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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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if you get an STI due to risky sex or promiscuity should you pay for your own treatment?
For example Leslie could have used condoms but didn’t. Leslie now has Gonorrhoea and requires 1 weeks worth of antibiotics to clear the infection. Its Leslies own fault and Leslie admitted this. Should Leslie pay the £20 for the course of medication?
(Of course this relies on telling the truth about your sexual activity)
Would more ppl be careful if they knew the cost of treatment would hit them in the pocket? |
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"if you get an STI due to risky sex or promiscuity should you pay for your own treatment?
For example Leslie could have used condoms but didn’t. Leslie now has Gonorrhoea and requires 1 weeks worth of antibiotics to clear the infection. Its Leslies own fault and Leslie admitted this. Should Leslie pay the £20 for the course of medication?
(Of course this relies on telling the truth about your sexual activity)
Would more ppl be careful if they knew the cost of treatment would hit them in the pocket? "
You would hope people on here would not intentionally harm the health of others and would ensure they are STI free before participating in such activities. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm fine with it being free and doubt people would be more careful if they had to pay,they just wouldn't go for tests or get cured and still have free sex."
Should be everyone pays or everyone gets it free. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Getting injured when 'very tipsy' should incur a charge.
Medication for STI's- if they won't pay for condoms they won't pay for antibiotics. They'd just spread it around. |
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By *epsonWoman
over a year ago
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Where does it stop though.
You smoke, no medicines for lung related problems, heart problems etc.
You smoked dope and took drugs when you were younger, now you have mental health problems. No mental health drugs for you.
You participated in high risk sport with no insurance and broke a leg. Pay for you own leg to be mended. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm fine with it being free and doubt people would be more careful if they had to pay,they just wouldn't go for tests or get cured and still have free sex.
Should be everyone pays or everyone gets it free. "
What do you mean all medication or just sexual health medicines?
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No. Its a slippery slope once that starts. I can see why it makes sense but once you start 'it's your fault' then it won't end.
You'll have mothers paying for birth/pregnancy complications.
Overweight people paying for treatment.
Type 2 diabetics paying for medication.
Our NHS is free for all citizens. We pay our tax, we pay for prescriptions and that's that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No. Its a slippery slope once that starts. I can see why it makes sense but once you start 'it's your fault' then it won't end.
You'll have mothers paying for birth/pregnancy complications.
Overweight people paying for treatment.
Type 2 diabetics paying for medication.
Our NHS is free for all citizens. We pay our tax, we pay for prescriptions and that's that. "
In wales we dont pay for prescriptions. It's a great concept, but denying valuable funding elsewhere and more worthy in some cases.
But I agree it's a slippery slope. What about means tested ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No. Its a slippery slope once that starts. I can see why it makes sense but once you start 'it's your fault' then it won't end.
You'll have mothers paying for birth/pregnancy complications.
Overweight people paying for treatment.
Type 2 diabetics paying for medication.
Our NHS is free for all citizens. We pay our tax, we pay for prescriptions and that's that.
In wales we dont pay for prescriptions. It's a great concept, but denying valuable funding elsewhere and more worthy in some cases.
But I agree it's a slippery slope. What about means tested ?"
It is already means tested. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I agree some medications should be free but not all, if it’s for a long term illness it should be free all other cases I’m fine with a prescription charge. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I agree some medications should be free but not all, if it’s for a long term illness it should be free all other cases I’m fine with a prescription charge."
I agree. Not sure how and what but it certainly needs reviewing in my opinion. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I agree some medications should be free but not all, if it’s for a long term illness it should be free all other cases I’m fine with a prescription charge."
According to NHS choices 90% of medicines and treatments are dispensed free of charge. |
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"I agree some medications should be free but not all, if it’s for a long term illness it should be free all other cases I’m fine with a prescription charge.
