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Should we try Abu Hamza in the UK or hand him over to the Americans?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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The guy committed crimes while in the UK and now the Americans want to take over and take him over there for prosecution. Should we hand him over as requested or should we put him to trial here? |
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"The guy committed crimes while in the UK and now the Americans want to take over and take him over there for prosecution. Should we hand him over as requested or should we put him to trial here?"
Send him to Yemen did crimes there |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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both try him ... the yanks can have him when he finishes his sentence here
this way he will probably be locked up til he dies.
unless the yanks promise execution, if they do .. put him on the next plane with all his supporters |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The law and system we use, has decided he can be sent to America.
Hope it will now speed up all other deportations against people who sole reason to come here, is to escape justice.
They should learn about being martyrs... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I say let America have him, but if they go for the death penalty which is likely, I doubt we will send him as it will be against his rights etc ! We the uk have not exredited people in the past due to the grounds the face the death penalty in the country we are sending him ! Personally if he wants to incite murder against our troops etc, I'm happy to see him get his just deserts. In the best possible taste . An eye for an eye etc ! But on a plus note he did lose his eye and hand clearing mines in afghanistan ! An there is still plenty of mines to be cleared still . Could save our boys a job ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I say let America have him, but if they go for the death penalty which is likely, I doubt we will send him as it will be against his rights etc ! We the uk have not exredited people in the past due to the grounds the face the death penalty in the country we are sending him ! Personally if he wants to incite murder against our troops etc, I'm happy to see him get his just deserts. In the best possible taste . An eye for an eye etc ! But on a plus note he did lose his eye and hand clearing mines in afghanistan ! An there is still plenty of mines to be cleared still . Could save our boys a job !"
I'd make the one eyed, one handed twat go across the minefield on a pogo stick
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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get rid of him and his kind,i am all for human rights ,but they seem all geard to protect wrong doers like him ,i have herd he needs to be protected from the chance of torture and ill treatment,Did he through his evil preatchings save others from death maiming and ill treatment ,i dont think so ,I no that two wrongs dont make a right ,but anyone with a little compasion and sence can see this man ,should go,if he stays in this country he will get life, meaning 8 years ,while in will get every privlage including speacial food brought in ,when reliesed he will get monie council house no doubt kitted out and bennifits .He is laffing at the british euoripian justice system |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I say let America have him, but if they go for the death penalty which is likely, I doubt we will send him as it will be against his rights etc ! We the uk have not exredited people in the past due to the grounds the face the death penalty in the country we are sending him ! Personally if he wants to incite murder against our troops etc, I'm happy to see him get his just deserts. In the best possible taste . An eye for an eye etc ! But on a plus note he did lose his eye and hand clearing mines in afghanistan ! An there is still plenty of mines to be cleared still . Could save our boys a job !
I'd make the one eyed, one handed twat go across the minefield on a pogo stick
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What he said 
Failing that, put him and all his cohorts on the next Titanic below decks! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'd make the one eyed, one handed twat go across the minefield on a pogo stick
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That's actually quite funny and if it wasn't 30 years later it would have made a brilliant Monty Python sketch.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Weird, I've got a friend who once got busted for smoking a joint and he desperately wants to take his kids to Disneyland Orlando and the Americans won't let him in. They should make up their minds about their immigration laws. |
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"http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17657814
All done and dusted, he has gone through the whole legal system and he will get his ticket to the US"
Actually..... no.
At least, not yet, he has three months to lodge a final appeal. |
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"I say let America have him, but if they go for the death penalty which is likely, I doubt we will send him as it will be against his rights etc ! We the uk have not exredited people in the past due to the grounds the face the death penalty in the country we are sending him ! Personally if he wants to incite murder against our troops etc, I'm happy to see him get his just deserts. In the best possible taste . An eye for an eye etc ! But on a plus note he did lose his eye and hand clearing mines in afghanistan ! An there is still plenty of mines to be cleared still . Could save our boys a job !
