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"Totally missed this one..." Yes all she was agreeing with is that there are 2 genders male and female. | |||
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"she didn't get attacked for talking on gender she was criticised for airing a transphobic view. She buys into the terf/lesbiman ideology which is dedicated to eradicating all transgender people. " Not one word of that is true. Did you read what she actually said ? | |||
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"Totally missed this one...Yes all she was agreeing with is that there are 2 genders male and female." No. She was commenting on a statement about biological determination made by someone else who lost their job for giving a scientific opinon | |||
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"she didn't get attacked for talking on gender she was criticised for airing a transphobic view. She buys into the terf/lesbiman ideology which is dedicated to eradicating all transgender people. " 100% FALSE!!! | |||
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"she didn't get attacked for talking on gender she was criticised for airing a transphobic view. She buys into the terf/lesbiman ideology which is dedicated to eradicating all transgender people. Not one word of that is true. Did you read what she actually said ?" clearly did not! | |||
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"she didn't get attacked for talking on gender she was criticised for airing a transphobic view. She buys into the terf/lesbiman ideology which is dedicated to eradicating all transgender people. Not one word of that is true. Did you read what she actually said ?" Yes. I did. And she expressed a transphobic view and supported a terf who lost her job through transphobia. Not the first time she’s show support for the terfs and, as such, she is therefore, buying into their phobic ideology. | |||
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"Totally missed this one...Yes all she was agreeing with is that there are 2 genders male and female. No. She was commenting on a statement about biological determination made by someone else who lost their job for giving a scientific opinon" Yes and isnt that the same thing? | |||
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"What was her view?" All it was is that she tweeted in support of maya forstater who was fired in the uk for tweeting men cannot change into women. | |||
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"Totally missed this one...Yes all she was agreeing with is that there are 2 genders male and female. No. She was commenting on a statement about biological determination made by someone else who lost their job for giving a scientific opinonYes and isnt that the same thing?" No | |||
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"Totally missed this one...Yes all she was agreeing with is that there are 2 genders male and female. No. She was commenting on a statement about biological determination made by someone else who lost their job for giving a scientific opinonYes and isnt that the same thing? No" What biological determination was that?. | |||
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"She wasnt fired because of what she said though from what little Info I know. Her contract was up and the company decided to not offer her a new contract. Work tribunal found it was nothing to do with her tweets. Seeing shit like this on Facebook ect for me is quite saddening. I always think the problem is the people who make most noise get heard and end up fucking it up for the rest of us. While most of just want to get on with our lives." | |||
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"I'm a member of a Zuckerplace group called Nerds with Vaginas which increasingly comes under attack for being trans exclusive." Why do you exclude trans women? Is it all trans women or just the ones that haven't had bottom surgery? | |||
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"She wasnt fired because of what she said though from what little Info I know. Her contract was up and the company decided to not offer her a new contract. Work tribunal found it was nothing to do with her tweets. Seeing shit like this on Facebook ect for me is quite saddening. I always think the problem is the people who make most noise get heard and end up fucking it up for the rest of us. While most of just want to get on with our lives." Yes so you can say what the media said is fake news. | |||
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"I'm a member of a Zuckerplace group called Nerds with Vaginas which increasingly comes under attack for being trans exclusive. Why do you exclude trans women? Is it all trans women or just the ones that haven't had bottom surgery?" No one is excluded. Anyone is welcome. You don't have to have a vagina. It just so happens that the people who run the page do. | |||
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"she didn't get attacked for talking on gender she was criticised for airing a transphobic view. She buys into the terf/lesbiman ideology which is dedicated to eradicating all transgender people. " Exactly. Well I’m not sure why the OP has decided to use this as a subject of discussion on here It surely doesn’t effect his day to day living. The idea that he is choosing to mention this just shows his lack of understanding and trying to provoke hateful comments. Transgender individuals are just trying to live their lives without discrimination brought on by negative and scaremongering unnecessary comments. J.K Rowling is a T.E.R.F | |||
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"Did the media over react over it, what is your view?" And ofcourse the media overact, on both sides of the left/right spectrum(being simplistic). Because it seems to me that journalism is dieing and being replaced by activism promoting there world view and ideology. The Media as we knew it is dieing and being replaced with Facebook, Twitter ect so the media trys to create controversy to gain clicks and add revenue. | |||
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"No one is excluded. Anyone is welcome. You don't have to have a vagina. It just so happens that the people who run the page do. " Oh I see - it's because of the name. Is someone checking that all the women on the admin team have vaginas, or are they self-identifying? | |||
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"No one is excluded. Anyone is welcome. You don't have to have a vagina. It just so happens that the people who run the page do. Oh I see - it's because of the name. Is someone checking that all the women on the admin team have vaginas, or are they self-identifying?" Yes they want the name changed because they feel it excludes people without vaginas who identify as female. Which it doesn't, except in their minds. I don't understand why it's OK to insist anyone has to adapt in this way. What about them and what they want and need? Does that not matter? | |||
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"Yes they want the name changed because they feel it excludes people without vaginas who identify as female." I mean, they're right aren't they. Literally, it is exclusive of anyone without a vagina. It's possible they didn't mean for it to exclude some women, just as lots of spaces that exclude women never actually mean to (or anyone else, for that matter). | |||
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"I don’t think either lady said what they said out of hate or phobia - but that said, I’m very disappointed - particularly with jk Rowling as she is well aware that she has a huge following and is therefore an ‘influencer’! Many people, sadly, possess an inability to empathise with and understand others who aren’t like them. A generation or so ago many people were unable to accept or come to terms with those who are gay or bi - and the road to complete acceptance from (most) of the population was a long and hard one! Unfortunately trans people are still barely half way down the road and they’re still meeting with a lot of ignorance and lack of empathy! To me it’s simple. I put myself into someone else’s mindset. How would I feel if I looked at a woman in the mirror every day if! Inside, everything about me screamed at me that I was a man? That’s how I imagine that it must feel for trans people initially - bloody wretched! - and I’d want to do everything I could to align what I felt in my head/body with what I saw in the mirror! I find that pretty easy to understand and empathise with - and fail to comprehend why other supposedly intelligent people can’t! Personally I’m less able to understand ‘non binary’ people - but that should always be my problem, not theirs - and I absolutely defend the right of anyone who wishes to be referred to as Male, female or ‘they’! At the end of the day they have to be true to themselves - not everyone else! X" | |||
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"she didn't get attacked for talking on gender she was criticised for airing a transphobic view. She buys into the terf/lesbiman ideology which is dedicated to eradicating all transgender people. Exactly. Well I’m not sure why the OP has decided to use this as a subject of discussion on here It surely doesn’t effect his day to day living. The idea that he is choosing to mention this just shows his lack of understanding and trying to provoke hateful comments. Transgender individuals are just trying to live their lives without discrimination brought on by negative and scaremongering unnecessary comments. J.K Rowling is a T.E.R.F " WOW. | |||
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"Yes they want the name changed because they feel it excludes people without vaginas who identify as female. I mean, they're right aren't they. Literally, it is exclusive of anyone without a vagina. It's possible they didn't mean for it to exclude some women, just as lots of spaces that exclude women never actually mean to (or anyone else, for that matter)." Nope. Men are welcomed. Anyone is welcomed. | |||
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"Nope. Men are welcomed. Anyone is welcomed." But if I write "people with vaginas" on a door then you wouldn't find it weird when people think that door is reserved for people with vaginas, would you. Like, words mean things. I'm not even saying you should change the name, but it seems silly to ignore the reality of what words mean. | |||
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"Nope. Men are welcomed. Anyone is welcomed. But if I write "people with vaginas" on a door then you wouldn't find it weird when people think that door is reserved for people with vaginas, would you. Like, words mean things. I'm not even saying you should change the name, but it seems silly to ignore the reality of what words mean." I guess most of us have realised and accepted that not everything in the world is about us? As a woman you tend to learn that pretty early on. Perhaps this is to do with make privilege as the radical feminists say. Maybe only a man would expect the world to change and adapt for him instead of the other way round. Dunno. I'm struggling as much as anyone to make sense of it all. | |||
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"She’s a TERF and therefore I dislike her" Yep.
