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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Tracy Brabin MP, a strong and intelligent woman was doing a grand job attacking the government in The House in a most erudite manner and all people can fixate on is the fact that her dress slipped off her shoulder, being attacked on both social media and in the press as a result.
If this is all that can be drawn from her speech then it's no wonder the world's in it's current state. Surely this is not the message we want to be sending out to our daughters. Dear, oh dear. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"why just your daughters"
Because it suggests that no matter how good you are at your job as a woman nor how hard you've worked to get there all that matters is what you look like. |
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She's a woman, she won't have been surprised that her appearance was focused on rather than the words she was saying.
I don't condone the naysayers for one nanosecond. However women in any position of power of authority should realise that they need to dress a certain way to have a chance of being taken seriously. Also if a male mp stood up to make a speech with a shirt unbuttoned to the waist I suspect he would have been criticised just maybe not in such terms as Tracy Brabin |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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"She's a woman, she won't have been surprised that her appearance was focused on rather than the words she was saying.
I don't condone the naysayers for one nanosecond. However women in any position of power of authority should realise that they need to dress a certain way to have a chance of being taken seriously. Also if a male mp stood up to make a speech with a shirt unbuttoned to the waist I suspect he would have been criticised just maybe not in such terms as Tracy Brabin"
Yes, quite right. In certain jobs, we are expected to dress a certain way  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"She's a woman, she won't have been surprised that her appearance was focused on rather than the words she was saying.
I don't condone the naysayers for one nanosecond. However women in any position of power of authority should realise that they need to dress a certain way to have a chance of being taken seriously. Also if a male mp stood up to make a speech with a shirt unbuttoned to the waist I suspect he would have been criticised just maybe not in such terms as Tracy Brabin"
Except that an unbuttoned shirt is clearly premeditated whereas a slipping dress appears accidental, or are people suggesting otherwise? Of course she should have adjusted it but that's hardly the point. |
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"She's a woman, she won't have been surprised that her appearance was focused on rather than the words she was saying.
I don't condone the naysayers for one nanosecond. However women in any position of power of authority should realise that they need to dress a certain way to have a chance of being taken seriously. Also if a male mp stood up to make a speech with a shirt unbuttoned to the waist I suspect he would have been criticised just maybe not in such terms as Tracy Brabin
Yes, quite right. In certain jobs, we are expected to dress a certain way "
Yep. In life in general we will *always* be criticised by some for the way we look and dress. |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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"She's a woman, she won't have been surprised that her appearance was focused on rather than the words she was saying.
I don't condone the naysayers for one nanosecond. However women in any position of power of authority should realise that they need to dress a certain way to have a chance of being taken seriously. Also if a male mp stood up to make a speech with a shirt unbuttoned to the waist I suspect he would have been criticised just maybe not in such terms as Tracy Brabin
Yes, quite right. In certain jobs, we are expected to dress a certain way
Yep. In life in general we will *always* be criticised by some for the way we look and dress."
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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"There is something very sexy about women in powerful jobs in the boardroom or on the front benches. It does not matter how they dress but power is an aphrodisiac.."
I think it does matter how she dresses in that situation, where do you draw the line? |
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Just watched the clip, you can't see anything whatsoever it's not a Janet Jackson malfunction. I show more skin that she did and I go to board meetings etc and I get taken seriously and expect not to be called a slapper. |
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"She's a woman, she won't have been surprised that her appearance was focused on rather than the words she was saying.
I don't condone the naysayers for one nanosecond. However women in any position of power of authority should realise that they need to dress a certain way to have a chance of being taken seriously. Also if a male mp stood up to make a speech with a shirt unbuttoned to the waist I suspect he would have been criticised just maybe not in such terms as Tracy Brabin
Except that an unbuttoned shirt is clearly premeditated whereas a slipping dress appears accidental, or are people suggesting otherwise? Of course she should have adjusted it but that's hardly the point."
Accidental or otherwise doesn't matter in the culture of casual misogyny in which we live.
I don't know if it was accidental, all the reports I read referred to an off the shoulder dress although it looked to me like it had slipped.
I think what happened to her is representative of the hatred that is directed towards successful,intelligent women in the public eye |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Just watched the clip, you can't see anything whatsoever it's not a Janet Jackson malfunction. I show more skin that she did and I go to board meetings etc and I get taken seriously and expect not to be called a slapper. "
I know, it's just a shoulder. |
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I will say it was a bit distracting and to all of those media fools and journalists. Stop being negative. If anything it is to be applauded. We need lighter moments and a springle of fairydust to lighten the mood of grim politics. Only a woman can do that. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"She's a woman, she won't have been surprised that her appearance was focused on rather than the words she was saying.
I don't condone the naysayers for one nanosecond. However women in any position of power of authority should realise that they need to dress a certain way to have a chance of being taken seriously. Also if a male mp stood up to make a speech with a shirt unbuttoned to the waist I suspect he would have been criticised just maybe not in such terms as Tracy Brabin
Except that an unbuttoned shirt is clearly premeditated whereas a slipping dress appears accidental, or are people suggesting otherwise? Of course she should have adjusted it but that's hardly the point.
Accidental or otherwise doesn't matter in the culture of casual misogyny in which we live.
I don't know if it was accidental, all the reports I read referred to an off the shoulder dress although it looked to me like it had slipped.
I think what happened to her is representative of the hatred that is directed towards successful,intelligent women in the public eye"
My point exactly. |
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Well hatrid or hatred is a strong discription. I am.not sure that women in higher positions are hated. did see the clip and I can't remember what she said but she delivered it clearly and looked darn fine as she did so. |
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"She's a woman, she won't have been surprised that her appearance was focused on rather than the words she was saying.
I don't condone the naysayers for one nanosecond. However women in any position of power of authority should realise that they need to dress a certain way to have a chance of being taken seriously. Also if a male mp stood up to make a speech with a shirt unbuttoned to the waist I suspect he would have been criticised just maybe not in such terms as Tracy Brabin
Except that an unbuttoned shirt is clearly premeditated whereas a slipping dress appears accidental, or are people suggesting otherwise? Of course she should have adjusted it but that's hardly the point.
