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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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They're allowed to turn away people displaying aggressive or racist behaviour. It's hardly an unreasonable rule. Want your arm setting? Stop being a cock to your nurses and doctors. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"They're allowed to turn away people displaying aggressive or racist behaviour. It's hardly an unreasonable rule. Want your arm setting? Stop being a cock to your nurses and doctors."
This ^^^ |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"They're allowed to turn away people displaying aggressive or racist behaviour. It's hardly an unreasonable rule. Want your arm setting? Stop being a cock to your nurses and doctors."
Now they can turn away people displaying anti LGBT behaviours...
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"They're allowed to turn away people displaying aggressive or racist behaviour. It's hardly an unreasonable rule. Want your arm setting? Stop being a cock to your nurses and doctors.
Now they can turn away people displaying anti LGBT behaviours...
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Err... Good? LGBTI staff and patients deserve dignity too. |
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My gf is a nurse and the shit they take for trying to help people is bloody appalling and they should no way have to put up with any shit off anyone d*unks drugs and just rude twats should not be seen simply. |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
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"Why not just treat all...
Meat eaters next "
I have absolutely no idea what field you are in - but whatever it is are you telling me that if someone came into your place of business being abusive that you would still serve them?
And what on earth makes you think they will refuse to treat meat eaters next? |
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"Why not just treat all...
Meat eaters next "
I think in practice they do treat most people even the aggressive and obnoxious ones but there has to come a point where their own safety has to come first.
Nine years ago I was in hospital, immobile as I'd had spinal surgery when an aggressive husband of one of the other patients came into the ward. He stayed all night, shouting, swearing and basically being horrible. I was scared because I was vulnerable and unable to defend myself but they let him stay. I really wish they'd kicked him out on his ear |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"So we now discriminate against those recieving treatment ?.
Including taxpayers.. ?
Yes. If you're abusive you don't get treatment. NHS staff deserve dignity and safety."
Let's discriminate against the most vulnerable.. not NHS for all.. Even if you pay in..
Really ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So we now discriminate against those recieving treatment ?.
Including taxpayers.. ?"
See the issue here is, those anti LGBT patients... well they're the ones discriminating. If the NHS are happy to protect their staff against shitty comments being thrown at them regarding WHO they are, their orientation and a whole host of other personal things that don't impact their ability to do their job, then fair fucking play and I think more employers should do the same and protect their staff or at least "have their back" when that kind of shit happens.
I get verbal abuse a fair amount where I work, my employers don't want to lose the money by kicking the pricks out, whereas I think if businesses, employers etc took action more often then people may actually think about their actions and the consequences of behaving like a twat
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
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"So we now discriminate against those recieving treatment ?.
Including taxpayers.. ?
Yes. If you're abusive you don't get treatment. NHS staff deserve dignity and safety.
Let's discriminate against the most vulnerable.. not NHS for all.. Even if you pay in..
Really ?"
As I said...what do you do if a customer comes into your place of work being abusive? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I've worked A&E Manchester weekend
Also worked A&E Fri n sat night in Blackpool.
It's mentally traumatising the crap you have to put up with.
No one should be abused. Sexual Mental physical or verbal.
Not just NHS staff.but Ambulance staff..fire..
And those pastors on the streets at night helping.
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No one deserves to verbally or physically abused because of who you are.
Nurses and doctors deal with so much of it on a daily basis. If you want treated like a human being when you need help, then bl**dy act like one to the person treating you ... basic manners and respect.
Personally if you did it to me, you’d get a short shift and out in your ear ! |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
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"Is the prosal that anyone displaying anti LGBT comments are left to die.. ?"
Nope, nobody has said that - those making the comments have a choice - ultimately they themselves decide whether they get treated or not |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Is the prosal that anyone displaying anti LGBT comments are left to die.. ?"
I would imagine they'd be told to leave. Fuck off for a bit, have a think about their behaviour and come back when they've learned some fucking manners, tolerance and respect
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
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"So you would let them die ?
Easy question
Yes or no ?
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No, the easy question is should they stop being abusive to get treatment yes or no?
Their choice - treatment or no treatment - it's crystal clear |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We all pay in..
We all deserve help..
So if they are abusive the NHS withdraw treatment..
