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I'm not racist

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I want to make that clear before i continue.

Have you noticed that in television adverts that depict couples it seems to be that in every second one the couple is mixed race. Given that this is such a tiny demographic (2018 figures show that only 7% of all couples were mixed race) one has to wonder why they're so commonly represented in this way.

Could this be social conditioning or simply the advertisers cynical attempt to make their products appear more inclusive?

Again, before i get shot down in flames, i know it's not that important and it certainly doesn't bother me. I just find it interesting.

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By *oppolocosTV/TS over a year ago

inverurie

Some would say that the fact you even notice is a sign you do have some racist tendencies.

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

Because if an advert had no white people, white people would lose their shit so they can't have them both be POC

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some would say that the fact you even notice is a sign you do have some racist tendencies."
what

so because u notice obvious details you have WHAT wow this world fucked

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By *crumdiddlyumptiousMan over a year ago

Its probably because most adverts were predominantly white people a few years ago, There might only be a small percentage of none white people in the UK they where underrepresented on TV in the media etc

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think it's probably called marketing.

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By *est Wales WifeCouple over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

Have you noticed that in television adverts "

You actually watch television adverts?

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By *elshkinkyMan over a year ago

south wales

I’d suggest it’s to do with making minorities feel included where historically they have felt excluded. That’s why so much work is being done in recruitment from minority groups... we won’t get it right until we don’t notice it or need to specifically recruit from any groups

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Have you noticed that in television adverts

You actually watch television adverts? "

I know.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sure if you look on the BBC they made it the rule that every new show must have at least one none white person.And in most of any new retelling of a story. They have turned white people black and changed their sex.

It's called being PC .

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By *adeiteWoman over a year ago

Staffordshire

"Because if an advert had no white people, white people would lose their shit so they can't have them both be POC

Perhaps he things there should be much more representation on tb adverts instead

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By *adeiteWoman over a year ago

Staffordshire

Thinks*

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By *arlomaleMan over a year ago

darlington

As soon as you say I’m not racist or no offence but

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Because if an advert had no white people, white people would lose their shit so they can't have them both be POC

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As others have said " why do you have to make it clear your not a racist ? "

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

"Because if an advert had no white people, white people would lose their shit so they can't have them both be POC

Perhaps he things there should be much more representation on tb adverts instead "

What the OP thinks wasn't the question though. I'm sure he knows what he thinks already

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By *inky_CarpenterMan over a year ago

Portsmouth

Why is that phrase almost always followed with .......But......

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"As others have said " why do you have to make it clear your not a racist ? " "

Because i don't want to have to take shit from posters who insist on reading something into a post that isn't there. And it detracts from the actual question.

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By *arlomaleMan over a year ago

darlington

"As others have said " why do you have to make it clear your not a racist ? " "
I was waiting for the but I’ve got black Mates one

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"As others have said " why do you have to make it clear your not a racist ? " I was waiting for the but I’ve got black Mates one "

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By *arlomaleMan over a year ago

darlington

Even more controversial op adverts could have couples of the same sex imagine that

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By *oirinMarkusCouple over a year ago

West Midlands and West London

Advertisers just want the audience to see themselves represented. So you think the thing is for you so subconsciously you'll buy their shit.

Next question?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I want to make that clear before i continue.

Could this be social conditioning or simply the advertisers cynical attempt to make their products appear more inclusive?

Again, before i get shot down in flames, i know it's not that important and it certainly doesn't bother me. I just find it interesting."

Why do you find it interesting?

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By *ANDA2Couple over a year ago

Henley Arden

"Sure if you look on the BBC they made it the rule that every new show must have at least one none white person.And in most of any new retelling of a story. They have turned white people black and changed their sex.

It's called being PC ."

You mean the same way Hollywood and TV up-to the 1980s turned every story into White Caucasian.

Such as an American playing an Egyptian woman and a Welshman playing an Italian

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

Words to make me

and sigh ..."I'm not a racist but..."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's called being PC ."

It's called being inclusive and anti-oppresive

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What if someone openly admits to being racist on here, what happens then, do the forum openly attack him/her? Do they get banned from fab?

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By *arlomaleMan over a year ago

darlington

"What if someone openly admits to being racist on here, what happens then, do the forum openly attack him/her? Do they get banned from fab? "
would any one be that brave ?

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

It's called being PC ."

If you're going there...Let's add same sex, trans, women, disabled, elderly to the mix.

All groups are catered for now, which in my opinion spoils some programmes. Was watching a recent film where a woman, the size of Victoria Beckham was holding her own in a fight with Dwayne Johnson: ridiculous!

But hey...Let's just focus on race.

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By *nto My ArmsMan over a year ago

Herts/London

Because advertisers want to get more people to buy their product.

Perhaps their market share of straight, white, hetero couples has remained stable, but other demographics could be grown. It's cynical, not pc.

With the BBC, well, representation is important. Very.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’ve noticed this too OP and it’s just the company hedging their bets and covering a minority group or two.

And to clear. I have brown skin. I fucking hate it when people say, oh I didn’t even notice your colour. Wtf? Are you blind? Are you not fucking seeing me? I much rather people say I’m not not being racist but... then asking a question. That to me is trying to learn and include.

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"What if someone openly admits to being racist on here, what happens then, do the forum openly attack him/her? Do they get banned from fab? "

I rem_mber a couple proudly admitting to being racist. They went so far as looking at every verification from people who contacted them. If anyone had met a black person, or they had met someone who had met a black person, instant block.

Don't know what happened to them though.

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By *ervent_fervourMan over a year ago

Halifax

It's called being PC ."

Nah. THIS is defo of a prejudiced bent.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I want to make that clear before i continue.

Could this be social conditioning or simply the advertisers cynical attempt to make their products appear more inclusive?

Again, before i get shot down in flames, i know it's not that important and it certainly doesn't bother me. I just find it interesting.

Why do you find it interesting?"

The question of why this is, particularly when it would be far more accurate to depict couples that are the same race regardless of colour. As i said, it's a tiny demographic.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What if someone openly admits to being racist on here, what happens then, do the forum openly attack him/her? Do they get banned from fab? would any one be that brave ? "

In the main few are that stupid (interesting that you used brave) because most racists recognise that racism is vile and despite brexit empowering the right most people recognise that being openly racist unless surrounded by other racists gets the reaction it deserves. Not an "open attack" just being called out. So they hide behind it (because it's odd how people that inevitably claim to tell it how it is and dont care who it offends rarely actually see that through) and just stick to praising katie Hopkins or Tommy Robinson when their names get dragged on to the forums but still to cowardly to admit being a racist and wont actually say what it is they like about well know racists.

And back on topic I didn't think that the OP was being overtly racist more just another 'PC gone mad' rant without recognizing that that inevitably comes with an element of casual racism

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I want to make that clear before i continue.

Could this be social conditioning or simply the advertisers cynical attempt to make their products appear more inclusive?