Accidental or otherwise doesn't matter in the culture of casual misogyny in which we live.
I don't know if it was accidental, all the reports I read referred to an off the shoulder dress although it looked to me like it had slipped.
I think what happened to her is representative of the hatred that is directed towards successful,intelligent women in the public eye
My point exactly."
If it wasn't so serious it would be laughable. Some of the hysterical social media posts make me realise that we've hardly moved forward in the last 100 years in terms of how women are perceived by many people who have access to a vote and a smart phone. |
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"She's a woman, she won't have been surprised that her appearance was focused on rather than the words she was saying.
I don't condone the naysayers for one nanosecond. However women in any position of power of authority should realise that they need to dress a certain way to have a chance of being taken seriously. Also if a male mp stood up to make a speech with a shirt unbuttoned to the waist I suspect he would have been criticised just maybe not in such terms as Tracy Brabin
Except that an unbuttoned shirt is clearly premeditated whereas a slipping dress appears accidental, or are people suggesting otherwise? Of course she should have adjusted it but that's hardly the point.
Accidental or otherwise doesn't matter in the culture of casual misogyny in which we live.
I don't know if it was accidental, all the reports I read referred to an off the shoulder dress although it looked to me like it had slipped.
I think what happened to her is representative of the hatred that is directed towards successful,intelligent women in the public eye
My point exactly.
If it wasn't so serious it would be laughable. Some of the hysterical social media posts make me realise that we've hardly moved forward in the last 100 years in terms of how women are perceived by many people who have access to a vote and a smart phone."
It's really depressing, I thought we'd moved on from women having to be "ball breakers" to succeed. That we were able to express our femininity if we so wished. Showing a shoulder in a high power job leads to this kind of trolling is just unnecessary. |
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"She's a woman, she won't have been surprised that her appearance was focused on rather than the words she was saying.
I don't condone the naysayers for one nanosecond. However women in any position of power of authority should realise that they need to dress a certain way to have a chance of being taken seriously. Also if a male mp stood up to make a speech with a shirt unbuttoned to the waist I suspect he would have been criticised just maybe not in such terms as Tracy Brabin
Except that an unbuttoned shirt is clearly premeditated whereas a slipping dress appears accidental, or are people suggesting otherwise? Of course she should have adjusted it but that's hardly the point.
Accidental or otherwise doesn't matter in the culture of casual misogyny in which we live.
I don't know if it was accidental, all the reports I read referred to an off the shoulder dress although it looked to me like it had slipped.
I think what happened to her is representative of the hatred that is directed towards successful,intelligent women in the public eye
My point exactly.
If it wasn't so serious it would be laughable. Some of the hysterical social media posts make me realise that we've hardly moved forward in the last 100 years in terms of how women are perceived by many people who have access to a vote and a smart phone.
It's really depressing, I thought we'd moved on from women having to be "ball breakers" to succeed. That we were able to express our femininity if we so wished. Showing a shoulder in a high power job leads to this kind of trolling is just unnecessary."
Meanwhile some male mps walk around looking as if they've slept in their clothes. |
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"She's a woman, she won't have been surprised that her appearance was focused on rather than the words she was saying.
I don't condone the naysayers for one nanosecond. However women in any position of power of authority should realise that they need to dress a certain way to have a chance of being taken seriously. Also if a male mp stood up to make a speech with a shirt unbuttoned to the waist I suspect he would have been criticised just maybe not in such terms as Tracy Brabin
Except that an unbuttoned shirt is clearly premeditated whereas a slipping dress appears accidental, or are people suggesting otherwise? Of course she should have adjusted it but that's hardly the point.
Accidental or otherwise doesn't matter in the culture of casual misogyny in which we live.
I don't know if it was accidental, all the reports I read referred to an off the shoulder dress although it looked to me like it had slipped.
I think what happened to her is representative of the hatred that is directed towards successful,intelligent women in the public eye
My point exactly.
If it wasn't so serious it would be laughable. Some of the hysterical social media posts make me realise that we've hardly moved forward in the last 100 years in terms of how women are perceived by many people who have access to a vote and a smart phone.
It's really depressing, I thought we'd moved on from women having to be "ball breakers" to succeed. That we were able to express our femininity if we so wished. Showing a shoulder in a high power job leads to this kind of trolling is just unnecessary."
She should not be trolled at all but I wonder how many compliments she received. Perhaps she is only showing the negatives to turn it into something it's not |
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"She's a woman, she won't have been surprised that her appearance was focused on rather than the words she was saying.
I don't condone the naysayers for one nanosecond. However women in any position of power of authority should realise that they need to dress a certain way to have a chance of being taken seriously. Also if a male mp stood up to make a speech with a shirt unbuttoned to the waist I suspect he would have been criticised just maybe not in such terms as Tracy Brabin
Except that an unbuttoned shirt is clearly premeditated whereas a slipping dress appears accidental, or are people suggesting otherwise? Of course she should have adjusted it but that's hardly the point.
Accidental or otherwise doesn't matter in the culture of casual misogyny in which we live.
I don't know if it was accidental, all the reports I read referred to an off the shoulder dress although it looked to me like it had slipped.
I think what happened to her is representative of the hatred that is directed towards successful,intelligent women in the public eye
My point exactly.
If it wasn't so serious it would be laughable. Some of the hysterical social media posts make me realise that we've hardly moved forward in the last 100 years in terms of how women are perceived by many people who have access to a vote and a smart phone.
It's really depressing, I thought we'd moved on from women having to be "ball breakers" to succeed. That we were able to express our femininity if we so wished. Showing a shoulder in a high power job leads to this kind of trolling is just unnecessary.
She should not be trolled at all but I wonder how many compliments she received. Perhaps she is only showing the negatives to turn it into something it's not "
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We should disregard the negatives if she received compliments? I can't agree with that. |
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"She's a woman, she won't have been surprised that her appearance was focused on rather than the words she was saying.
