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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You’re right ladies.
I just read the Begum thread from earlier. Disgusting hatred and ignorance. "
I decided to not bother looking at it. It's almost as if knew what was being said, without reading it. |
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"Interesting though; it’s taught me initial judgements based on crass usernames actually holds merit.  "
I read that one too and it's revealing that the ones that hold the controversial and hateful views never have anything to support their statements except resorting to insults. |
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By *stella OP Woman
over a year ago
London |
"You’re right ladies.
I just read the Begum thread from earlier. Disgusting hatred and ignorance.
I decided to not bother looking at it. It's almost as if knew what was being said, without reading it."
Wise. But I find it important in terms of knowing who the uneducated (yeah, yeah my opinion*) twunts are.
*except I’m right. |
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By *stella OP Woman
over a year ago
London |
"Keep to the positive ones and don't let the others get to you or get you down
This is a fun place "
No. I use this place for more reasons than light fun when it comes to tolerating intolerance. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You’re right ladies.
I just read the Begum thread from earlier. Disgusting hatred and ignorance. "
Some of the things I read on there were frightening. I'm scared to think I live among people who think like that  |
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"You’re right ladies.
I just read the Begum thread from earlier. Disgusting hatred and ignorance.
Some of the things I read on there were frightening. I'm scared to think I live among people who think like that "
They do walk among us...as Mark Twain said, “never argue with stupid people, they’ll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience” |
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By *mberWoman
over a year ago
Preston |
"You’re right ladies.
I just read the Begum thread from earlier. Disgusting hatred and ignorance.
Some of the things I read on there were frightening. I'm scared to think I live among people who think like that "
It's actually made me not want to come on the forum. I think i'm going to step back for a bit. |
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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago
Hillside desolate |
"You’re right ladies.
I just read the Begum thread from earlier. Disgusting hatred and ignorance.
Some of the things I read on there were frightening. I'm scared to think I live among people who think like that "
I think some people like to exaggerate their views, for attention or to be seen as controversial. That doesn't make them any more appealing mind you. |
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"After a recent spell on a certain step, I'm learning more to bite my tongue and avoid certain threads. 
Jo.Xx "
Recently just returned from the step myself. Apparently calling out racism will get you put there, but during my time there I saw a ridiculously transphobic thread and yet that was allowed to remain |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You’re right ladies.
I just read the Begum thread from earlier. Disgusting hatred and ignorance.
Some of the things I read on there were frightening. I'm scared to think I live among people who think like that
I think some people like to exaggerate their views, for attention or to be seen as controversial. That doesn't make them any more appealing mind you. "
I'd like to think you're right. And no it doesn't, it couldn't be less appealing |
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"You’re right ladies.
I just read the Begum thread from earlier. Disgusting hatred and ignorance.
I decided to not bother looking at it. It's almost as if knew what was being said, without reading it."
Yep, as soon as I read the first post I realised it wasn't for me and quietly backed away.
It's one thing having an informed and interesting debate, but life is too short to spend it screaming into a void.
OP there is hate on here as there is anywhere, but there is also light and warmth and joy and support.
Don't lose sight of that because of the few knobbers. |
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I ‘try’ and stick to the light hearted inclusive ones as that’s were the most fun is.
Sometimes I can’t help myself if I feel someone is over stepping the mark. I have to tell them which is my downfall  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The best revenge is to not be like your enemy." It's distressing to see the exact attitudes displayed that we're supposed to be fighting against. And even more distressing that saying so gets you branded as a terrorist sympathiser. Or calling out racism gets you called a snowflake or a trouble maker. That's actually more upsetting than the original behaviour |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Honestly, I loved that thread. I love debates. Yes we can say they are ignorant but I have always seen that as lazy. Disproving them is the best way to shut someone down.
I had a 6 hour debate straight a few weeks ago with someone who doesn't believe we landed on the moon. We are great freinds now and she messaged me saying she found that conversation a real eye opener. She is used to people always agreeing with her as she lives in LA which has a massive yes culture. Another one didn't believe that either, we debated and still talk now. She stopped me getting kicked off a train in the middle of the night at a tiny village in Hungary.
Although very different in topics, the basic lack of knowledge is the same. Under that, people can be genuinely good.
And those that are not can get fucked. You can just piss them off and fuck with them to your hearts content. |
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"After a recent spell on a certain step, I'm learning more to bite my tongue and avoid certain threads.
Jo.Xx
Recently just returned from the step myself. Apparently calling out racism will get you put there, but during my time there I saw a ridiculously transphobic thread and yet that was allowed to remain"
I here you.
It's all Bonkers....
But we carry on regardless.
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By *ayRosesWoman
over a year ago
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"Honestly, I loved that thread. I love debates. Yes we can say they are ignorant but I have always seen that as lazy. Disproving them is the best way to shut someone down.
I had a 6 hour debate straight a few weeks ago with someone who doesn't believe we landed on the moon. We are great freinds now and she messaged me saying she found that conversation a real eye opener. She is used to people always agreeing with her as she lives in LA which has a massive yes culture. Another one didn't believe that either, we debated and still talk now. She stopped me getting kicked off a train in the middle of the night at a tiny village in Hungary.
Although very different in topics, the basic lack of knowledge is the same. Under that, people can be genuinely good.
And those that are not can get fucked. You can just piss them off and fuck with them to your hearts content."
Maybe I've just read the wrong posts then, it just seems like there's a lot of bitterness and bigotry. I love a good debate, even with someone I fundamentally disagree with, but so many seem to want to just stuck to their opinions and not even try to comprehend that there might be an alternate view. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Bite it, zip it, deep breaths a lot lately..... but sometimes some things have to be challenged and your thoughts said "
I very much agree with this. I'm never afraid to call it out and challenge it but I do pick my battles a bit more carefully these days. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Honestly, I loved that thread. I love debates. Yes we can say they are ignorant but I have always seen that as lazy. Disproving them is the best way to shut someone down.
I had a 6 hour debate straight a few weeks ago with someone who doesn't believe we landed on the moon. We are great freinds now and she messaged me saying she found that conversation a real eye opener. She is used to people always agreeing with her as she lives in LA which has a massive yes culture. Another one didn't believe that either, we debated and still talk now. She stopped me getting kicked off a train in the middle of the night at a tiny village in Hungary.
Although very different in topics, the basic lack of knowledge is the same. Under that, people can be genuinely good.
And those that are not can get fucked. You can just piss them off and fuck with them to your hearts content.
Maybe I've just read the wrong posts then, it just seems like there's a lot of bitterness and bigotry. I love a good debate, even with someone I fundamentally disagree with, but so many seem to want to just stuck to their opinions and not even try to comprehend that there might be an alternate view."
Not going to lie, it does mirror what gab is now. I noticed it after a break for a few months. It is sad but you can only meet it head on in a mature and direct way. Shutting it down through putting our head in the sand should not be the answer. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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" It is sad but you can only meet it head on in a mature and direct way. Shutting it down through putting our head in the sand should not be the answer."
It's a massive help to know its not just you that feels this way and I'm grateful for this thread. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Sorry to say in life there is alot of haters. As long as your enjoying yourself that's what matters. There just jealous that your life is better than theres ???? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Sorry to say in life there is alot of haters. As long as your enjoying yourself that's what matters. There just jealous that your life is better than theres ????"
Haters gotta hate. And potatoes gotta potate  |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Travelling |
"Honestly, I loved that thread. I love debates. Yes we can say they are ignorant but I have always seen that as lazy. Disproving them is the best way to shut someone down.
I had a 6 hour debate straight a few weeks ago with someone who doesn't believe we landed on the moon. We are great freinds now and she messaged me saying she found that conversation a real eye opener. She is used to people always agreeing with her as she lives in LA which has a massive yes culture. Another one didn't believe that either, we debated and still talk now. She stopped me getting kicked off a train in the middle of the night at a tiny village in Hungary.
Although very different in topics, the basic lack of knowledge is the same. Under that, people can be genuinely good.
