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By *arlo82 OP Couple
over a year ago
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/multimillionaire-invents-bin-pods-rough-21397084
So I was perusing the news online and stumbled across this.
I'm really not sure what I make of it.
People are vulnerable no matter where they sleep outside... cant help but feel a subliminal message. Or maybe I am overthinking |
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By *arlo82 OP Couple
over a year ago
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"I am sad about all the homeless people, especially when there are so many empty buildings that could be used.."
My thoughts too... it seems over the past several decades the situation isn't improving. Cardboard boxes, sleeping bags..... now a bin! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Dont overthink it. I did voluntarily work at the side of my day to day job working with the homeless... ive been stabbed with hypodermic needles, cut with blades, attempted to be robbed. I used to feel for them and yes there are the occasional fewthat you can help into work ect but o so many didnt want help, didnt want to make the effort to change didnt want work ect i just couldnt do it anymore. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/multimillionaire-invents-bin-pods-rough-21397084
So I was perusing the news online and stumbled across this.
I'm really not sure what I make of it.
People are vulnerable no matter where they sleep outside... cant help but feel a subliminal message. Or maybe I am overthinking "
Quite possibly. The homeless are treated little better than trash. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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not sure why anyone is homeless, i know alot of people who dont or cant work, they all have somewhere to stay, the problem must be more of a mental health issue rather than a money one, i think that needs looking at more |
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By *arlo82 OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Dont overthink it. I did voluntarily work at the side of my day to day job working with the homeless... ive been stabbed with hypodermic needles, cut with blades, attempted to be robbed. I used to feel for them and yes there are the occasional fewthat you can help into work ect but o so many didnt want help, didnt want to make the effort to change didnt want work ect i just couldnt do it anymore. "
So because some are broken .... either mentally or through abuse of some sort they should be regarded as rubbish??
Reminds me of the Dalits in India.. literally known as untouchable.
Or maybe Huxley's work is coming to life? |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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"I am sad about all the homeless people, especially when there are so many empty buildings that could be used..
My thoughts too... it seems over the past several decades the situation isn't improving. Cardboard boxes, sleeping bags..... now a bin! "
Wheelie bins don't degrade in the rain like cardboard boxes though.
It'll be in the next Tory manifesto. Much cheaper than proper housing.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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God help us it must be a slow news day! Just because one deluded guy has a poor idea and the press report on it then suddenly all the homeless are rubbish. What next will the pc brigade home in on? No doubt every woman who goes commando is fair game to be abused or some other stupid assumption. Get real one mans stupid idea and the rag top press don't make something the opinion of the general public.  |
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What happens when this person is so far gone on drugs and alcohol to numb the cold etc from living rough that when the bin comes to be emptied they are still in it and get put into the bin lorry?
So many empty buildings about which can be used. Should not have this in this day and age. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The reasons behind homelessness are usually very complex.
There is often no quick fix.
In some cases it is a simple as "just needing" a place to live but in a lot of cases a lot more support is needed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Dont overthink it. I did voluntarily work at the side of my day to day job working with the homeless... ive been stabbed with hypodermic needles, cut with blades, attempted to be robbed. I used to feel for them and yes there are the occasional fewthat you can help into work ect but o so many didnt want help, didnt want to make the effort to change didnt want work ect i just couldnt do it anymore.
So because some are broken .... either mentally or through abuse of some sort they should be regarded as rubbish??
Reminds me of the Dalits in India.. literally known as untouchable.
Or maybe Huxley's work is coming to life? "
I never said that.. The investment particularly in the midlands into the homeless has been phenomenal under this government, we have 3 government funded teams in derby alone and have had 4 premises converted to homeless centers which equates to more rooms than the amount of homeless on the streets. They arnt being fully used as many dont want the help they would rather beg to get their next hit.. which swiftly brings me onto my next point addiction. We have a team of professional support workers many do not want it and abuse it. As said for many many years i have volunteered 4 evenings per week to help with this, im trained in substance misuse support theres only so much you can do. The system doesnt need money the system would only work if there were tough immediate consequences for drug dealers. A change in the law and a overhaul of the cps would be the only thing that eventually would rectify the homless situation.
How about volunteering and seeing first hand.. but be prepared its a dark world  |
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By *arlo82 OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Dont overthink it. I did voluntarily work at the side of my day to day job working with the homeless... ive been stabbed with hypodermic needles, cut with blades, attempted to be robbed. I used to feel for them and yes there are the occasional fewthat you can help into work ect but o so many didnt want help, didnt want to make the effort to change didnt want work ect i just couldnt do it anymore.
So because some are broken .... either mentally or through abuse of some sort they should be regarded as rubbish??
Reminds me of the Dalits in India.. literally known as untouchable.
Or maybe Huxley's work is coming to life?
I never said that.. The investment particularly in the midlands into the homeless has been phenomenal under this government, we have 3 government funded teams in derby alone and have had 4 premises converted to homeless centers which equates to more rooms than the amount of homeless on the streets. They arnt being fully used as many dont want the help they would rather beg to get their next hit.. which swiftly brings me onto my next point addiction. We have a team of professional support workers many do not want it and abuse it. As said for many many years i have volunteered 4 evenings per week to help with this, im trained in substance misuse support theres only so much you can do. The system doesnt need money the system would only work if there were tough immediate consequences for drug dealers. A change in the law and a overhaul of the cps would be the only thing that eventually would rectify the homless situation.