Is that the proposition ?it's not mine..
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So paying taxes allows you to be abusive and threatening to public servants? Is that what you are saying |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"So you would let them die ?
Easy question
Yes or no ?
No, the easy question is should they stop being abusive to get treatment yes or no?
Their choice - treatment or no treatment - it's crystal clear"
Are they abusive because they are disoriented..
Who knows.. ? |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
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"We all pay in..
We all deserve help..
So if they are abusive the NHS withdraw treatment..
Is that the proposition ?it's not mine..
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As I've now asked three times....a customer being abusive comes into your place of business - do you serve them yes or no? |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
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"So you would let them die ?
Easy question
Yes or no ?
No, the easy question is should they stop being abusive to get treatment yes or no?
Their choice - treatment or no treatment - it's crystal clear
Are they abusive because they are disoriented..
Who knows.. ?"
I think NHS staff are more than qualified to be able to tell the difference  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So you would let them die ?
Easy question
Yes or no ?
No, the easy question is should they stop being abusive to get treatment yes or no?
Their choice - treatment or no treatment - it's crystal clear
Are they abusive because they are disoriented..
Who knows.. ?"
The medical staff will know. Probably better qualified to make that call than you or I in a hypothetical forum discussion |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We all pay in..
We all deserve help..
So if they are abusive the NHS withdraw treatment..
Is that the proposition ?it's not mine..
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Depends if they're abusive due to mental health and aren't in control in which case need treatment within the mental health department who are trained in this shiz, or whether they're abusive because they're an abusive disrespectful cunt.
Those in the latter category make a decision to behave that way, if they know the consequences then they're making their own choice.
Would Bupa refuse to treat someone who pays a premium if they broke the rules for Bupa membership? I bet they would.
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Why are you being like this Tom? I've spoken to you enough to know that you know the difference between hatred and abuse and someone that "eats meat", or are you just deliberately being controversial |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They're allowed to turn away people displaying aggressive or racist behaviour. It's hardly an unreasonable rule. Want your arm setting? Stop being a cock to your nurses and doctors.
Now they can turn away people displaying anti LGBT behaviours...
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Well yes obviously, as it would be classed as abusive behaviour. And in their shoes would I shite like to treat someone who was being an abusive, persecuting little gonad whilst I did so, so more power to their arm I say.
All the twats need to do is stop acting like twats. Whether they get treated or not is entirely up to them.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why are you being like this Tom? I've spoken to you enough to know that you know the difference between hatred and abuse and someone that "eats meat", or are you just deliberately being controversial "
My guess is the latter |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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How about being selective about who you are being a Cunt towards.... Emergency services don't deserve to put up with shit. End of.... lets move on to a worthier topic and let this one die..... much like my fellow meat eaters Tom is worried about. Lol |
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'Deliberate or malicious disruption of the forum
If you deliberately or maliciously try to interrupt everyone else's enjoyment of the forums, for example by trying to fill up the forum with your own content (just one example), it's not fair and we'll take action.'
How many threads turn from 'debate' to soapbox shouting before the line is crossed though? |
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"Why are you being like this Tom? I've spoken to you enough to know that you know the difference between hatred and abuse and someone that "eats meat", or are you just deliberately being controversial
My guess is the latter"
Sadly I think you are right  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"NHS is for everyy but GM discriminates..
I don't"
Tim I have personal experiences of the exact situation you are referring to. No one is left to die.
The vast vast majority of these scenarios are due to self induced intoxication.
On the whole if someone is well enough to be able to be abusive and obnoxious they are unlikely to be at immediate risk.
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
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"GM..
Do you advocate selective treatment..
Yes or no.. ?"
I advocate fair treatment for all - and that includes the rights of staff to work in a non-abusive environment, and other patients to not feel threatened and in a position to receive *their* treatment in a non-abusive atmosphere.
If that means refusing to treat someone who is deliberately and maliciously being abusive and threatening - then yes absolutely I agree with refusing to treat them until they cease to do so.
I ask you again - if someone came into your place of business being abusive and threatening - would you serve them? |
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"NHS is for everyy but GM discriminates..
I don't"
I agree that if someone is being aggressive and abusive and it's not to do with a injury ( ie head injury etc that can make you aggressive) that someone be refused treatment.
