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Greece ,now Spain ,and Italy ...do you think the EURO can survive ?
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"This guy summed it up nicely http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0Md9jMOM5s "interesting , do you agree ? | |||
"I hope it doesn't I've got a drawer full of loose change in drachma and pesetas "Ha Ha .. weigh them in | |||
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"Hello Anytimeade, probably not, long term. I would much prefer if the E.U., in it's present form disappeared. The original Common Market concept made sense but once the polititions got hold of it, the scope increased to ridiculous level and it costs an absolute fortune for what returns? Alec" Funny how many people want the Euro and EU to fail. Guess they all like being slaves to the almighty US Dollar and by extension being at the mercy of the US economy and state.... | |||
"I hope it doesn't I've got a drawer full of loose change in drachma and pesetas "I've got Marks, Francs (French and Belgian) and Schillings, we could do a european tour | |||
"I hope it doesn't I've got a drawer full of loose change in drachma and pesetas
I've got Marks, Francs (French and Belgian) and Schillings, we could do a european tour"you're on i could buy my own choccy phalus then too ! | |||
"Hello Anytimeade, probably not, long term. I would much prefer if the E.U., in it's present form disappeared. The original Common Market concept made sense but once the polititions got hold of it, the scope increased to ridiculous level and it costs an absolute fortune for what returns? Alec" Hmm, yeah , the original idea (just my opinion) did seem like a fairly new way to go , but as you say the powers that be are using it to line their own pockets , and are frigtened of losing the cushy well over paid jobs they hold , some of the countries could not and should not have been allowed to have joined ,when they did , the currency is only really geared up for the major players , greece i'm afraid will never be able to survive , i'm just worried about the fall out from spain and Italy in the future .. | |||
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"Hello Anytimeade, probably not, long term. I would much prefer if the E.U., in it's present form disappeared. The original Common Market concept made sense but once the polititions got hold of it, the scope increased to ridiculous level and it costs an absolute fortune for what returns? Alec Funny how many people want the Euro and EU to fail. Guess they all like being slaves to the almighty US Dollar and by extension being at the mercy of the US economy and state...." to instead be at the whim of both economies. have you not noticed how our own economy is based largely on that of both the EU AND the US? both economies are faltering (although the US is picking up slightly, but the bad jobs news last week hit the FTSE which had a diverse effect on our economy still) and as such ours isnt doing too well either, hence why 'call me Dave' is out kissing oriental ass right now! the Euro was set up to fail from the start, as it wasnt thoguht through properly, there werent enough checks done on member states, and to believe you can have 1 currency with so many diverse economies, yet all be ruled by the same economic strategies, is basically, laughable. | |||
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"oh, and could i just say, finally!! Ade has made a thread worth joining lol" Lol, check out my Grand National fab sweep Stake , on Uk forum ..then , Nerrrrr,lol   | |||
" Not in it's current form no. The fallout should be interesting to say the least. Mainly on a social level." What Social Level ... | |||
"Hello Anytimeade, probably not, long term. I would much prefer if the E.U., in it's present form disappeared. The original Common Market concept made sense but once the polititions got hold of it, the scope increased to ridiculous level and it costs an absolute fortune for what returns? Alec Funny how many people want the Euro and EU to fail. Guess they all like being slaves to the almighty US Dollar and by extension being at the mercy of the US economy and state.... to instead be at the whim of both economies. have you not noticed how our own economy is based largely on that of both the EU AND the US? both economies are faltering (although the US is picking up slightly, but the bad jobs news last week hit the FTSE which had a diverse effect on our economy still) and as such ours isnt doing too well either, hence why 'call me Dave' is out kissing oriental ass right now! the Euro was set up to fail from the start, as it wasnt thoguht through properly, there werent enough checks done on member states, and to believe you can have 1 currency with so many diverse economies, yet all be ruled by the same economic strategies, is basically, laughable." Maybe if we had joined the EU right at the start we would now be driving it with Germany and France rather than being kicked around economically by the EU and US$. As for it failing because of the iffy economic state of member states (Greece...), how come the US$ has not failed because of the iffy economic status of its member states, California for 1 (and it is one of the major US states economical unlike Greece which can not be classed as a major EU state) Maybe we should start by asking why one of our major parties continually place their own party before the national good while wrapping themselves in the flag? I believe we should also question why our political leaders continually act against our self interest in order to curry favor with the USA in the name of "our special relationship" although historically in all our dealings the US, the US shaft us, our industry and economy. | |||
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"Slighty off topic Has anyone heard of the government document FCO 30/1048? Some nutjob served a letter on my brother(he's a copper) telling him he had to investigate every government from Heath onwards for treason. The letter goes on to tell him that failure to investigate would mean he was guilty of 'misprision of treason' himself. He believes The UK's entry into the EEC was illegal and treasonous and every treaty since illegal. My Bro read it once and threw it in the bin!" Not off topic at all - the EU attracts all sorts of nutjobs, and that doc, which is only a briefing paper, has become a fave of the window-licking tendency. | |||
"Maybe if we had joined the EU right at the start we would now be driving it with Germany and France rather than being kicked around economically by the EU and US$. As for it failing because of the iffy economic state of member states (Greece...), how come the US$ has not failed because of the iffy economic status of its member states, California for 1 (and it is one of the major US states economical unlike Greece which can not be classed as a major EU state) Maybe we should start by asking why one of our major parties continually place their own party before the national good while wrapping themselves in the flag? I believe we should also question why our political leaders continually act against our self interest in order to curry favor with the USA in the name of "our special relationship" although historically in all our dealings the US, the US shaft us, our industry and economy." ok, to make a comparison between 2 currencies of different ages, im almost certain there were sticky times right at the start of the dollar, but seings as its what, 200 years old? its more than stabalised. and europe have shafted us more than once, so dont believe we have any kind of decent relationship with them either (fisheries laws, agriculture and so on) and they are still trying it on to this day | |||
"oh, and could i just say, finally!! Ade has made a thread worth joining lol Lol, check out my Grand National fab sweep Stake , on Uk forum ..then , Nerrrrr,lol "i have, and i still stand by my statement lol | |||
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" ...do you think the EURO can survive ? "I have so far... | |||
"Maybe if we had joined the EU right at the start we would now be driving it with Germany and France rather than being kicked around economically by the EU and US$. As for it failing because of the iffy economic state of member states (Greece...), how come the US$ has not failed because of the iffy economic status of its member states, California for 1 (and it is one of the major US states economical unlike Greece which can not be classed as a major EU state) Maybe we should start by asking why one of our major parties continually place their own party before the national good while wrapping themselves in the flag? I believe we should also question why our political leaders continually act against our self interest in order to curry favor with the USA in the name of "our special relationship" although historically in all our dealings the US, the US shaft us, our industry and economy. ok, to make a comparison between 2 currencies of different ages, im almost certain there were sticky times right at the start of the dollar, but seings as its what, 200 years old? its more than stabalised. and europe have shafted us more than once, so dont believe we have any kind of decent relationship with them either (fisheries laws, agriculture and so on) and they are still trying it on to this day" I think you have missed the points I have made Lovedupstill. Firstly your argument that the US$ is stable because of its age ignores the number of US states that are bankrupt! However because of the size of the US economy compared to others they can destroy other smaller economies if threatened. The exceptions to this are the Chinese economy and if we united the EU. (Could the USA be so corrupt that they would use us to destroy the Euro while fucking us at the same time? No! Such an idea would be ridiculous, after all it would take a country that claims to be free while supporting dictators and destabilizing democratic governments to be that corrupt!) Unfortunately there is one major economy in the EU which would rather shaft itself rather than unite with its European partners (guess who that is)! The USA use us to destabilize the EU and Euro while at the same time undermining our economy and stealing our scientific breakthroughs, and what do we do? WE PUCKER UP! The real shame is that French President is correct when he says that the UK is a destabilizing influence in the EU and that Europe would be better off without us! Funny thing is De Gaul said the same about 65 years ago when he blocked our entrance to the common market 5 years after we refused to be one of the founder members. No doubt in 10 to 15 years we will join the Euro and then spend all our time complaining that it is not the way we want it! Fact is Europe has never shafted us, we have shafted ourselves and then looked for others to blame! | |||
"The problem will arise when ,they start flooding in over here for our hand outs , because they will not and dont have the money to pay out the welfare benifits that will be neede ... may i just give you an example of how generous we are , an illegal immigrant /refugee who as not paid a single penny into our country can claim £29,900 benifit allowances per year .. A british pensioner , who as paid in Tax and Nat/insurance all their lives £6000 penion benifits allowance per year , and now have to wait until much older for they can claim it ??? ....think we might just be in more trouble than ,call me Dave , is letting on ... "I reckon a lot of this is down to the open floodgates of New Labour. A lying smiley-faced welcome to all asylum seekers from Tony 'Unfair' Bliar and his cronies. I HATE New Labour for the all the damage they have inflicted on Great Britain. | |||
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"The UK is lucky to have the Pound to be able to decide to lower or increase interest rates or to devalue the £. Without that, we would be in the same boat as Greece, which will still be in the Euro long after Portugal and Italy have gone. "Really? Please explain to me how we are lucky, when the Euro was first floated I got 1.70 Euro to the pound, now I'm lucky to get 1.20 (thats a devaluation of 30% over 11 years). Thats the sort of luck I could do without! | |||
"The UK is lucky to have the Pound to be able to decide to lower or increase interest rates or to devalue the £. Without that, we would be in the same boat as Greece, which will still be in the Euro long after Portugal and Italy have gone.