I don't condone the naysayers for one nanosecond. However women in any position of power of authority should realise that they need to dress a certain way to have a chance of being taken seriously. Also if a male mp stood up to make a speech with a shirt unbuttoned to the waist I suspect he would have been criticised just maybe not in such terms as Tracy Brabin
Except that an unbuttoned shirt is clearly premeditated whereas a slipping dress appears accidental, or are people suggesting otherwise? Of course she should have adjusted it but that's hardly the point.
Accidental or otherwise doesn't matter in the culture of casual misogyny in which we live.
I don't know if it was accidental, all the reports I read referred to an off the shoulder dress although it looked to me like it had slipped.
I think what happened to her is representative of the hatred that is directed towards successful,intelligent women in the public eye
My point exactly.
If it wasn't so serious it would be laughable. Some of the hysterical social media posts make me realise that we've hardly moved forward in the last 100 years in terms of how women are perceived by many people who have access to a vote and a smart phone.
It's really depressing, I thought we'd moved on from women having to be "ball breakers" to succeed. That we were able to express our femininity if we so wished. Showing a shoulder in a high power job leads to this kind of trolling is just unnecessary.
She should not be trolled at all but I wonder how many compliments she received. Perhaps she is only showing the negatives to turn it into something it's not I
We should disregard the negatives if she received compliments? I can't agree with that."
But if there are 100 positives and one negative then it's not the biggest story |
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Her comment on bbc brekkie this morning showed her right up. Claiming people were having a go at her were sexist then saying it was probably from keyboard warriors living at their parents home eating pot noodles and not leaving the bedroom.
Fucking stupid cow |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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"Her comment on bbc brekkie this morning showed her right up. Claiming people were having a go at her were sexist then saying it was probably from keyboard warriors living at their parents home eating pot noodles and not leaving the bedroom.
Fucking stupid cow"
Yep not the best comment. Apparently the said dress is flying off the shelves  |
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"She's a woman, she won't have been surprised that her appearance was focused on rather than the words she was saying.
I don't condone the naysayers for one nanosecond. However women in any position of power of authority should realise that they need to dress a certain way to have a chance of being taken seriously. Also if a male mp stood up to make a speech with a shirt unbuttoned to the waist I suspect he would have been criticised just maybe not in such terms as Tracy Brabin
Except that an unbuttoned shirt is clearly premeditated whereas a slipping dress appears accidental, or are people suggesting otherwise? Of course she should have adjusted it but that's hardly the point.
Accidental or otherwise doesn't matter in the culture of casual misogyny in which we live.
I don't know if it was accidental, all the reports I read referred to an off the shoulder dress although it looked to me like it had slipped.
I think what happened to her is representative of the hatred that is directed towards successful,intelligent women in the public eye
My point exactly.
If it wasn't so serious it would be laughable. Some of the hysterical social media posts make me realise that we've hardly moved forward in the last 100 years in terms of how women are perceived by many people who have access to a vote and a smart phone.
It's really depressing, I thought we'd moved on from women having to be "ball breakers" to succeed. That we were able to express our femininity if we so wished. Showing a shoulder in a high power job leads to this kind of trolling is just unnecessary.
She should not be trolled at all but I wonder how many compliments she received. Perhaps she is only showing the negatives to turn it into something it's not I
We should disregard the negatives if she received compliments? I can't agree with that.
But if there are 100 positives and one negative then it's not the biggest story "
being called d*unk, a slag, a tart, looking as if you've just been banged over a wheelie bin because you have a shoulder showing is something that in my opinion needs being shown for what it is. Receiving compliments doesn't cancel those sort of comments out and kind of kisses the point that we're making which is that it's her words and actions as an mp that are important not how she looks |
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"Her comment on bbc brekkie this morning showed her right up. Claiming people were having a go at her were sexist then saying it was probably from keyboard warriors living at their parents home eating pot noodles and not leaving the bedroom.
Fucking stupid cow"
I suspect a lot of them are sexist. Sadly most of them probably lead normal lives. |
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"She's a woman, she won't have been surprised that her appearance was focused on rather than the words she was saying.
I don't condone the naysayers for one nanosecond. However women in any position of power of authority should realise that they need to dress a certain way to have a chance of being taken seriously. Also if a male mp stood up to make a speech with a shirt unbuttoned to the waist I suspect he would have been criticised just maybe not in such terms as Tracy Brabin
Except that an unbuttoned shirt is clearly premeditated whereas a slipping dress appears accidental, or are people suggesting otherwise? Of course she should have adjusted it but that's hardly the point.
Accidental or otherwise doesn't matter in the culture of casual misogyny in which we live.
I don't know if it was accidental, all the reports I read referred to an off the shoulder dress although it looked to me like it had slipped.
I think what happened to her is representative of the hatred that is directed towards successful,intelligent women in the public eye
My point exactly.
If it wasn't so serious it would be laughable. Some of the hysterical social media posts make me realise that we've hardly moved forward in the last 100 years in terms of how women are perceived by many people who have access to a vote and a smart phone.
It's really depressing, I thought we'd moved on from women having to be "ball breakers" to succeed. That we were able to express our femininity if we so wished. Showing a shoulder in a high power job leads to this kind of trolling is just unnecessary.
She should not be trolled at all but I wonder how many compliments she received. Perhaps she is only showing the negatives to turn it into something it's not I
We should disregard the negatives if she received compliments? I can't agree with that.
But if there are 100 positives and one negative then it's not the biggest story
being called d*unk, a slag, a tart, looking as if you've just been banged over a wheelie bin because you have a shoulder showing is something that in my opinion needs being shown for what it is. Receiving compliments doesn't cancel those sort of comments out and kind of kisses the point that we're making which is that it's her words and actions as an mp that are important not how she looks"
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"She's a woman, she won't have been surprised that her appearance was focused on rather than the words she was saying.
I don't condone the naysayers for one nanosecond. However women in any position of power of authority should realise that they need to dress a certain way to have a chance of being taken seriously. Also if a male mp stood up to make a speech with a shirt unbuttoned to the waist I suspect he would have been criticised just maybe not in such terms as Tracy Brabin
Except that an unbuttoned shirt is clearly premeditated whereas a slipping dress appears accidental, or are people suggesting otherwise? Of course she should have adjusted it but that's hardly the point.