Again, before i get shot down in flames, i know it's not that important and it certainly doesn't bother me. I just find it interesting.

Why do you find it interesting?

The question of why this is, particularly when it would be far more accurate to depict couples that are the same race regardless of colour. As i said, it's a tiny demographic."

One in 12 is not a tiny demographic though is it?

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By *tephTV67TV/TS over a year ago

Cheshire

"What if someone openly admits to being racist on here, what happens then, do the forum openly attack him/her? Do they get banned from

fab? would any one be that brave ? "

Nothing courageous in being racist or expressing those views.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What if someone openly admits to being racist on here, what happens then, do the forum openly attack him/her? Do they get banned from

fab? would any one be that brave ?

Nothing courageous in being racist or expressing those views. "

He didn't say there was, he said they would be brave to openly admit it on here

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By * and R cple4Couple over a year ago

swansea

"Some would say that the fact you even notice is a sign you do have some racist tendencies.what

so because u notice obvious details you have WHAT wow this world fucked

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I want to make that clear before i continue.

Could this be social conditioning or simply the advertisers cynical attempt to make their products appear more inclusive?

Again, before i get shot down in flames, i know it's not that important and it certainly doesn't bother me. I just find it interesting.

Why do you find it interesting?

The question of why this is, particularly when it would be far more accurate to depict couples that are the same race regardless of colour. As i said, it's a tiny demographic.

One in 12 is not a tiny demographic though is it?"

Perhaps not but it's being depicted as though it's nearer 50/50. I was just eondering why.

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By *arlomaleMan over a year ago

darlington

"What if someone openly admits to being racist on here, what happens then, do the forum openly attack him/her? Do they get banned from

fab? would any one be that brave ?

Nothing courageous in being racist or expressing those views. "
my point was to admit it on a open forums perhaps used the wrong word maybe stupid I should of used

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By *tephTV67TV/TS over a year ago

Cheshire

"What if someone openly admits to being racist on here, what happens then, do the forum openly attack him/her? Do they get banned from

fab? would any one be that brave ?

Nothing courageous in being racist or expressing those views.

He didn't say there was, he said they would be brave to openly admit it on here"

The word ‘brave’ could’ve been changed to stupid or ignorant a few others I could think of. Use brave and I’ll call you out on it

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By *tephTV67TV/TS over a year ago

Cheshire

"What if someone openly admits to being racist on here, what happens then, do the forum openly attack him/her? Do they get banned from

fab? would any one be that brave ?

Nothing courageous in being racist or expressing those views. my point was to admit it on a open forums perhaps used the wrong word maybe stupid I should of used "

Agree

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I’ve noticed this too OP and it’s just the company hedging their bets and covering a minority group or two.

That's what i was getting at. There is no 'but' in my op because there's nothing overtly or covertly racist in it. It's nothing more than social commentary.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Even more controversial op adverts could have couples of the same sex imagine that

i am sure one of the car ads at the moment is a same sex female couple...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I want to make that clear before i continue.

Could this be social conditioning or simply the advertisers cynical attempt to make their products appear more inclusive?

Again, before i get shot down in flames, i know it's not that important and it certainly doesn't bother me. I just find it interesting."

"The advertisers cynical attempt to make their products appear more inclusive?"

This is the right answer. We have an online mob fighting about why the Friends series or Harry Potter didn't have diversity in major characters. You see the advertiser's point.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Even more controversial op adverts could have couples of the same sex imagine that

That would be wrong its bad enough every other advert on channel 4 is 2 guys kissing

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"What if someone openly admits to being racist on here, what happens then, do the forum openly attack him/her? Do they get banned from fab?

Don't know what happened to them though.

i think they left when i shattered their dreams by telling them some of their friends were not as "pure" as they thought!

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By *iamond coupleCouple over a year ago

leeds

"I’d suggest it’s to do with making minorities feel included where historically they have felt excluded. That’s why so much work is being done in recruitment from minority groups... we won’t get it right until we don’t notice it or need to specifically recruit from any groups "
. Surly this in itself is racist? I would employ the best person for the job, no matter what their colour, religion or sex

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By *hickennchipsWoman over a year ago

up above the streets and houses

I’m glad to say I’ve not even noticed? Maybe that’s because I’m open minded and am used to seeing people from all sorts of races, cultures and backgrounds?

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By *rHotNottsMan over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"Could this be social conditioning or simply the advertisers cynical attempt to make their products appear more inclusive."

It’s neither. It’s to counter stereotypes in under represented demographic.

I worked on some stuff to promote welding in 14-19 education and the advent used an attractive and interesting looking black female. Everyone said how PC because all the data from colleges shows it’s only thick white boys who study it. Well why is that black girls don’t feel like they can become a welder ? The advert is to challenge the stereotype

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I’d suggest it’s to do with making minorities feel included where historically they have felt excluded. That’s why so much work is being done in recruitment from minority groups... we won’t get it right until we don’t notice it or need to specifically recruit from any groups . Surly this in itself is racist? I would employ the best person for the job, no matter what their colour, religion or sex"

It seems we just can't win.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some would say that the fact you even notice is a sign you do have some racist tendencies."

I think this post here sums up the lack of tolerance and understanding of any kind of potentially useful dialogue regarding race and equality. The poster instantly jumps straight to a thinly veiled accusation of racism without discussion and with no knowledge of the poster he's responding to. Dialogue and discussion lead to tolerance, not unfounded and unwarranted accusations.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What if someone openly admits to being racist on here, what happens then, do the forum openly attack him/her? Do they get banned from fab?

Don't know what happened to them though.

i think they left when i shattered their dreams by telling them some of their friends were not as "pure" as they thought!

Haha, you rock!

I see this as a defence mechanism, I see other people do it too. You make yourself look and sound so thick, ignorant and nasty that no right minded person would even talk to you. Then you don't have to face people rejecting you because you can tell yourself it's because you deliberately set out to put them off. It's the only explanation I can think of for the way I've seen people present themselves. Nothing else makes any sense.

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple over a year ago

Birmingham

As SJW as it sounds, it's rarely upto the individual to decide if they're racist themselves or not...

But yes I do agree with you, there's a massive amount of casting by diversity equations and spreadsheets recently. Tends to stick out a little too much. Hopefully these things can become coarser, averaging out over hours of TV rather than seconds.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some would say that the fact you even notice is a sign you do have some racist tendencies.

Without wanting to jump on the post i do think you're right and this kind of thing is unhelpful and divisive. Discussion is more useful than judgment.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Some would say that the fact you even notice is a sign you do have some racist tendencies."

I totally disagree. That's just like saying that anyone who used the word banana has a hidden dislike of bananas.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some would say that the fact you even notice is a sign you do have some racist tendencies.

I totally disagree. That's just like saying that anyone who used the word banana has a hidden dislike of bananas."

