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"Die Hard 2
Both Die Hard and Die Hard 2 are Christmas movies. Both are set on Christmas Eve and have Christmas songs on their soundtracks. "
And it's fun winding people up who are adamant that they aren't proper Christmas films.... I mean, how much more Christmassy is "Now I have a machine gun...Ho Ho Ho "  |
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By *os19Man
over a year ago
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"The wizard of oz and all the Bond films"
. When I was growing up always seemed just after the Queens speech there was a James Bond film on when Sean Connery or Roger Moore played Bond.I always felt The Wizard of Oz was a Christmas film but a lot of people don’t but again growing up If it wasn’t on on Christmas Day then it was on on Boxing Day
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"Die Hard 2
Both Die Hard and Die Hard 2 are Christmas movies. Both are set on Christmas Eve and have Christmas songs on their soundtracks.
And it's fun winding people up who are adamant that they aren't proper Christmas films.... I mean, how much more Christmassy is "Now I have a machine gun...Ho Ho Ho " "
Its a man going to great lengths for his family/wife (and strangers) to save their Christmas. If that's not a Christmas movie, I don't know what is! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Nope, nope! I refuse to get into a debate about Die Hard again. I personally don't view it as a Christmas film, I just know I'll go off on one if I start talking about it. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Nope, nope! I refuse to get into a debate about Die Hard again. I personally don't view it as a Christmas film, I just know I'll go off on one if I start talking about it. "
whispers in ear...John McClane...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Nope, nope! I refuse to get into a debate about Die Hard again. I personally don't view it as a Christmas film, I just know I'll go off on one if I start talking about it.
whispers in ear...John McClane...
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Nope, don't do it. This is not the hill I want to die on.
Ah, fuck it.
I don't view it as a Christmas film because you could remove Christmas from the story and the film would still play out the same way. Hans Gruber would still rob the building, McClane would still visit his family. It's just that it being Christmas made Gruber's plan that much easier. He could have robbed it whenever he wanted. There was nothing about his plan that meant he HAD TO rob it on Christmas Eve.
A Christmas film should obviously be set at Christmas, but I don't think the setting makes it one. Lethal Weapon is set at Christmas, but I wouldn't ever consider it one because you could take the story out of the setting and nothing would change. I think the setting has to be integral to the story for it to be considered a Christmas film.
If you change the setting of a film and the story remains the same on a basic level (kid's family goes on holiday leaving him home alone to fend off burglars, cop visits his wife and gets caught up in a hostage situation) then it's not important to the story.
The Night Before is a Christmas film because it's about three friends who made a vow to always spend Christmas Eve together after one of them loses their parents as a kid. You can't change the setting because it's intrinsically linked to the premise of the film.
I hate that this isn't the first time I've spent debating this. |
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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago
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"Nope, nope! I refuse to get into a debate about Die Hard again. I personally don't view it as a Christmas film, I just know I'll go off on one if I start talking about it.
whispers in ear...John McClane...
Nope, don't do it. This is not the hill I want to die on.
Ah, fuck it.
I don't view it as a Christmas film because you could remove Christmas from the story and the film would still play out the same way. Hans Gruber would still rob the building, McClane would still visit his family. It's just that it being Christmas made Gruber's plan that much easier. He could have robbed it whenever he wanted. There was nothing about his plan that meant he HAD TO rob it on Christmas Eve.
A Christmas film should obviously be set at Christmas, but I don't think the setting makes it one. Lethal Weapon is set at Christmas, but I wouldn't ever consider it one because you could take the story out of the setting and nothing would change. I think the setting has to be integral to the story for it to be considered a Christmas film.
If you change the setting of a film and the story remains the same on a basic level (kid's family goes on holiday leaving him home alone to fend off burglars, cop visits his wife and gets caught up in a hostage situation) then it's not important to the story.
The Night Before is a Christmas film because it's about three friends who made a vow to always spend Christmas Eve together after one of them loses their parents as a kid. You can't change the setting because it's intrinsically linked to the premise of the film.
I hate that this isn't the first time I've spent debating this. "
I disagree. McClane was visiting *because* it was Christmas, the party that meant the execs were there was the Christmas party. Christmas is the intrinsic plot point. Therefore, by your own admission; a Christmas film.
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By *uke OzadeMan
over a year ago
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"Nope, nope! I refuse to get into a debate about Die Hard again. I personally don't view it as a Christmas film, I just know I'll go off on one if I start talking about it.
whispers in ear...John McClane...