Accidental or otherwise doesn't matter in the culture of casual misogyny in which we live.
I don't know if it was accidental, all the reports I read referred to an off the shoulder dress although it looked to me like it had slipped.
I think what happened to her is representative of the hatred that is directed towards successful,intelligent women in the public eye
My point exactly.
If it wasn't so serious it would be laughable. Some of the hysterical social media posts make me realise that we've hardly moved forward in the last 100 years in terms of how women are perceived by many people who have access to a vote and a smart phone.
It's really depressing, I thought we'd moved on from women having to be "ball breakers" to succeed. That we were able to express our femininity if we so wished. Showing a shoulder in a high power job leads to this kind of trolling is just unnecessary.
She should not be trolled at all but I wonder how many compliments she received. Perhaps she is only showing the negatives to turn it into something it's not I
We should disregard the negatives if she received compliments? I can't agree with that.
But if there are 100 positives and one negative then it's not the biggest story
being called d*unk, a slag, a tart, looking as if you've just been banged over a wheelie bin because you have a shoulder showing is something that in my opinion needs being shown for what it is. Receiving compliments doesn't cancel those sort of comments out and kind of kisses the point that we're making which is that it's her words and actions as an mp that are important not how she looks"
I will give up my point. You are clearly correct. Your point is well put.
I was wondering if she is using the negatives to gain political points |
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By *ot kevinMan
over a year ago
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"Her comment on bbc brekkie this morning showed her right up. Claiming people were having a go at her were sexist then saying it was probably from keyboard warriors living at their parents home eating pot noodles and not leaving the bedroom.
Fucking stupid cow"
Why does that make her a stupid cow?
The thing is she is probably right.
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What does concern me is the way that you casually dismiss the abuse she has received and making it sound like she has no right to defend herself. If anything it shows a lack of insight and compassion on your part.. |
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"She's a woman, she won't have been surprised that her appearance was focused on rather than the words she was saying.
I don't condone the naysayers for one nanosecond. However women in any position of power of authority should realise that they need to dress a certain way to have a chance of being taken seriously. Also if a male mp stood up to make a speech with a shirt unbuttoned to the waist I suspect he would have been criticised just maybe not in such terms as Tracy Brabin
Except that an unbuttoned shirt is clearly premeditated whereas a slipping dress appears accidental, or are people suggesting otherwise? Of course she should have adjusted it but that's hardly the point.
Accidental or otherwise doesn't matter in the culture of casual misogyny in which we live.
I don't know if it was accidental, all the reports I read referred to an off the shoulder dress although it looked to me like it had slipped.
I think what happened to her is representative of the hatred that is directed towards successful,intelligent women in the public eye
My point exactly.
If it wasn't so serious it would be laughable. Some of the hysterical social media posts make me realise that we've hardly moved forward in the last 100 years in terms of how women are perceived by many people who have access to a vote and a smart phone.
It's really depressing, I thought we'd moved on from women having to be "ball breakers" to succeed. That we were able to express our femininity if we so wished. Showing a shoulder in a high power job leads to this kind of trolling is just unnecessary.
She should not be trolled at all but I wonder how many compliments she received. Perhaps she is only showing the negatives to turn it into something it's not I
We should disregard the negatives if she received compliments? I can't agree with that.
But if there are 100 positives and one negative then it's not the biggest story
being called d*unk, a slag, a tart, looking as if you've just been banged over a wheelie bin because you have a shoulder showing is something that in my opinion needs being shown for what it is. Receiving compliments doesn't cancel those sort of comments out and kind of kisses the point that we're making which is that it's her words and actions as an mp that are important not how she looks
I will give up my point. You are clearly correct. Your point is well put.
I was wondering if she is using the negatives to gain political points"
She's an mp she'll be using anything she can to gain political points, I would! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"She's a woman, she won't have been surprised that her appearance was focused on rather than the words she was saying.
I don't condone the naysayers for one nanosecond. However women in any position of power of authority should realise that they need to dress a certain way to have a chance of being taken seriously. Also if a male mp stood up to make a speech with a shirt unbuttoned to the waist I suspect he would have been criticised just maybe not in such terms as Tracy Brabin
Except that an unbuttoned shirt is clearly premeditated whereas a slipping dress appears accidental, or are people suggesting otherwise? Of course she should have adjusted it but that's hardly the point.
Accidental or otherwise doesn't matter in the culture of casual misogyny in which we live.
I don't know if it was accidental, all the reports I read referred to an off the shoulder dress although it looked to me like it had slipped.
I think what happened to her is representative of the hatred that is directed towards successful,intelligent women in the public eye
My point exactly.
If it wasn't so serious it would be laughable. Some of the hysterical social media posts make me realise that we've hardly moved forward in the last 100 years in terms of how women are perceived by many people who have access to a vote and a smart phone.
It's really depressing, I thought we'd moved on from women having to be "ball breakers" to succeed. That we were able to express our femininity if we so wished. Showing a shoulder in a high power job leads to this kind of trolling is just unnecessary.
She should not be trolled at all but I wonder how many compliments she received. Perhaps she is only showing the negatives to turn it into something it's not I
We should disregard the negatives if she received compliments? I can't agree with that.
But if there are 100 positives and one negative then it's not the biggest story
being called d*unk, a slag, a tart, looking as if you've just been banged over a wheelie bin because you have a shoulder showing is something that in my opinion needs being shown for what it is. Receiving compliments doesn't cancel those sort of comments out and kind of kisses the point that we're making which is that it's her words and actions as an mp that are important not how she looks
I will give up my point. You are clearly correct. Your point is well put.
I was wondering if she is using the negatives to gain political points"
To gain political points? I think not. But to highlight the problems women still face today when we're supposedly inclusive and equal. I can't fault her for that, more strength to her. |
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"She's a woman, she won't have been surprised that her appearance was focused on rather than the words she was saying.
I don't condone the naysayers for one nanosecond. However women in any position of power of authority should realise that they need to dress a certain way to have a chance of being taken seriously. Also if a male mp stood up to make a speech with a shirt unbuttoned to the waist I suspect he would have been criticised just maybe not in such terms as Tracy Brabin
Except that an unbuttoned shirt is clearly premeditated whereas a slipping dress appears accidental, or are people suggesting otherwise? Of course she should have adjusted it but that's hardly the point.