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"Totally missed this one...Yes all she was agreeing with is that there are 2 genders male and female. No. She was commenting on a statement about biological determination made by someone else who lost their job for giving a scientific opinon" The science of gender/sex is a lot more complicated and the spectrum a lot fuzzier than terfs and transphobes try and make out. | |||
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"Even if our bodies function perfectly well we will feel pain, menstrual cramps, sore breasts, for some of us childbirth. It's there in our dna from day one. And it's something that only a cis woman can relate to." *some women. You're getting dangerously close to only saying that women with functioning reproductive organs are women. there are many women walking around with testes instead of ovaries, or no ovaries (sometimes no uterus), blissfully unaware until/unless they try to have children - one of the many examples of how sex defies simplicity. When they find out a common feeling is that they feel "incomplete", not "real women", because of reductive ideas of sex and gender like your own. Women have been oppressed, and should find solidarity with one another (and good men should be their allies). But the idea that there is some specific set of experiences that distinguishes a woman is going to exclude a lot of women that everyone considered to be women all along, as well as some women that were assigned male at birth. | |||
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"Totally missed this one...Yes all she was agreeing with is that there are 2 genders male and female." Correct. There seems to be a misguided view abroad that gender is a matter of choice, regardless of the physical architecture of your body. I've been hounded a couple of times on twitter, by groups of rampant misandrists masquerading as feminists or lgbtq supporters, when all they usually are is cowardly bigots looking for a target for their excess of venom. | |||
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"Did the media over react over it, what is your view? And ofcourse the media overact, on both sides of the left/right spectrum(being simplistic). Because it seems to me that journalism is dieing and being replaced by activism promoting there world view and ideology. The Media as we knew it is dieing and being replaced with Facebook, Twitter ect so the media trys to create controversy to gain clicks and add revenue." That is right and if someone doesnt like the their view of ideology they get labelled straight away. | |||
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"Did the media over react over it, what is your view?" Media rubbish again , to be honest the only journalist in my opinion you can actually believe is Ian Hislop , do find him rather interesting in what he has to say on matters | |||
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"I'm a member of a Zuckerplace group called Nerds with Vaginas which increasingly comes under attack for being trans exclusive. I don't understand why. I don't see how me having a vagina and wanting to celebrate being a woman is excluding anyone. Men join the group too. It's just run by women, it's not ONLY for women. If you live in a country where you have the support to transition then don't you think you're lucky? Is it really necessary to demand that every single thing is about you? Can't we have our things too? " | |||
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"Science is science ... How you identify is up to you... have bits removed or added...is up to you Who you find attractive is up to you Wearing what you want is up to you But science is science "
Tits and fanny = female
Cock and balls = male.
People then choose a sexual orientation or direction from there.
Life is pretty simple really. | |||
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"She was totally in the right. " No she wasn't. She totally misrepresented the court case. | |||
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"I'm a member of a Zuckerplace group called Nerds with Vaginas which increasingly comes under attack for being trans exclusive. Why do you exclude trans women? Is it all trans women or just the ones that haven't had bottom surgery?" The point being made was that the group doesn't exclude....anyone. | |||
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"She was totally in the right. No she wasn't. She totally misrepresented the court case. " I'm saying I think JK was right in what she said and I agree with her stance on sex not being the same as 'gender identity'. | |||
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"Science is science ... How you identify is up to you... have bits removed or added...is up to you Who you find attractive is up to you Wearing what you want is up to you But science is science
Tits and fanny = female
Cock and balls = male.
People then choose a sexual orientation or direction from there.
Life is pretty simple really."That is right science is very easy and your genitals determine if you are male or female | |||
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"She was totally in the right. No she wasn't. She totally misrepresented the court case. I'm saying I think JK was right in what she said and I agree with her stance on sex not being the same as 'gender identity'." this | |||
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"She was totally in the right. No she wasn't. She totally misrepresented the court case. I'm saying I think JK was right in what she said and I agree with her stance on sex not being the same as 'gender identity'." She stood up to defend someone she claimed was 'sacked for saying sex is sex' which simply isn't true. The woman in question wasn't sacked. Her contract was not renewed. The reason for this wasn't that she had opinions on trans women but that she expressed them in a nasty way and upset colleagues. The judge was very careful to distinguish between the right to an opinion, and not having the right to express it in a hateful manner in a workplace. | |||
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"Science is science ... How you identify is up to you... have bits removed or added...is up to you Who you find attractive is up to you Wearing what you want is up to you But science is science
Tits and fanny = female
Cock and balls = male.
People then choose a sexual orientation or direction from there.
Life is pretty simple really.That is right science is very easy and your genitals determine if you are male or female "We agree  What people choose to identify as is up to them snd personally, I couldn't care one bit. It's their choice. | |||
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"What’s a terf?" It stands for trans exclusionary radical feminists. But it's used as a derogatory term against any woman who acknowledges biological differences between women and men (including those who are trans) and agree that sex is not the same as gender and human beings can't change their biological sex. | |||
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"Science is science ... How you identify is up to you... have bits removed or added...is up to you Who you find attractive is up to you Wearing what you want is up to you But science is science
Tits and fanny = female
Cock and balls = male.
People then choose a sexual orientation or direction from there.
