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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Hi All,
Just wondering if we can get a general opinion of which Toilet a CD/TV should use when out in public?
How many of you have an opinion or would be offended?
Please take the time to answer this one. I really am interested.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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hmmm, guess it could depend on how convincing they are and the place they are in, a CD/TV isnt always convincing and does look like a man in a dress I suppose they could get into some trouble if useing a womens toilet in a shopping centre for example, there will always be someone who would be offended by it
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I don't think there's a 'should' involved, it's down to what's comfortable for her. Now if it's some lads on a stag do, dressing up, I'd probably guess they'll be in the guys loo. I always use the ladies, but have popped into a guys loo from time to time. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Personally, we dont care, you can use any you like.
i raised a similar point some time back about when you go to a club fully dressed as a female, what do they charge you to get in ?? are you charged the high rate as a single man, or the lower rate as a single woman??
and what about if two gay men go to a club who have entered into a civil partnership, are they charged as 2 single men or as a couple?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Although I guess some people won't agree with my logic......
I only dress for sex... I don't CD in public,
But at swingers clubs when I CD, I only expect to use the male toilets......
after-all why wouldn't I..... I'm still a bloke....  |
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"Although I guess some people won't agree with my logic......
I only dress for sex... I don't CD in public,
But at swingers clubs when I CD, I only expect to use the male toilets......
after-all why wouldn't I..... I'm still a bloke.... "
Hmmm, and which side do you 'Dress' for sex ..Ummmm?.....i dress to the right    |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think if you are living as a woman then you should use the ladies toilet.
If its done for fun/sex then a man's toilet should be used.
In a club, use what ever you like...most (men and women) do anyway 
Kat x x |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"depends but I would still say the mens depends on how convincing you are."
Well you can have a look at my profile if you like! I think it would be better for others to say If I am convincing.  |
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Don't really care if TV's or blokes use the ladies loos...as long as they don't pee on the seat.
I never understand why some people get up in arms about it....most people either have only one toilet at home or if they have multiple toilets they don't make them gender specific. Lots of places abroad have unisex toilets. I certainly have used the cubicle in a gent's toilet when there has been a queue at the ladies |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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"depends but I would still say the mens depends on how convincing you are.
Well you can have a look at my profile if you like! I think it would be better for others to say If I am convincing. "
You convinced me that you should be able to use whichever you want to.... (I m referring to toilets  xx |
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"Don't really care if TV's or blokes use the ladies loos...as long as they don't pee on the seat.
I never understand why some people get up in arms about it....most people either have only one toilet at home or if they have multiple toilets they don't make them gender specific. Lots of places abroad have unisex toilets. I certainly have used the cubicle in a gent's toilet when there has been a queue at the ladies "
i remember as a 14 yr old lad goimg into the toilets on the docks in calais. i was stood having a piss when i heard womens voices behind me. i turned around to find 4 young ladies all about 20 may i add..... the pee stopped and a instant boner appeared lol  |
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"depends but I would still say the mens depends on how convincing you are.
Well you can have a look at my profile if you like! I think it would be better for others to say If I am convincing.
You convinced me that you should be able to use whichever you want to.... (I m referring to toilets xx"
Hmm, i'm Tempted to have a peek myself now
But i shall resist ... |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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"depends but I would still say the mens depends on how convincing you are.
Well you can have a look at my profile if you like! I think it would be better for others to say If I am convincing.
You convinced me that you should be able to use whichever you want to.... (I m referring to toilets xx
Hmm, i'm Tempted to have a peek myself now
But i shall resist ... "
Isnt that (resistance) the first step to the abyss ? |
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I'm not bothered generally especially in swinging clubs and 'friendly' pubs, however I can understand why some people would be bothered in some public places.
If you live as a woman, dress like a woman and feel like a woman... womens loos it is.
The dodgy ground is men who dress as women from time to time. Nothing against CD's and what I am about to say is not aimed at them at all, but what is to stop some perve putting on a bit of lippy so they can hang around in women's public toilets....... where the children are. The d*unken stag do has already been mentioned. A man in a frock is still a man at the end of the day.
I do have every empathy that sometimes it is just less hassle for a CD to use the ladies....... but I am also concerned over the implications of other people taking advantage of tollerance.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm not bothered generally especially in swinging clubs and 'friendly' pubs, however I can understand why some people would be bothered in some public places.
If you live as a woman, dress like a woman and feel like a woman... womens loos it is.
The dodgy ground is men who dress as women from time to time. Nothing against CD's and what I am about to say is not aimed at them at all, but what is to stop some perve putting on a bit of lippy so they can hang around in women's public toilets....... where the children are. The d*unken stag do has already been mentioned. A man in a frock is still a man at the end of the day.
I do have every empathy that sometimes it is just less hassle for a CD to use the ladies....... but I am also concerned over the implications of other people taking advantage of tollerance.
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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"depends but I would still say the mens depends on how convincing you are.
Well you can have a look at my profile if you like! I think it would be better for others to say If I am convincing.
You convinced me that you should be able to use whichever you want to.... (I m referring to toilets xx
Hmm, i'm Tempted to have a peek myself now
But i shall resist ... Isnt that (resistance) the first step to the abyss ?
OH ! thats far to 'Deep' for me this time of day .. "
Lets just call resistance "futile" then...;-) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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But surely common sense dictates that regardless of how convincing a Transvestite is,,,, or whatever causes his compulsion to crossdress, he should accept that any desire he has to use female public toilets is superseded by the rights of female members of the public wishing to use public convenience's safe in the assumption it’s a female only facility……
However in the case where males are going through a process of gender reassignment there would seem a logical need for leeway on this position……
But as for bog standard TV/CD’s who dress for kicks ….. nope we should man-up and use the gents…
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No matter what clothing a person wears, if they still have male genatalia then they should use the male conveniences.
There are cubicles for privacy so there shouldn't be a problem. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I think if you are living as a woman then you should use the ladies toilet.
If its done for fun/sex then a man's toilet should be used.
In a club, use what ever you like...most (men and women) do anyway
Kat x x"
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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"No matter what clothing a person wears, if they still have male genatalia then they should use the male conveniences.
There are cubicles for privacy so there shouldn't be a problem. "
I was in a gay club when I needed the loo. Big queue at the ladies, so I nipped into the cubicles in the gents.
Was washing my hands when two guys came in. They gave me dog's abuse.
Only time I've used the gents;; only time I've had hassle. I'll stick to the ladies next time. |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
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If I'm out dressed I'm generally in a friendly place and so I use the ladies. I did once try to use the Gents in a nightclub and was pulled back by a member of staff who propelled me towards the ladies. Very flattering at the time. |
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most of the pubs and clubs in the village around canal street in manchester are unisex toilets now, whenever me and my friends go out we always use the ladies toilets as is our legal right under the equal rights/sex discrimination act now combined, if we are in public presenting as female then we are entitled to use the facilities that have been set aside for females, however, like any facility it is entirely at the managements discretion who they allow to use them, xxx |
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Personally, when I'm in a loo "adjusting" myself I don't want men in there...and a cross dresser/tv IS a man.
Also I've seen people allow their young daughters to go to the loo on their own in restaurants etc...why would a man not undergoing gender reassignment want to put himself in a position where is intentions could be misinterpreted.
I would view any man that feels the need to use women's toilets with suspicion...they are separate for a reason, why should I feel uncomfortable in a female toilet? |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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" we always use the ladies toilets as is our legal right under the equal rights/sex discrimination act now combined, if we are in public presenting as female then we are entitled to use the facilities that have been set aside for females, however, like any facility it is entirely at the managements discretion who they allow to use them, xxx "
I don't think that's true for transvestites, who have no rights in law. People under diagnosis by their GP do have rights.
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yes it's true sara, we can't be discriminated against, how many people here have used disabled toilets even though they are clearly not disabled???
