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By *ovegames42 OP Man over a year ago

london

The first death confirmed in Europe “ Paris “.

And people say nothing to worry about.

Still you can rely on Euber to take you to hospital if you feel ill

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No. Thousands of people die a year I'm the UK from the generic flu, are you worried about that?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just bag up and wear a gas mask and you will be ok.

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By *ovegames42 OP Man over a year ago

london

No because we have vaccine for that.

“ the estimation for a corona virus vaccine is at least 18 months”.

So yes I’m worried and concerned.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The first death confirmed in Europe “ Paris “.

And people say nothing to worry about.

Still you can rely on Euber to take you to hospital if you feel ill

An 80 year old.

An 80 year old died of a flu strain.

Condelenses to his family, but it's hardly something to panic about.

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By *ovegames42 OP Man over a year ago

london

"Just bag up and wear a gas mask and you will be ok.

The virus has a surface contact time of up to ten hours so Hand sanitizers as well as face protection.

Have you people not seen how quickly this has spread around the world and escalating on in daily basis.

There is more to this than the media are meeting on

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just bag up and wear a gas mask and you will be ok.

The virus has a surface contact time of up to ten hours so Hand sanitizers as well as face protection.

Have you people not seen how quickly this has spread around the world and escalating on in daily basis.

There is more to this than the media are meeting on"

Might aswell go bare then

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What’s gonna happen when the edit coverage dries up and we haven’t all been wiped out by corona virus. Are we going to get to wear ‘told you’ tee shirts? Because if we do, can they be V neck I don’t suit a crew cut

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just bag up and wear a gas mask and you will be ok.

The virus has a surface contact time of up to ten hours so Hand sanitizers as well as face protection.

Have you people not seen how quickly this has spread around the world and escalating on in daily basis.

There is more to this than the media are meeting on"

Yea because the media are always reluctant to start a panic

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just bag up and wear a gas mask and you will be ok.

The virus has a surface contact time of up to ten hours so Hand sanitizers as well as face protection.

Have you people not seen how quickly this has spread around the world and escalating on in daily basis.

There is more to this than the media are meeting on"

If anything this is covering something else up.

I think you are paranoid, personally

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By *ovegames42 OP Man over a year ago

london

Na no bare back for me, have to have my morals and sensibility

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By *edangel_2013Woman over a year ago

southend

"What’s gonna happen when the edit coverage dries up and we haven’t all been wiped out by corona virus. Are we going to get to wear ‘told you’ tee shirts? Because if we do, can they be V neck I don’t suit a crew cut "

I've already had mine made. I went loose fit, so I can wear it to work.

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By *ovegames42 OP Man over a year ago

london

"Na no bare back for me, have to have my morals and sensibility "

That I can come control

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Don't forget we all got wiped out by Foot and mouth, bird flu and SARS and such

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By *ovegames42 OP Man over a year ago

london

Obviously not

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The first death confirmed in Europe “ Paris “.

And people say nothing to worry about.

Still you can rely on Euber to take you to hospital if you feel ill

Freudian slip,or hilariously accurate observation?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Don’t eat beef. You will get mad cow.

Moooooooo

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By *arlomaleMan over a year ago

darlington

Don't forget we all got wiped out by Foot and mouth, bird flu and SARS and such "
I’m still waiting for the millennium bug

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Don't forget we all got wiped out by Foot and mouth, bird flu and SARS and such I’m still waiting for the millennium bug

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By *ovegames42 OP Man over a year ago

london

"Obviously not "

Mathis virus has over taken sares like usain bolt

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i Andy have been to china a few times with work, people live right on top of each other, eat from the same bowls, using hands etc, the perfect place for a virus to spread, its very different in the west, also alot of the people are very poor, so health care is secondry, its no wander alot of these "killer bugs" start in 3rd world countries, and most stop there.

And remember bird flue etc, we all died from those didnt we! While its very sad, i dont think its the problem to the west that the media are making out. and if it does become more than that then im not sure that is a bad thing, there are far too many people on this small planet, alot of animals are culled to protect the main, sounds harsh and im sure some will jump on me for saying it, but less people in the world can only be a good thing, less pollution, less use of resorces etc. and yes if its me then so be it..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i Andy have been to china a few times with work, people live right on top of each other, eat from the same bowls, using hands etc, the perfect place for a virus to spread, its very different in the west, also alot of the people are very poor, so health care is secondry, its no wander alot of these "killer bugs" start in 3rd world countries, and most stop there.

You ain't wrong. Sadly we are a virus to this earth

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Influenza if statistically far more serious to the population, especially Infuenza type A than the coronavirus.

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By *arlomaleMan over a year ago

darlington

Prostate cancer is killing people every 45 minutes I’m more concerned about statistics like that tbh

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By *aitonelMan over a year ago

Travelling

This is exactly it, the infected rate is high because its origin point is perfect for it to spread. There is a reason the actual infection rate outside of China is still slow. Its going to spread, but it won't spread anything like it has done in China, and even then the infected population compared to the total population is still very low.

Most people who get infected don't need to worry about their own health, they will recover easily. They just need to be vigilant themselves about passing it on to anyone else, especially the very young, old, or weak immune systems.

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By *ovegames42 OP Man over a year ago

london

stop there.

And remember bird flue etc, we all died from

those didnt we! While its very sad, i dont think its the problem to the west that the media are making out. and if it does become more than that then im not sure that is a bad thing, there are far too many people on this small planet, alot of animals are culled to protect the main, sounds harsh and im sure some will jump on me for saying it, but less people in the world can only be a good thing, less pollution, less use of resorces etc. and yes if its me then so be it.."

Well said,

“ nature has a way of balancing itself out”.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

"Just bag up and wear a gas mask and you will be ok.

The virus has a surface contact time of up to ten hours so Hand sanitizers as well as face protection.

Have you people not seen how quickly this has spread around the world and escalating on in daily basis.

There is more to this than the media are meeting on

Yea because the media are always reluctant to start a panic"

Exactly this! Maybe it's climate change's fault as well! Save Greta!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

blimey theres something wrong with the forums today, i was expecting to have people telling me how wrong i was, whats wrong with you people

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

8 out of the 9 people who were infected in the UK have now been discharged from hospital. Chill out people!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A take away near me, the owners are in self quarantine, the world health organisation have sealed the shop up and put a sign on the door. I am worried, but I worry about everything!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"8 out of the 9 people who were infected in the UK have now been discharged from hospital. Chill out people!"

Yay out of hospital to spread it

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

"8 out of the 9 people who were infected in the UK have now been discharged from hospital. Chill out people!

Yay out of hospital to spread it

Lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't know what's worse. People who panic over nothing or people who deny there is a problem when one clearly exists.

No we aren't "all going to die". But so far 15% of cases have ended in fatality. Statistically with a world population of 7.7 billion there is a possibility of 1 billion people losing their lives to this virus. For me this is a reason for concern.

At which point does it stop being a "oh stop making such a fuss" matter?

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

"I don't know what's worse. People who panic over nothing or people who deny there is a problem when one clearly exists.

At which point does it stop being a "oh stop making such a fuss" matter?"

It's fine to be concerned and to take reasonable precautions to protect yourself but some people are totally panicking and causing unnecessary issues.

Remember swine flu? I got it when there was widespread panic over it, instead of acting like a headless chicken, I stayed at home, had telephone advice from a doctor and I survived! Many people died from it, but most of those had underlying health conditions and we're already at risk. Same with coronavirus.

Yes be cautious but don't act like a headless chicken.

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

Were*

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't know what's worse. People who panic over nothing or people who deny there is a problem when one clearly exists.

At which point does it stop being a "oh stop making such a fuss" matter?"

It's not 15% it's closer to 1%

Well over 100 thousand confirmed cases and just over 1000 deaths.

People saying its not worse that flu because there is a vaccination are wrong.

Even with the vaccination the death rate is much higher.

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

Are you related to _ssex_tom by any chance OP?

If not I hear he has a place left in his bunker complete with a spare tinfoil hat - you should contact him

Simple fact of the matter is there is more chance of you getting knocked down by a car than contracting the virus and even if you do the likelihood of you dying from it is between 1% and 2% - hardly something to panic about - there are other diseases and viruses out there with much higher contraction/death rates they're just not as widely reported on so people don't panic about them.

Besides thanks to Brexit we don't have to worry about Europe any more

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't know what's worse. People who panic over nothing or people who deny there is a problem when one clearly exists.

At which point does it stop being a "oh stop making such a fuss" matter?"

Ok now panic people, who's panicking, I'm panicking!

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By *ricksydemonMan over a year ago

llandudno

"A take away near me, the owners are in self quarantine, the world health organisation have sealed the shop up and put a sign on the door. I am worried, but I worry about everything! "

Which one?????

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A take away near me, the owners are in self quarantine, the world health organisation have sealed the shop up and put a sign on the door. I am worried, but I worry about everything!

Which one?????"

Will inbox you now xxx

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By *ricksydemonMan over a year ago

llandudno

"A take away near me, the owners are in self quarantine, the world health organisation have sealed the shop up and put a sign on the door. I am worried, but I worry about everything!

Which one?????

