FabSwingers.com > Forums > The Lounge > aircraft doors
aircraft doors
Jump to: Newest in thread
 |
By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
A young lady has been jailed for trying to open the aircraft door midflight. 2 yearssentence.
Obviously I know they can be opened in an emergency but does anyone know if they locked until needed or if anyone can open one mid flight.? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"There is over seven tons of pressure on the door. It is impossible to open when above 10,000 feet. There is just one handle on Boeing anyway that you rotate on the ground. "
What about just after take off at about 1000ft? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"There is over seven tons of pressure on the door. It is impossible to open when above 10,000 feet. There is just one handle on Boeing anyway that you rotate on the ground.
What about just after take off at about 1000ft?"
Why, are you planning something?
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Typical British lager lout good on the judge passing a fairly hefty sentence  "
Total waste of our (taxpayers) money. She was non-violent and in reality not much of a threat. Keeping her in jail will cost on the region of £ 1000 per week. Should she be punished, yes of course but there have to be much more cost effective ways of doing that. Have to keep the prison population up some how or another. WE have WAY too many people in jail, this is an example of someone who should NOT be there. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Typical British lager lout good on the judge passing a fairly hefty sentence
Total waste of our (taxpayers) money. She was non-violent and in reality not much of a threat. Keeping her in jail will cost on the region of £ 1000 per week. Should she be punished, yes of course but there have to be much more cost effective ways of doing that. Have to keep the prison population up some how or another. WE have WAY too many people in jail, this is an example of someone who should NOT be there. "
I agree, big fine and long air travel ban would have been more fitting.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"There is over seven tons of pressure on the door. It is impossible to open when above 10,000 feet. There is just one handle on Boeing anyway that you rotate on the ground.
What about just after take off at about 1000ft?"
Then you could open it |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *hunky GentMan
over a year ago
Maldon and Peterborough |
"Erm, could someone please put my mind at rest.
If the pressure inside is greater than the pressure outside, how is that preventing the doors from being opened?
 "
It's the other way round, but the pressure has to be equal (or similar) |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Erm, could someone please put my mind at rest.
If the pressure inside is greater than the pressure outside, how is that preventing the doors from being opened?
"
The way the door is designed it pushes into the frame of the aircraft. So the pressure forces it into the fuselage. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Erm, could someone please put my mind at rest.
If the pressure inside is greater than the pressure outside, how is that preventing the doors from being opened?
"
The doors form a "plug", fitting into the doorway opening. The higher the air pressure differential, the more firmly the door will be held in place. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Typical British lager lout good on the judge passing a fairly hefty sentence
Total waste of our (taxpayers) money. She was non-violent and in reality not much of a threat. Keeping her in jail will cost on the region of £ 1000 per week. Should she be punished, yes of course but there have to be much more cost effective ways of doing that. Have to keep the prison population up some how or another. WE have WAY too many people in jail, this is an example of someone who should NOT be there. "
well I’m a taxpayer it doesn’t bother me one bit that some of it goes to fund the prisons and hows it a waste of taxpayers money she broke the law simple as that and she’s paid a hefty price btw what about the 80 k that was spent on two raf jets that escorted the plane back if I was the judge I’d of give her longer I’ve noticed over the last 15 years of flying that d*unken behaviour on planes is getting worse hen party’s /stag party’s so fair play to the judge in dishing out a good sentence |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Erm, could someone please put my mind at rest.
If the pressure inside is greater than the pressure outside, how is that preventing the doors from being opened?
It's the other way round, but the pressure has to be equal (or similar) "
Sorry for being a bit dim but I thought,as you climb the atmosphere pressure drops and they increase the pressure inside.
I'm now imagining all sorts of scenarios but the thought that some idiot would actually interfere with the doors had never occurred to me before. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Erm, could someone please put my mind at rest.
If the pressure inside is greater than the pressure outside, how is that preventing the doors from being opened?
The doors form a "plug", fitting into the doorway opening. The higher the air pressure differential, the more firmly the door will be held in place. "
Thanks, I feel much safer now
 |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
" well I’m a taxpayer it doesn’t bother me one bit that some of it goes to fund the prisons and hows it a waste of taxpayers money she broke the law simple as that and she’s paid a hefty price btw what about the 80 k that was spent on two raf jets that escorted the plane back if I was the judge I’d of give her longer I’ve noticed over the last 15 years of flying that d*unken behaviour on planes is getting worse hen party’s /stag party’s so fair play to the judge in dishing out a good sentence "
I would sooner see my taxes used more productively. We have far too many people incarcerated. It would be cheaper to have her stay at a top London hotel..!! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
Aircraft doors open inwards initially, so that the higher pressure inside the cabin effectively makes them like a plug. That higher pressure then makes it impossible for a human to pull them open. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
" well I’m a taxpayer it doesn’t bother me one bit that some of it goes to fund the prisons and hows it a waste of taxpayers money she broke the law simple as that and she’s paid a hefty price btw what about the 80 k that was spent on two raf jets that escorted the plane back if I was the judge I’d of give her longer I’ve noticed over the last 15 years of flying that d*unken behaviour on planes is getting worse hen party’s /stag party’s so fair play to the judge in dishing out a good sentence
I would sooner see my taxes used more productively. We have far too many people incarcerated. It would be cheaper to have her stay at a top London hotel..!! "
well she’s at her majesty’s pleasure for the next two years think about that next time you work over and pay more taxes  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
" well she’s at her majesty’s pleasure for the next two years think about that next time you work over and pay more taxes
I would think in practice she will severe around six to eight months..."