Really? Please explain to me how we are lucky, when the Euro was first floated I got 1.70 Euro to the pound, now I'm lucky to get 1.20 (thats a devaluation of 30% over 11 years). Thats the sort of luck I could do without!"Not if you are trying to export stuff! You might just be out of a job if we hadn't price advantage over exports.  | |||
"The UK is lucky to have the Pound to be able to decide to lower or increase interest rates or to devalue the £. Without that, we would be in the same boat as Greece, which will still be in the Euro long after Portugal and Italy have gone.
Really? Please explain to me how we are lucky, when the Euro was first floated I got 1.70 Euro to the pound, now I'm lucky to get 1.20 (thats a devaluation of 30% over 11 years). Thats the sort of luck I could do without!
Not if you are trying to export stuff! You might just be out of a job if we hadn't price advantage over exports. "Really please explain how that works for me.... Being slightly simple, and knowing that we make virtually nothing we have to buy all the parts from abroad (Europe and the Euro zone mainly), then we assemble those parts and send them back to Europe where we sell them for less than it costs us to put them together... Sounds like a recipe for going bankrupt... Oh yes that sounds sort of like the UK manufacturing industry to me.... But then what do I know.... | |||
"just read this post - Can we get some things right here ? First of all the Euro is a technical construction pushed forward by Mitterand and Kohle [google for answers], for France to raise their standing in Europe for Germany to bury their massive debt situation for the merger of East and West Germany. It is incorrect to say that Germany is financial stable as most of the German states, cities, councils are "bankrupt", eg Dusseldorf has Euro 2.6 billion debts which are not included in the German debt.... The German and most of the Northern European financial health is based on export, whereas the the financial health of the USA is driven by the US citizen and their ability to buy goods. Am sorry but in England the media is one sided and pro Euro based, listen to the German programs or the French ones and you will find, that it is not so rosy as you make it out to be. The UK is lucky to have the Pound to be able to decide to lower or increase interest rates or to devalue the £. Without that, we would be in the same boat as Greece, which will still be in the Euro long after Portugal and Italy have gone. "I really have to differ with you on this as i do know and listen to the German News also speak to my Family.And as for as Europeans are concern't England is already a part of the USA  | |||
"The UK is lucky to have the Pound to be able to decide to lower or increase interest rates or to devalue the £. Without that, we would be in the same boat as Greece, which will still be in the Euro long after Portugal and Italy have gone.
Really? Please explain to me how we are lucky, when the Euro was first floated I got 1.70 Euro to the pound, now I'm lucky to get 1.20 (thats a devaluation of 30% over 11 years). Thats the sort of luck I could do without!
Not if you are trying to export stuff! You might just be out of a job if we hadn't price advantage over exports.
Really please explain how that works for me....
Being slightly simple, and knowing that we make virtually nothing we have to buy all the parts from abroad (Europe and the Euro zone mainly), then we assemble those parts and send them back to Europe where we sell them for less than it costs us to put them together...
Sounds like a recipe for going bankrupt...
Oh yes that sounds sort of like the UK manufacturing industry to me....
But then what do I know....
"Really you need it explaining? Maybe i should start with something simpler.. when you go for a crap take to sheets in your right hand... | |||
"The UK is lucky to have the Pound to be able to decide to lower or increase interest rates or to devalue the £. Without that, we would be in the same boat as Greece, which will still be in the Euro long after Portugal and Italy have gone.
Really? Please explain to me how we are lucky, when the Euro was first floated I got 1.70 Euro to the pound, now I'm lucky to get 1.20 (thats a devaluation of 30% over 11 years). Thats the sort of luck I could do without!
Not if you are trying to export stuff! You might just be out of a job if we hadn't price advantage over exports.
Really please explain how that works for me....
Being slightly simple, and knowing that we make virtually nothing we have to buy all the parts from abroad (Europe and the Euro zone mainly), then we assemble those parts and send them back to Europe where we sell them for less than it costs us to put them together...
Sounds like a recipe for going bankrupt...
Oh yes that sounds sort of like the UK manufacturing industry to me....
But then what do I know....
Really you need it explaining?
Maybe i should start with something simpler.. when you go for a crap take to sheets in your right hand..."WOOOOWWWAA , lets have a bit of soladarity here guys , time out , ,mebbies .... we are going to have to put up with alot more than this, when China buys up all the cheap euro bank stock ... we are going to all be working a 72 hour week for a bowl of rice to live on , so lets just not get sweet and sour about it just yet ,eh ...have a pint and shake hands ...Cheers ... | |||
"The UK is lucky to have the Pound to be able to decide to lower or increase interest rates or to devalue the £. Without that, we would be in the same boat as Greece, which will still be in the Euro long after Portugal and Italy have gone.
Really? Please explain to me how we are lucky, when the Euro was first floated I got 1.70 Euro to the pound, now I'm lucky to get 1.20 (thats a devaluation of 30% over 11 years). Thats the sort of luck I could do without!
Not if you are trying to export stuff! You might just be out of a job if we hadn't price advantage over exports.
Really please explain how that works for me....
Being slightly simple, and knowing that we make virtually nothing we have to buy all the parts from abroad (Europe and the Euro zone mainly), then we assemble those parts and send them back to Europe where we sell them for less than it costs us to put them together...
Sounds like a recipe for going bankrupt...
Oh yes that sounds sort of like the UK manufacturing industry to me....
But then what do I know....
Really you need it explaining?
Maybe i should start with something simpler.. when you go for a crap take to sheets in your right hand...
WOOOOWWWAA , lets have a bit of soladarity here guys , time out , ,mebbies .... we are going to have to put up with alot more than this, when China buys up all the cheap euro bank stock ... we are going to all be working a 72 hour week for a bowl of rice to live on , so lets just not get sweet and sour about it just yet ,eh ...have a pint and shake hands ...Cheers ... "You could have just put BUMP granddad | |||
"The UK is lucky to have the Pound to be able to decide to lower or increase interest rates or to devalue the £. Without that, we would be in the same boat as Greece, which will still be in the Euro long after Portugal and Italy have gone.
