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"Define feminist, please?"
Why? If it’s something you’re interested in you’ll be aware of the definitions and schools of thought. If it’s not something you know much about, it’s easily googleable. |
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"I have the philosophy of don’t be a c*nt and be nice.
I consider that incorporates a lot of ideals to be honest. "
I am more in the 'don't be a dick' philosophy and as such, am horrendously insulted by the way you live your life and we should go to war.
Meet me at 3pm on the field of battle. I would duel with you, sir. |
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I (Luke) prefer descriptions to labels because labels can be misunderstood.
I believe very strongly in equal rights for women. I want to see more women across all areas of the work force. I want to see more women as politicians. I would stand shoulder-to-shoulder with any woman objecting to opportunities denied to her purely for being a woman. I don't know if that makes me a feminist but it seems to be in that ball park. |
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"I (Luke) prefer descriptions to labels because labels can be misunderstood.
I believe very strongly in equal rights for women. I want to see more women across all areas of the work force. I want to see more women as politicians. I would stand shoulder-to-shoulder with any woman objecting to opportunities denied to her purely for being a woman. I don't know if that makes me a feminist but it seems to be in that ball park. "
Not sure about quotas..
It should be the best man for the job surely....  |
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I'm a feminist, (not after a shag) women have had a raw deal over the years and still do. Maybe things are being done to right the many wrongs that exist but some of them are just so patronising it's not true but then with the insecurity of men it's hardly surprising; sometimes it's easier to openly promote the woman over the man in the name of equal rights than to have the woman get the job on merit. |
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I don’t think I would class myself as a feminist. I do believe that everyone should have equal opportunities, not be treated differently or discriminated against for their sex, race, religion etc. I am very conscious of the inherent bias and gender privilege that men get.
However I don’t mind being a “Fab” Feminist if it helps the OP out ... cause, like, birds should be treated equal and all that!  |
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"I (Luke) prefer descriptions to labels because labels can be misunderstood.
I believe very strongly in equal rights for women. I want to see more women across all areas of the work force. I want to see more women as politicians. I would stand shoulder-to-shoulder with any woman objecting to opportunities denied to her purely for being a woman. I don't know if that makes me a feminist but it seems to be in that ball park. "
Sounds like feminism to me. Now, about that fuck...! X |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
There and to the left a bit |
I make no claim to be any kind of "ist" I'm just me plain and simple and have my own beliefs and moral code I live by and look for people who match that rather than trying to match myself to any kind of wants or desires - I find it generally works out better that way "I am who I am, take me or leave me based on that" |
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"I'm a feminist, (not after a shag) women have had a raw deal over the years and still do. Maybe things are being done to right the many wrongs that exist but some of them are just so patronising it's not true but then with the insecurity of men it's hardly surprising; sometimes it's easier to openly promote the woman over the man in the name of equal rights than to have the woman get the job on merit. "
I hate the current TERF rhetoric. My own feminism is inclusive of trans women. |
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By *VineMan
over a year ago
The right place |
I like to think of myself as a feminist. I have a son and a daughter and I would hate for them to have different opportunities based on gender alone.
And I do fancy a fuck with the OP! |
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"I make no claim to be any kind of "ist" I'm just me plain and simple and have my own beliefs and moral code I live by and look for people who match that rather than trying to match myself to any kind of wants or desires - I find it generally works out better that way "I am who I am, take me or leave me based on that""
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"I'm a feminist,
I have no problem with a woman fixing my car,
I'd just prefer it to be done right"
I have no problem with women in any job. I was on an aeroplane the other day and just before take off the loudspeaker went off and it was a female pilot. I had no issue whatsoever. The man in the next seat did however. He grabbed my arm in panic and said bloody hell, there is a woman flying the plane. I told him to relax and that women were as good as men at flying planes. I could not understand his panic, after all, it's not as if she had to reverse the bloomin thing... |
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"I'm a feminist, (not after a shag) women have had a raw deal over the years and still do. Maybe things are being done to right the many wrongs that exist but some of them are just so patronising it's not true but then with the insecurity of men it's hardly surprising; sometimes it's easier to openly promote the woman over the man in the name of equal rights than to have the woman get the job on merit.
I hate the current TERF rhetoric. My own feminism is inclusive of trans women. "
I can see both sides of that debate but no side will win that debate so best for me not to poke that wasps nest ...
All are equal in my eyes but some want to be more equal than others... |
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"I have a penchant for feminist men. If you’re out there, please say hi.
(I’m hoping for a little more than “Don’t worry love, I’m a feminist. I think birds should be equal and all that”)  "
It’s quite a niche kink, I must say.
Now pop your knickers on and make a cup of tea. |
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"I'm a feminist, (not after a shag) women have had a raw deal over the years and still do. Maybe things are being done to right the many wrongs that exist but some of them are just so patronising it's not true but then with the insecurity of men it's hardly surprising; sometimes it's easier to openly promote the woman over the man in the name of equal rights than to have the woman get the job on merit.
I hate the current TERF rhetoric. My own feminism is inclusive of trans women.
I can see both sides of that debate but no side will win that debate so best for me not to poke that wasps nest ...
All are equal in my eyes but some want to be more equal than others..."