How about volunteering and seeing first hand.. but be prepared its a dark world "
I have volunteered. It is a brutally harsh world and many would sell their own grannies. There are never enough facilities in terms of help though sadly.
I mean its not as if that £350 million for the NHS is going to materialise any time soon |
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"Dont overthink it. I did voluntarily work at the side of my day to day job working with the homeless... ive been stabbed with hypodermic needles, cut with blades, attempted to be robbed. I used to feel for them and yes there are the occasional fewthat you can help into work ect but o so many didnt want help, didnt want to make the effort to change didnt want work ect i just couldnt do it anymore.
So because some are broken .... either mentally or through abuse of some sort they should be regarded as rubbish??
Reminds me of the Dalits in India.. literally known as untouchable.
Or maybe Huxley's work is coming to life?
I never said that.. The investment particularly in the midlands into the homeless has been phenomenal under this government, we have 3 government funded teams in derby alone and have had 4 premises converted to homeless centers which equates to more rooms than the amount of homeless on the streets. They arnt being fully used as many dont want the help they would rather beg to get their next hit.. which swiftly brings me onto my next point addiction. We have a team of professional support workers many do not want it and abuse it. As said for many many years i have volunteered 4 evenings per week to help with this, im trained in substance misuse support theres only so much you can do. The system doesnt need money the system would only work if there were tough immediate consequences for drug dealers. A change in the law and a overhaul of the cps would be the only thing that eventually would rectify the homless situation.
How about volunteering and seeing first hand.. but be prepared its a dark world
I have volunteered. It is a brutally harsh world and many would sell their own grannies. There are never enough facilities in terms of help though sadly.
I mean its not as if that £350 million for the NHS is going to materialise any time soon "
I thought this was about homeless not the ridiculous 350m nhs pledge seeing as weve gone totally off the point im done here
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"The reasons behind homelessness are usually very complex.
There is often no quick fix.
In some cases it is a simple as "just needing" a place to live but in a lot of cases a lot more support is needed. "
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By *arlo82 OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Dont overthink it. I did voluntarily work at the side of my day to day job working with the homeless... ive been stabbed with hypodermic needles, cut with blades, attempted to be robbed. I used to feel for them and yes there are the occasional fewthat you can help into work ect but o so many didnt want help, didnt want to make the effort to change didnt want work ect i just couldnt do it anymore.
So because some are broken .... either mentally or through abuse of some sort they should be regarded as rubbish??
Reminds me of the Dalits in India.. literally known as untouchable.
Or maybe Huxley's work is coming to life?
I never said that.. The investment particularly in the midlands into the homeless has been phenomenal under this government, we have 3 government funded teams in derby alone and have had 4 premises converted to homeless centers which equates to more rooms than the amount of homeless on the streets. They arnt being fully used as many dont want the help they would rather beg to get their next hit.. which swiftly brings me onto my next point addiction. We have a team of professional support workers many do not want it and abuse it. As said for many many years i have volunteered 4 evenings per week to help with this, im trained in substance misuse support theres only so much you can do. The system doesnt need money the system would only work if there were tough immediate consequences for drug dealers. A change in the law and a overhaul of the cps would be the only thing that eventually would rectify the homless situation.
How about volunteering and seeing first hand.. but be prepared its a dark world
I have volunteered. It is a brutally harsh world and many would sell their own grannies. There are never enough facilities in terms of help though sadly.
I mean its not as if that £350 million for the NHS is going to materialise any time soon
I thought this was about homeless not the ridiculous 350m nhs pledge seeing as weve gone totally off the point im done here
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You brought services into it.... was just an extension of the conversation |
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"not sure why anyone is homeless, i know alot of people who dont or cant work, they all have somewhere to stay, the problem must be more of a mental health issue rather than a money one, i think that needs looking at more"
Probably true. Luckily i am housed by an assocation/charity that specialises in mental health. My benefits get stopped a lot and this includes housing benefit.I get my housing to get someone to come out and help me reapply for it again.
If i did become homeless and someone offered me a bin to sleep in i would not be grateful and would take offence at being put in something for trash. |
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"Will try to find the link/podcast.
Heard it on BBC4, about why you SHOULDN'T give to homeless, and this was by a homeless charity.
It was on a Sunday, so that might (or not) narrow it down.
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I will not support charities for the homeless as I prefer to give directly to the homeless when I feel the urge. If they spend it on drugs or booze then up to them. Good luck to them .. |
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"Will try to find the link/podcast.
Heard it on BBC4, about why you SHOULDN'T give to homeless, and this was by a homeless charity.
It was on a Sunday, so that might (or not) narrow it down.
I will not support charities for the homeless as I prefer to give directly to the homeless when I feel the urge. If they spend it on drugs or booze then up to them. Good luck to them .."
If I was homeless I would probably spend it on drugs and booze too!
But like you I prefer giving directly to them rather than the corporate charities....
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I just thought I'd add my opinion to this for what it's worth.
First off, I work in research and specialise in homeless, have a PhD in the subject, and have many years working in homelessness.
Homelessness is an extremely complex issue which is different for everyone. Generally though there are lots of patterns which we see across people who experience all types of homelessness which in many cases trace back to pre-birth complications and extend throughout childhood and into adulthood.
Any suggestions that people don't want help, or don't want to change misunderstand how people respond or develop responses to lives which are fraught with difficulties, being let down by a welfare state whicg should protect the most vulnerable, but leave many people quite literally out in the cold.
