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"We have lots of manufacturing its just that a lot of it is for skilled people and the labouring jobs are done by machines. " So why not train the people up. Plus there is more to manufactoring. Seamstresses british fashion. Peterborough has perkins etc, Corby used to have the steel works you get my idea of thinking same with Sheffield. Each city had its heart and its gone. | |||
"We have lots of manufacturing its just that a lot of it is for skilled people and the labouring jobs are done by machines. So why not train the people up. Plus there is more to manufactoring. Seamstresses british fashion. Peterborough has perkins etc, Corby used to have the steel works you get my idea of thinking same with Sheffield. Each city had its heart and its gone." How much do you want to pay for clothes? people won't work for £2 an hour people won't pay twice what they pay for clothes now. New industry is growing and its higher value old things are dead. Plenty of jobs out there ask all the Polish people. | |||
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"Plenty of jobs out there ask all the Polish people. " Hence the reason we don't have plenty of jobs out there! The Polish have them! I know, I am looking and getting nowhere! 
They don't necessarily work any better, but they do work cheaper!  | |||
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"Plenty of jobs out there ask all the Polish people. Hence the reason we don't have plenty of jobs out there! The Polish have them! I know, I am looking and getting nowhere!
They don't necessarily work any better, but they do work cheaper! "they dont work cheaper at all, the work longer, maybe. they cant work cheaper because most manufacturing jobs are on minimum wage. my last job on a factory floor (yes, i have been in manufacturing since i left college) i was paid only £1.50 less an hour than i am now, as a hgv driver, the difference is i can work 60 hours a week now, whereas im limited to 40 in a factory. thats the only way to make your wage decent. good luck to you, btw | |||
"Plenty of jobs out there ask all the Polish people. Hence the reason we don't have plenty of jobs out there! The Polish have them! I know, I am looking and getting nowhere!
They don't necessarily work any better, but they do work cheaper!
they dont work cheaper at all, the work longer, maybe.
they cant work cheaper because most manufacturing jobs are on minimum wage.
my last job on a factory floor (yes, i have been in manufacturing since i left college) i was paid only £1.50 less an hour than i am now, as a hgv driver, the difference is i can work 60 hours a week now, whereas im limited to 40 in a factory. thats the only way to make your wage decent.
good luck to you, btw" Minimum wage means Poles get paid same as everyone the difference is they don't piss about and are more flexible. | |||
"Plenty of jobs out there ask all the Polish people. Hence the reason we don't have plenty of jobs out there! The Polish have them! I know, I am looking and getting nowhere!
They don't necessarily work any better, but they do work cheaper!
they dont work cheaper at all, the work longer, maybe.
they cant work cheaper because most manufacturing jobs are on minimum wage.
my last job on a factory floor (yes, i have been in manufacturing since i left college) i was paid only £1.50 less an hour than i am now, as a hgv driver, the difference is i can work 60 hours a week now, whereas im limited to 40 in a factory. thats the only way to make your wage decent.
