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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

If a hot guy working in ur home took a pair of ur used underwear would this be a turn on or major problem??

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By *SAchickWoman  over a year ago

Hillside desolate

A major problem.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Its certainly an opinion divider aint it.

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By *icecouple561Couple  over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

A major problem. His looks wouldn't come in to it.

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By *ex HolesMan  over a year ago

Up North

A problem as I only have 7 pairs of undies

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"A problem as I only have 7 pairs of undies "

Hahahaha wheres my sunday knickers gone?

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By *SAchickWoman  over a year ago

Hillside desolate


"A major problem. "

And his hotness or otherwise is irrelevant.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"A major problem.

And his hotness or otherwise is irrelevant.

"

I was mainly saying hot to set the scenario.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I really worry about how people think sometimes

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

A major massive issue , what & where else has he been snooping around. Instant dismissal from job , and if he had a social media account I’ll make sure people knew what he was like , that’s one thing that I can’t abide is untrustworthy people

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By *UNKIEMan  over a year ago

south east

Someone comes into your home a steals something ..yeah that would be a total turn on

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By * Sophie xTV/TS  over a year ago

Derby

I'd wonder if he knew the knickers were mine and laugh at the thought of him sniffing where my balls had recently been

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

He wouldn’t be coming back to do anymore work that’s for sure.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Someone comes into your home a steals something ..yeah that would be a total turn on "

I wouldnt worry mate i think youd be ok

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By *SAchickWoman  over a year ago

Hillside desolate


"I'd wonder if he knew the knickers were mine and laugh at the thought of him sniffing where my balls had recently been "

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By *ntrigued32Couple  over a year ago

Nottingham


"A major massive issue , what & where else has he been snooping around. Instant dismissal from job , and if he had a social media account I’ll make sure people knew what he was like , that’s one thing that I can’t abide is untrustworthy people "

Absolutely 100% This.

Jo.Xx

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By *ex HolesMan  over a year ago

Up North

Anyone wanna buy some knickers?

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By *urvyandCurious999Woman  over a year ago

Hiding from twats

I'd be fucking fuming!

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By *UNKIEMan  over a year ago

south east


"Someone comes into your home a steals something ..yeah that would be a total turn on

I wouldnt worry mate i think youd be ok"

Lol I'd def be ok but he wouldn't when the wife got a hold of him ..she'd be wearing his baws as earnings

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Definitely a problem, my knickers are expensive!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I'd wonder if he knew the knickers were mine and laugh at the thought of him sniffing where my balls had recently been "

Haha!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Its certainly an opinion divider aint it. "

No I don’t think so

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By *SAchickWoman  over a year ago

Hillside desolate


"Its certainly an opinion divider aint it.

No I don’t think so "

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Im certainly not condoning it at all, the topic came up on a kik group n the overall consensus was the complete opposite to the replies on here.

FYI: I DONT WORK IN PEOPLES HOUSES NOR DO I FIND STINKING LAUNDRY KNICKERS AROUSING HA

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By *uenevereWoman  over a year ago

Scunthorpe

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By *uenevereWoman  over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"If a hot guy working in ur home took a pair of ur used underwear would this be a turn on or major problem?? "

It would be a major problem and I would be checking if anything else was missing.

Any other action would depend upon exactly what he had stolen.

I can't imagine anyone thinking someone going into your bedroom uninvited and stealing from you, a turn on

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By *orthantsblueeyesMan  over a year ago

Northampton


"Its certainly an opinion divider aint it.

No I don’t think so "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

My sister in law had underwear stolen by a guy purporting to view her house as it was up for sale, she reported him to the police and they had received several complaints about the same modus operandi. He was prosecuted

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By *icecouple561Couple  over a year ago
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East Sussex


"Im certainly not condoning it at all, the topic came up on a kik group n the overall consensus was the complete opposite to the replies on here.