People needs houses, and patient individualised responses from support staff. |
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I work in the legal side in regards to the homeless and if you read a fraction of the situations we deal with on a daily basis you may see how easy it is to become homeless. Moreover, in a large proportion of these cases, without legal assistance many would find themselves in exactly this situation through no to little fault of their own.
Had I not had an amazing support network after a nasty accident, I would not have been able to keep a roof over my head. That could very easily be me right now.
There may be some that battle against the system, but these are human beings. Very often let down by life. |
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There are liberal elite do gooders trying to rescue people who don't want rescuing..
If I was in my wheelie bin and some idiot kept banging on my lid offering a free meal and lodgings then what would my response be.. Begone .. |
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"There are liberal elite do gooders trying to rescue people who don't want rescuing..
If I was in my wheelie bin and some idiot kept banging on my lid offering a free meal and lodgings then what would my response be.. Begone .."
With respect, you have no idea what you're talking about. |
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"There are liberal elite do gooders trying to rescue people who don't want rescuing..
If I was in my wheelie bin and some idiot kept banging on my lid offering a free meal and lodgings then what would my response be.. Begone ..
With respect, you have no idea what you're talking about. "
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"There are people out there who do not want to be rescued tho
I really wish you would sit down and learn about compounded trauma. "
And I wish you would learn that not every wants to be rescued.. on my wheelie bin I would pin a notice.. Leave me Alone |
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
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"There are people out there who do not want to be rescued tho
I really wish you would sit down and learn about compounded trauma.
And I wish you would learn that not every wants to be rescued.. on my wheelie bin I would pin a notice.. Leave me Alone "
I’ve not said “rescue”. I would concur that no one wants to be “rescued” if you mean a further loss of autonomy, choice and control. But then again you’d understand what I mean (and would not make flippant remarks) if you understood compounded trauma. |
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society"
I appreciate the sentiment, but a bed in a cold empty church is not an answer. These people are homeless, they need a house.
Obviously, any support nneds over an above that should also be met but unconditional housing is what's needed first. |
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society"
They are used. But they require volunteer staffing, that takes people.
And they’re an elastoplast not a solution. |
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
I appreciate the sentiment, but a bed in a cold empty church is not an answer. These people are homeless, they need a house.
Obviously, any support nneds over an above that should also be met but unconditional housing is what's needed first. "
That seems to be a bit of the problem the "unconditional" bit ... I used to work in a shelter and many would not stay because of the very simple rules (and I do also understand addiction). All very difficult and impossible to hold a view without understanding each individuals circumstances |
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
They are used. But they require volunteer staffing, that takes people.
And they’re an elastoplast not a solution."
They are in society.. just not a society you choose to accept |
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
Why churches? "
Actually in Southampton the churches are used as night shelters. Also some can be used as c/o addresses. |
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
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"I feel uncomfortable when do gooders label me if I do not want to be rescued .. he is not engaging, he has trauma,
No no no.. just leave me alone .."
You’re doing exactly the same thing though Tom.
It’s amusing that you fail to see that. |
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
They are used. But they require volunteer staffing, that takes people.
And they’re an elastoplast not a solution.
They are in society.. just not a society you choose to accept "
Don’t think that was to me, as those weren’t my words. |
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"I feel uncomfortable when do gooders label me if I do not want to be rescued .. he is not engaging, he has trauma,
No no no.. just leave me alone ..
You’re doing exactly the same thing though Tom.
It’s amusing that you fail to see that."
Well I do like to entertain.. |
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
Why churches?
Actually in Southampton the churches are used as night shelters. Also some can be used as c/o addresses. "
This is not a long term solution but gives people a chance to meet there basic needs and hopefully engage with the services they are refferd to. |
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
Why churches?
Actually in Southampton the churches are used as night shelters. Also some can be used as c/o addresses.
This is not a long term solution but gives people a chance to meet there basic needs and hopefully engage with the services they are refferd to. "
And if they don't want to engage ? |
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
Why churches?
Actually in Southampton the churches are used as night shelters. Also some can be used as c/o addresses.
This is not a long term solution but gives people a chance to meet there basic needs and hopefully engage with the services they are refferd to.
And if they don't want to engage ?"
You seem to be under the impression that charities are out there forcing people off the streets and not working within consent. Seriously? |
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
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"I'd really recommend anyone looking into Housing First and the evidence which supports it as a productive path towards solving homelessness "
Absolutely. Only difficulty is within locations like London, if you look at the Paris research, given the additional issue of the housing market. |
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
Why churches?
Actually in Southampton the churches are used as night shelters. Also some can be used as c/o addresses.
This is not a long term solution but gives people a chance to meet there basic needs and hopefully engage with the services they are refferd to.
And if they don't want to engage ?
You seem to be under the impression that charities are out there forcing people off the streets and not working within consent. Seriously?"
No but leave those alone who don't want you interfering |
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
Why churches?
Actually in Southampton the churches are used as night shelters. Also some can be used as c/o addresses.
This is not a long term solution but gives people a chance to meet there basic needs and hopefully engage with the services they are refferd to.
And if they don't want to engage ?"
Then that's up to them, Noboby is forcing anyone to do anything.
But it's there if needed and wanted. |
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
Why churches?
Actually in Southampton the churches are used as night shelters. Also some can be used as c/o addresses.
This is not a long term solution but gives people a chance to meet there basic needs and hopefully engage with the services they are refferd to.
And if they don't want to engage ?
You seem to be under the impression that charities are out there forcing people off the streets and not working within consent. Seriously?
No but leave those alone who don't want you interfering"
Again, ummm sorry Tom, you’re lecturing about something that isn’t happening. |
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
Why churches?