The view that "men" who linger in "female" toilets are doing it for sexual kicks is quite abhorrent to me and entirely alien, none of my friends do it to wait in one of the cubicles for a child to come in so we can molest them, how sad that even today we are seeing this kind of neanderthal thinking |
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well as I said, most of the establishments in the gay areas of the cities and towns around our country are unisex toilets, it may interest you to know that in Denmark where I live some of the time, there are unisex changing rooms in every store, they don't see the need to separate people and it's a breath of fresh air. |
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"Hi All,
Just wondering if we can get a general opinion of which Toilet a CD/TV should use when out in public?"
learnt this week that main MOD (and therefore possibly other civil service facilities) do have Transgender facilities - as both the men AND the women were uncomfortable them being in the area at same time |
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"Hi All,
Just wondering if we can get a general opinion of which Toilet a CD/TV should use when out in public?
learnt this week that main MOD (and therefore possibly other civil service facilities) do have Transgender facilities - as both the men AND the women were uncomfortable them being in the area at same time"
That's the saddest thing I have heard, we're not fecking sick perverts and i'm so fed up of the sweeping generalisations that some people seem to be making about us, of all the people in all the world I would have expected the swinging community to be the most tolerant, am I wrong in that assumption as well??? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Gender neutral toilets would be great , how many other parants / guardians have been worried sick when children get to an age where going to loo with parent of opposite sex becomes embarrassing. My brother once took my daughter who was 7 at time to the zoo he was a wreck when she needed to go loo and he had to let her go in alone. |
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"Hi All,
Just wondering if we can get a general opinion of which Toilet a CD/TV should use when out in public?
How many of you have an opinion or would be offended?
Please take the time to answer this one. I really am interested.
Frankie"
Dressed...in the toilet of the gender they are dressed as...
Never been offended, and would defend the right of any tv/cd/ts against anyone whose hang ups caused them to claim offence. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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if your convincing then just use the female loos!! if not maybe a chat with the person in charge?
or piss up the wall outside still got male bits!!
Katy Xx |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This thread as been really interesting..what we need is gender neutral toilets...this would solve a few problems, but i suspect a few would object 
works in france."
Years ago went to belgium beer festival , first time went to the toilet worked out which was which by watching who went in where then went in the ladies door only to be met by a mixture of male and female. Did make me giggle. |
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"That's the saddest thing I have heard, we're not fecking sick perverts and i'm so fed up of the sweeping generalisations that some people seem to be making about us, of all the people in all the world I would have expected the swinging community to be the most tolerant, am I wrong in that assumption as well???"
excuse me .. was not saying was right or wrong .. was reporting on what and 'alleged' reasons why ... so take it up withe civil service please ! |
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"That's the saddest thing I have heard, we're not fecking sick perverts and i'm so fed up of the sweeping generalisations that some people seem to be making about us, of all the people in all the world I would have expected the swinging community to be the most tolerant, am I wrong in that assumption as well???
excuse me .. was not saying was right or wrong .. was reporting on what and 'alleged' reasons why ... so take it up withe civil service please ! "
was not aiming the accusations at you hun, just was shocked at your news, x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"yes it's true sara, we can't be discriminated against, how many people here have used disabled toilets even though they are clearly not disabled???
The view that "men" who linger in "female" toilets are doing it for sexual kicks is quite abhorrent to me and entirely alien, none of my friends do it to wait in one of the cubicles for a child to come in so we can molest them, how sad that even today we are seeing this kind of neanderthal thinking"
as a parent and probably speak for many others, i would not want a man, regardless of how he wishes to dress in the same toilet as my young daughter. That's also a subject i should not have to speak about to a young child and explain about - when such an unconvincing cd decides to use a female toilet.
not having a go to anyone but its my opinion. x |
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was not aiming the accusations at you hun, just was shocked at your news, x "
noted, but you stated that you thought the swinging community would be more tolerant = yet my post was about the vanilla world , but which I thought was relevant to this discussion ...
it made no assumption that any swingers - TV friendly or not - were complicit to that (if true*) policy
* fact they HAVE transgender loo's, UNCONFIRMED its because other employee's uncomfortable |
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"yes it's true sara, we can't be discriminated against, how many people here have used disabled toilets even though they are clearly not disabled???
The view that "men" who linger in "female" toilets are doing it for sexual kicks is quite abhorrent to me and entirely alien, none of my friends do it to wait in one of the cubicles for a child to come in so we can molest them, how sad that even today we are seeing this kind of neanderthal thinking
as a parent and probably speak for many others, i would not want a man, regardless of how he wishes to dress in the same toilet as my young daughter. That's also a subject i should not have to speak about to a young child and explain about - when such an unconvincing cd decides to use a female toilet.
not having a go to anyone but its my opinion. x"
Would you like to explain to me what you think this unconvincing cd is thinking of in the toilet then???? are you assuming he is a sick pervert seeking to molest young girls??? I'm awfully sorry but you obviously have no idea what drives people like me to do what I do, I would prefer that instead of just condemning all of us as what you seem to believe are paedophiles you should learn more about the realities of transgenderism and transvestism. |
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"yes it's true sara, we can't be discriminated against, how many people here have used disabled toilets even though they are clearly not disabled???
The view that "men" who linger in "female" toilets are doing it for sexual kicks is quite abhorrent to me and entirely alien, none of my friends do it to wait in one of the cubicles for a child to come in so we can molest them, how sad that even today we are seeing this kind of neanderthal thinking
as a parent and probably speak for many others, i would not want a man, regardless of how he wishes to dress in the same toilet as my young daughter. That's also a subject i should not have to speak about to a young child and explain about - when such an unconvincing cd decides to use a female toilet.
not having a go to anyone but its my opinion. x
Would you like to explain to me what you think this unconvincing cd is thinking of in the toilet then???? are you assuming he is a sick pervert seeking to molest young girls??? I'm awfully sorry but you obviously have no idea what drives people like me to do what I do, I would prefer that instead of just condemning all of us as what you seem to believe are paedophiles you should learn more about the realities of transgenderism and transvestism."
Not once did i mention pedophiles!! All i said was i wouldn't feel comfortable with a man in a toilet where my daughter needed to be.....maybe you need to jump off your horse and stop delving into things that arnt there!! |
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why wouldn't you feel comfortable was my question??? what is it you think we are doing???, I don't understand why you think it is wrong for any person to be in the same room as you and your daughter???
I don't ride horses by the way. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I remember once going clubbing and out male toilets being invaded by women as theirs were out of order...I didnt complain
Personally unless you are living as a woman then I would say the ladies
but if it s for fancy dress then defo the gents
I dont think they have a inbetweeners yet |
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"why wouldn't you feel comfortable was my question??? what is it you think we are doing???, I don't understand why you think it is wrong for any person to be in the same room as you and your daughter???
I don't ride horses by the way."
i don't agree with a male in the same room as my daughter when she needs to go to the toilet. 'same room' also wasn't in question. there's a difference in rooms too. i also shouldn't have to explain your decision to a young girl!
I didn't say you rode horses either!
Why are you still talking to me anyway if im so sad and ill informed?!!
Its my opinion and im entitled to it! |
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It's my opinion that your opinion is based on ill informed prejudice, exactly what do you think a t-girl will be doing in a female toilet? well I can tell you I am there to urinate and fix my hair and make up just like all the other people in there, and nothing more than that, if that makes you uncomfortable then you'll just have to learn to live with it because I will carry on using them as long as the law is on my side.
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By *elvin Man
over a year ago
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"why wouldn't you feel comfortable was my question??? what is it you think we are doing???, I don't understand why you think it is wrong for any person to be in the same room as you and your daughter???
I don't ride horses by the way.
i don't agree with a male in the same room as my daughter when she needs to go to the toilet. 'same room' also wasn't in question. there's a difference in rooms too. i also shouldn't have to explain your decision to a young girl!
I didn't say you rode horses either!
Why are you still talking to me anyway if im so sad and ill informed?!!
Its my opinion and im entitled to it! "
first of all i will say that i do apretiate your point of vew one thing i will point out is that you havnt realy thought of the CD/TV it should not mater if they are convincing or not it should mater if they feel safe. i live two lives; at work im a man and know full well that i would get abuse from my work mates if they knew i was bi and can only imagine wot would happen if they found out that i cross dress, when i finaly had the guts to where a dress to go to the shops i had alot of bause when i used the mens loo as such if im out in a club i will only ever use the womens unless its my local and i know im safe there. so next time you wont to say someting please think twice |
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"yes it's true sara, we can't be discriminated against, how many people here have used disabled toilets even though they are clearly not disabled???