And those that are not can get fucked. You can just piss them off and fuck with them to your hearts content.
Maybe I've just read the wrong posts then, it just seems like there's a lot of bitterness and bigotry. I love a good debate, even with someone I fundamentally disagree with, but so many seem to want to just stuck to their opinions and not even try to comprehend that there might be an alternate view."
Very few people actually have the capacity to have a civilized debate. It requires being open to, even if you disagree, with what the other side's views are. The generalised reaction is that of a battering ram with their opinion and views with zero chance of wiggle room.
Just because somebody disagrees with other people's views and opinions does not make either of you wrong or right. Both sides are capable of hurling insults, quite brutal ones at that too, neither side is immune to lowering the tone. Everyone has a right to their opinion, not just when it suits "your" own pov.
I agree with above, if we all thought the same then things would be extremely boring. Though I dislike when hate filled comments and insults enter the topic. At that point you lose all credibility in trying to put your point across to me. |
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By *ayRosesWoman
over a year ago
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Very few people actually have the capacity to have a civilized debate. It requires being open to, even if you disagree, with what the other side's views are. The generalised reaction is that of a battering ram with their opinion and views with zero chance of wiggle room.
Just because somebody disagrees with other people's views and opinions does not make either of you wrong or right. Both sides are capable of hurling insults, quite brutal ones at that too, neither side is immune to lowering the tone. Everyone has a right to their opinion, not just when it suits "your" own pov.
I agree with above, if we all thought the same then things would be extremely boring. Though I dislike when hate filled comments and insults enter the topic. At that point you lose all credibility in trying to put your point across to me. "
That's the thing, some people will just repeat the same tired tropes they've read in the Express / Guardian (depending on political viewpoint) without actually even understanding the issues or attempting to understand why there might be an opposing position.
There's a lot of unnecessary gloating as well. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I've been really shocked at what's tolerated here "
I’ve just read it, and it beggars belief! Tbh, I’m not altogether shocked, as there are so many offensive posts and points of view here on a daily basis xx |
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By *stella OP Woman
over a year ago
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To the comments above suggesting debate rather than hate; I would have (I usually do) but I was busy working with a group of previously radicalised ex-offenders. The thread ended, I read it. I made my commentary in this thread. It was a vent, and clearly so, after a long days work.
I also can’t imagine, to the chap who maturely debated with the lady who believed the world was flat, that your debate would have contained some of the vitriol that the thread I referred to did. |
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"To the comments above suggesting debate rather than hate; I would have (I usually do) but I was busy working with a group of previously radicalised ex-offenders. The thread ended, I read it. I made my commentary in this thread. It was a vent, and clearly so, after a long days work.
I also can’t imagine, to the chap who maturely debated with the lady who believed the world was flat, that your debate would have contained some of the vitriol that the thread I referred to did."
I’m all for debate but sometimes you can’t debate stupid  |
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"After a recent spell on a certain step, I'm learning more to bite my tongue and avoid certain threads.
Jo.Xx
Recently just returned from the step myself. Apparently calling out racism will get you put there, but during my time there I saw a ridiculously transphobic thread and yet that was allowed to remain"
Well I'm equally shocked .....oh tsssssst ! |
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"I ‘try’ and stick to the light hearted inclusive ones as that’s were the most fun is.
Sometimes I can’t help myself if I feel someone is over stepping the mark. I have to tell them which is my downfall "
No. Stand up and be counted. It's important for humanity. BUT don't overstep the mark and get banned. DONT stoop to their level and perhaps just leave TWO alternative views and then fuck off.... That's on here not in reality.
On here you are pissing in the wind alone and simply starting a game of 'fetch' with dogs that just want the argument.
You have power in not bending to what they say but always leave a differing view so that others know there are decent folk around..... Then like I say go to another thread... uhmmmm which I think I put as fuck off. |
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I never read any threads last night. I'm going to look for them now.
There is something that is highly ironic on a great number of threads.
It is when someone who professes to disagree with what others say-begin the name calling. YES I do mean YOU.
Seems that even the self identified 'goodies' can't state an alternative view without beginning or ending it with an insult.
When there is a playground fight your part in it is determined by your behaviour / methods, not your point of view. |
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P.S. Estella. I'm off to read a thread or two. I'm not sure that labelling others views as hate, even if you believe it is , helps in any way.
Did any of the people who's views you disagree with use the word 'hate' ?
I'm also not sure that the habit some have of starting their own thread to malign the views of others and employ emotional titles helps either.
The view that they HATE is yours.
( bear in mind I haven't read any threads, so my mind might change a little. I'm off to now ) |
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""The best revenge is to not be like your enemy." It's distressing to see the exact attitudes displayed that we're supposed to be fighting against. And even more distressing that saying so gets you branded as a terrorist sympathiser. Or calling out racism gets you called a snowflake or a trouble maker. That's actually more upsetting than the original behaviour "
It's always the people with the most hateful views, and who bang on about 'PC gone mad/can't say anything these days', who are the ones to shout "Snowflake!" when their views are challenged. It's almost like they're trying to shut down the debate or something... |
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Unfortunately, despite what many of us would assume, being a swinger and therefore liberal in one sense, doesn’t preclude you from being uninformed, a racist or misogynist, all of which were evident in droves in that thread and many others. It does help thin out the competition though. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
I have a theory about populism. People with less tolerance, experience and understanding of diversity/culture are more likely to post online because it’s a form of venting frustration at a changing world that they feel left behind in.
So gauging any form of opinion from online forums / comments is flawed, the data is skewed as most people are nice but don’t feel the need to post positivity |
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"You’re right ladies.
I just read the Begum thread from earlier. Disgusting hatred and ignorance. "
I'm first generation Windrush. Absolutely NOTHING I've read here, the comments I hear out and about has surprised me in the slightest, or any black person my generation I know.
My children are surprised because they were raised in a different generation but not shocked as they've heard the stories.
I think it's white people in the main who are shocked. Usually those who believed there's no longer racism and those who claimed it, had chips on their shoulders. When confronted with it as in the Begum thread, they're "shocked".
No shock here. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Unfortunately, despite what many of us would assume, being a swinger and therefore liberal in one sense, doesn’t preclude you from being uninformed, a racist or misogynist, all of which were evident in droves in that thread and many others. It does help thin out the competition though. "
Terrifyingly, one of the worst things said on there was by someone I'd considered meeting. I've never had a red flag prove more accurate. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Ugh. Sometimes the views of people on this forum make me shudder.
I needed to vent. Sigh.
Yeah you'd think people in this scene would be more tolerant and understanding but no.
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It's almost like you don't read any threads
Many swingers come across as the least tolerant folks imaginable |
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I re read the Begum thread. I'd part read it last night. I disagree with a lot of what is said in it but not in the way it is said.
There are also comments from those that either weren't taking the thread serious or don't have anything with actual knowledge or information to add.
This thread however belongs in exactly the same box. Such a lot of empty' emotional' adjectives hurled at others but nothing substantial said.
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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago
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I've just read the first portion of that thread and had to stop.
Personally I'm glad that I missed it at the time. The fact that there is so much reactionary judgement based on so little information is sadly not a new thing |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You’re right ladies.
I just read the Begum thread from earlier. Disgusting hatred and ignorance.
I'm first generation Windrush. Absolutely NOTHING I've read here, the comments I hear out and about has surprised me in the slightest, or any black person my generation I know.
My children are surprised because they were raised in a different generation but not shocked as they've heard the stories.
I think it's white people in the main who are shocked. Usually those who believed there's no longer racism and those who claimed it, had chips on their shoulders. When confronted with it as in the Begum thread, they're "shocked".
No shock here."
No, I'm not shocked at the posts, I knew exactly how that thread would go. I'm shocked that they're left on here. I've not chatted anywhere it was tolerated before. I felt the spanking scene wasn't as tolerant of sexuality as it could be but racism and racial slurs weren't tolerated at all. Here they clearly are. That's all I'm shocked by. |
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I respect your comment OP. I am not sure the Begum thread was hate filled but certainly some hateful comments whether genuine or for affect.
