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By (user no longer on site)
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"After the weekends events, should convicted terrorists be released back into the public domain without going through rehabilitation ??"
Define 'going through rehabilitation
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By (user no longer on site)
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There's just been some speculation on BBC news about this.
I say speculation, as that seems to be all the BBC do now
Apparently, the government want to end early release for tge most serious of crimes, however, there could be a legal issue concerning those currently serving sentences as they'll have been sentenced under the early release regime, so not quite as straightforward as we might hope |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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What the alternative to them being released at some point?
Execution? Deportation?
'Terror related offences' is a broad category, from committing attacks to publishing and handing out leaflets. Should both be capital offences?
There are always those screaming for deportation- which is hilarious when they're from suburban Britain.
Rehabilitation is part and parcel of being imprisoned whatever or the crime. Doesn't help when government cuts have stripped resources down to the bare bones.
There's no easy solution.
If you're going down the route of not releasing those convicted of terror offences then why not murderers, sex offenders or even habitual burglars?
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Lack of resources (both in terms of manpower and funding) is the major cause of a lack of rehabilitation and the rise in recidivism.
Private companies holding the contracts to both run the prisons and provide probation services also creates a conflict of interest.
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"If they have been convicted of terrorism why should the British system have to pay for there upkeep in prison execute them job done martyrs or not "
That's a very narrow point of view!
I work in the CJS and have known 2 people personally be convicted of terrorism in the the time I've been working. Both of whom were vulnerable children, who were radicalised online and received very punitive sentences compared to the severity of their crimes.
It would have made far more sense for them to be taken to a psych unit and for the government/authorities to find out how children are being radicalised so easily and prevent this from happening in the future. |
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"Lack of resources (both in terms of manpower and funding) is the major cause of a lack of rehabilitation and the rise in recidivism.
Private companies holding the contracts to both run the prisons and provide probation services also creates a conflict of interest.
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Absofuckinglutely. |
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"If they have been convicted of terrorism why should the British system have to pay for there upkeep in prison execute them job done martyrs or not
That's a very narrow point of view!
I work in the CJS and have known 2 people personally be convicted of terrorism in the the time I've been working. Both of whom were vulnerable children, who were radicalised online and received very punitive sentences compared to the severity of their crimes.
It would have made far more sense for them to be taken to a psych unit and for the government/authorities to find out how children are being radicalised so easily and prevent this from happening in the future."
And yes, this too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"After the weekends events, should convicted terrorists be released back into the public domain without going through rehabilitation ??"
They should be locked up for good and never released in my opinion, I would happily pay more tax for this |
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"After the weekends events, should convicted terrorists be released back into the public domain without going through rehabilitation ??
They should be locked up for good and never released in my opinion, I would happily pay more tax for this"
So that ALL people convicted of terrorism (which is a far broader description than the media would have you believe).
Most people that are arrested on suspicion of terrorism (many of whom of then convicted) realise immediately (once they're removed from their former environment) that they had been manipulated and radicalised and had no genuine thought of carrying out what they were accused of. Often they're accused and convicted of nothing more than downloading materials related to terrorism, with no conspiracy charges at all.
This means a lot of brilliant intel is neither obtained nor used to fight the genuine terrorist threat out there.
It's no different to convicting kids with 5 bags of , who are acting as runners, with possession with intent to supply, rather than going after the genuine drug dealers. |
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By *tella Heels OP TV/TS
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"After the weekends events, should convicted terrorists be released back into the public domain without going through rehabilitation ??
Define 'going through rehabilitation
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I firmly believe psycho analysis is required to determine the evaluate if they are still a threat, this man was being followed 24/7 by the armed security service.
Seems to me they knew he was a danger to the public.
I’m basing this on the BBC coverage this morning..
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By (user no longer on site)
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"After the weekends events, should convicted terrorists be released back into the public domain without going through rehabilitation ??
