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over a year ago
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The report, published by Scottish Environment Link (SEL), which includes the John Muir Trust, the National Trust for Scotland, RSPB Scotland and the Scottish Wildlife Trust, argues that a dramatic reduction in the country’s wild deer population is needed to tackle accelerating climate and biodiversity crises.
The report says deer can cause significant damage to emerging woodlands through grazing, and that they trample fragile peatlands, which are key to carbon absorption
They are encouraging a large cull in Deer to protect forests and lower warming
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its a crazy world;
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Australia is culling 10,000 camels to prevent them drinking up all the water from streams
Perhaps they should first put a ban on households having swimming pools |
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Deer culling has always been an important part of environmental management because they no longer have any natural predators and can cause a lot of damage. Interesting to hear about the peat bog damage though, I didn't know about that. |
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"Deer culling has always been an important part of environmental management because they no longer have any natural predators and can cause a lot of damage. Interesting to hear about the peat bog damage though, I didn't know about that. "
I saw that on a programme the other day, eye opener in some aspects. Seeing a vegan shot a deer as he is an environmentalist first sold it to me. |
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Some say it is cruel and unnecessary to cull or Hunt any animal but we have they removed the Apex Predators which would otherwise control numbers so no culling and removing of the remains what is it necessary to stop the spread of disease and sickness and starvation . |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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I wonder how much carbon they churned out in the course of putting that report together?
Offsetting carbon emissions by planting more trees doesn't really address the fundamental cause - that humans are altering the ecosystem by digging up long-dead trees and burning them.
The authors ought to look in the mirror before trying to scapegoat deer.
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Probably be much better for the environment to band all inputs of protein so beef chicken lamb and pork from countries that did not raised the animal in a low carbon way same as the UK.
But you are all going to have to pay more for your meat. |
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"Deer culling has always been an important part of environmental management because they no longer have any natural predators and can cause a lot of damage. Interesting to hear about the peat bog damage though, I didn't know about that. "
And the camel population in Australia is feral FFS. |
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"Deer culling has always been an important part of environmental management because they no longer have any natural predators and can cause a lot of damage. Interesting to hear about the peat bog damage though, I didn't know about that.
And the camel population in Australia is feral FFS."
Yep! I'd much rather see them culled so that the native wildlife has access to water. |
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"Deer culling has always been an important part of environmental management because they no longer have any natural predators and can cause a lot of damage. Interesting to hear about the peat bog damage though, I didn't know about that.
I saw that on a programme the other day, eye opener in some aspects. Seeing a vegan shot a deer as he is an environmentalist first sold it to me."
If culling is necessary then so be it. However, don’t just kill and dispose of the deer, make sure they are used effectively rather than just burned |
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"Deer culling has always been an important part of environmental management because they no longer have any natural predators and can cause a lot of damage. Interesting to hear about the peat bog damage though, I didn't know about that.
I saw that on a programme the other day, eye opener in some aspects. Seeing a vegan shot a deer as he is an environmentalist first sold it to me.
If culling is necessary then so be it. However, don’t just kill and dispose of the deer, make sure they are used effectively rather than just burned "
Yes. Use the resources. |
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"Deer culling has always been an important part of environmental management because they no longer have any natural predators and can cause a lot of damage. Interesting to hear about the peat bog damage though, I didn't know about that.
I saw that on a programme the other day, eye opener in some aspects. Seeing a vegan shot a deer as he is an environmentalist first sold it to me.
If culling is necessary then so be it. However, don’t just kill and dispose of the deer, make sure they are used effectively rather than just burned "
Food... |
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"Deer culling has always been an important part of environmental management because they no longer have any natural predators and can cause a lot of damage. Interesting to hear about the peat bog damage though, I didn't know about that.
I saw that on a programme the other day, eye opener in some aspects. Seeing a vegan shot a deer as he is an environmentalist first sold it to me.