Actually in Southampton the churches are used as night shelters. Also some can be used as c/o addresses.
This is not a long term solution but gives people a chance to meet there basic needs and hopefully engage with the services they are refferd to.
And if they don't want to engage ?
Then that's up to them, Noboby is forcing anyone to do anything.
But it's there if needed and wanted. "
The voice of reason .. |
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
I appreciate the sentiment, but a bed in a cold empty church is not an answer. These people are homeless, they need a house.
Obviously, any support nneds over an above that should also be met but unconditional housing is what's needed first. "
But surely taking them into a church and then having a support team to offer advice, health check ups etc is better than being left on the streets |
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By *ussD1Man
over a year ago
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"I am sad about all the homeless people, especially when there are so many empty buildings that could be used..
My thoughts too... it seems over the past several decades the situation isn't improving. Cardboard boxes, sleeping bags..... now a bin!
Wheelie bins don't degrade in the rain like cardboard boxes though.
It'll be in the next Tory manifesto. Much cheaper than proper housing.
A"
Tory Britain. Proud to be a Tory voter ?  |
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
Why churches?
Actually in Southampton the churches are used as night shelters. Also some can be used as c/o addresses.
This is not a long term solution but gives people a chance to meet there basic needs and hopefully engage with the services they are refferd to.
And if they don't want to engage ?
Then that's up to them, Noboby is forcing anyone to do anything.
But it's there if needed and wanted.
The voice of reason .. "
 . But when I say the same... |
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
Why churches?
Actually in Southampton the churches are used as night shelters. Also some can be used as c/o addresses. "
Sadly not in london |
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
I appreciate the sentiment, but a bed in a cold empty church is not an answer. These people are homeless, they need a house.
Obviously, any support nneds over an above that should also be met but unconditional housing is what's needed first.
But surely taking them into a church and then having a support team to offer advice, health check ups etc is better than being left on the streets"
A cold church with mentalists all around.. it's safer on the streets |
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
I appreciate the sentiment, but a bed in a cold empty church is not an answer. These people are homeless, they need a house.
Obviously, any support nneds over an above that should also be met but unconditional housing is what's needed first.
But surely taking them into a church and then having a support team to offer advice, health check ups etc is better than being left on the streets"
Manpower!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Dont overthink it. I did voluntarily work at the side of my day to day job working with the homeless... ive been stabbed with hypodermic needles, cut with blades, attempted to be robbed. I used to feel for them and yes there are the occasional fewthat you can help into work ect but o so many didnt want help, didnt want to make the effort to change didnt want work ect i just couldnt do it anymore. "
That fact that you did voluntarily work with a vulnerable group and this is your mentality is a bit worrying |
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
I appreciate the sentiment, but a bed in a cold empty church is not an answer. These people are homeless, they need a house.
Obviously, any support nneds over an above that should also be met but unconditional housing is what's needed first.
But surely taking them into a church and then having a support team to offer advice, health check ups etc is better than being left on the streets
A cold church with mentalists all around.. it's safer on the streets "
Mentalists?
Really? |
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
I appreciate the sentiment, but a bed in a cold empty church is not an answer. These people are homeless, they need a house.
Obviously, any support nneds over an above that should also be met but unconditional housing is what's needed first.
But surely taking them into a church and then having a support team to offer advice, health check ups etc is better than being left on the streets
A cold church with mentalists all around.. it's safer on the streets
Mentalists?
Really?"
Yes mentalists.. not the homeless but the do gooders..
Leave me alone in my bin please |
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By *ussD1Man
over a year ago
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
I appreciate the sentiment, but a bed in a cold empty church is not an answer. These people are homeless, they need a house.
Obviously, any support nneds over an above that should also be met but unconditional housing is what's needed first.
But surely taking them into a church and then having a support team to offer advice, health check ups etc is better than being left on the streets
Manpower!!"
Cost. Saving the homeless would cost at least 2 or 3 air to surface missiles or a single £100M euro fighter. That’s progress. |
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
I appreciate the sentiment, but a bed in a cold empty church is not an answer. These people are homeless, they need a house.
Obviously, any support nneds over an above that should also be met but unconditional housing is what's needed first.
But surely taking them into a church and then having a support team to offer advice, health check ups etc is better than being left on the streets
A cold church with mentalists all around.. it's safer on the streets "
That's not necessery!
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
I appreciate the sentiment, but a bed in a cold empty church is not an answer. These people are homeless, they need a house.
Obviously, any support nneds over an above that should also be met but unconditional housing is what's needed first.
But surely taking them into a church and then having a support team to offer advice, health check ups etc is better than being left on the streets
A cold church with mentalists all around.. it's safer on the streets
Mentalists?
Really?
Yes mentalists.. not the homeless but the do gooders..
Leave me alone in my bin please "
The fact you’re making this a joke is rather distasteful. |
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
I appreciate the sentiment, but a bed in a cold empty church is not an answer. These people are homeless, they need a house.
Obviously, any support nneds over an above that should also be met but unconditional housing is what's needed first.
But surely taking them into a church and then having a support team to offer advice, health check ups etc is better than being left on the streets
Manpower!!"
I have say they manage to staff than here. |
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
I appreciate the sentiment, but a bed in a cold empty church is not an answer. These people are homeless, they need a house.
Obviously, any support nneds over an above that should also be met but unconditional housing is what's needed first.
But surely taking them into a church and then having a support team to offer advice, health check ups etc is better than being left on the streets
Manpower!!
