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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
Cambridge University, it is reported, considered banning the army from attending it's Freshers Fair. They have settled on letting them attend but not with guns. I think this is what was decided but there are conflicting reports to be fair and I am not sure of the reasoning.
My point is. Do we appreciate our armed forces and their role in both peace time such as fixing overflowing Dams and in conflict?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why would you need to bring guns into a campus anyway?"
I suppose it depends on the subject matter of the event. However, to separate the military from their purpose is stupid. |
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By *undayTarkaMan
over a year ago
North Devon, Manchester |
"Cambridge University, it is reported, considered banning the army from attending it's Freshers Fair. They have settled on letting them attend but not with guns. I think this is what was decided but there are conflicting reports to be fair and I am not sure of the reasoning.
My point is. Do we appreciate our armed forces and their role in both peace time such as fixing overflowing Dams and in conflict?
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You wouldn't attend to an
event with weapons anyway |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why would you need to bring guns into a campus anyway?
I suppose it depends on the subject matter of the event. However, to separate the military from their purpose is stupid."
How is that separating them from their purpose?
They don't need guns at a Freshers fair.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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They will ban the police next with their guns
I am and a lot of my friends and family are ex army or still serving.
And all these poor people scared of the army with gun's.
The next bombing or flooding or the next time something happens and the army police have to put their lives at risk.
I wonder how many of them fools be begging for help then
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They will ban the police next with their guns
I am and a lot of my friends and family are ex army or still serving.
And all these poor people scared of the army with gun's.
The next bombing or flooding or the next time something happens and the army police have to put their lives at risk.
I wonder how many of them fools be begging for help then
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Attending a uni event isn’t putting their lives at risk. It’s a recruitment campaign. Guns really aren’t necessary..
Also, if it floods I still don’t see why anyone needs a gun. I don’t think you can shoot a flood away... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They will ban the police next with their guns
I am and a lot of my friends and family are ex army or still serving.
And all these poor people scared of the army with gun's.
The next bombing or flooding or the next time something happens and the army police have to put their lives at risk.
I wonder how many of them fools be begging for help then
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Are you actively engaged in combat during a Freshers event?
If not, why would you need to bring a gun? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why would you need to bring guns into a campus anyway?"
They do it a lot for recruitment days and Army cadets open days.
Because it's not the army with out weapons.
Believe it or not most people do enjoy looking at Army rifles and holding them to learn how they work.
The police army navy and air force do public shows all over the UK every day of the year. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why would you need to bring guns into a campus anyway?
I suppose it depends on the subject matter of the event. However, to separate the military from their purpose is stupid.
How is that separating them from their purpose?
They don't need guns at a Freshers fair.
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What's the Freshers Fair for? If it's to attracts recruits why wouldn't you take along some of the equipment recruits might use? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They will ban the police next with their guns
I am and a lot of my friends and family are ex army or still serving.
And all these poor people scared of the army with gun's.
The next bombing or flooding or the next time something happens and the army police have to put their lives at risk.
I wonder how many of them fools be begging for help then
Are you actively engaged in combat during a Freshers event?
If not, why would you need to bring a gun?"
Last time I checked the army carry guns, its what they do. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why would you need to bring guns into a campus anyway?
They do it a lot for recruitment days and Army cadets open days.
Because it's not the army with out weapons.
Believe it or not most people do enjoy looking at Army rifles and holding them to learn how they work.
The police army navy and air force do public shows all over the UK every day of the year."
And this particular institution doesn't want that so respect their decision.
And your 2nd point makes no sense, you do not carry a weapon every single minute when you're on duty so there is definitely no need to bring it into a campus.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I have been around guns all my life, for a variety of purposes. They are inanimate objects. Some are designed to kill animals and/or people. Some are designed for purely sporting purposes, ie targets, clays etc. It's the person holding the gun you should be looking at. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It will all be just peachy when the objectors need to army to defend them and their freedom of speech.  "
What are you going on about? We’re objecting to having guns at a university. So far nobody has objected to having an Army or any or the armed services |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why would you need to bring guns into a campus anyway?
They do it a lot for recruitment days and Army cadets open days.
Because it's not the army with out weapons.
