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"Continue here, it was interesting to see the replys, did the media over react? I think it did that."
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Everyone has over reacted and in my opinion especially the LGBT community.
It has shed light on those just following a trend rather than actually educating themselves and what they are speaking out against.
Gender identity and sex are completely different things - one's a conscious experience with an option to define yourself as you please, the other is what you were born as and this can't be altered biologically speaking.
If you are born with a penis and choose to change that...you're biological sex is still male and vice versa.
Snowflakes in abundance and it isn't even that cold yet 
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"Everyone has over reacted and in my opinion especially the LGBT community.
It has shed light on those just following a trend rather than actually educating themselves and what they are speaking out against.
Gender identity and sex are completely different things - one's a conscious experience with an option to define yourself as you please, the other is what you were born as and this can't be altered biologically speaking.
If you are born with a penis and choose to change that...you're biological sex is still male and vice versa.
Snowflakes in abundance and it isn't even that cold yet
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To be honest, the moment anyone throws around the word snowflake it makes their entire argument redundant imo |
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My brother says that it's much easier to adopt an existing and contentious identity than to find one of your own. I'm inclined to agree. I think an awful lot of the kind of behaviour that's causing issues like this is just acting out and attention seeking. |
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Snowflakes in abundance and it isn't even that cold yet
To be honest, the moment anyone throws around the word snowflake it makes their entire argument redundant imo"
Agreed. It's starting to replace playing the Nazi card. |
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"Everyone has over reacted and in my opinion especially the LGBT community.
It has shed light on those just following a trend rather than actually educating themselves and what they are speaking out against.
Gender identity and sex are completely different things - one's a conscious experience with an option to define yourself as you please, the other is what you were born as and this can't be altered biologically speaking.
If you are born with a penis and choose to change that...you're biological sex is still male and vice versa.
Snowflakes in abundance and it isn't even that cold yet
To be honest, the moment anyone throws around the word snowflake it makes their entire argument redundant imo"
And that's the exact response I was expecting lmao
I feel it's a pretty perfect word to sum up those being oversensitive about every minute little thing and turning it to be about themselves.
No one can speak for fear of using a politically incorrect term, everything is twisted to justify someone taking offence at any opportunity.
Snowflake - fragile and melts within seconds = perfect.
Taking offence and dismissing an opinion at someone using that term is exactly what is so bloody ridiculous.
Completely ignore the issue at hand - oh my she said Snowflake I must completely disregard said human for I am wounded by a mere word.
Maybe in future I will refrain from using Snowflake - the term that sums up perfectly who I am referring to and shall describe these people as emotionally unstable, fragile and love to be victims with zero sense of humour? |
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You might find people took you more seriously if you did. I guess it depends whether you want to actually make a point or just let people know you don't agree with them. |
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"Everyone has over reacted and in my opinion especially the LGBT community.
It has shed light on those just following a trend rather than actually educating themselves and what they are speaking out against.
Gender identity and sex are completely different things - one's a conscious experience with an option to define yourself as you please, the other is what you were born as and this can't be altered biologically speaking.
If you are born with a penis and choose to change that...you're biological sex is still male and vice versa.
Snowflakes in abundance and it isn't even that cold yet
To be honest, the moment anyone throws around the word snowflake it makes their entire argument redundant imo
And that's the exact response I was expecting lmao
I feel it's a pretty perfect word to sum up those being oversensitive about every minute little thing and turning it to be about themselves.
No one can speak for fear of using a politically incorrect term, everything is twisted to justify someone taking offence at any opportunity.
Snowflake - fragile and melts within seconds = perfect.
Taking offence and dismissing an opinion at someone using that term is exactly what is so bloody ridiculous.
Completely ignore the issue at hand - oh my she said Snowflake I must completely disregard said human for I am wounded by a mere word.
Maybe in future I will refrain from using Snowflake - the term that sums up perfectly who I am referring to and shall describe these people as emotionally unstable, fragile and love to be victims with zero sense of humour? "
I think you're making up your own narrative for a conversation that hasnt happened. I made no mention of me being offended or fragile, nor did i disregard you as a human. I just think that people using the term snowflake tend to be the ones that are actually offended by everything and spout utter bollocks about not being able to say what they want for fear of offending others, etc etc, blah blah blah. It's the same rhetoric spouted by everyone that holds what they know will be offensive points of view and have to find some way of masking them so instantly go on the attack by blaming others.