For someone claiming not to want to “poke the wasps’ nest” you sure are trying to provoke a reaction. |
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"I like to think of myself as a feminist. I have a son and a daughter and I would hate for them to have different opportunities based on gender alone.
And I do fancy a fuck with the OP! "
I seem to recall we were in discussion about such matters. |
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"I'm a feminist, (not after a shag) women have had a raw deal over the years and still do. Maybe things are being done to right the many wrongs that exist but some of them are just so patronising it's not true but then with the insecurity of men it's hardly surprising; sometimes it's easier to openly promote the woman over the man in the name of equal rights than to have the woman get the job on merit.
I hate the current TERF rhetoric. My own feminism is inclusive of trans women.
I can see both sides of that debate but no side will win that debate so best for me not to poke that wasps nest ...
All are equal in my eyes but some want to be more equal than others...
For someone claiming not to want to “poke the wasps’ nest” you sure are trying to provoke a reaction. "
Or a debate even... |
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"I'm a feminist, (not after a shag) women have had a raw deal over the years and still do. Maybe things are being done to right the many wrongs that exist but some of them are just so patronising it's not true but then with the insecurity of men it's hardly surprising; sometimes it's easier to openly promote the woman over the man in the name of equal rights than to have the woman get the job on merit.
I hate the current TERF rhetoric. My own feminism is inclusive of trans women.
I can see both sides of that debate but no side will win that debate so best for me not to poke that wasps nest ...
All are equal in my eyes but some want to be more equal than others...
For someone claiming not to want to “poke the wasps’ nest” you sure are trying to provoke a reaction.
Or a debate even... "
If you’d like a debate, please feel free to start a thread of your own, state a position, and invite debate. I’m using this thread to find feminist men to fuck rather than debate the merits of feminism, the meaning of feminism or anything else. |
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"I'm a feminist, (not after a shag) women have had a raw deal over the years and still do. Maybe things are being done to right the many wrongs that exist but some of them are just so patronising it's not true but then with the insecurity of men it's hardly surprising; sometimes it's easier to openly promote the woman over the man in the name of equal rights than to have the woman get the job on merit.
I hate the current TERF rhetoric. My own feminism is inclusive of trans women.
I can see both sides of that debate but no side will win that debate so best for me not to poke that wasps nest ...
All are equal in my eyes but some want to be more equal than others...
For someone claiming not to want to “poke the wasps’ nest” you sure are trying to provoke a reaction.
Or a debate even...
If you’d like a debate, please feel free to start a thread of your own, state a position, and invite debate. I’m using this thread to find feminist men to fuck rather than debate the merits of feminism, the meaning of feminism or anything else. "
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"Define feminist, please?
Why? If it’s something you’re interested in you’ll be aware of the definitions and schools of thought. If it’s not something you know much about, it’s easily googleable. "
I'm asking for your definition of it. A discussion requires a common frame of reference; if everyone has their own definition and no one knows anyone else's, the term is meaningless. |
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"Define feminist, please?
Why? If it’s something you’re interested in you’ll be aware of the definitions and schools of thought. If it’s not something you know much about, it’s easily googleable.
I'm asking for your definition of it. A discussion requires a common frame of reference; if everyone has their own definition and no one knows anyone else's, the term is meaningless."
There are commonly used definitions widely available. The Fawcett Society has useful information as does Women’s Aid, R*pe Crisis, the Government Equalities Office, the Nia Project, the Lilith Project, the Savage Love podcast etc. |
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"Define feminist, please?
Why? If it’s something you’re interested in you’ll be aware of the definitions and schools of thought. If it’s not something you know much about, it’s easily googleable.
I'm asking for your definition of it. A discussion requires a common frame of reference; if everyone has their own definition and no one knows anyone else's, the term is meaningless.
There are commonly used definitions widely available. The Fawcett Society has useful information as does Women’s Aid, R*pe Crisis, the Government Equalities Office, the Nia Project, the Lilith Project, the Savage Love podcast etc. "
I was recently introduced to the concept of kyriarchy... a development on feminist theory. It focuses on inequalities in power balances based on wider definitions than gender. It's an interesting concept. |
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"I have a penchant for feminist men. If you’re out there, please say hi.
(I’m hoping for a little more than “Don’t worry love, I’m a feminist. I think birds should be equal and all that”) "
We often joke that The Boy is more of a feminist than Kitty! |
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"Define feminist, please?
Why? If it’s something you’re interested in you’ll be aware of the definitions and schools of thought. If it’s not something you know much about, it’s easily googleable.
I'm asking for your definition of it. A discussion requires a common frame of reference; if everyone has their own definition and no one knows anyone else's, the term is meaningless.
There are commonly used definitions widely available. The Fawcett Society has useful information as does Women’s Aid, R*pe Crisis, the Government Equalities Office, the Nia Project, the Lilith Project, the Savage Love podcast etc.
I was recently introduced to the concept of kyriarchy... a development on feminist theory. It focuses on inequalities in power balances based on wider definitions than gender. It's an interesting concept."
My feminism will be intersectional or it will be bullshit. |
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By *mberWoman
over a year ago
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OP I agree.
Feminist men are hot.
I told one such feminist man that last night and now I've arranged a social with him.
I think a lot of people don't understand what feminism is, they think it's a dislike of men. I really really like men.  |
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"I have the philosophy of don’t be a c*nt and be nice.