I have say they manage to staff than here. "
I’m explaining why more aren’t available. There aren’t enough winter nightshelter church circuits in London, due to not enough manpower. They’re mostly volunteer led. |
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
I appreciate the sentiment, but a bed in a cold empty church is not an answer. These people are homeless, they need a house.
Obviously, any support nneds over an above that should also be met but unconditional housing is what's needed first.
But surely taking them into a church and then having a support team to offer advice, health check ups etc is better than being left on the streets
A cold church with mentalists all around.. it's safer on the streets
Mentalists?
Really?
Yes mentalists.. not the homeless but the do gooders..
Leave me alone in my bin please "
This is the issue we face. Damned if we do and damned if we don’t. This isn’t the government stepping in to provide people with a roof and basic standard of living, it’s charities and groups of people who do care. We can’t put everyone in the same bracket but this issue is massive and diverse. No two people are the same so dealing with such numbers is an epic task but one so many are passionate about. People don’t need to be grateful. It’s a basic of life. But In order to improve things we have to be given a chance to make changes to a very flawed system. |
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
I appreciate the sentiment, but a bed in a cold empty church is not an answer. These people are homeless, they need a house.
Obviously, any support nneds over an above that should also be met but unconditional housing is what's needed first.
But surely taking them into a church and then having a support team to offer advice, health check ups etc is better than being left on the streets
Manpower!!
I have say they manage to staff than here.
I’m explaining why more aren’t available. There aren’t enough winter nightshelter church circuits in London, due to not enough manpower. They’re mostly volunteer led. "
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
I appreciate the sentiment, but a bed in a cold empty church is not an answer. These people are homeless, they need a house.
Obviously, any support nneds over an above that should also be met but unconditional housing is what's needed first.
But surely taking them into a church and then having a support team to offer advice, health check ups etc is better than being left on the streets
Manpower!!
I have say they manage to staff than here.
I’m explaining why more aren’t available. There aren’t enough winter nightshelter church circuits in London, due to not enough manpower. They’re mostly volunteer led.
Ok I understand. "
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By *ussD1Man
over a year ago
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
I appreciate the sentiment, but a bed in a cold empty church is not an answer. These people are homeless, they need a house.
Obviously, any support nneds over an above that should also be met but unconditional housing is what's needed first.
But surely taking them into a church and then having a support team to offer advice, health check ups etc is better than being left on the streets
A cold church with mentalists all around.. it's safer on the streets
Mentalists?
Really?
Yes mentalists.. not the homeless but the do gooders..
Leave me alone in my bin please
This is the issue we face. Damned if we do and damned if we don’t. This isn’t the government stepping in to provide people with a roof and basic standard of living, it’s charities and groups of people who do care. We can’t put everyone in the same bracket but this issue is massive and diverse. No two people are the same so dealing with such numbers is an epic task but one so many are passionate about. People don’t need to be grateful. It’s a basic of life. But In order to improve things we have to be given a chance to make changes to a very flawed system."
This answer I can get behind. *virtual hug* |
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over a year ago
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"It's safer on the streets than in most hostels..
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There’s not many people working in homelessness who support the hostel system as the most favourable solution actually. Winter nightshelters aren’t hostels though. Also your statement is flawed, it depends on the context. At subzero temperatures I think you’ll find hostels are far safer. |
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"It's safer on the streets than in most hostels..
There’s not many people working in homelessness who support the hostel system as the most favourable solution actually. Winter nightshelters aren’t hostels though. Also your statement is flawed, it depends on the context. At subzero temperatures I think you’ll find hostels are far safer. "
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"It's safer on the streets than in most hostels..
There’s not many people working in homelessness who support the hostel system as the most favourable solution actually. Winter nightshelters aren’t hostels though. Also your statement is flawed, it depends on the context. At subzero temperatures I think you’ll find hostels are far safer.
My sleeping bag protects to -30 degrees.. easy to protect yourself if you know what you are doing "
Methinks you fib, Tom. |
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"It's safer on the streets than in most hostels..
There’s not many people working in homelessness who support the hostel system as the most favourable solution actually. Winter nightshelters aren’t hostels though. Also your statement is flawed, it depends on the context. At subzero temperatures I think you’ll find hostels are far safer.
My sleeping bag protects to -30 degrees.. easy to protect yourself if you know what you are doing "
But that’s not the answer many are working towards. It’s not about tonight it’s about a permanent home. |
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"It's safer on the streets than in most hostels..
There’s not many people working in homelessness who support the hostel system as the most favourable solution actually. Winter nightshelters aren’t hostels though. Also your statement is flawed, it depends on the context. At subzero temperatures I think you’ll find hostels are far safer.
My sleeping bag protects to -30 degrees.. easy to protect yourself if you know what you are doing
Methinks you fib, Tom."
No fibs but my warm wheelie bin calls me.. zzzzx |
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"God help us it must be a slow news day! Just because one deluded guy has a poor idea and the press report on it then suddenly all the homeless are rubbish. What next will the pc brigade home in on? No doubt every woman who goes commando is fair game to be abused or some other stupid assumption. Get real one mans stupid idea and the rag top press don't make something the opinion of the general public. "
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
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"It's safer on the streets than in most hostels..
There’s not many people working in homelessness who support the hostel system as the most favourable solution actually. Winter nightshelters aren’t hostels though. Also your statement is flawed, it depends on the context. At subzero temperatures I think you’ll find hostels are far safer.