good luck to you, btw
Minimum wage means Poles get paid same as everyone the difference is they don't piss about and are more flexible. "wouldnt specify one race, tbh. eastern europeans are 'better' workers, or rather more flaxible, because they cut corners. end of. we have a safety first culture in this country, and i have seen it, which means instead of getting on with things, we have to assess it first, whereas vlad will just put his head down and get the job done. thats where we are going wrong. oh, and african workers are even more lazy than brits, and thats my opinion from personal experience. | |||
"Minimum wage means Poles get paid same as everyone the difference is they don't piss about and are more flexible. " I do hope you are not saying that I do piss about! Yes, I know all about the minimum wage.. But, the Eastern block population does mean that wages have lowered! They are prepared to do the same jobs for minimum wage, that used to be fairly well paid! The guys who have just fitted our central heating were two Polish and one English! The boss (English) told me he employs them because he would have to pay a lot more to British workers with the same qualifications! For your information, I have always worked long and unsocial hours and I am very flexible in hours and abilities. | |||
"Minimum wage means Poles get paid same as everyone the difference is they don't piss about and are more flexible. I do hope you are not saying that I do piss about! Yes, I know all about the minimum wage.. But, the Eastern block population does mean that wages have lowered! They are prepared to do the same jobs for minimum wage, that used to be fairly well paid! The guys who have just fitted our central heating were two Polish and one English! The boss (English) told me he employs them because he would have to pay a lot more to British workers with the same qualifications! For your information, I have always worked long and unsocial hours and I am very flexible in hours and abilities. "For my information lol! I dont care I wouldn't employ you anyway. I would employ the Pole as he would be working not messing about during the day online. And its not the Eastern Europeans that set wages its supply and demand. More wanting jobs in a recession so wages lower no matter where you are in the world. | |||
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"Minimum wage means Poles get paid same as everyone the difference is they don't piss about and are more flexible. I do hope you are not saying that I do piss about! Yes, I know all about the minimum wage.. But, the Eastern block population does mean that wages have lowered! They are prepared to do the same jobs for minimum wage, that used to be fairly well paid! The guys who have just fitted our central heating were two Polish and one English! The boss (English) told me he employs them because he would have to pay a lot more to British workers with the same qualifications! For your information, I have always worked long and unsocial hours and I am very flexible in hours and abilities. "I remember a friend of mine saying the same thing a few years ago. He earned £250 a day as a carpenter, when the eastern Europeans arrived and worked for £50 a day he had no chance the British owners (white) employed them to the detriment of British workers. If the British aren't prepared to support their own you can hardly blame the eastern Europeans | |||
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" The guys who have just fitted our central heating were two Polish and one English! The boss (English) told me he employs them because he would have to pay a lot more to British workers with the same qualifications!" I have to ask why you didn't use a company that provided three English workers to fit your central heating? | |||
" The guys who have just fitted our central heating were two Polish and one English! The boss (English) told me he employs them because he would have to pay a lot more to British workers with the same qualifications! I have to ask why you didn't use a company that provided three English workers to fit your central heating?" That's an easy one, Wishy! I didn't know! I got the quotes, checked the specs and made numerous phone calls. Not once did I get anyone other than an english person or voice! When the guys arrived, only the boss spoke and then went off to shout some orders! lol It was when I asked them if they wanted a drink that they first spoke in my hearing (I was in my "shed" writing) and I realised that they were "Eastern European". Having said that, I am like everyone else, if the quote was cheaper, I would still have engaged them. After all, how many British goods would anyone have in their house if they were available and were more expensive? Hence why British manufacturing has all but gone... | |||
"For my information lol! I dont care I wouldn't employ you anyway. I would employ the Pole as he would be working not messing about during the day online. And its not the Eastern Europeans that set wages its supply and demand. More wanting jobs in a recession so wages lower no matter where you are in the world. " So, all you have is a puerile answer? I am surprised at you! Actually, I don’t “need” a job as I am gainfully employed in my own business. I earn enough for us to be comfortable over my three days, but I need to gather some information for a project that is on hold until I can gain the experience required! And of course, as an “employer” you would know that if a job is normally done at £10 per hour and someone with the same qualifications says he will do it for £7 per hour, you would be silly to refuse. That is driving down the wages, not pure over supply of workers! | |||
"For my information lol! I dont care I wouldn't employ you anyway. I would employ the Pole as he would be working not messing about during the day online. And its not the Eastern Europeans that set wages its supply and demand. More wanting jobs in a recession so wages lower no matter where you are in the world. So, all you have is a puerile answer? I am surprised at you! Actually, I don’t “need” a job as I am gainfully employed in my own business. I earn enough for us to be comfortable over my three days, but I need to gather some information for a project that is on hold until I can gain the experience required! And of course, as an “employer” you would know that if a job is normally done at £10 per hour and someone with the same qualifications says he will do it for £7 per hour, you would be silly to refuse. That is driving down the wages, not pure over supply of workers! " Dreameazy or slumberland? You haven't a clue have ya but bless you. If you did have a clue you would realise the big whole in what you have said but I won't enlighten you leave it for others to grin at.  | |||
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"Anyone fancy a shag, all this politics is getting me horny lol" Politics lol I like that! | |||
"Anyone fancy a shag, all this politics is getting me horny lol" Can't someone start a thread less contoversal wheres anytimeade when you need him | |||
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"Plenty of jobs out there ask all the Polish people. Hence the reason we don't have plenty of jobs out there! The Polish have them! I know, I am looking and getting nowhere!