The view that "men" who linger in "female" toilets are doing it for sexual kicks is quite abhorrent to me and entirely alien, none of my friends do it to wait in one of the cubicles for a child to come in so we can molest them, how sad that even today we are seeing this kind of neanderthal thinking"
Is that other people's thinking or yours?
Whichever side of the arguement someone is on, to have the view of "I don't do it so it's alright and fuck everyone else" (in so many words) is a bit narrow minded to say the least.
The thread, unless I read it wrong, was not just about pubs and clubs, but about public toilets generally. It wasn't just about transgender, it's about TV's, CD's and pretty much any bloke in a frock.
I can understand why an awful lot of society would be concerned if it was common practice for men, after a dab of No7 and a trip to Dorothy Perkins, to be allowed free access to any ladies public toilet.... can't you? |
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"yes it's true sara, we can't be discriminated against, how many people here have used disabled toilets even though they are clearly not disabled???
The view that "men" who linger in "female" toilets are doing it for sexual kicks is quite abhorrent to me and entirely alien, none of my friends do it to wait in one of the cubicles for a child to come in so we can molest them, how sad that even today we are seeing this kind of neanderthal thinking
Is that other people's thinking or yours?
Whichever side of the arguement someone is on, to have the view of "I don't do it so it's alright and fuck everyone else" (in so many words) is a bit narrow minded to say the least.
The thread, unless I read it wrong, was not just about pubs and clubs, but about public toilets generally. It wasn't just about transgender, it's about TV's, CD's and pretty much any bloke in a frock.
I can understand why an awful lot of society would be concerned if it was common practice for men, after a dab of No7 and a trip to Dorothy Perkins, to be allowed free access to any ladies public toilet.... can't you?"
No7 ? WOW .. i just use them for No2's
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"yes it's true sara, we can't be discriminated against, how many people here have used disabled toilets even though they are clearly not disabled???
The view that "men" who linger in "female" toilets are doing it for sexual kicks is quite abhorrent to me and entirely alien, none of my friends do it to wait in one of the cubicles for a child to come in so we can molest them, how sad that even today we are seeing this kind of neanderthal thinking
as a parent and probably speak for many others, i would not want a man, regardless of how he wishes to dress in the same toilet as my young daughter. That's also a subject i should not have to speak about to a young child and explain about - when such an unconvincing cd decides to use a female toilet.
not having a go to anyone but its my opinion. x
Would you like to explain to me what you think this unconvincing cd is thinking of in the toilet then???? are you assuming he is a sick pervert seeking to molest young girls??? I'm awfully sorry but you obviously have no idea what drives people like me to do what I do, I would prefer that instead of just condemning all of us as what you seem to believe are paedophiles you should learn more about the realities of transgenderism and transvestism.
Not once did i mention pedophiles!! All i said was i wouldn't feel comfortable with a man in a toilet where my daughter needed to be.....maybe you need to jump off your horse and stop delving into things that arnt there!!"
So if i was taking my son into the toilet would you feel uncomfortable, after all he had male gentials?
At what age does your discomfort become apparent...and can you in any way differentiate it from prejudice?
here is a suggestion, you say to your daughter some people like to dress in certain ways, the way i explained transvestism to my boys when they watched american idol,
you know what...kids are far less bigoted and prejudiced than you...
For other parents who want open minded, happy kids may i suggest "the boy who went to school in a dress" by david walliams...my eldests book report on it was printed in the TES and is part of anti bullying week now...
The great thing about talking to your kids is they learn |
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"yes it's true sara, we can't be discriminated against, how many people here have used disabled toilets even though they are clearly not disabled???
The view that "men" who linger in "female" toilets are doing it for sexual kicks is quite abhorrent to me and entirely alien, none of my friends do it to wait in one of the cubicles for a child to come in so we can molest them, how sad that even today we are seeing this kind of neanderthal thinking
Is that other people's thinking or yours?
Whichever side of the arguement someone is on, to have the view of "I don't do it so it's alright and fuck everyone else" (in so many words) is a bit narrow minded to say the least.
The thread, unless I read it wrong, was not just about pubs and clubs, but about public toilets generally. It wasn't just about transgender, it's about TV's, CD's and pretty much any bloke in a frock.
I can understand why an awful lot of society would be concerned if it was common practice for men, after a dab of No7 and a trip to Dorothy Perkins, to be allowed free access to any ladies public toilet.... can't you?"
yes, doesnt make it right though...you go to toilets to piss and shit...does the gender of the other people there really matter? |
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"I'm not bothered generally especially in swinging clubs and 'friendly' pubs, however I can understand why some people would be bothered in some public places.
If you live as a woman, dress like a woman and feel like a woman... womens loos it is.
The dodgy ground is men who dress as women from time to time. Nothing against CD's and what I am about to say is not aimed at them at all, but what is to stop some perve putting on a bit of lippy so they can hang around in women's public toilets....... where the children are. The d*unken stag do has already been mentioned. A man in a frock is still a man at the end of the day.
I do have every empathy that sometimes it is just less hassle for a CD to use the ladies....... but I am also concerned over the implications of other people taking advantage of tollerance.
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"yes it's true sara, we can't be discriminated against, how many people here have used disabled toilets even though they are clearly not disabled???
The view that "men" who linger in "female" toilets are doing it for sexual kicks is quite abhorrent to me and entirely alien, none of my friends do it to wait in one of the cubicles for a child to come in so we can molest them, how sad that even today we are seeing this kind of neanderthal thinking
Is that other people's thinking or yours?
Whichever side of the arguement someone is on, to have the view of "I don't do it so it's alright and fuck everyone else" (in so many words) is a bit narrow minded to say the least.
The thread, unless I read it wrong, was not just about pubs and clubs, but about public toilets generally. It wasn't just about transgender, it's about TV's, CD's and pretty much any bloke in a frock.
I can understand why an awful lot of society would be concerned if it was common practice for men, after a dab of No7 and a trip to Dorothy Perkins, to be allowed free access to any ladies public toilet.... can't you?
yes, doesnt make it right though...you go to toilets to piss and shit...does the gender of the other people there really matter?"
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"I'm not bothered generally especially in swinging clubs and 'friendly' pubs, however I can understand why some people would be bothered in some public places.
If you live as a woman, dress like a woman and feel like a woman... womens loos it is.
The dodgy ground is men who dress as women from time to time. Nothing against CD's and what I am about to say is not aimed at them at all, but what is to stop some perve putting on a bit of lippy so they can hang around in women's public toilets....... where the children are. The d*unken stag do has already been mentioned. A man in a frock is still a man at the end of the day.
I do have every empathy that sometimes it is just less hassle for a CD to use the ladies....... but I am also concerned over the implications of other people taking advantage of tollerance.
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"yes it's true sara, we can't be discriminated against, how many people here have used disabled toilets even though they are clearly not disabled???
The view that "men" who linger in "female" toilets are doing it for sexual kicks is quite abhorrent to me and entirely alien, none of my friends do it to wait in one of the cubicles for a child to come in so we can molest them, how sad that even today we are seeing this kind of neanderthal thinking
Is that other people's thinking or yours?
Whichever side of the arguement someone is on, to have the view of "I don't do it so it's alright and fuck everyone else" (in so many words) is a bit narrow minded to say the least.
The thread, unless I read it wrong, was not just about pubs and clubs, but about public toilets generally. It wasn't just about transgender, it's about TV's, CD's and pretty much any bloke in a frock.
I can understand why an awful lot of society would be concerned if it was common practice for men, after a dab of No7 and a trip to Dorothy Perkins, to be allowed free access to any ladies public toilet.... can't you?
yes, doesnt make it right though...you go to toilets to piss and shit...does the gender of the other people there really matter?
In our society... yes it does. It's the reason there are male and female toilets."
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"I'm not bothered generally especially in swinging clubs and 'friendly' pubs, however I can understand why some people would be bothered in some public places.