Will inbox you now xxx"

Ok hun

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So i can put my nbc kit back in the loft ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So i can put my nbc kit back in the loft ?

What's one of those?! Sounds like something I might need!!!

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

"So i can put my nbc kit back in the loft ?

What's one of those?! Sounds like something I might need!!!"

Nuclear, biological, chemical suit - used by the military

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By *dsindyTV/TS over a year ago

East Lancashire

"So i can put my nbc kit back in the loft ?

What's one of those?! Sounds like something I might need!!!

Nuclear, biological, chemical suit - used by the military

As the yanks call it......MOPP4...I think, dont quote me and all the usual legal BS.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Did anyone see the article on the daily mail's website about Chinatown being deserted. And even their own notoriously gullible readers filled the comments with 'but you've taken all these pictures at midnight on a Monday night, of course it's empty'... I think that sums up the way certain sections of the media are whipping up paranoia and fear. And of course not forgetting a stock image of a Chinese person wearing a face mask featured in every story.

More people have died of pneumonia this month, this weekend and quite likely this morning in the UK than there are reported cases of Coronavirus in the UK. Forgive me for not worrying just yet

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

"Did anyone see the article on the daily mail's website about Chinatown being deserted. And even their own notoriously gullible readers filled the comments with 'but you've taken all these pictures at midnight on a Monday night, of course it's empty'... I think that sums up the way certain sections of the media are whipping up paranoia and fear. And of course not forgetting a stock image of a Chinese person wearing a face mask featured in every story.

More people have died of pneumonia this month, this weekend and quite likely this morning in the UK than there are reported cases of Coronavirus in the UK. Forgive me for not worrying just yet"

Nicely put BM

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So i can put my nbc kit back in the loft ?

What's one of those?! Sounds like something I might need!!!

Nuclear, biological, chemical suit - used by the military

Not something I can get from Asda then

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By *iss KissWoman over a year ago

near Coventry

Its just one more thing that can kill us. You're going to die. Fact. Stop worrying about what's going to do that and when. You'll give yourself a heart attack!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I don't know what's worse. People who panic over nothing or people who deny there is a problem when one clearly exists.

At which point does it stop being a "oh stop making such a fuss" matter?"

When people start dealing in facts and backing their understanding up with some actual learning.

What is usually posted on here are knee jerk reactions to something someone's 'mate' or 'mum' or the lady in the sweet shop told them.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"So i can put my nbc kit back in the loft ?

What's one of those?! Sounds like something I might need!!!

Nuclear, biological, chemical suit - used by the military

Not something I can get from Asda then

Try middle of Lidl.

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

"So i can put my nbc kit back in the loft ?

What's one of those?! Sounds like something I might need!!!

Nuclear, biological, chemical suit - used by the military

Not something I can get from Asda then

Can't believe I just checked but the popular auction site has them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So i can put my nbc kit back in the loft ?

What's one of those?! Sounds like something I might need!!!

Nuclear, biological, chemical suit - used by the military

Not something I can get from Asda then

Try middle of Lidl."

Tbf Aldi sells everything else

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So i can put my nbc kit back in the loft ?

What's one of those?! Sounds like something I might need!!!

Nuclear, biological, chemical suit - used by the military

Not something I can get from Asda then

Can't believe I just checked but the popular auction site has them

I'm going to look, better safe than sorry!

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple over a year ago

Falkirk

Our work has issued a warning with regards to travel.

It's quite comical as it states "if your are sitting next to someone who is coughing ask to be moved". No shit however what's if it's a full flight.

The second was "employees should consider wearing masks when travelling to other businesses units" when we asked where do get the masks we were told we have to buy our own.

Apparently there is a shortage now.

Well full Romeo 1 it is

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No because we have vaccine for that.

“ the estimation for a corona virus vaccine is at least 18 months”.

So yes I’m worried and concerned."

Well it’s not stopped you meeting so you can’t be that worried.

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By *hatYorkLadMan over a year ago

York

"So i can put my nbc kit back in the loft ?

Think I'd rather be dead than wearing four romeo for extended periods of time, gopping!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So i can put my nbc kit back in the loft ?

Think I'd rather be dead than wearing four romeo for extended periods of time, gopping!"

When training in the 1980’s used to remove the lining out of our Noddy suits, wonder if guys still do that?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So i can put my nbc kit back in the loft ?

Think I'd rather be dead than wearing four romeo for extended periods of time, gopping!

When training in the 1980’s used to remove the lining out of our Noddy suits, wonder if guys still do that? "

I ran 8 miles over those lovely welsh hills wearing it all masked up on my jnco cardre. Pure joy .

Anyway back to the virus. I blame the last labour government.

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

More people have died of pneumonia this month, this weekend and quite likely this morning in the UK than there are reported cases of Coronavirus in the UK. Forgive me for not worrying just yet"

A red letter day for me reading the comments under that article: Daily Mail readers actually not falling for the bullshit and calling the paper out.

I work near St Thomas's and Lewisham hospital is my local, both with corona virus patients...somehow I still can't work up a panic. Didn't for Sars, ebola, bird and swine flu, foot and mouth...someone has a vested interest in keeping us panicked.

The danger is if every "minor" outbreak the CDC, WHO etc issue "danger Will Robinson" warnings and billions don't die, heaven forbid a killer strain of something does have the potential to kill billions we'll just roll our eyes at the boys who called wolf!

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

The latest advice if it takes hold in the UK is to self isolate.. code for stay at home and sweat it out or die..

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple over a year ago

Falkirk

"The latest advice if it takes hold in the UK is to self isolate.. code for stay at home and sweat it out or die.. "

Advice from who?

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"The latest advice if it takes hold in the UK is to self isolate.. code for stay at home and sweat it out or die..

Advice from who? "

The health people

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The latest advice if it takes hold in the UK is to self isolate.. code for stay at home and sweat it out or die.. "

That's not quite true. People that think they may have been exposed are self quarantining which is common sense. Equally they are telling people not to just turn up at a GP surgery or A&E but that is far from uncommon advice either

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

"The latest advice if it takes hold in the UK is to self isolate.. code for stay at home and sweat it out or die.. "

Rather than scaremongering take a read of this which is the official (updated yesterday) UK government advice:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/wuhan-novel-coronavirus-information-for-the-public?gclid=Cj0KCQiA7aPyBRChARIsAJfWCgJ7h-hDMcMB6sdgZDBtMQG6jiw6w-H01Ay_rHNTYtm_gCOL49WLylsaAnr5EALw_wcB

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

I do empathise with people's concerns though.. I am giving crowded areas a wide berth until it settles down. If not this virus then one will soon come that will devestate us. That's nature I suppose..

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple over a year ago

Falkirk

"I do empathise with people's concerns though.. I am giving crowded areas a wide berth until it settles down. If not this virus then one will soon come that will devestate us. That's nature I suppose.."

Yea maybe best stay in your bunker with your tin hat on until the zombie apocalypse is over.

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

Yea maybe best stay in your bunker with your tin hat on until the zombie apocalypse is over.

I don't have a tin hat. Do you think a balaclava and cling film would be OK ?

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple over a year ago

Falkirk

Yea maybe best stay in your bunker with your tin hat on until the zombie apocalypse is over.

I don't have a tin hat. Do you think a balaclava and cling film would be OK ?"

Cling film is acceptable. Balaclavas should have eye holes only.

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By *evil_u_knowMan over a year ago

city

They found one in Brazil recently. Its a virus but does not infect Humans. It infects plancton.

It's so rare and exotic it does not even show up on DNA tests as being a virus. In fact its DNA is so exotic that it comes up on DNA tests as an unknown lifeform. It can even heal itself. It is so different to everything we know it resets our medical knowledge of it to zero, we might not even be able to vaccinate against virus that heal themselves. How could we inject weakened ones into people if they could fix themselves?

Anyway for sure its possible a virus will wipe us out. Plus in the past us all being a bit different helped us. Irish were a bit different to English, who were a bit different to french, who were a bit different to german, etc. Now we are getting so mixed to a virus we will all look the same, meaning finding someone with a genetic defense against it will become harder.

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By *evil_u_knowMan over a year ago

city

"No. Thousands of people die a year I'm the UK from the generic flu, are you worried about that?"

But this new flu would be additional deaths.

So if 10,000 a year die from flu, and this new flu wont be included in that 10,000 it will add thousands to it. It also needs its own vaccine, so the NHS will have to double its flu jabs.

With birth rates so low, some cities like Amsterdam need 38,000 migrants a year to stay standing still, each extra death is hard to take for them. Same is true in areas around UK, some dont have high enough birth rates, extra deaths are hard to compensate for.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are you related to _ssex_tom by any chance OP?

If not I hear he has a place left in his bunker complete with a spare tinfoil hat - you should contact him

Besides thanks to Brexit we don't have to worry about Europe any more

I invite you to do some reading.

Mortality rate is something which only makes any sense once a pandemic is over. It looks at the number of people infected vs the people who died. It's a meaningless figure when you count people who are critically ill as recovered.

A more accurate figure is CFR which put cases recovered vs cases ending in fatality. This is 14%

9865 recovered vs 1671 deaths.

To assume everyone infected will recover and then use that as a statistic, then mock people who use a valid statistic does not demonstrate level headedness.