I consider that incorporates a lot of ideals to be honest.
I am more in the 'don't be a dick' philosophy and as such, am horrendously insulted by the way you live your life and we should go to war.
Meet me at 3pm on the field of battle. I would duel with you, sir."
How many fedora hats do you own? |
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No, joking apart, I am a feminist. I’ve a life-long record of submission to the women in my life! It’s simply not true to say behind this great man there’s an incredible woman - because I always prefer them on top! And that’s just how they like it too! |
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"I have a penchant for feminist men. If you’re out there, please say hi.
(I’m hoping for a little more than “Don’t worry love, I’m a feminist. I think birds should be equal and all that”) "
I consider ladies / ts / TV gender fluid or / humans as equals
I'm not really sure what a feminist is as it seems to have a variety of subjective definitions
But no sorry I dont fancy a fuck xxx  |
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"I'm a feminist, (not after a shag) women have had a raw deal over the years and still do. Maybe things are being done to right the many wrongs that exist but some of them are just so patronising it's not true but then with the insecurity of men it's hardly surprising; sometimes it's easier to openly promote the woman over the man in the name of equal rights than to have the woman get the job on merit.
I hate the current TERF rhetoric. My own feminism is inclusive of trans women. "
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"Define feminist, please?
Why? If it’s something you’re interested in you’ll be aware of the definitions and schools of thought. If it’s not something you know much about, it’s easily googleable.
I'm asking for your definition of it. A discussion requires a common frame of reference; if everyone has their own definition and no one knows anyone else's, the term is meaningless.
There are commonly used definitions widely available. The Fawcett Society has useful information as does Women’s Aid, R*pe Crisis, the Government Equalities Office, the Nia Project, the Lilith Project, the Savage Love podcast etc.
I was recently introduced to the concept of kyriarchy... a development on feminist theory. It focuses on inequalities in power balances based on wider definitions than gender. It's an interesting concept.
My feminism will be intersectional or it will be bullshit."
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"I heard a definition of feminism the other day and it said.
Women who want to be able to do anything with absolutely no responsibility for it."
That would be an innacurate definition. I prefer 'Feminism is the radical notion that women are people.' |
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By *mberWoman
over a year ago
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"I heard a definition of feminism the other day and it said.
Women who want to be able to do anything with absolutely no responsibility for it."
What a bizarre definition. Clearly written by someone who has no idea what they're talking about! |
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"Having worked some arduous roles alongside ladies I have no issues accepting women as equals. But don't ask me not to appreciate femininity."
I'm a feminist and I perform femininity all the time. It's a choice I get to make because of feminism. |
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"Having worked some arduous roles alongside ladies I have no issues accepting women as equals. But don't ask me not to appreciate femininity.
I'm a feminist and I perform femininity all the time. It's a choice I get to make because of feminism."
As a simple bloke I sometimes won't express my appreciation of femininity for fear of causing offence. It's not
always straightforward.. |
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"Having worked some arduous roles alongside ladies I have no issues accepting women as equals. But don't ask me not to appreciate femininity.
I'm a feminist and I perform femininity all the time. It's a choice I get to make because of feminism.
As a simple bloke I sometimes won't express my appreciation of femininity for fear of causing offence. It's not
always straightforward.."
No, but there are sometimes reasons why people are offensive and it's worth personal reflection to avoid that in future. |
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"I feel safer and more uninhibited with a man who fucking gets it."
Gets what though? To be honest I’m a woman and I find all this a bit confusing! What would make you safer and uninhibited? |
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"I feel safer and more uninhibited with a man who fucking gets it.
Gets what though? To be honest I’m a woman and I find all this a bit confusing! What would make you safer and uninhibited? "
It's of course shorthand.
The issues I go through as a woman, how to make me feel safe, why there might be issues and how he might minimise those for me and for others.
Not all women feel as I do, and that's their prerogative, but it's important to me. |
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I’m a reforming chauvinist. My upbringing and conditioning ensured my mind was acculturated with a set of assumptions that I have spent most of my adult life trying to unpick. I believe in equity for everyone and I try to be aware of how my attitudes and behaviour may reinforce inequity. I am learning. To say I am a feminist would be hypocritical though. |
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"I feel safer and more uninhibited with a man who fucking gets it.
Gets what though? To be honest I’m a woman and I find all this a bit confusing! What would make you safer and uninhibited?
It's of course shorthand.
The issues I go through as a woman, how to make me feel safe, why there might be issues and how he might minimise those for me and for others.
Not all women feel as I do, and that's their prerogative, but it's important to me."
I know. I’m not knocking it, just trying to understand what you mean. Does a man have to be a feminist to make you feel safe? What sort of issues (just an example not personal ones) could he minimise by being a feminist? x |
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"I feel safer and more uninhibited with a man who fucking gets it.
Gets what though? To be honest I’m a woman and I find all this a bit confusing! What would make you safer and uninhibited?
It's of course shorthand.
The issues I go through as a woman, how to make me feel safe, why there might be issues and how he might minimise those for me and for others.
Not all women feel as I do, and that's their prerogative, but it's important to me.
I know. I’m not knocking it, just trying to understand what you mean. Does a man have to be a feminist to make you feel safe? What sort of issues (just an example not personal ones) could he minimise by being a feminist? x "
Either a feminist in word or deed (and I have my own idiosyncratic definition of course, and have to make snap judgements).