Hate is a strong word. I only hate walnuts. Despise them. I am allergic to them. Some people, and not the OP, are very intolerant of an opposing view and call it hate. Often it's just an opposing view.
Intolerance in the name of tolerance can be as hate filled as those they oppose. The far left are as hate filled as the far right in my opinion. Mainly, the contributers lean to the left in the forum's and I do wonder why?
Good thread OP
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The question is..... were the views racist.
I don't think we all agree on what racism is. "
I wasn't just thinking of that thread to be honest. And what's on there goes beyond racism to me, it's complete dehumanisation. Someone suggested bolling in oil and someone else said the death penalty wouldn't be harsh enough. This has nothing to do with security or protecting anyone, it's just boiling hatred and savagery. It's frightening. Well I think it is and I wouldn't allow such a person in my life or my home. |
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I am often rolling my eyes regularly at comments in these forums.
I have never known such a large group of judgemental, narrow mined people all in one place before.
Nor have I come across a group of people who can get offended at the slightest things in one place.
Pleased our lives are full of people that don't fit into the above 'groups'. It would drive us round the bend. |
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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago
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Hate is a strong word isn’t it but sometimes hate is what you feel on here.
I don’t always read the ‘deep’ threads but what I do notice is the sheer amount of vitriol in the comments. Why opinions can’t be given without the nastiness I’m not sure.
I accept people having differing views and that’s fine, that’s life. Discussion and debate is healthy however it can be done without wanting to kill someone. |
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There are threads I actively avoid and that was one of them.
I've not been on the forums as much because some of the threads in recent weeks have been unsavoury at best and depressing at worst.
I sometimes have to check I'm on FAB and not the Daily Mail website by mistake.
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"There are threads I actively avoid and that was one of them.
I've not been on the forums as much because some of the threads in recent weeks have been unsavoury at best and depressing at worst.
I sometimes have to check I'm on FAB and not the Daily Mail website by mistake.
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"You’re right ladies.
I just read the Begum thread from earlier. Disgusting hatred and ignorance. "
I’d avoided the thread but seeing your post I’ve had a look. My heart sank reading some of the posts, but rem_mbering the words of my children on the subject gives me hope |
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I stopped reading and made only one comment because i feel that platform is given to those who seek to incite. This puts me in a quandry because when they do comment I realise I do need to hear it, I do need to see inside and have the inner machinations of people revealed. I then find it ironic that 'the goodies' ( they are always self appointed ) behave in a worse manner. I may share a lot of the 'right minded' thinking but I loathe the way they give themselves the right to be even more obnoxious. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Just ignore it. I dont mind a debate but if i dont like someones view (which they're perfectly entitled too) i just ignore and look at another post. People will always have different views. |
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"I stopped reading and made only one comment because i feel that platform is given to those who seek to incite. This puts me in a quandry because when they do comment I realise I do need to hear it, I do need to see inside and have the inner machinations of people revealed. I then find it ironic that 'the goodies' ( they are always self appointed ) behave in a worse manner. I may share a lot of the 'right minded' thinking but I loathe the way they give themselves the right to be even more obnoxious."
GC.. please don't say you support 'no platforming'.
I have never thought that was the best policy at universities for example. Putting Nick Griffen from the BNP on Question Time was a good thing. Nobody has heard from him since |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think someone on that thread hit the nail on the head saying it's the dishing out of flippant, simple, medieval solutions to complex problems that I find frustrating. Life must be a lot easier if you can only see things in black and white, goodies v baddies. I feel like my head might explode when I venture into threads like that so I avoid it generally.
I liked this article on cognitive simplicity and extremism. Thought some of you might find it interesting.
https://doi.org/10.1177%2F0963721418817755
Psychological Features of Extreme Political Ideologies
Jan-Willem van Prooijen, André P. M. Krouwel |
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"I wasn't shocked at the comments made at all. Just shocked the post was 'allowed' to stay active.
All for a good debate though hey?!
Jo.Xx "
I didn't think that the thread should have been stopped but the giver taker one maybe? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There are threads I actively avoid and that was one of them.
I've not been on the forums as much because some of the threads in recent weeks have been unsavoury at best and depressing at worst.
I sometimes have to check I'm on FAB and not the Daily Mail website by mistake.
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Sometimes I think the daily mail is quite tame compared to here. The thread yesterday was what I imagine storefront to be like. Hatred, ignorance and intolerance. It's not an attractive combination |
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"There are threads I actively avoid and that was one of them.
I've not been on the forums as much because some of the threads in recent weeks have been unsavoury at best and depressing at worst.
I sometimes have to check I'm on FAB and not the Daily Mail website by mistake.
Sometimes I think the daily mail is quite tame compared to here. The thread yesterday was what I imagine storefront to be like. Hatred, ignorance and intolerance. It's not an attractive combination "
It's just being human.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As much as threads, well, the content can get me heated, I'm glad people display their truths on a public platform. I'd much rather that than find out someone was merely wool pulling to curry favour and keep their "meet pool" as large as possible.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There are threads I actively avoid and that was one of them.
I've not been on the forums as much because some of the threads in recent weeks have been unsavoury at best and depressing at worst.
I sometimes have to check I'm on FAB and not the Daily Mail website by mistake.
Sometimes I think the daily mail is quite tame compared to here. The thread yesterday was what I imagine storefront to be like. Hatred, ignorance and intolerance. It's not an attractive combination
It's just being human.. "
No it's not. That's an incredibly weak excuse for justifying behaviour and beliefs. |
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"Ugh. Sometimes the views of people on this forum make me shudder.
I needed to vent. Sigh."
It's great though as it acts as a perfect filter on who to block, better than people pretending to be nice when they're not |
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"There are threads I actively avoid and that was one of them.
I've not been on the forums as much because some of the threads in recent weeks have been unsavoury at best and depressing at worst.
I sometimes have to check I'm on FAB and not the Daily Mail website by mistake.
Sometimes I think the daily mail is quite tame compared to here. The thread yesterday was what I imagine storefront to be like. Hatred, ignorance and intolerance. It's not an attractive combination
It's just being human..
No it's not. That's an incredibly weak excuse for justifying behaviour and beliefs. "
I actually think it's being INhuman. |
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By *manaWoman
over a year ago
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"There are threads I actively avoid and that was one of them.
I've not been on the forums as much because some of the threads in recent weeks have been unsavoury at best and depressing at worst.
I sometimes have to check I'm on FAB and not the Daily Mail website by mistake.
Sometimes I think the daily mail is quite tame compared to here. The thread yesterday was what I imagine storefront to be like. Hatred, ignorance and intolerance. It's not an attractive combination
It's just being human..
No it's not. That's an incredibly weak excuse for justifying behaviour and beliefs. "
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"After a recent spell on a certain step, I'm learning more to bite my tongue and avoid certain threads.
Jo.Xx "
Agreed , However when placed on the naughty step , admin state that they want chat rooms to be " Fun " whilst allowing the most antagonistic threads to be posted ..A no win situation i feel |
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By *rHotNottsMan
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Just actually re read it hoping to fill up my block list of all the bigots and only managed 2, got about half way through. There’s clearly views expressed about being very tough on terrorists and a complete lack of sympathy for a groomed/radicalised kid, even some strong views on crime and capital punishment, but not really anything too racist, maybe some undertones. Maybe we’re the intolerant ones for deciding those views aren’t allowed ?
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By *stella OP Woman
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"Just actually re read it hoping to fill up my block list of all the bigots and only managed 2, got about half way through. There’s clearly views expressed about being very tough on terrorists and a complete lack of sympathy for a groomed/radicalised kid, even some strong views on crime and capital punishment, but not really anything too racist, maybe some undertones. Maybe we’re the intolerant ones for deciding those views aren’t allowed ?