Woooaaaaa don't you dare bring bananas into this

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple over a year ago

Birmingham

"What if someone openly admits to being racist on here, what happens then, do the forum openly attack him/her? Do they get banned from fab? would any one be that brave ?

And back on topic I didn't think that the OP was being overtly racist more just another 'PC gone mad' rant without recognizing that that inevitably comes with an element of casual racism

Fricking love these comments. So firmly in a thoughtful, intelligent place than a knee jerk in any direction.

Hmm yes Katie Hopkins. I was the one sitting on the naughty step last week for replying to some suggesting Hopkins "just says what we're all thinking"!

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By *he Little Fuck MachineMan over a year ago

Co.Antrim

Demographics change. Culture and Society inevitably change also.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Some would say that the fact you even notice is a sign you do have some racist tendencies.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Some would say that the fact you even notice is a sign you do have some racist tendencies.

I totally disagree. That's just like saying that anyone who used the word banana has a hidden dislike of bananas.

Woooaaaaa don't you dare bring bananas into this"

Is this the ten minute argument or the full half hour ?

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By *ervent_fervourMan over a year ago

Halifax

"I’d suggest it’s to do with making minorities feel included where historically they have felt excluded. That’s why so much work is being done in recruitment from minority groups... we won’t get it right until we don’t notice it or need to specifically recruit from any groups . Surly this in itself is racist? I would employ the best person for the job, no matter what their colour, religion or sex"

Arguably, if you disagree with positive discrimination. Bit hard to feel equal if all represe rations you see on telly /in management at work are white.

84 % of the pop is white. So one in seven is non white. About time race shouldn't be an issue.

And documented racism has increased 50% since 2016.

Wonder why..

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By *hickennchipsWoman over a year ago

up above the streets and houses

"What if someone openly admits to being racist on here, what happens then, do the forum openly attack him/her? Do they get banned from fab? would any one be that brave ?

And back on topic I didn't think that the OP was being overtly racist more just another 'PC gone mad' rant without recognizing that that inevitably comes with an element of casual racism

Fricking love these comments. So firmly in a thoughtful, intelligent place than a knee jerk in any direction.

Hmm yes Katie Hopkins. I was the one sitting on the naughty step last week for replying to some suggesting Hopkins "just says what we're all thinking"! "

She makes many valid points to be fair

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By *ervent_fervourMan over a year ago

Halifax

"Some would say that the fact you even notice is a sign you do have some racist tendencies.

I totally disagree. That's just like saying that anyone who used the word banana has a hidden dislike of bananas.

Woooaaaaa don't you dare bring bananas into this

Is this the ten minute argument or the full half hour ?"

Ooh. Bendy bananas? Racism AND homophobia..!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some would say that the fact you even notice is a sign you do have some racist tendencies.

I totally disagree. That's just like saying that anyone who used the word banana has a hidden dislike of bananas.

Woooaaaaa don't you dare bring bananas into this"

Yes! Let's have no bananas... Let's have no bananas today!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Dear White People,

It pisses me off intensely when you get offended on my behalf on a subject that I, and most other black people, don't give a shit about. I have many other things to fill my life - your misplaced "right-on-ism" is of no use to me and you portray my race as petty and pedantic. Please think carefully before defending the colour of my skin. Get it wrong, and it's probably more offensive to my race than the original comment. Like many of the posts above.

Thank you.

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By *arlomaleMan over a year ago

darlington

"Dear White People,

Thank you. "
so if you’re not black you can’t have a say

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"What if someone openly admits to being racist on here, what happens then, do the forum openly attack him/her? Do they get banned from fab?

Don't know what happened to them though.

i think they left when i shattered their dreams by telling them some of their friends were not as "pure" as they thought!

That was a "fun" day on the forums.

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By *elshkinkyMan over a year ago

south wales

"I’d suggest it’s to do with making minorities feel included where historically they have felt excluded. That’s why so much work is being done in recruitment from minority groups... we won’t get it right until we don’t notice it or need to specifically recruit from any groups . Surly this in itself is racist? I would employ the best person for the job, no matter what their colour, religion or sex"

Positive action is not racist, positve discrimination is... positive action is giving minorities the skills and abilities to provide them with the best opportunity to get the job... positive discrimination is giving them the job based on their minority status

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

I'm sure it's typically to ensure that they hit their predominant target purchasers or purchase influencers, in the easiest ways.

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple over a year ago

Birmingham

"Dear White People,

Thank you. "

Your behalf? you're an individual, no one is defending you as a single person, go nuts with your personal views and people trying to care about others will continue to do so.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some would say that the fact you even notice is a sign you do have some racist tendencies.

I totally disagree. That's just like saying that anyone who used the word banana has a hidden dislike of bananas.

Woooaaaaa don't you dare bring bananas into this

Yes! Let's have no bananas... Let's have no bananas today!

Iv already had one, not up my bottom BTW

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Dear White People,

Thank you. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some would say that the fact you even notice is a sign you do have some racist tendencies.

I totally disagree. That's just like saying that anyone who used the word banana has a hidden dislike of bananas.

Woooaaaaa don't you dare bring bananas into this

Yes! Let's have no bananas... Let's have no bananas today!

Iv already had one, not up my bottom BTW "

Did you know that bananas like the climate of a very, very tropical equator. So you should never put bananas in the refrigerator.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some would say that the fact you even notice is a sign you do have some racist tendencies.

I totally disagree. That's just like saying that anyone who used the word banana has a hidden dislike of bananas.

Woooaaaaa don't you dare bring bananas into this

Yes! Let's have no bananas... Let's have no bananas today!

Iv already had one, not up my bottom BTW

Did you know that bananas like the climate of a very, very tropical equator. So you should never put bananas in the refrigerator.

I haven't got a refrigerator or any bananas now,I have an advacado, shall I put that in?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"Even more controversial op adverts could have couples of the same sex imagine that

That would be wrong its bad enough every other advert on channel 4 is 2 guys kissing "

Why are adverts showing 2 men kissing bad?

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By *innie The MinxWoman over a year ago

Under the Duvet

"I want to make that clear before i continue.

Could this be social conditioning or simply the advertisers cynical attempt to make their products appear more inclusive?

Again, before i get shot down in flames, i know it's not that important and it certainly doesn't bother me. I just find it interesting."

It's because they want our money, simple as.

In the olden days when I was a kid growing up TV advertising was a sea of white faces.

No one was interested in courting the black (or pink) pound.

Now we are in a recession every sale counts and they want our dollar.

Still rare to see an Indian or Chinese face represented tho.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dear White People,

Thank you.

Your behalf? you're an individual, no one is defending you as a single person, go nuts with your personal views and people trying to care about others will continue to do so."

Thanks for that response. You demonstrate quite clearly how little you actually care about black peoples' feelings in comparison to your own narcissistic needs. I've always said, if you want a black person's opinion, ask a white person. They have always felt that they know best.