They don't necessarily work any better, but they do work cheaper!
they dont work cheaper at all, the work longer, maybe.
they cant work cheaper because most manufacturing jobs are on minimum wage.
my last job on a factory floor (yes, i have been in manufacturing since i left college) i was paid only £1.50 less an hour than i am now, as a hgv driver, the difference is i can work 60 hours a week now, whereas im limited to 40 in a factory. thats the only way to make your wage decent.
good luck to you, btw
Minimum wage means Poles get paid same as everyone the difference is they don't piss about and are more flexible. "Can I ask you what sort of wages are you on and could you afford to live on minimum? A lot of the poles are getting less than minimum and what a lot of employers like about them is health and safety is out the window Also some live 4 to a room and get tax credits and family allowance sent back home to families that have never set foot in the UK I CAN ASSURE YOU THEY DO WOK CHEAPER as they can afford to more than most UK citizens. | |||
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" As regards cutting down of non EU imports....time to get real, people just wouldn't be prepared in enough numbers to pay extra to buy British when it comes to clothing and small electrical goods." That's the key reason. | |||
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"open up the pits again x" What for? To fill them in?  | |||
"I remember a friend of mine saying the same thing a few years ago. He earned £250 a day as a carpenter, when the eastern Europeans arrived and worked for £50 a day he had no chance the British owners (white) employed them to the detriment of British workers. This is the crux of the matter A Carpenter earning £50k per annum plumbers charging £1000 for a days work in some instance - as soon as a cheaper alternative came along they priced themselve out of work. " Agreed. Tradesmen were ripping people off with exorbitant prices and can't complain when their world was pulled out from underneath them by someone prepared to do a quality job for a third of the price. | |||
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"Coming from another thread about benefits thought I would put another side of the argument up. Bring back manufactoring most towns have lost the heart of the cities as most manufactoring plants have closed big businesses have gone out of business. We need to bring back jobs and communities self worth and purposes they say our fathers and their fathers had jobs that was because they had jobs to go to. Its sorry to see all the factories closed down or turned into bars or housing but where are the jobs. With rising fuel costs and other expensises. " While we are at it we could bring back walking, horses, saddles, candles, coal fires and mines, lamp lighters, tin miners, peg makers , gypsy caravans, pig drovers, land girls, munitions factories, handsome cabs , rickets, poverty , pawn brokers..... times change..... Less people are needed so more birth control. Civil war to kill off the poor and protect the toffs. We are just commodities after all. | |||
"Plenty of jobs out there ask all the Polish people. Hence the reason we don't have plenty of jobs out there! The Polish have them! I know, I am looking and getting nowhere!
They don't necessarily work any better, but they do work cheaper!
they dont work cheaper at all, the work longer, maybe.
they cant work cheaper because most manufacturing jobs are on minimum wage.
my last job on a factory floor (yes, i have been in manufacturing since i left college) i was paid only £1.50 less an hour than i am now, as a hgv driver, the difference is i can work 60 hours a week now, whereas im limited to 40 in a factory. thats the only way to make your wage decent.
good luck to you, btw
Minimum wage means Poles get paid same as everyone the difference is they don't piss about and are more flexible.
Can I ask you what sort of wages are you on and could you afford to live on minimum?