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Your comment may not be directly to me however I wanted to reply; I’ve not labelled anything racist, just expressed that I find certain opinions on the thread full of hatred and disgusting. And I’ve not made any commentary that people are not allowed to express their opinions simply because I wholeheartedly disagree with them. I’m also fine with being labelled intolerant of intolerance, I said as much further up the thread. Simply exercising my right to say ugh.
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"Just actually re read it hoping to fill up my block list of all the bigots and only managed 2, got about half way through. There’s clearly views expressed about being very tough on terrorists and a complete lack of sympathy for a groomed/radicalised kid, even some strong views on crime and capital punishment, but not really anything too racist, maybe some undertones. Maybe we’re the intolerant ones for deciding those views aren’t allowed ?
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There's certainly some irony in that post. Nothing as intolerant as the tolerant left |
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Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. |
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Which particular views? The ones that say they'd boil someone in oil or that death wouldn't be a harsh enough punishment? Because that's what I objected to. Are we supposed to be be tolerant of torture? Isn't that what ISIS do? |
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"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."
Apologies, that should have been in quotations; it’s the paradox of tolerance. |
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"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."
I like your logic it's just that I am incapable of understanding it.. |
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"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.
I like your logic it's just that I am incapable of understanding it.."
Apologies, it’s not mine; it’s Karl Popper’s logic (I pressed post before citing!) |
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"Which particular views? The ones that say they'd boil someone in oil or that death wouldn't be a harsh enough punishment? Because that's what I objected to. Are we supposed to be be tolerant of torture? Isn't that what ISIS do? "
Well you certainly can take a literal interpretation of anything posted. I don't choose to. If somebody puts a case for capital punishment then it's a debate. If the debate is distressing then I suggest you don't join the debate. The case of Begum's future is another debate played out by the authorities and reported in the press and it polarises views. It's good to hear others views even if they are poles away from our own |
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"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.
I like your logic it's just that I am incapable of understanding it.."
So which do you think is worse. The hatred of muslims. Or calling out those views?
Oh and I have zero tolerance for racists. Absolute scum. I have no shame in that. But I'm judging them for their beliefs. Which they've chosen. Not for their religion or skin colour. And that's a big difference |
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"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.
I like your logic it's just that I am incapable of understanding it..
So which do you think is worse. The hatred of muslims. Or calling out those views?
Oh and I have zero tolerance for racists. Absolute scum. I have no shame in that. But I'm judging them for their beliefs. Which they've chosen. Not for their religion or skin colour. And that's a big difference "
Another post that baffles me sorry.. |
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"Which particular views? The ones that say they'd boil someone in oil or that death wouldn't be a harsh enough punishment? Because that's what I objected to. Are we supposed to be be tolerant of torture? Isn't that what ISIS do?
Well you certainly can take a literal interpretation of anything posted. I don't choose to. If somebody puts a case for capital punishment then it's a debate. If the debate is distressing then I suggest you don't join the debate. The case of Begum's future is another debate played out by the authorities and reported in the press and it polarises views. It's good to hear others views even if they are poles away from our own "
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"Which particular views? The ones that say they'd boil someone in oil or that death wouldn't be a harsh enough punishment? Because that's what I objected to. Are we supposed to be be tolerant of torture? Isn't that what ISIS do?
Well you certainly can take a literal interpretation of anything posted. I don't choose to. If somebody puts a case for capital punishment then it's a debate. If the debate is distressing then I suggest you don't join the debate. The case of Begum's future is another debate played out by the authorities and reported in the press and it polarises views. It's good to hear others views even if they are poles away from our own
It's good to hear people say they're in favour of torture? Why? "
Well ask those who posted it... I am as interested as you for their reasons? I am sure they have their reasons, revenge, to get information, to save lives maybe.. |
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"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.
I like your logic it's just that I am incapable of understanding it..
So which do you think is worse. The hatred of muslims. Or calling out those views?
Oh and I have zero tolerance for racists. Absolute scum. I have no shame in that. But I'm judging them for their beliefs. Which they've chosen. Not for their religion or skin colour. And that's a big difference
Another post that baffles me sorry.."
Okay. I think hating someone based on their place of birth, their religion their skin colour is ridiculous. It defies all sense and is so far removed from my own (according to you intolerant) views that I have nothing but contempt for someone whos beliefs are so blinded by intolerance, bigotry and hatred. |
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"Which particular views? The ones that say they'd boil someone in oil or that death wouldn't be a harsh enough punishment? Because that's what I objected to. Are we supposed to be be tolerant of torture? Isn't that what ISIS do?
Well you certainly can take a literal interpretation of anything posted. I don't choose to. If somebody puts a case for capital punishment then it's a debate. If the debate is distressing then I suggest you don't join the debate. The case of Begum's future is another debate played out by the authorities and reported in the press and it polarises views. It's good to hear others views even if they are poles away from our own
It's good to hear people say they're in favour of torture? Why?
Well ask those who posted it... I am as interested as you for their reasons? I am sure they have their reasons, revenge, to get information, to save lives maybe.. "
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"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.
I like your logic it's just that I am incapable of understanding it..
So which do you think is worse. The hatred of muslims. Or calling out those views?
Oh and I have zero tolerance for racists. Absolute scum. I have no shame in that. But I'm judging them for their beliefs. Which they've chosen. Not for their religion or skin colour. And that's a big difference
Another post that baffles me sorry..
Okay. I think hating someone based on their place of birth, their religion their skin colour is ridiculous. It defies all sense and is so far removed from my own (according to you intolerant) views that I have nothing but contempt for someone whos beliefs are so blinded by intolerance, bigotry and hatred. "
Do you hate them ? |
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"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.
I like your logic it's just that I am incapable of understanding it..
So which do you think is worse. The hatred of muslims. Or calling out those views?
Oh and I have zero tolerance for racists. Absolute scum. I have no shame in that. But I'm judging them for their beliefs. Which they've chosen. Not for their religion or skin colour. And that's a big difference
Another post that baffles me sorry..
Okay. I think hating someone based on their place of birth, their religion their skin colour is ridiculous. It defies all sense and is so far removed from my own (according to you intolerant) views that I have nothing but contempt for someone whos beliefs are so blinded by intolerance, bigotry and hatred.
Do you hate them ?"
I hate racism. I tend not to hate on people even if I find their beliefs abhorrent. |
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"Which particular views? The ones that say they'd boil someone in oil or that death wouldn't be a harsh enough punishment? Because that's what I objected to. Are we supposed to be be tolerant of torture? Isn't that what ISIS do?
Well you certainly can take a literal interpretation of anything posted. I don't choose to. If somebody puts a case for capital punishment then it's a debate. If the debate is distressing then I suggest you don't join the debate. The case of Begum's future is another debate played out by the authorities and reported in the press and it polarises views. It's good to hear others views even if they are poles away from our own
It's good to hear people say they're in favour of torture? Why?
Well ask those who posted it... I am as interested as you for their reasons? I am sure they have their reasons, revenge, to get information, to save lives maybe..
Torture people for revenge? Seriously? "
People have tortured for revenge as long as humans have existed... That's serious |
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"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.
I like your logic it's just that I am incapable of understanding it..
So which do you think is worse. The hatred of muslims. Or calling out those views?
Oh and I have zero tolerance for racists. Absolute scum. I have no shame in that. But I'm judging them for their beliefs. Which they've chosen. Not for their religion or skin colour. And that's a big difference
Another post that baffles me sorry..
Okay. I think hating someone based on their place of birth, their religion their skin colour is ridiculous. It defies all sense and is so far removed from my own (according to you intolerant) views that I have nothing but contempt for someone whos beliefs are so blinded by intolerance, bigotry and hatred.
Do you hate them ?
I hate racism. I tend not to hate on people even if I find their beliefs abhorrent."
Good. Do not have hate in your heart fella |
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"Which particular views? The ones that say they'd boil someone in oil or that death wouldn't be a harsh enough punishment? Because that's what I objected to. Are we supposed to be be tolerant of torture? Isn't that what ISIS do?