If you live as a woman, dress like a woman and feel like a woman... womens loos it is.
The dodgy ground is men who dress as women from time to time. Nothing against CD's and what I am about to say is not aimed at them at all, but what is to stop some perve putting on a bit of lippy so they can hang around in women's public toilets....... where the children are. The d*unken stag do has already been mentioned. A man in a frock is still a man at the end of the day.
I do have every empathy that sometimes it is just less hassle for a CD to use the ladies....... but I am also concerned over the implications of other people taking advantage of tollerance.
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seriously how often is this likely to happen....in my opinion far less than pissed women use the mens without any complaint"
Actually that pisses me off far more than the other way around.
The only saving grace is it tends to happen when the men are pissed too.
Aside from that, it's highly unlikey anyone would take a man's complaint seriously......... which also pisses me off.
If some ugly old perve of a man came into a womans toilet to cop an eyefull of minge all hell would break lose... yet men are expected to put up and shut up when some pissed hag wants to wander past men having a piss. |
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"yes it's true sara, we can't be discriminated against, how many people here have used disabled toilets even though they are clearly not disabled???
The view that "men" who linger in "female" toilets are doing it for sexual kicks is quite abhorrent to me and entirely alien, none of my friends do it to wait in one of the cubicles for a child to come in so we can molest them, how sad that even today we are seeing this kind of neanderthal thinking
Is that other people's thinking or yours?
Whichever side of the arguement someone is on, to have the view of "I don't do it so it's alright and fuck everyone else" (in so many words) is a bit narrow minded to say the least.
The thread, unless I read it wrong, was not just about pubs and clubs, but about public toilets generally. It wasn't just about transgender, it's about TV's, CD's and pretty much any bloke in a frock.
I can understand why an awful lot of society would be concerned if it was common practice for men, after a dab of No7 and a trip to Dorothy Perkins, to be allowed free access to any ladies public toilet.... can't you?
yes, doesnt make it right though...you go to toilets to piss and shit...does the gender of the other people there really matter?
In our society... yes it does. It's the reason there are male and female toilets.
Toilets until the 19th century were unisex...our society is not a great reason to defend an idea based on female weakness and the fact us delicate little flowers might faint if we saw male genitalia. Which in cubicles wouldnt happen anyway"
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"I'm not bothered generally especially in swinging clubs and 'friendly' pubs, however I can understand why some people would be bothered in some public places.
If you live as a woman, dress like a woman and feel like a woman... womens loos it is.
The dodgy ground is men who dress as women from time to time. Nothing against CD's and what I am about to say is not aimed at them at all, but what is to stop some perve putting on a bit of lippy so they can hang around in women's public toilets....... where the children are. The d*unken stag do has already been mentioned. A man in a frock is still a man at the end of the day.
I do have every empathy that sometimes it is just less hassle for a CD to use the ladies....... but I am also concerned over the implications of other people taking advantage of tollerance.
agree with this
seriously how often is this likely to happen....in my opinion far less than pissed women use the mens without any complaint"
If we are talking pubs and clubs at night, then there is no problem.
Yes i have went to the men toilets when out clubbing and desperate for a pee and the queue in the womens is a mile long.
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"I haven't read this thread, but I only have one comment.....
Does it matter?
Have you got kids George..? "
my sister has kids and she thinks its wrong im not exepted as a CD/TV (call it wot you like) in todays sociaty wich is one i fight to defend, i dont feel safe in male toilets if im in a dress so wot should i do? |
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"yes it's true sara, we can't be discriminated against, how many people here have used disabled toilets even though they are clearly not disabled???
The view that "men" who linger in "female" toilets are doing it for sexual kicks is quite abhorrent to me and entirely alien, none of my friends do it to wait in one of the cubicles for a child to come in so we can molest them, how sad that even today we are seeing this kind of neanderthal thinking
Is that other people's thinking or yours?
Whichever side of the arguement someone is on, to have the view of "I don't do it so it's alright and fuck everyone else" (in so many words) is a bit narrow minded to say the least.
The thread, unless I read it wrong, was not just about pubs and clubs, but about public toilets generally. It wasn't just about transgender, it's about TV's, CD's and pretty much any bloke in a frock.
I can understand why an awful lot of society would be concerned if it was common practice for men, after a dab of No7 and a trip to Dorothy Perkins, to be allowed free access to any ladies public toilet.... can't you?
yes, doesnt make it right though...you go to toilets to piss and shit...does the gender of the other people there really matter?
In our society... yes it does. It's the reason there are male and female toilets.
Toilets until the 19th century were unisex...our society is not a great reason to defend an idea based on female weakness and the fact us delicate little flowers might faint if we saw male genitalia. Which in cubicles wouldnt happen anyway"
I for one dont think it has anything to do with "A being a delicate little flower" I have 2 girls and when they where growing up I for one didnt want them to be open to anything that i thought was innapropiae for their age, wether it be tv/ts to the male genitalia in general.
And yes I do think it can be open to abuse from the SMALL majority.
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"I haven't read this thread, but I only have one comment.....
Does it matter?
Have you got kids George..?
my sister has kids and she thinks its wrong im not exepted as a CD/TV (call it wot you like) in todays sociaty wich is one i fight to defend, i dont feel safe in male toilets if im in a dress so wot should i do?"
Sorry i was justgoing to explain to George , if he had bothered to read the thread , that most of the argument seems to be based on the ambarassment that might be caused if kids . are in the toilets too, however may i just say at this point , i do get a bit uncomfy these days when i see a bloke come into the gents with his daughter , and they for some reason leave the cubicle door open , now , i had a daughter and a son , and to tell you the truth , i've never been in the situation of noticing a TV /TS , in the gents , so , i'm outer here ...goosd luck ... |
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By *elvin Man
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"I haven't read this thread, but I only have one comment.....
Does it matter?
Have you got kids George..?
my sister has kids and she thinks its wrong im not exepted as a CD/TV (call it wot you like) in todays sociaty wich is one i fight to defend, i dont feel safe in male toilets if im in a dress so wot should i do?
Sorry i was justgoing to explain to George , if he had bothered to read the thread , that most of the argument seems to be based on the ambarassment that might be caused if kids . are in the toilets too, however may i just say at this point , i do get a bit uncomfy these days when i see a bloke come into the gents with his daughter , and they for some reason leave the cubicle door open , now , i had a daughter and a son , and to tell you the truth , i've never been in the situation of noticing a TV /TS , in the gents , so , i'm outer here ...goosd luck ... "
its ok i thank you for your responce to tell the truth i always go into the womens when im out on the town and i shut and lock the door its the only way i feel safe i dont care wether or not i get funny looks i just dont wont any abuse |
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My presumption was that is a TV/TS/CD or whatever were to walk into a gents toilet (which I very much doubt they would, if they were wearing a dress) they would be unlikely to hoik back the gusset and use the trough.....
Is the embarrasment about explaining what a TV/TS/CD (or whatever) is? If so, that would be a situation anywhere.....
And yes, I do have a little boy. I would explain to him that there are many strange and wonderful things in heaven and on earth, not everything meets the eye.
I used to laugh as TV/TS/CD's, one used to regularly walk into the supermarket on a Saturday morning (the dresses were fairly convincing, but the fact that he seemed to lazy to shave gave the game away), but having worked in the Civil Service and sharing my cigarette breaks with 'a person of mixed sexuality' got me used to him/her as a person and now it's water off a ducks back.
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I don't think your "I've a right to use which loos I choose" position does you any favours at all Ruby.
Again, legally a transvestite has no right to use toilets designed for the opposite sex, least not here anyway.
Some who is diagnosed as transgender does have protection in law.
The issue comes down to one of pragmatism and common sense, and ought to be determined by how easy the person blends in to their acquired gender.
In places where you are likely to encounter children, e.g. in a shopping mall, it makes sense to use the disabled facilities as a first choice.
You can stand in the ladies and shout all you like about supposed rights. But I suspect you'll be the one the cops drag out, not the young mother who's been frightened witless and whom you think is infringing your rights.