If culling is necessary then so be it. However, don’t just kill and dispose of the deer, make sure they are used effectively rather than just burned "
They're usually sold locally as venison. My uncle was a forestry commission ranger and part of his job was the deer cull. His certainly never went to waste. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The only reason we have to cull dear is because stupid idiots Hunted wolves to extinction
The planet is fooked and it's due to the so called smartest living things on the planet |
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Tbh, I'd be quite happy to help cull both the deer and the camels. Both damage the environment.
I already take part in pest control with removing rats, pigeons, rabbits, squirrels etc from farms. All spread disease. All damage crops. Rabbits and squirrels are an invasive species to the UK. Pigeons are basically flying rats, rats are, well, rats  . All need to be controlled. You'll never kill them all but they can be managed. And that's exactly what we need to do.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I thought wolves were dangerous "
It's a wild animal so yeah but look at the stats on wolf attacks in America and Europe and then check that of drink driving cock wombles
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Deer culling has always been an important part of environmental management because they no longer have any natural predators and can cause a lot of damage. Interesting to hear about the peat bog damage though, I didn't know about that.
I saw that on a programme the other day, eye opener in some aspects. Seeing a vegan shot a deer as he is an environmentalist first sold it to me.
If culling is necessary then so be it. However, don’t just kill and dispose of the deer, make sure they are used effectively rather than just burned "
They did,they ate it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Well I feel safer at night walking home through fields and bridleways knowing wolves are extinct.."
So a natural creature that roamed about freely deserved To be wiped out for no other reason than sport
That's all I'm putting into this one |
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"Deer culling has always been an important part of environmental management because they no longer have any natural predators and can cause a lot of damage. Interesting to hear about the peat bog damage though, I didn't know about that.
I saw that on a programme the other day, eye opener in some aspects. Seeing a vegan shot a deer as he is an environmentalist first sold it to me.
If culling is necessary then so be it. However, don’t just kill and dispose of the deer, make sure they are used effectively rather than just burned
They're usually sold locally as venison. My uncle was a forestry commission ranger and part of his job was the deer cull. His certainly never went to waste. "
Pleased to hear it |
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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago
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"The report, published by Scottish Environment Link (SEL), which includes the John Muir Trust, the National Trust for Scotland, RSPB Scotland and the Scottish Wildlife Trust, argues that a dramatic reduction in the country’s wild deer population is needed to tackle accelerating climate and biodiversity crises.
The report says deer can cause significant damage to emerging woodlands through grazing, and that they trample fragile peatlands, which are key to carbon absorption
They are encouraging a large cull in Deer to protect forests and lower warming
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its a crazy world;
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Australia is culling 10,000 camels to prevent them drinking up all the water from streams
Perhaps they should first put a ban on
households having swimming pools"
They both “make good eating, mate”. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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They are scarey fuckers and I would shit myself on the way home if they started howling like wolves ... "
I have 2 hybrids they are obviously very different to standard dogs
And take a lot of patience guess it's each to there own I'm no animal activists but I believe everything has its place in this world |
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They are scarey fuckers and I would shit myself on the way home if they started howling like wolves ...
I have 2 hybrids they are obviously very different to standard dogs
And take a lot of patience guess it's each to there own I'm no animal activists but I believe everything has its place in this world"
Two hybrids.. ? Guess your not talking eco cars..
Dangerous fuckers I guess ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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They are scarey fuckers and I would shit myself on the way home if they started howling like wolves ...
I have 2 hybrids they are obviously very different to standard dogs
And take a lot of patience guess it's each to there own I'm no animal activists but I believe everything has its place in this world
Two hybrids.. ? Guess your not talking eco cars..
Dangerous fuckers I guess ?"
Haha not cars no
And not dangerous just need to be respected |
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They are scarey fuckers and I would shit myself on the way home if they started howling like wolves ...
I have 2 hybrids they are obviously very different to standard dogs
And take a lot of patience guess it's each to there own I'm no animal activists but I believe everything has its place in this world
Two hybrids.. ? Guess your not talking eco cars..