Well you certainly can take a literal interpretation of anything posted. I don't choose to. If somebody puts a case for capital punishment then it's a debate. If the debate is distressing then I suggest you don't join the debate. The case of Begum's future is another debate played out by the authorities and reported in the press and it polarises views. It's good to hear others views even if they are poles away from our own
It's good to hear people say they're in favour of torture? Why?
Well ask those who posted it... I am as interested as you for their reasons? I am sure they have their reasons, revenge, to get information, to save lives maybe..
Torture people for revenge? Seriously?
People have tortured for revenge as long as humans have existed... That's serious "
But no right minded person would ever think that is a good idea. Likewise torturing people for information. Its completely inhumane and barbaric |
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"Which particular views? The ones that say they'd boil someone in oil or that death wouldn't be a harsh enough punishment? Because that's what I objected to. Are we supposed to be be tolerant of torture? Isn't that what ISIS do?
Well you certainly can take a literal interpretation of anything posted. I don't choose to. If somebody puts a case for capital punishment then it's a debate. If the debate is distressing then I suggest you don't join the debate. The case of Begum's future is another debate played out by the authorities and reported in the press and it polarises views. It's good to hear others views even if they are poles away from our own
It's good to hear people say they're in favour of torture? Why?
Well ask those who posted it... I am as interested as you for their reasons? I am sure they have their reasons, revenge, to get information, to save lives maybe.. "
No... I don't think you get it. There's no such thing as legal torture. Any torture is a criminal activity. Do you actually understand what you're talking about and what you started a thread about? |
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over a year ago
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"Which particular views? The ones that say they'd boil someone in oil or that death wouldn't be a harsh enough punishment? Because that's what I objected to. Are we supposed to be be tolerant of torture? Isn't that what ISIS do?
Well you certainly can take a literal interpretation of anything posted. I don't choose to. If somebody puts a case for capital punishment then it's a debate. If the debate is distressing then I suggest you don't join the debate. The case of Begum's future is another debate played out by the authorities and reported in the press and it polarises views. It's good to hear others views even if they are poles away from our own
It's good to hear people say they're in favour of torture? Why?
Well ask those who posted it... I am as interested as you for their reasons? I am sure they have their reasons, revenge, to get information, to save lives maybe.. "
That’s not what she asked Tom. You said it was good to hear different views, she asked you why you thought it was good to hear about people expressing a view in favour of torture. So she can’t ask the people with the views why *you* think their views are good to hear.
Sorry, just a point of order. |
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Ok.. let's have a moral dilemma. A terrorist group has taken your child.. The authorities have captured a terrorist.. if they water board the terrorist they will get information leading to the safe evacuation of your child.. if they don't torture then your child will die ..
As a parent are you up for torture or not ? |
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"Ok.. let's have a moral dilemma. A terrorist group has taken your child.. The authorities have captured a terrorist.. if they water board the terrorist they will get information leading to the safe evacuation of your child.. if they don't torture then your child will die ..
As a parent are you up for torture or not ?"
I think that any parent would do anything to save their child life. But this is a hypothetical scenario that could never happen so it's a bit pointless |
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"Ok.. let's have a moral dilemma. A terrorist group has taken your child.. The authorities have captured a terrorist.. if they water board the terrorist they will get information leading to the safe evacuation of your child.. if they don't torture then your child will die ..
As a parent are you up for torture or not ?"
Personally, I think certain degrees of torture are acceptable if lives can be saved. |
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"Ok.. let's have a moral dilemma. A terrorist group has taken your child.. The authorities have captured a terrorist.. if they water board the terrorist they will get information leading to the safe evacuation of your child.. if they don't torture then your child will die ..
As a parent are you up for torture or not ?"
I don’t accept the premise of the dilemma. Torture does not elicit truth. |
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"Which particular views? The ones that say they'd boil someone in oil or that death wouldn't be a harsh enough punishment? Because that's what I objected to. Are we supposed to be be tolerant of torture? Isn't that what ISIS do?
Well you certainly can take a literal interpretation of anything posted. I don't choose to. If somebody puts a case for capital punishment then it's a debate. If the debate is distressing then I suggest you don't join the debate. The case of Begum's future is another debate played out by the authorities and reported in the press and it polarises views. It's good to hear others views even if they are poles away from our own
It's good to hear people say they're in favour of torture? Why?
Well ask those who posted it... I am as interested as you for their reasons? I am sure they have their reasons, revenge, to get information, to save lives maybe..
No... I don't think you get it. There's no such thing as legal torture. Any torture is a criminal activity. Do you actually understand what you're talking about and what you started a thread about? "
It's not my thread. The thread is about hate. Font confuse other people's views with my own.. |
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"Ok.. let's have a moral dilemma. A terrorist group has taken your child.. The authorities have captured a terrorist.. if they water board the terrorist they will get information leading to the safe evacuation of your child.. if they don't torture then your child will die ..
As a parent are you up for torture or not ?
I don’t accept the premise of the dilemma. Torture does not elicit truth. "
Not ever ? |
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"Which particular views? The ones that say they'd boil someone in oil or that death wouldn't be a harsh enough punishment? Because that's what I objected to. Are we supposed to be be tolerant of torture? Isn't that what ISIS do?
Well you certainly can take a literal interpretation of anything posted. I don't choose to. If somebody puts a case for capital punishment then it's a debate. If the debate is distressing then I suggest you don't join the debate. The case of Begum's future is another debate played out by the authorities and reported in the press and it polarises views. It's good to hear others views even if they are poles away from our own
It's good to hear people say they're in favour of torture? Why?
Well ask those who posted it... I am as interested as you for their reasons? I am sure they have their reasons, revenge, to get information, to save lives maybe..
No... I don't think you get it. There's no such thing as legal torture. Any torture is a criminal activity. Do you actually understand what you're talking about and what you started a thread about?
It's not my thread. The thread is about hate. Font confuse other people's views with my own.. "
She was referencing your thread on Begum, Tom.
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"Ok.. let's have a moral dilemma. A terrorist group has taken your child.. The authorities have captured a terrorist.. if they water board the terrorist they will get information leading to the safe evacuation of your child.. if they don't torture then your child will die ..
As a parent are you up for torture or not ?
I think that any parent would do anything to save their child life. But this is a hypothetical scenario that could never happen so it's a bit pointless "
And if you were or are a parent you would sanction that torture for sure as you say.. |
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"Which particular views? The ones that say they'd boil someone in oil or that death wouldn't be a harsh enough punishment? Because that's what I objected to. Are we supposed to be be tolerant of torture? Isn't that what ISIS do?
Well you certainly can take a literal interpretation of anything posted. I don't choose to. If somebody puts a case for capital punishment then it's a debate. If the debate is distressing then I suggest you don't join the debate. The case of Begum's future is another debate played out by the authorities and reported in the press and it polarises views. It's good to hear others views even if they are poles away from our own
It's good to hear people say they're in favour of torture? Why?
Well ask those who posted it... I am as interested as you for their reasons? I am sure they have their reasons, revenge, to get information, to save lives maybe..
No... I don't think you get it. There's no such thing as legal torture. Any torture is a criminal activity. Do you actually understand what you're talking about and what you started a thread about?
It's not my thread. The thread is about hate. Font confuse other people's views with my own.. "
I meant the thread about Shamima Begum you started. What I'm trying to say is that in this country we punish criminals with imprisonment. There's no legal procedure for harming them physically. I could understand people thinking Shamima Begum should be imprisoned if she were allowed back in to the UK. What I can't understand or accept is people saying she should be put to death or tortured. We don't do that. ISIS do that. We don't. It's pretty simple. |
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"Which particular views? The ones that say they'd boil someone in oil or that death wouldn't be a harsh enough punishment? Because that's what I objected to. Are we supposed to be be tolerant of torture? Isn't that what ISIS do?