Really? Please explain to me how we are lucky, when the Euro was first floated I got 1.70 Euro to the pound, now I'm lucky to get 1.20 (thats a devaluation of 30% over 11 years). Thats the sort of luck I could do without!
Not if you are trying to export stuff! You might just be out of a job if we hadn't price advantage over exports.
Really please explain how that works for me....
Being slightly simple, and knowing that we make virtually nothing we have to buy all the parts from abroad (Europe and the Euro zone mainly), then we assemble those parts and send them back to Europe where we sell them for less than it costs us to put them together...
Sounds like a recipe for going bankrupt...
Oh yes that sounds sort of like the UK manufacturing industry to me....
But then what do I know....
Really you need it explaining?
Maybe i should start with something simpler.. when you go for a crap take to sheets in your right hand...
WOOOOWWWAA , lets have a bit of soladarity here guys , time out , ,mebbies .... we are going to have to put up with alot more than this, when China buys up all the cheap euro bank stock ... we are going to all be working a 72 hour week for a bowl of rice to live on , so lets just not get sweet and sour about it just yet ,eh ...have a pint and shake hands ...Cheers ...
You could have just put BUMP granddad "Bump ..? and less of the grandad , she aint had it yet ....  | |||
"The UK is lucky to have the Pound to be able to decide to lower or increase interest rates or to devalue the £. Without that, we would be in the same boat as Greece, which will still be in the Euro long after Portugal and Italy have gone.
Really? Please explain to me how we are lucky, when the Euro was first floated I got 1.70 Euro to the pound, now I'm lucky to get 1.20 (thats a devaluation of 30% over 11 years). Thats the sort of luck I could do without!
Not if you are trying to export stuff! You might just be out of a job if we hadn't price advantage over exports.
Really please explain how that works for me....
Being slightly simple, and knowing that we make virtually nothing we have to buy all the parts from abroad (Europe and the Euro zone mainly), then we assemble those parts and send them back to Europe where we sell them for less than it costs us to put them together...
Sounds like a recipe for going bankrupt...
Oh yes that sounds sort of like the UK manufacturing industry to me....
But then what do I know....
Really you need it explaining?
Maybe i should start with something simpler.. when you go for a crap take to sheets in your right hand...
WOOOOWWWAA , lets have a bit of soladarity here guys , time out , ,mebbies .... we are going to have to put up with alot more than this, when China buys up all the cheap euro bank stock ... we are going to all be working a 72 hour week for a bowl of rice to live on , so lets just not get sweet and sour about it just yet ,eh ...have a pint and shake hands ...Cheers ...
You could have just put BUMP granddad
Bump ..? and less of the grandad , she aint had it yet .... "I can teach you how to get a meet if you like grandad i have a 5 point tip list. | |||
"The UK is lucky to have the Pound to be able to decide to lower or increase interest rates or to devalue the £. Without that, we would be in the same boat as Greece, which will still be in the Euro long after Portugal and Italy have gone.
Really? Please explain to me how we are lucky, when the Euro was first floated I got 1.70 Euro to the pound, now I'm lucky to get 1.20 (thats a devaluation of 30% over 11 years). Thats the sort of luck I could do without!
Not if you are trying to export stuff! You might just be out of a job if we hadn't price advantage over exports.
Really please explain how that works for me....
Being slightly simple, and knowing that we make virtually nothing we have to buy all the parts from abroad (Europe and the Euro zone mainly), then we assemble those parts and send them back to Europe where we sell them for less than it costs us to put them together...
Sounds like a recipe for going bankrupt...
Oh yes that sounds sort of like the UK manufacturing industry to me....
But then what do I know....
Really you need it explaining?
Maybe i should start with something simpler.. when you go for a crap take to sheets in your right hand...
WOOOOWWWAA , lets have a bit of soladarity here guys , time out , ,mebbies .... we are going to have to put up with alot more than this, when China buys up all the cheap euro bank stock ... we are going to all be working a 72 hour week for a bowl of rice to live on , so lets just not get sweet and sour about it just yet ,eh ...have a pint and shake hands ...Cheers ...
You could have just put BUMP granddad
Bump ..? and less of the grandad , she aint had it yet ....
I can teach you how to get a meet if you like grandad i have a 5 point tip list. "LOL, ha ha , You'll learn ... The older the stag the harder the Horn .. you wanna be studs are to busy competing for the mirror with the ladies and gel in ya haIR TO KEEP THEM BUSY , THATS WHY THEY HAVE TO TURN TO ME , I'LL BE GLAD WHEN I RETIRE ... OOOPS , YA GOT ME ... | |||
"The UK is lucky to have the Pound to be able to decide to lower or increase interest rates or to devalue the £. Without that, we would be in the same boat as Greece, which will still be in the Euro long after Portugal and Italy have gone.
Really? Please explain to me how we are lucky, when the Euro was first floated I got 1.70 Euro to the pound, now I'm lucky to get 1.20 (thats a devaluation of 30% over 11 years). Thats the sort of luck I could do without!
Not if you are trying to export stuff! You might just be out of a job if we hadn't price advantage over exports.
Really please explain how that works for me....
Being slightly simple, and knowing that we make virtually nothing we have to buy all the parts from abroad (Europe and the Euro zone mainly), then we assemble those parts and send them back to Europe where we sell them for less than it costs us to put them together...
Sounds like a recipe for going bankrupt...
Oh yes that sounds sort of like the UK manufacturing industry to me....
But then what do I know....
Really you need it explaining?
Maybe i should start with something simpler.. when you go for a crap take to sheets in your right hand...
WOOOOWWWAA , lets have a bit of soladarity here guys , time out , ,mebbies .... we are going to have to put up with alot more than this, when China buys up all the cheap euro bank stock ... we are going to all be working a 72 hour week for a bowl of rice to live on , so lets just not get sweet and sour about it just yet ,eh ...have a pint and shake hands ...Cheers ...
You could have just put BUMP granddad
Bump ..? and less of the grandad , she aint had it yet ....
I can teach you how to get a meet if you like grandad i have a 5 point tip list.
LOL, ha ha , You'll learn ... The older the stag the harder the Horn .. you wanna be studs are to busy competing for the mirror with the ladies and gel in ya haIR TO KEEP THEM BUSY , THATS WHY THEY HAVE TO TURN TO ME , I'LL BE GLAD WHEN I RETIRE ... OOOPS , YA GOT ME ... "He he older ...the limper... he he you are catnapping and dreaming grandad bless put ya teeth in the pot before you swallow.  | |||
"The UK is lucky to have the Pound to be able to decide to lower or increase interest rates or to devalue the £. Without that, we would be in the same boat as Greece, which will still be in the Euro long after Portugal and Italy have gone.
Really? Please explain to me how we are lucky, when the Euro was first floated I got 1.70 Euro to the pound, now I'm lucky to get 1.20 (thats a devaluation of 30% over 11 years). Thats the sort of luck I could do without!
Not if you are trying to export stuff! You might just be out of a job if we hadn't price advantage over exports.
Really please explain how that works for me....
Being slightly simple, and knowing that we make virtually nothing we have to buy all the parts from abroad (Europe and the Euro zone mainly), then we assemble those parts and send them back to Europe where we sell them for less than it costs us to put them together...
Sounds like a recipe for going bankrupt...
Oh yes that sounds sort of like the UK manufacturing industry to me....
But then what do I know....
Really you need it explaining?
