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By *idan31Man
over a year ago
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"If Scotland leave the Union and decide to rebuild Hadrian's wall to form a hard border then is this the politics of division described by some politicians ?"
I could be wrong, but I think it was the English that built the wall in the first place?
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"If Scotland leave the Union and decide to rebuild Hadrian's wall to form a hard border then is this the politics of division described by some politicians ?
I could be wrong, but I think it was the English that built the wall in the first place?
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You are, it was built by the Roman's. |
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"If Scotland leave the Union and decide to rebuild Hadrian's wall to form a hard border then is this the politics of division described by some politicians ?
I could be wrong, but I think it was the English that built the wall in the first place?
The Romans.
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over a year ago
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"As above, the wall is nowhere near the border and was built by the Italians as somewhere to trade with the Scots...
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I'm certain Italy didn't exist when the Romans built it. "
Yes indeed. And though they inhabited modern day Italy, when the Empire fell a lot of their citizens fled to the east, making the area that now has the name "Romania" their home not surprisingly...
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"As above, the wall is nowhere near the border and was built by the Italians as somewhere to trade with the Scots...
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I'm certain Italy didn't exist when the Romans built it.
Yes indeed. And though they inhabited modern day Italy, when the Empire fell a lot of their citizens fled to the east, making the area that now has the name "Romania" their home not surprisingly...
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"As above, the wall is nowhere near the border and was built by the Italians as somewhere to trade with the Scots...
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I'm certain Italy didn't exist when the Romans built it. "
Rome existed tho I am guessing.. |
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over a year ago
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"As above, the wall is nowhere near the border and was built by the Italians as somewhere to trade with the Scots...
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I'm certain Italy didn't exist when the Romans built it.
Rome existed tho I am guessing.."
You would guess correctly, the name was kept as it had been called that for centuries. The same way that the name they gave London was kept, albeit shortened by 3 letters?
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Scotland won't be able to leave the Union because Scotland can only hold a legitimate Independence referendum if the Westminster Parliament devolves the power to do so under Section 30.
The Tories will not do that. |
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By *rimtonMan
over a year ago
Bromley |
"As above, the wall is nowhere near the border and was built by the Italians as somewhere to trade with the Scots...
This
I'm certain Italy didn't exist when the Romans built it.
Yes indeed. And though they inhabited modern day Italy, when the Empire fell a lot of their citizens fled to the east, making the area that now has the name "Romania" their home not surprisingly...
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Kind of true, but Romania was actually where the Romans retired their soldiers to.
Hence the name |
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"As above, the wall is nowhere near the border and was built by the Italians as somewhere to trade with the Scots...
This
I'm certain Italy didn't exist when the Romans built it.
Yes indeed. And though they inhabited modern day Italy, when the Empire fell a lot of their citizens fled to the east, making the area that now has the name "Romania" their home not surprisingly...
B
Kind of true, but Romania was actually where the Romans retired their soldiers to.
Hence the name"
They retired them to where ever it suited them at the time |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's all about re-branding. The Roman Empire became the Holy Roman Empire, which then became The Holy Roman Catholic Church and then just the Roman Catholic church. The current Pope is essentially a re-branded Emperor. |
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"It's all about re-branding. The Roman Empire became the Holy Roman Empire, which then became The Holy Roman Catholic Church and then just the Roman Catholic church. The current Pope is essentially a re-branded Emperor."
The holy roman empire is something entirely different that existed until 1806 when it was dissolved by napoleon. It was a confederation of independent german and italian states under the leadership of an emperor. The emperor was usually an Austrian of the habsburg dynasty |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If Scotland leave the Union and decide to rebuild Hadrian's wall to form a hard border then is this the politics of division described by some politicians ?
I could be wrong, but I think it was the English that built the wall in the first place?
You are, it was built by the Roman's."
What have the Roman’s ever done for us ?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's all about re-branding. The Roman Empire became the Holy Roman Empire, which then became The Holy Roman Catholic Church and then just the Roman Catholic church. The current Pope is essentially a re-branded Emperor.