I'd make the one eyed, one handed twat go across the minefield on a pogo stick
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"If he stays here he'll just be a burden on the tax payer. If he goes to USA he'll be toast.
Send the bastard there"
I was thinking that then I thought it was a bit much the Yanks thinking they could demand who they want. Something grates about how arrogant the yanks are.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If he stays here he'll just be a burden on the tax payer. If he goes to USA he'll be toast.
Send the bastard there
I was thinking that then I thought it was a bit much the Yanks thinking they could demand who they want. Something grates about how arrogant the yanks are. "
We can only hope the yanks will want to lock up our prime minister next |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Just a note on legality, however vile the criminal, we don't have the death penalty here and only extradite to anywhere including the US, that agree not to execute. Rightly in my view but think I'll be in the minority in that on here. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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isn't it strange that we are willing to send a person who sets up a site that directs people to where they can download films etc for free with no issues yet when we try to get rid of 6 wasters that preach hatred to any non believers the courts get all excited. The reason they are worried is that the yanks will lock them up in a cell and not their £3000 a month house paid for by taxpayers and treat them like the criminals they are. We are to lenient with them and as for free speach, lets all tell him to feck off somewhere else. Rant over |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If he stays here he'll just be a burden on the tax payer. If he goes to USA he'll be toast.
Send the bastard there
I was thinking that then I thought it was a bit much the Yanks thinking they could demand who they want. Something grates about how arrogant the yanks are. "
+1 If the yanks wanted Abu Qatada and Shrien Dewani they'd already be in Kansas wearing ankle chains |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"If he stays here he'll just be a burden on the tax payer. If he goes to USA he'll be toast.
Send the bastard there
I was thinking that then I thought it was a bit much the Yanks thinking they could demand who they want. Something grates about how arrogant the yanks are.
+1 If the yanks wanted Abu Qatada and Shrien Dewani they'd already be in Kansas wearing ankle chains"
It just doesn't seem right as the Yanks get us into all sorts of conflicts then demand him, him and her. Its worse than having an asshole big brother. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"isn't it strange that we are willing to send a person who sets up a site that directs people to where they can download films etc for free with no issues yet when we try to get rid of 6 wasters that preach hatred to any non believers the courts get all excited. The reason they are worried is that the yanks will lock them up in a cell and not their £3000 a month house paid for by taxpayers and treat them like the criminals they are. We are to lenient with them and as for free speach, lets all tell him to feck off somewhere else. Rant over"
Total agreement on the Richard O'Dwyer situation. He should be tried if at all in the UK and we should have told the yanks to spin on that one. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"isn't it strange that we are willing to send a person who sets up a site that directs people to where they can download films etc for free with no issues yet when we try to get rid of 6 wasters that preach hatred to any non believers the courts get all excited. The reason they are worried is that the yanks will lock them up in a cell and not their £3000 a month house paid for by taxpayers and treat them like the criminals they are. We are to lenient with them and as for free speach, lets all tell him to feck off somewhere else. Rant over
Total agreement on the Richard O'Dwyer situation. He should be tried if at all in the UK and we should have told the yanks to spin on that one. "
O'Dwyer broke the law yes, broke American law yes, but his servers were not located within American jurisdiction and he should have been tried in the UK. Will the Americans hand over Mark Zuckerberg to the German authorities for allowing the trolling of a German model to occur on Facebook that led to the poor wretch committing suicide? I doubt it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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He has to be tried here.this is where he commited the supposed crimes.
I disagree with how America think they are the worlds police force.we seem to bow to the cnuts,I don't think they would easily give up people we wanted on our soil.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This thing is a nasty vile piece of scum that has not only sucked this country dry with his various wives and children, but, has blantantly encouraged and spread hatred towards those that have fed him and his for years. I'm more than happy for the Americans to take over the headache and financial stress of his trial. I do wonder though, when he's found guilty, will he get the death penalty in the U.S.?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17657814
All done and dusted, he has gone through the whole legal system and he will get his ticket to the US
Actually..... no.