Believe it or not most people do enjoy looking at Army rifles and holding them to learn how they work.
The police army navy and air force do public shows all over the UK every day of the year.
And this particular institution doesn't want that so respect their decision.
And your 2nd point makes no sense, you do not carry a weapon every single minute when you're on duty so there is definitely no need to bring it into a campus.
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I bet they are happy to take the money from the military student bursaries though.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There is a difference in bringing a gun to an educational campus and carrying one to combat.
I have no idea how people can see that as disrespecting the service  |
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
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OK, so I won't bring my face packs, nail varnishes, make up brushes etc on to a campus recruitment event if they are recruiting beauty therapists as they are tools of my trade and may offend someone, somewhere. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They will ban the police next with their guns
I am and a lot of my friends and family are ex army or still serving.
And all these poor people scared of the army with gun's.
The next bombing or flooding or the next time something happens and the army police have to put their lives at risk.
I wonder how many of them fools be begging for help then
Are you actively engaged in combat during a Freshers event?
If not, why would you need to bring a gun?"
I take it you some sort of snowflake scared of guns
A lot of Officers and other ranks of the army come from college's. And simple fact is that there is people out there who want to kill soldiers who do community work. So someone has to be carrying a weapon in the background to make sure no one trys to kill anyone.
Normally it's the police but there be a few people in plain sight carrying firearms to make sure nothing happens. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It will all be just peachy when the objectors need to army to defend them and their freedom of speech.
What are you going on about? We’re objecting to having guns at a university. So far nobody has objected to having an Army or any or the armed services "
American style of thinking comes to mind... |
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As it's the army and they use guns, I'd say it's pretty obvious why they'd take them.
I'd also suggest it's obvious they didn't take any ammunition and the firing pins were removed.
They could also take de-acts, same visualisation, zero risk.
It's a bit like inviting an electrical contractor and telling him not to bring any screwdrivers, or prevent an architect from bringing CAD software.
Tools of the trade.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"OK, so I won't bring my face packs, nail varnishes, make up brushes etc on to a campus recruitment event if they are recruiting beauty therapists as they are tools of my trade and may offend someone, somewhere. "
Yes I'm sure all of those can bring a distress to someone the same way a gun would do... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There is a difference in bringing a gun to an educational campus and carrying one to combat.
I have no idea how people can see that as disrespecting the service "
I think most sensible members and ex members of the services recognise that.
Inky a very small proportion of the service are front line combatants anyway.
It's an educational premises, and I fail to understand how that's disrespectful making such conditions. |
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By *elshyXOMan
over a year ago
Newcastle |
"Cambridge University, it is reported, considered banning the army from attending it's Freshers Fair. They have settled on letting them attend but not with guns. I think this is what was decided but there are conflicting reports to be fair and I am not sure of the reasoning.
My point is. Do we appreciate our armed forces and their role in both peace time such as fixing overflowing Dams and in conflict?
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Ultimately its quite a pertinent question but overall the fetishisation of armed forces can only lead to negative outcomes. Those who tend to fetishise the armed forces are those of a generation who have never actually faced the true reality of their duty - conflict.
On one hand whilst the army does assist in certain areas & in certain degrees of protection, the notion that the armed servicemen are somewhat above the law (Saville Report for instance) means for me personally, I dont really appreciate or find a need to appreciate armed personnel whereas I do wholly support & appreciate those from both World Wars.
Ive also had run in’s with Paras in the past who are just essentially right wing bigots, whereby one threatened to “knock me out” because they held a rally supporting Soldier F & when asked to sign a petition I declined on account of him being a murderer - somewhat ironic that people who stand for the protection of free speech found it abhorrent I wouldnt support their mate who shot children.
All in all, support them if you like - I have no issue, but if you support them you have to be accepting of the criticism of them too & accept that historically the British Army has had their hands in some horrific stuff as well as good.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's for the public's protection, it's not like they are going to be shooting people "
You don't need rifles for public protection at a uni campus though.
It's not like the police carries firearms either. |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
There and to the left a bit |
To add some balance - and having now read a number of news articles about this (as opposed to a knee jerk reaction to the OP) the motion that was bought forward, and voted in, by the Student Union was to prevent *any* organisation from bringing weapons to the Freshers Fair, not just the military - and it was *not* to ban the military completely.