Accidental or otherwise doesn't matter in the culture of casual misogyny in which we live.
I don't know if it was accidental, all the reports I read referred to an off the shoulder dress although it looked to me like it had slipped.
I think what happened to her is representative of the hatred that is directed towards successful,intelligent women in the public eye
My point exactly.
If it wasn't so serious it would be laughable. Some of the hysterical social media posts make me realise that we've hardly moved forward in the last 100 years in terms of how women are perceived by many people who have access to a vote and a smart phone.
It's really depressing, I thought we'd moved on from women having to be "ball breakers" to succeed. That we were able to express our femininity if we so wished. Showing a shoulder in a high power job leads to this kind of trolling is just unnecessary.
She should not be trolled at all but I wonder how many compliments she received. Perhaps she is only showing the negatives to turn it into something it's not I
We should disregard the negatives if she received compliments? I can't agree with that.
But if there are 100 positives and one negative then it's not the biggest story
being called d*unk, a slag, a tart, looking as if you've just been banged over a wheelie bin because you have a shoulder showing is something that in my opinion needs being shown for what it is. Receiving compliments doesn't cancel those sort of comments out and kind of kisses the point that we're making which is that it's her words and actions as an mp that are important not how she looks
I will give up my point. You are clearly correct. Your point is well put.
I was wondering if she is using the negatives to gain political points"
So what if she's using her platform to highlight what women put up with. I've had a colleague say I was a prostitute as I was wearing red heels. Luckily my male boss told him off once he knew. But this isn't often the case. |
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"She's a woman, she won't have been surprised that her appearance was focused on rather than the words she was saying.
I don't condone the naysayers for one nanosecond. However women in any position of power of authority should realise that they need to dress a certain way to have a chance of being taken seriously. Also if a male mp stood up to make a speech with a shirt unbuttoned to the waist I suspect he would have been criticised just maybe not in such terms as Tracy Brabin
Except that an unbuttoned shirt is clearly premeditated whereas a slipping dress appears accidental, or are people suggesting otherwise? Of course she should have adjusted it but that's hardly the point.
Accidental or otherwise doesn't matter in the culture of casual misogyny in which we live.
I don't know if it was accidental, all the reports I read referred to an off the shoulder dress although it looked to me like it had slipped.
I think what happened to her is representative of the hatred that is directed towards successful,intelligent women in the public eye
My point exactly.
If it wasn't so serious it would be laughable. Some of the hysterical social media posts make me realise that we've hardly moved forward in the last 100 years in terms of how women are perceived by many people who have access to a vote and a smart phone.
It's really depressing, I thought we'd moved on from women having to be "ball breakers" to succeed. That we were able to express our femininity if we so wished. Showing a shoulder in a high power job leads to this kind of trolling is just unnecessary.
She should not be trolled at all but I wonder how many compliments she received. Perhaps she is only showing the negatives to turn it into something it's not I
We should disregard the negatives if she received compliments? I can't agree with that.
But if there are 100 positives and one negative then it's not the biggest story
being called d*unk, a slag, a tart, looking as if you've just been banged over a wheelie bin because you have a shoulder showing is something that in my opinion needs being shown for what it is. Receiving compliments doesn't cancel those sort of comments out and kind of kisses the point that we're making which is that it's her words and actions as an mp that are important not how she looks
I will give up my point. You are clearly correct. Your point is well put.
I was wondering if she is using the negatives to gain political points
So what if she's using her platform to highlight what women put up with. I've had a colleague say I was a prostitute as I was wearing red heels. Luckily my male boss told him off once he knew. But this isn't often the case. "
There's nothing wrong in gaining political points from it, she's a politician.
I think most women will have encountered what she has to a greater or lesser degree, she's in a position to point out publicly that it's wrong, good for her but I wouldn't mind betting she'll get more flack for it. |
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"She's a woman, she won't have been surprised that her appearance was focused on rather than the words she was saying.
I don't condone the naysayers for one nanosecond. However women in any position of power of authority should realise that they need to dress a certain way to have a chance of being taken seriously. Also if a male mp stood up to make a speech with a shirt unbuttoned to the waist I suspect he would have been criticised just maybe not in such terms as Tracy Brabin
Except that an unbuttoned shirt is clearly premeditated whereas a slipping dress appears accidental, or are people suggesting otherwise? Of course she should have adjusted it but that's hardly the point.
Accidental or otherwise doesn't matter in the culture of casual misogyny in which we live.
I don't know if it was accidental, all the reports I read referred to an off the shoulder dress although it looked to me like it had slipped.
I think what happened to her is representative of the hatred that is directed towards successful,intelligent women in the public eye
My point exactly.
If it wasn't so serious it would be laughable. Some of the hysterical social media posts make me realise that we've hardly moved forward in the last 100 years in terms of how women are perceived by many people who have access to a vote and a smart phone.
It's really depressing, I thought we'd moved on from women having to be "ball breakers" to succeed. That we were able to express our femininity if we so wished. Showing a shoulder in a high power job leads to this kind of trolling is just unnecessary.
She should not be trolled at all but I wonder how many compliments she received. Perhaps she is only showing the negatives to turn it into something it's not I
We should disregard the negatives if she received compliments? I can't agree with that.
But if there are 100 positives and one negative then it's not the biggest story
being called d*unk, a slag, a tart, looking as if you've just been banged over a wheelie bin because you have a shoulder showing is something that in my opinion needs being shown for what it is. Receiving compliments doesn't cancel those sort of comments out and kind of kisses the point that we're making which is that it's her words and actions as an mp that are important not how she looks
I will give up my point. You are clearly correct. Your point is well put.
I was wondering if she is using the negatives to gain political points
So what if she's using her platform to highlight what women put up with. I've had a colleague say I was a prostitute as I was wearing red heels. Luckily my male boss told him off once he knew. But this isn't often the case.
There's nothing wrong in gaining political points from it, she's a politician.