A lot of the poles are getting less than minimum and what a lot of employers like about them is health and safety is out the window
Also some live 4 to a room and get tax credits and family allowance sent back home to families that have never set foot in the UK
I CAN ASSURE YOU THEY DO WOK CHEAPER as they can afford to more than most UK citizens."+1 | |||
"I remember a friend of mine saying the same thing a few years ago. He earned £250 a day as a carpenter, when the eastern Europeans arrived and worked for £50 a day he had no chance the British owners (white) employed them to the detriment of British workers. This is the crux of the matter A Carpenter earning £50k per annum plumbers charging £1000 for a days work in some instance - as soon as a cheaper alternative came along they priced themselve out of work. Agreed. Tradesmen were ripping people off with exorbitant prices and can't complain when their world was pulled out from underneath them by someone prepared to do a quality job for a third of the price." Bollocks When as that ever happened But great compassion for an industry that's on it's arse with people losing there livelihoods and homes due to the state of the economy | |||
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"who said this and when ? "lower thier saleries and take away there right to strike " " Dont know but I hope to feck they were talking about the bwankers and bog city suits whose greed was largely responsible for this mess. But of course the friends of the government wont have to pay like the rest of us and in fact the rewards for them are even greater. | |||
"who said this and when ? "lower thier saleries and take away there right to strike " " Was It Thatcher?....Nah just kidding,It was Adolf Hitler..although the two may be interchangeable | |||
"who said this and when ? "lower thier saleries and take away there right to strike " Was It Thatcher?....Nah just kidding,It was Adolf Hitler..although the two may be interchangeable" Oh you two have just gone up on our shag list | |||
"Soylent Green we thinks.. Granny Crumpet" You two aren't old enough to remember Soylent Green ...... ? Yep .I think we are going exactly that way but not in my lifetime | |||
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"who said this and when ? "lower thier saleries and take away there right to strike " Was It Thatcher?....Nah just kidding,It was Adolf Hitler..although the two may be interchangeable" correct Adolf Hitler in 1933 but could be anyone of the current cabinet trouble is the sheep in this country can't see it there being spoon fed the demonisation of the working class by the right wing press oldest trick.in the book divide and conqcour and we are currently being conquered | |||
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"who said this and when ? "lower thier saleries and take away there right to strike " Was It Thatcher?....Nah just kidding,It was Adolf Hitler..although the two may be interchangeable correct Adolf Hitler in 1933 but could be anyone of the current cabinet trouble is the sheep in this country can't see it there being spoon fed the demonisation of the working class by the right wing press oldest trick.in the book divide and conqcour and we are currently being conquered" And all this time I thought Hitler and Thatcher was the same man Devil? Serpent? | |||
"I remember when the working classes were seen as the salt of the earth rather than the scum of the earth" Thats what I was trying to say. | |||
"who said this and when ? "lower thier saleries and take away there right to strike " Was It Thatcher?....Nah just kidding,It was Adolf Hitler..although the two may be interchangeable Oh you two have just gone up on our shag list " For knowing Mein Kampf? Tra sucks like a hoover and i can breathe thru me eyelids too | |||
"Reruns.. Err ahem " Oh get you and your t.v. times. Good film. Scary. Not the film but the entire concept. Shittifying don't you think. | |||
"who said this and when ? "lower thier saleries and take away there right to strike " Was It Thatcher?....Nah just kidding,It was Adolf Hitler..although the two may be interchangeable correct Adolf Hitler in 1933 but could be anyone of the current cabinet trouble is the sheep in this country can't see it there being spoon fed the demonisation of the working class by the right wing press oldest trick.in the book divide and conqcour and we are currently being conquered" In general there is no denying people are stupid enough to believe what they read if it is thrown down their throats enough, why cant more think for themselves. | |||
