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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What did he do? There are only a handful of people on a life tariff "
He r*ped 8 people in a short space of time. The oldest was a 71 year old woman and two young children. He made them watch each other being attacked |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It means he's probably serving 33 terms concurrently for a minimum of 30 years before being eligible for parole."
Surely that's still wrong, life terms are generally given as 25 years. So theoretically he should serve 825 years  |
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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago
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"The sentences are concurrent, not consecutive."
Exactly this but it’s still bollocks.
Consider this. I’m In my car doing 95mph on the M6, middle of the night on my way to Dover. I care not one jot for the speed limit or others. Due to the time I never go slower than 95mph & get flashed 33 times but I don’t give a shit.
Can I go to court & get three points @ £100 for one offence? Can I bollox.
So for fairness he got life thirty three times, we’ll say life is 20 so 50% tariff makes 10x33 so he’s doing 330yrs.
That is how it should be!
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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He’s not coming out he will die in prison, the law need changing because there is no way prisoners should be automatically released everyone should always go through the parol bored.
Yes I know it’s never a perfect system but it’s a lot better than just releasing people even on licence without anything being done.
I am pretty sure there were some people who were trying to keep him in but the system is Automatic so needs changing now not in 6 months time  |
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The worst part of this exposé is that we can't change the laws retrospectively from the sentence they've been given so it's going to be a ball ache coming up with something for these scumbags to be kept at arms length from decent folk. |
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"Should be death. Shouldn't waste my tax payers money on someone so evil.
Rather my money went to victims for support"
I'm not saying it wasnt him, if he's been tried and found guilty then he deserves punishment. But the reason we dont execute any more is because somebody completely innocent could be tried and found guilty. It happened before and it still happens now, only now we dont execute them they have a chance to prove their innocence. Is it not enough to lose years of your life from society as punishment? Another argument I hear is that prison is too soft. The problem with that is if you treat people like animals then they will behave like animals, the punishment is segregation from society.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"My understanding is its 30 years before he can be considered for parole.
I do think life should mean life.
I think the life tariff is reserved for serial killers."
But he's clearly a danger to everyone.
I believe strongly in reforming and education in prison and I second chances but I also feel strongly that people should not realised until they are deemed safe. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Should be death. Shouldn't waste my tax payers money on someone so evil.
Rather my money went to victims for support
I'm not saying it wasnt him, if he's been tried and found guilty then he deserves punishment. But the reason we dont execute any more is because somebody completely innocent could be tried and found guilty. It happened before and it still happens now, only now we dont execute them they have a chance to prove their innocence. Is it not enough to lose years of your life from society as punishment? Another argument I hear is that prison is too soft. The problem with that is if you treat people like animals then they will behave like animals, the punishment is segregation from society.
*climbs down from soap box*"
I'd like to see this fucked up motherfucker prove his innocence! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"My understanding is its 30 years before he can be considered for parole.
I do think life should mean life.
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All we can hope for is that someone gets to him in the next 30 years  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Should be death. Shouldn't waste my tax payers money on someone so evil.
Rather my money went to victims for support
I'm not saying it wasnt him, if he's been tried and found guilty then he deserves punishment. But the reason we dont execute any more is because somebody completely innocent could be tried and found guilty. It happened before and it still happens now, only now we dont execute them they have a chance to prove their innocence. Is it not enough to lose years of your life from society as punishment? Another argument I hear is that prison is too soft. The problem with that is if you treat people like animals then they will behave like animals, the punishment is segregation from society.
*climbs down from soap box*"
He has already behaved like an animal without being treated like one first. Personally, I feel any sentence should be in two parts. The first half as punishment for the wrongs done to society, the second half as rehabilitation including re-education. |
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"Should be death. Shouldn't waste my tax payers money on someone so evil.
Rather my money went to victims for support
I'm not saying it wasnt him, if he's been tried and found guilty then he deserves punishment. But the reason we dont execute any more is because somebody completely innocent could be tried and found guilty. It happened before and it still happens now, only now we dont execute them they have a chance to prove their innocence. Is it not enough to lose years of your life from society as punishment? Another argument I hear is that prison is too soft. The problem with that is if you treat people like animals then they will behave like animals, the punishment is segregation from society.