It seems the NHS approach to the very likely pandemic is to encourage people to stay at home and "self isolate".....

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/coronavirus-uk-london-quarantine-a4363126.html

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

For those interested in the difference in mortality rate and CFR.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/

This is not bird flu.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I can tell you now this isnt the first time a virus will wipe out a shit load of people! its happened before and killed more than world war 1 and world war 2 deaths combined.

only a matter of time!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't know what's worse. People who panic over nothing or people who deny there is a problem when one clearly exists.

At which point does it stop being a "oh stop making such a fuss" matter?

It's not 15% it's closer to 1%

Well over 100 thousand confirmed cases and just over 1000 deaths.

People saying its not worse that flu because there is a vaccination are wrong.

Even with the vaccination the death rate is much higher. "

Here's the stats

11536 cases closed.

9865 recovered (86%)

1671 (14%) deaths

Of 57 750, 46451 in mild condition, 11 299 in critical condition.

Your statistic uses the total number of people infected vs people who have died. What a useless statistic. Even if this virus killed 100% of people it infected you would still have a low mortality rate while the pandemic is in effect, depending on how fast it spreads and how long it takes to kill.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I can tell you now this isnt the first time a virus will wipe out a shit load of people! its happened before and killed more than world war 1 and world war 2 deaths combined.

only a matter of time!

You have to ask this question. If the CFR is 15% while people are still being treated in hospitals, will it become greater or less when hospitals start to overflow and hospital workers themselves become ill?

The Spanish flu killed all those people at a time when travel was not a prevalent as it is today. Also many countries, particularly the USA have been cutting back on hospitals per capita.

Oh and Spanish Flu only had a mortality rate of 2.5..

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

"Are you related to _ssex_tom by any chance OP?

If not I hear he has a place left in his bunker complete with a spare tinfoil hat - you should contact him

Besides thanks to Brexit we don't have to worry about Europe any more

I invite you to do some reading.

A more accurate figure is CFR which put cases recovered vs cases ending in fatality. This is 14%

9865 recovered vs 1671 deaths.

To assume everyone infected will recover and then use that as a statistic, then mock people who use a valid statistic does not demonstrate level headedness.

It seems the NHS approach to the very likely pandemic is to encourage people to stay at home and "self isolate".....

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/coronavirus-uk-london-quarantine-a4363126.html"

Have done plenty of reading and listening thanks and whilst I agree that the mortality rate given currently is subject to change - it is the one being widely quoted currently and therefore stands in it's own right - as usual though the old "lies, lies and damn statistics" adage stands whichever argument you are trying to prove or disprove.

Either way I am sufficiently informed to know that I have nothing to panic about currently or to pay any attention to the scaremongering both here and in the media.

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By *ensualbicockMan over a year ago

liverpool wavertree picton clock

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

"Are you related to _ssex_tom by any chance OP?

If not I hear he has a place left in his bunker complete with a spare tinfoil hat - you should contact him

Besides thanks to Brexit we don't have to worry about Europe any more

I invite you to do some reading.

A more accurate figure is CFR which put cases recovered vs cases ending in fatality. This is 14%

9865 recovered vs 1671 deaths.

To assume everyone infected will recover and then use that as a statistic, then mock people who use a valid statistic does not demonstrate level headedness.

It seems the NHS approach to the very likely pandemic is to encourage people to stay at home and "self isolate".....

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/coronavirus-uk-london-quarantine-a4363126.html"

There are also many people that have it that aren't going for treatment and are recovering at home so that would actually make the amount of people infected far higher.

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By *ink Panther.Woman over a year ago

Preston

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By *orbidden eastMan over a year ago

london dodging electric scooters

Very true and unfortunately yes

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By *ink Panther.Woman over a year ago

Preston

"Are you related to _ssex_tom by any chance OP?

If not I hear he has a place left in his bunker complete with a spare tinfoil hat - you should contact him

Besides thanks to Brexit we don't have to worry about Europe any more

I invite you to do some reading.

A more accurate figure is CFR which put cases recovered vs cases ending in fatality. This is 14%

9865 recovered vs 1671 deaths.

To assume everyone infected will recover and then use that as a statistic, then mock people who use a valid statistic does not demonstrate level headedness.

It seems the NHS approach to the very likely pandemic is to encourage people to stay at home and "self isolate".....

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/coronavirus-uk-london-quarantine-a4363126.html

Have done plenty of reading and listening thanks and whilst I agree that the mortality rate given currently is subject to change - it is the one being widely quoted currently and therefore stands in it's own right - as usual though the old "lies, damn lies and statistics" adage stands whichever argument you are trying to prove or disprove.

Either way I am sufficiently informed to know that I have nothing to panic about currently or to pay any attention to the scaremongering both here and in the media.

FTFY

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Are you related to _ssex_tom by any chance OP?

If not I hear he has a place left in his bunker complete with a spare tinfoil hat - you should contact him

Besides thanks to Brexit we don't have to worry about Europe any more

I invite you to do some reading.

A more accurate figure is CFR which put cases recovered vs cases ending in fatality. This is 14%

9865 recovered vs 1671 deaths.

To assume everyone infected will recover and then use that as a statistic, then mock people who use a valid statistic does not demonstrate level headedness.

It seems the NHS approach to the very likely pandemic is to encourage people to stay at home and "self isolate".....

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/coronavirus-uk-london-quarantine-a4363126.html

There are also many people that have it that aren't going for treatment and are recovering at home so that would actually make the amount of people infected far higher."

What is the statistic on this?

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"I can tell you now this isnt the first time a virus will wipe out a shit load of people! its happened before and killed more than world war 1 and world war 2 deaths combined.

only a matter of time!

The Spanish flu killed all those people at a time when travel was not a prevalent as it is today. Also many countries, particularly the USA have been cutting back on hospitals per capita.

Oh and Spanish Flu only had a mortality rate of 2.5..

An enlightened contribution. Nice to see you back ..

I think it's only natural for people to be worried and those who are concerned are mocked by some. That is sadly natural also. It's human nature for which I forgive..

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By *oreno0969Man over a year ago

Rugby

"No. Thousands of people die a year I'm the UK from the generic flu, are you worried about that?"

I feel exactly the same as you with regards to this. Just shows the news is run by the corporations. Corona virus has been about for years just check your dettol bottles it kills the corona virus. Far to many people scared for no more reason than the common flu. Swine flu one year avian flu another theres always a new epidemic to boost pharmaceutical sales

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I can tell you now this isnt the first time a virus will wipe out a shit load of people! its happened before and killed more than world war 1 and world war 2 deaths combined.

only a matter of time!

The Spanish flu killed all those people at a time when travel was not a prevalent as it is today. Also many countries, particularly the USA have been cutting back on hospitals per capita.

Oh and Spanish Flu only had a mortality rate of 2.5..

An enlightened contribution. Nice to see you back ..

I think it's only natural for people to be worried and those who are concerned are mocked by some. That is sadly natural also. It's human nature for which I forgive..

I don't know why. But it seems there are only two options "running around with your head chopped off" in a blind panic or what's the fuss? No middle ground?

How about here is a thing that could drastically effect most of our lives in the months to come. Why can't we discuss it without taking an extreme view?

Things to consider are:

It it too widespread to contain. Most people are going to get it.

It's airborne so washing hands doesn't protect you.

We have a notoriously insufficient health care system that seems incapable of supporting a busy weekend so it's going to be interesting to see how they handle a pandemic.

Points worth discussing. Or should we do one of those snog, fuck, pass popularity contests that seem more worthy of meaningful discussion?

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple over a year ago

Falkirk

"No. Thousands of people die a year I'm the UK from the generic flu, are you worried about that?

Exactly this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Been reported that there’s a case in Cardiff. That’s too close for me!!

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple over a year ago

Falkirk

"I can tell you now this isnt the first time a virus will wipe out a shit load of people! its happened before and killed more than world war 1 and world war 2 deaths combined.

only a matter of time!

The Spanish flu killed all those people at a time when travel was not a prevalent as it is today. Also many countries, particularly the USA have been cutting back on hospitals per capita.

Oh and Spanish Flu only had a mortality rate of 2.5..

An enlightened contribution. Nice to see you back ..

I think it's only natural for people to be worried and those who are concerned are mocked by some. That is sadly natural also. It's human nature for which I forgive..

I don't know why. But it seems there are only two options "running around with your head chopped off" in a blind panic or what's the fuss? No middle ground?

How about here is a thing that could drastically effect most of our lives in the months to come. Why can't we discuss it without taking an extreme view?

Things to consider are:

It it too widespread to contain. Most people are going to get it.

It's airborne so washing hands doesn't protect you.

We have a notoriously insufficient health care system that seems incapable of supporting a busy weekend so it's going to be interesting to see how they handle a pandemic.

Points worth discussing. Or should we do one of those snog, fuck, pass popularity contests that seem more worthy of meaningful discussion?"

You need to remember this is a minority website and the majority that actually use it don't really care about what's actually said on the forums.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No. Thousands of people die a year I'm the UK from the generic flu, are you worried about that?

Thousands dead by the end of a spread of flu. In a population of 7.7 billion what is that as a percentage? This has over 1000 people dead in the first 30 days.