Well you certainly can take a literal interpretation of anything posted. I don't choose to. If somebody puts a case for capital punishment then it's a debate. If the debate is distressing then I suggest you don't join the debate. The case of Begum's future is another debate played out by the authorities and reported in the press and it polarises views. It's good to hear others views even if they are poles away from our own
It's good to hear people say they're in favour of torture? Why?
Well ask those who posted it... I am as interested as you for their reasons? I am sure they have their reasons, revenge, to get information, to save lives maybe..
No... I don't think you get it. There's no such thing as legal torture. Any torture is a criminal activity. Do you actually understand what you're talking about and what you started a thread about?
It's not my thread. The thread is about hate. Font confuse other people's views with my own..
She was referencing your thread on Begum, Tom.
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"Which particular views? The ones that say they'd boil someone in oil or that death wouldn't be a harsh enough punishment? Because that's what I objected to. Are we supposed to be be tolerant of torture? Isn't that what ISIS do?
Well you certainly can take a literal interpretation of anything posted. I don't choose to. If somebody puts a case for capital punishment then it's a debate. If the debate is distressing then I suggest you don't join the debate. The case of Begum's future is another debate played out by the authorities and reported in the press and it polarises views. It's good to hear others views even if they are poles away from our own
It's good to hear people say they're in favour of torture? Why?
Well ask those who posted it... I am as interested as you for their reasons? I am sure they have their reasons, revenge, to get information, to save lives maybe..
No... I don't think you get it. There's no such thing as legal torture. Any torture is a criminal activity. Do you actually understand what you're talking about and what you started a thread about?
It's not my thread. The thread is about hate. Font confuse other people's views with my own..
She was referencing your thread on Begum, Tom.
Don’t worry I’m here all week. "
Well done Estella. Your explanations are much clearer than some other posters.
In the Begun thread or this one I have never endorsed torture. I have said that I am interested in other people's views. I was asked to speculate on reasons why they may hold those views and people assume I hold them. I don't. I am not the brightest but I hope that clarifies |
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"Ok.. let's have a moral dilemma. A terrorist group has taken your child.. The authorities have captured a terrorist.. if they water board the terrorist they will get information leading to the safe evacuation of your child.. if they don't torture then your child will die ..
As a parent are you up for torture or not ?
I think that any parent would do anything to save their child life. But this is a hypothetical scenario that could never happen so it's a bit pointless "
There have been instances where a kidn*pper has been apprehended away from where they've stashed the child, and then refused to give away the child's location. This happens more than you think in Africa, usually due to inter-tribal conflict. The families of the children rarely go to the authorities because they know that they are unlikely to ever see the child again. Those families that "persuade" the kidn*ppers to talk usually always have a far more successful conclusion to the crime. |
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"Which particular views? The ones that say they'd boil someone in oil or that death wouldn't be a harsh enough punishment? Because that's what I objected to. Are we supposed to be be tolerant of torture? Isn't that what ISIS do?
Well you certainly can take a literal interpretation of anything posted. I don't choose to. If somebody puts a case for capital punishment then it's a debate. If the debate is distressing then I suggest you don't join the debate. The case of Begum's future is another debate played out by the authorities and reported in the press and it polarises views. It's good to hear others views even if they are poles away from our own
It's good to hear people say they're in favour of torture? Why?
Well ask those who posted it... I am as interested as you for their reasons? I am sure they have their reasons, revenge, to get information, to save lives maybe..
No... I don't think you get it. There's no such thing as legal torture. Any torture is a criminal activity. Do you actually understand what you're talking about and what you started a thread about?
It's not my thread. The thread is about hate. Font confuse other people's views with my own..
She was referencing your thread on Begum, Tom.
Don’t worry I’m here all week.
Well done Estella. Your explanations are much clearer than some other posters.
In the Begun thread or this one I have never endorsed torture. I have said that I am interested in other people's views. I was asked to speculate on reasons why they may hold those views and people assume I hold them. I don't. I am not the brightest but I hope that clarifies "
You've never condemned it either. And your posts certainly suggest more than the neutral stance you claim.
You also claimed racism was human nature which is a view I'd like to hear more about? |
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"Which particular views? The ones that say they'd boil someone in oil or that death wouldn't be a harsh enough punishment? Because that's what I objected to. Are we supposed to be be tolerant of torture? Isn't that what ISIS do?
Well you certainly can take a literal interpretation of anything posted. I don't choose to. If somebody puts a case for capital punishment then it's a debate. If the debate is distressing then I suggest you don't join the debate. The case of Begum's future is another debate played out by the authorities and reported in the press and it polarises views. It's good to hear others views even if they are poles away from our own
It's good to hear people say they're in favour of torture? Why?
Well ask those who posted it... I am as interested as you for their reasons? I am sure they have their reasons, revenge, to get information, to save lives maybe..
No... I don't think you get it. There's no such thing as legal torture. Any torture is a criminal activity. Do you actually understand what you're talking about and what you started a thread about?
It's not my thread. The thread is about hate. Font confuse other people's views with my own..
She was referencing your thread on Begum, Tom.
Don’t worry I’m here all week.
Well done Estella. Your explanations are much clearer than some other posters.
In the Begun thread or this one I have never endorsed torture. I have said that I am interested in other people's views. I was asked to speculate on reasons why they may hold those views and people assume I hold them. I don't. I am not the brightest but I hope that clarifies
You've never condemned it either. And your posts certainly suggest more than the neutral stance you claim.
You also claimed racism was human nature which is a view I'd like to hear more about?"
Well I am not on trial in the Bike Monkey Court of Opinion. It seems that if a person does not condemn a view then they must be guilty of some perceived offence.. It's like Witchfinder General thinking.. |
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"Which particular views? The ones that say they'd boil someone in oil or that death wouldn't be a harsh enough punishment? Because that's what I objected to. Are we supposed to be be tolerant of torture? Isn't that what ISIS do?
Well you certainly can take a literal interpretation of anything posted. I don't choose to. If somebody puts a case for capital punishment then it's a debate. If the debate is distressing then I suggest you don't join the debate. The case of Begum's future is another debate played out by the authorities and reported in the press and it polarises views. It's good to hear others views even if they are poles away from our own
It's good to hear people say they're in favour of torture? Why?
Well ask those who posted it... I am as interested as you for their reasons? I am sure they have their reasons, revenge, to get information, to save lives maybe..
No... I don't think you get it. There's no such thing as legal torture. Any torture is a criminal activity. Do you actually understand what you're talking about and what you started a thread about?
It's not my thread. The thread is about hate. Font confuse other people's views with my own..
She was referencing your thread on Begum, Tom.
Don’t worry I’m here all week.
Well done Estella. Your explanations are much clearer than some other posters.
In the Begun thread or this one I have never endorsed torture. I have said that I am interested in other people's views. I was asked to speculate on reasons why they may hold those views and people assume I hold them. I don't. I am not the brightest but I hope that clarifies "
Thanks Tom.
Actually, you’ve missed the question again though, sorry to point it out. No one has said you have endorsed torture. You weren’t asked to speculate why some people had views endorsing torture. You were asked to explain why you might be interested in hearing that other people endorse torture, because as you have said you find other people’s views interesting.
It isn’t perhaps a question that will elicit much more from you than saying, because it’s interesting. But the poster was simply highlighting to you that perhaps not all views are good fun or interesting to hear. But, that’s subjective. |
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Well I am not on trial in the Bike Monkey Court of Opinion. It seems that if a person does not condemn a view then they must be guilty of some perceived offence.. It's like Witchfinder General thinking.."
Tom, with the greatest respect if you don't want to be asked about what you say then it's probably best not to say anything. BM has asked a very reasonable question, if you can't answer it just say so but it's not fair to blame him for asking. If I'd said racism was human nature I'd expect to be challenged in it. Weren't you? |
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"Which particular views? The ones that say they'd boil someone in oil or that death wouldn't be a harsh enough punishment? Because that's what I objected to. Are we supposed to be be tolerant of torture? Isn't that what ISIS do?