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"My presumption was that is a TV/TS/CD or whatever were to walk into a gents toilet (which I very much doubt they would, if they were wearing a dress) they would be unlikely to hoik back the gusset and use the trough.....
Is the embarrasment about explaining what a TV/TS/CD (or whatever) is? If so, that would be a situation anywhere.....
And yes, I do have a little boy. I would explain to him that there are many strange and wonderful things in heaven and on earth, not everything meets the eye.
I used to laugh as TV/TS/CD's, one used to regularly walk into the supermarket on a Saturday morning (the dresses were fairly convincing, but the fact that he seemed to lazy to shave gave the game away), but having worked in the Civil Service and sharing my cigarette breaks with 'a person of mixed sexuality' got me used to him/her as a person and now it's water off a ducks back.
Were people as worried about explaining questions of race, religion or ethnicity 30 years ago?"
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I don't think your "I've a right to use which loos I choose" position does you any favours at all Ruby.
Again, legally a transvestite has no right to use toilets designed for the opposite sex, least not here anyway.
Some who is diagnosed as transgender does have protection in law.
The issue comes down to one of pragmatism and common sense, and ought to be determined by how easy the person blends in to their acquired gender.
In places where you are likely to encounter children, e.g. in a shopping mall, it makes sense to use the disabled facilities as a first choice.
You can stand in the ladies and shout all you like about supposed rights. But I suspect you'll be the one the cops drag out, not the young mother who's been frightened witless and whom you think is infringing your rights.
Confrontation achieves nothing, except resentment."
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"This thread as been really interesting..what we need is gender neutral toilets...this would solve a few problems, but i suspect a few would object
works in france."
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"yes it's true sara, we can't be discriminated against, how many people here have used disabled toilets even though they are clearly not disabled???
The view that "men" who linger in "female" toilets are doing it for sexual kicks is quite abhorrent to me and entirely alien, none of my friends do it to wait in one of the cubicles for a child to come in so we can molest them, how sad that even today we are seeing this kind of neanderthal thinking
Is that other people's thinking or yours?
Whichever side of the arguement someone is on, to have the view of "I don't do it so it's alright and fuck everyone else" (in so many words) is a bit narrow minded to say the least.
The thread, unless I read it wrong, was not just about pubs and clubs, but about public toilets generally. It wasn't just about transgender, it's about TV's, CD's and pretty much any bloke in a frock.
I can understand why an awful lot of society would be concerned if it was common practice for men, after a dab of No7 and a trip to Dorothy Perkins, to be allowed free access to any ladies public toilet.... can't you?"
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"yes it's true sara, we can't be discriminated against, how many people here have used disabled toilets even though they are clearly not disabled???
The view that "men" who linger in "female" toilets are doing it for sexual kicks is quite abhorrent to me and entirely alien, none of my friends do it to wait in one of the cubicles for a child to come in so we can molest them, how sad that even today we are seeing this kind of neanderthal thinking
Is that other people's thinking or yours?
Whichever side of the arguement someone is on, to have the view of "I don't do it so it's alright and fuck everyone else" (in so many words) is a bit narrow minded to say the least.
The thread, unless I read it wrong, was not just about pubs and clubs, but about public toilets generally. It wasn't just about transgender, it's about TV's, CD's and pretty much any bloke in a frock.
I can understand why an awful lot of society would be concerned if it was common practice for men, after a dab of No7 and a trip to Dorothy Perkins, to be allowed free access to any ladies public toilet.... can't you?
yes, doesnt make it right though...you go to toilets to piss and shit...does the gender of the other people there really matter?
In our society... yes it does. It's the reason there are male and female toilets.
Toilets until the 19th century were unisex...our society is not a great reason to defend an idea based on female weakness and the fact us delicate little flowers might faint if we saw male genitalia. Which in cubicles wouldnt happen anyway
I for one dont think it has anything to do with "A being a delicate little flower" I have 2 girls and when they where growing up I for one didnt want them to be open to anything that i thought was innapropiae for their age, wether it be tv/ts to the male genitalia in general.
And yes I do think it can be open to abuse from the SMALL majority.
As a parent I will do anything to protect my chldren."
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I don't think your "I've a right to use which loos I choose" position does you any favours at all Ruby.
Again, legally a transvestite has no right to use toilets designed for the opposite sex, least not here anyway.
Some who is diagnosed as transgender does have protection in law.
The issue comes down to one of pragmatism and common sense, and ought to be determined by how easy the person blends in to their acquired gender.
In places where you are likely to encounter children, e.g. in a shopping mall, it makes sense to use the disabled facilities as a first choice.
You can stand in the ladies and shout all you like about supposed rights. But I suspect you'll be the one the cops drag out, not the young mother who's been frightened witless and whom you think is infringing your rights.
Confrontation achieves nothing, except resentment."
Sounds like common sense to me
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I don't think your "I've a right to use which loos I choose" position does you any favours at all Ruby.
Again, legally a transvestite has no right to use toilets designed for the opposite sex, least not here anyway.
Some who is diagnosed as transgender does have protection in law.
The issue comes down to one of pragmatism and common sense, and ought to be determined by how easy the person blends in to their acquired gender.
In places where you are likely to encounter children, e.g. in a shopping mall, it makes sense to use the disabled facilities as a first choice.
You can stand in the ladies and shout all you like about supposed rights. But I suspect you'll be the one the cops drag out, not the young mother who's been frightened witless and whom you think is infringing your rights.
Confrontation achieves nothing, except resentment."
In this situation every user of the loos rights should be considered. In an adult venue (pub, night club, swingers club) then by all means use the facilities you feel most comfortable in. But in non-adult venues (shopping centres, hospitals, leisure centres) surely the disabled facilities being gender neutral are the way to go to avoid embarrassment and confrontations. |
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If society were to compromise for the self interest of a few selfish individual who feel their "rights" out-weigh the "rights" of all those women and children who might feel intimidated by their behaviour and actions.
We could easily arrive with another situation where defending of rights of people intent on wrong doing bite us firmly on the arse again,,,
For example with so much androgynous clothing available these days….!. What’s to stop any bloke caught perving in female loo’s claiming he’s a crossdresser simply by proving his style of clothes are unisex……
Oh and perhaps guys who get their jollies wearing women’s undies beneath their male attire can also legitimately claim to be crossdressers and rightfully lobe their cocks out in public toilets where previously only women or young girls where allowed to enter . Eh? ………
Duh. Silly me……. Hey I know what !!!, all we need to do, is employ bold signage at the entrance of all public loo’s detailing a strict dress code that doesn’t allow for any ambiguity on the style of clothing worn by wouldbe entrants...... Oo'er and perhaps a magic soul searching mirror that will only allow harmless convincing trannies to enter ! ……….
Or perhaps a it would just be easier to hang a sign saying “fuck the rights of women and children who object!!!”
FFS……Hey not every tranny wears flowery skirts and pounces around reeking of Lily in the Valley claiming “I’m a lady”……
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If society were to compromise for the self interest of a few selfish individual who feel their "rights" out-weigh the "rights" of all those women and children who might feel intimidated by their behaviour and actions.
We could easily arrive with another situation where defending of rights of people intent on wrong doing bite us firmly on the arse again,,,
For example with so much androgynous clothing available these days….!. What’s to stop any bloke caught perving in female loo’s claiming he’s a crossdresser simply by proving his style of clothes are unisex……
Oh and perhaps guys who get their jollies wearing women’s undies beneath their male attire can also legitimately claim to be crossdressers and rightfully lobe their cocks out in public toilets where previously only women or young girls where allowed to enter . Eh? ………
Duh. Silly me……. Hey I know what !!!, all we need to do, is employ bold signage at the entrance of all public loo’s detailing a strict dress code that doesn’t allow for any ambiguity on the style of clothing worn by wouldbe entrants...... Oo'er and perhaps a magic soul searching mirror that will only allow harmless convincing trannies to enter ! ……….
Or perhaps a it would just be easier to hang a sign saying “fuck the rights of women and children who object!!!”
FFS……Hey not every tranny wears flowery skirts and pounces around reeking of Lily in the Valley claiming “I’m a lady”……
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In my opinion you should only use what gender toilets you were born with, for that is what you are.