According to NHS choices 90% of medicines and treatments are dispensed free of charge. "
How come? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I believe all prescription slips should show the cost of the drugs prescribed. You would be shocked at the cost of some items
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But would that not make someone who's life depends on that medication feel guilty or a burden. |
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"I believe all prescription slips should show the cost of the drugs prescribed. You would be shocked at the cost of some items
But would that not make someone who's life depends on that medication feel guilty or a burden. "
And why should someone with an illness feel bad about the profiteering of drug companies, deals the NHS can or can't do, etc? |
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"No. Its a slippery slope once that starts. I can see why it makes sense but once you start 'it's your fault' then it won't end.
You'll have mothers paying for birth/pregnancy complications.
Overweight people paying for treatment.
Type 2 diabetics paying for medication.
Our NHS is free for all citizens. We pay our tax, we pay for prescriptions and that's that.
In wales we dont pay for prescriptions. It's a great concept, but denying valuable funding elsewhere and more worthy in some cases.
But I agree it's a slippery slope. What about means tested ?"
Scotland dont pay either |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I agree some medications should be free but not all, if it’s for a long term illness it should be free all other cases I’m fine with a prescription charge.
According to NHS choices 90% of medicines and treatments are dispensed free of charge.
How come?"
Because the list of people who are entitled to free prescriptions is huge. Anyone under 16, students, pregnant woman, anyone over 65, anyone with a serious long term health condition and those with a cancer diagnosis. So I guess those are the people that recive most of the prescribed medication. |
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As someone who has in the past had to borrow money for food as I couldn't afford to pay for that and my heart medication as according to the government, even on a student loan I didn't qualify for free prescriptions, I would say no. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I agree some medications should be free but not all, if it’s for a long term illness it should be free all other cases I’m fine with a prescription charge.
According to NHS choices 90% of medicines and treatments are dispensed free of charge.
How come?
Because the list of people who are entitled to free prescriptions is huge. Anyone under 16, students, pregnant woman, anyone over 65, anyone with a serious long term health condition and those with a cancer diagnosis. So I guess those are the people that recive most of the prescribed medication. "
Ah ok. So people with serious long term health conditions or cancer don’t pay? That’s good. I didn’t know that. |
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If I go out without a surgical mask and get flu should I pay for antibiotics if I get a secondary chest infection?
Why is there still this "it's their own fault" attitude to STI when there are numerous ways they can be picked up? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As someone who has in the past had to borrow money for food as I couldn't afford to pay for that and my heart medication as according to the government, even on a student loan I didn't qualify for free prescriptions, I would say no."
You should have been able to under the low income scheme. It's covers students over the age of 19 who are on a low income.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I agree some medications should be free but not all, if it’s for a long term illness it should be free all other cases I’m fine with a prescription charge.
According to NHS choices 90% of medicines and treatments are dispensed free of charge.
How come?
Because the list of people who are entitled to free prescriptions is huge. Anyone under 16, students, pregnant woman, anyone over 65, anyone with a serious long term health condition and those with a cancer diagnosis. So I guess those are the people that recive most of the prescribed medication.
Ah ok. So people with serious long term health conditions or cancer don’t pay? That’s good. I didn’t know that. "
Also if you don't qualify for free prescriptions but need regular medication you can pay for a pre payment card, it makes it cheaper. |
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"I believe all prescription slips should show the cost of the drugs prescribed. You would be shocked at the cost of some items
But would that not make someone who's life depends on that medication feel guilty or a burden. "
I don’t think so Lorna, it may help people think about reordering when they don’t really need too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I agree some medications should be free but not all, if it’s for a long term illness it should be free all other cases I’m fine with a prescription charge.
According to NHS choices 90% of medicines and treatments are dispensed free of charge.
How come?
Because the list of people who are entitled to free prescriptions is huge. Anyone under 16, students, pregnant woman, anyone over 65, anyone with a serious long term health condition and those with a cancer diagnosis. So I guess those are the people that recive most of the prescribed medication.
Ah ok. So people with serious long term health conditions or cancer don’t pay? That’s good. I didn’t know that.
Also if you don't qualify for free prescriptions but need regular medication you can pay for a pre payment card, it makes it cheaper. "
Yes I think it’s if you have more than 3 a month or something like that. It works out cheaper. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I believe all prescription slips should show the cost of the drugs prescribed. You would be shocked at the cost of some items
But would that not make someone who's life depends on that medication feel guilty or a burden.