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple over a year ago

Birmingham

"Dear White People,

It pisses me off intensely when you get offended on my behalf ...

I don't think i'm who they're pointing fingers at, but the implication seems to be the opposite of trying to think of people different to you... Should you not try and speak and act in a way that you earnestly believe is in the interests of people different to you as well as similar to you?

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out..."

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"Dear White People,

Thank you. "

My other half is white.

He'll often ask "is such and such offensive? It was being discussed on lbc today..."

My response is pretty much along similar lines: God save us from well meaning white people. Thing is certain white people get offended on behalf of minorities. Offended over things we really don't give a shit about. Conversely, we then get the flack for being over sensitive with chips on our shoulders when we've not uttered a word.

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple over a year ago

Birmingham

"Thanks for that response. You demonstrate quite clearly how little you actually care about black peoples' feelings in comparison to your own narcissistic needs. I've always said, if you want a black person's opinion, ask a white person. They have always felt that they know best."
Oh no no, you seem to just be doing the exact opposite of what you're complaining about, which is, therefore, pretty similar. I wouldn't dream for speaking on behalf of my entire demographic (or any one of the hundreds I could be said to be part of) yet you seem happy to do so for yours?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Dear White People,

Thank you.

Your behalf? you're an individual, no one is defending you as a single person, go nuts with your personal views and people trying to care about others will continue to do so.

I'd actually value your opinion but you've already said you don't give a shit.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dear White People,

Thank you.

Your behalf? you're an individual, no one is defending you as a single person, go nuts with your personal views and people trying to care about others will continue to do so.

I think you're being a bit unfair. You claimed yourself to speak for most black people. Don't do that. I haven't seen anything on this thread like you describe and I don't like the kind of self important virtue signalling you're talking about any more than you do. It's patronising and glib. But I don't see any of that here, just people trying to move things on. And... Not every victim of racism has black skin. I get what you're saying but I think you're seeing it where it doesn't exist is all.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dear White People,

It pisses me off intensely when you get offended on my behalf ...

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out...""

You do know that verse was written by a Nazi don't you? It's meaning is quite different to what you think it is.

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"Dear White People,

Thank you.

Your behalf? you're an individual, no one is defending you as a single person, go nuts with your personal views and people trying to care about others will continue to do so.

Just goes to show how we see things differently.

I didn't see his comment as aimed at anyone on this thread, just a general comment that I, and every black person I know has said, and variations of at one point.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thanks for that response. You demonstrate quite clearly how little you actually care about black peoples' feelings in comparison to your own narcissistic needs. I've always said, if you want a black person's opinion, ask a white person. They have always felt that they know best.Oh no no, you seem to just be doing the exact opposite of what you're complaining about, which is, therefore, pretty similar. I wouldn't dream for speaking on behalf of my entire demographic (or any one of the hundreds I could be said to be part of) yet you seem happy to do so for yours?"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dear White People,

Thank you.

Your behalf? you're an individual, no one is defending you as a single person, go nuts with your personal views and people trying to care about others will continue to do so.

Just goes to show how we see things differently.

I didn't see his comment as aimed at anyone on this thread, just a general comment that I, and every black person I know has said, and variations of at one point."

But it specifically mentions the posts on this thread.

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By *oupleforxtrafunCouple over a year ago

Nottingham

Don’t say anything about anyone as you will be a racist that’s just the way it is now

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Dear White People,

It pisses me off intensely when you get offended on my behalf ...

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out..."

You do know that verse was written by a Nazi don't you? It's meaning is quite different to what you think it is."

Read your history. He was NOT a Nazi. Very much the opposite.

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By *arlomaleMan over a year ago

darlington

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Dear White People,

It pisses me off intensely when you get offended on my behalf ...

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out..."

You do know that verse was written by a Nazi don't you? It's meaning is quite different to what you think it is.

Read your history. He was NOT a Nazi. Very much the opposite. "

He was a man who made a mistake and realised it and atoned for it and also suffered terribly for it, he was imprisoned in Auschwitz and Dachau. People make mistakes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thanks for that response. You demonstrate quite clearly how little you actually care about black peoples' feelings in comparison to your own narcissistic needs. I've always said, if you want a black person's opinion, ask a white person. They have always felt that they know best.Oh no no, you seem to just be doing the exact opposite of what you're complaining about, which is, therefore, pretty similar. I wouldn't dream for speaking on behalf of my entire demographic (or any one of the hundreds I could be said to be part of) yet you seem happy to do so for yours?

How many black people saying a similar thing would it take to convince you? Google "white people being offended on behalf of black people" and read some of the results. Maybe it will have an effect on you, maybe it won't, but to be honest, I doubt you will read any. is it not a good thing that us pinky people do get offended? Perhaps if we didn’t us whities would probably still be watching the likes of Bernard manning and reruns of Alf garnett "

Hang on, Bernard Manning yes but Alf Garnett, no. That was a satire, you weren't meant to agree with him

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By *hickennchipsWoman over a year ago

up above the streets and houses

Wow. What a horrible ignorant thread

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By *agneto.Man over a year ago

Bham

Have noticed and said exactly the same thing myself. I'm mixed race and even I find it a bit pandering and virtue signalling.

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple over a year ago

Birmingham

"How many black people saying a similar thing would it take to convince you? Google "white people being offended on behalf of black people" and read some of the results. Maybe it will have an effect on you, maybe it won't, but to be honest, I doubt you will read any. "

Tbh I think you're talking back to the wrong person. I try and stay very much in the intelligent middle ground and have plenty of arguments with stupid ultra left idiots with purple hair about their bizarre view they adopted from a badly printed flyer on the issues I think your talking about. I reckon we'd probably agree here ultimately.

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By *arlomaleMan over a year ago

darlington

"Thanks for that response. You demonstrate quite clearly how little you actually care about black peoples' feelings in comparison to your own narcissistic needs. I've always said, if you want a black person's opinion, ask a white person. They have always felt that they know best.Oh no no, you seem to just be doing the exact opposite of what you're complaining about, which is, therefore, pretty similar. I wouldn't dream for speaking on behalf of my entire demographic (or any one of the hundreds I could be said to be part of) yet you seem happy to do so for yours?

Hang on, Bernard Manning yes but Alf Garnett, no. That was a satire, you weren't meant to agree with him

"
but some didn’t realise Alf was satire have you noticed it’s never been repeated on gold

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have noticed and said exactly the same thing myself. I'm mixed race and even I find it a bit pandering and virtue signalling. "

My partner has noticed it and thinks the same. Advertising has always been pretty insidious, I guess I just didn't take much notice. It's all just manipulation to make money.

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By *ud and BryanCouple over a year ago

Boston, Lincolnshire

To quote Avenue Q,

I think everyone's a little bit racist sometimes

Doesn't mean we go around committing hate crimes

Look around and you will find

No one's really color blind

Maybe it's a fact we all should face

Everyone makes judgments based on race.