But we all know that this wouldnt lead to people dying as if someone was presenting with injuries that were life threatening then they would be treated.
OP have you ever sat in a a&e department on a Friday or Saturday night???? If so you will have no doubt seen or heard the sort of behaviour this is meant to protect the nhs staff. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"GM..
Do you advocate selective treatment..
Yes or no.. ?
I advocate fair treatment for all - and that includes the rights of staff to work in a non-abusive environment, and other patients to not feel threatened and in a position to receive *their* treatment in a non-abusive atmosphere.
If that means refusing to treat someone who is deliberately and maliciously being abusive and threatening - then yes absolutely I agree with refusing to treat them until they cease to do so.
I ask you again - if someone came into your place of business being abusive and threatening - would you serve them?"
Yes I would serve them..
Even bullies like you |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Apparently NHS will no longer have to treat people who display certain behaviours ..
Meat eaters will be the next to be excluded ..
Mark my words "
I'm trying to work out if the OP is a troll or trying to be a comedian  |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Apparently NHS will no longer have to treat people who display certain behaviours ..
Meat eaters will be the next to be excluded ..
Mark my words
I'm trying to work out if the OP is a troll or trying to be a comedian "
I am trying to be fair..  |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
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"GM..
Do you advocate selective treatment..
Yes or no.. ?
I advocate fair treatment for all - and that includes the rights of staff to work in a non-abusive environment, and other patients to not feel threatened and in a position to receive *their* treatment in a non-abusive atmosphere.
If that means refusing to treat someone who is deliberately and maliciously being abusive and threatening - then yes absolutely I agree with refusing to treat them until they cease to do so.
I ask you again - if someone came into your place of business being abusive and threatening - would you serve them?
Yes I would serve them..
Even bullies like you "
I somehow find that very hard to believe.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Apparently NHS will no longer have to treat people who display certain behaviours ..
Meat eaters will be the next to be excluded ..
Mark my words
I'm trying to work out if the OP is a troll or trying to be a comedian
I am trying to be fair.. "
OP have you read my reply? It may reassure you |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"GM..
Do you advocate selective treatment..
Yes or no.. ?
I advocate fair treatment for all - and that includes the rights of staff to work in a non-abusive environment, and other patients to not feel threatened and in a position to receive *their* treatment in a non-abusive atmosphere.
If that means refusing to treat someone who is deliberately and maliciously being abusive and threatening - then yes absolutely I agree with refusing to treat them until they cease to do so.
I ask you again - if someone came into your place of business being abusive and threatening - would you serve them?
Yes I would serve them..
Even bullies like you
I somehow find that very hard to believe.
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Failed bully actually..
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"NHS is for everyy but GM discriminates..
I don't"
So you would quite happily treat and therefore keep in the hospital some numbskull who was generally being obnoxious, threatening their fellow patients for skin colour, perceived sexual preferences or whatever and putting them in fear so much that they may leave without the treatment they needed, due to your perceived not caring about their predicament and cheerily cracking on with a pleasant "We're here for all" smile?
Or how about if some militant nutjob with a bomb vest on strolled in causing pandemonium? Rather than taking steps to notify the authorities to remove them if possible you would merrily intone "So where does it hurt...?"
As you Sir need an examination yourself if so. One between the lugs.
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"Is the prosal that anyone displaying anti LGBT comments are left to die.. ?"
The requirement isn’t for them to change their views, just for them to treat others decently. It’s about personal responsibility - act like a decent human being, get medical care. Or act like a cunt and be left to make other arrangements. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"NHS is for everyy but GM discriminates..
I don't
So you would quite happily treat and therefore keep in the hospital some numbskull who was generally being obnoxious, threatening their fellow patients for skin colour, perceived sexual preferences or whatever and putting them in fear so much that they may leave without the treatment they needed, due to your perceived not caring about their predicament and cheerily cracking on with a pleasant "We're here for all" smile?
Or how about if some militant nutjob with a bomb vest on strolled in causing pandemonium? Rather than taking steps to notify the authorities to remove them if possible you would merrily intone "So where does it hurt...?"
As you Sir need an examination yourself if so. One between the lugs.