Life is pretty simple really.That is right science is very easy and your genitals determine if you are male or female
We agree What people choose to identify as is up to them snd personally, I couldn't care one bit. It's their choice."Yep. This. | |||
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"What’s a terf? It stands for trans exclusionary radical feminists. But it's used as a derogatory term against any woman who acknowledges biological differences between women and men (including those who are trans) and agree that sex is not the same as gender and human beings can't change their biological sex." Do you think people are are too quick with the Terf label and instead use it as a way of shutting down debate? | |||
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"What’s a terf? It stands for trans exclusionary radical feminists. But it's used as a derogatory term against any woman who acknowledges biological differences between women and men (including those who are trans) and agree that sex is not the same as gender and human beings can't change their biological sex. Do you think people are are too quick with the Terf label and instead use it as a way of shutting down debate? " 100% definitely | |||
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"What’s a terf? It stands for trans exclusionary radical feminists. But it's used as a derogatory term against any woman who acknowledges biological differences between women and men (including those who are trans) and agree that sex is not the same as gender and human beings can't change their biological sex. Do you think people are are too quick with the Terf label and instead use it as a way of shutting down debate? " Unfortunately, that is the way the country is going. | |||
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"What’s a terf?" Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist. Otherwise feminist people who seem convinced that sex is a simple binary and their oppression flows from that, instead of their gender - ignoring most of the science on the matter (which says that sex isn't binary and large numbers of people assigned one gender at birth don't actually have all those biological characteristics (e.g. Women who have XY chromosomes but developed phenotypically female characteristics) and most sociological research, including feminist research, which agrees that oppression is gendered rather than sex-based (though of course the two are highly correlated). | |||
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"Science is science ... How you identify is up to you... have bits removed or added...is up to you Who you find attractive is up to you Wearing what you want is up to you But science is science
Tits and fanny = female
Cock and balls = male.
People then choose a sexual orientation or direction from there.
Life is pretty simple really.That is right science is very easy and your genitals determine if you are male or female
We agree What people choose to identify as is up to them snd personally, I couldn't care one bit. It's their choice.
Yep. This."Same here, it is then up to them who they want to be | |||
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"She was totally in the right. " She sure was that | |||
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"What’s a terf? It stands for trans exclusionary radical feminists. But it's used as a derogatory term against any woman who acknowledges biological differences between women and men (including those who are trans) and agree that sex is not the same as gender and human beings can't change their biological sex. Do you think people are are too quick with the Terf label and instead use it as a way of shutting down debate? Unfortunately, that is the way the country is going. " People are certainly quick to respond without finding out the facts. Those defending Rowling here for instance. | |||
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"People are certainly quick to respond without finding out the facts. Those defending Rowling here for instance." Agreed. Rowling is defending a person who bullied one of her client's employees and so didn't have her contract renewed. | |||
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"People are certainly quick to respond without finding out the facts. Those defending Rowling here for instance. Agreed. Rowling is defending a person who bullied one of her client's employees and so didn't have her contract renewed." Although it's not the first time people have gone after Rowling for her views. | |||
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"People are certainly quick to respond without finding out the facts. Those defending Rowling here for instance. Agreed. Rowling is defending a person who bullied one of her client's employees and so didn't have her contract renewed. Although it's not the first time people have gone after Rowling for her views." It's not the first dodgy statement she's made. | |||
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"People are certainly quick to respond without finding out the facts. Those defending Rowling here for instance. Agreed. Rowling is defending a person who bullied one of her client's employees and so didn't have her contract renewed. Although it's not the first time people have gone after Rowling for her views. It's not the first dodgy statement she's made. " I was referring to her following particular known feminist on twitter which drew a lot of negative attention. | |||
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"Lots of religious people think being gay is a sin and manage to get through their days without telling their gay colleagues they're going to hell. This isn't about freedom of speech, this is about being able to earn a day's pay without being forced to suffer a day's bigotry. Just shut up when you're at work, and post your opinions on Fabs instead." But stating that men simply aren't the same as women isn't bigotry. It's a fact. | |||
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"I was referring to her following particular known feminist on twitter which drew a lot of negative attention." Yes, and her publicist laughed it off as a "middle aged moment" or something. Pretty clear that was a lie. | |||
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"I was referring to her following particular known feminist on twitter which drew a lot of negative attention. Yes, and her publicist laughed it off as a "middle aged moment" or something. Pretty clear that was a lie." I mean, maybe she followed that person because she agreed with them, maybe not but even if she did she's entitled to her views without being the subject of a witch hunt. | |||
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"But stating that men simply aren't the same as women isn't bigotry. It's a fact." Constantly telling someone at work that you're gonna call them a man no matter what they ask you to call them is not a matter of facts, it's a matter of getting on with your job. We don't need mandatory genital checks at the office, just call someone Ms or Dr or whatever else they ask to be called, and expect them to show the same courtesy. | |||
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"Even if our bodies function perfectly well we will feel pain, menstrual cramps, sore breasts, for some of us childbirth. It's there in our dna from day one. And it's something that only a cis woman can relate to. *some women. You're getting dangerously close to only saying that women with functioning reproductive organs are women. there are many women walking around with testes instead of ovaries, or no ovaries (sometimes no uterus), blissfully unaware until/unless they try to have children - one of the many examples of how sex defies simplicity. When they find out a common feeling is that they feel "incomplete", not "real women", because of reductive ideas of sex and gender like your own. Women have been oppressed, and should find solidarity with one another (and good men should be their allies). But the idea that there is some specific set of experiences that distinguishes a woman is going to exclude a lot of women that everyone considered to be women all along, as well as some women that were assigned male at birth." I wasn't saying that at all and I think you know that. | |||
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"I wasn't saying that at all and I think you know that. " All I can read is what you've written, and your definition of a woman excluded a whole lot of cis women, let alone trans women. | |||
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"But stating that men simply aren't the same as women isn't bigotry. It's a fact. Constantly telling someone at work that you're gonna call them a man no matter what they ask you to call them is not a matter of facts, it's a matter of getting on with your job. We don't need mandatory genital checks at the office, just call someone Ms or Dr or whatever else they ask to be called, and expect them to show the same courtesy." But just because someone identifies as something doesn't make it a fact. I could identify as a medical doctor and demand people go along with it to validate me but that doesn't make it true. | |||
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"I wasn't saying that at all and I think you know that. All I can read is what you've written, and your definition of a woman excluded a whole lot of cis women, let alone trans women." So if a woman has no ovaries then she doesn't menstruate? Correct? | |||
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"I wasn't saying that at all and I think you know that. All I can read is what you've written, and your definition of a woman excluded a whole lot of cis women, let alone trans women." What is a CIS woman? | |||