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By *mmmMaybeCouple over a year ago

West Wales

You can break it down though, adverts are National if they were regional some tv areas would have very few black people in ads & in others they would not be the minority so the advertisers have to play it safe.

With regard to interracial couples in advertising I’d hazard a guess that some white middle class twat thinks they are being trendy & has their “Finger on the Pulse”....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thanks for that response. You demonstrate quite clearly how little you actually care about black peoples' feelings in comparison to your own narcissistic needs. I've always said, if you want a black person's opinion, ask a white person. They have always felt that they know best.Oh no no, you seem to just be doing the exact opposite of what you're complaining about, which is, therefore, pretty similar. I wouldn't dream for speaking on behalf of my entire demographic (or any one of the hundreds I could be said to be part of) yet you seem happy to do so for yours?

Hang on, Bernard Manning yes but Alf Garnett, no. That was a satire, you weren't meant to agree with him

but some didn’t realise Alf was satire have you noticed it’s never been repeated on gold "

Yes and you're right in that sense, same with It Ain't Half Hot, Mum. Different time.

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By *agneto.Man over a year ago

Bham

"Have noticed and said exactly the same thing myself. I'm mixed race and even I find it a bit pandering and virtue signalling.

My partner has noticed it and thinks the same. Advertising has always been pretty insidious, I guess I just didn't take much notice. It's all just manipulation to make money. "

Yeah that's true.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Wow. What a horrible ignorant thread

It's gone a bit off topic.

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By *hickennchipsWoman over a year ago

up above the streets and houses

"Wow. What a horrible ignorant thread

It's gone a bit off topic.

People do love to jump in and twist things in a manipulative way in order to argue and belittle. Shame. Puts lots off the forums

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What if someone openly admits to being racist on here, what happens then, do the forum openly attack him/her? Do they get banned from fab? would any one be that brave ?

And back on topic I didn't think that the OP was being overtly racist more just another 'PC gone mad' rant without recognizing that that inevitably comes with an element of casual racism

Fricking love these comments. So firmly in a thoughtful, intelligent place than a knee jerk in any direction.

Hmm yes Katie Hopkins. I was the one sitting on the naughty step last week for replying to some suggesting Hopkins "just says what we're all thinking"!

She makes many valid points to be fair

Which of katie hopkins opinions do you think are most valid?

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By *hickennchipsWoman over a year ago

up above the streets and houses

"What if someone openly admits to being racist on here, what happens then, do the forum openly attack him/her? Do they get banned from fab? would any one be that brave ?

And back on topic I didn't think that the OP was being overtly racist more just another 'PC gone mad' rant without recognizing that that inevitably comes with an element of casual racism

Fricking love these comments. So firmly in a thoughtful, intelligent place than a knee jerk in any direction.

Hmm yes Katie Hopkins. I was the one sitting on the naughty step last week for replying to some suggesting Hopkins "just says what we're all thinking"!

She makes many valid points to be fair

Which of katie hopkins opinions do you think are most valid?"

I’m not getting into this again

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By *ervent_fervourMan over a year ago

Halifax

"Dear White People,

Thank you. "

Yeah. To stand up to inequality is bad isn't it? There are 'one or two' non white people who seem to welcome support. So maybe don't presume to assume you know the thoughts and feelings of all?

MLK and Malcolm X sure had a few words to say.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thanks for that response. You demonstrate quite clearly how little you actually care about black peoples' feelings in comparison to your own narcissistic needs. I've always said, if you want a black person's opinion, ask a white person. They have always felt that they know best.Oh no no, you seem to just be doing the exact opposite of what you're complaining about, which is, therefore, pretty similar. I wouldn't dream for speaking on behalf of my entire demographic (or any one of the hundreds I could be said to be part of) yet you seem happy to do so for yours?

Hang on, Bernard Manning yes but Alf Garnett, no. That was a satire, you weren't meant to agree with him

but some didn’t realise Alf was satire have you noticed it’s never been repeated on gold "

Or love thy neighbour

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By *mmmMaybeCouple over a year ago

West Wales

"What if someone openly admits to being racist on here, what happens then, do the forum openly attack him/her? Do they get banned from fab? would any one be that brave ?

And back on topic I didn't think that the OP was being overtly racist more just another 'PC gone mad' rant without recognizing that that inevitably comes with an element of casual racism

Fricking love these comments. So firmly in a thoughtful, intelligent place than a knee jerk in any direction.

Hmm yes Katie Hopkins. I was the one sitting on the naughty step last week for replying to some suggesting Hopkins "just says what we're all thinking"!

She makes many valid points to be fair

Which of katie hopkins opinions do you think are most valid?"

Maybe her opinion on what type ofcoffin she wants?

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By *elvet RopeMan over a year ago

by the big field

Strange how the racial inclusion in many adverts and entertainment is black male/white female. I was quite surprised to see the advert for something like Zoopla, with a picture of a white male/black female banging on the wall of their new gaff as they got jiggy.

Don’t ever rem_mber seeing a couple with Indian and white or black....it’s as though the black male/white female is acceptable but the rest are still too taboo to entertain? So inclusive....but somehow still not!

All a bit silly really as I’m sat at work with 2 Jamaican guys, a Pakistani Muslim guy, a Sri-Lanken guy and a white girl with bright pink hair....with a age range of early 20’s to mid 60’s. Race/age/gender (or hair colour/lack of hair/body size etc) just isn’t an issue....apart from the occasional bit of work banter and good natured piss taking that every indulges in here. The guy I’ve just taken over from is a white Irish Brummie bloke with a Jewish Cypriot/Moroccan wife.

We’ve had lots of discussions over the years while sat round waiting for shit to happen and most people just want a hassle free existence- half the bloody hassle in the world seems to stem from the media trying to tell us how to be instead of actually taking notice of how many people actually interact together

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hang on, Bernard Manning yes but Alf Garnett, no. That was a satire, you weren't meant to agree with him

but some didn’t realise Alf was satire have you noticed it’s never been repeated on gold

Or love thy neighbour "

Not a chance, and Mind Your Language.

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By *ishandwantCouple over a year ago

Wellingborough

Have you noticed that in television adverts

You actually watch television adverts? "

Do you rem_mber a time when the adverts were as entertaining or more so than the actual programmes?

Sadly no more it seems.

A constant round of charity appeals, numerous lotteries run for the benefit of various charities, online casinos and betting sites and of course not forgetting the ever present DFS sale.

Bring back the Gold Blend couple, the Oxo family and the Milky Bar kid.

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By *ownwithafeatherMan over a year ago

Watford

Isn't this Flashdance?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Have you noticed that in television adverts

You actually watch television adverts?

Do you rem_mber a time when the adverts were as entertaining or more so than the actual programmes?

Sadly no more it seems.

A constant round of charity appeals, numerous lotteries run for the benefit of various charities, online casinos and betting sites and of course not forgetting the ever present DFS sale.