I think most women will have encountered what she has to a greater or lesser degree, she's in a position to point out publicly that it's wrong, good for her but I wouldn't mind betting she'll get more flack for it."
Exactly politics are their game, she didn't purposefully expose her shoulder. People made a fuss and she's using it. Good on her |
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"Her comment on bbc brekkie this morning showed her right up. Claiming people were having a go at her were sexist then saying it was probably from keyboard warriors living at their parents home eating pot noodles and not leaving the bedroom.
Fucking stupid cow
Why does that make her a stupid cow?
The thing is she is probably right.
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What does concern me is the way that you casually dismiss the abuse she has received and making it sound like she has no right to defend herself. If anything it shows a lack of insight and compassion on your part.."
It's not casually dismissing the abuse she received. It's highlighting the fact she's dishing out abuse without any evidence against those she's slagging off.
That was my point and I stand by comment she's a stupid fukking cow fo
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As I said, I am old fashioned and albeit she is an attractive woman, I don't personally think it looked professional in the environment she was in. The abuse she received was disgusting though. |
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"Did anyone notice that she wasn't wearing a bra? 
Strapless? "
I suspect it's this issue that has caused the uproar, the fact no bra strap was visible which leads to the male population of parliament getting excited that there was unfettered boobs inside her top instead of the most likely multiway or strapless bra. She looked great & nothing wrong with how she looked but it did leave you wondering.....  |
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"Did anyone notice that she wasn't wearing a bra?
Strapless?
I suspect it's this issue that has caused the uproar, the fact no bra strap was visible which leads to the male population of parliament getting excited that there was unfettered boobs inside her top instead of the most likely multiway or strapless bra. She looked great & nothing wrong with how she looked but it did leave you wondering..... "
Maybe, who knows...yes she looked great for a night on the town |
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No one bat's an eyelid at the men falling asleep..
The country is in a mess.
People are dying without proper health care and support.
Children are in poverty and going hungry.
But yes, let's all fixate on a woman's shoulder.
I just don't see why it's even an issue! |
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"No one bat's an eyelid at the men falling asleep..
The country is in a mess.
People are dying without proper health care and support.
Children are in poverty and going hungry.
But yes, let's all fixate on a woman's shoulder.
I just don't see why it's even an issue! "
Something to talk about, I suppose |
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I remember the treatment Cherie Blair received at the hands of the press when she answered the door to no 10 in her nightdress. I also remember the vitriol poured on her in a forum I was on when she had a miscarriage. Women were saying she should have known better than to get pregnant at her age, was stupid to have allowed her contraception to fail etc.
It seems we haven't moved on. |
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It’s a piece of nonsense
She was out at an evening event, was dressed appropriately for it, then got called back to the house unexpectedly to present the bill
While hopping to the box due to a broken ankle her dress slipped off her shoulder...
Of all the things going on in the world right now that’s somehow big news  |
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"It’s a piece of nonsense
She was out at an evening event, was dressed appropriately for it, then got called back to the house unexpectedly to present the bill
While hopping to the box due to a broken ankle her dress slipped off her shoulder...
Of all the things going on in the world right now that’s somehow big news "
Maybe these lighter news stories are a distraction from the doom and gloom..
I do agree it was just a shoulder but to some races and religions it might be seen differently.. She has learned a lesson I suppose and won't make that mistake again I guess |
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Whereas it is perfectly ok for prime minister de Pfeffel to look like Worzel Gummidge dragged through a hedge backwards and his chief adviser to dress like a hungover politics student with very little criticism.
Huge double standard here |
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"why just your daughters
Because it suggests that no matter how good you are at your job as a woman nor how hard you've worked to get there all that matters is what you look like."
Like her on her defence interviews I think the point has been missed or is being twisted to suit. It isn't because she is female that she is being discussed, it is because clothes that are being worn for work look inappropriate . |
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"why just your daughters
Because it suggests that no matter how good you are at your job as a woman nor how hard you've worked to get there all that matters is what you look like.
Like her on her defence interviews I think the point has been missed or is being twisted to suit. It isn't because she is female that she is being discussed, it is because clothes that are being worn for work look inappropriate . "
Nevertheless i don't think the same level of abuse would be hurled at a man. |
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" I also remember the vitriol poured on her in a forum I was on when she had a miscarriage. Women were saying she should have known better than to get pregnant at her age, was stupid to have allowed her contraception to fail etc.
It seems we haven't moved on."
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Should it matter? No.
Should she be dressing appropriately? Yes.
If it had been a male politician showing the flesh he would have been ridiculed lets not fool ourselves he wouldn't but then it gives the PC brigade something to harp on about and the white knights something to wave their flag over. |
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"why just your daughters
Because it suggests that no matter how good you are at your job as a woman nor how hard you've worked to get there all that matters is what you look like.
Like her on her defence interviews I think the point has been missed or is being twisted to suit. It isn't because she is female that she is being discussed, it is because clothes that are being worn for work look inappropriate .
Nevertheless i don't think the same level of abuse would be hurled at a man."
I wasn't answering about the abuse, I was talking about what she said in her defence about wearing her dress and how people shouldn't be talking about her clothes as they wouldn't if it was a man. I am sure if a man turned up in the commons in a pair of shorts and a holiday shirt they would comment about that too as it wouldn't look appropriate either
The abuse seems to be a monster created by the internet, if the people where face to face they wouldn't have said it but I am sure the abusers give anyone abuse. |
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Was thinking about this and the appropriateness of what she wore. She was on a night out and was called into work unexpectedly.
For work I'm expected to dress a certain way, I've been called in on a day off in, and turned up straight from doing some gardening. And let's just say I was a mess, however, I had a job to do. She could have made some lame excuse not to in case her clothes were inappropriate, instead she got on with her job, which tax payers pay her to do. |
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"It’s a piece of nonsense
She was out at an evening event, was dressed appropriately for it, then got called back to the house unexpectedly to present the bill
While hopping to the box due to a broken ankle her dress slipped off her shoulder...
Of all the things going on in the world right now that’s somehow big news
Maybe these lighter news stories are a distraction from the doom and gloom..