Why is it called COVID 19? Because it has mutated and become more deadly.

Again. This is not something that has happened and is over. This is something that's just begun.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

Are you saying that this is just the beginning.. ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No. Thousands of people die a year I'm the UK from the generic flu, are you worried about that?

Thousands dead by the end of a spread of flu. In a population of 7.7 billion what is that as a percentage? This has over 1000 people dead in the first 30 days.

Why is it called COVID 19? Because it has mutated and become more deadly.

Again. This is not something that has happened and is over. This is something that's just begun."

Actually the virus stated at the beginning of January and the flu virus kills many more every flu season.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"No. Thousands of people die a year I'm the UK from the generic flu, are you worried about that?

Thousands dead by the end of a spread of flu. In a population of 7.7 billion what is that as a percentage? This has over 1000 people dead in the first 30 days.

Why is it called COVID 19? Because it has mutated and become more deadly.

Again. This is not something that has happened and is over. This is something that's just begun.

Actually the virus stated at the beginning of January and the flu virus kills many more every flu season. "

I thought it was flu ?

Isn't the Corona a flu?

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

On the gov.uk website it states this

Based on the World Health Organization’s declaration that this is a public health emergency of international concern, the UK Chief Medical Officers have raised the risk to the public from low to moderate. This permits the government to plan for all eventualities. The risk to individuals remains low.

See the last sentence? The risk to individuals remains low. The people at risk are those with health conditions already or the very young and very old. Pretty much like most illnesses.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I can tell you now this isnt the first time a virus will wipe out a shit load of people! its happened before and killed more than world war 1 and world war 2 deaths combined.

only a matter of time!

The Spanish flu killed all those people at a time when travel was not a prevalent as it is today. Also many countries, particularly the USA have been cutting back on hospitals per capita.

Oh and Spanish Flu only had a mortality rate of 2.5..

An enlightened contribution. Nice to see you back ..

I think it's only natural for people to be worried and those who are concerned are mocked by some. That is sadly natural also. It's human nature for which I forgive..

I don't know why. But it seems there are only two options "running around with your head chopped off" in a blind panic or what's the fuss? No middle ground?

How about here is a thing that could drastically effect most of our lives in the months to come. Why can't we discuss it without taking an extreme view?

Things to consider are:

It it too widespread to contain. Most people are going to get it.

It's airborne so washing hands doesn't protect you.

We have a notoriously insufficient health care system that seems incapable of supporting a busy weekend so it's going to be interesting to see how they handle a pandemic.

Points worth discussing. Or should we do one of those snog, fuck, pass popularity contests that seem more worthy of meaningful discussion?

You need to remember this is a minority website and the majority that actually use it don't really care about what's actually said on the forums.

Don't I know it. I'm from the other side, you know where people actually meet and have sex. So for me this is a concern.

I appreciate there are those in this forum who are about as much swingers as fish are cyclists. Not judging, just saying this pandemic affects genuine swingers more than shut ins.

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

"I can tell you now this isnt the first time a virus will wipe out a shit load of people! its happened before and killed more than world war 1 and world war 2 deaths combined.

only a matter of time!

The Spanish flu killed all those people at a time when travel was not a prevalent as it is today. Also many countries, particularly the USA have been cutting back on hospitals per capita.

Oh and Spanish Flu only had a mortality rate of 2.5..

An enlightened contribution. Nice to see you back ..

I think it's only natural for people to be worried and those who are concerned are mocked by some. That is sadly natural also. It's human nature for which I forgive..

I don't know why. But it seems there are only two options "running around with your head chopped off" in a blind panic or what's the fuss? No middle ground?

How about here is a thing that could drastically effect most of our lives in the months to come. Why can't we discuss it without taking an extreme view?

Things to consider are:

It it too widespread to contain. Most people are going to get it.

It's airborne so washing hands doesn't protect you.

We have a notoriously insufficient health care system that seems incapable of supporting a busy weekend so it's going to be interesting to see how they handle a pandemic.

Points worth discussing. Or should we do one of those snog, fuck, pass popularity contests that seem more worthy of meaningful discussion?

You need to remember this is a minority website and the majority that actually use it don't really care about what's actually said on the forums.

Don't I know it. I'm from the other side, you know where people actually meet and have sex. So for me this is a concern.

I appreciate there are those in this forum who are about as much swingers as fish are cyclists. Not judging, just saying this pandemic affects genuine swingers more than shut ins.

I go to a swingers club every week and I'm still not freaking out because I'm confident in my own ability to take reasonable precautions to protect myself.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No. Thousands of people die a year I'm the UK from the generic flu, are you worried about that?

Thousands dead by the end of a spread of flu. In a population of 7.7 billion what is that as a percentage? This has over 1000 people dead in the first 30 days.

Why is it called COVID 19? Because it has mutated and become more deadly.

Again. This is not something that has happened and is over. This is something that's just begun.

Actually the virus stated at the beginning of January and the flu virus kills many more every flu season.

I thought it was flu ?

Isn't the Corona a flu?"

No it's otherwise it would be covered by the vaccination.

The symptoms are flu like.

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By *uenevereWoman over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"On the gov.uk website it states this

See the last sentence? The risk to individuals remains low. The people at risk are those with health conditions already or the very young and very old. Pretty much like most illnesses. "

Far too logical and reasonable

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

"On the gov.uk website it states this

See the last sentence? The risk to individuals remains low. The people at risk are those with health conditions already or the very young and very old. Pretty much like most illnesses.

Far too logical and reasonable

I know right

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

I am not sure that the Great Spanish Flu killed mostly the old or vulnerable.

Most deaths were in the 21-30 age group.

The over 40s were affected the least. Really scarey stuff to me.

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

"I am not sure that the Great Spanish Flu killed mostly the old or vulnerable.

Most deaths were in the 21-30 age group.

The over 40s were affected the least. Really scarey stuff to me. "

But this isn't the great Spanish flu

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am not sure that the Great Spanish Flu killed mostly the old or vulnerable.

Most deaths were in the 21-30 age group.

The over 40s were affected the least. Really scarey stuff to me. "

Ok but hygiene and medicine is way more advanced now.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"No. Thousands of people die a year I'm the UK from the generic flu, are you worried about that?

Thousands dead by the end of a spread of flu. In a population of 7.7 billion what is that as a percentage? This has over 1000 people dead in the first 30 days.

Why is it called COVID 19? Because it has mutated and become more deadly.

Again. This is not something that has happened and is over. This is something that's just begun.

Actually the virus stated at the beginning of January and the flu virus kills many more every flu season.

I thought it was flu ?

Isn't the Corona a flu?

No it's otherwise it would be covered by the vaccination.

The symptoms are flu like. "

Corona is more like pneumonia. Even if it was flu it wouldn't be covered by the current vaccination because that contains specific strains of flu virus that are most likely to be prevalent this winter.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"On the gov.uk website it states this

See the last sentence? The risk to individuals remains low. The people at risk are those with health conditions already or the very young and very old. Pretty much like most illnesses. "

Do you see the band still playing? The deck is tilting but everything is fine.

The government? The guys who spent a fortune one warning us about Brexit changes on 31 October when it was impossible for it to occur? Those guys?

Now look at the real world.

73 airlines have cancelled their flights to China. Just like every flu season?

There's a cruise ship in lockdown. Standard procedure for when someone gets the flu right?

Companies like LG are pulling out of trade shows. The global economy is being affected .... just like everyone gets a cold.

We think we are safe because we are banning flights from China. But this virus is in 29 countries. So how does that work?

To contain an outbreak with just a few people is almost impossible. You need to trace everyone that person came into contact with before they became infectious. With over 60 000 people. Impossible.

Just the weak and fragile huh? Good thing we don't have a high percentage of boomers...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am not sure that the Great Spanish Flu killed mostly the old or vulnerable.

Most deaths were in the 21-30 age group.

The over 40s were affected the least. Really scarey stuff to me.

Ok but hygiene and medicine is way more advanced now.

Then why have 14% of closed cases been fatal?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Two days ago a plane travelling from San Francisco was on lockdown because a passenger was suspected of having coronavirus. As they do for any other flight if a passenger has a cold.....

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By *ools and the brainCouple over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

It's how contagious it is that's the real issue.

Imagine how quickly overrun the NHS would become once it gets hold.

Now think about the fact that normally people who have a similar illness would be treated and all fine,but due to lack of staff, facilities and funding hundreds of people would fail to get treated, suddenly people are dying from what is seemingly a minor thing but as we have struggled to contain norovirus ,why would coronavirus be any different with the outcome being far more deadly.

Have you ever been into a nursing home?

These places are basically heaven for a virus like coronavirus and it would absolutely wipe out entire communities as there's currently no vaccine!!

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"I am not sure that the Great Spanish Flu killed mostly the old or vulnerable.

Most deaths were in the 21-30 age group.

The over 40s were affected the least. Really scarey stuff to me.

But this isn't the great Spanish flu

No, but a mutation or two away. That's my worry.. if not this year or next year then soon in my mind

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am not sure that the Great Spanish Flu killed mostly the old or vulnerable.

Most deaths were in the 21-30 age group.