B
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Yes unconditional |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"Is the prosal that anyone displaying anti LGBT comments are left to die.. ?
The requirement isn’t for them to change their views, just for them to treat others decently. It’s about personal responsibility - act like a decent human being, get medical care. Or act like a cunt and be left to make other arrangements. "
In other words.. leave them.in the gutter ? |
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The lady doth protest too much me thinks
I'm pretty certain the only people who would have a problem with nurses and doctors refusing to treat people spouting racists or homophobic views at them, are people who share those same views themselves.
Also why are you weirdly obsessed with people eating meat or not |
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By (user no longer on site)
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There are laws against hate crime... NHS upholds that law through it's intolerance of such behaviours via treatment refusal
Yep you pay tax, however that does not give anyone an automatic right to anything.
Treatment is given at Hospitals discretion I believe and you judt cannot go around being abusive
NHS staff as do all other emergency services have the right to do their jobs without abuse or obstruction and rightly so.
Tax also pays for Schools, would you abuse the teacher teaching your kid?
The fire service/bin man/police??
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OP you are being very one sided in your opinion.
Many times people have stated why they wouldn’t treat someone who’s been abusive to them
I very much doubt if you had a business you would serve someone who came into your place and started being aggressive and threatening to you
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is the prosal that anyone displaying anti LGBT comments are left to die.. ?
The requirement isn’t for them to change their views, just for them to treat others decently. It’s about personal responsibility - act like a decent human being, get medical care. Or act like a cunt and be left to make other arrangements.
In other words.. leave them.in the gutter ?"
OP... have you direct experience of this? I have |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"There are laws against hate crime... NHS upholds that law through it's intolerance of such behaviours via treatment refusal
Yep you pay tax, however that does not give anyone an automatic right to anything.
Treatment is given at Hospitals discretion I believe and you judt cannot go around being abusive
NHS staff as do all other emergency services have the right to do their jobs without abuse or obstruction and rightly so.
Tax also pays for Schools, would you abuse the teacher teaching your kid?
The fire service/bin man/police??
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Leave them to die then ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"NHS is for everyy but GM discriminates..
I don't
So you would quite happily treat and therefore keep in the hospital some numbskull who was generally being obnoxious, threatening their fellow patients for skin colour, perceived sexual preferences or whatever and putting them in fear so much that they may leave without the treatment they needed, due to your perceived not caring about their predicament and cheerily cracking on with a pleasant "We're here for all" smile?
Or how about if some militant nutjob with a bomb vest on strolled in causing pandemonium? Rather than taking steps to notify the authorities to remove them if possible you would merrily intone "So where does it hurt...?"
As you Sir need an examination yourself if so. One between the lugs.
B
Yes unconditional "
Hmmmm...Right everyone let's have a straw poll shall we?
Those who wish to be treated at an NHS facility staffed by medical practitioners with brains larger than a gnat please? My that's quite a few of you.... Ah, good!
Now then, those who would rather be treated at a facility where it's complete and utter anarchy and pandemonium and you worry permanently for your own safety, staffed by one permamently grinning lunatic raise your hands please? Now come on, don't be shy....
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I ask you again - if someone came into your place of business being abusive and threatening - would you serve them?
Yes I would serve them..
Even bullies like you "
When we’re you bullied? You try to get a reaction and when someone asks you a question you call them a bully. This is comedy genius  |
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"Is the prosal that anyone displaying anti LGBT comments are left to die.. ?
The requirement isn’t for them to change their views, just for them to treat others decently. It’s about personal responsibility - act like a decent human being, get medical care. Or act like a cunt and be left to make other arrangements.
In other words.. leave them.in the gutter ?"
As I said very clearly, they are responsible for how the situation develops. |
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"Does anyone seriously advocate that we let people die if they are abusive, disorientated, mental health issues.. etc etc "
You are not reading peoples responses, this has been answered and the circumstances numerous times. No one is left to die, stop being dramatic ! |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Does anyone seriously advocate that we let people die if they are abusive, disorientated, mental health issues.. etc etc
You are not trading peoples responses, this has been answered and the circumstances. No one is left to die, stop being dramatic ! "
But if they are naughty ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There are laws against hate crime... NHS upholds that law through it's intolerance of such behaviours via treatment refusal
Yep you pay tax, however that does not give anyone an automatic right to anything.