I don’t think so Lorna, it may help people think about reordering when they don’t really need too. "
Yes I agree that some people do this and it's a waste.
However I know a lot of pharmacys and doctors do long term medication reviews so I would say it's a small minority and you will always have people who aduse the system but people who already feel like a burden could stop taking medicine they really need as they don't think they are worth it.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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My post was purely about a consequence of being irresponsible and admittedly so.
People who have other illnesses not their own fault, cancer, genetic disorders etc were not who I was on about.
But as said folks would be less honest about their activities or not get tested. |
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"if you get an STI due to risky sex or promiscuity should you pay for your own treatment?
For example Leslie could have used condoms but didn’t. Leslie now has Gonorrhoea and requires 1 weeks worth of antibiotics to clear the infection. Its Leslies own fault and Leslie admitted this. Should Leslie pay the £20 for the course of medication?
(Of course this relies on telling the truth about your sexual activity)
Would more ppl be careful if they knew the cost of treatment would hit them in the pocket? "
I say no.
I want people to be cured and not spread it around or go without checks |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Ah ok. So people with serious long term health conditions or cancer don’t pay? That’s good. I didn’t know that. "
Not all serious long term health conditions get free prescriptions. Asthma, kidney disease, and Parkinson’s don’t for example.
Only those that had a reliable medication when the list of exemptions was created are included.
The list has only been updated, in 2009, to include cancer since its creation.
Any other revisions have been avoided by successive governments |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No. Its a slippery slope once that starts. I can see why it makes sense but once you start 'it's your fault' then it won't end.
You'll have mothers paying for birth/pregnancy complications.
Overweight people paying for treatment.
Type 2 diabetics paying for medication.
Our NHS is free for all citizens. We pay our tax, we pay for prescriptions and that's that.
In wales we dont pay for prescriptions. It's a great concept, but denying valuable funding elsewhere and more worthy in some cases.
But I agree it's a slippery slope. What about means tested ?
It is already means tested. "
Prescriptions in Wales? I dont think so. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"My post was purely about a consequence of being irresponsible and admittedly so.
People who have other illnesses not their own fault, cancer, genetic disorders etc were not who I was on about.
But as said folks would be less honest about their activities or not get tested. "
But it's a slippery slope as others have said.
If you are overweight or a smoker and get cancer that is linked to these things should you also be denied free treatment? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No. Its a slippery slope once that starts. I can see why it makes sense but once you start 'it's your fault' then it won't end.
You'll have mothers paying for birth/pregnancy complications.
Overweight people paying for treatment.
Type 2 diabetics paying for medication.
Our NHS is free for all citizens. We pay our tax, we pay for prescriptions and that's that.
In wales we dont pay for prescriptions. It's a great concept, but denying valuable funding elsewhere and more worthy in some cases.
But I agree it's a slippery slope. What about means tested ?
It is already means tested.
Prescriptions in Wales? I dont think so."
No in Wales it's free as it is in Scotland. I was talking about England. |
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"if you get an STI due to risky sex or promiscuity should you pay for your own treatment?
For example Leslie could have used condoms but didn’t. Leslie now has Gonorrhoea and requires 1 weeks worth of antibiotics to clear the infection. Its Leslies own fault and Leslie admitted this. Should Leslie pay the £20 for the course of medication?
(Of course this relies on telling the truth about your sexual activity)
Would more ppl be careful if they knew the cost of treatment would hit them in the pocket? "
Yes I think that's fair . Come on everyone can't subsidise everything can they ? Free clap treatment is a bit much for idiots who can't use a condom ..again another very good reason against bareback ! But no doubt all the responsible types will tell me to mind my own Similarly I think people who cause accidents should pay a fee to emergency services before anything else. A bit too much irresponsibility around IMHO . |
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"As someone who has in the past had to borrow money for food as I couldn't afford to pay for that and my heart medication as according to the government, even on a student loan I didn't qualify for free prescriptions, I would say no.