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By *ilth500Man
over a year ago
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"Everyone has over reacted and in my opinion especially the LGBT community.
It has shed light on those just following a trend rather than actually educating themselves and what they are speaking out against.
Gender identity and sex are completely different things - one's a conscious experience with an option to define yourself as you please, the other is what you were born as and this can't be altered biologically speaking.
If you are born with a penis and choose to change that...you're biological sex is still male and vice versa.
Snowflakes in abundance and it isn't even that cold yet
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"I just googled this to see what it's about and she said "sex is real" I can't see what she did wrong to be attacked. "
I think it's because previously people have accused her of holding transphobic views and then supporting someone who definately does hasnt helped her case. She has previously retweeted someone who said that trans people are men in dresses and her publicist said that she just had a middle aged moment and it was an accident |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I just googled this to see what it's about and she said "sex is real" I can't see what she did wrong to be attacked.
I think it's because previously people have accused her of holding transphobic views and then supporting someone who definately does hasnt helped her case. She has previously retweeted someone who said that trans people are men in dresses and her publicist said that she just had a middle aged moment and it was an accident"
How do you define a trans person |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you are born with a penis and choose to change that...you're biological sex is still male and vice versa."
"Biological sex" isn't a thing. You can't change your genome (yet - though sometimes, rarely, it changes anyway) but you can obviously change your phenotypical expressions of your sex (for example, removing breasts or adding a penis) - and this is still considered part of your sex, as far as biology is concerned.
Also, as said in the previous thread: most people don't know what their chromosomal sex is because they were never tested for it. You're placed in a gender at birth based on sexual characteristics (and when these are ambiguous we "have a guess", sometimes surgically operating on babies to make them fit), "Woman" is a gender, and so making the point about not being able to change your sex is redundant. |
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"I just googled this to see what it's about and she said "sex is real" I can't see what she did wrong to be attacked. "
This isn't true. She told a trans employee of her client that she wouldn't respect her pronouns and was generally nasty to her, and the client didn't renew her contract.
Trabsphobes are trying to spin it to claim that she was "fired for her beliefs", when she was never fired (she wasn't an employee) and it has nothing to do with her beliefs but with her refusing to respect her client's. |
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"If you are born with a penis and choose to change that...you're biological sex is still male and vice versa.
"Biological sex" isn't a thing. You can't change your genome (yet - though sometimes, rarely, it changes anyway) but you can obviously change your phenotypical expressions of your sex (for example, removing breasts or adding a penis) - and this is still considered part of your sex, as far as biology is concerned.
Also, as said in the previous thread: most people don't know what their chromosomal sex is because they were never tested for it. You're placed in a gender at birth based on sexual characteristics (and when these are ambiguous we "have a guess", sometimes surgically operating on babies to make them fit), "Woman" is a gender, and so making the point about not being able to change your sex is redundant."
This is ridiculous. Please take a biology course rather than sprouting nonsense you read on Twitter. |
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This is ridiculous. Please take a biology course rather than sprouting nonsense you read on Twitter."
Can you explain why? I'm not being remotely snarky, I'm finding this very educational. I know Jack shit about biology and I'm keen to learn from people who do. |
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"If you are born with a penis and choose to change that...you're biological sex is still male and vice versa.
"Biological sex" isn't a thing. You can't change your genome (yet - though sometimes, rarely, it changes anyway) but you can obviously change your phenotypical expressions of your sex (for example, removing breasts or adding a penis) - and this is still considered part of your sex, as far as biology is concerned.
Also, as said in the previous thread: most people don't know what their chromosomal sex is because they were never tested for it. You're placed in a gender at birth based on sexual characteristics (and when these are ambiguous we "have a guess", sometimes surgically operating on babies to make them fit), "Woman" is a gender, and so making the point about not being able to change your sex is redundant.
This is ridiculous. Please take a biology course rather than sprouting nonsense you read on Twitter."
These are facts (as best we understand them) and you can verify this with a cursory googling. Easy to call something ridiculous but that doesn't make it so. |
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"Everyone has over reacted and in my opinion especially the LGBT community.
It has shed light on those just following a trend rather than actually educating themselves and what they are speaking out against.
Gender identity and sex are completely different things - one's a conscious experience with an option to define yourself as you please, the other is what you were born as and this can't be altered biologically speaking.
If you are born with a penis and choose to change that...you're biological sex is still male and vice versa.