The holy roman empire is something entirely different that existed until 1806 when it was dissolved by napoleon. It was a confederation of independent german and italian states under the leadership of an emperor. The emperor was usually an Austrian of the habsburg dynasty"
All part of the plot to hide the truth. |
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"It's all about re-branding. The Roman Empire became the Holy Roman Empire, which then became The Holy Roman Catholic Church and then just the Roman Catholic church. The current Pope is essentially a re-branded Emperor.
The holy roman empire is something entirely different that existed until 1806 when it was dissolved by napoleon. It was a confederation of independent german and italian states under the leadership of an emperor. The emperor was usually an Austrian of the habsburg dynasty
All part of the plot to hide the truth. "
What truth are you referring to? |
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By *ocbigMan
over a year ago
Birmingham |
"As above, the wall is nowhere near the border and was built by the Italians as somewhere to trade with the Scots...
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I'm certain Italy didn't exist when the Romans built it.
Rome existed tho I am guessing.."
wasn’t built in a day though |
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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"I think the border shifted over time.. lots of local skirmishes and land grabs I will guess.. it would be cheaper to use Hadrian's wall than build another "
I think you’d find a lot of Geordies, Northumbrians and Cumbrians not in agreement. |
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"I think the border shifted over time.. lots of local skirmishes and land grabs I will guess.. it would be cheaper to use Hadrian's wall than build another
I think you’d find a lot of Geordies, Northumbrians and Cumbrians not in agreement."
Or me. Its almost 2000 years old and almost entirely ruined. |
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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"I think the border shifted over time.. lots of local skirmishes and land grabs I will guess.. it would be cheaper to use Hadrian's wall than build another "
The current border was established in 1237, so I think it’s best left exactly where it is. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"I think the border shifted over time.. lots of local skirmishes and land grabs I will guess.. it would be cheaper to use Hadrian's wall than build another
I think you’d find a lot of Geordies, Northumbrians and Cumbrians not in agreement."
Weren't those areas Scottish at one time. Mainly sheep farmers and the like one day serving an English king and the next a Scottish one. They should be included in the vote in my opinion. Many Northumbrians and Cumbrians may want to stay with the Scots... |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
Antonine. It was a ditch with wooden structures and went from Glasgow across to the rast. Antonine conquered that far up but they withdrew due to military pressure.
They decided to stick at Hadrian's wall |
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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"I think the border shifted over time.. lots of local skirmishes and land grabs I will guess.. it would be cheaper to use Hadrian's wall than build another
I think you’d find a lot of Geordies, Northumbrians and Cumbrians not in agreement.
Weren't those areas Scottish at one time. Mainly sheep farmers and the like one day serving an English king and the next a Scottish one. They should be included in the vote in my opinion. Many Northumbrians and Cumbrians may want to stay with the Scots... "
I’ll repeat, the border was established in 1237, that’s almost 800 years ago. Some Northumbrians and Cumbrians May indeed want to become part of Scotland ( not stay) but most wont. If you’d
ever been north of Watford, you would know that very little actually remains of Hadrians Wall and I’m sure it would be much cheaper to build a new artificial border if that ever became a serious project. |
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"I think the border shifted over time.. lots of local skirmishes and land grabs I will guess.. it would be cheaper to use Hadrian's wall than build another
I think you’d find a lot of Geordies, Northumbrians and Cumbrians not in agreement.
Weren't those areas Scottish at one time. Mainly sheep farmers and the like one day serving an English king and the next a Scottish one. They should be included in the vote in my opinion. Many Northumbrians and Cumbrians may want to stay with the Scots...
I’ll repeat, the border was established in 1237, that’s almost 800 years ago. Some Northumbrians and Cumbrians May indeed want to become part of Scotland ( not stay) but most wont. If you’d
ever been north of Watford, you would know that very little actually remains of Hadrians Wall and I’m sure it would be much cheaper to build a new artificial border if that ever became a serious project."
See I havent been that far north and I knew that. |
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"I think the border shifted over time.. lots of local skirmishes and land grabs I will guess.. it would be cheaper to use Hadrian's wall than build another
I think you’d find a lot of Geordies, Northumbrians and Cumbrians not in agreement.
Weren't those areas Scottish at one time. Mainly sheep farmers and the like one day serving an English king and the next a Scottish one. They should be included in the vote in my opinion. Many Northumbrians and Cumbrians may want to stay with the Scots...