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"I wasn't saying that at all and I think you know that. All I can read is what you've written, and your definition of a woman excluded a whole lot of cis women, let alone trans women. What is a CIS woman?" Someone who is born female. | |||
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"I wasn't saying that at all and I think you know that. All I can read is what you've written, and your definition of a woman excluded a whole lot of cis women, let alone trans women. What is a CIS woman? Someone who is born female. " Ah, a woman Only idiots need a label for everything  | |||
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"But just because someone identifies as something doesn't make it a fact. I could identify as a medical doctor and demand people go along with it to validate me but that doesn't make it true." If you run a business, and one of your clients has a trans employee, and you decide that you're going to take issue with their identity, are you expecting your client to keep using your services? Rowling is in the wrong, regardless of your opinions on trans people. | |||
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"I wasn't saying that at all and I think you know that. All I can read is what you've written, and your definition of a woman excluded a whole lot of cis women, let alone trans women. What is a CIS woman? Someone who is born female. Ah, a woman Only idiots need a label for everything "This particular woman has crewed many trans friendly events and part of her wishes she hadn't bothered. | |||
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"But just because someone identifies as something doesn't make it a fact. I could identify as a medical doctor and demand people go along with it to validate me but that doesn't make it true. If you run a business, and one of your clients has a trans employee, and you decide that you're going to take issue with their identity, are you expecting your client to keep using your services? Rowling is in the wrong, regardless of your opinions on trans people." Well clearly neither of us are going to feel differently about this than we already do. So there's not much more to be said here. | |||
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"I don’t think either lady said what they said out of hate or phobia - but that said, I’m very disappointed - particularly with jk Rowling as she is well aware that she has a huge following and is therefore an ‘influencer’! Many people, sadly, possess an inability to empathise with and understand others who aren’t like them. A generation or so ago many people were unable to accept or come to terms with those who are gay or bi - and the road to complete acceptance from (most) of the population was a long and hard one! Unfortunately trans people are still barely half way down the road and they’re still meeting with a lot of ignorance and lack of empathy! To me it’s simple. I put myself into someone else’s mindset. How would I feel if I looked at a woman in the mirror every day if! Inside, everything about me screamed at me that I was a man? That’s how I imagine that it must feel for trans people initially - bloody wretched! - and I’d want to do everything I could to align what I felt in my head/body with what I saw in the mirror! I find that pretty easy to understand and empathise with - and fail to comprehend why other supposedly intelligent people can’t! Personally I’m less able to understand ‘non binary’ people - but that should always be my problem, not theirs - and I absolutely defend the right of anyone who wishes to be referred to as Male, female or ‘they’! At the end of the day they have to be true to themselves - not everyone else! X" | |||
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"I wasn't saying that at all and I think you know that. All I can read is what you've written, and your definition of a woman excluded a whole lot of cis women, let alone trans women. What is a CIS woman? Someone who is born female. Ah, a woman Only idiots need a label for everything
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"I wasn't saying that at all and I think you know that. All I can read is what you've written, and your definition of a woman excluded a whole lot of cis women, let alone trans women." How would you define a woman then, so as not to exclude anyone in the world who may identify as a woman in one way or another?? By nature giving something a definition will mean that someone is excluded in the world today. | |||
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"I wasn't saying that at all and I think you know that. All I can read is what you've written, and your definition of a woman excluded a whole lot of cis women, let alone trans women. What is a CIS woman? Someone who is born female. Ah, a woman Only idiots need a label for everything
This particular woman has crewed many trans friendly events and part of her wishes she hadn't bothered.
Why do you feel that way? "Because I wanted to feel like I was being inclusive. I wanted to feel like I was doing something for people who get little or no understanding or kindness from the rest of the world, I wanted to be part of something that said hey come and play with us, you can be yourself here. I invite tvs to my home to play with me and my boyfriend, he loves to spank them. We've never played with any trans people but they'd be every bit as welcome. I want inclusion but I'm starting to think that not everyone does. I don't really wish I hadn't bothered and I do it again but it hurts to be made to feel like a transphobe. It really does. | |||
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"I wasn't saying that at all and I think you know that. All I can read is what you've written, and your definition of a woman excluded a whole lot of cis women, let alone trans women. How would you define a woman then, so as not to exclude anyone in the world who may identify as a woman in one way or another?? By nature giving something a definition will mean that someone is excluded in the world today. " I didn't define anything. I posted about a fundamental difference between men and women. | |||
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"I wasn't saying that at all and I think you know that. All I can read is what you've written, and your definition of a woman excluded a whole lot of cis women, let alone trans women. What is a CIS woman? Someone who is born female. Ah, a woman Only idiots need a label for everything
This particular woman has crewed many trans friendly events and part of her wishes she hadn't bothered.
Why do you feel that way?
Because I wanted to feel like I was being inclusive. I wanted to feel like I was doing something for people who get little or no understanding or kindness from the rest of the world, I wanted to be part of something that said hey come and play with us, you can be yourself here. I invite tvs to my home to play with me and my boyfriend, he loves to spank them. We've never played with any trans people but they'd be every bit as welcome. I want inclusion but I'm starting to think that not everyone does. I don't really wish I hadn't bothered and I do it again but it hurts to be made to feel like a transphobe. It really does. "Thanks for clarifying. It's so sad that you feel that way. You don't come across to me as being transphobic and not sure why you feel this way. Words are easily misinterpreted in the forums unfortunately x | |||
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"I wasn't saying that at all and I think you know that. All I can read is what you've written, and your definition of a woman excluded a whole lot of cis women, let alone trans women. What is a CIS woman? Someone who is born female. Ah, a woman Only idiots need a label for everything "We have the word cis as the opposite of trans, for the same reason that we have right as the opposite of left, up as the opposite of down. If i want to refer to the subset of people who write using their right hand, i say right handed people. I don't say not-left-handed people. And i certainly don't say "normal people" or "proper people" or just "people", as it's bloody rude to imply that left handed people are abnormal, not proper, or not people. Trans women are the subset of women that are transgender. Cis women are the subset of women who are cisgender. Women are the totality of women. That's the english language. It's not new fangled liberal namby pamby nonsense. Get used to it. Otherwise you are just rude and ignorant, glorifying your own rudeness and ignorance. | |||
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" Because I wanted to feel like I Thanks for clarifying. It's so sad that you feel that way. You don't come across to me as being transphobic and not sure why you feel this way. Words are easily misinterpreted in the forums unfortunately x" | |||
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"I wasn't saying that at all and I think you know that. All I can read is what you've written, and your definition of a woman excluded a whole lot of cis women, let alone trans women. What is a CIS woman? Someone who is born female. Ah, a woman Only idiots need a label for everything
This particular woman has crewed many trans friendly events and part of her wishes she hadn't bothered.
Why do you feel that way?
Because I wanted to feel like I was being inclusive. I wanted to feel like I was doing something for people who get little or no understanding or kindness from the rest of the world, I wanted to be part of something that said hey come and play with us, you can be yourself here. I invite tvs to my home to play with me and my boyfriend, he loves to spank them. We've never played with any trans people but they'd be every bit as welcome. I want inclusion but I'm starting to think that not everyone does. I don't really wish I hadn't bothered and I do it again but it hurts to be made to feel like a transphobe. It really does.