Snowflakes in abundance and it isn't even that cold yet
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They always over react as soon as anyone has an opinion about their sexuality. Snowflakes in abundance , need sun to do some melting. |
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"If you are born with a penis and choose to change that...you're biological sex is still male and vice versa.
"Biological sex" isn't a thing. You can't change your genome (yet - though sometimes, rarely, it changes anyway) but you can obviously change your phenotypical expressions of your sex (for example, removing breasts or adding a penis) - and this is still considered part of your sex, as far as biology is concerned.
Also, as said in the previous thread: most people don't know what their chromosomal sex is because they were never tested for it. You're placed in a gender at birth based on sexual characteristics (and when these are ambiguous we "have a guess", sometimes surgically operating on babies to make them fit), "Woman" is a gender, and so making the point about not being able to change your sex is redundant.
This is ridiculous. Please take a biology course rather than sprouting nonsense you read on Twitter.
These are facts (as best we understand them) and you can verify this with a cursory googling. Easy to call something ridiculous but that doesn't make it so."
Yes because Google is great for scientific fact checking
Sex is quite literally defined by the characteristion of organisms into males and females. Gender is little more than a synonym for personality.
Bringing light to the fact that there are occasionally mutations and anomalies, or that one can choose to remove their penis, uterus etc doesn't discredit the underlying biology. |
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"Yes because Google is great for scientific fact checking "
Yup, it is quite good. Gonna assume you don't have access to all the relevant journals (since outside of academia almost nobody does), and anyway they're not great places to get an overview of a subject.
"Sex is quite literally defined by the characteristion of organisms into males and females."
Nope, this is a high school understanding of sex (like how in school you were told the atom was the smallest particle). It's more complex than that.
"Bringing light to the fact that there are occasionally mutations and anomalies, or that one can choose to remove their penis, uterus etc doesn't discredit the underlying biology. "
Actually, the exceptions are how we disprove theories and what force us to come up with better theories. For example, "all swans are white" is clearly wrong, because we can see black swans. "All women are XX" is clearly wrong now we've identified many women that are XY (or other variations). |
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"Yes because Google is great for scientific fact checking
Yup, it is quite good. Gonna assume you don't have access to all the relevant journals (since outside of academia almost nobody does), and anyway they're not great places to get an overview of a subject.
Sex is quite literally defined by the characteristion of organisms into males and females.
Nope, this is a high school understanding of sex (like how in school you were told the atom was the smallest particle). It's more complex than that.
Bringing light to the fact that there are occasionally mutations and anomalies, or that one can choose to remove their penis, uterus etc doesn't discredit the underlying biology.
Actually, the exceptions are how we disprove theories and what force us to come up with better theories. For example, "all swans are white" is clearly wrong, because we can see black swans. "All women are XX" is clearly wrong now we've identified many women that are XY (or other variations)."
It really isn't any more complicated than that. That is quite literally what biological sex is. Variations don't change this. XX is synonymous with Female. XY is synonymous with Male. How they identify, or are raised, is irrelevant. This isn't a theory.
As someone who has been involved in academia for years, I can confirm that is really isn't that difficult to get hold of journal articles once you've left academia - so there really is no excuse not to read them.
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"It really isn't any more complicated than that. That is quite literally what biological sex is. Variations don't change this."
This is clearly untrue. We thought sex was a simple binary, variations outside that binary have made us have to rethink that. That's how science works.
"As someone who has been involved in academia for years, I can confirm that is really isn't that difficult to get hold of journal articles once you've left academia - so there really is no excuse not to read them."
I mean, there's a whole movement in the wider science community to open up access to journals (called "open access") so again, this is clearly not true. If you were involved in academia you'd know this.
It's pretty clear that you don't know what you're on about, otherwise you'd refute the points I'm making instead of hand-waving the arguments away and trying to claim the whole scientific community sees sex as something that's all sewn up. Biologists don't even agree on how to define sex, and certainly there aren't many trying to claim there is a simple male/female binary everyone fits in to anymore (because the evidence says otherwise). |
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"Everyone has over reacted and in my opinion especially the LGBT community.
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Correct. In fact the LGBT community are losing a lot of respect generally I think. They never stop whinging and think the world is "all about them". |
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"Everyone has over reacted and in my opinion especially the LGBT community.
Correct. In fact the LGBT community are losing a lot of respect generally I think. They never stop whinging and think the world is "all about them"."