probably but I’d imagine next time she’s on a plane she will behave herself |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
" well she’s at her majesty’s pleasure for the next two years think about that next time you work over and pay more taxes "
I would think, in practice she will serve around six to eight months.
I do not "work over", am retired but do pay some income tax. Plus VAT and other taxes.... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"Maybe there should be a limit, like driving - over the limit and you're not allowed on board?"
I think so,surely they can spot someone who is d*unk and also stop serving people when they have had enough. Have been on flights with d*unks and can be scary!
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
Having read about her she sounds like an absolute nightmare, screaming at the other passengers she was going to kill them all while attempting to get the door open and assaulting the crew. She'll have plenty of time to repent and hopefully get the help she needs to sort her behaviour out in jail |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"Having read about her she sounds like an absolute nightmare, screaming at the other passengers she was going to kill them all while attempting to get the door open and assaulting the crew. She'll have plenty of time to repent and hopefully get the help she needs to sort her behaviour out in jail "
Let's hope so |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Bloody nutter. Glad she got jailed.
She was rightly jailed
"
She had been caught drink driving weeks earlier. Possible that she has issues with alcohol. I hope she can get treatment inside if that's what she needs |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"Bloody nutter. Glad she got jailed.
She was rightly jailed
She had been caught drink driving weeks earlier. Possible that she has issues with alcohol. I hope she can get treatment inside if that's what she needs "
Let's hope so
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
Don't worry Naasty Knix. Firstly the doors are controlled on the flight deck. You will hear the pilot saying "doors to manual" when you land; that means that the flight deck has unlocked the door.
Physics also ensures that differential air pressure seals the door to the fuselage. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Aircraft doors open inwards initially, so that the higher pressure inside the cabin effectively makes them like a plug. That higher pressure then makes it impossible for a human to pull them open."
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
The fact that two RAF jets were scrambled to intercept the aircraft might not have helped her case.......
Imagine being off on your holidays on that plane, that day!
She should be banned from flying indefinitely Imo. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"A young lady has been jailed for trying to open the aircraft door midflight. 2 yearssentence.
Obviously I know they can be opened in an emergency but does anyone know if they locked until needed or if anyone can open one mid flight.?"
Only two years should have got 20 |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
We already have far too many people in jail and you want this woman to be jailed for 20 years. She is non violent. Surely we can find some punishment which does not cost us hundreds of pounds per week: your money and mine (taxes !!). |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"We already have far too many people in jail and you want this woman to be jailed for 20 years. She is non violent. Surely we can find some punishment which does not cost us hundreds of pounds per week: your money and mine (taxes !!). "
Well, I'm a tax payer too and I'm quite happy to know that some of that tax money goes towards protecting us all from dangerous idiots and other criminals.
Having a screaming fit/temper tantrum on an aircraft is a dangerous and violent activity whether anyone was hurt or not and it should be discouraged. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"We already have far too many people in jail and you want this woman to be jailed for 20 years. She is non violent. Surely we can find some punishment which does not cost us hundreds of pounds per week: your money and mine (taxes !!). "
Entirely agree. I’d have gone for some sort of large amount of community work and an extensive ban on flying/entering any UK airport. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"We already have far too many people in jail and you want this woman to be jailed for 20 years. She is non violent. Surely we can find some punishment which does not cost us hundreds of pounds per week: your money and mine (taxes !!). "
Non violent? She also assaulted a member of the cabin crew |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Don't worry Naasty Knix. Firstly the doors are controlled on the flight deck. You will hear the pilot saying "doors to manual" when you land; that means that the flight deck has unlocked the door.
Physics also ensures that differential air pressure seals the door to the fuselage. "
Also, I'm pretty sure one side cannot be opened without the other door on the opposing side being opened. I've always seem to remember 2 stewardesses having to lock each door simultaneously.
I might be wrong. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
The higher you go the lower the pressure.
The faster the air moves, the lower the pressure.
They pressurise the inside to make it more comfortable.