FYI: I DONT WORK IN PEOPLES HOUSES NOR DO I FIND STINKING LAUNDRY KNICKERS AROUSING HA"

No need to shout.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Im certainly not condoning it at all, the topic came up on a kik group n the overall consensus was the complete opposite to the replies on here.

FYI: I DONT WORK IN PEOPLES HOUSES NOR DO I FIND STINKING LAUNDRY KNICKERS AROUSING HA"

Are you asking for a friend then?

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By *allySlinkyWoman  over a year ago

Leeds

It is theft. An intrusive crime. How is that a turn on ?

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By *candiumWoman  over a year ago

oban

Depends if he asked 1st.

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By *otwifeandcuckCouple  over a year ago

Blackpool

Price of my knickers its would be a problem a big problem for him!

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By *innocentMan  over a year ago

Littlehampton

anyone who has to ask this is odd.

Put it this way. What would OP think if his sister called out a BT engineer for help getting broadband connected and half way through he snuck into her bedroom and stole some knickers.

Ever heard of the word consent.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"anyone who has to ask this is odd.

Put it this way. What would OP think if his sister called out a BT engineer for help getting broadband connected and half way through he snuck into her bedroom and stole some knickers.

Id say i didnt realise u were with BT i thought u were with virgin... Then id say hey wait a second i dont have a sister lol

Ever heard of the word consent.

"

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I'd wonder if he knew the knickers were mine and laugh at the thought of him sniffing where my balls had recently been "

Might be the skids he is sniffing or even licking

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Um. If out of the laundry basket (as OP suggests) I think I'd be bemused but not overly offended. If out of my drawers then that is more of a privacy issue.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

At my old gym , I had a pair of CK boxers stolen whist I was in the showers was fuming When I reported it to the receptionist she said it happens a lot but couldn’t do much as no CCTV in there etc and that someone takes socks as well

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"At my old gym , I had a pair of CK boxers stolen whist I was in the showers was fuming When I reported it to the receptionist she said it happens a lot but couldn’t do much as no CCTV in there etc and that someone takes socks as well "

Someone took my shower gel from the gym before.... Wonder if he sniffed it

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"At my old gym , I had a pair of CK boxers stolen whist I was in the showers was fuming When I reported it to the receptionist she said it happens a lot but couldn’t do much as no CCTV in there etc and that someone takes socks as well "

At least they didn't take your trousers

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By *alandNitaCouple  over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"Its certainly an opinion divider aint it. "

Seems opinion is not so divided.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Problem

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By *chooloffilthWoman  over a year ago

Manchester

It depends if they were a pair of good 'uns or ones that were on their way out!

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Its certainly an opinion divider aint it.

Seems opinion is not so divided."

There is no opinion on here. If a woman disagrees with it everyone does, even if shes dog ugly

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By * Sophie xTV/TS  over a year ago

Derby


"Um. If out of the laundry basket (as OP suggests) I think I'd be bemused but not overly offended. If out of my drawers then that is more of a privacy issue. "

Well damn, now she says

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Its certainly an opinion divider aint it.

Seems opinion is not so divided.

There is no opinion on here. If a woman disagrees with it everyone does, even if shes dog ugly"

Wow....how to make friends and influence people.

Are men only supposed to agree with dog pretty women?

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By *SAchickWoman  over a year ago

Hillside desolate


"Its certainly an opinion divider aint it.

Seems opinion is not so divided.

There is no opinion on here. If a woman disagrees with it everyone does, even if shes dog ugly

Wow....how to make friends and influence people.

Are men only supposed to agree with dog pretty women?"

I wonder why it's called dog ugly? Dogs are cute. I'm going to start saying dog pretty

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Its certainly an opinion divider aint it.

Seems opinion is not so divided.

There is no opinion on here. If a woman disagrees with it everyone does, even if shes dog ugly

Wow....how to make friends and influence people.

Are men only supposed to agree with dog pretty women?