Nope, don't do it. This is not the hill I want to die on.
Ah, fuck it.
I don't view it as a Christmas film because you could remove Christmas from the story and the film would still play out the same way. Hans Gruber would still rob the building, McClane would still visit his family. It's just that it being Christmas made Gruber's plan that much easier. He could have robbed it whenever he wanted. There was nothing about his plan that meant he HAD TO rob it on Christmas Eve.
A Christmas film should obviously be set at Christmas, but I don't think the setting makes it one. Lethal Weapon is set at Christmas, but I wouldn't ever consider it one because you could take the story out of the setting and nothing would change. I think the setting has to be integral to the story for it to be considered a Christmas film.
If you change the setting of a film and the story remains the same on a basic level (kid's family goes on holiday leaving him home alone to fend off burglars, cop visits his wife and gets caught up in a hostage situation) then it's not important to the story.
The Night Before is a Christmas film because it's about three friends who made a vow to always spend Christmas Eve together after one of them loses their parents as a kid. You can't change the setting because it's intrinsically linked to the premise of the film.
I hate that this isn't the first time I've spent debating this.
I disagree. McClane was visiting *because* it was Christmas, the party that meant the execs were there was the Christmas party. Christmas is the intrinsic plot point. Therefore, by your own admission; a Christmas film.
*sits back satisfied*"
Lest we forget “now I have a machine gun. Ho ho ho”
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I disagree. McClane was visiting *because* it was Christmas, the party that meant the execs were there was the Christmas party. Christmas is the intrinsic plot point. Therefore, by your own admission; a Christmas film.
*sits back satisfied*"
Ah, but here's the thing, he's a good father and husband. He wouldn't just visit his family on Christmas and never any other time of the year, it's that Christmas is probably the first chance he got since Holly had only been there for six months.
Christmas is a convenient excuse for the writer to explain why McClane visits his family and how Gruber is able to take over the building with such ease (no security).
If Christmas was that integral to the plot, the film would be written so that it's the only time Gruber can rob it. If it was written so that Mr Takagi is needed to get into the vault and Christmas Eve was the only time he'd be in Los Angeles, then yeah I'd call it a Christmas film.
I knew this would happen. The moment I clicked on the thread, I knew I'd be having this debate. I need to re-evaluate my life choices lol. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I disagree. McClane was visiting *because* it was Christmas, the party that meant the execs were there was the Christmas party. Christmas is the intrinsic plot point. Therefore, by your own admission; a Christmas film.
*sits back satisfied*
Ah, but here's the thing, he's a good father and husband. He wouldn't just visit his family on Christmas and never any other time of the year, it's that Christmas is probably the first chance he got since Holly had only been there for six months.
Christmas is a convenient excuse for the writer to explain why McClane visits his family and how Gruber is able to take over the building with such ease (no security).
If Christmas was that integral to the plot, the film would be written so that it's the only time Gruber can rob it. If it was written so that Mr Takagi is needed to get into the vault and Christmas Eve was the only time he'd be in Los Angeles, then yeah I'd call it a Christmas film.
I knew this would happen. The moment I clicked on the thread, I knew I'd be having this debate. I need to re-evaluate my life choices lol."
Dude I mean zero disrespect here but if this is a debat you have often, maybe give up. It is culturally recognised as a Christmas movie. Whether you believe it or not it is constantly referenced as such. It may not be YOUR Christmas movie but it most definitely is one. Sorry, objective reality and all that. |
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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago
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"I disagree. McClane was visiting *because* it was Christmas, the party that meant the execs were there was the Christmas party. Christmas is the intrinsic plot point. Therefore, by your own admission; a Christmas film.
*sits back satisfied*
Ah, but here's the thing, he's a good father and husband. He wouldn't just visit his family on Christmas and never any other time of the year, it's that Christmas is probably the first chance he got since Holly had only been there for six months.
Christmas is a convenient excuse for the writer to explain why McClane visits his family and how Gruber is able to take over the building with such ease (no security).
If Christmas was that integral to the plot, the film would be written so that it's the only time Gruber can rob it. If it was written so that Mr Takagi is needed to get into the vault and Christmas Eve was the only time he'd be in Los Angeles, then yeah I'd call it a Christmas film.
I knew this would happen. The moment I clicked on the thread, I knew I'd be having this debate. I need to re-evaluate my life choices lol."