So the door will easily open.
The wind over it is the only thing pushing it shut.
A bit of wind under the edge and it’s gone.
Lots of aircraft have lost doors mid flight. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"The higher you go the lower the pressure.
The faster the air moves, the lower the pressure.
They pressurise the inside to make it more comfortable.
So the door will easily open.
The wind over it is the only thing pushing it shut.
A bit of wind under the edge and it’s gone.
Lots of aircraft have lost doors mid flight. "
That'll cheer the OP up. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"The higher you go the lower the pressure.
The faster the air moves, the lower the pressure.
They pressurise the inside to make it more comfortable.
So the door will easily open.
The wind over it is the only thing pushing it shut.
A bit of wind under the edge and it’s gone.
Lots of aircraft have lost doors mid flight. "
Rachael I really didn't need to hear that. Please try again and say "No, don't worry. There's nothing can possibly go wrong."
Then I can float down to my watery grave in blissful ignorance.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"The higher you go the lower the pressure.
The faster the air moves, the lower the pressure.
They pressurise the inside to make it more comfortable.
So the door will easily open.
The wind over it is the only thing pushing it shut.
A bit of wind under the edge and it’s gone.
Lots of aircraft have lost doors mid flight.
Rachael I really didn't need to hear that. Please try again and say "No, don't worry. There's nothing can possibly go wrong."
Then I can float down to my watery grave in blissful ignorance.
"
Lol. I’m an ex aircraft engineer enjoying reading everyone assuming the doors open outwards.
They don’t for this reason. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Typical British lager lout good on the judge passing a fairly hefty sentence
Total waste of our (taxpayers) money. She was non-violent and in reality not much of a threat. Keeping her in jail will cost on the region of £ 1000 per week. Should she be punished, yes of course but there have to be much more cost effective ways of doing that. Have to keep the prison population up some how or another. WE have WAY too many people in jail, this is an example of someone who should NOT be there. "
couldn't of said it better myself. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Typical British lager lout good on the judge passing a fairly hefty sentence
Total waste of our (taxpayers) money. She was non-violent and in reality not much of a threat. Keeping her in jail will cost on the region of £ 1000 per week. Should she be punished, yes of course but there have to be much more cost effective ways of doing that. Have to keep the prison population up some how or another. WE have WAY too many people in jail, this is an example of someone who should NOT be there. "
We keep convicted terrorists,
They are the main drain on tax payers |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"The higher you go the lower the pressure.
The faster the air moves, the lower the pressure.
They pressurise the inside to make it more comfortable.
So the door will easily open.
The wind over it is the only thing pushing it shut.
A bit of wind under the edge and it’s gone.
Lots of aircraft have lost doors mid flight.
Rachael I really didn't need to hear that. Please try again and say "No, don't worry. There's nothing can possibly go wrong."
Then I can float down to my watery grave in blissful ignorance.
Lol. I’m an ex aircraft engineer enjoying reading everyone assuming the doors open outwards.
They don’t for this reason. "
Conflicting opinion. I am talking about the big passenger jets. Is there a definitive answer ? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Typical British lager lout good on the judge passing a fairly hefty sentence
Total waste of our (taxpayers) money. She was non-violent and in reality not much of a threat. Keeping her in jail will cost on the region of £ 1000 per week. Should she be punished, yes of course but there have to be much more cost effective ways of doing that. Have to keep the prison population up some how or another. WE have WAY too many people in jail, this is an example of someone who should NOT be there.
We keep convicted terrorists,
They are the main drain on tax payers "
Convicted terrorists are another matter all together. Yes, they certainly do represent a considerable threat and need to handled differently to someone who has d*unk too much or may have mental issues. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *1bttmMan
over a year ago
Shoreditch east London |
"Aircraft doors open inwards initially, so that the higher pressure inside the cabin effectively makes them like a plug. That higher pressure then makes it impossible for a human to pull them open."
Depends on the aircraft type. Alot of Boeing aircraft, 747 and 777 open like this but Airbus 319, 320 and 321 don't. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Typical British lager lout good on the judge passing a fairly hefty sentence
Total waste of our (taxpayers) money. She was non-violent and in reality not much of a threat. Keeping her in jail will cost on the region of £ 1000 per week. Should she be punished, yes of course but there have to be much more cost effective ways of doing that. Have to keep the prison population up some how or another. WE have WAY too many people in jail, this is an example of someone who should NOT be there.
We keep convicted terrorists,
They are the main drain on tax payers "
This is why we should bring back, the stocks, the cutting off of hands, and hanging. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *xhib12Man
over a year ago
Blyth |
Anyone d*unk on a plane should have their passport revoked for a number of years. Might make people think twice about getting abdolutely plastered in the airport.