Define 'going through rehabilitation
I firmly believe psycho analysis is required to determine the evaluate if they are still a threat, this man was being followed 24/7 by the armed security service.
Seems to me they knew he was a danger to the public.
I’m basing this on the BBC coverage this morning..
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That's where the lack of resources comes in. You can't constantly make cuts to public services and privatise large swathes of the Criminal Justice System and still expect it to stop everyone falling through the cracks. |
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The lack of resources feels like it mirrors funding in residential care, proactive health services etc., it's all vague and hard to convert to a headline number that can be reported. How many people never came near committing crimes, being unemployed, dying early etc... they're all non-statistics so are easy targets for cuts, however massively crushing the consequences of cutting them really are. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We just execute them over here.
It feels like the last 2 in London were. Or is it suicide via police force?  I
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Why do you think they give the live ones such punitive punishments? They're very rare and usually very low down on the scale of offense/hierarchy of their involved organisation. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The lack of resources feels like it mirrors funding in residential care, proactive health services etc., it's all vague and hard to convert to a headline number that can be reported. How many people never came near committing crimes, being unemployed, dying early etc... they're all non-statistics so are easy targets for cuts, however massively crushing the consequences of cutting them really are."
It's not that vague and not that hard to report but it's also not in the interests of the press in this country, presently, to report on issues that might unite people in to some form of action, rather than keeping them hopelessly divided. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Can they actually be rehabilitated?
They do what they do out of a very deep belief that what they are doing is right.
We're not dealing with people who are stealing for food or to feed a habit. They arent murdering people because they got into a fight on a night out and got carried away.
I dont believe they can ever be rehabilitated
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By (user no longer on site)
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"After the weekends events, should convicted terrorists be released back into the public domain without going through rehabilitation ??"
You can't rehabilitate them - Terrorists- anyone who believes it to be possible is living in cloud cuckoo land. |
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If we could alter the views of these brain washed phsychos then I would be fully behind rehab. But I have a feeling they are too far gone. If we can't rehab them then we need to incarcerate them for longer without parole
I'm not in favour of the death penalty |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If we could alter the views of these brain washed phsychos then I would be fully behind rehab. But I have a feeling they are too far gone. If we can't rehab them then we need to incarcerate them for longer without parole
I'm not in favour of the death penalty"
Have I not already explained that large numbers of them aren't 'brainwashed psychos'. |
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Should any criminal be released unless they have been rehabilitated? Problem is that holding even just these terrorists will require far more resources in prisons, prison staff, probation services, police and secret service. These are areas where our "party of Law and Order" Government of the past 10 years or so have actually made cuts.
Thus in the short term if you are going to hold people convicted of terrorism offences you will have to make space by releasing other prisoners early. In the long term there will need to be a lot of money spent. It means building better prisons, recruiting and keeping staff and such things won't happen in a few weeks, months or even years. Given the tory penchant for short term soundbite policies I can't see it happening. Add to this the probability of the economy stagnating due to Brexit and will there even be the money available without very unpopular cuts elsewhere.
There are no simple solutions. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We just execute them over here."
Im going to take it by "here" you mean the US. You executed 25 prisoners in 2018. Thats a tiny tiny tiny percentage compared to the actual prison population in the US(which is a for profit system). The average time somebody is even on Death row before execution is 15 and a half years. Currently the main reason prisoners even leave Death Row isnt even execution but because of there convictions being overturned.
It actually costs more to execute people than hold them for life |
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"If they have been convicted of terrorism why should the British system have to pay for there upkeep in prison execute them job done martyrs or not "
All the evidence says this not only won't work, but will lead to more terrorism. |
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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago
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If they have foreign or dual nationality they should be immediately deported as soon as radicalised behaviour is identified. No further questions asked. If they are a full british citizen by right the harshest measures should be applied in keeping them permanently isolated from the rest of society...including no contact with other Islamists in prison. Radicalism feeds off of radicalism in jail. Evidence is clear that these fanatics are beyond redemption or rehabilitation. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If they have foreign or dual nationality they should be immediately deported as soon as radicalised behaviour is identified. No further questions asked. If they are a full british citizen by right the harshest measures should be applied in keeping them permanently isolated from the rest of society...including no contact with other Islamists in prison. Radicalism feeds off of radicalism in jail. Evidence is clear that these fanatics are beyond redemption or rehabilitation."