Really understanding consent and power dynamics, among other things. I've avoided most of these issues fortunately, but feminist views usually correlate to making sure that everyone isn't pressured into doing what they don't want to do.
I need to be respected as a person, as they would expect or demand to be. Not respected as they think a woman ought to be. |
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"I feel safer and more uninhibited with a man who fucking gets it.
Gets what though? To be honest I’m a woman and I find all this a bit confusing! What would make you safer and uninhibited?
It's of course shorthand.
The issues I go through as a woman, how to make me feel safe, why there might be issues and how he might minimise those for me and for others.
Not all women feel as I do, and that's their prerogative, but it's important to me.
I know. I’m not knocking it, just trying to understand what you mean. Does a man have to be a feminist to make you feel safe? What sort of issues (just an example not personal ones) could he minimise by being a feminist? x
Either a feminist in word or deed (and I have my own idiosyncratic definition of course, and have to make snap judgements).
Really understanding consent and power dynamics, among other things. I've avoided most of these issues fortunately, but feminist views usually correlate to making sure that everyone isn't pressured into doing what they don't want to do.
I need to be respected as a person, as they would expect or demand to be. Not respected as they think a woman ought to be."
Ok I understand what you’re saying. I don’t particularly agree though. I don’t think a man needs to label himself as a feminist to be all those things. |
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The sooner equality can just be equality and we can drop labels to say how inclusive we are the better.
Saying that you can call me a fucking banjo if it involves a shag |
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"I have a penchant for feminist men. If you’re out there, please say hi.
(I’m hoping for a little more than “Don’t worry love, I’m a feminist. I think birds should be equal and all that”) "
‘Birds’ ???? |
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"I feel safer and more uninhibited with a man who fucking gets it.
Gets what though? To be honest I’m a woman and I find all this a bit confusing! What would make you safer and uninhibited?
It's of course shorthand.
The issues I go through as a woman, how to make me feel safe, why there might be issues and how he might minimise those for me and for others.
Not all women feel as I do, and that's their prerogative, but it's important to me.
I know. I’m not knocking it, just trying to understand what you mean. Does a man have to be a feminist to make you feel safe? What sort of issues (just an example not personal ones) could he minimise by being a feminist? x
Either a feminist in word or deed (and I have my own idiosyncratic definition of course, and have to make snap judgements).
Really understanding consent and power dynamics, among other things. I've avoided most of these issues fortunately, but feminist views usually correlate to making sure that everyone isn't pressured into doing what they don't want to do.
I need to be respected as a person, as they would expect or demand to be. Not respected as they think a woman ought to be.
Ok I understand what you’re saying. I don’t particularly agree though. I don’t think a man needs to label himself as a feminist to be all those things. "
I don't think a man needs to call himself a feminist, but it's more like... Do I judge them to be a feminist?
I have no idea why feminism has become toxic, and I don't want to get into it, but for me, particularly in this context, it's about a base level of respect and empathy for my experience.
So I want to meet people who respect and empathise with me. |
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"I have a penchant for feminist men. If you’re out there, please say hi.
(I’m hoping for a little more than “Don’t worry love, I’m a feminist. I think birds should be equal and all that”)
‘Birds’ ????"
Are you questioning this thinking this is serious or do you not see that it’s a joke? Genuinely interested. |
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"I feel safer and more uninhibited with a man who fucking gets it.
Gets what though? To be honest I’m a woman and I find all this a bit confusing! What would make you safer and uninhibited?
It's of course shorthand.
The issues I go through as a woman, how to make me feel safe, why there might be issues and how he might minimise those for me and for others.
Not all women feel as I do, and that's their prerogative, but it's important to me.
I know. I’m not knocking it, just trying to understand what you mean. Does a man have to be a feminist to make you feel safe? What sort of issues (just an example not personal ones) could he minimise by being a feminist? x
Either a feminist in word or deed (and I have my own idiosyncratic definition of course, and have to make snap judgements).
Really understanding consent and power dynamics, among other things. I've avoided most of these issues fortunately, but feminist views usually correlate to making sure that everyone isn't pressured into doing what they don't want to do.
I need to be respected as a person, as they would expect or demand to be. Not respected as they think a woman ought to be.
Ok I understand what you’re saying. I don’t particularly agree though. I don’t think a man needs to label himself as a feminist to be all those things.
I don't think a man needs to call himself a feminist, but it's more like... Do I judge them to be a feminist?
I have no idea why feminism has become toxic, and I don't want to get into it, but for me, particularly in this context, it's about a base level of respect and empathy for my experience.