Maybe i should start with something simpler.. when you go for a crap take to sheets in your right hand...
WOOOOWWWAA , lets have a bit of soladarity here guys , time out , ,mebbies .... we are going to have to put up with alot more than this, when China buys up all the cheap euro bank stock ... we are going to all be working a 72 hour week for a bowl of rice to live on , so lets just not get sweet and sour about it just yet ,eh ...have a pint and shake hands ...Cheers ...
You could have just put BUMP granddad
Bump ..? and less of the grandad , she aint had it yet ....
I can teach you how to get a meet if you like grandad i have a 5 point tip list.
LOL, ha ha , You'll learn ... The older the stag the harder the Horn .. you wanna be studs are to busy competing for the mirror with the ladies and gel in ya haIR TO KEEP THEM BUSY , THATS WHY THEY HAVE TO TURN TO ME , I'LL BE GLAD WHEN I RETIRE ... OOOPS , YA GOT ME ...
He he older ...the limper... he he you are catnapping and dreaming grandad bless put ya teeth in the pot before you swallow. "Ha , they need a man that can ...not a boy who thinks he can ... chuckles ... | |||
"The UK is lucky to have the Pound to be able to decide to lower or increase interest rates or to devalue the £. Without that, we would be in the same boat as Greece, which will still be in the Euro long after Portugal and Italy have gone.
Really? Please explain to me how we are lucky, when the Euro was first floated I got 1.70 Euro to the pound, now I'm lucky to get 1.20 (thats a devaluation of 30% over 11 years). Thats the sort of luck I could do without!
Not if you are trying to export stuff! You might just be out of a job if we hadn't price advantage over exports.
Really please explain how that works for me....
Being slightly simple, and knowing that we make virtually nothing we have to buy all the parts from abroad (Europe and the Euro zone mainly), then we assemble those parts and send them back to Europe where we sell them for less than it costs us to put them together...
Sounds like a recipe for going bankrupt...
Oh yes that sounds sort of like the UK manufacturing industry to me....
But then what do I know....
Really you need it explaining?
Maybe i should start with something simpler.. when you go for a crap take to sheets in your right hand...
WOOOOWWWAA , lets have a bit of soladarity here guys , time out , ,mebbies .... we are going to have to put up with alot more than this, when China buys up all the cheap euro bank stock ... we are going to all be working a 72 hour week for a bowl of rice to live on , so lets just not get sweet and sour about it just yet ,eh ...have a pint and shake hands ...Cheers ...
You could have just put BUMP granddad
Bump ..? and less of the grandad , she aint had it yet ....
I can teach you how to get a meet if you like grandad i have a 5 point tip list.
LOL, ha ha , You'll learn ... The older the stag the harder the Horn .. you wanna be studs are to busy competing for the mirror with the ladies and gel in ya haIR TO KEEP THEM BUSY , THATS WHY THEY HAVE TO TURN TO ME , I'LL BE GLAD WHEN I RETIRE ... OOOPS , YA GOT ME ...
He he older ...the limper... he he you are catnapping and dreaming grandad bless put ya teeth in the pot before you swallow.
Ha , they need a man that can ...not a boy who thinks he can ... chuckles ... "Yeh thats why i get the meets grandad | |||
"The UK is lucky to have the Pound to be able to decide to lower or increase interest rates or to devalue the £. Without that, we would be in the same boat as Greece, which will still be in the Euro long after Portugal and Italy have gone.
Really? Please explain to me how we are lucky, when the Euro was first floated I got 1.70 Euro to the pound, now I'm lucky to get 1.20 (thats a devaluation of 30% over 11 years). Thats the sort of luck I could do without!
Not if you are trying to export stuff! You might just be out of a job if we hadn't price advantage over exports.
Really please explain how that works for me....
Being slightly simple, and knowing that we make virtually nothing we have to buy all the parts from abroad (Europe and the Euro zone mainly), then we assemble those parts and send them back to Europe where we sell them for less than it costs us to put them together...
Sounds like a recipe for going bankrupt...
Oh yes that sounds sort of like the UK manufacturing industry to me....
But then what do I know....
Really you need it explaining?
Maybe i should start with something simpler.. when you go for a crap take to sheets in your right hand...
WOOOOWWWAA , lets have a bit of soladarity here guys , time out , ,mebbies .... we are going to have to put up with alot more than this, when China buys up all the cheap euro bank stock ... we are going to all be working a 72 hour week for a bowl of rice to live on , so lets just not get sweet and sour about it just yet ,eh ...have a pint and shake hands ...Cheers ...
You could have just put BUMP granddad
Bump ..? and less of the grandad , she aint had it yet ....
I can teach you how to get a meet if you like grandad i have a 5 point tip list.
LOL, ha ha , You'll learn ... The older the stag the harder the Horn .. you wanna be studs are to busy competing for the mirror with the ladies and gel in ya haIR TO KEEP THEM BUSY , THATS WHY THEY HAVE TO TURN TO ME , I'LL BE GLAD WHEN I RETIRE ... OOOPS , YA GOT ME ...
He he older ...the limper... he he you are catnapping and dreaming grandad bless put ya teeth in the pot before you swallow.
Ha , they need a man that can ...not a boy who thinks he can ... chuckles ...
Yeh thats why i get the meets grandad "You keep telling ya daft sen that .. chuckles .. but anyroad UP now that i've divereted your anger into a more positive frame of mind , may we get back to the question ... | |||
"The UK is lucky to have the Pound to be able to decide to lower or increase interest rates or to devalue the £. Without that, we would be in the same boat as Greece, which will still be in the Euro long after Portugal and Italy have gone.
Really? Please explain to me how we are lucky, when the Euro was first floated I got 1.70 Euro to the pound, now I'm lucky to get 1.20 (thats a devaluation of 30% over 11 years). Thats the sort of luck I could do without!
Not if you are trying to export stuff! You might just be out of a job if we hadn't price advantage over exports.
Really please explain how that works for me....
Being slightly simple, and knowing that we make virtually nothing we have to buy all the parts from abroad (Europe and the Euro zone mainly), then we assemble those parts and send them back to Europe where we sell them for less than it costs us to put them together...
Sounds like a recipe for going bankrupt...
Oh yes that sounds sort of like the UK manufacturing industry to me....
But then what do I know....
Really you need it explaining?
Maybe i should start with something simpler.. when you go for a crap take to sheets in your right hand..."Ah! Isn't it so nice to see such incisive economic thinking I guess thats high power macro economics... And I need no one to teach me how to wipe my arse (sorry ass)! However I think you may need a lesson in how not to lick yank arses! Maybe instead of soaking up all the propaganda that is spewed out of the states you should open your eyes and look around you. Notice all those empty factories and ask yourself where all the jobs have gone? Then ask yourself who closed down those manufacturing businesses? Bet most of them were closed down by US business men who sent the jobs to China! Bet you will find it hard to find an EU business doing the same with EU jobs. You may also like to spend a little time thinking about this: As economies grow their currency becomes stronger, the inverse is also true. When you devalue a currency you SHRINK the economy. When you shrink an economy you loose jobs! This causes the economy to further decline! So as you are basking in our ability to dismantle our economy for short term political gain you might want to spend a second or two thinking about that. By the way I use my left hand to wipe my arse, I hope you wash your right hand throughly after you crap. | |||
"The UK is lucky to have the Pound to be able to decide to lower or increase interest rates or to devalue the £. Without that, we would be in the same boat as Greece, which will still be in the Euro long after Portugal and Italy have gone.
Really? Please explain to me how we are lucky, when the Euro was first floated I got 1.70 Euro to the pound, now I'm lucky to get 1.20 (thats a devaluation of 30% over 11 years). Thats the sort of luck I could do without!