I wonder why it's called dog ugly? Dogs are cute. I'm going to start saying dog pretty "

Im sure all the guys will agree with ur zen statement. Just wait lol

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

It would seem a variety of women, myself included, find this scenario off putting at least. On this forum it doesn't seem to be contentious.

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By *ecadent_DevonMan  over a year ago

Okehampton


"Its certainly an opinion divider aint it.

Seems opinion is not so divided.

There is no opinion on here. If a woman disagrees with it everyone does, even if shes dog ugly"

Bit harsh. You asked people whether a flagrant abuse of their privacy by a complete stranger was acceptable. You also asked whether theft was acceptable and whether violating their right to a private life was acceptable (an inalienable human right).

You asked all of this with the justification that because they are “hot” it would be okay.

I’m truly not sure what you were expecting... but hey. You do you.

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By *SAchickWoman  over a year ago

Hillside desolate


"Its certainly an opinion divider aint it.

Seems opinion is not so divided.

There is no opinion on here. If a woman disagrees with it everyone does, even if shes dog ugly

Wow....how to make friends and influence people.

Are men only supposed to agree with dog pretty women?

I wonder why it's called dog ugly? Dogs are cute. I'm going to start saying dog pretty

Im sure all the guys will agree with ur zen statement. Just wait lol"

Actually it was a guy who said it, I just quoted him. Oh look, a woman agreeing with a man!

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Its certainly an opinion divider aint it.

Seems opinion is not so divided.

There is no opinion on here. If a woman disagrees with it everyone does, even if shes dog ugly

Bit harsh. You asked people whether a flagrant abuse of their privacy by a complete stranger was acceptable. You also asked whether theft was acceptable and whether violating their right to a private life was acceptable (an inalienable human right).

You asked all of this with the justification that because they are “hot” it would be okay.

I’m truly not sure what you were expecting... but hey. You do you. "

Other unnamed people who may or may not exist might like this.

Here, it would seem that it's not at all welcome.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Its certainly an opinion divider aint it.

Seems opinion is not so divided.

There is no opinion on here. If a woman disagrees with it everyone does, even if shes dog ugly

Bit harsh. You asked people whether a flagrant abuse of their privacy by a complete stranger was acceptable. You also asked whether theft was acceptable and whether violating their right to a private life was acceptable (an inalienable human right).

You asked all of this with the justification that because they are “hot” it would be okay.

I’m truly not sure what you were expecting... but hey. You do you. "

Theres so many white knights. Chivalry is here to stay!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Its certainly an opinion divider aint it.

Seems opinion is not so divided.

There is no opinion on here. If a woman disagrees with it everyone does, even if shes dog ugly"

You don't like the answers you're getting then? I very much doubt that many women would find the thought of some pervy stranger stealing their underwear from their own home very appealing. I know I wouldn't.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Its certainly an opinion divider aint it.

Seems opinion is not so divided.

There is no opinion on here. If a woman disagrees with it everyone does, even if shes dog ugly

You don't like the answers you're getting then? I very much doubt that many women would find the thought of some pervy stranger stealing their underwear from their own home very appealing. I know I wouldn't. "

I dont care either way tbh im bored n decided to come on forums for first time ever. Its fun

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By *ecadent_DevonMan  over a year ago

Okehampton


"Its certainly an opinion divider aint it.

Seems opinion is not so divided.

There is no opinion on here. If a woman disagrees with it everyone does, even if shes dog ugly

Bit harsh. You asked people whether a flagrant abuse of their privacy by a complete stranger was acceptable. You also asked whether theft was acceptable and whether violating their right to a private life was acceptable (an inalienable human right).

You asked all of this with the justification that because they are “hot” it would be okay.

I’m truly not sure what you were expecting... but hey. You do you.

Theres so many white knights. Chivalry is here to stay! "

I prefer Knight of the Defended Knickers if it’s all the same. Kisses sweets

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Its certainly an opinion divider aint it.

Seems opinion is not so divided.