The over 40s were affected the least. Really scarey stuff to me.

Ok but hygiene and medicine is way more advanced now.

Then why have 14% of closed cases been fatal?"

They haven't. It's between 1and 2%

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

I don't know why. But it seems there are only two options "running around with your head chopped off" in a blind panic or what's the fuss? No middle ground?

How about here is a thing that could drastically effect most of our lives in the months to come. Why can't we discuss it without taking an extreme view?

Things to consider are:

It it too widespread to contain. Most people are going to get it.

It's airborne so washing hands doesn't protect you.

We have a notoriously insufficient health care system that seems incapable of supporting a busy weekend so it's going to be interesting to see how they handle a pandemic.

Points worth discussing. Or should we do one of those snog, fuck, pass popularity contests that seem more worthy of meaningful discussion?"

I think you'll find the middle ground is fairly close to those of us that say "what's the fuss?" as opposed to the headless chickens that appear to be expecting some kind of viral armageddon - if you actually look at my posts on this across the various scaremongering threads that have popped up, I've said it's a concern several times but not a big enough concern to get in a blind panic and start scaremongering for, which certain people have been doing.

Whichever way you want to interpret the statistics it's an undeniable fact that the chances of you or I coming into contact with it *currently* are extremely minimal - measures are being taken to contain it and keep it that way and whilst the threat level remains moderate then I shall maintain my "what's the fuss?" stance - fact remains that there are other far bigger threats out there, common flu, the virus in the middle east and several others - but because they're not "de rigeur" they're barely mentioned by the media in the way that this one is.

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

"On the gov.uk website it states this

See the last sentence? The risk to individuals remains low. The people at risk are those with health conditions already or the very young and very old. Pretty much like most illnesses.

Do you see the band still playing? The deck is tilting but everything is fine.

The government? The guys who spent a fortune one warning us about Brexit changes on 31 October when it was impossible for it to occur? Those guys?

Now look at the real world.

73 airlines have cancelled their flights to China. Just like every flu season?

There's a cruise ship in lockdown. Standard procedure for when someone gets the flu right?

Companies like LG are pulling out of trade shows. The global economy is being affected .... just like everyone gets a cold.

We think we are safe because we are banning flights from China. But this virus is in 29 countries. So how does that work?

To contain an outbreak with just a few people is almost impossible. You need to trace everyone that person came into contact with before they became infectious. With over 60 000 people. Impossible.

Just the weak and fragile huh? Good thing we don't have a high percentage of boomers...

You know what, you sit in your house and hoard supplies, I'll carry on living my life like a sensible adult who will take reasonable precautions without turning into a headless chicken.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am not sure that the Great Spanish Flu killed mostly the old or vulnerable.

Most deaths were in the 21-30 age group.

The over 40s were affected the least. Really scarey stuff to me.

Ok but hygiene and medicine is way more advanced now.

Then why have 14% of closed cases been fatal?

They haven't. It's between 1and 2%"

So these guys are lying then?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

I haven't seen any scaremongers of chickens without heads.. I have seen concern and the usual dismissive comments from those pull yourself together types..

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

"I haven't seen any scaremongers of chickens without heads.. I have seen concern and the usual dismissive comments from those pull yourself together types..

You are one of the chief scaremongers

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By *ilverfox2936Man over a year ago

Prescot

To put Covid-19 into context:

Flu has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.

This is a sniffle in comparison.

And to answer an earlier question of it being called Covid-19. It stands for COrona VIrus Disease, the 19 refers to the year of the first identified case.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"I haven't seen any scaremongers of chickens without heads.. I have seen concern and the usual dismissive comments from those pull yourself together types..

You are one of the chief scaremongers "

I am just worried Keeley

I worry

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

"I haven't seen any scaremongers of chickens without heads.. I have seen concern and the usual dismissive comments from those pull yourself together types..

You are one of the chief scaremongers

I am just worried Keeley

I worry "

You're going to do yourself some damage with all the stress.

Honestly, this really isn't as bad as you think it is.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"I haven't seen any scaremongers of chickens without heads.. I have seen concern and the usual dismissive comments from those pull yourself together types..

You are one of the chief scaremongers

I am just worried Keeley

I worry

You're going to do yourself some damage with all the stress.

Honestly, this really isn't as bad as you think it is. "

It's the mutation that worries me..

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

"I haven't seen any scaremongers of chickens without heads.. I have seen concern and the usual dismissive comments from those pull yourself together types..

You are one of the chief scaremongers

I am just worried Keeley

I worry

You're going to do yourself some damage with all the stress.

Honestly, this really isn't as bad as you think it is.

It's the mutation that worries me.. "

It sounds like everything worries you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I haven't seen any scaremongers of chickens without heads.. I have seen concern and the usual dismissive comments from those pull yourself together types..

You are one of the chief scaremongers "

Non scare mongerer Thabo Mbeki did his bit in preventing panic in South Africa denying that HIV/Aids was a problem. In fact he denied it existed and rejected offers of free drugs and grants. What a cool guy! Today some 5.5 million people, 18% of the adult population of South Africa have HIV/Aids..... because the government said...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/26/aids-south-africa

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

"I haven't seen any scaremongers of chickens without heads.. I have seen concern and the usual dismissive comments from those pull yourself together types..

You are one of the chief scaremongers

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/26/aids-south-africa

That's nothing to do with coronavirus. Stop trying to spread panic and unrest, it causes more problems than the actual illness does.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Shock, horror. Old person dies of flu. I'm off to the nuclear bunker while this blows over.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I haven't seen any scaremongers of chickens without heads.. I have seen concern and the usual dismissive comments from those pull yourself together types..

You are one of the chief scaremongers

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/26/aids-south-africa

That's nothing to do with coronavirus. Stop trying to spread panic and unrest, it causes more problems than the actual illness does. "

It's the same attitude. Stick your head in the sand and hope for the best. And anyone who doesn't do the same is a scaremonger.

That's an news article on how a government lied about a pandemic and made it worse. How is that not relevant.

I post a link to official numbers on actual statistics and that is trying to cause panic? You say my numbers are false but when I post you a link to official statistics you deflect.

Again. Are those statistics false?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Shock, horror. Old person dies of flu. I'm off to the nuclear bunker while this blows over."

Of course. It has no be one extreme or the other, right.

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple over a year ago

Falkirk

"I haven't seen any scaremongers of chickens without heads.. I have seen concern and the usual dismissive comments from those pull yourself together types..

You are one of the chief scaremongers

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/26/aids-south-africa

What the hell has this got to do with the topic.

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple over a year ago

Falkirk

If we are talking statistics, 8 people out of the 33426 currently online fab are flapping about this.

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

"I haven't seen any scaremongers of chickens without heads.. I have seen concern and the usual dismissive comments from those pull yourself together types..

You are one of the chief scaremongers

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/26/aids-south-africa

That's nothing to do with coronavirus. Stop trying to spread panic and unrest, it causes more problems than the actual illness does.

It's the same attitude. Stick your head in the sand and hope for the best. And anyone who doesn't do the same is a scaremonger.

That's an news article on how a government lied about a pandemic and made it worse. How is that not relevant.

I post a link to official numbers on actual statistics and that is trying to cause panic? You say my numbers are false but when I post you a link to official statistics you deflect.

Again. Are those statistics false?"

I haven't said anything about any numbers being false at all. You're posting statistics now that have nothing to do with the current situation, you're just trying to cause panic.

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By *nSeeNMan over a year ago

Z'ha'dum

"No because we have vaccine for that.

“ the estimation for a corona virus vaccine is at least 18 months”.

So yes I’m worried and concerned."

That maybe but the World Health Organisation estimates that flu kills between 250,000 and 500,000 people around the world every year.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Corona virus is no more dangerous than any other annual respiratory virus. I remember watching flu progress across the globe in 1993, until I caught it, right on the western edge of Europe. Nobody panicked or blamed ethnic groups then. What's dangerous is people's reaction to it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am not sure that the Great Spanish Flu killed mostly the old or vulnerable.

Most deaths were in the 21-30 age group.

The over 40s were affected the least. Really scarey stuff to me.

Ok but hygiene and medicine is way more advanced now.

Then why have 14% of closed cases been fatal?

They haven't. It's between 1and 2%

So these guys are lying then?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

THIS is about coronavirus.

Are these guys lying?

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Corona virus is no more dangerous than any other annual respiratory virus. I remember watching flu progress across the globe in 1993, until I caught it, right on the western edge of Europe. Nobody panicked or blamed ethnic groups then. What's dangerous is people's reaction to it. "

I don't think anybody has blamed ethnic groups to be fair..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I haven't seen any scaremongers of chickens without heads.. I have seen concern and the usual dismissive comments from those pull yourself together types..

You are one of the chief scaremongers

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/26/aids-south-africa

That's nothing to do with coronavirus. Stop trying to spread panic and unrest, it causes more problems than the actual illness does.

It's the same attitude. Stick your head in the sand and hope for the best. And anyone who doesn't do the same is a scaremonger.

That's an news article on how a government lied about a pandemic and made it worse. How is that not relevant.

I post a link to official numbers on actual statistics and that is trying to cause panic? You say my numbers are false but when I post you a link to official statistics you deflect.