So I want to meet people who respect and empathise with me. "
It’s fine. I’m genuinely just interested in the way people think. We’re friends, you know I’m not knocking you in the slightest. It just intrigues me x |
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Oh definitely. I mean for me, those who identify as feminist and can articulate it to the front of the queue, but fundamentally it is about respecting all people, and, at a personal level, taking care of my safety. (Which of course I also do myself but at times it's a joint effort) |
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"Oh definitely. I mean for me, those who identify as feminist and can articulate it to the front of the queue, but fundamentally it is about respecting all people, and, at a personal level, taking care of my safety. (Which of course I also do myself but at times it's a joint effort)"
Oh yes of course. Respect is paramount. If a man opened the door for you, pulled out a chair in a restaurant, offered to take your coat, carry something heavy, would that offend you? x |
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I'm impartial, however i do believe that the white hetrosexual male is a dying breed in supervisory and managerial positions, replaced by women in order for the company to tick the box .....5.....4.....3.....2.....1 |
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"Oh definitely. I mean for me, those who identify as feminist and can articulate it to the front of the queue, but fundamentally it is about respecting all people, and, at a personal level, taking care of my safety. (Which of course I also do myself but at times it's a joint effort)
Oh yes of course. Respect is paramount. If a man opened the door for you, pulled out a chair in a restaurant, offered to take your coat, carry something heavy, would that offend you? x "
Not necessarily although it'd depend on how it was done (sometimes there is a dismissive air to it). I do tend to ask my male friends not to, because I dislike it (and often I can carry heavier stuff than them anyway  ). But offended probably not, make a fuss definitely not. Just a quiet word if it's someone I see enough that it makes it worth it asking them to stop.
I open doors for men, and their responses are often fascinating. I'm a human offering courtesy to a human. |
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I'm not a man but I'd consider myself a feminist. I believe in protecting and ensuring the rights of women and ending the sex based oppression of women, to put it in a nutshell. |
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"I have a penchant for feminist men. If you’re out there, please say hi.
(I’m hoping for a little more than “Don’t worry love, I’m a feminist. I think birds should be equal and all that”)
‘Birds’ ????
Are you questioning this thinking this is serious or do you not see that it’s a joke? Genuinely interested. "
I’m not seeing it as a joke but I’m not keen on my gender being described as ‘birds’ but the forums are for open debate and opinions..... |
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Personally, I believe that prescribed gender roles harm both men and women, and that both gender and sexuality should be as the individual wishes to express them. While historically women have borne the overwhelming brunt of that and are still at a disadvantage, men suffer too, and my feminism is also for them.
To the extent that it's possible, and I'm always fallible and learning, my feminism is also intersectional. I recognise that privilege (or lack thereof) comes from many different angles, including but not limited to race, gender, sexuality, gender assigned at birth, class, socio-economic status, education, disability, etc. So everyone has different levels of power and are viewed in different discriminatory ways depending on how this all comes together.
In a nutshell, I suppose I want everyone to be treated with a baseline of respect and dignity, not held back by immutable characteristics. |
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"I have a penchant for feminist men. If you’re out there, please say hi.
(I’m hoping for a little more than “Don’t worry love, I’m a feminist. I think birds should be equal and all that”)
‘Birds’ ????
Are you questioning this thinking this is serious or do you not see that it’s a joke? Genuinely interested.
I’m not seeing it as a joke but I’m not keen on my gender being described as ‘birds’ but the forums are for open debate and opinions....."
Yes I know but surely you can see that comment is tongue in cheek given the nature of the thread no? I don’t know who wrote it as can’t be bothered to scroll back. It is quite clearly a joke. Is it only me who can see that?! |
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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago
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"I have a penchant for feminist men. If you’re out there, please say hi.
(I’m hoping for a little more than “Don’t worry love, I’m a feminist. I think birds should be equal and all that”)
‘Birds’ ????
Are you questioning this thinking this is serious or do you not see that it’s a joke? Genuinely interested.
I’m not seeing it as a joke but I’m not keen on my gender being described as ‘birds’ but the forums are for open debate and opinions.....
Yes I know but surely you can see that comment is tongue in cheek given the nature of the thread no? I don’t know who wrote it as can’t be bothered to scroll back. It is quite clearly a joke. Is it only me who can see that?!"
It was actually the op who said it. And yes it's clearly a joke in the context it's used |
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"I have a penchant for feminist men. If you’re out there, please say hi.
(I’m hoping for a little more than “Don’t worry love, I’m a feminist. I think birds should be equal and all that”)
‘Birds’ ????
Are you questioning this thinking this is serious or do you not see that it’s a joke? Genuinely interested.
I’m not seeing it as a joke but I’m not keen on my gender being described as ‘birds’ but the forums are for open debate and opinions.....
Yes I know but surely you can see that comment is tongue in cheek given the nature of the thread no? I don’t know who wrote it as can’t be bothered to scroll back. It is quite clearly a joke. Is it only me who can see that?!"
The OP wrote it, and I saw it as mocking the attitude you see from some, including in this very thread. |
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"Personally, I believe that prescribed gender roles harm both men and women, and that both gender and sexuality should be as the individual wishes to express them. While historically women have borne the overwhelming brunt of that and are still at a disadvantage, men suffer too, and my feminism is also for them.
To the extent that it's possible, and I'm always fallible and learning, my feminism is also intersectional. I recognise that privilege (or lack thereof) comes from many different angles, including but not limited to race, gender, sexuality, gender assigned at birth, class, socio-economic status, education, disability, etc. So everyone has different levels of power and are viewed in different discriminatory ways depending on how this all comes together.
In a nutshell, I suppose I want everyone to be treated with a baseline of respect and dignity, not held back by immutable characteristics. "
Shit.
Men, women, and non binary people. Damn it Swing |
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"I have a penchant for feminist men. If you’re out there, please say hi.