My sleeping bag protects to -30 degrees.. easy to protect yourself if you know what you are doing
Methinks you fib, Tom.
No fibs but my warm wheelie bin calls me.. zzzzx"
No fibs at all there, Tom. |
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"It must be mental issues because surly prison would be the better option than sleeping on the street? Maybe I'm wrong
Really?!?!"
I knew someone that told me when they were in prison they were offered early release on a tag. They refused and done the time. Saying at least they had company, TV, games room . Food, shower s, hot water. Meals. She wasn't even being made homeless but didn't want to go into a bedsit and find these things for herself. She was an heroin addict. In prison she got a methadone programme. Back out in the real world she got a manky bedsit with nothing but temptation all around her. So my option comes from her experience. Oh and of course there are prison officers and CTV to help with safety unlike hostels or the streets.
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
I appreciate the sentiment, but a bed in a cold empty church is not an answer. These people are homeless, they need a house.
Obviously, any support nneds over an above that should also be met but unconditional housing is what's needed first.
But surely taking them into a church and then having a support team to offer advice, health check ups etc is better than being left on the streets
Manpower!!"
I’d volunteer one night a week in a church |
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
I appreciate the sentiment, but a bed in a cold empty church is not an answer. These people are homeless, they need a house.
Obviously, any support nneds over an above that should also be met but unconditional housing is what's needed first.
But surely taking them into a church and then having a support team to offer advice, health check ups etc is better than being left on the streets
Manpower!!
I’d volunteer one night a week in a church "
Awesome. If you look on Homeless Link’s website you can locate the winter nightshelter list and each is its own entity with details for how to volunteer with them. |
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"It must be mental issues because surly prison would be the better option than sleeping on the street? Maybe I'm wrong
Really?!?!
I knew someone that told me when they were in prison they were offered early release on a tag. They refused and done the time. Saying at least they had company, TV, games room . Food, shower s, hot water. Meals. She wasn't even being made homeless but didn't want to go into a bedsit and find these things for herself. She was an heroin addict. In prison she got a methadone programme. Back out in the real world she got a manky bedsit with nothing but temptation all around her. So my option comes from her experience. Oh and of course there are prison officers and CTV to help with safety unlike hostels or the streets.
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That’s not the issue though. There are thousands of people living on our streets that don’t commit crimes. Yet we house criminals and don’t have an option for those that don’t commit crimes. |
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
I appreciate the sentiment, but a bed in a cold empty church is not an answer. These people are homeless, they need a house.
Obviously, any support nneds over an above that should also be met but unconditional housing is what's needed first.
But surely taking them into a church and then having a support team to offer advice, health check ups etc is better than being left on the streets
Manpower!!
I’d volunteer one night a week in a church "
I was in a church at Christmas time , I was shocked to find it was warm and cosy for such a big building in the middle of winter. So yes, if the churches preach good will to all men they should be opening there doors and helping the homeless |
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"There are people out there who do not want to be rescued tho
I really wish you would sit down and learn about compounded trauma. "
I’m trying though it’s a struggle.... have you a particular piece of information I could read? |
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"It's safer on the streets than in most hostels..
There’s not many people working in homelessness who support the hostel system as the most favourable solution actually. Winter nightshelters aren’t hostels though. Also your statement is flawed, it depends on the context. At subzero temperatures I think you’ll find hostels are far safer.
My sleeping bag protects to -30 degrees.. easy to protect yourself if you know what you are doing "
5 season sleeping bags are pretty rare though arent they?
And while you say it's easy to protect yourself I'm not how easy it would be for a homeless person to acquire and then keep a piece of kit like that |
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"There are people out there who do not want to be rescued tho
I really wish you would sit down and learn about compounded trauma.
I’m trying though it’s a struggle.... have you a particular piece of information I could read? "
A really accessible book is Social Exclusion, Compound Trauma and Recovery - edited by Peter Cockersell and also Cross-Cultural Dialogues on Homelessness: From Pretreatment Strategies to Psychologically Informed Environments - edited by Jay Levy with Robin Johnson. |
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
I appreciate the sentiment, but a bed in a cold empty church is not an answer. These people are homeless, they need a house.
Obviously, any support nneds over an above that should also be met but unconditional housing is what's needed first.
But surely taking them into a church and then having a support team to offer advice, health check ups etc is better than being left on the streets
Manpower!!
I’d volunteer one night a week in a church
I was in a church at Christmas time , I was shocked to find it was warm and cosy for such a big building in the middle of winter. So yes, if the churches preach good will to all men they should be opening there doors and helping the homeless"
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"It must be mental issues because surly prison would be the better option than sleeping on the street? Maybe I'm wrong
Really?!?!
I knew someone that told me when they were in prison they were offered early release on a tag. They refused and done the time. Saying at least they had company, TV, games room . Food, shower s, hot water. Meals. She wasn't even being made homeless but didn't want to go into a bedsit and find these things for herself. She was an heroin addict. In prison she got a methadone programme. Back out in the real world she got a manky bedsit with nothing but temptation all around her. So my option comes from her experience. Oh and of course there are prison officers and CTV to help with safety unlike hostels or the streets.
That’s not the issue though. There are thousands of people living on our streets that don’t commit crimes. Yet we house criminals and don’t have an option for those that don’t commit crimes. "
I get that but if it was me faced with homelessness I'd do whatever it takes to survive the winter. I'd choose the loony bin over a wheelie bin any day of the week.