Well you certainly can take a literal interpretation of anything posted. I don't choose to. If somebody puts a case for capital punishment then it's a debate. If the debate is distressing then I suggest you don't join the debate. The case of Begum's future is another debate played out by the authorities and reported in the press and it polarises views. It's good to hear others views even if they are poles away from our own
It's good to hear people say they're in favour of torture? Why?
Well ask those who posted it... I am as interested as you for their reasons? I am sure they have their reasons, revenge, to get information, to save lives maybe..
No... I don't think you get it. There's no such thing as legal torture. Any torture is a criminal activity. Do you actually understand what you're talking about and what you started a thread about?
It's not my thread. The thread is about hate. Font confuse other people's views with my own..
She was referencing your thread on Begum, Tom.
Don’t worry I’m here all week.
Well done Estella. Your explanations are much clearer than some other posters.
In the Begun thread or this one I have never endorsed torture. I have said that I am interested in other people's views. I was asked to speculate on reasons why they may hold those views and people assume I hold them. I don't. I am not the brightest but I hope that clarifies
Thanks Tom.
Actually, you’ve missed the question again though, sorry to point it out. No one has said you have endorsed torture. You weren’t asked to speculate why some people had views endorsing torture. You were asked to explain why you might be interested in hearing that other people endorse torture, because as you have said you find other people’s views interesting.
It isn’t perhaps a question that will elicit much more from you than saying, because it’s interesting. But the poster was simply highlighting to you that perhaps not all views are good fun or interesting to hear. But, that’s subjective. "
I find all views interesting whether it's with a view I share or disagree with. Don't you wonder why people think as they do, why they hold ideas, how they may change views or why they are committed to them. It's really quite simple. Nothing to see here
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"Which particular views? The ones that say they'd boil someone in oil or that death wouldn't be a harsh enough punishment? Because that's what I objected to. Are we supposed to be be tolerant of torture? Isn't that what ISIS do?
Well you certainly can take a literal interpretation of anything posted. I don't choose to. If somebody puts a case for capital punishment then it's a debate. If the debate is distressing then I suggest you don't join the debate. The case of Begum's future is another debate played out by the authorities and reported in the press and it polarises views. It's good to hear others views even if they are poles away from our own
It's good to hear people say they're in favour of torture? Why?
Well ask those who posted it... I am as interested as you for their reasons? I am sure they have their reasons, revenge, to get information, to save lives maybe..
No... I don't think you get it. There's no such thing as legal torture. Any torture is a criminal activity. Do you actually understand what you're talking about and what you started a thread about?
It's not my thread. The thread is about hate. Font confuse other people's views with my own..
She was referencing your thread on Begum, Tom.
Don’t worry I’m here all week.
Well done Estella. Your explanations are much clearer than some other posters.
In the Begun thread or this one I have never endorsed torture. I have said that I am interested in other people's views. I was asked to speculate on reasons why they may hold those views and people assume I hold them. I don't. I am not the brightest but I hope that clarifies
Thanks Tom.
Actually, you’ve missed the question again though, sorry to point it out. No one has said you have endorsed torture. You weren’t asked to speculate why some people had views endorsing torture. You were asked to explain why you might be interested in hearing that other people endorse torture, because as you have said you find other people’s views interesting.
It isn’t perhaps a question that will elicit much more from you than saying, because it’s interesting. But the poster was simply highlighting to you that perhaps not all views are good fun or interesting to hear. But, that’s subjective.
I find all views interesting whether it's with a view I share or disagree with. Don't you wonder why people think as they do, why they hold ideas, how they may change views or why they are committed to them. It's really quite simple. Nothing to see here
Does that suffice?"
That does answer the original question posed by Lola, yes. Well done |
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Well I am not on trial in the Bike Monkey Court of Opinion. It seems that if a person does not condemn a view then they must be guilty of some perceived offence.. It's like Witchfinder General thinking..
Tom, with the greatest respect if you don't want to be asked about what you say then it's probably best not to say anything. BM has asked a very reasonable question, if you can't answer it just say so but it's not fair to blame him for asking. If I'd said racism was human nature I'd expect to be challenged in it. Weren't you? "
Ok.. I respect you and BM. Whether I expressed it well may be the issue. I mean that there has been racism for thousands of years. I mean that tribes, countries, religions have been fighting often because an irrational hatrid of others race or religion. That's what I meant by its human nature. Is everyone racist? Definitely not. Bike Monkey? Definitely not. Me ? Definite not. But I still like hearing people's views on it.. |
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"Which particular views? The ones that say they'd boil someone in oil or that death wouldn't be a harsh enough punishment? Because that's what I objected to. Are we supposed to be be tolerant of torture? Isn't that what ISIS do?
Well you certainly can take a literal interpretation of anything posted. I don't choose to. If somebody puts a case for capital punishment then it's a debate. If the debate is distressing then I suggest you don't join the debate. The case of Begum's future is another debate played out by the authorities and reported in the press and it polarises views. It's good to hear others views even if they are poles away from our own
It's good to hear people say they're in favour of torture? Why?
Well ask those who posted it... I am as interested as you for their reasons? I am sure they have their reasons, revenge, to get information, to save lives maybe..
No... I don't think you get it. There's no such thing as legal torture. Any torture is a criminal activity. Do you actually understand what you're talking about and what you started a thread about?
It's not my thread. The thread is about hate. Font confuse other people's views with my own..
She was referencing your thread on Begum, Tom.
Don’t worry I’m here all week.
Well done Estella. Your explanations are much clearer than some other posters.
In the Begun thread or this one I have never endorsed torture. I have said that I am interested in other people's views. I was asked to speculate on reasons why they may hold those views and people assume I hold them. I don't. I am not the brightest but I hope that clarifies "
Yeah Tom. I've been under the impression that you just want a discussion and to see other perspectives so dont worry. I still dont know what you think either. |
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"Which particular views? The ones that say they'd boil someone in oil or that death wouldn't be a harsh enough punishment? Because that's what I objected to. Are we supposed to be be tolerant of torture? Isn't that what ISIS do?
Well you certainly can take a literal interpretation of anything posted. I don't choose to. If somebody puts a case for capital punishment then it's a debate. If the debate is distressing then I suggest you don't join the debate. The case of Begum's future is another debate played out by the authorities and reported in the press and it polarises views. It's good to hear others views even if they are poles away from our own
It's good to hear people say they're in favour of torture? Why?
Well ask those who posted it... I am as interested as you for their reasons? I am sure they have their reasons, revenge, to get information, to save lives maybe..
No... I don't think you get it. There's no such thing as legal torture. Any torture is a criminal activity. Do you actually understand what you're talking about and what you started a thread about?
It's not my thread. The thread is about hate. Font confuse other people's views with my own..
She was referencing your thread on Begum, Tom.
Don’t worry I’m here all week.
Well done Estella. Your explanations are much clearer than some other posters.
In the Begun thread or this one I have never endorsed torture. I have said that I am interested in other people's views. I was asked to speculate on reasons why they may hold those views and people assume I hold them. I don't. I am not the brightest but I hope that clarifies
Yeah Tom. I've been under the impression that you just want a discussion and to see other perspectives so dont worry. I still dont know what you think either. "
Well no-one has asked to be fair.. ask away ? |
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There have been lots of thread in poor taste lately and a lot of unnecessary vitriol, whatever happened to debating and agreeing on differing opinions?
Personally I was disgusted at the 'which celebrity will die next' thread but instead of causing a shitstorm I chose to move on.
Picking your battles is something that comes to mind |
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Well no-one has asked to be fair.. ask away ? "
What do you think should happen to Begum?
Do you think there is a moral case for torture ever?
Were you pretending to be homeless on the thread the other night? |
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I dont really need to as I dont really care honestly. I dont think it will do much to aid the conversation knowing your opinion. It will probably only start a witch hunt tbh. I just appreciate a willingness to listen. |
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"There have been lots of thread in poor taste lately and a lot of unnecessary vitriol, whatever happened to debating and agreeing on differing opinions?