Dangerous fuckers I guess ?
Haha not cars no
And not dangerous just need to be respected "
Scarey bastards then ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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They are scarey fuckers and I would shit myself on the way home if they started howling like wolves ...
I have 2 hybrids they are obviously very different to standard dogs
And take a lot of patience guess it's each to there own I'm no animal activists but I believe everything has its place in this world
Two hybrids.. ? Guess your not talking eco cars..
Dangerous fuckers I guess ?
Haha not cars no
And not dangerous just need to be respected "
How would they act if not respected? If a mentally disabled child patted them too roughly, for example? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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They are scarey fuckers and I would shit myself on the way home if they started howling like wolves ...
I have 2 hybrids they are obviously very different to standard dogs
And take a lot of patience guess it's each to there own I'm no animal activists but I believe everything has its place in this world
Two hybrids.. ? Guess your not talking eco cars..
Dangerous fuckers I guess ?
Haha not cars no
And not dangerous just need to be respected
Scarey bastards then ? "
No there as soft as any other dog it's how you raise them mine have never left my side since they where pups both stay in the house with me never had any issue with aggression
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They are scarey fuckers and I would shit myself on the way home if they started howling like wolves ...
I have 2 hybrids they are obviously very different to standard dogs
And take a lot of patience guess it's each to there own I'm no animal activists but I believe everything has its place in this world
Two hybrids.. ? Guess your not talking eco cars..
Dangerous fuckers I guess ?
Haha not cars no
And not dangerous just need to be respected
Scarey bastards then ?
No there as soft as any other dog it's how you raise them mine have never left my side since they where pups both stay in the house with me never had any issue with aggression
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Are they hybrids as in 50% wolf? Or low content wolfdogs? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Low content 25% Alaskan mal and husky mix
Permitted by law so I don't have to jump through hoops
Although I have put an offer in on a hefty patch of land and will be getting a couple more probably high content or higher content and they can run free to a certain extent  |
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"Low content 25% Alaskan mal and husky mix
Permitted by law so I don't have to jump through hoops
Although I have put an offer in on a hefty patch of land and will be getting a couple more probably high content or higher content and they can run free to a certain extent "
Nice! I couldn't keep them, they're far too hard work. Would you ever go as far as getting a DWA to have high content or pure wolves or are you going to stick to non-DWA? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"My dog could pull down a deer
It wouldnt if my dog was protecting the deer, im afraid your dog would not get near enough
Omg is this a case of my dogs more bad ass than your dog  "
That is discussting definitely keep it on a lead or hand it over to the authorities if it's that out of control |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Low content 25% Alaskan mal and husky mix
Permitted by law so I don't have to jump through hoops
Although I have put an offer in on a hefty patch of land and will be getting a couple more probably high content or higher content and they can run free to a certain extent
Nice! I couldn't keep them, they're far too hard work. Would you ever go as far as getting a DWA to have high content or pure wolves or are you going to stick to non-DWA?"
Well is a huge chunk of land I'm looking at do if all is permitted I'll go for my licences but I'll have to play it by ear I'd love some pure or near pure but I'll have to wait and see |
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"Low content 25% Alaskan mal and husky mix
Permitted by law so I don't have to jump through hoops
Although I have put an offer in on a hefty patch of land and will be getting a couple more probably high content or higher content and they can run free to a certain extent
Nice! I couldn't keep them, they're far too hard work. Would you ever go as far as getting a DWA to have high content or pure wolves or are you going to stick to non-DWA?
Well is a huge chunk of land I'm looking at do if all is permitted I'll go for my licences but I'll have to play it by ear I'd love some pure or near pure but I'll have to wait and see "
I looked into getting a DWA licence around here, and our local council hardly approve any of the applications, and charge a fortune for the ones that they do approve  |
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"Low content 25% Alaskan mal and husky mix
Permitted by law so I don't have to jump through hoops
Although I have put an offer in on a hefty patch of land and will be getting a couple more probably high content or higher content and they can run free to a certain extent
Nice! I couldn't keep them, they're far too hard work. Would you ever go as far as getting a DWA to have high content or pure wolves or are you going to stick to non-DWA?