Again. Are those statistics false?

I haven't said anything about any numbers being false at all. You're posting statistics now that have nothing to do with the current situation, you're just trying to cause panic. "

Why would I want to do that?

You quote a number which is misleading in term of the severity of this virus. I point out how this is misleading. You then accuse me of trying to cause panic?

Either my statistics are wrong or my maths is bad. Or you are wrong.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I haven't seen any scaremongers of chickens without heads.. I have seen concern and the usual dismissive comments from those pull yourself together types..

You are one of the chief scaremongers

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/26/aids-south-africa

What the hell has this got to do with the topic.

We are talking about government information available to the public. If you can't see the relevance I'm sorry. Got crayons and paper?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If we are talking statistics, 8 people out of the 33426 currently online fab are flapping about this. "

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By *ilverfox2936Man over a year ago

Prescot

From that same site, 62,063 people have died from seasonal flu in the same time period. Currently, there is 3714% more chance of dying from flu than Covid-19.

I hope everyone remembered to have their flu jab.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If we are talking statistics, 8 people out of the 33426 currently online fab are flapping about this.

Statistically 8 people on fab think 1671/11554 is not 1%.

Apparently correcting the maths is attempting to cause a riot.

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

"I haven't seen any scaremongers of chickens without heads.. I have seen concern and the usual dismissive comments from those pull yourself together types..

You are one of the chief scaremongers

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/26/aids-south-africa

What the hell has this got to do with the topic.

We are talking about government information available to the public. If you can't see the relevance I'm sorry. Got crayons and paper?"

No need for rudeness!!

And there's a world of difference between HIV and this virus for starters - so there's little relevance from that perspective.

The South African government may well have suppressed news about HIV, whereas I don't see any news about Coronavirus being suppressed, in fact the wealth of experts being trotted out to discuss it openly, and the measures being taken to th and contain it suggest quite the opposite - so again little relevance to trying to somehow use HIV to make any kind of point.

As I said earlier I shall remain in the "what's the fuss?" camp from an informed, non-conspiracy theorist, non-scaremongering perspective until "experts" tell me otherwise - and by expert I mean those qualified to comment such as virologists and healthcare professionals and not someone on an internet forum - if you have a different view for yourself then that is of course your right.

I just think the wild scaremongering being done by some serves no purpose and is based on very few facts and mostly ridiculous conjecture from a position of knowing very little - credit to you for at least providing some statistics and reasoning to try and back up your position, even if I personally don't fully agree with it.

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

"I haven't seen any scaremongers of chickens without heads.. I have seen concern and the usual dismissive comments from those pull yourself together types..

You are one of the chief scaremongers

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/26/aids-south-africa

That's nothing to do with coronavirus. Stop trying to spread panic and unrest, it causes more problems than the actual illness does.

It's the same attitude. Stick your head in the sand and hope for the best. And anyone who doesn't do the same is a scaremonger.

That's an news article on how a government lied about a pandemic and made it worse. How is that not relevant.

I post a link to official numbers on actual statistics and that is trying to cause panic? You say my numbers are false but when I post you a link to official statistics you deflect.

Again. Are those statistics false?

I haven't said anything about any numbers being false at all. You're posting statistics now that have nothing to do with the current situation, you're just trying to cause panic.

Why would I want to do that?

You quote a number which is misleading in term of the severity of this virus. I point out how this is misleading. You then accuse me of trying to cause panic?

Either my statistics are wrong or my maths is bad. Or you are wrong."

Please show me where I've quoted a number.

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

"I haven't seen any scaremongers of chickens without heads.. I have seen concern and the usual dismissive comments from those pull yourself together types..

You are one of the chief scaremongers

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/26/aids-south-africa

What the hell has this got to do with the topic.

We are talking about government information available to the public. If you can't see the relevance I'm sorry. Got crayons and paper?"

No, we are talking about coronavirus, you know, the title of the thread is a dead giveaway.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I haven't seen any scaremongers of chickens without heads.. I have seen concern and the usual dismissive comments from those pull yourself together types..

You are one of the chief scaremongers

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/26/aids-south-africa

What the hell has this got to do with the topic.

We are talking about government information available to the public. If you can't see the relevance I'm sorry. Got crayons and paper?

No need for rudeness!!

And there's a world of difference between HIV and this virus for starters - so there's little relevance from that perspective.

Rudeness begets rudeness. I prefer things civil bit if people want to take things there...

I see no difference between the SA government denying the existence of HIV and gov UK declaring COV 19 low risk whilst simultaneously withdrawing diplomatic staff, and baring flights from China.

I have, however witnessed the queues at the cemeteries from people dying from the the aids pandemic, a pandemic which could have been a lot less severe if people were kept informed instead of limiting panic.

There are people here saying that this is no different to the snuffles but clearly the action being taken surrounding known cases is far more than the snuffles warrant.

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

"I haven't seen any scaremongers of chickens without heads.. I have seen concern and the usual dismissive comments from those pull yourself together types..

You are one of the chief scaremongers

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/26/aids-south-africa

What the hell has this got to do with the topic.

We are talking about government information available to the public. If you can't see the relevance I'm sorry. Got crayons and paper?

No need for rudeness!!

And there's a world of difference between HIV and this virus for starters - so there's little relevance from that perspective.

Rudeness begets rudeness. I prefer things civil bit if people want to take things there...

I see no difference between the SA government denying the existence of HIV and gov UK declaring COV 19 low risk whilst simultaneously withdrawing diplomatic staff, and baring flights from China.

There are people here saying that this is no different to the snuffles but clearly the action being taken surrounding known cases is far more than the snuffles warrant."

The only person being rude is you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I haven't seen any scaremongers of chickens without heads.. I have seen concern and the usual dismissive comments from those pull yourself together types..

You are one of the chief scaremongers

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/26/aids-south-africa

What the hell has this got to do with the topic.

We are talking about government information available to the public. If you can't see the relevance I'm sorry. Got crayons and paper?

No, we are talking about coronavirus, you know, the title of the thread is a dead giveaway. "

It wasn't me who brought government involvement into the argument.

If you want to use government releases as a counterargument then it is my perogative to provide an example where government understatement has exacerbated the problem.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

The comparison by MCN is not about the disease but about suppression of information by the State in my interpretation. I think it's valid that governments do not want to alarm and those stating that information is widely available are those who were accusing the Chinese government of secrecy in previous threads.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I haven't seen any scaremongers of chickens without heads.. I have seen concern and the usual dismissive comments from those pull yourself together types..

You are one of the chief scaremongers

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/26/aids-south-africa

What the hell has this got to do with the topic.

We are talking about government information available to the public. If you can't see the relevance I'm sorry. Got crayons and paper?

No need for rudeness!!

And there's a world of difference between HIV and this virus for starters - so there's little relevance from that perspective.

Rudeness begets rudeness. I prefer things civil bit if people want to take things there...

I see no difference between the SA government denying the existence of HIV and gov UK declaring COV 19 low risk whilst simultaneously withdrawing diplomatic staff, and baring flights from China.

There are people here saying that this is no different to the snuffles but clearly the action being taken surrounding known cases is far more than the snuffles warrant.

The only person being rude is you. "

If disagreeing with you is rude then I guess I'm rude.

Of course accusing a person of trying to cause panic and unrest isn't rude at all. Nothing insulting about that at all.

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

"I haven't seen any scaremongers of chickens without heads.. I have seen concern and the usual dismissive comments from those pull yourself together types..

You are one of the chief scaremongers

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/26/aids-south-africa

What the hell has this got to do with the topic.

We are talking about government information available to the public. If you can't see the relevance I'm sorry. Got crayons and paper?

No need for rudeness!!

And there's a world of difference between HIV and this virus for starters - so there's little relevance from that perspective.

Rudeness begets rudeness. I prefer things civil bit if people want to take things there...

I see no difference between the SA government denying the existence of HIV and gov UK declaring COV 19 low risk whilst simultaneously withdrawing diplomatic staff, and baring flights from China."

There's a huge difference - one is deliberate denial of fact the other is sensible moves to contain a virus and thereby try and prevent it's spread.

Like I said if you want to continue to follow conspiracy theorist beliefs that's your prerogative, just as it is the prerogative of those of us that choose to see it as just that and not be unduly concerned about this current virus.

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple over a year ago

Falkirk

"If we are talking statistics, 8 people out of the 33426 currently online fab are flapping about this.

Statistically 8 people on fab think 1671/11554 is not 1%.

Apparently correcting the maths is attempting to cause a riot.

Who said that it was 1%. I didn't.

I said out of the 33426 only 8 actually give a fuck.

Clearly the majority of people disagree with your opinion.

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

The only person being rude is you.

If disagreeing with you is rude then I guess I'm rude.

Of course accusing a person of trying to cause panic and unrest isn't rude at all. Nothing insulting about that at all."

It wasn't intended as an insult, it was intended to make you think about how your posts are coming across.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"If we are talking statistics, 8 people out of the 33426 currently online fab are flapping about this.

Statistically 8 people on fab think 1671/11554 is not 1%.

Apparently correcting the maths is attempting to cause a riot.

Who said that it was 1%. I didn't.

I said out of the 33426 only 8 actually give a fuck.