There is no opinion on here. If a woman disagrees with it everyone does, even if shes dog ugly

Bit harsh. You asked people whether a flagrant abuse of their privacy by a complete stranger was acceptable. You also asked whether theft was acceptable and whether violating their right to a private life was acceptable (an inalienable human right).

You asked all of this with the justification that because they are “hot” it would be okay.

I’m truly not sure what you were expecting... but hey. You do you.

Theres so many white knights. Chivalry is here to stay! "

I'm unsure why men agreeing with women are always white knights.

Maybe... Maybe women are occasionally right about things?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I’d be fuming. Nice underwear costs money! But there’s be all kinds of hell to pay if they touched my granny pants!

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Its certainly an opinion divider aint it.

Seems opinion is not so divided.

There is no opinion on here. If a woman disagrees with it everyone does, even if shes dog ugly

Bit harsh. You asked people whether a flagrant abuse of their privacy by a complete stranger was acceptable. You also asked whether theft was acceptable and whether violating their right to a private life was acceptable (an inalienable human right).

You asked all of this with the justification that because they are “hot” it would be okay.

I’m truly not sure what you were expecting... but hey. You do you.

Theres so many white knights. Chivalry is here to stay!

I'm unsure why men agreeing with women are always white knights.

Maybe... Maybe women are occasionally right about things? "

Theyre not

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Its certainly an opinion divider aint it.

Seems opinion is not so divided.

There is no opinion on here. If a woman disagrees with it everyone does, even if shes dog ugly

Wow....how to make friends and influence people.

Are men only supposed to agree with dog pretty women?

I wonder why it's called dog ugly? Dogs are cute. I'm going to start saying dog pretty

Im sure all the guys will agree with ur zen statement. Just wait lol

Actually it was a guy who said it, I just quoted him. Oh look, a woman agreeing with a man! "

That's not gonna catch on

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By *reamytitwankCouple  over a year ago

Cardiff

I would not be happy at all!!! My underwear is very expensive.

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Its certainly an opinion divider aint it.

Seems opinion is not so divided.

There is no opinion on here. If a woman disagrees with it everyone does, even if shes dog ugly

Bit harsh. You asked people whether a flagrant abuse of their privacy by a complete stranger was acceptable. You also asked whether theft was acceptable and whether violating their right to a private life was acceptable (an inalienable human right).

You asked all of this with the justification that because they are “hot” it would be okay.

I’m truly not sure what you were expecting... but hey. You do you.

Theres so many white knights. Chivalry is here to stay!

I'm unsure why men agreeing with women are always white knights.

Maybe... Maybe women are occasionally right about things?

Theyre not "

How to win friends and influence people.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Its certainly an opinion divider aint it.

Seems opinion is not so divided.

There is no opinion on here. If a woman disagrees with it everyone does, even if shes dog ugly

Bit harsh. You asked people whether a flagrant abuse of their privacy by a complete stranger was acceptable. You also asked whether theft was acceptable and whether violating their right to a private life was acceptable (an inalienable human right).

You asked all of this with the justification that because they are “hot” it would be okay.

I’m truly not sure what you were expecting... but hey. You do you.

Theres so many white knights. Chivalry is here to stay!

I'm unsure why men agreeing with women are always white knights.

Maybe... Maybe women are occasionally right about things?

Theyre not

How to win friends and influence people."

Friends lol i got friends, im here to fuck ha

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I personally would never fuck anyone who thought I was wrong when asking me how I felt, or that my gender precluded me from being correct.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I personally would never fuck anyone who thought I was wrong when asking me how I felt, or that my gender precluded me from being correct."

Nobody asked u tho lol

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By *arlomaleMan  over a year ago

darlington


"Its certainly an opinion divider aint it.

Seems opinion is not so divided.

There is no opinion on here. If a woman disagrees with it everyone does, even if shes dog ugly

Bit harsh. You asked people whether a flagrant abuse of their privacy by a complete stranger was acceptable. You also asked whether theft was acceptable and whether violating their right to a private life was acceptable (an inalienable human right).