Treatment is given at Hospitals discretion I believe and you judt cannot go around being abusive
NHS staff as do all other emergency services have the right to do their jobs without abuse or obstruction and rightly so.
Tax also pays for Schools, would you abuse the teacher teaching your kid?
The fire service/bin man/police??
Leave them to die then ?"
If they are gobbing off to that extend then they aint popping off anytime soon are they |
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"Does anyone seriously advocate that we let people die if they are abusive, disorientated, mental health issues.. etc etc
You are not trading peoples responses, this has been answered and the circumstances. No one is left to die, stop being dramatic !
But if they are naughty ?"
Naughty !
Seriously how many times do people need to say the same thing to you ?!?
The staff know the difference when they are being abused because of a MH or injury and someone just being a righteous rascist/sexist pig .... they make the call and take the necessary steps.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"NHS is for everyy but GM discriminates..
I don't
Tom I have personal experiences of the exact situation you are referring to. No one is left to die.
The vast vast majority of these scenarios are due to self induced intoxication.
On the whole if someone is well enough to be able to be abusive and obnoxious they are unlikely to be at immediate risk.
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Tom read the above. Digest. I am happy to answer any questions you may have x |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"Perhaps we discriminate on political views also..
Treatment for labour over Tories..
Just an idea "
Prioritise those voting to save the NHS over those voting to destroy it...hmmm...you’ve said something sensible!  |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Does anyone seriously advocate that we let people die if they are abusive, disorientated, mental health issues.. etc etc
You are not trading peoples responses, this has been answered and the circumstances. No one is left to die, stop being dramatic !
But if they are naughty ?
Naughty !
Seriously how many times do people need to say the same thing to you ?!?
The staff know the difference when they are being abused because of a MH or injury and someone just being a righteous rascist/sexist pig .... they make the call and take the necessary steps.
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So would you let a racist die? |
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"Does anyone seriously advocate that we let people die if they are abusive, disorientated, mental health issues.. etc etc
You are not trading peoples responses, this has been answered and the circumstances. No one is left to die, stop being dramatic !
But if they are naughty ?
Naughty !
Seriously how many times do people need to say the same thing to you ?!?
The staff know the difference when they are being abused because of a MH or injury and someone just being a righteous rascist/sexist pig .... they make the call and take the necessary steps.
So would you let a racist die?"
Are you reading anything ?!? |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Not everyone who is abusive in A&E is at deaths door ffs Tom.
As is proven by the fucking long time they hang around, being abusive."
That's not my question..
Would anyone on this thread withdraw to let a racist or homophobe die.. ?
Yes or no.. ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So would anyone on this thread let a racist die ?
Simple question "
I’m sure the staff get asked if they wanna treat terroists,murders etc. I’m probably wrong thou |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"So would anyone on this thread let a racist die ?
Simple question
I’m sure the staff get asked if they wanna treat terroists,murders etc. I’m probably wrong thou "
They have human rights too..
What is the first duty of a firearms officer to a person shot.. first aid regardless.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Does anyone seriously advocate that we let people die if they are abusive, disorientated, mental health issues.. etc etc
You are not trading peoples responses, this has been answered and the circumstances. No one is left to die, stop being dramatic !
But if they are naughty ?
Naughty !
Seriously how many times do people need to say the same thing to you ?!?
The staff know the difference when they are being abused because of a MH or injury and someone just being a righteous rascist/sexist pig .... they make the call and take the necessary steps.
So would you let a racist die?"
No one in the NHS would. To be fair loss of consciousness would be likely to precede death. At that point they stop being abusive. Treatment starts. Simple.
Treatment is not withheld due to beliefs. Its would be due to behaviour |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"As a nurse we do put up with the most horrendous behaviour but EVERYONE is treated equally. Even if we don’t want to
Treat them first and have them arrested shortly after ... job done "
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over a year ago
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"As a nurse we do put up with the most horrendous behaviour but EVERYONE is treated equally. Even if we don’t want to
Treat them first and have them arrested shortly after ... job done "
Once their behaviour was acceptable |
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If someone came in to A&E and was abusive and violent and it was my decision to make I would have absolutely no qualms about ejecting them in order to safeguard the staff and members of public. The use of the NHS is a privilege not a right, abuse the privilege and loose it. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"So you would let them die ?