Well is a huge chunk of land I'm looking at do if all is permitted I'll go for my licences but I'll have to play it by ear I'd love some pure or near pure but I'll have to wait and see "
You could be in danger.. they could turn on you.. |
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"The creature doing the culling might want to look in the mirror
Hear hear.
Its It's the human population numbers that needs to be controlled.
Agreed.. who would you exterminate first ?"
'Don't think we need to resort to a cull of humans. What we should do is encourage people to have fewer or even no children |
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"The creature doing the culling might want to look in the mirror
Hear hear.
Its It's the human population numbers that needs to be controlled.
Agreed.. who would you exterminate first ?
'Don't think we need to resort to a cull of humans. What we should do is encourage people to have fewer or even no children "
Or alternively put your finger in the hole in the Dyke..
China tried it.. didn't work |
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"DWA? "
Dangerous Wild Animals licence. It covers things like wolves, big cats, venomous snakes, etc. The councils each have their own criteria and pricing structure which is a pain in the bum, but essentially it makes sure that your animals aren't going to pose a danger to the public. |
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"The creature doing the culling might want to look in the mirror
Hear hear.
Its It's the human population numbers that needs to be controlled.
Agreed.. who would you exterminate first ?
'Don't think we need to resort to a cull of humans. What we should do is encourage people to have fewer or even no children "
Yeah but how else are teenagers going to get a house if they’re not pregnant? |
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Look up
Wolves change the course of a river on YouTube
They introduced wolves back into Yellowstone park to control the deer which without predation had a massive detrimental effect on the environment.
It’s incredible. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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They are scarey fuckers and I would shit myself on the way home if they started howling like wolves ...
I have 2 hybrids they are obviously very different to standard dogs
And take a lot of patience guess it's each to there own I'm no animal activists but I believe everything has its place in this world"
Except maybe us? Most creatures live in tune with their environment, but not us as a species.. |
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Im not sure how things are done overseas.. But wildlife management here in the United States is important to keep herds at safe levels to maintain the ecosystem since populations of natural predators are so low and in some areas completely gone. Which makes humans the apex predator. |
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"Im not sure how things are done overseas.. But wildlife management here in the United States is important to keep herds at safe levels to maintain the ecosystem since populations of natural predators are so low and in some areas completely gone. Which makes humans the apex predator."
I visit Yellowstone regular as well as areas around Yellowstone - Cody / Jackson hole etc, its good to see how wolves and bears mix in around Yellowstone but they do stray onto farms etc close by, they often take the easy option to feed from bins and discarded food |
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"Low content 25% Alaskan mal and husky mix
Permitted by law so I don't have to jump through hoops
Although I have put an offer in on a hefty patch of land and will be getting a couple more probably high content or higher content and they can run free to a certain extent "
I have owned Malamutes for 25 years, the kennel club has ruined the breed of this dog
I still have one last shepherds way Malamute an old girl and she is teaching my new Caucasian Mountain Dog/
Caucasian Ovchark puppy her old bad habbits |
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"Im not sure how things are done overseas.. But wildlife management here in the United States is important to keep herds at safe levels to maintain the ecosystem since populations of natural predators are so low and in some areas completely gone. Which makes humans the apex predator.
I visit Yellowstone regular as well as areas around Yellowstone - Cody / Jackson hole etc, its good to see how wolves and bears mix in around Yellowstone but they do stray onto farms etc close by, they often take the easy option to feed from bins and discarded food"
That's why you get donkeys. They will kick the shit out of anything. Never had a wolf problem on the farm because of those grumpy asses.