At least, not yet, he has three months to lodge a final appeal."
as per the article
There could still hypothetically be an appeal against the court's ruling in its final Grand Chamber - but in practice, very few cases are re-examined in that final forum.
Wonder if he will go first or business class...my money is on military class |
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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago
North of The Wall - youll need your vest |
"This thing is a nasty vile piece of scum that has not only sucked this country dry with his various wives and children, but, has blantantly encouraged and spread hatred towards those that have fed him and his for years. I'm more than happy for the Americans to take over the headache and financial stress of his trial. I do wonder though, when he's found guilty, will he get the death penalty in the U.S.? "
Dont they usually only agree extradition if there is a guarantee not to pursue the death penalty? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17657814
All done and dusted, he has gone through the whole legal system and he will get his ticket to the US
Actually..... no.
At least, not yet, he has three months to lodge a final appeal.
as per the article
There could still hypothetically be an appeal against the court's ruling in its final Grand Chamber - but in practice, very few cases are re-examined in that final forum.
Wonder if he will go first or business class...my money is on military class"
More money spent on expensive legal teams for a fucker who hates the British! Madness it is. |
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By *omnlynneCouple
over a year ago
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to the poster re friend cannot enter usa for been busted over having a joint.. he cannot apply for a visa waiver (esta) but would have to apply via us embassy for a visa with proof it was a minor drugs offence committed in youth that way they would consider entry other then that usa has a zero tolerance policy towards convictions for drug use.
re hazma and his kind the yanks have a nice 6 x 4 room where he can spend 23 hours a day reflecting on his hatred for the west for the rest of his natural life get him n his kind on a plane pronto. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Let him go to the States. If he gets tried and found gulity here, he'll get away with a 6 month rehabilitation order and 200hrs community service, whereas in the States he'll get 900years. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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He and the rest of them should be tried here in my opinion. They are British, they committed the offences here, it is believed by many that they remain a threat. If our laws are in such a mess that we cannot cope with our own headaches then we have a responsibility to sort those laws out.
One of these guys has been detained without charge for 7 years! Something seems very wrong about that.
Should we accept that British Justice cannot cope with certain cases? This needs to be addressed.
I believe in the rule of law. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Send him there.
When you consider the trouble and cost to the overburdened British taxpayer in keeping and protecting terrorists while in this country, it makes us realise how weak Britain really is. The European Human Rights Act, also known as the Criminals Charter, should not benefit terrorists or troublemakers who are not from an EU State. |
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Deport him to USA and then at least we don't have to continue paying for him. I'm sure the government won't let the yanks execute him which means they get an even bigger bill!
So we win all ways round. About time too.
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By (user no longer on site)
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I have no problem with the extraditon of Abu Hamza, he has served his time for crimes in the UK and is now to face sepperate charges for his activities in the USA no conflict there at all
But am concerned about the Babar Ahmad case. UK website alegedly raising funds for terrorist organisation/s. he has not been tried in the UK was only arrested on behalf of the USA that was 7 years ago... my bigest concern is if we let them jail him... do we then have to extradite and jail ALL the fundraisers in the USA who supported the IRA? prisons would burst with over capacity! |
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"I have no problem with the extraditon of Abu Hamza, he has served his time for crimes in the UK and is now to face sepperate charges for his activities in the USA no conflict there at all
But am concerned about the Babar Ahmad case. UK website alegedly raising funds for terrorist organisation/s. he has not been tried in the UK was only arrested on behalf of the USA that was 7 years ago... my bigest concern is if we let them jail him... do we then have to extradite and jail ALL the fundraisers in the USA who supported the IRA? prisons would burst with over capacity!"