Clearly the majority of people disagree with your opinion.

Which does not make them right and foul language is not helping ..

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

And to fair, and I may be wrong, that MCN previously shared that he is on the autistic spectrum which helps me to understand how he reasons and states his posts. No offence MCN

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple over a year ago

Falkirk

"If we are talking statistics, 8 people out of the 33426 currently online fab are flapping about this.

Statistically 8 people on fab think 1671/11554 is not 1%.

Apparently correcting the maths is attempting to cause a riot.

Who said that it was 1%. I didn't.

I said out of the 33426 only 8 actually give a fuck.

Clearly the majority of people disagree with your opinion.

Which does not make them right and foul language is not helping .."

Sorry my apologies for using such profanity.

So they are not right because they disagree with you?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I haven't seen any scaremongers of chickens without heads.. I have seen concern and the usual dismissive comments from those pull yourself together types..

You are one of the chief scaremongers

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/26/aids-south-africa

What the hell has this got to do with the topic.

We are talking about government information available to the public. If you can't see the relevance I'm sorry. Got crayons and paper?

No need for rudeness!!

And there's a world of difference between HIV and this virus for starters - so there's little relevance from that perspective.

Rudeness begets rudeness. I prefer things civil bit if people want to take things there...

I see no difference between the SA government denying the existence of HIV and gov UK declaring COV 19 low risk whilst simultaneously withdrawing diplomatic staff, and baring flights from China.

There's a huge difference - one is deliberate denial of fact the other is sensible moves to contain a virus and thereby try and prevent it's spread.

Conspiracy theorist hey?

Alright then what does 1671/11554 come to when you are not a conspiracy nut like myself. Still 1%m

But to counter this argument the government says risk is low. Well can't argue with those figures....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No because we have vaccine for that.

“ the estimation for a corona virus vaccine is at least 18 months”.

So yes I’m worried and concerned."

Theres no vaccine for flu.

The flu jab that is given out only protects against certain (more popular strains) hence why you have to have it every year because flus change and mutate all the time.

Its impossible to vaccinate again all flus because there are so many types.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

*against

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The only person being rude is you.

If disagreeing with you is rude then I guess I'm rude.

Of course accusing a person of trying to cause panic and unrest isn't rude at all. Nothing insulting about that at all.

It wasn't intended as an insult, it was intended to make you think about how your posts are coming across. "

Of course not. I'm sure you meant that I'm a twisted sicko in the nicest possible way.

However if you are worried about scaremongers out to cause panic, you should get hold of Netflix with stupid doctors who are clearly just alarmists (as well as experts in their fields) discussing our preparedness for a woldwide pandemic. Now those guys will scare the hell out of anyone.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/02/15/exclusive-millions-told-stay-home-coronavirus-continues-spread/

Newspapers. Such scaremongerers! How can they be allowed to create this hysteria. The government has already said pah it's nothing. The sniffles.

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple over a year ago

Falkirk

Your right the newspapers are always correct.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Don't forget we all got wiped out by Foot and mouth, bird flu and SARS and such "
i said exactly this to my daughter a few days ago

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By *xXgemmaXxXCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/02/15/exclusive-millions-told-stay-home-coronavirus-continues-spread/

Newspapers. Such scaremongerers! How can they be allowed to create this hysteria. The government has already said pah it's nothing. The sniffles. "

Tbf the newspaper article states “if” the virus continues to spread as in cases of infection reach the 100s. I’m normally a worrier however I’m not overly concerned about this. Maybe I should be but right now aside from scrupulous hygiene there’s not a lot else I can do to control this situation so in my opinion stressing out about it is pointless

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No. Thousands of people die a year I'm the UK from the generic flu, are you worried about that?"

Spot on. Average deaths in England alone, over last 5 'seasons' of flu was about 17000. Min 1800 max 28000. This outbreak seems quite innocuous. I just wonder what they're keeping from us..

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

The only person being rude is you.

If disagreeing with you is rude then I guess I'm rude.

Of course accusing a person of trying to cause panic and unrest isn't rude at all. Nothing insulting about that at all.

It wasn't intended as an insult, it was intended to make you think about how your posts are coming across.

Of course not. I'm sure you meant that I'm a twisted sicko in the nicest possible way.

Please do not put words in my mouth, at no point did I imply anything of the sort. I'm backing out of this debate now, I refuse to be dragged into your name calling nonsense.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If we are talking statistics, 8 people out of the 33426 currently online fab are flapping about this.

Statistically 8 people on fab think 1671/11554 is not 1%.

Apparently correcting the maths is attempting to cause a riot.

Who said that it was 1%. I didn't.

I said out of the 33426 only 8 actually give a fuck.

Clearly the majority of people disagree with your opinion.

"Then why have 14% of closed cases been fatal?

They haven't. It's between 1and 2%"

So these guys are lying then?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/"

It's a misuse of statistics.

I'm am arguing against the "mortality rate" being used as an indicator of how lethal this is because it measures the ration of people infected vs people who have died. It assumes that all those infected who have not died will live which is clearly not the case.

Pointing this out is some kind of an evil plot to cause panic and unrest and makes one a conspiracy theorist.

Bottom line. Just because a person has not died from a disease does not make them cured and cannot be considered cured in statistical analysis. Sorry if this is offensive to some.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The only person being rude is you.

If disagreeing with you is rude then I guess I'm rude.

Of course accusing a person of trying to cause panic and unrest isn't rude at all. Nothing insulting about that at all.

It wasn't intended as an insult, it was intended to make you think about how your posts are coming across.

Of course not. I'm sure you meant that I'm a twisted sicko in the nicest possible way.

Please do not put words in my mouth, at no point did I imply anything of the sort. I'm backing out of this debate now, I refuse to be dragged into your name calling nonsense. "

Where have I been name calling?

Backing out might be a good idea. Accusing someone of trying to stir unrest and panic is not a nice thing to say when all they are doing is pointing out nothing more than official stats.

If you come back with some information that proves me wrong then by all means I am always open to learn new things.

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"If we are talking statistics, 8 people out of the 33426 currently online fab are flapping about this. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"More people have died of pneumonia this month, this weekend and quite likely this morning in the UK than there are reported cases of Coronavirus in the UK. Forgive me for not worrying just yet"

Exactly! It nearly killed me two years ago! That scares me more than all these Viruses.... Most are carried by birds as well as humans, so quarantine is a waste of space.

I don’t think about it, I don’t even watch the news anymore, it’s too much.

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

"If we are talking statistics, 8 people out of the 33426 currently online fab are flapping about this.

Statistically 8 people on fab think 1671/11554 is not 1%.

Apparently correcting the maths is attempting to cause a riot.

Who said that it was 1%. I didn't.

I said out of the 33426 only 8 actually give a fuck.

Clearly the majority of people disagree with your opinion.

"Then why have 14% of closed cases been fatal?

They haven't. It's between 1and 2%"

So these guys are lying then?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/"

It's a misuse of statistics.

Pointing this out is some kind of an evil plot to cause panic and unrest and makes one a conspiracy theorist.

Bottom line. Just because a person has not died from a disease does not make them cured and cannot be considered cured in statistical analysis. Sorry if this is offensive to some."

Or looked at another way using *your* statistics (which have been taken from an unaccredited website) 86% of closed cases have been non-fatal - which paints the same picture a somewhat different way.

It's also arguable that those figures hold little validity as we don't know what the final outcome will be - neither statistic is perfect.

I'll take my chances of those provided by an accredited and official world body though (World Health Organisation) over a company whose own "about us" says it uses averages and data mining as the source for its statistics - the latest SitRep of the WHO indicates:

50580 laboratory-confirmed cases globally

50054 in China (1524 deaths)

526 Rest Of World (2 deaths)

So whichever way you choose to carve up the statistics - the undeniable fact remains it is still overwhelmingly mainly limited to China and hardly at pandemic status.

As I've said several times it's concern, of course it is, is it a reason to panic and make Private Fraser-esque "we're doomed" proclamations? Not at all

I have more chance of meeting the Queen and getting knocked down by a car in the same day than I do of coming into contact with it.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

Most of the don't panic merchants are in my opinion the first to panic..

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

"Most of the don't panic merchants are in my opinion the first to panic.. "

Eh? How does that one work?

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple over a year ago

Falkirk

"Most of the don't panic merchants are in my opinion the first to panic.. "

Oh absolutely in your opinion.

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

"Most of the don't panic merchants are in my opinion the first to panic.. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No. Thousands of people die a year I'm the UK from the generic flu, are you worried about that?

Exactly this.

Yeah people are scared, I'm not scared for myself no. But my mum and dad are elderly, they no longer just get colds they get flu. They have also had pneumonia nearly kill them. I also worry for my sister who is pregnant with my niece or nephew. My children! They are also in the vulnerable age group. So yeah, its pretty high stake. When something like this happens, my first instinct is about the people I love who could get ill.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If we are talking statistics, 8 people out of the 33426 currently online fab are flapping about this.

Statistically 8 people on fab think 1671/11554 is not 1%.

Apparently correcting the maths is attempting to cause a riot.

Who said that it was 1%. I didn't.

I said out of the 33426 only 8 actually give a fuck.