Not if you are trying to export stuff! You might just be out of a job if we hadn't price advantage over exports.
Really please explain how that works for me....
Being slightly simple, and knowing that we make virtually nothing we have to buy all the parts from abroad (Europe and the Euro zone mainly), then we assemble those parts and send them back to Europe where we sell them for less than it costs us to put them together...
Sounds like a recipe for going bankrupt...
Oh yes that sounds sort of like the UK manufacturing industry to me....
But then what do I know....
Really you need it explaining?
Maybe i should start with something simpler.. when you go for a crap take to sheets in your right hand...
Ah! Isn't it so nice to see such incisive economic thinking
I guess thats high power macro economics...
And I need no one to teach me how to wipe my arse (sorry ass)!
However I think you may need a lesson in how not to lick yank arses!
Maybe instead of soaking up all the propaganda that is spewed out of the states you should open your eyes and look around you. Notice all those empty factories and ask yourself where all the jobs have gone? Then ask yourself who closed down those manufacturing businesses? Bet most of them were closed down by US business men who sent the jobs to China! Bet you will find it hard to find an EU business doing the same with EU jobs.
You may also like to spend a little time thinking about this:
As economies grow their currency becomes stronger, the inverse is also true. When you devalue a currency you SHRINK the economy.
When you shrink an economy you loose jobs! This causes the economy to further decline! So as you are basking in our ability to dismantle our economy for short term political gain you might want to spend a second or two thinking about that.
By the way I use my left hand to wipe my arse, I hope you wash your right hand throughly after you crap."Shit Happens ...lol,but can we please not make it personel | |||
"The UK is lucky to have the Pound to be able to decide to lower or increase interest rates or to devalue the £. Without that, we would be in the same boat as Greece, which will still be in the Euro long after Portugal and Italy have gone.
Really? Please explain to me how we are lucky, when the Euro was first floated I got 1.70 Euro to the pound, now I'm lucky to get 1.20 (thats a devaluation of 30% over 11 years). Thats the sort of luck I could do without!
Not if you are trying to export stuff! You might just be out of a job if we hadn't price advantage over exports.
Really please explain how that works for me....
Being slightly simple, and knowing that we make virtually nothing we have to buy all the parts from abroad (Europe and the Euro zone mainly), then we assemble those parts and send them back to Europe where we sell them for less than it costs us to put them together...
Sounds like a recipe for going bankrupt...
Oh yes that sounds sort of like the UK manufacturing industry to me....
But then what do I know....
Really you need it explaining?
Maybe i should start with something simpler.. when you go for a crap take to sheets in your right hand...
Ah! Isn't it so nice to see such incisive economic thinking
I guess thats high power macro economics...
And I need no one to teach me how to wipe my arse (sorry ass)!
However I think you may need a lesson in how not to lick yank arses!
Maybe instead of soaking up all the propaganda that is spewed out of the states you should open your eyes and look around you. Notice all those empty factories and ask yourself where all the jobs have gone? Then ask yourself who closed down those manufacturing businesses? Bet most of them were closed down by US business men who sent the jobs to China! Bet you will find it hard to find an EU business doing the same with EU jobs.
You may also like to spend a little time thinking about this:
As economies grow their currency becomes stronger, the inverse is also true. When you devalue a currency you SHRINK the economy.
When you shrink an economy you loose jobs! This causes the economy to further decline! So as you are basking in our ability to dismantle our economy for short term political gain you might want to spend a second or two thinking about that.
By the way I use my left hand to wipe my arse, I hope you wash your right hand throughly after you crap."Well economics wise I work for a company that has very much benefited in sterling dropping against the euro in to the thousands of new jobs. As for arses I use paper or toilet roll to wipe. How did i guess you needed not to use your hand. Its been a pleasure to educate you in how to wipe it properly. | |||
"Hello Anytimeade, probably not, long term. I would much prefer if the E.U., in it's present form disappeared. The original Common Market concept made sense but once the polititions got hold of it, the scope increased to ridiculous level and it costs an absolute fortune for what returns? Alec" Unfortunately, if you take the opinion that the common market was the best position, you were sold a pup. The EEC was always intended as a political as well as social union. The line about ever increasing social and political as well as economic union was in the founding Treaty of Rome, that's one of the reasons the Europeans seem to think that we are a bit weird, having joined the club and then got annoyed at the rules. The EURO can't survive as a currency union without political integration, simply because without everyone singing from the same hymn sheet, economies are bound to diverge. I don't think it's suprising that the average German feels a little put upon when being asked to bail out a foreign nation without being able to have any control over how the money will be spent. I am increasingly of the opinion, though, that while a Greek exit would be disastrous for the Union, it would be by far the best thing for the Greeks themselves. | |||
"Hello Anytimeade, probably not, long term. I would much prefer if the E.U., in it's present form disappeared. The original Common Market concept made sense but once the polititions got hold of it, the scope increased to ridiculous level and it costs an absolute fortune for what returns? Alec Unfortunately, if you take the opinion that the common market was the best position, you were sold a pup. The EEC was always intended as a political as well as social union. The line about ever increasing social and political as well as economic union was in the founding Treaty of Rome, that's one of the reasons the Europeans seem to think that we are a bit weird, having joined the club and then got annoyed at the rules. The EURO can't survive as a currency union without political integration, simply because without everyone singing from the same hymn sheet, economies are bound to diverge. I don't think it's suprising that the average German feels a little put upon when being asked to bail out a foreign nation without being able to have any control over how the money will be spent. I am increasingly of the opinion, though, that while a Greek exit would be disastrous for the Union, it would be by far the best thing for the Greeks themselves." Where you been Gorgeous George? Missed your no nonsense views dude. | |||
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" Just to add, Iceland and the Argies are doing OK, not setting the world alight but not too shabby all things considered." Sorry to disappoint you, but Iceland are fucked........They are back to a barter economy in many places, while Argentina had collectives and communes running many factories which the capitalists had shut down (which is no bad thing, see the earlier post on a different thread re my political affiliations).... Besides, Argentina and Iceland were very different problems....The Icelanders ran into problems because (much like we did) they had commercial banks which had balance sheets 4-5 times the national GDP where the assets were not secure enough... Argentina's crisis came from the Pesso being pegged to the US$. When the Banks changed all of the loans in the economy to $ loans, the finances had to be found to pay loans in US$ when it's value over the Pesso skyrocketed which bankrupted the economy. They Both Defaulted, but for very different reasons and with very different ad ups to those defaults...... Neither had particularly large Government Defecits, Unlike Greece and Italy. Ireland and Spain's problems came from a burst housing/property bubble, again a different cause for recession. My PC went kapuut m8, only just got a new one....... | |||
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"The problem will arise when ,they start flooding in over here for our hand outs , because they will not and dont have the money to pay out the welfare benifits that will be neede ... may i just give you an example of how generous we are , an illegal immigrant /refugee who as not paid a single penny into our country can claim £29,900 benifit allowances per year .. A british pensioner , who as paid in Tax and Nat/insurance all their lives £6000 penion benifits allowance per year , and now have to wait until much older for they can claim it ??? ....think we might just be in more trouble than ,call me Dave , is letting on ... "Why do you bother writing this rubbish? Pension minimum income guarantee for a single pensioner is £6500, plus whatever they need in housing benefit and council tax benefit - typically where I live that adds up to another £3000 - £4000 although it's going to get tougher as Call Me Dave begins his campaign to evict pensioners from the council houses they brought their kids up in. Your figure of £29000 for 'an illegal immigrant / refugee' is what we like, in the facts based opinions business like to call MUB - that's short for Made Up Bollocks. Illegal immigrants are not the same as refugees. Most illegals have no contact at all wit the benefits system - because they're illegal. Refugees get means tested benefits only once they have been granted ILR or ELR - a single asylum seeker on arrival is likely to be place din directed housing and given as little as £5 a day to live on. | |||
"The problem will arise when ,they start flooding in over here for our hand outs , because they will not and dont have the money to pay out the welfare benifits that will be neede ... may i just give you an example of how generous we are , an illegal immigrant /refugee who as not paid a single penny into our country can claim £29,900 benifit allowances per year .. A british pensioner , who as paid in Tax and Nat/insurance all their lives £6000 penion benifits allowance per year , and now have to wait until much older for they can claim it ??? ....think we might just be in more trouble than ,call me Dave , is letting on ...