You should have been able to under the low income scheme. It's covers students over the age of 19 who are on a low income.
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I applied and they they said I didn't meet the criteria. Which was that the difference between my income and rent was more than the prescription charge. Doesn't matter that I still needed to pay gas and electric, water, internet and buy food apparently. So apparently £6,500 a year doesn't qualify as low income. |
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"I think if you bareback then that is reckless and you should pay for you treatment.. why should the state subsidise stupidy "
Is it "stupid" to bareback with your wife/husband/partner? Why is that "reckless"
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"if you get an STI due to risky sex or promiscuity should you pay for your own treatment?
For example Leslie could have used condoms but didn’t. Leslie now has Gonorrhoea and requires 1 weeks worth of antibiotics to clear the infection. Its Leslies own fault and Leslie admitted this. Should Leslie pay the £20 for the course of medication?
(Of course this relies on telling the truth about your sexual activity)
Would more ppl be careful if they knew the cost of treatment would hit them in the pocket?
I say no.
I want people to be cured and not spread it around or go without checks"
Agreed. Or if an untreated chlamydia infection became pelvic inflammatory disease it could cost the NHS a lot more than a course of basic antibiotics. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Betty is a promiscuous girl, she sleeps with a lot of men. She uses a condom every time she has sex. Unfortunately for Betty she still caught an STD/STI.
Should Betty pay for her own treatment even though she has used a condom with each encounter? |
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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago
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Not using the STI example here. I've worked in the NHS in Scotland, Wales and England. There was an unmistakable difference in the size of medical prescriptions (some as long as my arm) between patients from England and those from Wales and Scotland, particularly the latter. It wouldn't be uncommon for patients to have overlapping medication to treat the same problem when only one medicine was required.
From my perspective, when something is free, it's rarely given is due worth and taken for granted, which can give rise to abuse of the system and increased costs. A symbolic fee should be charged for medications for all but the lowest income earners and most importantly, the government needs to renegotiate the prices that pharmaceutical companies charge for a lot of drugs that are way too overpriced. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Promiscuity or otherwise if you can afford it you should pay it. I think it’s a awful attitude to have if you think it’s fine for others to pay for you when you could easily afford it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Not using the STI example here. I've worked in the NHS in Scotland, Wales and England. There was an unmistakable difference in the size of medical prescriptions (some as long as my arm) between patients from England and those from Wales and Scotland, particularly the latter. It wouldn't be uncommon for patients to have overlapping medication to treat the same problem when only one medicine was required.
From my perspective, when something is free, it's rarely given is due worth and taken for granted, which can give rise to abuse of the system and increased costs. A symbolic fee should be charged for medications for all but the lowest income earners and most importantly, the government needs to renegotiate the prices that pharmaceutical companies charge for a lot of drugs that are way too overpriced."
I get that but surely the people doing the prescribing should take some of the responsibility. |
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"I'm fine with it being free and doubt people would be more careful if they had to pay,they just wouldn't go for tests or get cured and still have free sex.
Should be everyone pays or everyone gets it free. "
If you like. I know condoms and tests are free but never had a prescription so don't know what the deal is with that? |
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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago
All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest |
"Not using the STI example here. I've worked in the NHS in Scotland, Wales and England. There was an unmistakable difference in the size of medical prescriptions (some as long as my arm) between patients from England and those from Wales and Scotland, particularly the latter. It wouldn't be uncommon for patients to have overlapping medication to treat the same problem when only one medicine was required.
From my perspective, when something is free, it's rarely given is due worth and taken for granted, which can give rise to abuse of the system and increased costs. A symbolic fee should be charged for medications for all but the lowest income earners and most importantly, the government needs to renegotiate the prices that pharmaceutical companies charge for a lot of drugs that are way too overpriced.