Thanks for clarifying. It's so sad that you feel that way. You don't come across to me as being transphobic and not sure why you feel this way. Words are easily misinterpreted in the forums unfortunately x"I'd just like to see more understanding of everyone by everyone. My son taught me the expression "you do you". I just want to do me and support everyone else to do them. If that makes sense  | |||
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"How would you define a woman then" "Woman" is a gender, not a sex. People are usually told what gender they are at birth, most are happy with that, and that's fine. Doctors and midwives are often expected to choose the gender, though - some people are born with "ambiguous genitalia" and undergo medical practices that their parents keep secret from them all their lives. This practice gives lie to the issue of "binary sex" because we know in practice people are "forced" in to one of two genders at birth. Sex is messy, and there's not an agreed upon definition. We know it's not binary - people can be born XX/XY/XXY (and other combinations), and your genes don't always define your phenotype (you could be a woman with male sex chromosomes, for example - even entirely healthy). We know that lots of people have one gonad that doesn't match their gender (woman with a testicle, man with an ovary, or even hybrid "ovitestes") and they never find out because the other one works just fine. And we know that most people don't know their sex, if by sex you mean XX/XY, because most people don't get tested to find out. So these people saying they're "biologically XX" are almost all just guessing (though statistically many of them will be right). But we also know that gender-based violence, gender pay gap etc doesn't stop to do a DNA test. (Also: nobody is arguing that people can change their sex, so claiming you can't is pointless. At least, not widely - we do actually have technology that could in theory change someone's chromosomal sex (we're just not developing that because.. why would we)) | |||
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"So many of the posts on this thread from LGBT people and their supporters have a threatening tone to them. "That tends to be the case, whatever the medium. They stand fo freedom and equality for all, as long as you don't question them. | |||
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"I wasn't saying that at all and I think you know that. All I can read is what you've written, and your definition of a woman excluded a whole lot of cis women, let alone trans women. What is a CIS woman? Someone who is born female. Ah, a woman Only idiots need a label for everything
We have the word cis as the opposite of trans, for the same reason that we have right as the opposite of left, up as the opposite of down.
If i want to refer to the subset of people who write using their right hand, i say right handed people. I don't say not-left-handed people. And i certainly don't say "normal people" or "proper people" or just "people", as it's bloody rude to imply that left handed people are abnormal, not proper, or not people.
Trans women are the subset of women that are transgender. Cis women are the subset of women who are cisgender. Women are the totality of women.
That's the english language. It's not new fangled liberal namby pamby nonsense. Get used to it.
Otherwise you are just rude and ignorant, glorifying your own rudeness and ignorance."Like I said, a woman. No need for cis, we all know what a woman is. | |||
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"So many of the posts on this thread from LGBT people and their supporters have a threatening tone to them.
That tends to be the case, whatever the medium. They stand fo freedom and equality for all, as long as you don't question them."Nobody has been threatening towards anyone. | |||
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"I wasn't saying that at all and I think you know that. All I can read is what you've written, and your definition of a woman excluded a whole lot of cis women, let alone trans women. What is a CIS woman? Someone who is born female. Ah, a woman Only idiots need a label for everything
This particular woman has crewed many trans friendly events and part of her wishes she hadn't bothered.
Why do you feel that way?
Because I wanted to feel like I was being inclusive. I wanted to feel like I was doing something for people who get little or no understanding or kindness from the rest of the world, I wanted to be part of something that said hey come and play with us, you can be yourself here. I invite tvs to my home to play with me and my boyfriend, he loves to spank them. We've never played with any trans people but they'd be every bit as welcome. I want inclusion but I'm starting to think that not everyone does. I don't really wish I hadn't bothered and I do it again but it hurts to be made to feel like a transphobe. It really does.
Thanks for clarifying. It's so sad that you feel that way. You don't come across to me as being transphobic and not sure why you feel this way. Words are easily misinterpreted in the forums unfortunately x
I'd just like to see more understanding of everyone by everyone. My son taught me the expression "you do you". I just want to do me and support everyone else to do them. If that makes sense "Thank you for explaining more. It is so easy to get misunderstood on internet forums, we write words but can't show the underlying feelings. I know that i sometimes come over as being a bit aggressive about trans rights, in the real world i am hopefully a nicer person. But i have been involved in transgender support organisations for over ten years, and have seen many instances of less self confident trans people being utterly crushed by the casual (and sometimes not so casual) transphobia of the society around them. People i know have retreated into self-imposed isolation. People i know have been driven to ill health. People i know have committed suicide. I could go on forever (yes, i usually go on for too long!). If anyone wants to PM me to seriously discuss transgender concerns, or even meet socially if close enough, please do. Peace and love, Polly xx | |||
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"So many of the posts on this thread from LGBT people and their supporters have a threatening tone to them.
That tends to be the case, whatever the medium. They stand fo freedom and equality for all, as long as you don't question them.
Nobody has been threatening towards anyone."No,but like many controversial subjects, if anyone has a different perspective, they can be vilified for expressing it. The irony is, that in order for people to understand, it needs an opposing perspective to raise pertinent points. Sadly with the advent of social media, and its ability to not only offer a platform for opinion, but to destroy a person's life; people harbour opinions and ignorance, as opposed to being able to debate. The only reason anyone's learnt from this including myself( never heard of a TERF) is down to an opposing perspective. Long may they continue for our education. | |||
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"No,but like many controversial subjects, if anyone has a different perspective, they can be vilified for expressing it." While that's unsurprising (this is people's lives, it's not simply abstract or academic) I don't think anyone's particularly vilified anyone else in this thread. Rowling should be vilified. She knows how much power she has, and she's using it to push a false narrative that harms trans people. She should be ashamed of herself (though she probably actually sees trans women as a threat to other women, which is absurd, and so sees it as a noble cause ) | |||
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"No,but like many controversial subjects, if anyone has a different perspective, they can be vilified for expressing it. While that's unsurprising (this is people's lives, it's not simply abstract or academic) I don't think anyone's particularly vilified anyone else in this thread. Rowling should be vilified. She knows how much power she has, and she's using it to push a false narrative that harms trans people. She should be ashamed of herself (though she probably actually sees trans women as a threat to other women, which is absurd, and so sees it as a noble cause )"No I agree, no ones been vilified on the thread, but I'm pretty sure some folk would approach this thread with trepidation. Rowling has the right to her opinion. I'd say her comment has ironically done more good for those shes making reference to than harm? | |||
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"No,but like many controversial subjects, if anyone has a different perspective, they can be vilified for expressing it. While that's unsurprising (this is people's lives, it's not simply abstract or academic) I don't think anyone's particularly vilified anyone else in this thread. Rowling should be vilified. She knows how much power she has, and she's using it to push a false narrative that harms trans people. She should be ashamed of herself (though she probably actually sees trans women as a threat to other women, which is absurd, and so sees it as a noble cause )"A threat in what way? | |||