Agreed, as a bisexual man, i wish they'd leave the "B" out. |
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"It really isn't any more complicated than that. That is quite literally what biological sex is. Variations don't change this.
This is clearly untrue. We thought sex was a simple binary, variations outside that binary have made us have to rethink that. That's how science works.
As someone who has been involved in academia for years, I can confirm that is really isn't that difficult to get hold of journal articles once you've left academia - so there really is no excuse not to read them.
I mean, there's a whole movement in the wider science community to open up access to journals (called "open access") so again, this is clearly not true. If you were involved in academia you'd know this.
It's pretty clear that you don't know what you're on about, otherwise you'd refute the points I'm making instead of hand-waving the arguments away and trying to claim the whole scientific community sees sex as something that's all sewn up. Biologists don't even agree on how to define sex, and certainly there aren't many trying to claim there is a simple male/female binary everyone fits in to anymore (because the evidence says otherwise)."
We don't "think" sex is binary.
Biologists agree that sex in humans is XX (aka Male, or one capable of producing sperm) or XY (aka Female, or one capable of producing ovum). Sex has always been defined by chromosomes, which dictate gonads, which dictate hormones, which dictate sexual characteristics. If one has a different option on this, then they are no longer talking about "sex".
The debate typically arises when discussing intersex humans. The argument being that because there are variations, sex cannot be binary. This is a weak position to take given that intersex is not a "third sex" - it is a disorder.
The trans and "multiple genders" stuff muddies the debate, but doesn't have any impact on the core biological science.
There are numerous free academic research papers available online for you to indulge in. |
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"It really isn't any more complicated than that. That is quite literally what biological sex is. Variations don't change this.
This is clearly untrue. We thought sex was a simple binary, variations outside that binary have made us have to rethink that. That's how science works.
As someone who has been involved in academia for years, I can confirm that is really isn't that difficult to get hold of journal articles once you've left academia - so there really is no excuse not to read them.
I mean, there's a whole movement in the wider science community to open up access to journals (called "open access") so again, this is clearly not true. If you were involved in academia you'd know this.
It's pretty clear that you don't know what you're on about, otherwise you'd refute the points I'm making instead of hand-waving the arguments away and trying to claim the whole scientific community sees sex as something that's all sewn up. Biologists don't even agree on how to define sex, and certainly there aren't many trying to claim there is a simple male/female binary everyone fits in to anymore (because the evidence says otherwise).
We don't "think" sex is binary.
Biologists agree that sex in humans is XX (aka Male, or one capable of producing sperm) or XY (aka Female, or one capable of producing ovum). Sex has always been defined by chromosomes, which dictate gonads, which dictate hormones, which dictate sexual characteristics. If one has a different option on this, then they are no longer talking about "sex".
The debate typically arises when discussing intersex humans. The argument being that because there are variations, sex cannot be binary. This is a weak position to take given that intersex is not a "third sex" - it is a disorder.
The trans and "multiple genders" stuff muddies the debate, but doesn't have any impact on the core biological science.
There are numerous free academic research papers available online for you to indulge in. "
I thought xy was Male lol, every days a school day eh?! |
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"It really isn't any more complicated than that. That is quite literally what biological sex is. Variations don't change this.
This is clearly untrue. We thought sex was a simple binary, variations outside that binary have made us have to rethink that. That's how science works.
As someone who has been involved in academia for years, I can confirm that is really isn't that difficult to get hold of journal articles once you've left academia - so there really is no excuse not to read them.
I mean, there's a whole movement in the wider science community to open up access to journals (called "open access") so again, this is clearly not true. If you were involved in academia you'd know this.
It's pretty clear that you don't know what you're on about, otherwise you'd refute the points I'm making instead of hand-waving the arguments away and trying to claim the whole scientific community sees sex as something that's all sewn up. Biologists don't even agree on how to define sex, and certainly there aren't many trying to claim there is a simple male/female binary everyone fits in to anymore (because the evidence says otherwise).
We don't "think" sex is binary.
Biologists agree that sex in humans is XX (aka Male, or one capable of producing sperm) or XY (aka Female, or one capable of producing ovum). Sex has always been defined by chromosomes, which dictate gonads, which dictate hormones, which dictate sexual characteristics. If one has a different option on this, then they are no longer talking about "sex".
The debate typically arises when discussing intersex humans. The argument being that because there are variations, sex cannot be binary. This is a weak position to take given that intersex is not a "third sex" - it is a disorder.