I get that but surely the people doing the prescribing should take some of the responsibility. "
They should and better auditing of this should take place. GP's are overworked and overwhelmed in many areas as is and I can appreciate how difficult and time consuming periodic medication reviews can be. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Not using the STI example here. I've worked in the NHS in Scotland, Wales and England. There was an unmistakable difference in the size of medical prescriptions (some as long as my arm) between patients from England and those from Wales and Scotland, particularly the latter. It wouldn't be uncommon for patients to have overlapping medication to treat the same problem when only one medicine was required.
From my perspective, when something is free, it's rarely given is due worth and taken for granted, which can give rise to abuse of the system and increased costs. A symbolic fee should be charged for medications for all but the lowest income earners and most importantly, the government needs to renegotiate the prices that pharmaceutical companies charge for a lot of drugs that are way too overpriced.
I get that but surely the people doing the prescribing should take some of the responsibility.
They should and better auditing of this should take place. GP's are overworked and overwhelmed in many areas as is and I can appreciate how difficult and time consuming periodic medication reviews can be."
Is that not something pharmacys can do more of to help lighten the load. |
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"Free clap treatment is a bit much for idiots who can't use a condom "
When used correctly, a condom cuts the chances of getting chlamydia or gonorrhea by more than half. So aren't 100%. What about the idiots who use them and catch it coz they didn't know they weren't guaranteed protection? |
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"Promiscuity or otherwise if you can afford it you should pay it. I think it’s a awful attitude to have if you think it’s fine for others to pay for you when you could easily afford it."
I pay for it but and if my contributions go to help those that need medication so be it.
if we're talking meds from a pharmacy then those earning and 'deemed' to afford it do pay don't they |
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"Free clap treatment is a bit much for idiots who can't use a condom
When used correctly, a condom cuts the chances of getting chlamydia or gonorrhea by more than half. So aren't 100%. What about the idiots who use them and catch it coz they didn't know they weren't guaranteed protection?"
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By *hechapMan
over a year ago
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"if you get an STI due to risky sex or promiscuity should you pay for your own treatment?
For example Leslie could have used condoms but didn’t. Leslie now has Gonorrhoea and requires 1 weeks worth of antibiotics to clear the infection. Its Leslies own fault and Leslie admitted this. Should Leslie pay the £20 for the course of medication?
(Of course this relies on telling the truth about your sexual activity)
Would more ppl be careful if they knew the cost of treatment would hit them in the pocket? "
Just stop having sex. It will save the NHS a fortune. They can get rid of all the midwives and close down all the materinty hospitals as well as sexual health clinics. |
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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago
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Not really of the same ilk, but I watched an episode of 'GP's behind closed doors' tonight, where a New Zealander and an Australian both said, god I love your NHS! After getting prescription meds and free hearing aids, makes you think! Doesn't it? |
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"So, Leslie's boyfriend decides to play behind her back. He contracts an STI and passes it on to her. It's all too easy to blame those with STIs as irresponsible. "
I was thinking this..who pays.
The unfaithful person or the ever trusting 'innocent' partner? |
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"if you get an STI due to risky sex or promiscuity should you pay for your own treatment?
For example Leslie could have used condoms but didn’t. Leslie now has Gonorrhoea and requires 1 weeks worth of antibiotics to clear the infection. Its Leslies own fault and Leslie admitted this. Should Leslie pay the £20 for the course of medication?
(Of course this relies on telling the truth about your sexual activity)
Would more ppl be careful if they knew the cost of treatment would hit them in the pocket?
Just stop having sex. It will save the NHS a fortune. They can get rid of all the midwives and close down all the materinty hospitals as well as sexual health clinics."
Ok you stop first  |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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We pay into a taxation system to support a free at use NHS. Prescription charges are made to those who are deemed able to afford them. Some of those charges will be more than the cost of the medication some will be an enormous subsidy of the price.
If you want to start charging people on a 'fault' basis be careful to live a spotless, entirely risk free life. Don't ever eat cake in case that is deemed as harmful, or a runny cheese, don't ever have sex and be really careful putting on your socks.
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"Not using the STI example here. I've worked in the NHS in Scotland, Wales and England. There was an unmistakable difference in the size of medical prescriptions (some as long as my arm) between patients from England and those from Wales and Scotland, particularly the latter. It wouldn't be uncommon for patients to have overlapping medication to treat the same problem when only one medicine was required.
