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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The reason I'm asking is because I'm watching Atypical which is about a teenager on the autism spectrum.
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In my religion they ll be in heaven due to no fault of their own. But then again I'm not religious. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The reason I'm asking is because I'm watching Atypical which is about a teenager on the autism spectrum.
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Brilliant show! And he would definitely know the difference |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"The reason I'm asking is because I'm watching Atypical which is about a teenager on the autism spectrum.
Brilliant show! And he would definitely know the difference "
Not sure, he does have some understanding of more complex human emotions but not all.
And what about a more serious cases where they completely don't understand the two concepts. |
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By *VineMan
over a year ago
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"You only get to Heaven if you give yourself to Jesus. Good or bad, you go to Hell if you don't."
That’s a view peddled by authoritarian churches to control the masses.
It’s not my understanding at all. |
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Rule of thumb (as understood by people talking to me) seems to be -
If you find God and accept = Heaven
If you find God and reject = Hell
If you don't find God = Heaven
Basically if you had not opportunity to find or understand = Hell |
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"Rule of thumb (as understood by people talking to me) seems to be -
If you find God and accept = Heaven
If you find God and reject = Hell
If you don't find God = Heaven
Basically if you had not opportunity to find or understand = Hell "
I don't understand the difference between the third and fourth options ? |
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By *VineMan
over a year ago
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"Rule of thumb (as understood by people talking to me) seems to be -
If you find God and accept = Heaven
If you find God and reject = Hell
If you don't find God = Heaven
Basically if you had not opportunity to find or understand = Hell
I don't understand the difference between the third and fourth options ?"
I understand the difference but disagree with the entire framework. Although I do recognise it’s commonly held |
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"If a person is mentally handicapped, in a way where they doesn't understand what's good and bad. Would they go to, hell or heaven?"
Effectively they would be “innocent” I believe that opens the gate. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I’m not religious
But don’t Christians believe only God can make these judgements
So it would be sinful to assume you know his logic "
I don't I'm not religious either. It's a question for the religious people  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Is it only people who follow the major religions and branches of them that are allowed to answer? "
No, but I assumed they would have a better understanding |
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"Is it only people who follow the major religions and branches of them that are allowed to answer?
No, but I assumed they would have a better understanding"
They probably have a better understanding of their beliefs. In my opinion that's because humans have the capacity to bend their beliefs in such a way that they can understand them. I suspect you'd get a variety of answers from people who follow the major religions depending on their interpretation of them and how strictly they followed the teachings.
My answer would be based on the personal, nature based religion that I try and follow. That leads me to believe that God as I understand it does not care or even have any influence as the laws of physics and the natural world dictate what happens to us. Someone who has no mental capacity to understand the line between what we humans designate as good and bad will meet the same fate as all of us when we die. Whatever that may be |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Is it only people who follow the major religions and branches of them that are allowed to answer?
No, but I assumed they would have a better understanding
They probably have a better understanding of their beliefs. In my opinion that's because humans have the capacity to bend their beliefs in such a way that they can understand them. I suspect you'd get a variety of answers from people who follow the major religions depending on their interpretation of them and how strictly they followed the teachings.
My answer would be based on the personal, nature based religion that I try and follow. That leads me to believe that God as I understand it does not care or even have any influence as the laws of physics and the natural world dictate what happens to us. Someone who has no mental capacity to understand the line between what we humans designate as good and bad will meet the same fate as all of us when we die. Whatever that may be "
I realise that people may have a different understanding from one another but I'm not looking for the 'right' answer. I'm looking for opinions.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I have to say I find this thread incredibly insensitive.
Can you please explain why?"
If you can’t see why then why would I waste my breath. The flippant way you present this question is incredibly insensitive to those who actually have people with disabilities in their lives. |
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"Is it only people who follow the major religions and branches of them that are allowed to answer?
No, but I assumed they would have a better understanding
They probably have a better understanding of their beliefs. In my opinion that's because humans have the capacity to bend their beliefs in such a way that they can understand them. I suspect you'd get a variety of answers from people who follow the major religions depending on their interpretation of them and how strictly they followed the teachings.
My answer would be based on the personal, nature based religion that I try and follow. That leads me to believe that God as I understand it does not care or even have any influence as the laws of physics and the natural world dictate what happens to us. Someone who has no mental capacity to understand the line between what we humans designate as good and bad will meet the same fate as all of us when we die. Whatever that may be
I realise that people may have a different understanding from one another but I'm not looking for the 'right' answer. I'm looking for opinions.
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Yes I know. I have mine |
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By *manaWoman
over a year ago
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I will not be going into details but as a parent of a child with disabilities and as someone who tries very hard to be non judgemental of people this is exactly the type of thinking that infuriates me.
Think more and judge less in my own opinion. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I will not be going into details but as a parent of a child with disabilities and as someone who tries very hard to be non judgemental of people this is exactly the type of thinking that infuriates me.
Think more and judge less in my own opinion. "
Couldn’t agree with you more... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I will not be going into details but as a parent of a child with disabilities and as someone who tries very hard to be non judgemental of people this is exactly the type of thinking that infuriates me.
Think more and judge less in my own opinion.
Couldn’t agree with you more..."
I agree. I also have a relative with challenges.
The kindest thing that can be said is that the thread was posted without much thought for the feelings of the reader.
As a moderately religious person I also don't appreciate some of the blasphemous remarks concerning God on the thread.
People are entitled to an opinion. But it's only respectful to consider the feelings of others before blurting it out. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I will not be going into details but as a parent of a child with disabilities and as someone who tries very hard to be non judgemental of people this is exactly the type of thinking that infuriates me.
Think more and judge less in my own opinion. "
At no point did I try to be disrespectful, if it came across like that my apologies.
It's not something I have come across myself and wouldn't know what is and isn't insensitive.