The trans and "multiple genders" stuff muddies the debate, but doesn't have any impact on the core biological science.
There are numerous free academic research papers available online for you to indulge in.
I thought xy was Male lol, every days a school day eh?!"
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"Yes because Google is great for scientific fact checking
Yup, it is quite good. Gonna assume you don't have access to all the relevant journals (since outside of academia almost nobody does), and anyway they're not great places to get an overview of a subject.
Sex is quite literally defined by the characteristion of organisms into males and females.
Nope, this is a high school understanding of sex (like how in school you were told the atom was the smallest particle). It's more complex than that.
Bringing light to the fact that there are occasionally mutations and anomalies, or that one can choose to remove their penis, uterus etc doesn't discredit the underlying biology.
Actually, the exceptions are how we disprove theories and what force us to come up with better theories. For example, "all swans are white" is clearly wrong, because we can see black swans. "All women are XX" is clearly wrong now we've identified many women that are XY (or other variations).
It really isn't any more complicated than that. That is quite literally what biological sex is. Variations don't change this. XX is synonymous with Female. XY is synonymous with Male. How they identify, or are raised, is irrelevant. This isn't a theory.
As someone who has been involved in academia for years, I can confirm that is really isn't that difficult to get hold of journal articles once you've left academia - so there really is no excuse not to read them.
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Explain then please the animals who also have a "ZW, XO or even XYZ" alleles..... |
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"Yes because Google is great for scientific fact checking
Yup, it is quite good. Gonna assume you don't have access to all the relevant journals (since outside of academia almost nobody does), and anyway they're not great places to get an overview of a subject.
Sex is quite literally defined by the characteristion of organisms into males and females.
Nope, this is a high school understanding of sex (like how in school you were told the atom was the smallest particle). It's more complex than that.
Bringing light to the fact that there are occasionally mutations and anomalies, or that one can choose to remove their penis, uterus etc doesn't discredit the underlying biology.
Actually, the exceptions are how we disprove theories and what force us to come up with better theories. For example, "all swans are white" is clearly wrong, because we can see black swans. "All women are XX" is clearly wrong now we've identified many women that are XY (or other variations).
It really isn't any more complicated than that. That is quite literally what biological sex is. Variations don't change this. XX is synonymous with Female. XY is synonymous with Male. How they identify, or are raised, is irrelevant. This isn't a theory.
As someone who has been involved in academia for years, I can confirm that is really isn't that difficult to get hold of journal articles once you've left academia - so there really is no excuse not to read them.
Explain then please the animals who also have a "ZW, XO or even XYZ" alleles....."
Xyz! Blimy, id heard of XYY, but not xyz! Every days a school day! |
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"Yes because Google is great for scientific fact checking
Yup, it is quite good. Gonna assume you don't have access to all the relevant journals (since outside of academia almost nobody does), and anyway they're not great places to get an overview of a subject.
Sex is quite literally defined by the characteristion of organisms into males and females.
Nope, this is a high school understanding of sex (like how in school you were told the atom was the smallest particle). It's more complex than that.
Bringing light to the fact that there are occasionally mutations and anomalies, or that one can choose to remove their penis, uterus etc doesn't discredit the underlying biology.
Actually, the exceptions are how we disprove theories and what force us to come up with better theories. For example, "all swans are white" is clearly wrong, because we can see black swans. "All women are XX" is clearly wrong now we've identified many women that are XY (or other variations).
It really isn't any more complicated than that. That is quite literally what biological sex is. Variations don't change this. XX is synonymous with Female. XY is synonymous with Male. How they identify, or are raised, is irrelevant. This isn't a theory.
As someone who has been involved in academia for years, I can confirm that is really isn't that difficult to get hold of journal articles once you've left academia - so there really is no excuse not to read them.
Explain then please the animals who also have a "ZW, XO or even XYZ" alleles....."
Some animals can have different sex determination systems |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"Yes because Google is great for scientific fact checking
Yup, it is quite good. Gonna assume you don't have access to all the relevant journals (since outside of academia almost nobody does), and anyway they're not great places to get an overview of a subject.
Sex is quite literally defined by the characteristion of organisms into males and females.
Nope, this is a high school understanding of sex (like how in school you were told the atom was the smallest particle). It's more complex than that.
