've learned German and speak English, then Dutch is easy as far as I'm concerned! |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"I think experiencing what it was like to be from Liverpool during the 70’s and 80’s, gave us a sense of us against the establishment. The government of the day took an antagonistic stance towards the City, their policies had severe detrimental effects on the City and through various events we were vilified as bin dippers and scum. That tends to develop a sense of unity in adversity.
I am proud of what Liverpool has become and is becoming as a City. The transformation since my childhood is tremendous and you’re right, despite not having lived in Liverpool, since I went to Uni, I still feel proud to be a Scouser.
The intricacies of the “bin dippers” is an interesting one. Obviously it wasn’t every single one of the fans that followed Liverpool away that was a thief but the confirmation bias that still exists will tell you that ANYONE that was going to football at that time will tell you how bad it was.
The older I’ve got and the more Scousers I’ve met it seems to me like it’s a great place
Oh there are plenty of those that fit in to all of the stereotypes of being a scouser. As amazing and as proud I am of being a scouser, there is just as much to me ashamed of. Which is just another great thing about scousers, we are not blind to the downfalls of what we have here.
We embrace the good and accept but condemn the parts that bring shame to the city. We don't try to hide the scum while only trying to push the good in to the limelight.
Is promoting the city something that you yourself do consciously? Has the sense of pride been ingrained in you?"
Not directly, im definitely not a "I'm not British, I'm scouse" mentality but that's also something I have other views on. I won't go around telling people they should come visit Liverpool, unless they asked.
The pride in the city is definitely a heritage and family thing that we get brought up with though. |
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"I think experiencing what it was like to be from Liverpool during the 70’s and 80’s, gave us a sense of us against the establishment. The government of the day took an antagonistic stance towards the City, their policies had severe detrimental effects on the City and through various events we were vilified as bin dippers and scum. That tends to develop a sense of unity in adversity.
I am proud of what Liverpool has become and is becoming as a City. The transformation since my childhood is tremendous and you’re right, despite not having lived in Liverpool, since I went to Uni, I still feel proud to be a Scouser.
The intricacies of the “bin dippers” is an interesting one. Obviously it wasn’t every single one of the fans that followed Liverpool away that was a thief but the confirmation bias that still exists will tell you that ANYONE that was going to football at that time will tell you how bad it was.
The older I’ve got and the more Scousers I’ve met it seems to me like it’s a great place
Oh there are plenty of those that fit in to all of the stereotypes of being a scouser. As amazing and as proud I am of being a scouser, there is just as much to me ashamed of. Which is just another great thing about scousers, we are not blind to the downfalls of what we have here.
We embrace the good and accept but condemn the parts that bring shame to the city. We don't try to hide the scum while only trying to push the good in to the limelight.
Is promoting the city something that you yourself do consciously? Has the sense of pride been ingrained in you?
I think it is ingrained in me. I often say my blood runs red and Liverpool runs through me like a stick of Blackpool rock.
I just cannot get my head round it. I can only think it’s like supporting a football team. The support is unwavering and it illogically runs through you"
Its beyond that, it's a sense of belonging and comradery that comes from the people, the community and then, the surroundings.
Its never I am scouse it's WE are scouse.. |
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"I was moved around a lot as a kid, so didn't really develop a massive affinity with one place. I'm loyal to my homeland (Wales); adore Liverpool and the Wirral (dad's stomping ground) and love Manchester (my longest stay in any particular area).
However, I'm also totally at home in Spain and feel like an honorary Spaniard and am at ease in my Great-Grandfather's homeland of the Netherlands (he settled in Liverpool).
I'm a weirdo, eh?!
Not at all!! I admire you’re willingness to accept all these places into your heart. It’s something I’ve struggled with my whole life
It helps that I embrace and find it easy to learn languages. I speak fairly fluent Spanish and taught myself rudimentary Dutch so I could research family history. Knowing the histories (shared or otherwise) of the places that form my past and present help me to feel at home. I think!
Aww my nan is Dutch but has lived over here for over 75 years. I feel a connection to Holland too and their culture and attitudes. I've learnt some basics of the language too which I find in some parts hilarious. To me it's a language that makes a lot more logical sense than English. So many words have so many uses but the meaning is mostly derived from the context which I find to be very efficient haha.
My family came to Liverpool a long, long time ago but came from a very specific ethnic group in the Netherlands. Let's just say there is no-one left in the Netherlands now.....