I’ll repeat, the border was established in 1237, that’s almost 800 years ago. Some Northumbrians and Cumbrians May indeed want to become part of Scotland ( not stay) but most wont. If you’d
ever been north of Watford, you would know that very little actually remains of Hadrians Wall and I’m sure it would be much cheaper to build a new artificial border if that ever became a serious project."
Just read up on the treaty of york, very interesting |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Scotland won't be able to leave the Union because Scotland can only hold a legitimate Independence referendum if the Westminster Parliament devolves the power to do so under Section 30.
The Tories will not do that."
The Scots will decide their own destiny. If the SNP increase their majority in the forthcoming Holyrood elections, they will see that as a mandate for independence and good luck with the Westminster Tories trying to stop them. |
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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"If it's a hard border then who pays? I am not sure the border has ever been fixed and there were not maps in those days..
The border would probably split farms in half.. "
I don’t know how many times I have to repeat myself. The border was established by the Treaty of York in 1237 and yes, there were maps way back then and for centuries before that.
I’m also sure there will never be a hard border in the sense you mean. |
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"As above, the wall is nowhere near the border and was built by the Italians as somewhere to trade with the Scots...
This
I'm certain Italy didn't exist when the Romans built it.
Yes indeed. And though they inhabited modern day Italy, when the Empire fell a lot of their citizens fled to the east, making the area that now has the name "Romania" their home not surprisingly...
B
Kind of true, but Romania was actually where the Romans retired their soldiers to.
Hence the name
They retired them to where ever it suited them at the time"
Many were originally from far flung places in their empire and could also end up remaining near the locations they'd been stationed at |
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By *asilForty77Man
over a year ago
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Please! Please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion! Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who. We are here today to witness the union of two young people in the joyful bond of the holy wedlock. Unfortunately, one of them, my son Herbert, has just fallen to his death. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
I think a hard border is unlikely because farms would be split and perhaps even housing estates.. although it would be interesting that a farm could sell both English and Scottish lamb.
The natural border would be Hadrian's wall although it is mostly derelict. I believe that over the last hundred years or so that local housebuilders used it as cheap source of stone to build cottages. I think it is illegal to take stone from Hadrian's wall today mind |
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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"I think a hard border is unlikely because farms would be split and perhaps even housing estates.. although it would be interesting that a farm could sell both English and Scottish lamb.
The natural border would be Hadrian's wall although it is mostly derelict. I believe that over the last hundred years or so that local housebuilders used it as cheap source of stone to build cottages. I think it is illegal to take stone from Hadrian's wall today mind"
Why would the natural border be Hadrian’s a Wall? Why not Edinburgh?
Parts of Essex are nearer to the South Coast than Newcastle is to the English/ Scottish Border. Stone from Hadrians’s Wall will have been taken for other use for nearly 2000 years.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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When the wall was built it was the Caledonians who lived north of there. Then the Picts by the end of the Roman Empire. Then in the Dark Ages the Scots invaded from Hibernia (Ireland).
The Vikings arrived in the 9th and 10th centuries.
So basically Scotland is full of barbarian nutters who we should be glad to be rid of... |
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"I am enjoying my little History lesson here today. "
Here's more then. There was no Kingdom of Scotland until about the middle of the ninth century - hundreds of years after the Romans left Britain.
Romania was Dacia until AD106, when Trajan finally conquered it. That's one of the reasons it was renamed.
The Romans who got their own wee plot of land were retired Legionnaries - and they had to survive 25 years of service in the army to qualify. Back then, no mean feat; even if you weren't on the front line.
As for rebuilding Hadrian's Wall. No. It's a monument to the past. It's a tourist attraction. Leave it be. LOL |
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OP, I'm not sure why you are obsessed with the idea of a Roman wall becoming the border between England and Scotland.
It has never been the border between them and there is no reason for that to change.
There is a very legal and acceptable border already in place, and there has been for centuries. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"OP, I'm not sure why you are obsessed with the idea of a Roman wall becoming the border between England and Scotland.
It has never been the border between them and there is no reason for that to change.
There is a very legal and acceptable border already in place, and there has been for centuries. "
Wall envy. Donald Trump pulled out his giant wall so now we need one too |
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"I am enjoying my little History lesson here today.