Clearly the majority of people disagree with your opinion.

"Then why have 14% of closed cases been fatal?

They haven't. It's between 1and 2%"

So these guys are lying then?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/"

It's a misuse of statistics.

Pointing this out is some kind of an evil plot to cause panic and unrest and makes one a conspiracy theorist.

Bottom line. Just because a person has not died from a disease does not make them cured and cannot be considered cured in statistical analysis. Sorry if this is offensive to some.

Or looked at another way using *your* statistics (which have been taken from an unaccredited website) 86% of closed cases have been non-fatal - which paints the same picture a somewhat different way.

It's also arguable that those figures hold little validity as we don't know what the final outcome will be - neither statistic is perfect.

50580 laboratory-confirmed cases globally

50054 in China (1524 deaths)

526 Rest Of World (2 deaths)

So whichever way you choose to carve up the statistics - the undeniable fact remains it is still overwhelmingly mainly limited to China and hardly at pandemic status.

As I've said several times it's concern, of course it is, is it a reason to panic and make Private Fraser-esque "we're doomed" proclamations? Not at all

I have more chance of meeting the Queen and getting knocked down by a car in the same day than I do of coming into contact with it.

I'd watch out if I were you,rumour has it prince Philip is driving again?

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

Bit unsure. Is corona virus an influenza ?

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By *ovegames42 OP Man over a year ago

london

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If we are talking statistics, 8 people out of the 33426 currently online fab are flapping about this.

Statistically 8 people on fab think 1671/11554 is not 1%.

Apparently correcting the maths is attempting to cause a riot.

Who said that it was 1%. I didn't.

I said out of the 33426 only 8 actually give a fuck.

Clearly the majority of people disagree with your opinion.

"Then why have 14% of closed cases been fatal?

They haven't. It's between 1and 2%"

So these guys are lying then?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/"

It's a misuse of statistics.

Pointing this out is some kind of an evil plot to cause panic and unrest and makes one a conspiracy theorist.

Bottom line. Just because a person has not died from a disease does not make them cured and cannot be considered cured in statistical analysis. Sorry if this is offensive to some.

Or looked at another way using *your* statistics (which have been taken from an unaccredited website) 86% of closed cases have been non-fatal - which paints the same picture a somewhat different way.

It's also arguable that those figures hold little validity as we don't know what the final outcome will be - neither statistic is perfect.

50580 laboratory-confirmed cases globally

50054 in China (1524 deaths)

526 Rest Of World (2 deaths)

So whichever way you choose to carve up the statistics - the undeniable fact remains it is still overwhelmingly mainly limited to China and hardly at pandemic status.

As I've said several times it's concern, of course it is, is it a reason to panic and make Private Fraser-esque "we're doomed" proclamations? Not at all

I have more chance of meeting the Queen and getting knocked down by a car in the same day than I do of coming into contact with it.

Where have I said panic? Where?

If someone quotes a global survivsl rate of 1 to 2% so its ok..... I'm going to point out that it's actually 14% and that a 2.5% mortality rate killed 50 million with the Spanish Flu.

People are saying that our medicine is better but when hospitals are overflowing and you never get to see a doctor.... medicine is irrelevant.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"If we are talking statistics, 8 people out of the 33426 currently online fab are flapping about this.

Statistically 8 people on fab think 1671/11554 is not 1%.

Apparently correcting the maths is attempting to cause a riot.

Who said that it was 1%. I didn't.

I said out of the 33426 only 8 actually give a fuck.

Clearly the majority of people disagree with your opinion.

"Then why have 14% of closed cases been fatal?

They haven't. It's between 1and 2%"

So these guys are lying then?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/"

It's a misuse of statistics.

Pointing this out is some kind of an evil plot to cause panic and unrest and makes one a conspiracy theorist.

Bottom line. Just because a person has not died from a disease does not make them cured and cannot be considered cured in statistical analysis. Sorry if this is offensive to some.

Or looked at another way using *your* statistics (which have been taken from an unaccredited website) 86% of closed cases have been non-fatal - which paints the same picture a somewhat different way.

It's also arguable that those figures hold little validity as we don't know what the final outcome will be - neither statistic is perfect.

50580 laboratory-confirmed cases globally

50054 in China (1524 deaths)

526 Rest Of World (2 deaths)

So whichever way you choose to carve up the statistics - the undeniable fact remains it is still overwhelmingly mainly limited to China and hardly at pandemic status.

As I've said several times it's concern, of course it is, is it a reason to panic and make Private Fraser-esque "we're doomed" proclamations? Not at all

I have more chance of meeting the Queen and getting knocked down by a car in the same day than I do of coming into contact with it.

Where have I said panic? Where?

If someone quotes a global survivsl rate of 1 to 2% so its ok..... I'm going to point out that it's actually 14% and that a 2.5% mortality rate killed 50 million with the Spanish Flu.

People are saying that our medicine is better but when hospitals are overflowing and you never get to see a doctor.... medicine is irrelevant. "

Do you think there will be enough beds if the virus causes pneumonia ?

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By *emini ManMan over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

"If we are talking statistics, 8 people out of the 33426 currently online fab are flapping about this.

Statistically 8 people on fab think 1671/11554 is not 1%.

Apparently correcting the maths is attempting to cause a riot.

Who said that it was 1%. I didn't.

I said out of the 33426 only 8 actually give a fuck.

Clearly the majority of people disagree with your opinion.

"Then why have 14% of closed cases been fatal?

They haven't. It's between 1and 2%"

So these guys are lying then?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/"

It's a misuse of statistics.

Pointing this out is some kind of an evil plot to cause panic and unrest and makes one a conspiracy theorist.

Bottom line. Just because a person has not died from a disease does not make them cured and cannot be considered cured in statistical analysis. Sorry if this is offensive to some.

Or looked at another way using *your* statistics (which have been taken from an unaccredited website) 86% of closed cases have been non-fatal - which paints the same picture a somewhat different way.

It's also arguable that those figures hold little validity as we don't know what the final outcome will be - neither statistic is perfect.

50580 laboratory-confirmed cases globally

50054 in China (1524 deaths)

526 Rest Of World (2 deaths)

So whichever way you choose to carve up the statistics - the undeniable fact remains it is still overwhelmingly mainly limited to China and hardly at pandemic status.

As I've said several times it's concern, of course it is, is it a reason to panic and make Private Fraser-esque "we're doomed" proclamations? Not at all

I have more chance of meeting the Queen and getting knocked down by a car in the same day than I do of coming into contact with it.

Where have I said panic? Where?

If someone quotes a global survivsl rate of 1 to 2% so its ok..... I'm going to point out that it's actually 14% and that a 2.5% mortality rate killed 50 million with the Spanish Flu.

People are saying that our medicine is better but when hospitals are overflowing and you never get to see a doctor.... medicine is irrelevant. "

Did I say *you* had?

Let's put it the same way as I did the other day - who would you pay more attention to as someone without official and qualified knowledge of the field?

A renowned virologist speaking cohesively and with authority?

Or somebody on an internet forum spouting statistics pulled from an unaccredited website that has click through links for Lego amongst other things?

I know where my faith lies for sure

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If we are talking statistics, 8 people out of the 33426 currently online fab are flapping about this.

Statistically 8 people on fab think 1671/11554 is not 1%.

Apparently correcting the maths is attempting to cause a riot.

Who said that it was 1%. I didn't.

I said out of the 33426 only 8 actually give a fuck.

Clearly the majority of people disagree with your opinion.

"Then why have 14% of closed cases been fatal?

They haven't. It's between 1and 2%"

So these guys are lying then?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/"

It's a misuse of statistics.

Pointing this out is some kind of an evil plot to cause panic and unrest and makes one a conspiracy theorist.

Bottom line. Just because a person has not died from a disease does not make them cured and cannot be considered cured in statistical analysis. Sorry if this is offensive to some.

Or looked at another way using *your* statistics (which have been taken from an unaccredited website) 86% of closed cases have been non-fatal - which paints the same picture a somewhat different way.

It's also arguable that those figures hold little validity as we don't know what the final outcome will be - neither statistic is perfect.

50580 laboratory-confirmed cases globally

50054 in China (1524 deaths)

526 Rest Of World (2 deaths)

So whichever way you choose to carve up the statistics - the undeniable fact remains it is still overwhelmingly mainly limited to China and hardly at pandemic status.

As I've said several times it's concern, of course it is, is it a reason to panic and make Private Fraser-esque "we're doomed" proclamations? Not at all

I have more chance of meeting the Queen and getting knocked down by a car in the same day than I do of coming into contact with it.

Where have I said panic? Where?

If someone quotes a global survivsl rate of 1 to 2% so its ok..... I'm going to point out that it's actually 14% and that a 2.5% mortality rate killed 50 million with the Spanish Flu.

People are saying that our medicine is better but when hospitals are overflowing and you never get to see a doctor.... medicine is irrelevant.

Do you think there will be enough beds if the virus causes pneumonia ?"

When I got norovirus I ended up at A&E for hours because there were no beds available. I eventually lost consciousness and ended up on the floor. It was early hours in the morning when I eventually got a hospital bed and full treatment. This is because the other beds had been taken up by the d*unk tank.

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