Sprekt je het Nederlands, Lacey? If you've learned German and speak English, then Dutch is easy as far as I'm concerned! "
Haha yes. I've never even learnt German but there are a lot of similarities with English. Just with more Vs . |
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By *urtyGent OP Man
over a year ago
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"I think experiencing what it was like to be from Liverpool during the 70’s and 80’s, gave us a sense of us against the establishment. The government of the day took an antagonistic stance towards the City, their policies had severe detrimental effects on the City and through various events we were vilified as bin dippers and scum. That tends to develop a sense of unity in adversity.
I am proud of what Liverpool has become and is becoming as a City. The transformation since my childhood is tremendous and you’re right, despite not having lived in Liverpool, since I went to Uni, I still feel proud to be a Scouser.
The intricacies of the “bin dippers” is an interesting one. Obviously it wasn’t every single one of the fans that followed Liverpool away that was a thief but the confirmation bias that still exists will tell you that ANYONE that was going to football at that time will tell you how bad it was.
The older I’ve got and the more Scousers I’ve met it seems to me like it’s a great place
Oh there are plenty of those that fit in to all of the stereotypes of being a scouser. As amazing and as proud I am of being a scouser, there is just as much to me ashamed of. Which is just another great thing about scousers, we are not blind to the downfalls of what we have here.
We embrace the good and accept but condemn the parts that bring shame to the city. We don't try to hide the scum while only trying to push the good in to the limelight.
Is promoting the city something that you yourself do consciously? Has the sense of pride been ingrained in you?
Not directly, im definitely not a "I'm not British, I'm scouse" mentality but that's also something I have other views on. I won't go around telling people they should come visit Liverpool, unless they asked.
The pride in the city is definitely a heritage and family thing that we get brought up with though. "
It’s really interesting. I guess having that family heritage running generations is going to have that effect. Add it with all the “us vs them” battles and it’s the perfect storm |
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By *urtyGent OP Man
over a year ago
eastleigh |
"I think experiencing what it was like to be from Liverpool during the 70’s and 80’s, gave us a sense of us against the establishment. The government of the day took an antagonistic stance towards the City, their policies had severe detrimental effects on the City and through various events we were vilified as bin dippers and scum. That tends to develop a sense of unity in adversity.
I am proud of what Liverpool has become and is becoming as a City. The transformation since my childhood is tremendous and you’re right, despite not having lived in Liverpool, since I went to Uni, I still feel proud to be a Scouser.
The intricacies of the “bin dippers” is an interesting one. Obviously it wasn’t every single one of the fans that followed Liverpool away that was a thief but the confirmation bias that still exists will tell you that ANYONE that was going to football at that time will tell you how bad it was.
The older I’ve got and the more Scousers I’ve met it seems to me like it’s a great place
Oh there are plenty of those that fit in to all of the stereotypes of being a scouser. As amazing and as proud I am of being a scouser, there is just as much to me ashamed of. Which is just another great thing about scousers, we are not blind to the downfalls of what we have here.
We embrace the good and accept but condemn the parts that bring shame to the city. We don't try to hide the scum while only trying to push the good in to the limelight.
Is promoting the city something that you yourself do consciously? Has the sense of pride been ingrained in you?
I think it is ingrained in me. I often say my blood runs red and Liverpool runs through me like a stick of Blackpool rock.
I just cannot get my head round it. I can only think it’s like supporting a football team. The support is unwavering and it illogically runs through you
Its beyond that, it's a sense of belonging and comradery that comes from the people, the community and then, the surroundings.
Its never I am scouse it's WE are scouse.. "
Do you find it weird that other places don’t have that same sense of pride? |
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"I'm from Hull but always refer to myself as English first and foremost.
Are you proud to be from Hull?"
I'm proud to be English, bit meh about Hull if I'm honest. |
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"I'm from Hull but always refer to myself as English first and foremost.
Are you proud to be from Hull?
I'm proud to be English, bit meh about Hull if I'm honest."
I know this is a question that boils lots of piss on the internet and is actually quite difficult to answer but what is it about being English, specifically, that makes you proud despite not being proud of the town that raised you. Feel free to tell me to fuck of being a nosey twat if you don’t wanna answer |
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There was a poll a few years back about what city should be recognised as England's second city. Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds etc all giving cases for them being the 2nd city. In Liverpool they all voted for London!!!