Where did you get the impression that all the suspected terrorists arrested in this country are Islamic?
Also, where is your clear evidence that these 'fanatics' are beyond redemption or rehabilitation? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We just execute them over here.
Are you talking about the USA which has a massive prison population and murder and serious crime rates that are off the scale. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If they have been convicted of terrorism why should the British system have to pay for there upkeep in prison execute them job done martyrs or not
All the evidence says this not only won't work, but will lead to more terrorism. "
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"We just execute them over here.
Im going to take it by "here" you mean the US. You executed 25 prisoners in 2018. Thats a tiny tiny tiny percentage compared to the actual prison population in the US(which is a for profit system). The average time somebody is even on Death row before execution is 15 and a half years. Currently the main reason prisoners even leave Death Row isnt even execution but because of there convictions being overturned.
It actually costs more to execute people than hold them for life"
No in Egypt! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If they have foreign or dual nationality they should be immediately deported as soon as radicalised behaviour is identified. No further questions asked. If they are a full british citizen by right the harshest measures should be applied in keeping them permanently isolated from the rest of society...including no contact with other Islamists in prison. Radicalism feeds off of radicalism in jail. Evidence is clear that these fanatics are beyond redemption or rehabilitation.
Where did you get the impression that all the suspected terrorists arrested in this country are Islamic?
Also, where is your clear evidence that these 'fanatics' are beyond redemption or rehabilitation?"
Police and security services have said that 13 Islamist-related and four extreme rightwing plots have been thwarted since March 2017.
The Metropolitan police deputy assistant commissioner, Dean Haydon, one of the most senior counter-terrorism officers in the country, said the fall in overall arrests did not reflect a change in the threat level and that the number of active investigations was at its highest level, with about 650 inquiries open.
“Demands upon counter-terrorism policing have increased by about a third since the start of 2017,” Haydon said.
A total of 100 people were brought to trial in England and Wales the year ending 30 June 2018, up 39% on the previous year.
Of those, 90 were convicted, marking the highest number of persons tried and the highest number of convictions since data collection began in 2009.
There were 218 persons in custody in Britain for terrorism-related offences, up 7% on the previous year.
Of those in custody, 82% were categorised as holding Islamist extremist views, a further 13% as holding far-right ideologies and 6% other ideologies.
Because most suspected terrorists are Islamic |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We just execute them over here.
Im going to take it by "here" you mean the US. You executed 25 prisoners in 2018. Thats a tiny tiny tiny percentage compared to the actual prison population in the US(which is a for profit system). The average time somebody is even on Death row before execution is 15 and a half years. Currently the main reason prisoners even leave Death Row isnt even execution but because of there convictions being overturned.
It actually costs more to execute people than hold them for life
No in Egypt!"
Well not to be horrible, but I would rather our system than yours. Atleast you didnt kill Maajid Nawaz.. Probably done more to help than all the executions...
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By (user no longer on site)
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Unfortunately many prisoners pass the simple psychological tests that are done to assess rehabilitation and many go on to reoffend with diabolical consequences and no come back happens ... not sure how people think that they will be rehabbed, just turn up to classes! Lack of resources and many better things lacking in need too! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If they have foreign or dual nationality they should be immediately deported as soon as radicalised behaviour is identified. No further questions asked. If they are a full british citizen by right the harshest measures should be applied in keeping them permanently isolated from the rest of society...including no contact with other Islamists in prison. Radicalism feeds off of radicalism in jail. Evidence is clear that these fanatics are beyond redemption or rehabilitation.