I also think the airports need to play a part here. I like a drink or two before I get on a flight but I've seen bar staff still serving drinks to people who have clearly had enough.
Staff at the gate should also be refusing boarding to these people.
I'm pretty sure that strict rules are already in place but they're just not enforced enough.
If people knew they would be refused boarding or have their passport confiscated they would control their own drinking. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"Anyone d*unk on a plane should have their passport revoked for a number of years. Might make people think twice about getting abdolutely plastered in the airport.
I also think the airports need to play a part here. I like a drink or two before I get on a flight but I've seen bar staff still serving drinks to people who have clearly had enough.
Staff at the gate should also be refusing boarding to these people.
I'm pretty sure that strict rules are already in place but they're just not enforced enough.
If people knew they would be refused boarding or have their passport confiscated they would control their own drinking."
Totally agree with this. Airport staff and airline staff should be responsible for travellers being safe and stop the d*unks boarding. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
" This is why we should bring back, the stocks, the cutting off of hands, and hanging. "
NO, NO....!! We stopped doing that in the civilized world several hundred years ago. That is what distinguishes us from ISIS and the like. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
Punishment fitting the crime:
- revoke passport for a period
- curfew to prevent alcohol misuse in public places on basis that she has evidenced an inability to behave appropriately with drink
- as the issue was linked to air travel, community service litter picking round an airport, clearing up empty alcohol and holiday paraphernalia that she herself cant enjoy. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"Punishment fitting the crime:
- revoke passport for a period
- curfew to prevent alcohol misuse in public places on basis that she has evidenced an inability to behave appropriately with drink
- as the issue was linked to air travel, community service litter picking round an airport, clearing up empty alcohol and holiday paraphernalia that she herself cant enjoy."
Yes I like this
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Typical British lager lout good on the judge passing a fairly hefty sentence
Total waste of our (taxpayers) money. She was non-violent and in reality not much of a threat. Keeping her in jail will cost on the region of £ 1000 per week. Should she be punished, yes of course but there have to be much more cost effective ways of doing that. Have to keep the prison population up some how or another. WE have WAY too many people in jail, this is an example of someone who should NOT be there.
We keep convicted terrorists,
They are the main drain on tax payers
This is why we should bring back, the stocks, the cutting off of hands, and hanging. "
a bit harsh for what she did but agree with people like Huntley and people like him should be hung |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"The higher you go the lower the pressure.
The faster the air moves, the lower the pressure.
They pressurise the inside to make it more comfortable.
So the door will easily open.
The wind over it is the only thing pushing it shut.
A bit of wind under the edge and it’s gone.
Lots of aircraft have lost doors mid flight.
Rachael I really didn't need to hear that. Please try again and say "No, don't worry. There's nothing can possibly go wrong."
Then I can float down to my watery grave in blissful ignorance.
Lol. I’m an ex aircraft engineer enjoying reading everyone assuming the doors open outwards.
They don’t for this reason.
Conflicting opinion. I am talking about the big passenger jets. Is there a definitive answer ?"
Yeah. I was messing with you in my first post.
The second was true  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
Off on a tangent but we lost the door off a helicopter. They slide back like a van and when the crewman reached for it to close, it wasn't there anymore. Somewhere over Brum. Never been found! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
Ha! I used to fly helicopters, and we often took the doors off in hot weather. Putting in a steep banked turn while looking down 2000 feet to the ground was quite distracting.
A mate drooped a screwdriver out over Farnborough. We scanned the papers next day for any mysterious deaths. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Typical British lager lout good on the judge passing a fairly hefty sentence
Total waste of our (taxpayers) money. She was non-violent and in reality not much of a threat. Keeping her in jail will cost on the region of £ 1000 per week. Should she be punished, yes of course but there have to be much more cost effective ways of doing that. Have to keep the prison population up some how or another. WE have WAY too many people in jail, this is an example of someone who should NOT be there.
We keep convicted terrorists,
They are the main drain on tax payers
This is why we should bring back, the stocks, the cutting off of hands, and hanging. "
That is ridiculous. If they cut off their hands then how can they then put them in the stocks.. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"Typical British lager lout good on the judge passing a fairly hefty sentence
Total waste of our (taxpayers) money. She was non-violent and in reality not much of a threat. Keeping her in jail will cost on the region of £ 1000 per week. Should she be punished, yes of course but there have to be much more cost effective ways of doing that. Have to keep the prison population up some how or another. WE have WAY too many people in jail, this is an example of someone who should NOT be there.
We keep convicted terrorists,
They are the main drain on tax payers
This is why we should bring back, the stocks, the cutting off of hands, and hanging.
That is ridiculous. If they cut off their hands then how can they then put them in the stocks.."
Perhaps not all at the same time |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
» Add a new message to this topic
Ya big Mavis 