It's a different mentality, I don't think anywhere else in the country quite understands it. |
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"There was a poll a few years back about what city should be recognised as England's second city. Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds etc all giving cases for them being the 2nd city. In Liverpool they all voted for London!!!
It's a different mentality, I don't think anywhere else in the country quite understands it."
I certainly don’t. I’m trying to though |
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Aww my nan is Dutch but has lived over here for over 75 years. I feel a connection to Holland too and their culture and attitudes. I've learnt some basics of the language too which I find in some parts hilarious. To me it's a language that makes a lot more logical sense than English. So many words have so many uses but the meaning is mostly derived from the context which I find to be very efficient haha.
My family came to Liverpool a long, long time ago but came from a very specific ethnic group in the Netherlands. Let's just say there is no-one left in the Netherlands now.....
Sprekt je het Nederlands, Lacey? If you've learned German and speak English, then Dutch is easy as far as I'm concerned!
Haha yes. I've never even learnt German but there are a lot of similarities with English. Just with more Vs ."
I need to and want to learn more Dutch, but a lack of people to practice with! I think it has a reputation for being or sounding difficult but it really is very similar to English, as you say. |
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"I'm from Hull but always refer to myself as English first and foremost.
Are you proud to be from Hull?
I'm proud to be English, bit meh about Hull if I'm honest.
I know this is a question that boils lots of piss on the internet and is actually quite difficult to answer but what is it about being English, specifically, that makes you proud despite not being proud of the town that raised you. Feel free to tell me to fuck of being a nosey twat if you don’t wanna answer "
I feel part of the whole and not a regionist, if I'm honest and no you're not a nosey twat |
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By *urtyGent OP Man
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"I'm from Hull but always refer to myself as English first and foremost.
Are you proud to be from Hull?
I'm proud to be English, bit meh about Hull if I'm honest.
I know this is a question that boils lots of piss on the internet and is actually quite difficult to answer but what is it about being English, specifically, that makes you proud despite not being proud of the town that raised you. Feel free to tell me to fuck of being a nosey twat if you don’t wanna answer
I feel part of the whole and not a regionist, if I'm honest and no you're not a nosey twat"
Appreciate the answer. Gets people’s backs up that way question because they feel like you’re saying a dirty word if you refer to yourself as English. I’m just trying to understand it. It’s obviously nuanced and stuff but pride in a region or town is something I’ve never felt. Guess I’ve always felt like a small cog in a big gearbox too |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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i don't think it is just those two cities... i just think there is more regional pride up here.... be that yorkshire folks... or lancastrians... or cumbrians... or those from the north east and i absolutely get why someone would consider themselves to be a yorkshireman/woman (or a yorkie) first!!!
having come from the "peoples republic of suburban essex"... i love the fact that people up here have that pride! |
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By *urtyGent OP Man
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"i don't think it is just those two cities... i just think there is more regional pride up here.... be that yorkshire folks... or lancastrians... or cumbrians... or those from the north east and i absolutely get why someone would consider themselves to be a yorkshireman/woman (or a yorkie) first!!!
having come from the "peoples republic of suburban essex"... i love the fact that people up here have that pride!"
Yeah, I totally get what you’re saying. For me, anecdotally, these two cities and their residents are the two that stand above all others both in terms of numbers and passion when it comes to representing the city as a whole. It’s so far from how I feel about my home city |
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"There was a poll a few years back about what city should be recognised as England's second city. Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds etc all giving cases for them being the 2nd city. In Liverpool they all voted for London!!!
It's a different mentality, I don't think anywhere else in the country quite understands it."
Hahaha got to love em! |
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By *urtyGent OP Man
over a year ago
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"I'm Scottish first....then British
Is that something you’ve always felt?
Yes. Born in Scotland so by birth I'm Scottish "
The two are different to you? Like, you feel more apart of the Scottish clan than you do the British unit? Not looking to pry or boil piss, just trying to understand. Is there a long line of Scots that you decend from? |
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"I'm Scottish first....then British
Is that something you’ve always felt?
Yes. Born in Scotland so by birth I'm Scottish
The two are different to you? Like, you feel more apart of the Scottish clan than you do the British unit? Not looking to pry or boil piss, just trying to understand. Is there a long line of Scots that you decend from?"
There is a very long line that I descend from. But as I said previously, I was born in Scotland. If someone asked where you were born does anyone say Britain?? |
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