Why do you bother writing this rubbish?
Pension minimum income guarantee for a single pensioner is £6500, plus whatever they need in housing benefit and council tax benefit - typically where I live that adds up to another £3000 - £4000 although it's going to get tougher as Call Me Dave begins his campaign to evict pensioners from the council houses they brought their kids up in.
Your figure of £29000 for 'an illegal immigrant / refugee' is what we like, in the facts based opinions business like to call MUB - that's short for Made Up Bollocks.
Illegal immigrants are not the same as refugees. Most illegals have no contact at all wit the benefits system - because they're illegal. Refugees get means tested benefits only once they have been granted ILR or ELR - a single asylum seeker on arrival is likely to be place din directed housing and given as little as £5 a day to live on.
"LOL, ok ,lets wait and see shall we , buy gold M8 ...... | |||
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" Angela Merkel arrives at Passport Control in Athens. "Nationality?" asks the immigration officer. "German" she replies. "Occupation?" "No, just here for a few days"....." | |||
" Angela Merkel arrives at Passport Control in Athens. "Nationality?" asks the immigration officer. "German" she replies. "Occupation?" "No, just here for a few days"....."
lovin it tra.
can i ask a question,
is it still gordon browns fault. | |||
" Angela Merkel arrives at Passport Control in Athens. "Nationality?" asks the immigration officer. "German" she replies. "Occupation?" "No, just here for a few days".....
lovin it tra.
can i ask a question,
is it still gordon browns fault. "Dunno? Who said it was?? | |||
" Angela Merkel arrives at Passport Control in Athens. "Nationality?" asks the immigration officer. "German" she replies. "Occupation?" "No, just here for a few days".....
lovin it tra.
can i ask a question,
is it still gordon browns fault.
Dunno? Who said it was??"No, it was never Gordon Brown's fault | |||
" Angela Merkel arrives at Passport Control in Athens. "Nationality?" asks the immigration officer. "German" she replies. "Occupation?" "No, just here for a few days".....
lovin it tra.
can i ask a question,
is it still gordon browns fault.
Dunno? Who said it was??
No, it was never Gordon Brown's fault"hmmmmmm as i suspected.  | |||
" Angela Merkel arrives at Passport Control in Athens. "Nationality?" asks the immigration officer. "German" she replies. "Occupation?" "No, just here for a few days".....
lovin it tra.
can i ask a question,
is it still gordon browns fault.
Dunno? Who said it was??
No, it was never Gordon Brown's fault
hmmmmmm as i suspected.
"Questions require a question mark........ | |||
" Angela Merkel arrives at Passport Control in Athens. "Nationality?" asks the immigration officer. "German" she replies. "Occupation?" "No, just here for a few days".....
lovin it tra.
can i ask a question,
is it still gordon browns fault. "Yes it fucking is.....! I absolutely hate the robbing, lying, tax raising, 3 budget-per-year imposing, greasy haired, baggy eyed ugly cheating cunt. The last Labour government raised the overall tax burden by 150% in only 13 years in office. And where are the improvements that were promised? We didn't get any... | |||
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" Angela Merkel arrives at Passport Control in Athens. "Nationality?" asks the immigration officer. "German" she replies. "Occupation?" "No, just here for a few days".....
lovin it tra.
can i ask a question,
is it still gordon browns fault.
Yes it fucking is.....! I absolutely hate the robbing, lying, tax raising, 3 budget-per-year imposing, greasy haired, baggy eyed ugly cheating cunt. The last Labour government raised the overall tax burden by 150% in only 13 years in office. And where are the improvements that were promised? We didn't get any..."so is that a maybe lol. i didn't think his power extended to, greece,spain,and italy. ps having a selective memory,is so convenient,isn't it.  | |||
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"Germany and France will fight to the death so they can carry on exerting their influence on the lesser European nations. In a sense I see the EU as a modern form of colonialism. Countries wanting to join the EU HAVE to join the Euro even though they know it's bad. This essentially means you are giving up control of your economy and hoping the other benefits outweigh this HUGE negative. If Germany needs the interest rate of the Euro to go down but Greece needs it to go up, who do you think gets their way to the detriment of the other. The whole idea of the Euro is unworkable. I have had a paper published in a journal on this matter but I can't find a free link. " | |||
" Angela Merkel arrives at Passport Control in Athens. "Nationality?" asks the immigration officer. "German" she replies. "Occupation?" "No, just here for a few days".....
lovin it tra.
can i ask a question,
is it still gordon browns fault.
Yes it fucking is.....! I absolutely hate the robbing, lying, tax raising, 3 budget-per-year imposing, greasy haired, baggy eyed ugly cheating cunt. The last Labour government raised the overall tax burden by 150% in only 13 years in office. And where are the improvements that were promised? We didn't get any...
so is that a maybe lol.
i didn't think his power extended to,
greece,spain,and italy.
ps having a selective memory,is so convenient,isn't it. "Yes, if you say so | |||
" Angela Merkel arrives at Passport Control in Athens. "Nationality?" asks the immigration officer. "German" she replies. "Occupation?" "No, just here for a few days".....
lovin it tra.
can i ask a question,
is it still gordon browns fault. "why not, labourites are still saying things are thatchers fault, and she has 20 years on brown lol | |||
" Angela Merkel arrives at Passport Control in Athens. "Nationality?" asks the immigration officer. "German" she replies. "Occupation?" "No, just here for a few days".....
lovin it tra.
can i ask a question,
is it still gordon browns fault.
why not, labourites are still saying things are thatchers fault, and she has 20 years on brown lol"The economic crisis resulted from the excesses of the banking system. Agreed, if there were a little more regulation those excesses would have been limited, but they would still have happened. Thatcher deregulated the banks, put the general housing stock into the hands of the public (who borrow huge amounts to get onto the ladder, adding to the national debt) and removed most of the regulations on the stock and debt markets which made possible the excesses. She also flattened British industry with her monetarist policy, pronouncing that our economy would become a service on, relying on the banks and financial services (you know, the same businesses which we have had to bail out loading the government with the debts we are al worried about now) so yes, on balance, I would say Thatcher had a lot more to do with the problems w have now than Brown did...... | |||
" Angela Merkel arrives at Passport Control in Athens. "Nationality?" asks the immigration officer. "German" she replies. "Occupation?" "No, just here for a few days".....
lovin it tra.
can i ask a question,
is it still gordon browns fault.
why not, labourites are still saying things are thatchers fault, and she has 20 years on brown lol
The economic crisis resulted from the excesses of the banking system. Agreed, if there were a little more regulation those excesses would have been limited, but they would still have happened.
Thatcher deregulated the banks, put the general housing stock into the hands of the public (who borrow huge amounts to get onto the ladder, adding to the national debt) and removed most of the regulations on the stock and debt markets which made possible the excesses.