Bringing light to the fact that there are occasionally mutations and anomalies, or that one can choose to remove their penis, uterus etc doesn't discredit the underlying biology.
Actually, the exceptions are how we disprove theories and what force us to come up with better theories. For example, "all swans are white" is clearly wrong, because we can see black swans. "All women are XX" is clearly wrong now we've identified many women that are XY (or other variations).
It really isn't any more complicated than that. That is quite literally what biological sex is. Variations don't change this. XX is synonymous with Female. XY is synonymous with Male. How they identify, or are raised, is irrelevant. This isn't a theory.
As someone who has been involved in academia for years, I can confirm that is really isn't that difficult to get hold of journal articles once you've left academia - so there really is no excuse not to read them.
Explain then please the animals who also have a "ZW, XO or even XYZ" alleles.....
Xyz! Blimy, id heard of XYY, but not xyz! Every days a school day!"
XYZ exists in some birds, they essentially have three sexes, although XY and ZY can only mate successfully with XX |
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"Everyone has over reacted and in my opinion especially the LGBT community.
Correct. In fact the LGBT community are losing a lot of respect generally I think. They never stop whinging and think the world is "all about them"."
Whilst being aware the plural of anecdote isn’t data, based on nothing more than spending a lot of time socialising and holidaying with quite a few gay male friends, the whole concept of an LGBT community seems a bit misplaced. There is certainly a gay male community and a gay female community that do intersect at some events but there is no apparent common voice, ideals or attitudes. In fact I have seen less sympathy for trans issues amongst gay men than other people I know.
I don’t know any gay people who whinge or think the world revolves around them, well maybe one who thinks the world should revolve around him! |
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"Yes because Google is great for scientific fact checking
Yup, it is quite good. Gonna assume you don't have access to all the relevant journals (since outside of academia almost nobody does), and anyway they're not great places to get an overview of a subject.
Sex is quite literally defined by the characteristion of organisms into males and females.
Nope, this is a high school understanding of sex (like how in school you were told the atom was the smallest particle). It's more complex than that.
Bringing light to the fact that there are occasionally mutations and anomalies, or that one can choose to remove their penis, uterus etc doesn't discredit the underlying biology.
Actually, the exceptions are how we disprove theories and what force us to come up with better theories. For example, "all swans are white" is clearly wrong, because we can see black swans. "All women are XX" is clearly wrong now we've identified many women that are XY (or other variations).
It really isn't any more complicated than that. That is quite literally what biological sex is. Variations don't change this. XX is synonymous with Female. XY is synonymous with Male. How they identify, or are raised, is irrelevant. This isn't a theory.
As someone who has been involved in academia for years, I can confirm that is really isn't that difficult to get hold of journal articles once you've left academia - so there really is no excuse not to read them.
Explain then please the animals who also have a "ZW, XO or even XYZ" alleles.....
Xyz! Blimy, id heard of XYY, but not xyz! Every days a school day!
XYZ exists in some birds, they essentially have three sexes, although XY and ZY can only mate successfully with XX"
You'll have to tell Google. I can't find anything to back you up. Im not doubting you. I just can't see anything that corroborates you. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"Yes because Google is great for scientific fact checking
Yup, it is quite good. Gonna assume you don't have access to all the relevant journals (since outside of academia almost nobody does), and anyway they're not great places to get an overview of a subject.
Sex is quite literally defined by the characteristion of organisms into males and females.
Nope, this is a high school understanding of sex (like how in school you were told the atom was the smallest particle). It's more complex than that.
Bringing light to the fact that there are occasionally mutations and anomalies, or that one can choose to remove their penis, uterus etc doesn't discredit the underlying biology.
Actually, the exceptions are how we disprove theories and what force us to come up with better theories. For example, "all swans are white" is clearly wrong, because we can see black swans. "All women are XX" is clearly wrong now we've identified many women that are XY (or other variations).
It really isn't any more complicated than that. That is quite literally what biological sex is. Variations don't change this. XX is synonymous with Female. XY is synonymous with Male. How they identify, or are raised, is irrelevant. This isn't a theory.
As someone who has been involved in academia for years, I can confirm that is really isn't that difficult to get hold of journal articles once you've left academia - so there really is no excuse not to read them.
Explain then please the animals who also have a "ZW, XO or even XYZ" alleles.....
Xyz! Blimy, id heard of XYY, but not xyz! Every days a school day!