I know some say it depends on how convincing they are, but from what I have seen I don't think I have seen one single CD\TV on here or out and about that I could ever mistake for being a woman.
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I don't think your "I've a right to use which loos I choose" position does you any favours at all Ruby.
Again, legally a transvestite has no right to use toilets designed for the opposite sex, least not here anyway.
Some who is diagnosed as transgender does have protection in law.
The issue comes down to one of pragmatism and common sense, and ought to be determined by how easy the person blends in to their acquired gender.
In places where you are likely to encounter children, e.g. in a shopping mall, it makes sense to use the disabled facilities as a first choice.
You can stand in the ladies and shout all you like about supposed rights. But I suspect you'll be the one the cops drag out, not the young mother who's been frightened witless and whom you think is infringing your rights.
Confrontation achieves nothing, except resentment."
Sara I haven't said the quote you accused me of so please don't put words into my mouth.
Legally you have to live as a woman before you get the diagnosis and subsequent help from the medical establishment if you are transgender so how do these people in the half way house fare???
Most of my transgender friends avoid public toilets if we are out in everyday life during the days.
I don't stand in the ladies shouting, I go in to urinate, fix my make up and get out of there to join my friends having fun again, so please don't assume anything else about me.
I haven't seen anyone write any remarks about herm_phrodites of whom i know 2 personally where are these people supposed to go to relieve themselves???
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The view that "men" who linger in "female" toilets are doing it for sexual kicks is quite abhorrent to me and entirely alien, none of my friends do it to wait in one of the cubicles for a child to come in so we can molest them, how sad that even today we are seeing this kind of neanderthal thinking
Is that other people's thinking or yours?
Whichever side of the arguement someone is on, to have the view of "I don't do it so it's alright and fuck everyone else" (in so many words) is a bit narrow minded to say the least.
The thread, unless I read it wrong, was not just about pubs and clubs, but about public toilets generally. It wasn't just about transgender, it's about TV's, CD's and pretty much any bloke in a frock.
I can understand why an awful lot of society would be concerned if it was common practice for men, after a dab of No7 and a trip to Dorothy Perkins, to be allowed free access to any ladies public toilet.... can't you?
yes, doesnt make it right though...you go to toilets to piss and shit...does the gender of the other people there really matter?
In our society... yes it does. It's the reason there are male and female toilets.
Toilets until the 19th century were unisex...our society is not a great reason to defend an idea based on female weakness and the fact us delicate little flowers might faint if we saw male genitalia. Which in cubicles wouldnt happen anyway
I for one dont think it has anything to do with "A being a delicate little flower" I have 2 girls and when they where growing up I for one didnt want them to be open to anything that i thought was innapropiae for their age, wether it be tv/ts to the male genitalia in general.
And yes I do think it can be open to abuse from the SMALL majority.
As a parent I will do anything to protect my chldren."
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Or perhaps a it would just be easier to hang a sign saying “fuck the rights of women and children who object!!!”
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Children dont object until there mothers put these thoughts into there heads
How do mothers cope in countrys that have urinals in the streets?
Which has to be a better option that what we currantly have here on a friday & Sat where you permenantly poddling though gents piss in our city centres?
What do mothers say when they drive through the countryside and it seems every layby has a bloke pissing into a hedge?
In general the majority of men ar GOOD, not evil.
Would you have wanted you kid pissing in a loo with Rosemary West? Happily broke her own kids in?
My local town now has unisex loo with a urinal room on the end.
Reading this has made me realise that its the one GOOD thing the council has done. (gosh, i hate saying that) |
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Or perhaps a it would just be easier to hang a sign saying “fuck the rights of women and children who object!!!”
Children dont object until there mothers put these thoughts into there heads
How do mothers cope in countrys that have urinals in the streets?
Which has to be a better option that what we currantly have here on a friday & Sat where you permenantly poddling though gents piss in our city centres?
What do mothers say when they drive through the countryside and it seems every layby has a bloke pissing into a hedge?
In general the majority of men ar GOOD, not evil.
Would you have wanted you kid pissing in a loo with Rosemary West? Happily broke her own kids in?
My local town now has unisex loo with a urinal room on the end.
Reading this has made me realise that its the one GOOD thing the council has done. (gosh, i hate saying that)"
When people start crying "Will no one think of the children" then i know there next comment is likely to be straight from the Daily Mail big book of prejudice.
Kids are born openminded and tolerant. If the child sees a man in a dress they are not likely to notice, if they do, then the simple reply of he likes wearing dresses works.
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"Hi All,
Just wondering if we can get a general opinion of which Toilet a CD/TV should use when out in public?
How many of you have an opinion or would be offended? "
I wouldn't dream of saying what I think someone else "should" or "shouldn't" do. Personally, I wouldn't be at all offended if a CD/TV used the ladies, and my opinion is that CDs/TVs should feel free to use whichever loos they feel most comfortable with at the time.
Admittedly, it is easier to be open-minded in pubs/nightclubs/swingers clubs than it is in public places where children are present (I guess the local swimming pool is a nightmare!) But all the CDs/TVs I have met have been charming and respectful people, and I trust them to be discreet and go as far as possible to avoid causing any upset to members of the public |
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"Hi All,
Just wondering if we can get a general opinion of which Toilet a CD/TV should use when out in public?
How many of you have an opinion or would be offended?
Please take the time to answer this one. I really am interested.
Frankie"
Crikey this has gotten more heated than I would have expected! Personally, I would have no issues with whoever choses to use which toilets so long as they leave me to do my business in my cubicle in peace!!
I can understand why a TV/TS/CD would feel safer, or just more comfortable, in the ladies than the gents. However, I can understand the concerns of having people taking advantage of that where children are concerned. In reality I think this would be a minimal risk, and to some extent would question allowing a young child to go to the toilet alone in a public place where the situation could be taken advantage of. I don't have children, but I do have a young niece and I would take her to the toilet in a public place not let her go alone...although I guess as she gets older this will change.
I do think that the embarrassment of explaining why some men wear dresses is more on the parents side than the childs. Children are curious and will ask questions, but making a 'fuss' over such a situation will only make a child think that something is wrong, when it isn't. If the parent can accept that there is nothing wrong with being a TV/TS/CD then a child will accept that this is ok...maybe not 'the norm' (whatever that is!), but nothing to point and stare for. They would just accept it and carry on.
I do think there is a double standard when women use the gents, but guys can't use the ladies...but that seems to be the case with so many things. Equality should be just that and it does irritate me when some women do things a man would get grief for, or even kicked out of a pub for. I do think having unisex toilets where everyone uses a cubicle and so no genitals are on 'public' display at any point would save a lot of issues, both on the gender front, but also for the single dads with young daughters who must have a similar dilemma when they're out and about but that's not going to happen anytime soon!
Not sure about using the disabled loo though. I know that solves the gender issue, but then what about the poor guy in a wheelchair with his legs crossed whilst waiting for someone to fix their hair and make up! x |
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Or perhaps a it would just be easier to hang a sign saying “fuck the rights of women and children who object!!!”
Children dont object until there mothers put these thoughts into there heads
How do mothers cope in countrys that have urinals in the streets?
Which has to be a better option that what we currantly have here on a friday & Sat where you permenantly poddling though gents piss in our city centres?
What do mothers say when they drive through the countryside and it seems every layby has a bloke pissing into a hedge?
In general the majority of men ar GOOD, not evil.
Would you have wanted you kid pissing in a loo with Rosemary West? Happily broke her own kids in?
My local town now has unisex loo with a urinal room on the end.
Reading this has made me realise that its the one GOOD thing the council has done. (gosh, i hate saying that)"
Hmmmmm ,,,, perhaps I'm reading this wrong ....... But it appears that your amongst others suggesting all opinion is taught rather than created by individuals of all ages, who are able to balance their own moral reasoning by their own judgement on a given situation....
Also.... I'm pretty sure the majority of people commenting here are basing their judgements of the OP qusetion on what happen in this country and these same people "are" more than able to understand and accept, in other counties, things might be different.….!.