Where did you get the impression that all the suspected terrorists arrested in this country are Islamic?
Also, where is your clear evidence that these 'fanatics' are beyond redemption or rehabilitation?
Police and security services have said that 13 Islamist-related and four extreme rightwing plots have been thwarted since March 2017.
The Metropolitan police deputy assistant commissioner, Dean Haydon, one of the most senior counter-terrorism officers in the country, said the fall in overall arrests did not reflect a change in the threat level and that the number of active investigations was at its highest level, with about 650 inquiries open.
“Demands upon counter-terrorism policing have increased by about a third since the start of 2017,” Haydon said.
A total of 100 people were brought to trial in England and Wales the year ending 30 June 2018, up 39% on the previous year.
Of those, 90 were convicted, marking the highest number of persons tried and the highest number of convictions since data collection began in 2009.
There were 218 persons in custody in Britain for terrorism-related offences, up 7% on the previous year.
Of those in custody, 82% were categorised as holding Islamist extremist views, a further 13% as holding far-right ideologies and 6% other ideologies.
Because most suspected terrorists are Islamic"
Or because the focus has been predominantly on tackling Islamist fundamentalists.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We just execute them over here.
Im going to take it by "here" you mean the US. You executed 25 prisoners in 2018. Thats a tiny tiny tiny percentage compared to the actual prison population in the US(which is a for profit system). The average time somebody is even on Death row before execution is 15 and a half years. Currently the main reason prisoners even leave Death Row isnt even execution but because of there convictions being overturned.
It actually costs more to execute people than hold them for life
No in Egypt!
Well not to be horrible, but I would rather our system than yours. Atleast you didnt kill Maajid Nawaz.. Probably done more to help than all the executions...
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At least ?? Why would Egypt want to kill a good man? Maajid Nawaz
is doing good things.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If they have foreign or dual nationality they should be immediately deported as soon as radicalised behaviour is identified. No further questions asked. If they are a full british citizen by right the harshest measures should be applied in keeping them permanently isolated from the rest of society...including no contact with other Islamists in prison. Radicalism feeds off of radicalism in jail. Evidence is clear that these fanatics are beyond redemption or rehabilitation.
Where did you get the impression that all the suspected terrorists arrested in this country are Islamic?
Also, where is your clear evidence that these 'fanatics' are beyond redemption or rehabilitation?
Police and security services have said that 13 Islamist-related and four extreme rightwing plots have been thwarted since March 2017.
The Metropolitan police deputy assistant commissioner, Dean Haydon, one of the most senior counter-terrorism officers in the country, said the fall in overall arrests did not reflect a change in the threat level and that the number of active investigations was at its highest level, with about 650 inquiries open.
“Demands upon counter-terrorism policing have increased by about a third since the start of 2017,” Haydon said.
A total of 100 people were brought to trial in England and Wales the year ending 30 June 2018, up 39% on the previous year.
Of those, 90 were convicted, marking the highest number of persons tried and the highest number of convictions since data collection began in 2009.
There were 218 persons in custody in Britain for terrorism-related offences, up 7% on the previous year.
Of those in custody, 82% were categorised as holding Islamist extremist views, a further 13% as holding far-right ideologies and 6% other ideologies.
Because most suspected terrorists are Islamic
Or because the focus has been predominantly on tackling Islamist fundamentalists.
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And I wonder why that would be? 
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"We just execute them over here.
Im going to take it by "here" you mean the US. You executed 25 prisoners in 2018. Thats a tiny tiny tiny percentage compared to the actual prison population in the US(which is a for profit system). The average time somebody is even on Death row before execution is 15 and a half years. Currently the main reason prisoners even leave Death Row isnt even execution but because of there convictions being overturned.
It actually costs more to execute people than hold them for life
No in Egypt!"