From my perspective, when something is free, it's rarely given is due worth and taken for granted, which can give rise to abuse of the system and increased costs. A symbolic fee should be charged for medications for all but the lowest income earners and most importantly, the government needs to renegotiate the prices that pharmaceutical companies charge for a lot of drugs that are way too overpriced."
That sounds sensible to me. The only thing is for me those on the lowest of income don't have a nominal fee. |
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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago
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"Not using the STI example here. I've worked in the NHS in Scotland, Wales and England. There was an unmistakable difference in the size of medical prescriptions (some as long as my arm) between patients from England and those from Wales and Scotland, particularly the latter. It wouldn't be uncommon for patients to have overlapping medication to treat the same problem when only one medicine was required.
From my perspective, when something is free, it's rarely given is due worth and taken for granted, which can give rise to abuse of the system and increased costs. A symbolic fee should be charged for medications for all but the lowest income earners and most importantly, the government needs to renegotiate the prices that pharmaceutical companies charge for a lot of drugs that are way too overpriced.
That sounds sensible to me. The only thing is for me those on the lowest of income don't have a nominal fee."
I said that in the post
As an example, in Portugal, where the NHS is mostly "free" a 5€ charge is applied to every GP visit. A trip to A&E will cost you a 20€ fee. When the last one was implemented, you saw A&E visits take a serious nosedive because it put people off from abusing the system. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I agree some medications should be free but not all, if it’s for a long term illness it should be free all other cases I’m fine with a prescription charge.
According to NHS choices 90% of medicines and treatments are dispensed free of charge.
How come?
Because the list of people who are entitled to free prescriptions is huge. Anyone under 16, students, pregnant woman, anyone over 65, anyone with a serious long term health condition and those with a cancer diagnosis. So I guess those are the people that recive most of the prescribed medication.
Ah ok. So people with serious long term health conditions or cancer don’t pay? That’s good. I didn’t know that.
Also if you don't qualify for free prescriptions but need regular medication you can pay for a pre payment card, it makes it cheaper.
Yes I think it’s if you have more than 3 a month or something like that. It works out cheaper. "
If you have more than 1 a month. |
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"Not using the STI example here. I've worked in the NHS in Scotland, Wales and England. There was an unmistakable difference in the size of medical prescriptions (some as long as my arm) between patients from England and those from Wales and Scotland, particularly the latter. It wouldn't be uncommon for patients to have overlapping medication to treat the same problem when only one medicine was required.
From my perspective, when something is free, it's rarely given is due worth and taken for granted, which can give rise to abuse of the system and increased costs. A symbolic fee should be charged for medications for all but the lowest income earners and most importantly, the government needs to renegotiate the prices that pharmaceutical companies charge for a lot of drugs that are way too overpriced.
That sounds sensible to me. The only thing is for me those on the lowest of income don't have a nominal fee.
I said that in the post
As an example, in Portugal, where the NHS is mostly "free" a 5€ charge is applied to every GP visit. A trip to A&E will cost you a 20€ fee. When the last one was implemented, you saw A&E visits take a serious nosedive because it put people off from abusing the system."
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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago
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"Not using the STI example here. I've worked in the NHS in Scotland, Wales and England. There was an unmistakable difference in the size of medical prescriptions (some as long as my arm) between patients from England and those from Wales and Scotland, particularly the latter. It wouldn't be uncommon for patients to have overlapping medication to treat the same problem when only one medicine was required.
From my perspective, when something is free, it's rarely given is due worth and taken for granted, which can give rise to abuse of the system and increased costs. A symbolic fee should be charged for medications for all but the lowest income earners and most importantly, the government needs to renegotiate the prices that pharmaceutical companies charge for a lot of drugs that are way too overpriced.
That sounds sensible to me. The only thing is for me those on the lowest of income don't have a nominal fee.