But hey, this is forums and people will always attempt to cherry-pick points for dissection in order to p igate areas of tangential argument or personal ideology ….!.
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I wonder how many dads would mind their 10 year old daughter having to use the same toilets as half a dozen pissheads on a stag weekend at the seaside.... whilst he had to stand outside.
As adults on a sex related site, I don't expect may to find the thought of a CD at a club being in the same toilets.... but think in the wider context of what it means to say 'it's OK for men dressed as women to use public toilets allocated for women'.
Think of some of your younger and older relatives or some of the people you know or work with who may be more reserved... do their feelings not count?
How many people would dress in some form of womens clothing to hang around in womens toilets if it was deemed OK or legal to do so? It's easy to assume not many, but the answer really is anyone who wants to be a cunt or has a motive which wouldn't cross our minds, which includes the minds of genuine TS/TV/CD's.
Who would burn a cat alive or beat up a 90 year old woman for their pension or set a house on fire with children sleeping in their beds or buy toys to attract the children they have been grooming or just beat people up for the hell of it for nothing more than walking down their street........ the answer is fucking 1000's when you think of all the shit which really does happen.... and those things are far from legal. So is it really so far fetched that making access to public toilets OK based on what you wear an accepted right, would bring out the dickheads, cunts and perves?
The Human Rights Act came about to protect the rights of the innocent.... yet its many loop holes are abused by those it never intended to protect and there is fuck all anyone can do about it.... so yeah, may be no one would abuse something so simples as which toilets you can use... in ya dreams!
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"Surely this demands a common sense approach - they should always use the gents, as that is where the glory holes will be "
Haha yip "Glory holes"....,,,,, now there's a thing which might tip the opinion of some of those liberal minded people who are happy for their kids to be exposed to the concept of all unisex facilities... .
Anyway,,,,,,…..Can I just say with my non-CD hat on…..
A big thank-you to the OP for raising a thread which has stimulated an enthusiastic and meaningful debate where many people of differing opinion have raised valid points and exchanged personal perspectives without it becoming a slanging-match…….!.
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Wow, What a huge response!
I would like to thank you all for your valued opinions.
The reason for my original question is that where I live there are very few pubs, clubs or restaurants that have a disabled/unisex toilet. I do get the need to use the toilet when out and about at night and never want to cause offence to anybody.
After reading your comments I will continue to use the cubicle in the gents, and i'm sorry guys but that is the best I can do. |
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"Wow, What a huge response!
I would like to thank you all for your valued opinions.
The reason for my original question is that where I live there are very few pubs, clubs or restaurants that have a disabled/unisex toilet. I do get the need to use the toilet when out and about at night and never want to cause offence to anybody.
After reading your comments I will continue to use the cubicle in the gents, and i'm sorry guys but that is the best I can do. "
Do you go to a few of the same places when you're out? Maybe speak to the staff/customers you know and see how they feel about it? x |
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"Hi All,
Just wondering if we can get a general opinion of which Toilet a CD/TV should use when out in public?
How many of you have an opinion or would be offended?
Please take the time to answer this one. I really am interested.
Frankie"
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im not bothered as not like i spend all night in a loo, up to the individual |
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"Wow, What a huge response!
I would like to thank you all for your valued opinions.
The reason for my original question is that where I live there are very few pubs, clubs or restaurants that have a disabled/unisex toilet. I do get the need to use the toilet when out and about at night and never want to cause offence to anybody.
After reading your comments I will continue to use the cubicle in the gents, and i'm sorry guys but that is the best I can do.
Do you go to a few of the same places when you're out? Maybe speak to the staff/customers you know and see how they feel about it? x"
I often go to the same places and the staff and customers I have spoken to are all very understanding and helpful, but I can't help but wonder if that is just politeness. |
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"Wow, What a huge response!
I would like to thank you all for your valued opinions.
The reason for my original question is that where I live there are very few pubs, clubs or restaurants that have a disabled/unisex toilet. I do get the need to use the toilet when out and about at night and never want to cause offence to anybody.
After reading your comments I will continue to use the cubicle in the gents, and i'm sorry guys but that is the best I can do.
Do you go to a few of the same places when you're out? Maybe speak to the staff/customers you know and see how they feel about it? x
I often go to the same places and the staff and customers I have spoken to are all very understanding and helpful, but I can't help but wonder if that is just politeness. "
Possibly, but I think you'd be able to guess from their reaction if they were being polite! They may say what they think you'll want to hear, but I'm sure you'd tell from the tone what their true feelings were. Just explain that you don't want to make anyone feel uncomfortable, but when nature calls you need to know where they would prefer you to answer that call. You never know, they may be surprised you have been using the gents but have just not known how to bring it up without causing offence x |
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And i will do anything to ensure mine are brought up open minded well adjusted adults."
Mine are well brought up and open minded, but I introduced certain things to them when i thought it was age appropiate and they could understand.
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Surely it depends.
An individual who is cross-dressing as part of a gender transition is a totally different situation to someone who is cross-dressing as part of a sexual fetish.
I would feel distinctly uncomfortable if one of the latter individuals were to enter a public loo designated for female use, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that.
I'm also sure it depends entirely on the situation. In a nightclub, pub, or other 'adult' situation then yes, we are all grown-ups, and we understand that actually a trans-gender individual awaiting surgery is, as much as is possible, their chosen gender rather than the one they were born with.
In a shopping centre toilet with my 3 year old cousin though, I would feel extremely uncomfortable having to explain why "That man's wearing a dress!" (I use this as an example as I would not be in a gents' toilet. However, I would imagine "Why is that lady wearing a pretend beard?" would be an equally awkward situation).
While I sympathise with how difficult life must be for those undergoing gender reassignment it would be impossible to make a distinction between genuine transgender individuals and those who cross-dress as a sexual fetish, in the context of public bathroom usage. |
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In some jurisdictions, it's enforced that transgendered people are made to use their acquired sex's loo: seems a bit strict, but that's the law.
There don't appear to be any instances of anyone in alternative dress using ladies loos causing any attacks etc, which is often what the trans/homophobes put up as their objections, and being dressed can leave some people to feel vulnerable. There are, contrary to this, issues of aggression etc against tgirls in male loos. |
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"Surely it depends.
An individual who is cross-dressing as part of a gender transition is a totally different situation to someone who is cross-dressing as part of a sexual fetish.
I would feel distinctly uncomfortable if one of the latter individuals were to enter a public loo designated for female use, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that.
I'm also sure it depends entirely on the situation. In a nightclub, pub, or other 'adult' situation then yes, we are all grown-ups, and we understand that actually a trans-gender individual awaiting surgery is, as much as is possible, their chosen gender rather than the one they were born with.
In a shopping centre toilet with my 3 year old cousin though, I would feel extremely uncomfortable having to explain why "That man's wearing a dress!" (I use this as an example as I would not be in a gents' toilet. However, I would imagine "Why is that lady wearing a pretend beard?" would be an equally awkward situation).
While I sympathise with how difficult life must be for those undergoing gender reassignment it would be impossible to make a distinction between genuine transgender individuals and those who cross-dress as a sexual fetish, in the context of public bathroom usage."
You've hit the nail on the head! Its been bugging me all day why I feel as I do about this - I have no problems with transgender use of appropriate loos, but I do have an issue in a non-adult venue when its a cd or tv.
Its the being inadvertently part of someone elses sex life.
I enjoy the odd bit (sometimes very odd) bit of outdoor fun, but I take every care that I will not be discovered by children, families or other people who might be disturbed or offended by it.
My sexual preferences and fetishes would disturb a lot of people, if I was walked in on during some of them my partner could even be arrested for some of the activities until it was made clear just how consensual it is.
My belief has always been that sexual activity should only take place between consenting adults; ie you must be capable of informed consent, legally old enough and not incapacitated (d*unk, drugged etc) and psychologically capable of that consent.This is the line as far as I am concerned that should not be crossed. But once informed consent has taken place everything is simply variety.
So (gee I'm getting longwinded in my old age) if the cross dressing is part of a lifestyle choice then yes, use the loos appropriate to your situation, but if it is a sexual behaviour then keep it to the disabled/non gender specific loos unless you're in a venue where the other users are adults.