I agree the government should have places for people to go , enough places but they don't. And right at this moment in time while people live on the street and are not costing the government anything, they are not a priority to help. I'm sure if they kicked off and flooded the prisons , they would be a priority then.
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"It must be mental issues because surly prison would be the better option than sleeping on the street? Maybe I'm wrong
Really?!?!
I knew someone that told me when they were in prison they were offered early release on a tag. They refused and done the time. Saying at least they had company, TV, games room . Food, shower s, hot water. Meals. She wasn't even being made homeless but didn't want to go into a bedsit and find these things for herself. She was an heroin addict. In prison she got a methadone programme. Back out in the real world she got a manky bedsit with nothing but temptation all around her. So my option comes from her experience. Oh and of course there are prison officers and CTV to help with safety unlike hostels or the streets.
That’s not the issue though. There are thousands of people living on our streets that don’t commit crimes. Yet we house criminals and don’t have an option for those that don’t commit crimes.
I get that but if it was me faced with homelessness I'd do whatever it takes to survive the winter. I'd choose the loony bin over a wheelie bin any day of the week.
I agree the government should have places for people to go , enough places but they don't. And right at this moment in time while people live on the street and are not costing the government anything, they are not a priority to help. I'm sure if they kicked off and flooded the prisons , they would be a priority then.
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I’d refer you to the DCLG’s evidence of the cost of homelessness paper if you think it’s not costing the government anything currently... |
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"It must be mental issues because surly prison would be the better option than sleeping on the street? Maybe I'm wrong
Really?!?!
I knew someone that told me when they were in prison they were offered early release on a tag. They refused and done the time. Saying at least they had company, TV, games room . Food, shower s, hot water. Meals. She wasn't even being made homeless but didn't want to go into a bedsit and find these things for herself. She was an heroin addict. In prison she got a methadone programme. Back out in the real world she got a manky bedsit with nothing but temptation all around her. So my option comes from her experience. Oh and of course there are prison officers and CTV to help with safety unlike hostels or the streets.
That’s not the issue though. There are thousands of people living on our streets that don’t commit crimes. Yet we house criminals and don’t have an option for those that don’t commit crimes.
I get that but if it was me faced with homelessness I'd do whatever it takes to survive the winter. I'd choose the loony bin over a wheelie bin any day of the week.
I agree the government should have places for people to go , enough places but they don't. And right at this moment in time while people live on the street and are not costing the government anything, they are not a priority to help. I'm sure if they kicked off and flooded the prisons , they would be a priority then.
I’d refer you to the DCLG’s evidence of the cost of homelessness paper if you think it’s not costing the government anything currently..."
As someone said up the thread a little . They helped and said they were subjected to abuse by people who don't want to or can't help themselves. Housing is for functioning members of society. Some people can't cope with it and end up on the street s. I believe mental health needs a big kick up the arse too . Not just a building to live in. But actual help with things most of us do every day without an issue. The church helping is all well and good but alot of people don't want to be bothered with the preachings of church goers. |
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I cant help but wonder at some of the flippant and negativity displayed throughout this thread.
The systemic failings with state support are well documented, not all homeless are on the streets. Of those that are some often have issues where they "choose" homelessness as they are unable to function in other locations.
The homeless are not an amorphous collective. Each is a human being. Many have their own unique complex life issues and almost all suffer from a lack of coordinated support to help them move to a different way of living, and on occasions they are unable to make that transition.
Where is the love?
Wheely bins, verbal jousting on the forums, and cynical comment on lives that may be so beyond most of our own experiences is no reason for abandoning those in need, whatever that need may be.
Just because the answers are sometimes difficult doesn't mean we should walk away and ignore or abandon those who "fall through the cracks" in society.
The solutions are complex, sometimes expensive too. But what value do we place on the life of another ...
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"It must be mental issues because surly prison would be the better option than sleeping on the street? Maybe I'm wrong
Really?!?!
I knew someone that told me when they were in prison they were offered early release on a tag. They refused and done the time. Saying at least they had company, TV, games room . Food, shower s, hot water. Meals. She wasn't even being made homeless but didn't want to go into a bedsit and find these things for herself. She was an heroin addict. In prison she got a methadone programme. Back out in the real world she got a manky bedsit with nothing but temptation all around her. So my option comes from her experience. Oh and of course there are prison officers and CTV to help with safety unlike hostels or the streets.
That’s not the issue though. There are thousands of people living on our streets that don’t commit crimes. Yet we house criminals and don’t have an option for those that don’t commit crimes.
I get that but if it was me faced with homelessness I'd do whatever it takes to survive the winter. I'd choose the loony bin over a wheelie bin any day of the week.
I agree the government should have places for people to go , enough places but they don't. And right at this moment in time while people live on the street and are not costing the government anything, they are not a priority to help. I'm sure if they kicked off and flooded the prisons , they would be a priority then.
I’d refer you to the DCLG’s evidence of the cost of homelessness paper if you think it’s not costing the government anything currently...
As someone said up the thread a little . They helped and said they were subjected to abuse by people who don't want to or can't help themselves. Housing is for functioning members of society. Some people can't cope with it and end up on the street s. I believe mental health needs a big kick up the arse too . Not just a building to live in. But actual help with things most of us do every day without an issue. The church helping is all well and good but alot of people don't want to be bothered with the preachings of church goers. "
Really!
You really don't get what's really happening at all. |
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"Terrible! There are tens of thousands of churches empty overnight...use them and work with the homeless to get them back into society
I appreciate the sentiment, but a bed in a cold empty church is not an answer. These people are homeless, they need a house.