Aaahhh, Egypt...
"The report also denounces that in mass trials, defendants are regularly sentenced to death on the basis of false accusations of terrorism linked to the exercise of fundamental rights such as freedom of assembly. In some cases, defendants are sentenced to death for deadly offences they have not committed. In others, people are sentenced to death on nebulous and non-lethal charges related to their "membership" in alleged terrorist organizations." |
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"If they have foreign or dual nationality they should be immediately deported as soon as radicalised behaviour is identified. No further questions asked. If they are a full british citizen by right the harshest measures should be applied in keeping them permanently isolated from the rest of society...including no contact with other Islamists in prison. Radicalism feeds off of radicalism in jail. Evidence is clear that these fanatics are beyond redemption or rehabilitation.
Where did you get the impression that all the suspected terrorists arrested in this country are Islamic?
Also, where is your clear evidence that these 'fanatics' are beyond redemption or rehabilitation?
Police and security services have said that 13 Islamist-related and four extreme rightwing plots have been thwarted since March 2017.
The Metropolitan police deputy assistant commissioner, Dean Haydon, one of the most senior counter-terrorism officers in the country, said the fall in overall arrests did not reflect a change in the threat level and that the number of active investigations was at its highest level, with about 650 inquiries open.
“Demands upon counter-terrorism policing have increased by about a third since the start of 2017,” Haydon said.
A total of 100 people were brought to trial in England and Wales the year ending 30 June 2018, up 39% on the previous year.
Of those, 90 were convicted, marking the highest number of persons tried and the highest number of convictions since data collection began in 2009.
There were 218 persons in custody in Britain for terrorism-related offences, up 7% on the previous year.
Of those in custody, 82% were categorised as holding Islamist extremist views, a further 13% as holding far-right ideologies and 6% other ideologies.
Because most suspected terrorists are Islamic
Or because the focus has been predominantly on tackling Islamist fundamentalists.
And I wonder why that would be?
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Because, in a lot of cases, their terror cells are far easier to infiltrate, and also far less sophisticated if the difference I've seen in the Islamic and far-right accused terrorists I've worked with are anything to go by.
As with the drugs analogy I made earlier, quick fixes are currently seen as more important than permanent fixes. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We just execute them over here.
Im going to take it by "here" you mean the US. You executed 25 prisoners in 2018. Thats a tiny tiny tiny percentage compared to the actual prison population in the US(which is a for profit system). The average time somebody is even on Death row before execution is 15 and a half years. Currently the main reason prisoners even leave Death Row isnt even execution but because of there convictions being overturned.
It actually costs more to execute people than hold them for life
No in Egypt!
Well not to be horrible, but I would rather our system than yours. Atleast you didnt kill Maajid Nawaz.. Probably done more to help than all the executions...
At least ?? Why would Egypt want to kill a good man? Maajid Nawaz
is doing good things.
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Indeed he is! You not aware he was sentenced to 5 years in Prison in Eygpt for being in Hizb ut-Tahrir? |
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"Unfortunately many prisoners pass the simple psychological tests that are done to assess rehabilitation and many go on to reoffend with diabolical consequences and no come back happens ... not sure how people think that they will be rehabbed, just turn up to classes! Lack of resources and many better things lacking in need too! "
You don't have to take any psychological tests, not prove yourself rehabilitated to enable yourself to be released from custody at the mid-point of your sentence.
Indeed the whole point of a sentence that includes an element of custody is that rehabilitation continues over the whole length of the sentence. However, a lack of resources means this doesn't take place at all in most cases (that's not to say that all offenders go on to re-offend though, despite the lack of resources available to them). |
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"If they have foreign or dual nationality they should be immediately deported as soon as radicalised behaviour is identified. No further questions asked. If they are a full british citizen by right the harshest measures should be applied in keeping them permanently isolated from the rest of society...including no contact with other Islamists in prison. Radicalism feeds off of radicalism in jail. Evidence is clear that these fanatics are beyond redemption or rehabilitation.