You asked all of this with the justification that because they are “hot” it would be okay.

I’m truly not sure what you were expecting... but hey. You do you.

Theres so many white knights. Chivalry is here to stay!

I'm unsure why men agreeing with women are always white knights.

Maybe... Maybe women are occasionally right about things?

Theyre not

How to win friends and influence people.

Friends lol i got friends, im here to fuck ha"

male or female ?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"If a hot guy working in ur home took a pair of ur used underwear would this be a turn on or major problem?? "

I'd go as far as reporting to the police and depending on circumstances trading standards and any other body that could be relevant. I'd see it as a major violation.

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Its certainly an opinion divider aint it.

Seems opinion is not so divided.

There is no opinion on here. If a woman disagrees with it everyone does, even if shes dog ugly

Bit harsh. You asked people whether a flagrant abuse of their privacy by a complete stranger was acceptable. You also asked whether theft was acceptable and whether violating their right to a private life was acceptable (an inalienable human right).

You asked all of this with the justification that because they are “hot” it would be okay.

I’m truly not sure what you were expecting... but hey. You do you.

Theres so many white knights. Chivalry is here to stay!

I'm unsure why men agreeing with women are always white knights.

Maybe... Maybe women are occasionally right about things?

Theyre not

How to win friends and influence people.

Friends lol i got friends, im here to fuck ha male or female ?"

Female, thanks for the offer though

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By *arlomaleMan  over a year ago

darlington


"Its certainly an opinion divider aint it.

Seems opinion is not so divided.

There is no opinion on here. If a woman disagrees with it everyone does, even if shes dog ugly

Bit harsh. You asked people whether a flagrant abuse of their privacy by a complete stranger was acceptable. You also asked whether theft was acceptable and whether violating their right to a private life was acceptable (an inalienable human right).

You asked all of this with the justification that because they are “hot” it would be okay.

I’m truly not sure what you were expecting... but hey. You do you.

Theres so many white knights. Chivalry is here to stay!

I'm unsure why men agreeing with women are always white knights.

Maybe... Maybe women are occasionally right about things?

Theyre not

How to win friends and influence people.

Friends lol i got friends, im here to fuck ha male or female ?

Female, thanks for the offer though"

I wasn’t offering I’m just curious to why a tv/ts has verified you

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Its certainly an opinion divider aint it.

Seems opinion is not so divided.

There is no opinion on here. If a woman disagrees with it everyone does, even if shes dog ugly

Bit harsh. You asked people whether a flagrant abuse of their privacy by a complete stranger was acceptable. You also asked whether theft was acceptable and whether violating their right to a private life was acceptable (an inalienable human right).

You asked all of this with the justification that because they are “hot” it would be okay.

I’m truly not sure what you were expecting... but hey. You do you.

Theres so many white knights. Chivalry is here to stay!

I'm unsure why men agreeing with women are always white knights.

Maybe... Maybe women are occasionally right about things?

Theyre not

How to win friends and influence people.

Friends lol i got friends, im here to fuck ha male or female ?

Female, thanks for the offer though I wasn’t offering I’m just curious to why a tv/ts has verified you "

Curious or bi curious lol.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I personally would never fuck anyone who thought I was wrong when asking me how I felt, or that my gender precluded me from being correct.

Nobody asked u tho lol"

Well, actually you did ask her and everyone else by posting this thread

This sort of thing happens in the fantasy stories but like many fantasies, it's a different story in real life. You wanted to know what people thought and they've told you.

Unfortunately - they havnt given the answers you appear to have wanted. Why not just leave it there.

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By *arlomaleMan  over a year ago

darlington


"Its certainly an opinion divider aint it.

Seems opinion is not so divided.

There is no opinion on here. If a woman disagrees with it everyone does, even if shes dog ugly

Bit harsh. You asked people whether a flagrant abuse of their privacy by a complete stranger was acceptable. You also asked whether theft was acceptable and whether violating their right to a private life was acceptable (an inalienable human right).