Easy question
Yes or no ?
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Yes I bloody well would if they were abusive to me, I'm not going to treat someone who is being disrespectful towards me, let the fuckers fix themselves. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"So you would let them die ?
Easy question
Yes or no ?
Yes I bloody well would if they were abusive to me, I'm not going to treat someone who is being disrespectful towards me, let the fuckers fix themselves."
In other words .. let them fuckers die ? |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"So you would let them die ?
Easy question
Yes or no ?
Yes I bloody well would if they were abusive to me, I'm not going to treat someone who is being disrespectful towards me, let the fuckers fix themselves.
In other words .. let them fuckers die ?"
Yeah if they cannot behave in a civilised manner towards someone that is trying to help them. Respect goes both ways. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So you would let them die ?
Easy question
Yes or no ?
Yes I bloody well would if they were abusive to me, I'm not going to treat someone who is being disrespectful towards me, let the fuckers fix themselves."
What about if they were giving your ass a good spanking best over the hospital bed. Would that be abuse   |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"So you would let them die ?
Easy question
Yes or no ?
Yes I bloody well would if they were abusive to me, I'm not going to treat someone who is being disrespectful towards me, let the fuckers fix themselves.
What about if they were giving your ass a good spanking best over the hospital bed. Would that be abuse "
Well that's different  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yeah as someone who works in the NHS we can only turn away those who display aggressive behaviour. Call the police and let them deal with it. Thankfully its few and far between but it does happen from time to time |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So you would let them die ?
Easy question
Yes or no ?
Yes I bloody well would if they were abusive to me, I'm not going to treat someone who is being disrespectful towards me, let the fuckers fix themselves.
In other words .. let them fuckers die ?"
I'm not a fan of the NHS, but I accept that the staff on the ground are wonderful, caring people in general. I'm sure, due to the nature of what they do, they give a lot of leeway to an abusive patient. I worked with some IDF medics for a while, and their policy was - if a patient was potentially abusive or violent, they would wait until the patient lapsed into unconsciousness, then cuff them and treat them. They stayed fairly safe. I would imagine this would be considered quite harsh in the UK, but things change. |
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Think OP is trying to get abrise out of everyone again amd doesnt quite get the grasp of no one in any profession deserves to be mistreated especially those who dedicate the live to helping other.
Huge respect to those who work in the nhs especially the a&e department. |
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"So you would let them die ?
Easy question
Yes or no ?
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You could argue that anyone being abusive to those offering help is,in effect refusing that help. Thereby leaving themselves to die.Should we be sympathetic? |
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If that individual has capacity, is aware of their behaviour and the consequence of their behaviour, then yes they should face the consequence which is a direct result of their behaviour and is breaking the law. Abuse is never ok. I have seen staff seriously assaulted for just doing their job.
Do you think it is acceptable to assault NHS staff OP? |
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Its common place for people who have been abusive at a hospital to not be allowed back, therefore sent to the next nearest. This has been common practice for years.
OP, they are not left to die, but are inconvienienced by consequences of their actions |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They're allowed to turn away people displaying aggressive or racist behaviour. It's hardly an unreasonable rule. Want your arm setting? Stop being a cock to your nurses and doctors."
especially as they've travelled so far to be here........... big up for the NHS |
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Let's get some context on this as it seems the OP has deliberately mis quoted the news story....only non-critical patients will be refused so no one is going to be left to die!
https://news.sky.com/story/nhs-staff-can-refuse-to-treat-racist-or-sexist-patients-under-new-rules-11937175
But hey....why would Tom allow facts and reason into one of his threads, huh? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There is a place for abusive/aggressive people to get treatment under Tackling Violence Scheme. Doctors refer them there if their behaviour crossed the line in their practice. I work in one, seen it happen many times. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Apparently NHS will no longer have to treat people who display certain behaviours ..
Meat eaters will be the next to be excluded ..
Mark my words "
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"So you would let them die ?
Easy question
Yes or no ?
That would not happen.