Where did you get the impression that all the suspected terrorists arrested in this country are Islamic?
Also, where is your clear evidence that these 'fanatics' are beyond redemption or rehabilitation?
Police and security services have said that 13 Islamist-related and four extreme rightwing plots have been thwarted since March 2017.
The Metropolitan police deputy assistant commissioner, Dean Haydon, one of the most senior counter-terrorism officers in the country, said the fall in overall arrests did not reflect a change in the threat level and that the number of active investigations was at its highest level, with about 650 inquiries open.
“Demands upon counter-terrorism policing have increased by about a third since the start of 2017,” Haydon said.
A total of 100 people were brought to trial in England and Wales the year ending 30 June 2018, up 39% on the previous year.
Of those, 90 were convicted, marking the highest number of persons tried and the highest number of convictions since data collection began in 2009.
There were 218 persons in custody in Britain for terrorism-related offences, up 7% on the previous year.
Of those in custody, 82% were categorised as holding Islamist extremist views, a further 13% as holding far-right ideologies and 6% other ideologies.
Because most suspected terrorists are Islamic
Or because the focus has been predominantly on tackling Islamist fundamentalists.
And I wonder why that would be?
Because, in a lot of cases, their terror cells are far easier to infiltrate, and also far less sophisticated if the difference I've seen in the Islamic and far-right accused terrorists I've worked with are anything to go by.
As with the drugs analogy I made earlier, quick fixes are currently seen as more important than permanent fixes."
Less sophisticated doesnt mean easier to beat though. Afghanistan shows that. How many right wing terrorist groups are currently the size and scale of ISIS or Boko Haram? People here are hardly going off to join Right wing militias are they? They are joining Islamic or communist fighting groups like the YPG or PKK, go on Youtube or Funkers lots of gopro videos from westerners fighting with these groups (against ISIS I might add) Right wing terrorism is on the rise over the last 4 years thats correct, not exactly hard to see why though is it... Still the highest Death count for a domestic terrorist is Timothy McVeigh’s bombing in Oklahoma at 168 people. Now compare that to islamic terrorism... |
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Far Right terrorism is far more relevant at the moment ... the problem is that Far Right extremists don’t read as well in the Daily Mail as Islamic. Tommy Robinson is held by some as an absolute martyr by some although he is part of the issue of separatism in this country. Hate breeds Hate. And a majority of those that get radicalised in either form are done so whilst vulnerable. If you don’t think Far Right radicalise others in the same way is naive. |
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"If they have foreign or dual nationality they should be immediately deported as soon as radicalised behaviour is identified. No further questions asked. If they are a full british citizen by right the harshest measures should be applied in keeping them permanently isolated from the rest of society...including no contact with other Islamists in prison. Radicalism feeds off of radicalism in jail. Evidence is clear that these fanatics are beyond redemption or rehabilitation.
Where did you get the impression that all the suspected terrorists arrested in this country are Islamic?
Also, where is your clear evidence that these 'fanatics' are beyond redemption or rehabilitation?
Police and security services have said that 13 Islamist-related and four extreme rightwing plots have been thwarted since March 2017.
The Metropolitan police deputy assistant commissioner, Dean Haydon, one of the most senior counter-terrorism officers in the country, said the fall in overall arrests did not reflect a change in the threat level and that the number of active investigations was at its highest level, with about 650 inquiries open.
“Demands upon counter-terrorism policing have increased by about a third since the start of 2017,” Haydon said.
A total of 100 people were brought to trial in England and Wales the year ending 30 June 2018, up 39% on the previous year.
Of those, 90 were convicted, marking the highest number of persons tried and the highest number of convictions since data collection began in 2009.
There were 218 persons in custody in Britain for terrorism-related offences, up 7% on the previous year.