(I’m hoping for a little more than “Don’t worry love, I’m a feminist. I think birds should be equal and all that”)
‘Birds’ ????
Are you questioning this thinking this is serious or do you not see that it’s a joke? Genuinely interested.
I’m not seeing it as a joke but I’m not keen on my gender being described as ‘birds’ but the forums are for open debate and opinions.....
Yes I know but surely you can see that comment is tongue in cheek given the nature of the thread no? I don’t know who wrote it as can’t be bothered to scroll back. It is quite clearly a joke. Is it only me who can see that?!
The OP wrote it, and I saw it as mocking the attitude you see from some, including in this very thread."
Fair enough. I saw it as a joke. |
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"Personally, I believe that prescribed gender roles harm both men and women, and that both gender and sexuality should be as the individual wishes to express them. While historically women have borne the overwhelming brunt of that and are still at a disadvantage, men suffer too, and my feminism is also for them.
To the extent that it's possible, and I'm always fallible and learning, my feminism is also intersectional. I recognise that privilege (or lack thereof) comes from many different angles, including but not limited to race, gender, sexuality, gender assigned at birth, class, socio-economic status, education, disability, etc. So everyone has different levels of power and are viewed in different discriminatory ways depending on how this all comes together.
In a nutshell, I suppose I want everyone to be treated with a baseline of respect and dignity, not held back by immutable characteristics. "
Is it discriminatory that I have never had a man work for me? Do you not believe certain jobs suit certain genders. I know for a fact that I would lose money employing a man. Should I though to prove I’m all for equality? |
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"I'm impartial, however i do believe that the white hetrosexual male is a dying breed in supervisory and managerial positions, replaced by women in order for the company to tick the box .....5.....4.....3.....2.....1"
Really? I’ve visited probably 20 companies in the last 6 months and pale male is absolutely how the management is. I’m interested in your evidence that it’s different.
I’ve got some experience in putting teams together and the combination that always wins is the team that can bring the most questions and that’s because of their experience.
If you get a load of people together who have had a similar experience in growing up; income, schooling, how people treat others... they’re not going to see things very differently.
Shock - could diversity be a good thing rather than a box ticking exercise? Perhaps labelling it that way means insecure, white blokes aren’t scared by it |
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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago
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"I'm impartial, however i do believe that the white hetrosexual male is a dying breed in supervisory and managerial positions, replaced by women in order for the company to tick the box .....5.....4.....3.....2.....1
Really? I’ve visited probably 20 companies in the last 6 months and pale male is absolutely how the management is. I’m interested in your evidence that it’s different.
I’ve got some experience in putting teams together and the combination that always wins is the team that can bring the most questions and that’s because of their experience.
If you get a load of people together who have had a similar experience in growing up; income, schooling, how people treat others... they’re not going to see things very differently.
Shock - could diversity be a good thing rather than a box ticking exercise? Perhaps labelling it that way means insecure, white blokes aren’t scared by it"
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"Personally, I believe that prescribed gender roles harm both men and women, and that both gender and sexuality should be as the individual wishes to express them. While historically women have borne the overwhelming brunt of that and are still at a disadvantage, men suffer too, and my feminism is also for them.
To the extent that it's possible, and I'm always fallible and learning, my feminism is also intersectional. I recognise that privilege (or lack thereof) comes from many different angles, including but not limited to race, gender, sexuality, gender assigned at birth, class, socio-economic status, education, disability, etc. So everyone has different levels of power and are viewed in different discriminatory ways depending on how this all comes together.
In a nutshell, I suppose I want everyone to be treated with a baseline of respect and dignity, not held back by immutable characteristics.
Is it discriminatory that I have never had a man work for me? Do you not believe certain jobs suit certain genders. I know for a fact that I would lose money employing a man. Should I though to prove I’m all for equality?"
Not necessarily.
No.
You should hire the best person for the job, ideally being mindful of innate bias. |
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"I'm impartial, however i do believe that the white hetrosexual male is a dying breed in supervisory and managerial positions, replaced by women in order for the company to tick the box .....5.....4.....3.....2.....1
Really? I’ve visited probably 20 companies in the last 6 months and pale male is absolutely how the management is. I’m interested in your evidence that it’s different.
I’ve got some experience in putting teams together and the combination that always wins is the team that can bring the most questions and that’s because of their experience.
If you get a load of people together who have had a similar experience in growing up; income, schooling, how people treat others... they’re not going to see things very differently.
Shock - could diversity be a good thing rather than a box ticking exercise? Perhaps labelling it that way means insecure, white blokes aren’t scared by it
I thought it would be funny if nobody replied so that the wee countdown was meaningless "
I sometimes do a countdown before I wee.
It’s funny in public urinals.
5,4,3,2,1 and release. |
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"Personally, I believe that prescribed gender roles harm both men and women, and that both gender and sexuality should be as the individual wishes to express them. While historically women have borne the overwhelming brunt of that and are still at a disadvantage, men suffer too, and my feminism is also for them.
To the extent that it's possible, and I'm always fallible and learning, my feminism is also intersectional. I recognise that privilege (or lack thereof) comes from many different angles, including but not limited to race, gender, sexuality, gender assigned at birth, class, socio-economic status, education, disability, etc. So everyone has different levels of power and are viewed in different discriminatory ways depending on how this all comes together.