I think it's more important to educate someone rather than judge and call them insensitive, wouldn't you agree? |
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By *manaWoman
over a year ago
Basingstoke |
"I will not be going into details but as a parent of a child with disabilities and as someone who tries very hard to be non judgemental of people this is exactly the type of thinking that infuriates me.
Think more and judge less in my own opinion.
At no point did I try to be disrespectful, if it came across like that my apologies.
It's not something I have come across myself and wouldn't know what is and isn't insensitive.
I think it's more important to educate someone rather than judge and call them insensitive, wouldn't you agree?"
I didnt direct my comment AT you.
If you've taken it that way that's up to you. I am merely stating that as a parent if a child with disabilities it's a very insensitive question to ask.
Does my son deserve hell if he doesn't understand his actions? I'm sure you can see why this would upset myself and probably others too? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I will not be going into details but as a parent of a child with disabilities and as someone who tries very hard to be non judgemental of people this is exactly the type of thinking that infuriates me.
Think more and judge less in my own opinion.
At no point did I try to be disrespectful, if it came across like that my apologies.
It's not something I have come across myself and wouldn't know what is and isn't insensitive.
I think it's more important to educate someone rather than judge and call them insensitive, wouldn't you agree?"
Inexperience is half arsed excuse sorry. It shows a complete lack of good judgement and common sense therefore not really anything anyone can educate you on. And for the record any apology with the words I’m sorry if it came across like that is not a true apology. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I will not be going into details but as a parent of a child with disabilities and as someone who tries very hard to be non judgemental of people this is exactly the type of thinking that infuriates me.
Think more and judge less in my own opinion.
At no point did I try to be disrespectful, if it came across like that my apologies.
It's not something I have come across myself and wouldn't know what is and isn't insensitive.
I think it's more important to educate someone rather than judge and call them insensitive, wouldn't you agree?
I didnt direct my comment AT you.
If you've taken it that way that's up to you. I am merely stating that as a parent if a child with disabilities it's a very insensitive question to ask.
Does my son deserve hell if he doesn't understand his actions? I'm sure you can see why this would upset myself and probably others too?"
I think the wording of the question is what makes a difference here. I am not religious myself, so I wanted to see how it's understood by different people with religious believes.
If the question itself is already insensitive, I'm sorry, and thanks for educating me. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I will not be going into details but as a parent of a child with disabilities and as someone who tries very hard to be non judgemental of people this is exactly the type of thinking that infuriates me.
Think more and judge less in my own opinion.
At no point did I try to be disrespectful, if it came across like that my apologies.
It's not something I have come across myself and wouldn't know what is and isn't insensitive.
I think it's more important to educate someone rather than judge and call them insensitive, wouldn't you agree?
Inexperience is half arsed excuse sorry. It shows a complete lack of good judgement and common sense therefore not really anything anyone can educate you on. And for the record any apology with the words I’m sorry if it came across like that is not a true apology. "
Thanks for sharing your viewpoint. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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I think that for something to be a sin or a wicked action it has to be intentional, also despite what many people seem to think the core of Christianity is about undestanding, forgiveness and compassion. |
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By *VineMan
over a year ago
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"I have to say I find this thread incredibly insensitive. "
I can see why you would say that. I find the whole concept of a God that would send people to hell (what ever their ability) distasteful.
But I don’t think the OP was trying to be insensitive. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Im not religious but my partner is a lot..but i read a lot and belive or nit ive read the bible koran genesys new testament..and no one but no one is folowing the law of those books att all..but in all says if on your end you are actualy regret you will go to heaven.
But we are all sinners we smok we f...we swear ..our kind i mean human kinda we are like a cancer to this planet we consume all the natural resources and move on just like grass hoppers...sorry to deviate of the subject...
Like i said if people regret they all ho to heaven or paradise.. |
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"Im not religious but my partner is a lot..but i read a lot and belive or nit ive read the bible koran genesys new testament..and no one but no one is folowing the law of those books att all..but in all says if on your end you are actualy regret you will go to heaven.
But we are all sinners we smok we f...we swear ..our kind i mean human kinda we are like a cancer to this planet we consume all the natural resources and move on just like grass hoppers...sorry to deviate of the subject...
Like i said if people regret they all ho to heaven or paradise.."
I don't believe it. |
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By *eliWoman
over a year ago
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"If a person is mentally handicapped, in a way where they doesn't understand what's good and bad. Would they go to, hell or heaven?"
Going with your further clarification on what you've based your OP on - in Atypical he definitely understands good and bad. Autism doesn't make someone "mentally handicapped", they just view the world in a different way from someone who is neurotypical. As someone who is on the spectrum and with many family members who this outdated way of viewing differing abilities is a bit ick.
Anyway, that aside... I think that intent plays a key part. I'm not religious any more but I was taught that your soul being good or bad affected where you ended up. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I was a religious person but I never thought of heaven and hell as post mortem destinations. I think they talk about present reality.
I think we all have moments in both "
Like Lost? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I will not be going into details but as a parent of a child with disabilities and as someone who tries very hard to be non judgemental of people this is exactly the type of thinking that infuriates me.
Think more and judge less in my own opinion. "
Who is judging? He just asked a question. |
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I don't think religion makes a person good or bad. Maybe more nurture. A two year old could hit a playmate or sibling. They are not bad, but are taught by either praise or scolding that the act is good or bad. Disability might mean adjustment in learning techniques but they are not incapable of knowing good from bad.
Over time, most then grasp the values and beliefs of those around them and take most of them forward. As someone brought up in a racially radical surroundings, i've taken on values ie not stealing, violence, adultury etc, but not accepted the racial parts.
Ted Bundy apparently had a very normal upbringing, but even he admitted to being totally evil - discuss!  |
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