She also flattened British industry with her monetarist policy, pronouncing that our economy would become a service on, relying on the banks and financial services (you know, the same businesses which we have had to bail out loading the government with the debts we are al worried about now) so yes, on balance, I would say Thatcher had a lot more to do with the problems w have now than Brown did......"
the selective memory brigade,may have forgotten that bit oops. | |||
" Angela Merkel arrives at Passport Control in Athens. "Nationality?" asks the immigration officer. "German" she replies. "Occupation?" "No, just here for a few days".....
lovin it tra.
can i ask a question,
is it still gordon browns fault.
why not, labourites are still saying things are thatchers fault, and she has 20 years on brown lol
The economic crisis resulted from the excesses of the banking system. Agreed, if there were a little more regulation those excesses would have been limited, but they would still have happened.
Thatcher deregulated the banks, put the general housing stock into the hands of the public (who borrow huge amounts to get onto the ladder, adding to the national debt) and removed most of the regulations on the stock and debt markets which made possible the excesses.
She also flattened British industry with her monetarist policy, pronouncing that our economy would become a service on, relying on the banks and financial services (you know, the same businesses which we have had to bail out loading the government with the debts we are al worried about now) so yes, on balance, I would say Thatcher had a lot more to do with the problems w have now than Brown did......"and yet successive governments have done NOTHING to fix the horror she started. really, your party of the people were in charge for 12 of the how many years since she was in power, surely this is long enough to fix the problems, and not spend the growing economy they inherited. not selective memory at all, i was too young to fully understand the terrible conditions she oversaw, but have lived through the spend spend spend policies of the last labliar government | |||
" Angela Merkel arrives at Passport Control in Athens. "Nationality?" asks the immigration officer. "German" she replies. "Occupation?" "No, just here for a few days".....
lovin it tra.
can i ask a question,
is it still gordon browns fault.
why not, labourites are still saying things are thatchers fault, and she has 20 years on brown lol
The economic crisis resulted from the excesses of the banking system. Agreed, if there were a little more regulation those excesses would have been limited, but they would still have happened.
Thatcher deregulated the banks, put the general housing stock into the hands of the public (who borrow huge amounts to get onto the ladder, adding to the national debt) and removed most of the regulations on the stock and debt markets which made possible the excesses.
She also flattened British industry with her monetarist policy, pronouncing that our economy would become a service on, relying on the banks and financial services (you know, the same businesses which we have had to bail out loading the government with the debts we are al worried about now) so yes, on balance, I would say Thatcher had a lot more to do with the problems w have now than Brown did......
the selective memory brigade,may have forgotten that bit oops. "EXCEPT for the fact that official statistics show that Nu Labour destroyed far more of the UK's manufacturing base than Thatcher ever did. And that Gordon Brown was in fact Nu Labours chancellor from 97 to 2007 whereupon he took the role of PM even though entirely unsuited. To keep relying on the financial pinch of 2008 to excuse Labour/Brown being responsible is ridiculous. Browns policies, and the effects thereon, were well in place by 2008. And all from a man, read twat, who stated there will be no boom and bust on my shift. | |||
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" And a nice little spanner thrown in the works by the Dutch government too. Surely that's gotta help "what did i miss from the dutch? | |||
" And a nice little spanner thrown in the works by the Dutch government too. Surely that's gotta help
what did i miss from the dutch?"In brief, the minority government have resigned, as some of the opposition refuse to comply with the EU rules and reduce the Government DEFICIT to the required 3%. | |||
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" Angela Merkel arrives at Passport Control in Athens. "Nationality?" asks the immigration officer. "German" she replies. "Occupation?" "No, just here for a few days".....
lovin it tra.
can i ask a question,
is it still gordon browns fault.
why not, labourites are still saying things are thatchers fault, and she has 20 years on brown lol
The economic crisis resulted from the excesses of the banking system. Agreed, if there were a little more regulation those excesses would have been limited, but they would still have happened.
Thatcher deregulated the banks, put the general housing stock into the hands of the public (who borrow huge amounts to get onto the ladder, adding to the national debt) and removed most of the regulations on the stock and debt markets which made possible the excesses.
She also flattened British industry with her monetarist policy, pronouncing that our economy would become a service on, relying on the banks and financial services (you know, the same businesses which we have had to bail out loading the government with the debts we are al worried about now) so yes, on balance, I would say Thatcher had a lot more to do with the problems w have now than Brown did......
the selective memory brigade,may have forgotten that bit oops.
EXCEPT for the fact that official statistics show that Nu Labour destroyed far more of the UK's manufacturing base than Thatcher ever did.
And that Gordon Brown was in fact Nu Labours chancellor from 97 to 2007 whereupon he took the role of PM even though entirely unsuited.
To keep relying on the financial pinch of 2008 to excuse Labour/Brown being responsible is ridiculous. Browns policies, and the effects thereon, were well in place by 2008.
And all from a man, read twat, who stated there will be no boom and bust on my shift.
"my my mushy,you seem to be having a wee bout of that selective memory syndrome,let me help you with that. britain was not the only country,during that period,where manufacturing suffered. in fact every country in western europe was effected,due to the influx of former communist countries into the european union.offering cheaper manufacturing costs,whilst being subsidised by the west.making them pretty irresistible as a manufacturing base. then there's china,in the same period,the west decided,financial gain,was more important than human rights.as such massive swathes of manufacturing,was relocated to china. i'm hoping this helps you get over that wee bout of selective memory syndrome,you seem to be suffering. ps i agree gordon brown was a twat,but he wasnt to blame for everything. | |||
" Angela Merkel arrives at Passport Control in Athens. "Nationality?" asks the immigration officer. "German" she replies. "Occupation?" "No, just here for a few days".....
lovin it tra.
can i ask a question,
is it still gordon browns fault.
why not, labourites are still saying things are thatchers fault, and she has 20 years on brown lol
The economic crisis resulted from the excesses of the banking system. Agreed, if there were a little more regulation those excesses would have been limited, but they would still have happened.
Thatcher deregulated the banks, put the general housing stock into the hands of the public (who borrow huge amounts to get onto the ladder, adding to the national debt) and removed most of the regulations on the stock and debt markets which made possible the excesses.
She also flattened British industry with her monetarist policy, pronouncing that our economy would become a service on, relying on the banks and financial services (you know, the same businesses which we have had to bail out loading the government with the debts we are al worried about now) so yes, on balance, I would say Thatcher had a lot more to do with the problems w have now than Brown did......
the selective memory brigade,may have forgotten that bit oops.
EXCEPT for the fact that official statistics show that Nu Labour destroyed far more of the UK's manufacturing base than Thatcher ever did.
And that Gordon Brown was in fact Nu Labours chancellor from 97 to 2007 whereupon he took the role of PM even though entirely unsuited.
To keep relying on the financial pinch of 2008 to excuse Labour/Brown being responsible is ridiculous. Browns policies, and the effects thereon, were well in place by 2008.
And all from a man, read twat, who stated there will be no boom and bust on my shift.
my my mushy,you seem to be having a wee bout of that selective memory syndrome,let me help you with that.
britain was not the only country,during that period,where manufacturing suffered.
in fact every country in western europe was effected,due to the influx of former communist countries into the european union.offering cheaper manufacturing costs,whilst being subsidised by the west.making them pretty irresistible as a manufacturing base.
then there's china,in the same period,the west decided,financial gain,was more important than human rights.as such massive swathes of manufacturing,was relocated to china.
i'm hoping this helps you get over that wee bout of selective memory syndrome,you seem to be suffering.
ps i agree gordon brown was a twat,but he wasnt to blame for everything.