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"Rowling has the right to her opinion. I'd say her comment has ironically done more good for those shes making reference to than harm? " She does have a right to her opinion, but it's also reasonable to hold her to account both for expressing opinions that cause harm and for the abuse of the platform she enjoys. Just like the referendum starting a spike in racial attacks, there has been a link between people like Rowling supporting these views and attacks on both trans women and cis women that people suspect are trans. Again, while it has "ignited debate" it also has a cost. | |||
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"Rowling has the right to her opinion. I'd say her comment has ironically done more good for those shes making reference to than harm? She does have a right to her opinion, but it's also reasonable to hold her to account both for expressing opinions that cause harm and for the abuse of the platform she enjoys. Just like the referendum starting a spike in racial attacks, there has been a link between people like Rowling supporting these views and attacks on both trans women and cis women that people suspect are trans. Again, while it has "ignited debate" it also has a cost." | |||
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"She didn't get attacked because of what she said. It's more the fact she sided with a TERF. She also made statements about gays "Love who you want behind closed doors" like gay men cannot express the same level of love for each other as a straight couple can. It's just outdated logic. Personally, I don't see why so many jumped on her with aggression, but leave them too it. Next big movie: Harry Potter and the chamber of TERFS Lol" she actually said that about gay people??? | |||
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"I don’t think either lady said what they said out of hate or phobia - but that said, I’m very disappointed - particularly with jk Rowling as she is well aware that she has a huge following and is therefore an ‘influencer’! Many people, sadly, possess an inability to empathise with and understand others who aren’t like them. A generation or so ago many people were unable to accept or come to terms with those who are gay or bi - and the road to complete acceptance from (most) of the population was a long and hard one! Unfortunately trans people are still barely half way down the road and they’re still meeting with a lot of ignorance and lack of empathy! To me it’s simple. I put myself into someone else’s mindset. How would I feel if I looked at a woman in the mirror every day if! Inside, everything about me screamed at me that I was a man? That’s how I imagine that it must feel for trans people initially - bloody wretched! - and I’d want to do everything I could to align what I felt in my head/body with what I saw in the mirror! I find that pretty easy to understand and empathise with - and fail to comprehend why other supposedly intelligent people can’t! Personally I’m less able to understand ‘non binary’ people - but that should always be my problem, not theirs - and I absolutely defend the right of anyone who wishes to be referred to as Male, female or ‘they’! At the end of the day they have to be true to themselves - not everyone else! X" You've only got to search for Trans in the forums to see how much Fabs is riddled with transphobia too.It's funny the owners never challenge it but if someone who's Trans gets into a debate they get banned from using fabs. Maybe the owners are TERFS too? Lmao! | |||
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"A threat in what way?" The gauntlet runs from fear that men will "transition" to gain access to women's shelters (ignoring that safeguarding is already done at those shelters, because abusive lesbian partners exist as well as other women-on-women violence, like family of the abuser - oh, and also that you need to make a sworn statement to transition, it's not something you "just do") to a belief that trans women are just a conspiracy by men to further subjugate women (or similar "trans rights dilute women's rights" arguments). It really isn't all that different from the fear over gay people in the 80s (and even now, in other countries) "corrupting children", etc. We will one day be embarrassed about how we treated trans people, like we're ashamed of our homophobic past now. | |||
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"How would you define a woman then "Woman" is a gender, not a sex. People are usually told what gender they are at birth, most are happy with that, and that's fine. Doctors and midwives are often expected to choose the gender, though - some people are born with "ambiguous genitalia" and undergo medical practices that their parents keep secret from them all their lives. This practice gives lie to the issue of "binary sex" because we know in practice people are "forced" in to one of two genders at birth. Sex is messy, and there's not an agreed upon definition. We know it's not binary - people can be born XX/XY/XXY (and other combinations), and your genes don't always define your phenotype (you could be a woman with male sex chromosomes, for example - even entirely healthy). We know that lots of people have one gonad that doesn't match their gender (woman with a testicle, man with an ovary, or even hybrid "ovitestes") and they never find out because the other one works just fine. And we know that most people don't know their sex, if by sex you mean XX/XY, because most people don't get tested to find out. So these people saying they're "biologically XX" are almost all just guessing (though statistically many of them will be right). But we also know that gender-based violence, gender pay gap etc doesn't stop to do a DNA test. (Also: nobody is arguing that people can change their sex, so claiming you can't is pointless. At least, not widely - we do actually have technology that could in theory change someone's chromosomal sex (we're just not developing that because.. why would we))" The thing is, You can't change sex. It's impossible without scientists having access to the DNA coding in our bodies and I wish trans people would just accept that and stop getting so aggressive when someone tells them they aint "Real women". I will never deny my sex - however, I fit myself into a male or female world. I present myself female, I'm legally female so therefore, I sit in the female box in terms of my gender and identity. You can have sex reassignment surgery which corrects the genital sex - and it does have biologic and mental changes, however, it would never re-wire the whole bodies coding. The sex would always be "Male" - or, if you have your documents legally changed, it would be "Mx" on a doctors system. I for one don't get too snowflakey around this argument. If it's used in a way to try belittle, bully or target someone, that's a different kettle of fish altogether. She was just merely agreeing with a TERF - and as much as she has every right to a opinion, she should know the backlash it was going to cause. Not everyone accepts their birth sex... | |||
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"A threat in what way? The gauntlet runs from fear that men will "transition" to gain access to women's shelters (ignoring that safeguarding is already done at those shelters, because abusive lesbian partners exist as well as other women-on-women violence, like family of the abuser - oh, and also that you need to make a sworn statement to transition, it's not something you "just do") to a belief that trans women are just a conspiracy by men to further subjugate women (or similar "trans rights dilute women's rights" arguments). It really isn't all that different from the fear over gay people in the 80s (and even now, in other countries) "corrupting children", etc. We will one day be embarrassed about how we treated trans people, like we're ashamed of our homophobic past now." The thing with TERFs is they hate all men. Funnily, there is men who side with them yet, TERFs will use the "All Men Are....". Just like they like to think trans women are soley into other women. Nope. I love dicks too much so im sure the last thing I'd be looking at in a changing room is a middle aged woman. I mean, being trans, I don't even want to be in there longer than needed myself so I'm in and out haha! There ideologies are harmful not only to trans women, but to men aswell. And to think, how many of these terfs have sons? Are they too going to tell their sons they are mol*sters, r*pists and objectifying oppressors to women with no exceptions? I only have to wonder... | |||
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"So biological sex is different to gender sex? " Sex is deep coded and identified by DNA structures. Gender is physical/mental fused by neurons in the brain and stem cells in the body | |||
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"A threat in what way? The gauntlet runs from fear that men will "transition" to gain access to women's shelters (ignoring that safeguarding is already done at those shelters, because abusive lesbian partners exist as well as other women-on-women violence, like family of the abuser - oh, and also that you need to make a sworn statement to transition, it's not something you "just do") to a belief that trans women are just a conspiracy by men to further subjugate women (or similar "trans rights dilute women's rights" arguments). It really isn't all that different from the fear over gay people in the 80s (and even now, in other countries) "corrupting children", etc. We will one day be embarrassed about how we treated trans people, like we're ashamed of our homophobic past now. The thing with TERFs is they hate all men. Funnily, there is men who side with them yet, TERFs will use the "All Men Are....". Just like they like to think trans women are soley into other women. Nope. I love dicks too much so im sure the last thing I'd be looking at in a changing room is a middle aged woman. I mean, being trans, I don't even want to be in there longer than needed myself so I'm in and out haha! There ideologies are harmful not only to trans women, but to men aswell. And to think, how many of these terfs have sons? Are they too going to tell their sons they are mol*sters, r*pists and objectifying oppressors to women with no exceptions? I only have to wonder... " I'm in awe of your posts, chick  | |||