Their reasoning was based on the possible message it would send to what is a multi-cultural and indeed multi-national campus, and the possible impacts weapons being present could have on some of that campus.
Personally I neither agree nor disagree with their motion, can see the argument from both sides, but I don't think the motion was anything to do with whether those students value the work that the Armed Forces do in service of the country and think it's important not to get caught up in the suggestion that it was. |
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By *manaWoman
over a year ago
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"It's for the public's protection, it's not like they are going to be shooting people
You don't need rifles for public protection at a uni campus though.
It's not like the police carries firearms either."
I beg to differ. You done SEE the police who carry firearms 
I've a family full of different uniforms including army, raf, police and fire. |
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By *undayTarkaMan
over a year ago
North Devon, Manchester |
"It will all be just peachy when the objectors need to army to defend them and their freedom of speech.
What are you going on about? We’re objecting to having guns at a university. So far nobody has objected to having an Army or any or the armed services "
I agree to this and i serve still |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
There and to the left a bit |
"It will all be just peachy when the objectors need to army to defend them and their freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech does'nt exist im afraid, this then becomes hate speech or Bigoted"
In the same way as those students exercising *their* freedom of speech and passing this motion has been put down in much the same way - it works both ways you know |
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I've worked in military recruiting, and it's normal to have a display set up with the tools of the trade. But doesn't have to be weapons. But they make a good talking point.
But the reason behind the ban is it will apparently upset some students if they see guns. I don't use the term snowflake lightly, but if you are going to get upset at seeing a soldier with a gun, best stay inside and not watch TV or play video games.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's for the public's protection, it's not like they are going to be shooting people
You don't need rifles for public protection at a uni campus though.
It's not like the police carries firearms either.
I beg to differ. You done SEE the police who carry firearms
I've a family full of different uniforms including army, raf, police and fire."
I know some officers are armed, especially in high risk areas.
I don't think the armed forces MUST bring guns to a Freshers event.
If they've been told not to bring them by the hosting campus, either respect that decision or don't attend.
This doesn't devalue the service in any sort of way, if anything it makes it more approachable for some people. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I appreciate what the army can do and I appreciate the people that join it but until the army appreciates and looks after it's people I have no time for it pay proper wage give good housing and look after those that leave until then I'll make sure none of my family want to join |
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By *undayTarkaMan
over a year ago
North Devon, Manchester |
"They will ban the police next with their guns
I am and a lot of my friends and family are ex army or still serving.
And all these poor people scared of the army with gun's.
The next bombing or flooding or the next time something happens and the army police have to put their lives at risk.
I wonder how many of them fools be begging for help then
Are you actively engaged in combat during a Freshers event?
If not, why would you need to bring a gun? I take it you some sort of snowflake scared of guns
A lot of Officers and other ranks of the army come from college's. And simple fact is that there is people out there who want to kill soldiers who do community work. So someone has to be carrying a weapon in the background to make sure no one trys to kill anyone.
Normally it's the police but there be a few people in plain sight carrying firearms to make sure nothing happens."
Sorry this is wrong you would never be issued live ammunition to an event such as this, only operational tours or duties such as guard service, Ex live firing packages etc |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why would you need to bring guns into a campus anyway?
They do it a lot for recruitment days and Army cadets open days.
Because it's not the army with out weapons.
Believe it or not most people do enjoy looking at Army rifles and holding them to learn how they work.
The police army navy and air force do public shows all over the UK every day of the year.
And this particular institution doesn't want that so respect their decision.
And your 2nd point makes no sense, you do not carry a weapon every single minute when you're on duty so there is definitely no need to bring it into a campus.
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so here's what will happen the army comes into the college and some fool going to run home to mummy crying that the big bad soldier has a gun.
99% of the time at army shows the guns have no bullets. but a few of the guys or girls will be carrying real bullets in case someone trys to harm someone. But the show rifles will be unloaded.
And where I live I used to carry of duty and on duty every single day.