Bring back the Gold Blend couple, the Oxo family and the Milky Bar kid.

Linda Bellingham had very nice breasts. Apropos of nothing

I just wanted to think about boobs to cheer meself up

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By *mberWoman over a year ago

Preston

Not read all the replies but I would guess it's a way of appealing to as many of the target demographic as possible. Like Dove adverts have tall, short, fat, thin, white, black, able bodied, people with disabilities, blond, brown, ginger.......

It's to show that the product is suitable for all.

By having a mixed race family they're saying that they are a company for everyone.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Wow. What a horrible ignorant thread

It's gone a bit off topic.

People do love to jump in and twist things in a manipulative way in order to argue and belittle. Shame. Puts lots off the forums

Indeed. Another thing i've noticed is that whenever a thread like this is posted it always seems to be whites that take the greatest offence. If there is social conditioning it appears to be working: "ooh, he mentioned race, i must decry him because that's what's expected"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I worked on some stuff to promote welding in 14-19 education and the advent used an attractive and interesting looking black female. Everyone said how PC because all the data from colleges shows it’s only thick white boys who study it. Well why is that black girls don’t feel like they can become a welder ? The advert is to challenge the stereotype

Isn't this Flashdance?"

Am thinking of the scene in the full monty now "Her mix is all to cock! Them joints won't hold fuck all!"

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By *ishandwantCouple over a year ago

Wellingborough

Linda Bellingham had very nice breasts. Apropos of nothing

I just wanted to think about boobs to cheer meself up

I'm still wondering what she and Mr Oxo got up to in Preston.

Hotel meet maybe?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wow. What a horrible ignorant thread

It's gone a bit off topic.

People do love to jump in and twist things in a manipulative way in order to argue and belittle. Shame. Puts lots off the forums

Race race race, its just a word, women aren't racist when they put "no blacks or Asians" on their profile, or are they? Hmmm anyway I'm going watching man utd get beat again

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What if someone openly admits to being racist on here, what happens then, do the forum openly attack him/her? Do they get banned from fab? would any one be that brave ?

And back on topic I didn't think that the OP was being overtly racist more just another 'PC gone mad' rant without recognizing that that inevitably comes with an element of casual racism

Fricking love these comments. So firmly in a thoughtful, intelligent place than a knee jerk in any direction.

Hmm yes Katie Hopkins. I was the one sitting on the naughty step last week for replying to some suggesting Hopkins "just says what we're all thinking"!

She makes many valid points to be fair

Which of katie hopkins opinions do you think are most valid?

I’m not getting into this again

Fair enough. Although I guess an unfortunate consequence of saying that the opinions of a well known hate preacher are valid but then won't/don't expand on that is that people can only really jump to one conclusion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As others have said " why do you have to make it clear your not a racist ? " "

Because he was expressing a view about something and in this pathetically ridiculous world, if anyone is offended in the slightest they will pull the "Racism" card!

The Racism card is played so often these days, that real Racism is in danger of being overlooked or ignored.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"As others have said " why do you have to make it clear your not a racist ? "

Because he was expressing a view about something and in this pathetically ridiculous world, if anyone is offended in the slightest they will pull the "Racism" card!

The Racism card is played so often these days, that real Racism is in danger of being overlooked or ignored."

And people are so ovine it's insulting to sheep to describe them thus.

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By *hickennchipsWoman over a year ago

up above the streets and houses

"What if someone openly admits to being racist on here, what happens then, do the forum openly attack him/her? Do they get banned from fab? would any one be that brave ?

And back on topic I didn't think that the OP was being overtly racist more just another 'PC gone mad' rant without recognizing that that inevitably comes with an element of casual racism

Fricking love these comments. So firmly in a thoughtful, intelligent place than a knee jerk in any direction.

Hmm yes Katie Hopkins. I was the one sitting on the naughty step last week for replying to some suggesting Hopkins "just says what we're all thinking"!

She makes many valid points to be fair

Which of katie hopkins opinions do you think are most valid?

I’m not getting into this again

You did this in a previous thread, you didn’t manage to successfully undermine me or my views in that one either. How about you just accept differing view points without casting aspersions?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There is massive difference between "Racism" and being "Offended".

There is a massive difference between expressing an opinion and Racism!

Do not play the Racism card unless it is actually Racism!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"There is massive difference between "Racism" and being "Offended".

There is a massive difference between expressing an opinion and Racism!

Do not play the Racism card unless it is actually Racism! "

And i didn't even express an opinion, i just pointed something out.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What if someone openly admits to being racist on here, what happens then, do the forum openly attack him/her? Do they get banned from fab? would any one be that brave ?

And back on topic I didn't think that the OP was being overtly racist more just another 'PC gone mad' rant without recognizing that that inevitably comes with an element of casual racism

Fricking love these comments. So firmly in a thoughtful, intelligent place than a knee jerk in any direction.

Hmm yes Katie Hopkins. I was the one sitting on the naughty step last week for replying to some suggesting Hopkins "just says what we're all thinking"!

She makes many valid points to be fair

Which of katie hopkins opinions do you think are most valid?

I’m not getting into this again

You did this in a previous thread, you didn’t manage to successfully undermine me or my views in that one either. How about you just accept differing view points without casting aspersions?

Or how about to avoid confusion you expand on what it is about Katie Hopkins you like? Like a discussion, convince me that she's not just vile racist soundbites and share what other qualities I'm unaware of that you admire?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Think i'll start an ageism thread......

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By *abriallaTV/TS over a year ago

middletown

The first post is obviously true ; why this is so SHOULD be open to debate.

An unmentioned aspect of racism that is going on the UK means that all the major cities where coloured immigration has occured will eventually change to white minorities.

You cant argue with the facts.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As others have said " why do you have to make it clear your not a racist ? "

Because he was expressing a view about something and in this pathetically ridiculous world, if anyone is offended in the slightest they will pull the "Racism" card!

The Racism card is played so often these days, that real Racism is in danger of being overlooked or ignored."

I agree wholeheartedly with your second paragraph.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I'm still thinking about it. You're all too young.

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By *ervent_fervourMan over a year ago

Halifax

"Wow. What a horrible ignorant thread

It's gone a bit off topic.

People do love to jump in and twist things in a manipulative way in order to argue and belittle. Shame. Puts lots off the forums

Race race race, its just a word, women aren't racist when they put "no blacks or Asians" on their profile, or are they? Hmmm anyway I'm going watching man utd get beat again"

Many would argue that it may be an indicator that they may be.

Practically the same as no blacks no Irish.

And that isn't collectively thought of as racist is it..?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I, on the other hand, am racist.

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By *apiensWoman over a year ago

glasgow

"I want to make that clear before i continue.

Could this be social conditioning or simply the advertisers cynical attempt to make their products appear more inclusive?

Again, before i get shot down in flames, i know it's not that important and it certainly doesn't bother me. I just find it interesting."