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"A threat in what way? The gauntlet runs from fear that men will "transition" to gain access to women's shelters (ignoring that safeguarding is already done at those shelters, because abusive lesbian partners exist as well as other women-on-women violence, like family of the abuser - oh, and also that you need to make a sworn statement to transition, it's not something you "just do") to a belief that trans women are just a conspiracy by men to further subjugate women (or similar "trans rights dilute women's rights" arguments). It really isn't all that different from the fear over gay people in the 80s (and even now, in other countries) "corrupting children", etc. We will one day be embarrassed about how we treated trans people, like we're ashamed of our homophobic past now. The thing with TERFs is they hate all men. Funnily, there is men who side with them yet, TERFs will use the "All Men Are....". Just like they like to think trans women are soley into other women. Nope. I love dicks too much so im sure the last thing I'd be looking at in a changing room is a middle aged woman. I mean, being trans, I don't even want to be in there longer than needed myself so I'm in and out haha! There ideologies are harmful not only to trans women, but to men aswell. And to think, how many of these terfs have sons? Are they too going to tell their sons they are mol*sters, r*pists and objectifying oppressors to women with no exceptions? I only have to wonder... I'm in awe of your posts, chick "I like to think of myself as a feminist. Always preaching about female rights and trying to have a healthier discussion when it comes to equality for women - however, TERFs will not allow Trans women to fight for womens freedoms or to voice support towards fighting for it either and this is the problematic part. They will diffuse your sexuality and instantly say how you are a threat to women sexually, you're a threat to children and therefore should not have a voice for women. It's harmful. IF only OP knew why people got so mad at JK for siding with a women who beholds these kind of views - he may understand why the media had a good say in it. xx | |||
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"So biological sex is different to gender sex? Sex is deep coded and identified by DNA structures. Gender is physical/mental fused by neurons in the brain and stem cells in the body So... is that a yes? Oh, you can read? Well done sherlock. Here's a gold star and a pack of crayolas xoxo No need to be a prick about it. " Ooooooh Touche  | |||
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I like to think of myself as a feminist. Always preaching about female rights and trying to have a healthier discussion when it comes to equality for women - however, TERFs will not allow Trans women to fight for womens freedoms or to voice support towards fighting for it either and this is the problematic part. They will diffuse your sexuality and instantly say how you are a threat to women sexually, you're a threat to children and therefore should not have a voice for women. It's harmful. IF only OP knew why people got so mad at JK for siding with a women who beholds these kind of views - he may understand why the media had a good say in it. xx"TERFs don't like me either. I'm very traditional in many ways, I'm passive and compliant and genuinely happiest looking after a man, taking it as read that it's a man who deserves it. I've been accused of being a doormat and a bad feminist and lots of other things. I thought the point of feminism was that I got to choose for myself what I wanted. I'm a very intelligent, educated woman, I know what makes me happy. I've got nothing but admiration for women who eschew tradition and succeed in fields that have traditionally been male dominated. But that's not me, this is me. Motherhood and looking after my man and making him feel like a king. Isn't that OK if its what I want? | |||
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"So biological sex is different to gender sex? Sex is deep coded and identified by DNA structures. Gender is physical/mental fused by neurons in the brain and stem cells in the body So... is that a yes? Oh, you can read? Well done sherlock. Here's a gold star and a pack of crayolas xoxo No need to be a prick about it. Ooooooh Touche "Or touchy?  | |||
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"Are we at the point where cis-women's usefulness is really limited to breeding? Trans women being physically superior in sports etc. " Nong Rose is the only professional trans athlete I respect. | |||
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" I'm in awe of your posts, chick
I like to think of myself as a feminist. Always preaching about female rights and trying to have a healthier discussion when it comes to equality for women - however, TERFs will not allow Trans women to fight for womens freedoms or to voice support towards fighting for it either and this is the problematic part. They will diffuse your sexuality and instantly say how you are a threat to women sexually, you're a threat to children and therefore should not have a voice for women. It's harmful. IF only OP knew why people got so mad at JK for siding with a women who beholds these kind of views - he may understand why the media had a good say in it. xx
TERFs don't like me either. I'm very traditional in many ways, I'm passive and compliant and genuinely happiest looking after a man, taking it as read that it's a man who deserves it. I've been accused of being a doormat and a bad feminist and lots of other things. I thought the point of feminism was that I got to choose for myself what I wanted. I'm a very intelligent, educated woman, I know what makes me happy. I've got nothing but admiration for women who eschew tradition and succeed in fields that have traditionally been male dominated. But that's not me, this is me. Motherhood and looking after my man and making him feel like a king. Isn't that OK if its what I want? "LOVE THIS! Amen.. .Amen... AMEN! TERFs need to STOP dragging confident women down to their level. Feminism is not about turning full lesbian and tarnishing men with the "All men are brush". Feminism is about engaging in healthy debates to ensure womens rights are heard - to a full extent. TERFism is just backwards bullshit not only to trans women but to men and those women who don't follow their ideologies. Props to you sweetie! X | |||
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" TERFs don't like me either. I'm very traditional in many ways, I'm passive and compliant and genuinely happiest looking after a man, taking it as read that it's a man who deserves it. I've been accused of being a doormat and a bad feminist and lots of other things. I thought the point of feminism was that I got to choose for myself what I wanted. I'm a very intelligent, educated woman, I know what makes me happy. I've got nothing but admiration for women who eschew tradition and succeed in fields that have traditionally been male dominated. But that's not me, this is me. Motherhood and looking after my man and making him feel like a king. Isn't that OK if its what I want? LOVE THIS! Amen.. .Amen... AMEN! TERFs need to STOP dragging confident women down to their level. Feminism is not about turning full lesbian and tarnishing men with the "All men are brush". Feminism is about engaging in healthy debates to ensure womens rights are heard - to a full extent. TERFism is just backwards bullshit not only to trans women but to men and those women who don't follow their ideologies. Props to you sweetie! X" You're a doll | |||
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"So biological sex is different to gender sex? Sex is deep coded and identified by DNA structures. Gender is physical/mental fused by neurons in the brain and stem cells in the body So... is that a yes? Oh, you can read? Well done sherlock. Here's a gold star and a pack of crayolas xoxo No need to be a prick about it. " Biological or gender prick? | |||
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"So biological sex is different to gender sex? Sex is deep coded and identified by DNA structures. Gender is physical/mental fused by neurons in the brain and stem cells in the body So... is that a yes? Oh, you can read? Well done sherlock. Here's a gold star and a pack of crayolas xoxo No need to be a prick about it. Biological or gender prick? "God knows... | |||
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"So biological sex is different to gender sex? Sex is deep coded and identified by DNA structures. Gender is physical/mental fused by neurons in the brain and stem cells in the body So... is that a yes? Oh, you can read? Well done sherlock. Here's a gold star and a pack of crayolas xoxo No need to be a prick about it. Biological or gender prick?