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"who said this and when ? "lower thier saleries and take away there right to strike " Was It Thatcher?....Nah just kidding,It was Adolf Hitler..although the two may be interchangeable correct Adolf Hitler in 1933 but could be anyone of the current cabinet trouble is the sheep in this country can't see it there being spoon fed the demonisation of the working class by the right wing press oldest trick.in the book divide and conqcour and we are currently being conquered In general there is no denying people are stupid enough to believe what they read if it is thrown down their throats enough, why cant more think for themselves." Remember broken Britain which was uttered and printed endlessly by the tories and tory press - Is Britain suddenly "fixed" now if so no one told me about it | |||
"Coming from another thread about benefits thought I would put another side of the argument up. Bring back manufactoring most towns have lost the heart of the cities as most manufactoring plants have closed big businesses have gone out of business. We need to bring back jobs and communities self worth and purposes they say our fathers and their fathers had jobs that was because they had jobs to go to. Its sorry to see all the factories closed down or turned into bars or housing but where are the jobs. With rising fuel costs and other expensises. While we are at it we could bring back walking, horses, saddles, candles, coal fires and mines, lamp lighters, tin miners, peg makers , gypsy caravans, pig drovers, land girls, munitions factories, handsome cabs , rickets, poverty , pawn brokers..... times change..... Less people are needed so more birth control. Civil war to kill off the poor and protect the toffs. We are just commodities after all. " Don't forget the jam butty mines Granny, they haven't been the same since you left. | |||
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"For my information lol! I dont care I wouldn't employ you anyway. I would employ the Pole as he would be working not messing about during the day online. And its not the Eastern Europeans that set wages its supply and demand. More wanting jobs in a recession so wages lower no matter where you are in the world. So, all you have is a puerile answer? I am surprised at you! Actually, I don’t “need” a job as I am gainfully employed in my own business. I earn enough for us to be comfortable over my three days, but I need to gather some information for a project that is on hold until I can gain the experience required! And of course, as an “employer” you would know that if a job is normally done at £10 per hour and someone with the same qualifications says he will do it for £7 per hour, you would be silly to refuse. That is driving down the wages, not pure over supply of workers! Dreameazy or slumberland? You haven't a clue have ya but bless you. If you did have a clue you would realise the big whole in what you have said but I won't enlighten you leave it for others to grin at. "You can always tell when you have won the argument! The other party makes vague references and starts getting personal! Well, the personal stuff started earlier and here we are with vague references! And I wasn't going to mention this... "I would employ the Pole as he would be working not messing about during the day online" Perhaps you should give the Polish guy your job too, messing about online the same as I was! What a nice colour you are Mr. Pot! Oh and definately Slumberland! I can rest easy on it because I can put my point without being rude! Night, night... | |||
"For my information lol! I dont care I wouldn't employ you anyway. I would employ the Pole as he would be working not messing about during the day online. And its not the Eastern Europeans that set wages its supply and demand. More wanting jobs in a recession so wages lower no matter where you are in the world. So, all you have is a puerile answer? I am surprised at you! Actually, I don’t “need” a job as I am gainfully employed in my own business. I earn enough for us to be comfortable over my three days, but I need to gather some information for a project that is on hold until I can gain the experience required! And of course, as an “employer” you would know that if a job is normally done at £10 per hour and someone with the same qualifications says he will do it for £7 per hour, you would be silly to refuse. That is driving down the wages, not pure over supply of workers! Dreameazy or slumberland? You haven't a clue have ya but bless you. If you did have a clue you would realise the big whole in what you have said but I won't enlighten you leave it for others to grin at.
You can always tell when you have won the argument! The other party makes vague references and starts getting personal! Well, the personal stuff started earlier and here we are with vague references!
And I wasn't going to mention this...
I would employ the Pole as he would be working not messing about during the day online
Perhaps you should give the Polish guy your job too, messing about online the same as I was! What a nice colour you are Mr. Pot!