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"Surely it depends.
An individual who is cross-dressing as part of a gender transition is a totally different situation to someone who is cross-dressing as part of a sexual fetish.
I would feel distinctly uncomfortable if one of the latter individuals were to enter a public loo designated for female use, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that.
I'm also sure it depends entirely on the situation. In a nightclub, pub, or other 'adult' situation then yes, we are all grown-ups, and we understand that actually a trans-gender individual awaiting surgery is, as much as is possible, their chosen gender rather than the one they were born with.
In a shopping centre toilet with my 3 year old cousin though, I would feel extremely uncomfortable having to explain why "That man's wearing a dress!" (I use this as an example as I would not be in a gents' toilet. However, I would imagine "Why is that lady wearing a pretend beard?" would be an equally awkward situation).
While I sympathise with how difficult life must be for those undergoing gender reassignment it would be impossible to make a distinction between genuine transgender individuals and those who cross-dress as a sexual fetish, in the context of public bathroom usage.
You've hit the nail on the head! Its been bugging me all day why I feel as I do about this - I have no problems with transgender use of appropriate loos, but I do have an issue in a non-adult venue when its a cd or tv.
Its the being inadvertently part of someone elses sex life.
I enjoy the odd bit (sometimes very odd) bit of outdoor fun, but I take every care that I will not be discovered by children, families or other people who might be disturbed or offended by it.
My sexual preferences and fetishes would disturb a lot of people, if I was walked in on during some of them my partner could even be arrested for some of the activities until it was made clear just how consensual it is.
My belief has always been that sexual activity should only take place between consenting adults; ie you must be capable of informed consent, legally old enough and not incapacitated (d*unk, drugged etc) and psychologically capable of that consent.This is the line as far as I am concerned that should not be crossed. But once informed consent has taken place everything is simply variety.
So (gee I'm getting longwinded in my old age) if the cross dressing is part of a lifestyle choice then yes, use the loos appropriate to your situation, but if it is a sexual behaviour then keep it to the disabled/non gender specific loos unless you're in a venue where the other users are adults.
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I didn't know anyone had included men/women who were cross dressing and visiting loos for sexual purposes into the discussion. Generally I thought this was about using the loo for toileting needs, rather than sexual purposes. I have never heard of any male cross dressing and visiting a female loo to have sexual contact with women, ever, so thoughts of these issues are likely to be fantasy, dare I say it.
The French loos are often multi-gender, so it gets around all of the permutations. |
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a trans gender work colleague of mine currently uses the disabled toilet, the general consensus is once the cock is off ladies loo is fine to use
i personally couldnt give a shit (no pun intended) its more the older ladies in the office who kick up a fuss |
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"Surely it depends.
An individual who is cross-dressing as part of a gender transition is a totally different situation to someone who is cross-dressing as part of a sexual fetish.
I would feel distinctly uncomfortable if one of the latter individuals were to enter a public loo designated for female use, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that.
I'm also sure it depends entirely on the situation. In a nightclub, pub, or other 'adult' situation then yes, we are all grown-ups, and we understand that actually a trans-gender individual awaiting surgery is, as much as is possible, their chosen gender rather than the one they were born with.
In a shopping centre toilet with my 3 year old cousin though, I would feel extremely uncomfortable having to explain why "That man's wearing a dress!" (I use this as an example as I would not be in a gents' toilet. However, I would imagine "Why is that lady wearing a pretend beard?" would be an equally awkward situation).
While I sympathise with how difficult life must be for those undergoing gender reassignment it would be impossible to make a distinction between genuine transgender individuals and those who cross-dress as a sexual fetish, in the context of public bathroom usage.
You've hit the nail on the head! Its been bugging me all day why I feel as I do about this - I have no problems with transgender use of appropriate loos, but I do have an issue in a non-adult venue when its a cd or tv.
Its the being inadvertently part of someone elses sex life.
I enjoy the odd bit (sometimes very odd) bit of outdoor fun, but I take every care that I will not be discovered by children, families or other people who might be disturbed or offended by it.
My sexual preferences and fetishes would disturb a lot of people, if I was walked in on during some of them my partner could even be arrested for some of the activities until it was made clear just how consensual it is.
My belief has always been that sexual activity should only take place between consenting adults; ie you must be capable of informed consent, legally old enough and not incapacitated (d*unk, drugged etc) and psychologically capable of that consent.This is the line as far as I am concerned that should not be crossed. But once informed consent has taken place everything is simply variety.
So (gee I'm getting longwinded in my old age) if the cross dressing is part of a lifestyle choice then yes, use the loos appropriate to your situation, but if it is a sexual behaviour then keep it to the disabled/non gender specific loos unless you're in a venue where the other users are adults.
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I am also slightly confused as to how this subject has moved to sex!
For those who are not sure what a TV is all about... Going out in public as a female (in my case) and probably for many others is purely because i like looking feminine and feel much more a confident person. For me personally, Dressing has nothing to do with sex.
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"I am also slightly confused as to how this subject has moved to sex!
For those who are not sure what a TV is all about... Going out in public as a female (in my case) and probably for many others is purely because i like looking feminine and feel much more a confident person. For me personally, Dressing has nothing to do with sex.
Am I the only one? "
Many dictionary definitions of the word "Transvestite" follow the line of:-
“a person who adopts the dress and often the behaviour typical of the opposite gender especially for purposes of emotional or sexual gratification”
Hey....I'm a CD who only does it for sexual kicks, and the more I learn about the trials and tribulation of those people who do for emotional reasons,,,, the more I count my blessing!!!
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One thing I will say.... I am not quite sure where the awkward conversation with children comes into it. Surely children are just as likely to ask questions about the man in a frock in McDonalds or at the petrol station or a million other places as they are in a public toilet. |
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"Surely it depends.
An individual who is cross-dressing as part of a gender transition is a totally different situation to someone who is cross-dressing as part of a sexual fetish.
I'm also sure it depends entirely on the situation. In a nightclub, pub, or other 'adult' situation then yes, we are all grown-ups, and we understand that actually a trans-gender individual awaiting surgery is, as much as is , their chosen gender rather than the one they were born with.
In a shopping centre toilet with my 3 year old cousin though, I would feel extremely uncomfortable having to explain why "That man's wearing a dress!" (I use this as an example as I would not be in a gents' toilet. However, I would imagine "Why is that lady wearing a pretend beard?" would be an equally awkward situation).
While I sympathise with how difficult life must be for those undergoing gender reassignment it would be impossible to make a distinction between genuine transgender individuals and those who cross-dress as a sexual fetish, in the context of public bathroom usage.
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I didn't know anyone had included men/women who were cross dressing and visiting loos for sexual purposes into the discussion. Generally I thought this was about using the loo for toileting needs, rather than sexual purposes. I have never heard of any male cross dressing and visiting a female loo to have sexual contact with women, ever, so thoughts of these issues are likely to be fantasy, dare I say it.
The French loos are often multi-gender, so it gets around all of the permutations."
My comment wasn't to do with the use of toilets for sexual contact. My point was that for some individuals the act of cross dressing itself is a sexual one. Someone for whom cross dressing is a sexual activity, which elicits sexual gratification or arousal, should not expect to use the public toilets of the opposite sex. In my opinion, that is. |
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"In my opinion you should only use what gender toilets you were born with, for that is what you are.
I know some say it depends on how convincing they are, but from what I have seen I don't think I have seen one single CD\TV on here or out and about that I could ever mistake for being a woman.
Bangkok Ladyboys yeah, Dave in a dress and blue eye shadow... no!"
I was borng geneticaly male but feel like i should of been female and DO feel right in a dress. I dont think you realy know witch end you are talking from espetialy the coment about ladyboys in my opinion they are the luky onrs that were born in a contry that not only exepts trans gender but exploits it. serving with the british army i know it is still ridiculed and i would never admit my sexuality yet alone my transgender to any of my work mates as i would be the subject of jokes and ridicule. also i have been thretened when i used the male loo in a shoping center because i was in a dress so feel safer using the female and disabled loo when out in public.
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