XYZ exists in some birds, they essentially have three sexes, although XY and ZY can only mate successfully with XX
You'll have to tell Google. I can't find anything to back you up. Im not doubting you. I just can't see anything that corroborates you. "
I couldn't find anything on Google about it either, but it was in a paper I read a while back. |
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By *adetMan
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"Everyone has over reacted and in my opinion especially the LGBT community.
Correct. In fact the LGBT community are losing a lot of respect generally I think. They never stop whinging and think the world is "all about them".
Whilst being aware the plural of anecdote isn’t data, based on nothing more than spending a lot of time socialising and holidaying with quite a few gay male friends, the whole concept of an LGBT community seems a bit misplaced. There is certainly a gay male community and a gay female community that do intersect at some events but there is no apparent common voice, ideals or attitudes. In fact I have seen less sympathy for trans issues amongst gay men than other people I know.
I don’t know any gay people who whinge or think the world revolves around them, well maybe one who thinks the world should revolve around him!"
I couldn't have put it better myself
Are people really so gullible that they buy into these entirely fabricated arguments?
It's wholly designed to be divisive and there never seems to be a shortage of people that will take the bait  |
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"Everyone has over reacted and in my opinion especially the LGBT community.
Correct. In fact the LGBT community are losing a lot of respect generally I think. They never stop whinging and think the world is "all about them".
Whilst being aware the plural of anecdote isn’t data, based on nothing more than spending a lot of time socialising and holidaying with quite a few gay male friends, the whole concept of an LGBT community seems a bit misplaced. There is certainly a gay male community and a gay female community that do intersect at some events but there is no apparent common voice, ideals or attitudes. In fact I have seen less sympathy for trans issues amongst gay men than other people I know.
I don’t know any gay people who whinge or think the world revolves around them, well maybe one who thinks the world should revolve around him!
I couldn't have put it better myself
Are people really so gullible that they buy into these entirely fabricated arguments?
It's wholly designed to be divisive and there never seems to be a shortage of people that will take the bait "
Agree completely on all of this. I first started going to gay clubs in the eighties. I've never been aware of any collective ideology. Just a bunch of people trying to figure out who they were and what they wanted. Basically.... Just like any other person except that who they fell in love with (not just had sex with) could possibly get them harassed and assaulted and would never be recognised as their partner in any legal sense. Things have come a very, very long way. |
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"Everyone has over reacted and in my opinion especially the LGBT community.
Correct. In fact the LGBT community are losing a lot of respect generally I think. They never stop whinging and think the world is "all about them".
Whilst being aware the plural of anecdote isn’t data, based on nothing more than spending a lot of time socialising and holidaying with quite a few gay male friends, the whole concept of an LGBT community seems a bit misplaced. There is certainly a gay male community and a gay female community that do intersect at some events but there is no apparent common voice, ideals or attitudes. In fact I have seen less sympathy for trans issues amongst gay men than other people I know.
I don’t know any gay people who whinge or think the world revolves around them, well maybe one who thinks the world should revolve around him!
I couldn't have put it better myself
Are people really so gullible that they buy into these entirely fabricated arguments?
It's wholly designed to be divisive and there never seems to be a shortage of people that will take the bait
Agree completely on all of this. I first started going to gay clubs in the eighties. I've never been aware of any collective ideology. Just a bunch of people trying to figure out who they were and what they wanted. Basically.... Just like any other person except that who they fell in love with (not just had sex with) could possibly get them harassed and assaulted and would never be recognised as their partner in any legal sense. Things have come a very, very long way. "
As ever Lola you are the voice of reason
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Agree completely on all of this. I first started going to gay clubs in the eighties. I've never been aware of any collective ideology. Just a bunch of people trying to figure out who they were and what they wanted. Basically.... Just like any other person except that who they fell in love with (not just had sex with) could possibly get them harassed and assaulted and would never be recognised as their partner in any legal sense. Things have come a very, very long way.
As ever Lola you are the voice of reason
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Agree completely on all of this. I first started going to gay clubs in the eighties. I've never been aware of any collective ideology. Just a bunch of people trying to figure out who they were and what they wanted. Basically.... Just like any other person except that who they fell in love with (not just had sex with) could possibly get them harassed and assaulted and would never be recognised as their partner in any legal sense. Things have come a very, very long way.
As ever Lola you are the voice of reason
What a lovely thing to say and I hope you don't mind me saying so but what a beautiful bottom you have "
Oh you're very welcome and thank you too |
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