Oh and definately Slumberland! I can rest easy on it because I can put my point without being rude! Night, night..."Touchy! He had a point though you made a mistake but it it made me smile so all good. | |||
"The problem is, is with public perception, we have some fantastic manufacturing, take Formula 1, Mercedes engines are built in Britain. But these are people that have been in it for years. The problem is the government got caught up with this obsession of parasitic businesses like accountants, stocks and shares, banking, property/estate agents which create a short burst of revenue but no new wealth, a bit like shaking a lemonade bottle, it goes everywhere, but nothing new is created. For every pound they make someone else loses. Didn't matter until now where there are more losers than winners. Manufacturing is a different matter, if I designed a car that ran on nothing, couldn't crash it would takes years to take turn a profit. The banks would rather flog the royalties to the far east, they're that short sighted." A lot right there but there are a lot of high tec mfg's in the UK its just not really pushed into the public view. I would go down the route of building Britain up as an innovator and send production to cost effective areas as we can't compete on price. All is not dead yet though in Britain. | |||
"The problem is, is with public perception, we have some fantastic manufacturing, take Formula 1, Mercedes engines are built in Britain. But these are people that have been in it for years. The problem is the government got caught up with this obsession of parasitic businesses like accountants, stocks and shares, banking, property/estate agents which create a short burst of revenue but no new wealth, a bit like shaking a lemonade bottle, it goes everywhere, but nothing new is created. For every pound they make someone else loses. Didn't matter until now where there are more losers than winners. Manufacturing is a different matter, if I designed a car that ran on nothing, couldn't crash it would takes years to take turn a profit. The banks would rather flog the royalties to the far east, they're that short sighted. A lot right there but there are a lot of high tec mfg's in the UK its just not really pushed into the public view. I would go down the route of building Britain up as an innovator and send production to cost effective areas as we can't compete on price. All is not dead yet though in Britain. "I completely disagree, if you cut the manual workers you by default cut the innovation. Top companies rely on their workers taking an interest, improves the design and cuts production cost. I work in a company that employs as many office staff as production, we have most scrap (actually about 98% of 0.4%, honestly) caused by administrative errors than machine operator errors. Not getting the fucking order right. We're a nation of pen pushers and illiterate ones at that. | |||
"The problem is, is with public perception, we have some fantastic manufacturing, take Formula 1, Mercedes engines are built in Britain. But these are people that have been in it for years. The problem is the government got caught up with this obsession of parasitic businesses like accountants, stocks and shares, banking, property/estate agents which create a short burst of revenue but no new wealth, a bit like shaking a lemonade bottle, it goes everywhere, but nothing new is created. For every pound they make someone else loses. Didn't matter until now where there are more losers than winners. Manufacturing is a different matter, if I designed a car that ran on nothing, couldn't crash it would takes years to take turn a profit. The banks would rather flog the royalties to the far east, they're that short sighted. A lot right there but there are a lot of high tec mfg's in the UK its just not really pushed into the public view. I would go down the route of building Britain up as an innovator and send production to cost effective areas as we can't compete on price. All is not dead yet though in Britain.
I completely disagree, if you cut the manual workers you by default cut the innovation. Top companies rely on their workers taking an interest, improves the design and cuts production cost.
I work in a company that employs as many office staff as production, we have most scrap (actually about 98% of 0.4%, honestly) caused by administrative errors than machine operator errors. Not getting the fucking order right.
We're a nation of pen pushers and illiterate ones at that.
I would agree. Most errors with our company are typo/input errors, but these seem to be accepted. An error in production, and its inquests & disciplinary's.
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"The problem is, is with public perception, we have some fantastic manufacturing, take Formula 1, Mercedes engines are built in Britain. But these are people that have been in it for years. The problem is the government got caught up with this obsession of parasitic businesses like accountants, stocks and shares, banking, property/estate agents which create a short burst of revenue but no new wealth, a bit like shaking a lemonade bottle, it goes everywhere, but nothing new is created. For every pound they make someone else loses. Didn't matter until now where there are more losers than winners. Manufacturing is a different matter, if I designed a car that ran on nothing, couldn't crash it would takes years to take turn a profit. The banks would rather flog the royalties to the far east, they're that short sighted. A lot right there but there are a lot of high tec mfg's in the UK its just not really pushed into the public view. I would go down the route of building Britain up as an innovator and send production to cost effective areas as we can't compete on price. All is not dead yet though in Britain.
I completely disagree, if you cut the manual workers you by default cut the innovation. Top companies rely on their workers taking an interest, improves the design and cuts production cost.
I work in a company that employs as many office staff as production, we have most scrap (actually about 98% of 0.4%, honestly) caused by administrative errors than machine operator errors. Not getting the fucking order right.
We're a nation of pen pushers and illiterate ones at that.
I would agree. Most errors with our company are typo/input errors, but these seem to be accepted. An error in production, and its inquests & disciplinary's.
"I'm a line manager and to get round the problem, I have to proof read all the orders coming down, operators have to do more checks, so we're slowed down, they demand higher output with lower operator numbers. We're soon to be getting master planners, these will know nothing other than they know all the contestants of XFactor with their media studies degree, I hoping for redundancy while they've still got some money. | |||