Of those in custody, 82% were categorised as holding Islamist extremist views, a further 13% as holding far-right ideologies and 6% other ideologies.
Because most suspected terrorists are Islamic
Or because the focus has been predominantly on tackling Islamist fundamentalists.
And I wonder why that would be?
Because, in a lot of cases, their terror cells are far easier to infiltrate, and also far less sophisticated if the difference I've seen in the Islamic and far-right accused terrorists I've worked with are anything to go by.
As with the drugs analogy I made earlier, quick fixes are currently seen as more important than permanent fixes.
Less sophisticated doesnt mean easier to beat though. Afghanistan shows that. How many right wing terrorist groups are currently the size and scale of ISIS or Boko Haram? People here are hardly going off to join Right wing militias are they? They are joining Islamic or communist fighting groups like the YPG or PKK, go on Youtube or Funkers lots of gopro videos from westerners fighting with these groups (against ISIS I might add) Right wing terrorism is on the rise over the last 4 years thats correct, not exactly hard to see why though is it... Still the highest Death count for a domestic terrorist is Timothy McVeigh’s bombing in Oklahoma at 168 people. Now compare that to islamic terrorism..."
An interesting report that attempts to examine both sides of the argument. Interesting that 'Separatist' incidents are far more prevalent that 'Jihadist' or 'Right-wing' ones in Europe and that in the US a third of terrorist incidents were 'Right-wing' while another third were where no ideology was known or it was obviously a non-political incident.
D Koehler- PDF -
Violence and Terrorism from the Far- Right - ICCT
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"We just execute them over here.
Im going to take it by "here" you mean the US. You executed 25 prisoners in 2018. Thats a tiny tiny tiny percentage compared to the actual prison population in the US(which is a for profit system). The average time somebody is even on Death row before execution is 15 and a half years. Currently the main reason prisoners even leave Death Row isnt even execution but because of there convictions being overturned.
It actually costs more to execute people than hold them for life
No in Egypt!
Well not to be horrible, but I would rather our system than yours. Atleast you didnt kill Maajid Nawaz.. Probably done more to help than all the executions...
At least ?? Why would Egypt want to kill a good man? Maajid Nawaz
is doing good things.
Indeed he is! You not aware he was sentenced to 5 years in Prison in Eygpt for being in Hizb ut-Tahrir?"
Ummmm if I remember he was a foreigner belonging to an extremist Islamic party practicing in my country.
A party that was banned by the government.
He changed his views didn't he.
That's why he does what he does now because he understands the process of radicalisation.
Anyway it's going of the thread.
Anyway we execute terrorsts it's our way, not acceptable in the uk I know thats what we do though.
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"We just execute them over here.
Im going to take it by "here" you mean the US. You executed 25 prisoners in 2018. Thats a tiny tiny tiny percentage compared to the actual prison population in the US(which is a for profit system). The average time somebody is even on Death row before execution is 15 and a half years. Currently the main reason prisoners even leave Death Row isnt even execution but because of there convictions being overturned.
It actually costs more to execute people than hold them for life
No in Egypt!
Well not to be horrible, but I would rather our system than yours. Atleast you didnt kill Maajid Nawaz.. Probably done more to help than all the executions...
At least ?? Why would Egypt want to kill a good man? Maajid Nawaz
is doing good things.
Indeed he is! You not aware he was sentenced to 5 years in Prison in Eygpt for being in Hizb ut-Tahrir?
Ummmm if I remember he was a foreigner belonging to an extremist Islamic party practicing in my country.
A party that was banned by the government.
He changed his views didn't he.
That's why he does what he does now because he understands the process of radicalisation.
Anyway it's going of the thread.
Anyway we execute terrorsts it's our way, not acceptable in the uk I know thats what we do though.