I said that in the post
As an example, in Portugal, where the NHS is mostly "free" a 5€ charge is applied to every GP visit. A trip to A&E will cost you a 20€ fee. When the last one was implemented, you saw A&E visits take a serious nosedive because it put people off from abusing the system.
Ahh..all those but "
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"Not using the STI example here. I've worked in the NHS in Scotland, Wales and England. There was an unmistakable difference in the size of medical prescriptions (some as long as my arm) between patients from England and those from Wales and Scotland, particularly the latter. It wouldn't be uncommon for patients to have overlapping medication to treat the same problem when only one medicine was required.
From my perspective, when something is free, it's rarely given is due worth and taken for granted, which can give rise to abuse of the system and increased costs. A symbolic fee should be charged for medications for all but the lowest income earners and most importantly, the government needs to renegotiate the prices that pharmaceutical companies charge for a lot of drugs that are way too overpriced.
That sounds sensible to me. The only thing is for me those on the lowest of income don't have a nominal fee.
I said that in the post
As an example, in Portugal, where the NHS is mostly "free" a 5€ charge is applied to every GP visit. A trip to A&E will cost you a 20€ fee. When the last one was implemented, you saw A&E visits take a serious nosedive because it put people off from abusing the system.
Ahh..all those but
I'm careful with wording"
Yes..I should be more careful reading |
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"Hundreds of appointments are missed at my surgery every month because people cannot be arsed to turn up or book an appointment.. sickens me"
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The UK health service is a good model for effective medical care, where everyone can get the treatment that they deserve. Effective treatment of infections prevents more widespread infection rates, where some would not get the treatment. Keeping infection rates low is the gold standard for helping to eradicate potentially harmful conditions.
A healthy population is also really positive for the country. It reduces other costs, improves well-being overall, productivity and more. If you introduce barriers that reduce potential health, it's a regressive move. Other cultures have very high prevalence of conditions that are rare here, as they don't provide open effective health care systems.
The UK UK health services are something I'm proud of and largely free at the point of delivery is the right model. Nobody has a life that is risk free, with some of them potentially imposing health damage etc. It's an aspect of being human. |
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Jack rides a motorbike - he is well aware it carries a higher risk than driving but does it anyway, should he pay to have his broken leg fixed?
Jill rides a horse- she knows horse riding is one of the most risky sports - should she pay for her broken collar bone?
Mary eats too much sweet stuff and gets diabetes ...
Bob didn’t check properly where he put his ladder to wash the window...
We all do things we regret, take risks that we have got away with while others haven’t, make mistakes, get things wrong. The nhs is there to help everyone unconditionally and is entirely means tested, the more you earn the more you pay in tax (at least as long as you aren’t the kind of selfish twat who thinks they alone should enjoy the benefits of society but not contribute to it)
The whole reason humans have done so well is our ability to work in societies, none of us would survive long without the others around us. Setting your own personal limits on what is and isn’t acceptable is very short sighted and will soon bite you in the ass.
Leslie engages in risky sexual behaviour but she is also a brilliant surgeon. Saves lives every day, earns loads and pays lots of tax but John who skipped school, failed his exams and has a string of jobs he’s been sacked from thinks Leslie should pay extra for her meds. This is in no way a reflection on the OP but simply a way of pointing out that deciding who dies and who doesn’t deserve free treatment is awfully complex and totally subjective. Still, it’s nice to be able to feel more virtuous than someone else so ... dirty Leslie, shame on you, you hussy. |
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"It’s not free anyway. The NHS is funded by the tax paying public."
This ^^^
Why people think it's free is beyond me. Look at that huge chunk of tax being taken out of your wages... that's you paying. |
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"It’s not free anyway. The NHS is funded by the tax paying public.
This ^^^
Why people think it's free is beyond me. Look at that huge chunk of tax being taken out of your wages... that's you paying."
Yes so a lot of us pay twice. Like I said. Needs reviewing. |
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By *reya73Woman
over a year ago
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3 strikes .. first two STIs for free. Lesley needs a hug.
By the 3rd Lesley needs a good talking to about her actions and to pay.