In a nutshell, I suppose I want everyone to be treated with a baseline of respect and dignity, not held back by immutable characteristics.
Is it discriminatory that I have never had a man work for me? Do you not believe certain jobs suit certain genders. I know for a fact that I would lose money employing a man. Should I though to prove I’m all for equality?"
You should employ the person with the right credentials for the job. |
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"Personally, I believe that prescribed gender roles harm both men and women, and that both gender and sexuality should be as the individual wishes to express them. While historically women have borne the overwhelming brunt of that and are still at a disadvantage, men suffer too, and my feminism is also for them.
To the extent that it's possible, and I'm always fallible and learning, my feminism is also intersectional. I recognise that privilege (or lack thereof) comes from many different angles, including but not limited to race, gender, sexuality, gender assigned at birth, class, socio-economic status, education, disability, etc. So everyone has different levels of power and are viewed in different discriminatory ways depending on how this all comes together.
In a nutshell, I suppose I want everyone to be treated with a baseline of respect and dignity, not held back by immutable characteristics.
Is it discriminatory that I have never had a man work for me? Do you not believe certain jobs suit certain genders. I know for a fact that I would lose money employing a man. Should I though to prove I’m all for equality?
You should employ the person with the right credentials for the job. "
Exactly. I agree |
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"I (Luke) prefer descriptions to labels because labels can be misunderstood.
I believe very strongly in equal rights for women. I want to see more women across all areas of the work force. I want to see more women as politicians. I would stand shoulder-to-shoulder with any woman objecting to opportunities denied to her purely for being a woman. I don't know if that makes me a feminist but it seems to be in that ball park.
Sounds like feminism to me. Now, about that fuck...! X"
I have sent you a PM about that. |
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"I have a penchant for feminist men. If you’re out there, please say hi.
(I’m hoping for a little more than “Don’t worry love, I’m a feminist. I think birds should be equal and all that”) "
Ditto but a warning my red flag awareness is high. Met many "feminists" who were something else entirely. |
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"I have a penchant for feminist men. If you’re out there, please say hi.
(I’m hoping for a little more than “Don’t worry love, I’m a feminist. I think birds should be equal and all that”)
Ditto but a warning my red flag awareness is high. Met many "feminists" who were something else entirely."
Oh god yes. |
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"I'm impartial, however i do believe that the white hetrosexual male is a dying breed in supervisory and managerial positions, replaced by women in order for the company to tick the box .....5.....4.....3.....2.....1"
Sure they are. As evidenced by the Chief Executives and boards of the FTSE 100 companies... oh wait. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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Nope sorry, not a feminist. Extremists have twisted it, and it has become deformed enough that it is a horrible movement.
Everyone is equal, regardless of sex, gender, race, etc. Their actions and attitudes are what should define how they should be treated by others or receive equal treatment as a person with modern rights. |
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"Nope sorry, not a feminist. Extremists have twisted it, and it has become deformed enough that it is a horrible movement.
Everyone is equal, regardless of sex, gender, race, etc. Their actions and attitudes are what should define how they should be treated by others or receive equal treatment as a person with modern rights. "
You always speak sense to me. |
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I’m delighted to say, I’m chatting to some awesome, forward-thinking feminists (of all genders) thanks to this thread.
It’s also been a useful place to identify people who are genuinely interested, people who hold feminist values but wouldn’t label themselves as feminists, goady-fuckers, the hard-of-thinking, those for whom mocking is easier than engaging.
I always think of this quote in discussions like these:
“When you’re used to privilege, equality feels like oppression”.
Anyway - I’m off to chat to my new friends. Feminists and those who hold feminist values and those genuinely interested in learning more are welcome to PM me.
Have a lovely day folks.
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"I also don't think feminism is a single movement and hasn't been for a long time.
Easy case in point: TERFs and I do not sit in the same camp."
In sweden it is a 3rd wave movement with its agendas. |
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"Nope sorry, not a feminist. Extremists have twisted it, and it has become deformed enough that it is a horrible movement.
Everyone is equal, regardless of sex, gender, race, etc. Their actions and attitudes are what should define how they should be treated by others or receive equal treatment as a person with modern rights. "
My feelings exactly! Well said sir |
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"I heard a definition of feminism the other day and it said.
Women who want to be able to do anything with absolutely no responsibility for it.
That would be an innacurate definition. I prefer 'Feminism is the radical notion that women are people.'"
Any right thinking man knows that! what else are you, aliens? What on earth is so radical about your statement? I truly think it is a ridiculous one. |
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"I heard a definition of feminism the other day and it said.
Women who want to be able to do anything with absolutely no responsibility for it.
What a bizarre definition. Clearly written by someone who has no idea what they're talking about!"
I have respect for women's groups who stand up and challenge necessary things..like the right to be able to breastfeed (modestly) in public. If my child needed feeding I would want them fed! The breast being used for one of its underated purposes!! Page 3 in the newspapers for instance was never good for men in equal measure as for women. Or on the other hand how about that female TV presenter showing a bit of cleavage am I meant to believe it's not to help maintain/attract viewers? Or are we meant to be 'blind' to the consideration of that?
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By *mberWoman
over a year ago
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"Having worked some arduous roles alongside ladies I have no issues accepting women as equals. But don't ask me not to appreciate femininity.