Wolves are a huge part of balancing ecosystems; in Canada it's very embraced and tracked so that balance keeps happening. Its not perfect by a long shot, but to keep the balances you have to cull. I live in a place where the deer are city wide, same with moose and they cause alot of problems because the coyotes and cougars come in to track them but end up also eating/attacking peoples cats or dogs or humans. And the moose.....as fun as they are to look at if they kick your car it's not covered and they literally are too big to negotiate with. (They tranquilize and then drive them back out to the forest areas).
As for bears...I'm more scared of the wolf spiders. Bears just eat your garbage and poop on your driveway.
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A couple of years ago a report came out that cattle should be farmed in the latest superfarms as many do in the US. They never see outdoors and the reason was that it is down to the methane they produce ruining the earth's atmosphere. Idea was that the air from these superfarms would be filtered etc so the methane wouldn't entry the ecosystem. ..it's always animal world at fault never man..nuts!  |
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"Low content 25% Alaskan mal and husky mix
Permitted by law so I don't have to jump through hoops
Although I have put an offer in on a hefty patch of land and will be getting a couple more probably high content or higher content and they can run free to a certain extent "
Surely that is just two domestic breeds (all husky) so no licence needed anyway? Good working dogs though never sure about pets my brother had a husky with wolf (small bit) and did need a licence for it  |
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"Well you learn something everyday
So the real problem with the bush fires in Oz is diwn to the camels nicking all the water"
not at all, take use some effort look into it rather than be foolish, 10,000 camels are being culled as they are drinking up all the remaining water at water holes preventing other wild life from drinking, still, its good to see all human households still have their swimming pools in their gardens. |
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We know that massive tree planting levels can help to overcome human caused global heating, so it makes some sense to limit deer. The cause needs to be addressed too, by changing human life. A huge meat eating lifestyle needs to be switched to plant based diets, on top of other changes. In 10 years or so it will be too late to stop catastrophic heating. |
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"We know that massive tree planting levels can help to overcome human caused global heating, so it makes some sense to limit deer. The cause needs to be addressed too, by changing human life. A huge meat eating lifestyle needs to be switched to plant based diets, on top of other changes. In 10 years or so it will be too late to stop catastrophic heating. "
It's too late now. We are passed the tipping point. More people will flee the hot countries to reach the more temperate countries. We will all be fighting for food and there will be more famine. Enjoy it while you can. |
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"Look up
Wolves change the course of a river on YouTube
They introduced wolves back into Yellowstone park to control the deer which without predation had a massive detrimental effect on the environment.
It’s incredible. "
I saw that it was amazing |
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I don't know whether you have noticed yet or not but deer aren't just a problem in Scotland and in our national parks. They have travelled down our transport links into cities and have been found grazing in suburban estates, scavenging in bins, strolling down the streets at dawn.
I love nature, it works best when it is in balance. We've messed up the balance bigtime during our tenure. Reintroduction programmes of the European wolf have been successful in Europe. Personally I would like to see them reintroduced in the UK where appropriate. In other locations unfortunately we created a problem. There is an overpopulation that the land cannot support which is why the deer move into the urban areas. We could say that we took them away from wildlife but we also aren't going to give them back.
We need to get this balance right. Culling may be the only choice. But we must use the meat. With so much hungry in the world we cannot waste it |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"Low content 25% Alaskan mal and husky mix
Permitted by law so I don't have to jump through hoops
Although I have put an offer in on a hefty patch of land and will be getting a couple more probably high content or higher content and they can run free to a certain extent
Surely that is just two domestic breeds (all husky) so no licence needed anyway? Good working dogs though never sure about pets my brother had a husky with wolf (small bit) and did need a licence for it "
25% wolf 75% husky mal mix I'm pretty sure he means.
Areas with greatly reduced/absent natural predators, like the UK for example, do need population control. It is critical for both humans and the environment itself.
Unfortunately whichever way you look at it, the reason this needs to happen is all because of human intervention. We as a species killed off all of the apex predators in our countries.
At the same time though, it is laughable that humans want to cull a species to protect the environment, yet very rarely think twice about damaging it ourselves.