Obviously, any support nneds over an above that should also be met but unconditional housing is what's needed first.
But surely taking them into a church and then having a support team to offer advice, health check ups etc is better than being left on the streets
Manpower!!
I’d volunteer one night a week in a church
I was in a church at Christmas time , I was shocked to find it was warm and cosy for such a big building in the middle of winter. So yes, if the churches preach good will to all men they should be opening there doors and helping the homeless"
They are. |
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"The government won't address the problem. In many cases, they cause the problem.
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Exactly.
Often early intervention is needed but lack of resources means almost all of the services are so stretched they can only offer emergency assistance. This then means its more time consuming and expensive to resolve.
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"https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/multimillionaire-invents-bin-pods-rough-21397084
So I was perusing the news online and stumbled across this.
I'm really not sure what I make of it.
People are vulnerable no matter where they sleep outside... cant help but feel a subliminal message. Or maybe I am overthinking "
You aren't overthinking ... wish there was more caring people like you lovely the world would be a better place. It hurts my heart to think of them sleeping in bins.
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"The government won't address the problem. In many cases, they cause the problem.
Exactly.
Often early intervention is needed but lack of resources means almost all of the services are so stretched they can only offer emergency assistance. This then means its more time consuming and expensive to resolve.
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Their fake medical of ESA claimants has killed thousands and Universal credit is abysmal. But their they are with a large majority. The problem with this country isn't really the government. It's the people that vote in oppression and hate.
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"The government won't address the problem. In many cases, they cause the problem.
Exactly.
Often early intervention is needed but lack of resources means almost all of the services are so stretched they can only offer emergency assistance. This then means its more time consuming and expensive to resolve.
Their fake medical of ESA claimants has killed thousands and Universal credit is abysmal. But their they are with a large majority. The problem with this country isn't really the government. It's the people that vote in oppression and hate.
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I couldn't agree more.
2 years ago I attended a work capability assessment in a professional capacity to support a young woman.
She was turned down, one of the reasons stated was she had said in her form she couldn't leave the house without support but attended alone.
We appealed as I was with her from start to finish.
She got it in the end but this whole thing took 16 weeks. By which time she was in major rent arrears and had been served an eviction notice.
We were able to deal with it but that's because she had support, many don't. |
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"The government won't address the problem. In many cases, they cause the problem.
Exactly.
Often early intervention is needed but lack of resources means almost all of the services are so stretched they can only offer emergency assistance. This then means its more time consuming and expensive to resolve.
Their fake medical of ESA claimants has killed thousands and Universal credit is abysmal. But their they are with a large majority. The problem with this country isn't really the government. It's the people that vote in oppression and hate.
I couldn't agree more.
2 years ago I attended a work capability assessment in a professional capacity to support a young woman.
She was turned down, one of the reasons stated was she had said in her form she couldn't leave the house without support but attended alone.
We appealed as I was with her from start to finish.
She got it in the end but this whole thing took 16 weeks. By which time she was in major rent arrears and had been served an eviction notice.
We were able to deal with it but that's because she had support, many don't. "
This doesn't even get a mention by MSN. All swept under the carpet.
Strange that.
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"The government won't address the problem. In many cases, they cause the problem.
Exactly.
Often early intervention is needed but lack of resources means almost all of the services are so stretched they can only offer emergency assistance. This then means its more time consuming and expensive to resolve.
Their fake medical of ESA claimants has killed thousands and Universal credit is abysmal. But their they are with a large majority. The problem with this country isn't really the government. It's the people that vote in oppression and hate.
I couldn't agree more.
2 years ago I attended a work capability assessment in a professional capacity to support a young woman.
She was turned down, one of the reasons stated was she had said in her form she couldn't leave the house without support but attended alone.
We appealed as I was with her from start to finish.
She got it in the end but this whole thing took 16 weeks. By which time she was in major rent arrears and had been served an eviction notice.
We were able to deal with it but that's because she had support, many don't.
This doesn't even get a mention by MSN. All swept under the carpet.
Strange that.
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It was not an isolated case either.
I have to say that since it all come to light in the high court, things do seem to have got a little better but still a long way to go.
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I just thought I'd add my opinion to this for what it's worth.
First off, I work in research and specialise in homeless, have a PhD in the subject, and have many years working in homelessness.
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the biggest problem with our world today, ive worked with loads of people who had degrees in this and that, but most fell short when it came to doing the job, sorry for spelling, i dont have a degree
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"https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/multimillionaire-invents-bin-pods-rough-21397084
So I was perusing the news online and stumbled across this.
I'm really not sure what I make of it.
People are vulnerable no matter where they sleep outside... cant help but feel a subliminal message. Or maybe I am overthinking "
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I've met homeless folk who will not stay in hostels because of violence & robberies, folk that deliberately get arrested & jailed because the have everything they need in there & do this everytime they are released, folk who lost everything in divorce, folk who lost everything due to business debts (not Ltd) & folk who actively choose to live free from society.
The bin has a lid or door if you put it on its side & is waterproof, definitely warmer than a wet soggy sleeping bag so I get it.
I think about fecking off with very little I.e. clothes & basic tools & going off grid completely quite often these days. |
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That's horrific, humiliating and soul destroying. Surely the money yes putting into this could pay to fund a hostel.
I was involved with a homeless charity when I lived in Birmingham. I found the majority of people I came into contact with just wanted someone to talk to them and treat them like a human being. One person humbled me when I tried to give him some gloves, he said mine are fine, give them to someone with more need than me |
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