Ad break at half time of Ireland v Scotland just now on STV had seven adverts, all but two of which only had white people in them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wow. What a horrible ignorant thread

It's gone a bit off topic.

People do love to jump in and twist things in a manipulative way in order to argue and belittle. Shame. Puts lots off the forums

Race race race, its just a word, women aren't racist when they put "no blacks or Asians" on their profile, or are they? Hmmm anyway I'm going watching man utd get beat again

Many would argue that it may be an indicator that they may be.

Practically the same as no blacks no Irish.

And that isn't collectively thought of as racist is it..?"

I think with preferences it's often how they are presented. The more shouty and aggressive it's expressed the less I suspect it's just a preference

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What amuses me greatly is when mainstream media outlets cry "ONLY 9% OF BLACK PEOPLE WORK FOR THE BBC!" when there's like 4% of black people in the entire country. I think the only complaint anyone should have is an underrepresentation of white people.

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple over a year ago

Birmingham

"What amuses me greatly is when mainstream media outlets cry "ONLY 9% OF BLACK PEOPLE WORK FOR THE BBC!" when there's like 4% of black people in the entire country. I think the only complaint anyone should have is an underrepresentation of white people. "

Yes, potentially seems reasonable. I think there are some good cases. For positive discrimination on certain circumstances, like community policing though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes, potentially seems reasonable. I think there are some good cases. For positive discrimination on certain circumstances, like community policing though. "

Positive discrimination is an oxymoron, because there's literally nothing positive about it at all.

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By *iamond coupleCouple over a year ago

leeds

"I’d suggest it’s to do with making minorities feel included where historically they have felt excluded. That’s why so much work is being done in recruitment from minority groups... we won’t get it right until we don’t notice it or need to specifically recruit from any groups . Surly this in itself is racist? I would employ the best person for the job, no matter what their colour, religion or sex

Arguably, if you disagree with positive discrimination. Bit hard to feel equal if all represe rations you see on telly /in management at work are white.

84 % of the pop is white. So one in seven is non white. About time race shouldn't be an issue.

And documented racism has increased 50% since 2016.

Wonder why.. "
. I know I am going to get a slating here but could it be that it is so easy for people to use the race card as s get out of jail free card. Get out of jail card is not literal

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By *ervent_fervourMan over a year ago

Halifax

Yes, potentially seems reasonable. I think there are some good cases. For positive discrimination on certain circumstances, like community policing though.

Positive discrimination is an oxymoron, because there's literally nothing positive about it at all."

Unless it affects proportions employed in a certain industry, then this can be reflected in numbers in reports regarding representation, and therefore it is, literally, positive of course.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes, potentially seems reasonable. I think there are some good cases. For positive discrimination on certain circumstances, like community policing though.

Positive discrimination is an oxymoron, because there's literally nothing positive about it at all.

Unless it affects proportions employed in a certain industry, then this can be reflected in numbers in reports regarding representation, and therefore it is, literally, positive of course. "

No-one should EVER be employed based on their skin colour at the expense of someone else better qualified.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wow. What a horrible ignorant thread

It's gone a bit off topic.

People do love to jump in and twist things in a manipulative way in order to argue and belittle. Shame. Puts lots off the forums

Race race race, its just a word, women aren't racist when they put "no blacks or Asians" on their profile, or are they? Hmmm anyway I'm going watching man utd get beat again

Many would argue that it may be an indicator that they may be.

Practically the same as no blacks no Irish.

And that isn't collectively thought of as racist is it..?"

"my preference" but the question is why don't they prefer blacks and asians

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wow. What a horrible ignorant thread

It's gone a bit off topic.

People do love to jump in and twist things in a manipulative way in order to argue and belittle. Shame. Puts lots off the forums

Race race race, its just a word, women aren't racist when they put "no blacks or Asians" on their profile, or are they? Hmmm anyway I'm going watching man utd get beat again

Many would argue that it may be an indicator that they may be.

Practically the same as no blacks no Irish.

And that isn't collectively thought of as racist is it..?"

Absolute CRAP! Saying no Blacks, Asians, Irish or whatever is a PREFERENCE, it is NOT RACISM!

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By *ervent_fervourMan over a year ago

Halifax

Yes, potentially seems reasonable. I think there are some good cases. For positive discrimination on certain circumstances, like community policing though.

Positive discrimination is an oxymoron, because there's literally nothing positive about it at all.

Unless it affects proportions employed in a certain industry, then this can be reflected in numbers in reports regarding representation, and therefore it is, literally, positive of course.

No-one should EVER be employed based on their skin colour at the expense of someone else better qualified. "

People could be equally appropriate regardless of qualifications.bit harder to access higher education if you're of a certain skin colour. So qualifications are another barrier. Opportu ities and all that.

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple over a year ago

Birmingham

Yes, potentially seems reasonable. I think there are some good cases. For positive discrimination on certain circumstances, like community policing though.

Positive discrimination is an oxymoron, because there's literally nothing positive about it at all.

Unless it affects proportions employed in a certain industry, then this can be reflected in numbers in reports regarding representation, and therefore it is, literally, positive of course.

No-one should EVER be employed based on their skin colour at the expense of someone else better qualified. "

As above, I disagree. If, for example, the police force policing an area looks more like the community the cover, offenders are more likely to realise they can't blame race for their offenses and may take more of a look at their choices.

Stop oversimplifying things.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No, I haven't noticed, but then I pay very little attention to television ads and I have never paid much attention to the colour of anyone's skin. We're all people

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’m not racist....I have a black and white dog

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By *oft_SensualTV/TS over a year ago

Yorkshire

I don't watch TV- real life tells me the world is mixed minus the irritating adverts.

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By *partharmonyCouple over a year ago

Ruislip

I'm sure it's down to what helps sell things. We live in much more accepting times and they are keen to be seen as inclusive of people and situations that used to be frowned upon.

You could look at it like this. Across the last 50 years of TV advertising, these things are still hugely under-representated. An uplift now is making up a bit for ignoring it in the past.

It's all driven by money, but if it helps normalise things that have been unjustly maligned in the past, I'm not going to get upset about it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The OP seems to be getting a lot of stick here and I think it’s a little unfair as it’s something I’ve noticed too (maybe because I’m a racist too?) - corporations / advertisers need to be as inclusive as possible these days so adverts do seem to be much more diverse than they used to, same sex relationships and mixed race relationships are very prevalent and some would argue portrayed disproportionately to the actual proportions in ‘real life society’.

Advertisers have 30 seconds to appeal to all sections of society so by default won’t necessarily represent all sections proportionately to population size, so for me it’s not a problem and a sign of progression in values I think, but it doesn’t necessarily make anyone racist to point it out. I think the term is overused at times and devalues the criticism and denouncement of true racism when it used so loosely.