But we have ira murder's trying to kill us |
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By *undayTarkaMan
over a year ago
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"I appreciate what the army can do and I appreciate the people that join it but until the army appreciates and looks after it's people I have no time for it pay proper wage give good housing and look after those that leave until then I'll make sure none of my family want to join"
They actually do though |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I was in Cardiff when the Wales/barbarians game was on and was in McDonalds about to leave, turned the corner, bumped straight into two armed police and was poked in the tit by his machine gun.
I dunno what I’m about, just sharing my story.
I  military guys all day long. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They will ban the police next with their guns
I am and a lot of my friends and family are ex army or still serving.
And all these poor people scared of the army with gun's.
The next bombing or flooding or the next time something happens and the army police have to put their lives at risk.
I wonder how many of them fools be begging for help then
Are you actively engaged in combat during a Freshers event?
If not, why would you need to bring a gun? I take it you some sort of snowflake scared of guns
A lot of Officers and other ranks of the army come from college's. And simple fact is that there is people out there who want to kill soldiers who do community work. So someone has to be carrying a weapon in the background to make sure no one trys to kill anyone.
Normally it's the police but there be a few people in plain sight carrying firearms to make sure nothing happens.
Sorry this is wrong you would never be issued live ammunition to an event such as this, only operational tours or duties such as guard service, Ex live firing packages etc"
No what I said is that normally police officer's or someone in the pain clothes would have bullets.
To stop someone trying to steal the weapons.And is guard services not used when weapons are being moved from one camp to another etc.
I know when I was in the army anytime weapons was moved anywhere. At least one person had a loaded weapon.yet again my experience is in Northern Ireland |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I appreciate what the army can do and I appreciate the people that join it but until the army appreciates and looks after it's people I have no time for it pay proper wage give good housing and look after those that leave until then I'll make sure none of my family want to join
They actually do though"
Actually in the prison where I was they wouldn’t take on the same contractors who provided food at St Athan who I believe were sodexo? because the food wasn’t a high enough quality  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I appreciate what the army can do and I appreciate the people that join it but until the army appreciates and looks after it's people I have no time for it pay proper wage give good housing and look after those that leave until then I'll make sure none of my family want to join
They actually do though"
not what I've seen and heard just buried a good work college ex marine no help there from them |
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By *undayTarkaMan
over a year ago
North Devon, Manchester |
"They will ban the police next with their guns
I am and a lot of my friends and family are ex army or still serving.
And all these poor people scared of the army with gun's.
The next bombing or flooding or the next time something happens and the army police have to put their lives at risk.
I wonder how many of them fools be begging for help then
Are you actively engaged in combat during a Freshers event?
If not, why would you need to bring a gun? I take it you some sort of snowflake scared of guns
A lot of Officers and other ranks of the army come from college's. And simple fact is that there is people out there who want to kill soldiers who do community work. So someone has to be carrying a weapon in the background to make sure no one trys to kill anyone.
Normally it's the police but there be a few people in plain sight carrying firearms to make sure nothing happens.
Sorry this is wrong you would never be issued live ammunition to an event such as this, only operational tours or duties such as guard service, Ex live firing packages etc
No what I said is that normally police officer's or someone in the pain clothes would have bullets.
To stop someone trying to steal the weapons.And is guard services not used when weapons are being moved from one camp to another etc.
I know when I was in the army anytime weapons was moved anywhere. At least one person had a loaded weapon.yet again my experience is in Northern Ireland"
No this doesn't always happen these days, I think as the vehicles used to carry pyrotechnics and ammo is unmarked highly secured still its not frowned upon |
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By *ollee78Man
over a year ago
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"Cambridge University, it is reported, considered banning the army from attending it's Freshers Fair. They have settled on letting them attend but not with guns. I think this is what was decided but there are conflicting reports to be fair and I am not sure of the reasoning.
My point is. Do we appreciate our armed forces and their role in both peace time such as fixing overflowing Dams and in conflict?
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In my opinion The regiment or platoon that attends would be seen as a soft target. If it was to defend itself it would be no good if the weapons are all nice and safe in the armoury. In this current climate of terrorism and media coverage the army would be foolish no to have their weapons with them.
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By *undayTarkaMan
over a year ago
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"Cambridge University, it is reported, considered banning the army from attending it's Freshers Fair. They have settled on letting them attend but not with guns. I think this is what was decided but there are conflicting reports to be fair and I am not sure of the reasoning.