I do agree it was just a shoulder but to some races and religions it might be seen differently.. She has learned a lesson I suppose and won't make that mistake again I guess "
The mistake of breaking her ankle and unexpectedly being called to the house of commons while at an event she was dressed appropriately for in the race and culture she's a part of? |
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In non of her defence interviews did she mention she had come from an event ( non that I saw anyway ) although I did think as her make up and hair was done that she looked like she had been on a night out. In one she said he dress fell down and it wasn't a one shoulder dress. |
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"In non of her defence interviews did she mention she had come from an event ( non that I saw anyway ) although I did think as her make up and hair was done that she looked like she had been on a night out. In one she said he dress fell down and it wasn't a one shoulder dress."
Read she'd been to a music event earlier on the BBC news website |
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Meanwhile some male mps walk around looking as if they've slept in their clothes."
Those mp's fall asleep at work, or take a load of stuff so they don't but heaven forfend a woman has an accident 
And as an aside, Nancy Pelosi is my big mood at the moment |
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"In non of her defence interviews did she mention she had come from an event ( non that I saw anyway ) although I did think as her make up and hair was done that she looked like she had been on a night out. In one she said he dress fell down and it wasn't a one shoulder dress.
Read she'd been to a music event earlier on the BBC news website "
Yeah I read that in a couple of places I think the Mail website was one. The problem is that things get misreported so now we'll never know if she was at a music event or not.
I have to say that I personally wouldn't have worn a one shoulder dress to work but I would to a music event. |
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"In non of her defence interviews did she mention she had come from an event ( non that I saw anyway ) although I did think as her make up and hair was done that she looked like she had been on a night out. In one she said he dress fell down and it wasn't a one shoulder dress.
Read she'd been to a music event earlier on the BBC news website "
I can't find it, do you have a link by any chance? |
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I have to say that I personally wouldn't have worn a one shoulder dress to work but I would to a music event. "
Snap, and lets face it, that is the point that normal non abusive people were making
I thought she looked gorgeous though for a night out at least |
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"In non of her defence interviews did she mention she had come from an event ( non that I saw anyway ) although I did think as her make up and hair was done that she looked like she had been on a night out. In one she said he dress fell down and it wasn't a one shoulder dress.
Read she'd been to a music event earlier on the BBC news website
I can't find it, do you have a link by any chance?"
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-leeds-51386155
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"well she has got to have something to draw attention away from her face?"
What does it matter what her face looks like?
has no relavence as to how good she is at her job. |
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"I remember the treatment Cherie Blair received at the hands of the press when she answered the door to no 10 in her nightdress. I also remember the vitriol poured on her in a forum I was on when she had a miscarriage. Women were saying she should have known better than to get pregnant at her age, was stupid to have allowed her contraception to fail etc.
It seems we haven't moved on."
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"In non of her defence interviews did she mention she had come from an event ( non that I saw anyway ) although I did think as her make up and hair was done that she looked like she had been on a night out. In one she said he dress fell down and it wasn't a one shoulder dress.
Read she'd been to a music event earlier on the BBC news website
I can't find it, do you have a link by any chance?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-leeds-51386155
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You see that's where it is confusing as in the actual interview there was no mention of her being at an event and yet they have said she said it. Dodgy reporting / said off air or added on at a later date...who knows
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Her treatment by the press and social media trolls, and some of the comments on this thread, are more examples of everyday sexism.
Sadly, twas ever thus. |
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"Her treatment by the press and social media trolls, and some of the comments on this thread, are more examples of everyday sexism.
Sadly, twas ever thus. "
Absolutely. |
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"Well I surprised that she didn't borrow a jacket or something or wore her coat.
Someone could have learnt her something surely"
The point is, she didn't need to.
She delivered a salient and succinct point, was dressed in a smart dress, the shoulder of which slipped as she was leaning against the dispatch box (broken ankle). Her attire was not inappropriate. Let's focus on her ability to represent constituents and not on her appearance. |
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"Well I surprised that she didn't borrow a jacket or something or wore her coat.
Someone could have learnt her something surely
The point is, she didn't need to.
She delivered a salient and succinct point, was dressed in a smart dress, the shoulder of which slipped as she was leaning against the dispatch box (broken ankle). Her attire was not inappropriate. Let's focus on her ability to represent constituents and not on her appearance. "
Well I watched it and could only concentrate on her shoulder. I didn't hear a thing she said.. |
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There are so many distractions in this story, I feel. Was she dressed appropriately/had she been at another event/should she have called her trolls names?
Here's the thing:
Woman shows a shoulder when she should be formally dressed. Some people on the internet call her all sorts of abusive names, and she then has to defend herself.
That's never OK, to my mind.
I really struggle to think of an equivalent situation for a man. Where dressing possibly inappropriately for a situation - for whatever reason - would lead to ridicule, abuse, and sexual slurs.
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"There are so many distractions in this story, I feel. Was she dressed appropriately/had she been at another event/should she have called her trolls names?
Here's the thing:
Woman shows a shoulder when she should be formally dressed. Some people on the internet call her all sorts of abusive names, and she then has to defend herself.
That's never OK, to my mind.
I really struggle to think of an equivalent situation for a man. Where dressing possibly inappropriately for a situation - for whatever reason - would lead to ridicule, abuse, and sexual slurs.
Mrs TMN x"
Michael Foot in his Duffle coat and Jeremy Corbyn is his Worzel Gummidge outfit at the cenotaph spring to mind |
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"There are so many distractions in this story, I feel. Was she dressed appropriately/had she been at another event/should she have called her trolls names?
Here's the thing:
Woman shows a shoulder when she should be formally dressed. Some people on the internet call her all sorts of abusive names, and she then has to defend herself.
That's never OK, to my mind.
I really struggle to think of an equivalent situation for a man. Where dressing possibly inappropriately for a situation - for whatever reason - would lead to ridicule, abuse, and sexual slurs.
Mrs TMN x
Michael Foot in his Duffle coat and Jeremy Corbyn is his Worzel Gummidge outfit at the cenotaph spring to mind"
Derogatory sexual slurs? |
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"There are so many distractions in this story, I feel. Was she dressed appropriately/had she been at another event/should she have called her trolls names?