I'm a feminist and I perform femininity all the time. It's a choice I get to make because of feminism."
This. Exactly this. I to am a feminine feminist.
Tell me you think my eyeshadow looks nice
Do not assume that I can't buy a car successfully without a man by my side. |
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"Having worked some arduous roles alongside ladies I have no issues accepting women as equals. But don't ask me not to appreciate femininity.
I'm a feminist and I perform femininity all the time. It's a choice I get to make because of feminism.
This. Exactly this. I to am a feminine feminist.
Tell me you think my eyeshadow looks nice
Do not assume that I can't buy a car successfully without a man by my side."
Yup. I dig my eyeshadow. But I don't need it to look acceptable, and the powders/creams I apply to my face say nothing about my competency, decency, or intelligence. |
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By *mberWoman
over a year ago
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"Having worked some arduous roles alongside ladies I have no issues accepting women as equals. But don't ask me not to appreciate femininity.
I'm a feminist and I perform femininity all the time. It's a choice I get to make because of feminism.
This. Exactly this. I to am a feminine feminist.
Tell me you think my eyeshadow looks nice
Do not assume that I can't buy a car successfully without a man by my side.
Yup. I dig my eyeshadow. But I don't need it to look acceptable, and the powders/creams I apply to my face say nothing about my competency, decency, or intelligence."
Mine either. I don't claim to be competent, decent or intelligent. But I do like an eyeshadow  |
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"Having worked some arduous roles alongside ladies I have no issues accepting women as equals. But don't ask me not to appreciate femininity.
I'm a feminist and I perform femininity all the time. It's a choice I get to make because of feminism.
This. Exactly this. I to am a feminine feminist.
Tell me you think my eyeshadow looks nice
Do not assume that I can't buy a car successfully without a man by my side.
Yup. I dig my eyeshadow. But I don't need it to look acceptable, and the powders/creams I apply to my face say nothing about my competency, decency, or intelligence.
Mine either. I don't claim to be competent, decent or intelligent. But I do like an eyeshadow "
I have an eyeshadow problem
And apparently I'm vaguely intelligent. |
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"Nope sorry, not a feminist. Extremists have twisted it, and it has become deformed enough that it is a horrible movement.
Everyone is equal, regardless of sex, gender, race, etc. Their actions and attitudes are what should define how they should be treated by others or receive equal treatment as a person with modern rights. "
I fully agree about the bottom half, but it's only through action that that's been achieved. Granted social media makes it easy for people to become extreme and heard, but without feminists women would still be property and marital r*pe would still be legal |
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I’m an equally for all kind of human ... labels I’m not so keen on I don’t really like my opinions or beliefs to be a defining factor of who I am as a person. I also respect that my views aren’t shared by everyone and would never push them onto anyone else. Very much a “ you do you and I’ll do me” unless it’s sex and your attractive and maybe we could do each other |
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By *mberWoman
over a year ago
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"Having worked some arduous roles alongside ladies I have no issues accepting women as equals. But don't ask me not to appreciate femininity.
I'm a feminist and I perform femininity all the time. It's a choice I get to make because of feminism.
This. Exactly this. I to am a feminine feminist.
Tell me you think my eyeshadow looks nice
Do not assume that I can't buy a car successfully without a man by my side.
Yup. I dig my eyeshadow. But I don't need it to look acceptable, and the powders/creams I apply to my face say nothing about my competency, decency, or intelligence.
Mine either. I don't claim to be competent, decent or intelligent. But I do like an eyeshadow
I have an eyeshadow problem
And apparently I'm vaguely intelligent."
Don't push it woman. We all know you can't be that clever, show is you penis and prove it!  |
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"Define feminist, please?
Why? If it’s something you’re interested in you’ll be aware of the definitions and schools of thought. If it’s not something you know much about, it’s easily googleable. "
Personally to me is about being respectful. I'm not going to say I know all about feminism but treat people equally out of respect and manners |
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"Having worked some arduous roles alongside ladies I have no issues accepting women as equals. But don't ask me not to appreciate femininity.
I'm a feminist and I perform femininity all the time. It's a choice I get to make because of feminism.
This. Exactly this. I to am a feminine feminist.
Tell me you think my eyeshadow looks nice
Do not assume that I can't buy a car successfully without a man by my side.
Yup. I dig my eyeshadow. But I don't need it to look acceptable, and the powders/creams I apply to my face say nothing about my competency, decency, or intelligence.
Mine either. I don't claim to be competent, decent or intelligent. But I do like an eyeshadow
I have an eyeshadow problem
And apparently I'm vaguely intelligent.
Don't push it woman. We all know you can't be that clever, show is you penis and prove it! "
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sure.
straight cis guy, so I'm wary identifying loudly to the world as feminist, as I don't wanna seem disingenuous. Definitely onboard though.
To me it's a 'common-sense' "can't believe I'm still protesting this shit" kinda thing - How can one not be feminist? |
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"sure.
straight cis guy, so I'm wary identifying loudly to the world as feminist, as I don't wanna seem disingenuous. Definitely onboard though.
To me it's a 'common-sense' "can't believe I'm still protesting this shit" kinda thing - How can one not be feminist?"
You'd think, and yet. |
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