My point is. Do we appreciate our armed forces and their role in both peace time such as fixing overflowing Dams and in conflict?
In my opinion The regiment or platoon that attends would be seen as a soft target. If it was to defend itself it would be no good if the weapons are all nice and safe in the armoury. In this current climate of terrorism and media coverage the army would be foolish no to have their weapons with them.
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But we have armed Police for this very task, |
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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago
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No we don’t appreciate our Armed Forces and we don’t look after them.
As far as guns go, why would they need guns? No I’m not a fan and if Americans are allowed to do it then we definitely shouldn’t  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They will ban the police next with their guns
I am and a lot of my friends and family are ex army or still serving.
And all these poor people scared of the army with gun's.
The next bombing or flooding or the next time something happens and the army police have to put their lives at risk.
I wonder how many of them fools be begging for help then
Are you actively engaged in combat during a Freshers event?
If not, why would you need to bring a gun? I take it you some sort of snowflake scared of guns
A lot of Officers and other ranks of the army come from college's. And simple fact is that there is people out there who want to kill soldiers who do community work. So someone has to be carrying a weapon in the background to make sure no one trys to kill anyone.
Normally it's the police but there be a few people in plain sight carrying firearms to make sure nothing happens.
Sorry this is wrong you would never be issued live ammunition to an event such as this, only operational tours or duties such as guard service, Ex live firing packages etc
No what I said is that normally police officer's or someone in the pain clothes would have bullets.
To stop someone trying to steal the weapons.And is guard services not used when weapons are being moved from one camp to another etc.
I know when I was in the army anytime weapons was moved anywhere. At least one person had a loaded weapon.yet again my experience is in Northern Ireland"
Standard practice for both military and police even on mainland UK. If they are moving guns around, some personnel will be armed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"OK, so I won't bring my face packs, nail varnishes, make up brushes etc on to a campus recruitment event if they are recruiting beauty therapists as they are tools of my trade and may offend someone, somewhere.
Yes I'm sure all of those can bring a distress to someone the same way a gun would do..."
In general, in my experience of frequently appearing armed in public, only a small percentage of the population are distressed by seeing armed military or police. Most are reassured and supportive. |
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"They will ban the police next with their guns
I am and a lot of my friends and family are ex army or still serving.
And all these poor people scared of the army with gun's.
The next bombing or flooding or the next time something happens and the army police have to put their lives at risk.
I wonder how many of them fools be begging for help then
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Thank you for your service.
Genuinely |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The American public are in the most part very proud of their armed forces.
It is a major thing to show respect and support those who defend the nation.
All the major sporting events have a honor guard and the army v navy college football game is one of the events on the calendar.
Regardless of what you think politically. They do a better job of supporting those that defend them because the public demand it.
And so should we |
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"Cambridge University, it is reported, considered banning the army from attending it's Freshers Fair. They have settled on letting them attend but not with guns. I think this is what was decided but there are conflicting reports to be fair and I am not sure of the reasoning.
My point is. Do we appreciate our armed forces and their role in both peace time such as fixing overflowing Dams and in conflict?
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If it's reported that Cambridge University is considering banning the army form bringing firearms then the report is wrong. Cambridge University Students Union, which is, in effect, a private members club, considered a motion that would restrict which organizations had access to its Freshers Fair, and decided to prevent organizatiosn form bringign firearms. Is that a big story? No. It's been turned into another culture war issue where people get needlessly annoyed about something that in the great scheme of things doesn't matter a jot.
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By *Man1263Man
over a year ago
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I understand abit what the students mean, however (and my point of view may be tainted by being ex army), however, bringing your tools of your trade is part of your job.
Be it at a uni for freshers week, or the local county fair.
If your Inf bring the rifle, sniper rifle, optic sights etc and show people, you may be surprised at how heavy they actually are.
If your REME, RE, Drop Short, Slime etc, bring those tools.
The military are happy to pay for uni education for you, if your hapoy to sign up (passing various tests etc of course)
I do think they are trying to be inclusive etc, and its a pity they are thinking this way.
But if thats what the majority want, rather than a shouty minority, then so be it.
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