Very Good Point |
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"I have no problem with the extraditon of Abu Hamza, he has served his time for crimes in the UK and is now to face sepperate charges for his activities in the USA no conflict there at all
But am concerned about the Babar Ahmad case. UK website alegedly raising funds for terrorist organisation/s. he has not been tried in the UK was only arrested on behalf of the USA that was 7 years ago... my bigest concern is if we let them jail him... do we then have to extradite and jail ALL the fundraisers in the USA who supported the IRA? prisons would burst with over capacity!"
It the difference between freedom fighter and terrorist, sometimes very difficult to tell the difference |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It the difference between freedom fighter and terrorist, sometimes very difficult to tell the difference"
How so? Both kill indiscriminately and then claim that in any conflict there will be unforeseen casualties.
To my mind, if someone has issues then take up a rifle and stand opposed where one's enemy can see you. Any other way of fighting a 'war' is cowardice. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It the difference between freedom fighter and terrorist, sometimes very difficult to tell the difference
How so? Both kill indiscriminately and then claim that in any conflict there will be unforeseen casualties.
To my mind, if someone has issues then take up a rifle and stand opposed where one's enemy can see you. Any other way of fighting a 'war' is cowardice."
So all the French freedom fighters were cowards, all the covert actions carried out by our special forces were cowards. When did you loose the intelligence you were born with? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have no problem with the extraditon of Abu Hamza, he has served his time for crimes in the UK and is now to face sepperate charges for his activities in the USA no conflict there at all
But am concerned about the Babar Ahmad case. UK website alegedly raising funds for terrorist organisation/s. he has not been tried in the UK was only arrested on behalf of the USA that was 7 years ago... my bigest concern is if we let them jail him... do we then have to extradite and jail ALL the fundraisers in the USA who supported the IRA? prisons would burst with over capacity!"
If you look at it face on you are right it would be interesting if the British government made counter claims for US citizens who supported the IRA. |
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"It the difference between freedom fighter and terrorist, sometimes very difficult to tell the difference
How so? Both kill indiscriminately and then claim that in any conflict there will be unforeseen casualties.
To my mind, if someone has issues then take up a rifle and stand opposed where one's enemy can see you. Any other way of fighting a 'war' is cowardice."
Who wrote history is written y the victors |
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"Let them have him and do it sooner than later. Waste of tax payers money. "
Couldnt agree more. He should have been sent packing years ago. He has sat here living on the back of the British taxpayer whilst encouraging the killing of inocent bystanders in the name of a peverted interpretation of Islam. Hope he gets all that he deserves. |
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Try him for what here?......I thought he was already tried and convicted here in 2005?...and although he was eligible for release in 2009 for those crimes he was held in continuing custody whilst awaiting extradition to the US, where they intend to question him regarding allegations that he planned terrorist training camps on US soil?
If that is so what would we want to try him on here if he has already served his sentence?
No....extradite him now we have the go ahead from the European Courts....the sooner the better. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Try him for what here?......I thought he was already tried and convicted here in 2005?...and although he was eligible for release in 2009 for those crimes he was held in continuing custody whilst awaiting extradition to the US, where they intend to question him regarding allegations that he planned terrorist training camps on US soil?
If that is so what would we want to try him on here if he has already served his sentence?
No....extradite him now we have the go ahead from the European Courts....the sooner the better."
Shame the European Courts have to get involved and a total waste of money! Get rid now I say. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Try him for what here?......I thought he was already tried and convicted here in 2005?...and although he was eligible for release in 2009 for those crimes he was held in continuing custody whilst awaiting extradition to the US, where they intend to question him regarding allegations that he planned terrorist training camps on US soil?
If that is so what would we want to try him on here if he has already served his sentence?
No....extradite him now we have the go ahead from the European Courts....the sooner the better."
I wasn't aware he had already been convicted and released in the UK to be honest I just had him down as some evil chap with badness on his mind. It does seem a bit much though the EU courts saying if we can deport or not though. |
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