"Yeah , But he did sell our Gold reserves ,just before the Gild price doubled ... not bad going for someone who was supposed to have is eye on world trade ??, how ever i still blame the wankers ,oopsss i mean Bankers ... | |||
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"Morning peeps , now lets try not to get uptight , after all we all have our own opinions , if anyone wants to take this oppotunity to to have a snap at me , well bring it on , or lets just answer the following QUESTION , thanks in advance .. Fabbers
Greece ,now Spain ,and Italy ...do you think the EURO can survive ?
"why are we bailing these countries out when we cant afford to ?? when even people in our own country who are in employment are relying on charity food parcels to feed there kids. We should get out of europe always seems to be us forking out the lions share same as in war torn areas majority of troops on frontlines are british ...when are our politicians gonna stand up and say enough is enough ...in these times charity unfortunatley has to start at home ie a government that puts the needs of its own people first rather than some other governments. afterthought why are we providing aide millions in money to countries such as pakistan and india they cant be that skint if they can afford to have nuclear capability? | |||
"Morning peeps , now lets try not to get uptight , after all we all have our own opinions , if anyone wants to take this oppotunity to to have a snap at me , well bring it on , or lets just answer the following QUESTION , thanks in advance .. Fabbers
Greece ,now Spain ,and Italy ...do you think the EURO can survive ?
why are we bailing these countries out when we cant afford to ?? when even people in our own country who are in employment are relying on charity food parcels to feed there kids. We should get out of europe always seems to be us forking out the lions share same as in war torn areas majority of troops on frontlines are british ...when are our politicians gonna stand up and say enough is enough ...in these times charity unfortunatley has to start at home ie a government that puts the needs of its own people first rather than some other governments. afterthought why are we providing aide millions in money to countries such as pakistan and india they cant be that skint if they can afford to have nuclear capability? " | |||
"I hope it doesn't I've got a drawer full of loose change in drachma and pesetas
I've got Marks, Francs (French and Belgian) and Schillings, we could do a european tour"Marc n Franc want theirs back and Mrs Schilling also said can you give her hat back please? | |||
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"WELL ? "Very well thankyou...
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Very well thankyou...
Some people luv the Euro... "Good Man ..pounds now worth 1.265 Euro .. keep up the good work.. | |||
"WELL ?
Very well thankyou...
Some people luv the Euro...
Good Man ..pounds now worth 1.265 Euro .. keep up the good work.. "I'll keep it up as long as I can... | |||
"Morning peeps , now lets try not to get uptight , after all we all have our own opinions , if anyone wants to take this oppotunity to to have a snap at me , well bring it on , or lets just answer the following QUESTION , thanks in advance .. Fabbers
Greece ,now Spain ,and Italy ...do you think the EURO can survive ?
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"Slighty off topic Has anyone heard of the government document FCO 30/1048? Some nutjob served a letter on my brother(he's a copper) telling him he had to investigate every government from Heath onwards for treason. The letter goes on to tell him that failure to investigate would mean he was guilty of 'misprision of treason' himself. He believes The UK's entry into the EEC was illegal and treasonous and every treaty since illegal. My Bro read it once and threw it in the bin!" This classified government document dated April 1971 remained secret until it was released under the 30 year rule. It proves Heath's government knew the 1972 EEC Treaty would lead to the loss of sovereignty, and was therefore treason. They had a stunningly accurate picture of the EU, which never was the EEC (an Economic Community), expecting Britain to be abolished after the turn of the century. The authors, all civil servants or ministers, are very pro EU, their intent is clearly to conceal the loss of sovereignty. But they understood perfectly it would all be abolished. In public Heath's government all lied the treaty would not affect our sovereignty. This includes Douglas Hurd, still an active senior Conservative, who is also both a liar and a traitor, a point we put to him at the Conservative Conference in Blackpool. He assured us his connections in the legal profession would ensure he was never convicted. | |||
"Slighty off topic Has anyone heard of the government document FCO 30/1048? Some nutjob served a letter on my brother(he's a copper) telling him he had to investigate every government from Heath onwards for treason. The letter goes on to tell him that failure to investigate would mean he was guilty of 'misprision of treason' himself. He believes The UK's entry into the EEC was illegal and treasonous and every treaty since illegal. My Bro read it once and threw it in the bin! This classified government document dated April 1971 remained secret until it was released under the 30 year rule. It proves Heath's government knew the 1972 EEC Treaty would lead to the loss of sovereignty, and was therefore treason. They had a stunningly accurate picture of the EU, which never was the EEC (an Economic Community), expecting Britain to be abolished after the turn of the century. The authors, all civil servants or ministers, are very pro EU, their intent is clearly to conceal the loss of sovereignty. But they understood perfectly it would all be abolished. In public Heath's government all lied the treaty would not affect our sovereignty. This includes Douglas Hurd, still an active senior Conservative, who is also both a liar and a traitor, a point we put to him at the Conservative Conference in Blackpool. He assured us his connections in the legal profession would ensure he was never convicted. " link: http://www.eutruth.org.uk/fco30.html | |||
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"Wasn't it Eire who voted against the Euro, and then they were forced to keep voting till they got the right answer? Democracy is dead - long live democracy! "That diabolical fiasco really pissed me off. It should be enshrined in law that once a referendum on a subject has been held it can't be held again for a period of, say, five years, or until a new parliament is formed. | |||
"Morning peeps , now lets try not to get uptight , after all we all have our own opinions , if anyone wants to take this oppotunity to to have a snap at me , well bring it on , or lets just answer the following QUESTION , thanks in advance .. Fabbers
Greece ,now Spain ,and Italy ...do you think the EURO can survive ?
"in my opinion no,,in todays star in ireland,,they are asking that same question and giving reasons why ireland shouldnt leave the euro currency and go back to the irish punt,,pretty good read. the euro cant survive the way it is,for one fact,,it was meant to be eurozone,the way it was put to the irish people was oner price across europe,and that never happened | |||
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"Slighty off topic Has anyone heard of the government document FCO 30/1048? Some nutjob served a letter on my brother(he's a copper) telling him he had to investigate every government from Heath onwards for treason. The letter goes on to tell him that failure to investigate would mean he was guilty of 'misprision of treason' himself. He believes The UK's entry into the EEC was illegal and treasonous and every treaty since illegal. My Bro read it once and threw it in the bin! This classified government document dated April 1971 remained secret until it was released under the 30 year rule. It proves Heath's government knew the 1972 EEC Treaty would lead to the loss of sovereignty, and was therefore treason. They had a stunningly accurate picture of the EU, which never was the EEC (an Economic Community), expecting Britain to be abolished after the turn of the century. The authors, all civil servants or ministers, are very pro EU, their intent is clearly to conceal the loss of sovereignty. But they understood perfectly it would all be abolished. In public Heath's government all lied the treaty would not affect our sovereignty. This includes Douglas Hurd, still an active senior Conservative, who is also both a liar and a traitor, a point we put to him at the Conservative Conference in Blackpool. He assured us his connections in the legal profession would ensure he was never convicted. link: http://www.eutruth.org.uk/fco30.html" Whatever happened to the rule on here about not allowing links to loony websites written by paraoid conspiracy theorist fuckwits? | |||
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"thank that was abolished along with the rule of allowing conspiracy believing fools to actually post in the forums lol" LOL, Clowns to the Left of me , Jokers to the right .. The Forums 'court Jesters' are what keeps Forums from being boring | |||
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"i believe if the euro collapses or a country pulls out that has had a bail out Germany will seize what assets it can so it will get some money back. the German Chancellor has indicated that they will recover monies by all means necessary and a meeting of euro leaders last year and at the begining of this. what they mean by 'all means necessary' is unclear. but what is clear is that Germany will and has invaded nations before. history repeating maybe.?" They wouldn't dare. Germany knows full well that if it responsible for plunging Europe into three major wars in the space of 100 years it'll be dismantled completely when they are defeated. Again. | |||