Personally I was disgusted at the 'which celebrity will die next' thread but instead of causing a shitstorm I chose to move on.
Picking your battles is something that comes to mind "
I think people are picking their battles. Those that want to post do, those that don’t don’t. |
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Well I am not on trial in the Bike Monkey Court of Opinion. It seems that if a person does not condemn a view then they must be guilty of some perceived offence.. It's like Witchfinder General thinking..
Tom, with the greatest respect if you don't want to be asked about what you say then it's probably best not to say anything. BM has asked a very reasonable question, if you can't answer it just say so but it's not fair to blame him for asking. If I'd said racism was human nature I'd expect to be challenged in it. Weren't you?
Ok.. I respect you and BM. Whether I expressed it well may be the issue. I mean that there has been racism for thousands of years. I mean that tribes, countries, religions have been fighting often because an irrational hatrid of others race or religion. That's what I meant by its human nature. Is everyone racist? Definitely not. Bike Monkey? Definitely not. Me ? Definite not. But I still like hearing people's views on it.."
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Letting other people’s opinions ruin our own moods and thoughts can only happen if we allow it to.
Getting upset about what strangers write in a forum post is a colossal waste of one’s own emotional energy.
I read parts of the thread and posted as well. As someone taking part in a current debate. Sure the ‘hang them all’ brigade were in there. It’s an emotive and difficult topic, it was never going to be fun and lighthearted.
Having another thread so that people can slag off the people in the original thread seems rather counter productive, and hypocritical to me.
And not every comment in that thread was made by ill informed idiots. |
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"Forum rules state that racism won't be tolerated.
I do know of someone who reported the thread at least twice.
The thread, the posts and the poster in question still remain. "
Yet I've known people banned for innocuous comments someone has taken offence at. |
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"There have been lots of thread in poor taste lately and a lot of unnecessary vitriol, whatever happened to debating and agreeing on differing opinions?
Personally I was disgusted at the 'which celebrity will die next' thread but instead of causing a shitstorm I chose to move on.
Picking your battles is something that comes to mind "
I thought that was worse than the take it, give it one although this one is hate..
As I said, the only thing I hate is walnuts and come to think of it.. Skate and Ray fish..all I am allergic to |
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"There have been lots of thread in poor taste lately and a lot of unnecessary vitriol, whatever happened to debating and agreeing on differing opinions?
Personally I was disgusted at the 'which celebrity will die next' thread but instead of causing a shitstorm I chose to move on.
Picking your battles is something that comes to mind "
I thought that was a bit much too and did the same thing. I'm not interested in who's got the biggest tits or cock or balls or whose pics have been fabbed the most or numerous other things that people discuss here. So I add nothing as I have nothing to add. But I don't post telling people they shouldn't be talking about it. Not that you've done so at all but I see it happen a lot and wonder why. I find it so easy to ignore the stuff I'm not interested in. |
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"Letting other people’s opinions ruin our own moods and thoughts can only happen if we allow it to.
Getting upset about what strangers write in a forum post is a colossal waste of one’s own emotional energy.
I read parts of the thread and posted as well. As someone taking part in a current debate. Sure the ‘hang them all’ brigade were in there. It’s an emotive and difficult topic, it was never going to be fun and lighthearted.
Having another thread so that people can slag off the people in the original thread seems rather counter productive, and hypocritical to me.
And not every comment in that thread was made by ill informed idiots."
No one said every comment was made by ill informed idiots. Your post has very good points, but also perpetuates the namecalling yet another spin. |
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"No one said every comment was made by ill informed idiots. Your post has very good points, but also perpetuates the namecalling yet another spin. "
The general sense of this thread is the horror at what was posted in the other thread.
As a point of balance I said that all the posts were not bad. My comment has no name calling connotations at all. |
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Well no-one has asked to be fair.. ask away ?
What do you think should happen to Begum?
Do you think there is a moral case for torture ever?
Were you pretending to be homeless on the thread the other night?"
Begum should return to UK or at least Holland if her marriage is recognised. I think it's posturing by a Home Secretary trying to look strong. If she is guilty of crimes then she should face justice. She was only 15 when she left. Not old enough to drink, gamble, fornicate or marry.
Torture is rightfully not tolerated under UK law.
A moral case is different proposition. If it were to save lives from an act like taking a plane down then there may be a moral case but in reality I could not think that would ever happen. I am against torture per se.
I am not homeless. If I was homeless then I would have no qualms sleeping in a wheelie bin if it gave me shelter. As a G7 or G9 country we still have homeless people. It's a disgrace. |
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"No one said every comment was made by ill informed idiots. Your post has very good points, but also perpetuates the namecalling yet another spin.
The general sense of this thread is the horror at what was posted in the other thread.
As a point of balance I said that all the posts were not bad. My comment has no name calling connotations at all. "
Mmmm. We can agree to disagree. |
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Well no-one has asked to be fair.. ask away ?
What do you think should happen to Begum?
Do you think there is a moral case for torture ever?
Were you pretending to be homeless on the thread the other night?
Begum should return to UK or at least Holland if her marriage is recognised. I think it's posturing by a Home Secretary trying to look strong. If she is guilty of crimes then she should face justice. She was only 15 when she left. Not old enough to drink, gamble, fornicate or marry.
Torture is rightfully not tolerated under UK law.
A moral case is different proposition. If it were to save lives from an act like taking a plane down then there may be a moral case but in reality I could not think that would ever happen. I am against torture per se.
I am not homeless. If I was homeless then I would have no qualms sleeping in a wheelie bin if it gave me shelter. As a G7 or G9 country we still have homeless people. It's a disgrace. "
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And one final point..
I am certainly not the most eloquent. I do like the hot topics of the day. There are one or two passionate posters who seem to get enraged, not by what I post, but what they think I have posted.
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"And one final point..
I am certainly not the most eloquent. I do like the hot topics of the day. There are one or two passionate posters who seem to get enraged, not by what I post, but what they think I have posted.
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"Forum rules state that racism won't be tolerated.
I do know of someone who reported the thread at least twice.
The thread, the posts and the poster in question still remain.
Yet I've known people banned for innocuous comments someone has taken offence at."
All of this soo true, I've been banned from fourms before for somthing very petty, it's like the politics behind the scenes at fab are very obscure. (Probably get banned for saying that) haha |
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"There have been lots of thread in poor taste lately and a lot of unnecessary vitriol, whatever happened to debating and agreeing on differing opinions?
Personally I was disgusted at the 'which celebrity will die next' thread but instead of causing a shitstorm I chose to move on.
Picking your battles is something that comes to mind "
Unfortunately when it comes to racism, homophobia, transphobia etc, some people don't get to choose their battles. The battles are brought to them, such as my friend who was racially abused by a bus driver. In my mind, the person who is racist in a forum is more likely to be racist in person, and contributing to the normalisation of such comments.
We do have to pick our battles for our own sanity, but we also have to defend our fellow human beings from attacks.
It's not so easy or right just to ignore it all the time sadly. |
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"There have been lots of thread in poor taste lately and a lot of unnecessary vitriol, whatever happened to debating and agreeing on differing opinions?
Personally I was disgusted at the 'which celebrity will die next' thread but instead of causing a shitstorm I chose to move on.
Picking your battles is something that comes to mind
Unfortunately when it comes to racism, homophobia, transphobia etc, some people don't get to choose their battles. The battles are brought to them, such as my friend who was racially abused by a bus driver. In my mind, the person who is racist in a forum is more likely to be racist in person, and contributing to the normalisation of such comments.
We do have to pick our battles for our own sanity, but we also have to defend our fellow human beings from attacks.
It's not so easy or right just to ignore it all the time sadly."
I’ve been banned from the forums on numerous occasions for calling out racism, homophobia and misogyny etc. Sometimes it’s impossible to just bite your lip. |
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