As an aside it is also positive to see more “average to plus” figured models being used these days in advertisements which does better reflect societal reality than the days of old.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Very often the racist polemics are used to simply detract from a genuinely useful discussion about the variance amongst the worlds peoples. Which are racial characteristics and can be discussed without being racist.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Some people have totally misunderstood the original post. Wouldn't the people in China feel odd when they see plenty of white people in their ads shown to be living in China? OP's point was that why are there so many interracial couples on ads when you don't see that many in real life? That's a perfectly valid point. That's just an attempt by ad makers to keep all sections of their society happy.

Of course, some people will be triggered by seeing such posts and start shouting racism just like they do for every fucking thing that's happening around.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No-one should EVER be employed based on their skin colour at the expense of someone else better qualified. "

Some industries are traditionally very demographic specific. In those industries it doesn’t hurt in the short term to prioritise other demographics in order to make that industry more overt in the mindset of those who may have been put off by the apparent lack of opportunity for their race/sex/age group etc. and thus provide a more balanced work force in the long term.

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By *hilloutMan over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

"Some people have totally misunderstood the original post. Wouldn't the people in China feel odd when they see plenty of white people in their ads shown to be living in China? OP's point was that why are there so many interracial couples on ads when you don't see that many in real life? That's a perfectly valid point. That's just an attempt by ad makers to keep all sections of their society happy.

Of course, some people will be triggered by seeing such posts and start shouting racism just like they do for every fucking thing that's happening around."

It's called virtue signaling. Something western society has been very prolific in.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Of course, some people will be triggered by seeing such posts and start shouting racism just like they do for every fucking thing that's happening around.

It's called virtue signaling. Something western society has been very prolific in."

Had to look up what it means. Yes. That's the apt term for it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes they get banned!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ask Google why. The answers are consistent.

But it seems like the start of a new era in being group specific.

Its targeted advertising, obviously.

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple over a year ago

Birmingham

"Ask Google why. The answers are consistent.

But it seems like the start of a new era in being group specific.

Its targeted advertising, obviously.

But targeted at who? I doubt they are targeting mixed race couples. Instead I'd guess it's focussed on modern, young, engaged people with progressive outlooks..? Not exactly a bad motivation, but it still feels pretty artificial in the ads.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Ask Google why. The answers are consistent.

But it seems like the start of a new era in being group specific.

Its targeted advertising, obviously.

I think it's because advertisers want to be seen to be including ethnic minorities without excluding whites. Where couples are depicted, therefore, making them mixed race is the most obvious solution. And no, it's not a bad motivation. The entire ethos of advertising is artificial.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I want to make that clear before i continue.

Could this be social conditioning or simply the advertisers cynical attempt to make their products appear more inclusive?

Again, before i get shot down in flames, i know it's not that important and it certainly doesn't bother me. I just find it interesting."

White people are the majority so by your logic only they should be represented in tv adverts?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's temporary.

All adverts used to be just whites.

This current phase of adverts is in recognition of non whites so when adverts reverts back to Whites only, no complaints will be made.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"It's temporary.

All adverts used to be just whites.

This current phase of adverts is in recognition of non whites so when adverts reverts back to Whites only, no complaints will be made. "

No one's complaining now and i'm not sure how it's possible that some suggest that i think advertising should be purely the preserve of whites.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Douglas Murray talks about it in his latest book the madness of crowds. I don’t think it’s necessarily social engineering, but more likely your second suggestion. A cynical way to try and make more money. Either way it doesn’t bother me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Great filter thread BTW

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think they have a product to sell and they want to sell it to all the colours of people. So they probably try to get as many potential customers as possible in their adds.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Great filter thread BTW

Aye.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Its early days in the process. But at some point the ads will be irresistible.

Would a fellow from the Balkans have been a good advert for insurance. We don't know, what we have is those effing meerkat puppets.

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Some would say that the fact you even notice is a sign you do have some racist tendencies."

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Some would say that the fact you even notice is a sign you do have some racist tendencies.

Allow me to suggest

The noticing I do not think suggests racist tendencies however

Starting a thread about something so trivial does

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some would say that the fact you even notice is a sign you do have some racist tendencies.

Allow me to suggest

The noticing I do not think suggests racist tendencies however

Starting a thread about something so trivial does"

that is your suggestion, totally ignoring the OP who stated he is NOT.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some would say that the fact you even notice is a sign you do have some racist tendencies.

Allow me to suggest

The noticing I do not think suggests racist tendencies however

Starting a thread about something so trivial does

that is your suggestion, totally ignoring the OP who stated he is NOT."

1. just because someone says they're not racist doesn't mean they aren't

And 2. The fact that he is so bothered by something so trivial surrounding races does suggest that there are some underlying racist tendencies there

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By *ntrepid ExplorersCouple over a year ago

Birmingham

"Some would say that the fact you even notice is a sign you do have some racist tendencies.

Allow me to suggest

The noticing I do not think suggests racist tendencies however

Starting a thread about something so trivial does

that is your suggestion, totally ignoring the OP who stated he is NOT.

1. just because someone says they're not racist doesn't mean they aren't

And 2. The fact that he is so bothered by something so trivial surrounding races does suggest that there are some underlying racist tendencies there "

1 - Absolutely. It's not something you can assert about yourself.

2 - Absolutely not. He is not "bothered" by it from anything I can see, he was simply observing it. It's a pitiful place to live when you aren't allowed to be curious or observant without you being accused of whatever anyone wants to throw at you as a result.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’m in market and I’m not white. The reason is to resonate with as much of your target audience as possible. Brands don’t target by race but their target consumer are different races, and they try to resonate with everyone.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’m in market and I’m not white. The reason is to resonate with as much of your target audience as possible. Brands don’t target by race but their target consumer are different races, and they try to resonate with everyone."

I’m in marketing I mean

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some would say that the fact you even notice is a sign you do have some racist tendencies.

Allow me to suggest

The noticing I do not think suggests racist tendencies however

Starting a thread about something so trivial does

that is your suggestion, totally ignoring the OP who stated he is NOT.

1. just because someone says they're not racist doesn't mean they aren't

And 2. The fact that he is so bothered by something so trivial surrounding races does suggest that there are some underlying racist tendencies there

1 - Absolutely. It's not something you can assert about yourself.

Starting a thread and asking why do they cater to mixed relationships when they only make up 7% of the uk seems bothered to me.

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By *ettyboob72Woman over a year ago

Manningtree

Maybe the marketers are just keeping it real,

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By *ocbigMan over a year ago

Birmingham

Yes, potentially seems reasonable. I think there are some good cases. For positive discrimination on certain circumstances, like community policing though.

Positive discrimination is an oxymoron, because there's literally nothing positive about it at all.

Unless it affects proportions employed in a certain industry, then this can be reflected in numbers in reports regarding representation, and therefore it is, literally, positive of course.

No-one should EVER be employed based on their skin colour at the expense of someone else better qualified. "

'cos that has never happened in this white male dominated overpriviledged public schoolboy run country...oh wait..

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