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Yeah he was. More my point if you had executed him he wouldnt be doing the work he does today. Could argue though that he was never put on trial he might of gone down a different path though |
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"If they have been convicted of terrorism why should the British system have to pay for there upkeep in prison execute them job done martyrs or not "
If you support the death penalty then you have to be willing to accept that you or someone you love might have to face it after a miscarriage of justice.
I’d rather see a guilty man walk free than an innocent man put to death. |
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"Far Right terrorism is far more relevant at the moment ... the problem is that Far Right extremists don’t read as well in the Daily Mail as Islamic. Tommy Robinson is held by some as an absolute martyr by some although he is part of the issue of separatism in this country. Hate breeds Hate. And a majority of those that get radicalised in either form are done so whilst vulnerable. If you don’t think Far Right radicalise others in the same way is naive. "
Agreed. Yaxley-Lennon and the far right need Islamic extremism as much as Islamic extremists need Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk. They’re symbiotic. |
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"If they have been convicted of terrorism why should the British system have to pay for there upkeep in prison execute them job done martyrs or not
If you support the death penalty then you have to be willing to accept that you or someone you love might have to face it after a miscarriage of justice.
I’d rather see a guilty man walk free than an innocent man put to death. "
When I was at uni, we once debated the death penalty with a number of prisoners in an HMP. Prior to the debate, the large majority (probably 9 out of 10) were in favour of bringing it back. Post-debate it was less that 1 in 10 in favour. An interesting afternoon! |
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"Far Right terrorism is far more relevant at the moment ... the problem is that Far Right extremists don’t read as well in the Daily Mail as Islamic. Tommy Robinson is held by some as an absolute martyr by some although he is part of the issue of separatism in this country. Hate breeds Hate. And a majority of those that get radicalised in either form are done so whilst vulnerable. If you don’t think Far Right radicalise others in the same way is naive.
Agreed. Yaxley-Lennon and the far right need Islamic extremism as much as Islamic extremists need Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk. They’re symbiotic."
Two cheeks of the same arse. |
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"After the weekends events, should convicted terrorists be released back into the public domain without going through rehabilitation ??"
Can they ever be rehabilitated ??...Maybe if the the punishment was a lot stronger fewer would contemplate doing wrong....until then we will see more & more of these terrible incidents ...not good !!!
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"After the weekends events, should convicted terrorists be released back into the public domain without going through rehabilitation ??Can they ever be rehabilitated ??...Maybe if the the punishment was a lot stronger fewer would contemplate doing wrong....until then we will see more & more of these terrible incidents ...not good !!!"
Anyone can be rehabilitated, except perhaps for those for whom extremism is caused by a mental illness.
But rehabilitation requires effort, time, manpower and money. It’s far easier and cheaper for private companies to lock people away for 23 hours per day. |
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"After the weekends events, should convicted terrorists be released back into the public domain without going through rehabilitation ??Can they ever be rehabilitated ??...Maybe if the the punishment was a lot stronger fewer would contemplate doing wrong....until then we will see more & more of these terrible incidents ...not good !!!"
Sweden has the softest prison system in the world, barely any crime and virtually no recidivism.
America has the most prisoners/capita than any first-world country, a punitive sentencing system, a massive crime problem and a huge percentage of recidivism.
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A prison sentence should generally mean that the person requires rehabilitation service, in addition to losing some liberty. If we don't provide it, or it's inadequate, then the responsibility rests on society and the government. |
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I think back 120 yrs ago this sort of thing would have ended up as a death sentence and we would all argue this is inhuman, yet he was freed after completing a minimal sentence and tried to kill innocent by standards..
So as much as I don’t agree with capital punishment, I’d there a case for it when there is no doubt about the crime and conviction??
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"I think back 120 yrs ago this sort of thing would have ended up as a death sentence and we would all argue this is inhuman, yet he was freed after completing a minimal sentence and tried to kill innocent by standards..
So as much as I don’t agree with capital punishment, I’d there a case for it when there is no doubt about the crime and conviction??
Just asking"
Hang em high... |
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