Here's more then. There was no Kingdom of Scotland until about the middle of the ninth century - hundreds of years after the Romans left Britain.
Romania was Dacia until AD106, when Trajan finally conquered it. That's one of the reasons it was renamed.
The Romans who got their own wee plot of land were retired Legionnaries - and they had to survive 25 years of service in the army to qualify. Back then, no mean feat; even if you weren't on the front line.
As for rebuilding Hadrian's Wall. No. It's a monument to the past. It's a tourist attraction. Leave it be. LOL"
And ‘officially’, they were finally allow to marry. Although most were already unofficially married to the local indigenous population. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What have the Romans ever given us?
Roads for instance, as there were none before they came.
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Yea but apart from that what have they evet done for us |
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Wallsend (literally where the wall ends) is pretty far from Scotland like. We stole bits of Scotland over the years and if you'd like to know what happens when they try to take land back then look up the Irish 'troubles'.
The wall will remain nothing but a historical landmark.
Visit the roman settlement in Wallsend through, it's pretty cool. |
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"Scotland won't be able to leave the Union because Scotland can only hold a legitimate Independence referendum if the Westminster Parliament devolves the power to do so under Section 30.
The Tories will not do that.
The Scots will decide their own destiny. If the SNP increase their majority in the forthcoming Holyrood elections, they will see that as a mandate for independence and good luck with the Westminster Tories trying to stop them."
Going to need a shitload of popcorn for that one.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Scotland won't be able to leave the Union because Scotland can only hold a legitimate Independence referendum if the Westminster Parliament devolves the power to do so under Section 30.
The Tories will not do
The Scots will decide their own destiny. If the SNP increase their majority in the forthcoming Holyrood elections, they will see that as a mandate for independence and good luck with the Westminster Tories trying to stop them.
Going to need a shitload of popcorn for that one.."
Haha fuck me im so enthralled |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think Scotland should have their independence, then we won't have to hear that poisoned dwarf Sturgeon bleating on about it. And let's rebuild a new wall Along the border too! |
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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"The border has been traditionally the wall that Hadrian built..
Why change thousands of years of history "
No it hasn’t. Where do you get that idea from? Either you’re just a wind up merchant or you have no f***ing knowledge of history
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"What have the Romans ever given us?
Roads for instance, as there were none before they came.
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Yea but apart from that what have they evet done for us "
You could also argue writing and keeping records, which the Romans were rather good at. Before they arrive, the evidence we have for literacy are Iron Age coins, and writing on pots and cavern walls. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The border has been traditionally the wall that Hadrian built..
Why change thousands of years of history "
Hadrian's Wall has never been the border. Never. |
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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"Someone once told me that when the Romans left we went into a dark age when little is known about what was happening. "
It would appear that parts of Essex haven’t yet emerged from the dark age! |
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"Someone once told me that when the Romans left we went into a dark age when little is known about what was happening.
It would appear that parts of Essex haven’t yet emerged from the dark age!"
Normally that's Basildon. |
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"Someone once told me that when the Romans left we went into a dark age when little is known about what was happening.
It would appear that parts of Essex haven’t yet emerged from the dark age!"
Oi! |
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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"Someone once told me that when the Romans left we went into a dark age when little is known about what was happening.
It would appear that parts of Essex haven’t yet emerged from the dark age!
Oi! "
It was a reference to the OP, not Essex in general.
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"Someone once told me that when the Romans left we went into a dark age when little is known about what was happening.
It would appear that parts of Essex haven’t yet emerged from the dark age!
Oi!
It was a reference to the OP, not Essex in general.
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Accepted. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Someone once told me that when the Romans left we went into a dark age when little is known about what was happening. "
Well, everywhere went into a dark age when the classical world finally collapsed. I'd suggest.
The East hobbled on a while longer it could be argued, maybe. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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Well if it wasn't the border then why did the Romans build it there ? I don't trust these so called scholars one bit.
It might not of been totally accurate because the Romans had no maps etc and were primitive but it kept the English safe from the Scottish |
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"Well if it wasn't the border then why did the Romans build it there ? I don't trust these so called scholars one bit.
It might not of been totally accurate because the Romans had no maps etc and were primitive but it kept the English safe from the Scottish "
Wonderful race the Romans |
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