The wolves in yellows tone is one of the most amazing transformations you will ever see in terms of what nature does to balance itself.
Humans are the species that actually messes with the balance.
The none native species which cause chaos to most environments are down to humans. None native species are one of the few things that nature rarely is able to adjust itself to fully - "Australian" camels, and grey squirrels in UK. |
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"Low content 25% Alaskan mal and husky mix
Permitted by law so I don't have to jump through hoops
Although I have put an offer in on a hefty patch of land and will be getting a couple more probably high content or higher content and they can run free to a certain extent
Surely that is just two domestic breeds (all husky) so no licence needed anyway? Good working dogs though never sure about pets my brother had a husky with wolf (small bit) and did need a licence for it "
The Alaskan Malamute is mixed with a Alaskan malamute with wolf content and then along came a husky the husky fluttered it's eye lashes and along came Alaskan Malamute x husky with wolf content
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"To be honest I think we are passed the tipping point and fucked..
So let's party hard because soon will be our last day"
The expertise on global heating proposes that we are not beyond the tipping point to potentially restrain global heating to within 1.5 degrees Celsius. Last year showed 1.1 degrees of heating globally, so we are close.
Hunan made global heating has happened and the question is really to what extent we will permit ourselves to heat it to? Having no targets and giving up isn't a reasonable approach, as this would deliver even more catastrophic outcomes - more deaths and destruction, of living species and more of the world.
This slaughter of deer is Scotland would be an incremental step towards supporting greater wildlife as well as supporting greater forestation, which would reduce CO2 levels in the atmosphere. It's likely that hundreds or thousands of such approaches will need to be made to make substantial global differences - but that is the only way to do this, as every region and country is self governing and responsible.
Most of us would likely prefer to never have wildlife killed but this may be a good example of where we could impose on other forms of life that we share this planet with, to try to help ensure that more life overall is preserved and given greater positive potential for the long term future. We must though make massive changes to our own lifestyles as a matter of urgency. Giving up cannot be an option that's tolerable. |
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By *arksxMan
over a year ago
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Not picking anyones post out in particular but
The entire global population could live in the boarders of the state of texas if we all lived as denese as Paris.
Population is not the problem. Poor management of resources and infrastructure is
As for animal production contributing to to co2....
Right behind it is... rice production. Are we going to ban rice with our Chinese and Indian take away too?
Don't hear the vegans talk about that
The planet is not fucked... The human race is fucked.
Earth has been around for billions years and will be long after are microscopic dot on earth's time line has come and gone |
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"Not picking anyones post out in particular but
The entire global population could live in the boarders of the state of texas if we all lived as denese as Paris.
Population is not the problem. Poor management of resources and infrastructure is
As for animal production contributing to to co2....
Right behind it is... rice production. Are we going to ban rice with our Chinese and Indian take away too?
Don't hear the vegans talk about that
The planet is not fucked... The human race is fucked.
Earth has been around for billions years and will be long after are microscopic dot on earth's time line has come and gone"
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By *arksxMan
over a year ago
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"Not picking anyones post out in particular but
The entire global population could live in the boarders of the state of texas if we all lived as denese as Paris.
Population is not the problem. Poor management of resources and infrastructure is
As for animal production contributing to to co2....
Right behind it is... rice production. Are we going to ban rice with our Chinese and Indian take away too?
Don't hear the vegans talk about that
The planet is not fucked... The human race is fucked.
Earth has been around for billions years and will be long after are microscopic dot on earth's time line has come and gone
Is rice a polluter? I thought we were supposed to eat more plant based food ?"
It's a major methane producer
Almost 20% of all the globes production.
Thats because industrial farming techniques are still not widely used everywhere in Asia (which produces 90% of the worlds rice)
Maybe once plant based protein cathes on and some big industrial famra company brings in economies of sacle it will go down.
But only after they nick all the fresh water from the poorest people in those areas. (like they do in every part of the world)
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