*climbs down from soap box*
He has already behaved like an animal without being treated like one first. Personally, I feel any sentence should be in two parts. The first half as punishment for the wrongs done to society, the second half as rehabilitation including re-education."
He abused children in front of their siblings. Held people hostage and attacked old ladies
I dont think its 're education' that this one needs |
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"Should be death. Shouldn't waste my tax payers money on someone so evil.
Rather my money went to victims for support"
Totally agree, it costs over £100k a year to incarcerate such an evil b*stard in prison all from the tax payer, surely it’s better to spend this money on victim support or the NHS, also I’m sure a rope is fairly cheap and is re usable many times to, so good for the environment. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Can anybody enlighten me. He was recently convicted and given 33 life terms, to serve a minimum of 30 years. What’s that supposed to mean ? Why not a whole life term. 33 ?"
a life sentence is 15 years is it not, I'm like you i really dont understand how some of these guys get early parole after some of the heinous crimes they comit   |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Can anybody enlighten me. He was recently convicted and given 33 life terms, to serve a minimum of 30 years. What’s that supposed to mean ? Why not a whole life term. 33 ?"
Just kill him and be done with it |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Should be death. Shouldn't waste my tax payers money on someone so evil.
Rather my money went to victims for support
I'm not saying it wasnt him, if he's been tried and found guilty then he deserves punishment. But the reason we dont execute any more is because somebody completely innocent could be tried and found guilty. It happened before and it still happens now, only now we dont execute them they have a chance to prove their innocence. Is it not enough to lose years of your life from society as punishment? Another argument I hear is that prison is too soft. The problem with that is if you treat people like animals then they will behave like animals, the punishment is segregation from society.
*climbs down from soap box*
He has already behaved like an animal without being treated like one first. Personally, I feel any sentence should be in two parts. The first half as punishment for the wrongs done to society, the second half as rehabilitation including re-education.
He abused children in front of their siblings. Held people hostage and attacked old ladies
I dont think its 're education' that this one needs"
Kill him |
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"He’s not coming out he will die in prison, the law need changing because there is no way prisoners should be automatically released everyone should always go through the parol bored.
Yes I know it’s never a perfect system but it’s a lot better than just releasing people even on licence without anything being done.
I am pretty sure there were some people who were trying to keep him in but the system is Automatic so needs changing now not in 6 months time "
It's not automatic. They have to go through programmes and various boards to prove their risk of re-offending has reduced first of all. He will at least be considered a potential category a prisoner so will sit in the high security estate for some time, facing to work his way down to open conditions (if possible) through good behaviour and reviews.
After the Warboys release the government will be looking very hard at cases like this and will be reviewing their processes. The London bridge attack, while dealing with a different type of prisoner, will also invoke a review of ROTL procedures.
He will have to watch his back in prison for sure. Sex offenders are given short shrift by other criminals. He'll be on a VP regime to try and protect him but prison staff can't watch him the whole time. |
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"Should be death. Shouldn't waste my tax payers money on someone so evil.
Rather my money went to victims for support
I'm not saying it wasnt him, if he's been tried and found guilty then he deserves punishment. But the reason we dont execute any more is because somebody completely innocent could be tried and found guilty. It happened before and it still happens now, only now we dont execute them they have a chance to prove their innocence. Is it not enough to lose years of your life from society as punishment? Another argument I hear is that prison is too soft. The problem with that is if you treat people like animals then they will behave like animals, the punishment is segregation from society.
*climbs down from soap box*
He has already behaved like an animal without being treated like one first. Personally, I feel any sentence should be in two parts. The first half as punishment for the wrongs done to society, the second half as rehabilitation including re-education."
That is what it is. The minimum tarrif is what is served before any reducing re offending programmes can be considered. Only after they have done those van they be considered for parole. I'd bet my best hat he will not be released from jail before he dies. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Hopefully hel get beat to death in jail but the system protects nonces so that’s doubtful "
And rightly so. We can not have a system where you are locked away for killing/harming someone and allow people to the same thing.
It's not how a civilised society can work. |
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