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"So many of the posts on this thread from LGBT people and their supporters have a threatening tone to them.
That tends to be the case, whatever the medium. They stand fo freedom and equality for all, as long as you don't question them.""They" do, do "They"? | |||
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"Are we at the point where cis-women's usefulness is really limited to breeding? Trans women being physically superior in sports etc. " That's an incredibly stupid post, even for you. Good grief. | |||
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"Are we at the point where cis-women's usefulness is really limited to breeding? Trans women being physically superior in sports etc. That's an incredibly stupid post, even for you. Good grief." Oh no! YOU think it was a stupid post!! How will i sleep at night??!! pfft | |||
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"Are we at the point where cis-women's usefulness is really limited to breeding? Trans women being physically superior in sports etc. That's an incredibly stupid post, even for you. Good grief. Oh no! YOU think it was a stupid post!! How will i sleep at night??!! pfft"It's not really up for debate; it's objectively stupid to suggest that if cis women can't play professional sports, they only have worth as baby makers. I'd go to bed, you sound like you've had a few too many. | |||
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"Are we at the point where cis-women's usefulness is really limited to breeding? Trans women being physically superior in sports etc. That's an incredibly stupid post, even for you. Good grief. Oh no! YOU think it was a stupid post!! How will i sleep at night??!! pfft
It's not really up for debate; it's objectively stupid to suggest that if cis women can't play professional sports, they only have worth as baby makers.
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"This is a perfect example of how a small, very aggressive and vocal minority is intimidating a majority in society (not fab) from expressing their mind for fear of losing their job and their livelihood. You have the example of someone on this thread who supports this community being made to feel uncomfortable because some of its members and those who support them are incapable of accepting that not everyone agrees with their viewpoint! Even worse, they go to great lengths to regularly smear anyone who disagrees with them with the term transphobe which is both unfair and a slander. Someone mentioned on a thread the other day they felt that support for the LGTBQ cause was weakening of late. If this is true or not I can't say. What I will say is that penalising people for expressing their opinion and then mobbing someone online for daring to express some support for a differing viewpoint won't win any points with the general public. " And not to mention people are being fired and loosing their ability to support their families all because they said something that went against the dogma. Very toxic subject unless you bow and submit | |||
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"She dared to say something true in support of a lady who was sacked over stating a biological fact. Worst thing ever these days apparently "Oh no, you just had to pick up that can of worms and open it didn't you | |||
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"She dared to say something true in support of a lady who was sacked over stating a biological fact. Worst thing ever these days apparently
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"Men can change sex and that's a biological fact." But not women? | |||
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"Men can change sex and that's a biological fact." Also, can we change sex without medical intervention? Hrt etc. | |||
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"Men can change sex and that's a biological fact." I think it's been pretty comprehensively explained that they can't. They can change gender but as yet there's no procedure available that can change a person's dna and change their sex from male to female. Much more info from better informed people contained within the thread | |||
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"Men can change sex and that's a biological fact. I think it's been pretty comprehensively explained that they can't. They can change gender but as yet there's no procedure available that can change a person's dna and change their sex from male to female. Much more info from better informed people contained within the thread " | |||
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"Trans Exclusive Radical Feminist. Regarding genders I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than me can help out. " Thanks. I have an idea. Why dont we agree there are zero genders and instead we are all simply people. Isn't that easier? | |||
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"What is a Terf. How many genders are there? " Ask a fireman. | |||
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"What is a Terf. How many genders are there? Ask a fireman. " Firefighter | |||
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"Like it or not, we all got here by the coupling of male and female. Get over it. God forbid you say anything remotely against anyone that has a gender that is not male or female and you're automatically branded "phobic". Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if you don't like it lump it as you're being discriminating against that person's views you flipping hypocrites. Do my bloody head in you righteous idiots." | |||
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"Like it or not, we all got here by the coupling of male and female. Get over it. God forbid you say anything remotely against anyone that has a gender that is not male or female and you're automatically branded "phobic". Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if you don't like it lump it as you're being discriminating against that person's views you flipping hypocrites. Do my bloody head in you righteous idiots." | |||
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"What is a Terf. How many genders are there? Ask a fireman. Firefighter" "Fighter", doesn't sound very PC. A bit too aggressive. | |||
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"Trans Exclusive Radical Feminist. Regarding genders I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than me can help out. Thanks. I have an idea. Why dont we agree there are zero genders and instead we are all simply people. Isn't that easier?" The number of genders varies depending on who you want to believe. Some organisations say there are 58 distinct genders. If you force the idea of "simply people" you may offend the Bear and Ursula communities. Also, the Two-Spirit community may get upset at the treatment of the Bears. | |||
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"Trans Exclusive Radical Feminist. Regarding genders I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than me can help out. Thanks. I have an idea. Why dont we agree there are zero genders and instead we are all simply people. Isn't that easier?" dont be daft man!! your using common sense | |||
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"Like it or not, we all got here by the coupling of male and female. Get over it. God forbid you say anything remotely against anyone that has a gender that is not male or female and you're automatically branded "phobic". Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if you don't like it lump it as you're being discriminating against that person's views you flipping hypocrites. Do my bloody head in you righteous idiots." What about test tube babies? You don't want to be a testubophobe. | |||
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"What is a Terf. How many genders are there? Ask a fireman. Firefighter "Fighter", doesn't sound very PC. A bit too aggressive." How about toast burnt alarm fitting person? | |||
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"What is a Terf. How many genders are there? Ask a fireman. Firefighter "Fighter", doesn't sound very PC. A bit too aggressive." Have you ever tried to reason with a fire? | |||
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"How do I become a TERF? " You need to start hating all men and any woman who doesn't agree with you. | |||
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"Did the media over react over it, what is your view?" No they didnt. The fact is she demeaned & denied a whole section of society. If those are her beliefs, then fine, but when you have such an influential platform as she does, you have to be responsible. | |||
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