Here's the thing:
Woman shows a shoulder when she should be formally dressed. Some people on the internet call her all sorts of abusive names, and she then has to defend herself.
That's never OK, to my mind.
I really struggle to think of an equivalent situation for a man. Where dressing possibly inappropriately for a situation - for whatever reason - would lead to ridicule, abuse, and sexual slurs.
Mrs TMN x
Michael Foot in his Duffle coat and Jeremy Corbyn is his Worzel Gummidge outfit at the cenotaph spring to mind
Derogatory sexual slurs? "
You not answering this one, Tom? |
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"There are so many distractions in this story, I feel. Was she dressed appropriately/had she been at another event/should she have called her trolls names?
Here's the thing:
Woman shows a shoulder when she should be formally dressed. Some people on the internet call her all sorts of abusive names, and she then has to defend herself.
That's never OK, to my mind.
I really struggle to think of an equivalent situation for a man. Where dressing possibly inappropriately for a situation - for whatever reason - would lead to ridicule, abuse, and sexual slurs.
Mrs TMN x
Michael Foot in his Duffle coat and Jeremy Corbyn is his Worzel Gummidge outfit at the cenotaph spring to mind
Derogatory sexual slurs?
You not answering this one, Tom? "
Hands up.. you beat me on that one.. I surrender |
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"There are so many distractions in this story, I feel. Was she dressed appropriately/had she been at another event/should she have called her trolls names?
Here's the thing:
Woman shows a shoulder when she should be formally dressed. Some people on the internet call her all sorts of abusive names, and she then has to defend herself.
That's never OK, to my mind.
I really struggle to think of an equivalent situation for a man. Where dressing possibly inappropriately for a situation - for whatever reason - would lead to ridicule, abuse, and sexual slurs.
Mrs TMN x
Michael Foot in his Duffle coat and Jeremy Corbyn is his Worzel Gummidge outfit at the cenotaph spring to mind
Derogatory sexual slurs?
You not answering this one, Tom?
Hands up.. you beat me on that one.. I surrender "
Fair dos I'm not saying it's all men doing the abusing, it definitely isn't, but I can’t think of a comparable situation for men. |
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"There are so many distractions in this story, I feel. Was she dressed appropriately/had she been at another event/should she have called her trolls names?
Here's the thing:
Woman shows a shoulder when she should be formally dressed. Some people on the internet call her all sorts of abusive names, and she then has to defend herself.
That's never OK, to my mind.
I really struggle to think of an equivalent situation for a man. Where dressing possibly inappropriately for a situation - for whatever reason - would lead to ridicule, abuse, and sexual slurs.
Mrs TMN x"
I find that men suffer a different kind of sexism though. How many times do you hear/read of men being told to "show some balls" or "man up" and that kind of thing. Women rarely get told to "woman up" and "show some labia" etc. |
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"There are so many distractions in this story, I feel. Was she dressed appropriately/had she been at another event/should she have called her trolls names?
Here's the thing:
Woman shows a shoulder when she should be formally dressed. Some people on the internet call her all sorts of abusive names, and she then has to defend herself.
That's never OK, to my mind.
I really struggle to think of an equivalent situation for a man. Where dressing possibly inappropriately for a situation - for whatever reason - would lead to ridicule, abuse, and sexual slurs.
Mrs TMN x
I find that men suffer a different kind of sexism though. How many times do you hear/read of men being told to "show some balls" or "man up" and that kind of thing. Women rarely get told to "woman up" and "show some labia" etc."
Oh, absolutely, that kind of thing is toxic. It doesn't change anything about the treatment of women, though, as I've said above. It's not all men wronging women or vice versa. |
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"Whereas it is perfectly ok for prime minister de Pfeffel to look like Worzel Gummidge dragged through a hedge backwards and his chief adviser to dress like a hungover politics student with very little criticism.
Huge double standard here "
Here here ! |
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"When I read her Twitter feed, I was surprised at how many derogatory comments came from what looked like women's accounts."
Women can often be worse to other women than men in terms of making comments
It says a lot about the mentality of the media that the story wasn’t “Determined MP hops to dispatch box after music gig despite recently broken ankle” but instead was all about her dress slipping down a bit |
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"There are so many distractions in this story, I feel. Was she dressed appropriately/had she been at another event/should she have called her trolls names?
Here's the thing:
Woman shows a shoulder when she should be formally dressed. Some people on the internet call her all sorts of abusive names, and she then has to defend herself.
That's never OK, to my mind.
I really struggle to think of an equivalent situation for a man. Where dressing possibly inappropriately for a situation - for whatever reason - would lead to ridicule, abuse, and sexual slurs.
Mrs TMN x
I find that men suffer a different kind of sexism though. How many times do you hear/read of men being told to "show some balls" or "man up" and that kind of thing. Women rarely get told to "woman up" and "show some labia" etc."
Women tend to get told to “stop being hysterical” or asked “is it time of the month?” as code for “woman up” |
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"Well I surprised that she didn't borrow a jacket or something or wore her coat.
Someone could have learnt her something surely
Nice pashmina? "
A pashmina can look hot though.
I've not seen the clip. But the more I read the more it sounds like some information was left out when reporting.
Not the whole story, so plenty of conclusions jumped to.
Piss poor really..... |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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"Well I surprised that she didn't borrow a jacket or something or wore her coat.
Someone could have learnt her something surely
Nice pashmina?
A pashmina can look hot though.
I've not seen the clip. But the more I read the more it sounds like some information was left out when reporting.
Not the whole story, so plenty of conclusions jumped to.
Piss poor really....."
Pashminas are very nice, warm too |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"When I read her Twitter feed, I was surprised at how many derogatory comments came from what looked like women's accounts.
Women can often be worse to other women than men in terms of making comments
It says a lot about the mentality of the media that the story wasn’t “Determined MP hops to dispatch box after music gig despite recently broken ankle” but instead was all about her dress slipping down a bit "
To be fair, she didn't mention that either in her interviews about it ( not the ones I saw anyway and sadly the news was on a lot where I was so couldn't get away from it ) |
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