You asked all of this with the justification that because they are “hot” it would be okay.

I’m truly not sure what you were expecting... but hey. You do you.

Theres so many white knights. Chivalry is here to stay!

I'm unsure why men agreeing with women are always white knights.

Maybe... Maybe women are occasionally right about things?

Theyre not

How to win friends and influence people.

Friends lol i got friends, im here to fuck ha male or female ?

Female, thanks for the offer though I wasn’t offering I’m just curious to why a tv/ts has verified you

Curious or bi curious lol.

"

I’m not sure you claim to be straight and here to fuck but you have been verified from a tv/ts I’m just a bit confused

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I personally would never fuck anyone who thought I was wrong when asking me how I felt, or that my gender precluded me from being correct.

Nobody asked u tho lol

Well, actually you did ask her and everyone else by posting this thread

This sort of thing happens in the fantasy stories but like many fantasies, it's a different story in real life. You wanted to know what people thought and they've told you.

Unfortunately - they havnt given the answers you appear to have wanted. Why not just leave it there."

Because its fun lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Its certainly an opinion divider aint it.

Seems opinion is not so divided.

There is no opinion on here. If a woman disagrees with it everyone does, even if shes dog ugly

Bit harsh. You asked people whether a flagrant abuse of their privacy by a complete stranger was acceptable. You also asked whether theft was acceptable and whether violating their right to a private life was acceptable (an inalienable human right).

You asked all of this with the justification that because they are “hot” it would be okay.

I’m truly not sure what you were expecting... but hey. You do you.

Theres so many white knights. Chivalry is here to stay!

I'm unsure why men agreeing with women are always white knights.

Maybe... Maybe women are occasionally right about things?

Theyre not

How to win friends and influence people.

Friends lol i got friends, im here to fuck ha male or female ?

Female, thanks for the offer though I wasn’t offering I’m just curious to why a tv/ts has verified you

Curious or bi curious lol.

I’m not sure you claim to be straight and here to fuck but you have been verified from a tv/ts I’m just a bit confused "

Im sure u are pal, do u see tge cam verification thats wen tv verified me... Cant do anything about that can i, hope u enjoy my profile tho lol

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By *arlomaleMan  over a year ago

darlington


"Its certainly an opinion divider aint it.

Seems opinion is not so divided.

There is no opinion on here. If a woman disagrees with it everyone does, even if shes dog ugly

Bit harsh. You asked people whether a flagrant abuse of their privacy by a complete stranger was acceptable. You also asked whether theft was acceptable and whether violating their right to a private life was acceptable (an inalienable human right).

You asked all of this with the justification that because they are “hot” it would be okay.

I’m truly not sure what you were expecting... but hey. You do you.

Theres so many white knights. Chivalry is here to stay!

I'm unsure why men agreeing with women are always white knights.

Maybe... Maybe women are occasionally right about things?

Theyre not

How to win friends and influence people.

Friends lol i got friends, im here to fuck ha male or female ?

Female, thanks for the offer though I wasn’t offering I’m just curious to why a tv/ts has verified you

Curious or bi curious lol.

I’m not sure you claim to be straight and here to fuck but you have been verified from a tv/ts I’m just a bit confused

Im sure u are pal, do u see tge cam verification thats wen tv verified me... Cant do anything about that can i, hope u enjoy my profile tho lol"

that’s cleared that up then

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By *naswingdressWoman  over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

This went well.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It wouldnt bother me in the least, whatever gets ya going lol.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"It wouldnt bother me in the least, whatever gets ya going lol.

"

The men wont know how to answer now lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It wouldnt bother me in the least, whatever gets ya going lol.

The men wont know how to answer now lol"

Im jst being honest, id rather you asked me out but its kinda kinky at same time lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

There you go mate someone's given you the answer you want.

Oh sorry.....I'm not supposed to know what to say ....

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