You're moving the goal posts on that one and making assumptions that aren't based on the plot line of the film. He visits LA from New York *because* its Christmas, Gruber is using the party to corner the execs, all because its Christmas. Christmas is the thing that brings everything together on that point, so it is an essential plot point.
Christmas film.
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By *uke OzadeMan
over a year ago
Ho Chi Minge City |
"I disagree. McClane was visiting *because* it was Christmas, the party that meant the execs were there was the Christmas party. Christmas is the intrinsic plot point. Therefore, by your own admission; a Christmas film.
*sits back satisfied*
Ah, but here's the thing, he's a good father and husband. He wouldn't just visit his family on Christmas and never any other time of the year, it's that Christmas is probably the first chance he got since Holly had only been there for six months.
Christmas is a convenient excuse for the writer to explain why McClane visits his family and how Gruber is able to take over the building with such ease (no security).
If Christmas was that integral to the plot, the film would be written so that it's the only time Gruber can rob it. If it was written so that Mr Takagi is needed to get into the vault and Christmas Eve was the only time he'd be in Los Angeles, then yeah I'd call it a Christmas film.
I knew this would happen. The moment I clicked on the thread, I knew I'd be having this debate. I need to re-evaluate my life choices lol.
You're moving the goal posts on that one and making assumptions that aren't based on the plot line of the film. He visits LA from New York *because* its Christmas, Gruber is using the party to corner the execs, all because its Christmas. Christmas is the thing that brings everything together on that point, so it is an essential plot point.
Christmas film.
*drops mike*"
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"I disagree. McClane was visiting *because* it was Christmas, the party that meant the execs were there was the Christmas party. Christmas is the intrinsic plot point. Therefore, by your own admission; a Christmas film.
*sits back satisfied*
Ah, but here's the thing, he's a good father and husband. He wouldn't just visit his family on Christmas and never any other time of the year, it's that Christmas is probably the first chance he got since Holly had only been there for six months.
Christmas is a convenient excuse for the writer to explain why McClane visits his family and how Gruber is able to take over the building with such ease (no security).
If Christmas was that integral to the plot, the film would be written so that it's the only time Gruber can rob it. If it was written so that Mr Takagi is needed to get into the vault and Christmas Eve was the only time he'd be in Los Angeles, then yeah I'd call it a Christmas film.
I knew this would happen. The moment I clicked on the thread, I knew I'd be having this debate. I need to re-evaluate my life choices lol."
can I just add DIE HARD was, released in America, in the July of that year and in the UK the following February.... So not really a Christmas film release wise. If someone's idea, of a Christmas film is one with a high body count then its a funny old world. Peace and goodwill... What yipeecayee |
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"The wizard of oz and all the Bond films. When I was growing up always seemed just after the Queens speech there was a James Bond film on when Sean Connery or Roger Moore played Bond.I always felt The Wizard of Oz was a Christmas film but a lot of people don’t but again growing up If it wasn’t on on Christmas Day then it was on on Boxing Day "
this for me too. Over Christmas I always remember watching on tv.. the sound of music.. wizard of oz. .. bond movies and another rogers and Hammerstein movie.
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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago
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"I disagree. McClane was visiting *because* it was Christmas, the party that meant the execs were there was the Christmas party. Christmas is the intrinsic plot point. Therefore, by your own admission; a Christmas film.
*sits back satisfied*
Ah, but here's the thing, he's a good father and husband. He wouldn't just visit his family on Christmas and never any other time of the year, it's that Christmas is probably the first chance he got since Holly had only been there for six months.
Christmas is a convenient excuse for the writer to explain why McClane visits his family and how Gruber is able to take over the building with such ease (no security).
If Christmas was that integral to the plot, the film would be written so that it's the only time Gruber can rob it. If it was written so that Mr Takagi is needed to get into the vault and Christmas Eve was the only time he'd be in Los Angeles, then yeah I'd call it a Christmas film.
I knew this would happen. The moment I clicked on the thread, I knew I'd be having this debate. I need to re-evaluate my life choices lol.can I just add DIE HARD was, released in America, in the July of that year and in the UK the following February.... So not really a Christmas film release wise. If someone's idea, of a Christmas film is one with a high body count then its a funny old world. Peace and goodwill... What yipeecayee"
Have you been around Tesco at this time of year? I've seen little old ladies putting kids in full nelsons over pigs in blankets.
It's rough out there... |
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