We all know that "
Exactly this. Nobody deserves abuse in their workplace. If someone is being abusive o doubt they are at risk of dying |
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Compassion has limits. At a certain point, being compassionate to someone abusive means doing harm to the abused.
Want treatment? Shut your mouth and keep your nasty views to yourself. You can spew them again when you're better. |
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"Let's get some context on this as it seems the OP has deliberately mis quoted the news story....only non-critical patients will be refused so no one is going to be left to die!
https://news.sky.com/story/nhs-staff-can-refuse-to-treat-racist-or-sexist-patients-under-new-rules-11937175
But hey....why would Tom allow facts and reason into one of his threads, huh?"
Thank you for the link |
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"Apparently NHS will no longer have to treat people who display certain behaviours ..
Meat eaters will be the next to be excluded ..
Mark my words
I'm trying to work out if the OP is a troll or trying to be a comedian "
He's a troll....you can tell by the hobbit feet |
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If people are violent and its not medically related then they should not treat them. Simple.
Play silly games win silly prizes.
I doubt your alarmist statement about meat eaters will ever be relevant. |
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL |
"So we now discriminate against those recieving treatment ?.
Including taxpayers.. ?
Yes. If you're abusive you don't get treatment. NHS staff deserve dignity and safety.
Let's discriminate against the most vulnerable.. not NHS for all.. Even if you pay in..
Really ?"
Yes really. It's not discrimination, it's keeping themselves safe, whether or not the patients are paying in is irrelevant. Treat the medical staff with respect, get treatment. Abuse them, be disrespectful then you don't. Perfectly simple scenarios there. That kind of behavior would not be tolerated in a shop, bar, go surgery etc, so why do you find it acceptable in a hospital setting? Seems to me you like dropping grenade comments just to stir things up. Green arrow. |
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"So we now discriminate against those recieving treatment ?.
Including taxpayers.. ?
Yes. If you're abusive you don't get treatment. NHS staff deserve dignity and safety.
Let's discriminate against the most vulnerable.. not NHS for all.. Even if you pay in..
Really ?
Yes really. It's not discrimination, it's keeping themselves safe, whether or not the patients are paying in is irrelevant. Treat the medical staff with respect, get treatment. Abuse them, be disrespectful then you don't. Perfectly simple scenarios there. That kind of behavior would not be tolerated in a shop, bar, go surgery etc, so why do you find it acceptable in a hospital setting? Seems to me you like dropping grenade comments just to stir things up. Green arrow. "
Spot on
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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago
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The more we tolerate bad behaviour and aggression the more we feed it. Zero tolerance is what it should be, there is no excuse. Standards of behaviour seem to be taking a nose dive into the abyss these days. |
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"They're allowed to turn away people displaying aggressive or racist behaviour. It's hardly an unreasonable rule. Want your arm setting? Stop being a cock to your nurses and doctors.
Now they can turn away people displaying anti LGBT behaviours...
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If people are behaving in a way that is hateful towards minorities and others, it's offensive and potentially illegal. Why should anyone have to work in an environment that is abusive and likely threatening to people!
People have choices about how they socially interact with others. The UK has a long history of showing respect for others, albeit we have made many mistakes.
If your life depends on being respectful to others, it's reasonable to assume that you would do that.
Who wants to show bigotry and hatred?  |
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"So let them die ?
Yes, and 'decrease the surplus population'.
Who said that? Before me?"
Michael Caine. And not a lot of people know that.
right, so only 20something messages needed before this trolls thread gets closed. We're getting there... |
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"So let them die ?
Yes, and 'decrease the surplus population'.
Who said that? Before me?
Michael Caine. And not a lot of people know that.
right, so only 20something messages needed before this trolls thread gets closed. We're getting there..."
Oh, what a film! *Makes note to watch it tonight* |
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By *isaB45Woman
over a year ago
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The NHS Constitution actively supports patients, visitors and staff from the LGBT community.
The NHS has strategies for managing agressive patients and visotors, and works according to the 1974 Health and Safety at Work etc Act.
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL |
"The more we tolerate bad behaviour and aggression the more we feed it. Zero tolerance is what it should be, there is no excuse. Standards of behaviour seem to be taking a nose dive into the abyss these days. "
Totally agree with you on this point. |
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