A 4th.. well she's used all her options, she'll just have to go see the witch on the street |
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A health care system which is free at the point of delivery based on whether you deserve it or not according to some state monitored moral code (doubtless drawn up by portly, middle aged, white men with more than adequate private health insurance, a mistress or male lover and generous salary) is not in my opinion, the way to run the NHS. We would be asking medical professionals to make decisions about their patients according to whether they'd adhered to somebody else's idea of how they should behave.
What next? No pain relief during labour for women who have unplanned pregnancies. |
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I really should have worded the OP better.
Generally i’m glad we have the NHS its a very good system. As pointed out we do many things that have risk and consequence.
But in this instance:
I specifically meant if you are deliberately irresponsible with your sexual activity i.e. unprotected sex with people whos sexual health you know little or nothing about and you catch something should you pay for your own treatment?
If you catch something because you were cheated on not your fault, if you did the necessary to protect yourself and still catch something not your fault, as mentioned earlier ‘free’ sexual health screening and treatment is certainly better for everyone.
Ps Leslie could be a man or a woman |
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"I really should have worded the OP better.
Generally i’m glad we have the NHS its a very good system. As pointed out we do many things that have risk and consequence.
But in this instance:
I specifically meant if you are deliberately irresponsible with your sexual activity i.e. unprotected sex with people whos sexual health you know little or nothing about and you catch something should you pay for your own treatment?
If you catch something because you were cheated on not your fault, if you did the necessary to protect yourself and still catch something not your fault, as mentioned earlier ‘free’ sexual health screening and treatment is certainly better for everyone.
Ps Leslie could be a man or a woman "
ok, so its only people who are sexually irresponsible? Someone who deliberately refuses to vaccinate their children, should they pay for any medication required when one of their kids gets measles? |
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"I really should have worded the OP better.
Generally i’m glad we have the NHS its a very good system. As pointed out we do many things that have risk and consequence.
But in this instance:
I specifically meant if you are deliberately irresponsible with your sexual activity i.e. unprotected sex with people whos sexual health you know little or nothing about and you catch something should you pay for your own treatment?
If you catch something because you were cheated on not your fault, if you did the necessary to protect yourself and still catch something not your fault, as mentioned earlier ‘free’ sexual health screening and treatment is certainly better for everyone.
Ps Leslie could be a man or a woman "
People would just lie about how they caught it. They already do now when they don't have to pay. |
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ok, so its only people who are sexually irresponsible? Someone who deliberately refuses to vaccinate their children, should they pay for any medication required when one of their kids gets measles?"
Good question! Should they? What do you think? I’m curious to hear your opinion. |
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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago
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As has been said before the NHS Is either free at the point of delivery or its not. You can't have sex addicts paying for STI's or alcoholics paying for liver failure and everything thing else the state pays for.
I prefer the free at the point of delivery for everybody and if you're rich you can jump the queue by paying privately. |
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ok, so its only people who are sexually irresponsible? Someone who deliberately refuses to vaccinate their children, should they pay for any medication required when one of their kids gets measles?
Good question! Should they? What do you think? I’m curious to hear your opinion. "
No, they shouldn't.
We all make choices and decisions based on our personal beliefs and the things we like to do for pleasure, eg mountain climbing, rugby etc. I firmly believe that the NHS should be free at the point of delivery for everyone regardless of how stupid (in my or anybody else's opinion) they've been.
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"I believe all prescription slips should show the cost of the drugs prescribed. You would be shocked at the cost of some items
But would that not make someone who's life depends on that medication feel guilty or a burden.
And why should someone with an illness feel bad about the profiteering of drug companies, deals the NHS can or can't do, etc? "
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"A health care system which is free at the point of delivery based on whether you deserve it or not according to some state monitored moral code (doubtless drawn up by portly, middle aged, white men with more than adequate private health insurance, a mistress or male lover and generous salary) is not in my opinion, the way to run the NHS. We would be asking medical professionals to make decisions about their patients according to whether they'd adhered to somebody else's idea of how they should behave.
What next? No pain relief during labour for women who have unplanned pregnancies."
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